--- Log opened Tue Jun 03 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Tue Jun 03 2003
00:00 < mnemoc> i didnt know about 8085
00:00 < rxr> Mike1: the box only has a few kB of memory !
00:01 < Mike1> rxr: that is enough :)
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00:02 < Mike1> rxr: also some kb of hd will be all i need..
00:02 < tsa> patch sent.
00:02 < Mike1> even though i could use other medias :)
00:02 < rxr> cu all
00:02 < rxr> n8
00:03 < Mike1> cu rxr
00:03 < tsa> cu rxr
00:03 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
00:04 < Mike1> tsa: ever used Honeypots?
00:04 < tsa> Mike1: not so far..
00:04 < esden> woot ... animatrix on pro7 it rulez
00:04 < tsa> hiya esden
00:04 < Mike1> GBY esden
00:04 * -> esden is asking himself if there will be more
00:05 < Mike1> tsa: http://www.honeypots.net/
00:05 < tsa> thx
00:05 < Mike1> tsa: its quite nice :)
00:05 < needle> cu all
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00:05 < esden> that means that the dvd is in the shops tomorrow ... at least I heard that it will be the day after it comes on pro7
00:07 < Mike1> :)
00:07 < Mike1> ok i'm off
00:07 < Mike1> cu tomorrow (i hope)
00:07 < esden> n8 Mike1 
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00:07 < tsa> cu mike
00:10 < uninvit3d> n8 every1
00:11 < esden> ahh the second renesaince I
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01:33 < daja77> .oO I am lost again :((
01:34 < daja77> the same stupid terminal error again *gnarf*
01:42 < esden> ok ... animatrix finished ... the dietlibc/bootdisk problem has to wait till tomorrow
01:43 < esden> ok ... good night everyone
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01:47 < daja77> haha system says life sucks, yeah
01:48 < daja77> anybody alive?
01:48 < mnemoc> me
01:48 < daja77> great
01:49 < daja77> it seems to be impossible to install rock on a pentium 133 system
01:50 < daja77> 2nd_stage is too big and 2nd_stage_small is borken
01:51 < mnemoc> doh
01:52 < daja77> now the machine is blinking friendly and saying: life sucks!
01:52 < daja77> smart machine
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01:54 < n00kie> daja77: o.O
01:54 < n00kie> I wanna install rock on a 120mhz machine
01:54 < n00kie> well
01:54 < n00kie> Hope it'll work
01:55 < daja77> kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
01:55 < daja77> n00kie: how much ram do you have?
01:55 < n00kie> well
01:55 < n00kie> it runs with 40mb ram
01:55 < daja77> ha ha
01:55 < n00kie> If I run a swap space of about 512megs
01:55 < n00kie> it should work
01:56 < daja77> this machine has 60mb and it wasn't sufficient
01:56 < esden> daja77: I am working on the bootdisk problems at the moment
01:56 < esden> because I have seen that the small stage2 is broken
01:56 < n00kie> daja77: Did you activated swap space on the startup ?
01:57 < daja77> esden: great, don't have time for rebuild, so I guess, I'll repair that half borken install manually
01:57 < esden> argl
01:58 < daja77> I want to ship that box on wednesday
01:58 < esden> daja77: yes do it ... it will take time till I get the problem tracked and killed
01:58 * -> esden sending out sentinels
01:58 < daja77> esden: you'll get a beer for that on Linuxtag from me
01:58 < n00kie> blindcoder: You crashed into another car with your car?
01:59 < daja77> esden: another issue vmlinuz is too big for boot floppies
02:01 < esden> argl ... I have to go to bed >_<
02:01 * -> esden killing time
02:02 < n00kie> hehe
02:02 < n00kie> sleep well esden :)
02:07 < esden> woow ... that are 3 cd's now 
02:07 < esden> that is a _lot_
02:07 < esden> rock is growing and growing instantly
02:08 < esden> WARNING: Disk1 is not bootable - no boot options defined.
02:08 < esden> argl argl argl
02:11 < esden> ok ... it was my own stupidity
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02:11 < jose_> hey, does anybody have the ps filter for a printer ?
02:12 < jose_> I just can not find any !
02:12 < esden> how much does cost the simplest and cheepest cdrom drive?
02:12 < esden> jose_: /me does not have a printer
02:12 < tfing> 30 ? maybe less
02:12 < esden> hmm ... that sounds ok
02:12 * jose_ is trying to print in a windows print server!
02:12 < daja77> esden: yeah rock linux is fat and ugly like all the distros :(
02:15 < esden> daja77: that is why we have the small target ... you are not forced to build everything ;-)
02:15 < daja77> esden: I do not talk about build I talk about the compiled distro
02:16 < esden> you talk about the generic and desktop targets 
02:16 < n00kie> hmm
02:16 < n00kie> i think we shouldn't "create" a big target
02:16 < n00kie> but many small usefull targets
02:19 < esden> but who will do it ... not me ... 
02:19 < daja77> yeah I need desktop target, but I need to install to older machines as well, they don't have 1G RAM
02:20 < n00kie> esden: hmm
02:20 < n00kie> groups is huge
02:20 < esden> daja77: that is why I have a pentium 100 with 8mb ram standing here to test installation on such machine and get it running
02:21 < esden> that is forcing me to make it possible to install on such box
02:22 < daja77> hmm ok installing of ncurses package fails
02:22 < esden> n00kie: the group is not as huge as one may expect ... and as it seems there is noone who is interested in such targets ... otherwise they would be there ... and another thing: we had till now other things to do, like getting the framework working and flexible
02:22 < daja77> terminated
02:22 < daja77> esden: how can I extract the binary tarball from a gem?
02:23 < esden> daja77: mom
02:24 < esden> mine -k pkg_tarbz2 <package>.gem
02:24 < daja77> ah thx
02:25 < esden> that is also a thing for the FAQ
02:25 < esden> ok ... but now I really go to bed
02:25 < esden> good night
02:25 < n00kie> sleep well esden :)
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02:27 < daja77> gn8 esden , btw this made a nice sound and killed the terminal
02:29 < esden> mine -k pkg_tarbz2 <package>.gem > package.tar.bz2
02:29 < esden> sorry
02:30 < daja77> I found it, gn8
02:46 < mnemoc> n8 daja77
02:47 < daja77> you are goin to bed?
02:49 < mnemoc> me? no.... you
02:49 < daja77> nah I said gn8 to esden
02:50 * daja77 trying to fix that damn box
02:50 < n00kie> hola mnemoc :-)
02:51 < mnemoc> hallo n00kie :-)
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04:42 < mnemoc> gn8
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07:25 < blindcoder> n00kie: yes
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09:37 < Aard> hi
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09:40 < jsaw> re moin moin
09:44 < Aard> jsaw: moin
09:45 < jsaw> moin Aard
09:47 < Aard> esden: asleep? ;)
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11:10 < owl> moin
11:14 < n00kie> morning owl :)
11:15 < owl> hi n00kie
11:15 < n00kie> How are you?
11:15 < owl> n00kie: #anarchy
11:15 < n00kie> yep
11:15 < owl> :p
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11:28 < esden> good morning
11:28 < esden> Aard: ?
11:30 < Aard> esden: hi
11:30 < esden> hi
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11:30 < Aard> found an irc-log from may 22 last night -- I'm the dietlinux-guy.
11:31 < esden> heey cool!!
11:31 < esden> I wanted to write an email to you but I had no time for that till now
11:32 < esden> I have tested your bootdisk ... and I have to say it is pretty good work
11:32 < Aard> btw, I'm currently chatting using an irssi linked static against dietlibc, running on dietlinux :)
11:33 < esden> nice ;-)
11:33 < Aard> thanks. do you mean cd-rom or floppy? floppy is currently really outdated
11:33 < esden> I am sadly not so far to use a diet system :-(
11:34 < esden> I still have some problems with the build that have to be solved
11:34 < esden> floppy
11:34 < esden> I can not remember why but I was not able to get/use the cdrom
11:35 < Aard> I'm using it as a router (pppoe), and dns/dhcp for my internal network. since yesterday I have screen and irssi there and can use it for useful stuff, too ;)
11:35 < blindcoder> hi all
11:35 < esden> do you have a running gcc under dietlibc?
11:35 < esden> hi blindcoder 
11:36 < Aard> was it possible to you to assemble the ISO? if not -- since yesterday there is a mirror at freenet.de where you can get ready-to-use ISOs
11:37 < Aard> esden: yes, since about one week I've been building all software without autoconf on a DietLinux-system, since sunday I have a working perl and can therefore build autoconf-software, too
11:37 < Aard> glib/irssi was the first big softwarepackage using autoconf I compiled only using DietLinux
11:37 < esden> what have you done to get gcc bootstrapped on dietlinux?
11:38 < esden> have you thanged the STARTFILE_ and ENDFILE_SPECS?
11:41 < esden> gettng perl running is the next step after the gcc ... 
11:43 < Aard> you have to disable build of g++ -- easiest way to do so ist to remove the dirs libstdc++-v3 and gcc/cp (?)
11:44 < Aard> I removed java, too, but it might build with java-support
11:46 < Aard> for perl you cannot use the buggy dietlibc-libm -- someone told me to use the fdlibm from sun, currently only available from mizilla CVS.
11:47 < esden> aha ... ok
11:48 < esden> but I do not think that it will help ... :-/
11:48 < Aard> problem about g++ ist that libstdc++ heavily depends on glibc -- most likely you will never be able to use c++ with dietlibc without writen a nice small libstdc++
11:49 < Aard> (there have been plans to do this, but until now nobody had the time to do so)
11:49 < esden> because what is failing currently is the gcx (or how it is called) gcc internal mini compiler that is used to build the actual compiler
11:50 < esden> I got gcc compiled in stage 1 (outside the chroot) and it is working very well 
11:50 < esden> and g++ is there o_O
11:51 < esden> it is some time ago as I fixed gcc
11:51 < esden> I only have problems compiling gcc inside the chroot
11:54 < Aard> do you have a running automake?
11:54 < esden> not yet 
11:54 < Aard> how do you configure it?
11:54 < esden> I do not need automake to configure gcc ...
11:55 < esden> I only need automake autoconf when I change something in configure.am or in Makefile.am
11:55 < esden> or so
11:55 < esden> otherwise automake is not needed
11:56 < Aard> argh, ok, your right. its early in the morning..
11:56 < esden> *gg*
11:56 * -> esden brb
11:56 < Aard> can you run ./configure inside the chroot successful?
12:06 < daja77> moin
12:09 < esden> re
12:09 < netrunner> hi esden
12:09 < esden> Aard: yes
12:09 < daja77> hi esden
12:09 < esden> hi daja77, netrunner 
12:10 < Aard> what options do you use?
12:10 < esden> urgh ... that is difficult the options are created during the build ... I hove to check that
12:13 < esden> ahh ok ... in stage 1 only c is build no other stuff like c++
12:16 * -> esden running gcc3 build and will see what the options are
12:18 < esden> Aard: configure options:  --prefix=/usr --bindir=$bindir --sbindir=$sbindir --libdir=$libdir --datadir=$datadir --infodir=$infodir --mandir=$mandir --sysconfdir=$sysconfdir --localstatedir=$localstatedir --disable-debug --disable-nls $extraconfopt --build=$arch_build --host=$arch_target --disable-multilib --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-shared=no --with-gnu-as --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --with-gnu-ld --enable-threads=posix
12:20 < Aard> hm. I uses nearly the same, but no threads and additional --disable-c-mbchar
12:21 < esden> ok now I have the complete option list: --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libdir=/usr/lib --datadir=/usr/share --infodir=/usr/info --mandir=/usr/man --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-debug --disable-nls --without-libpam --without-pam --disable-libpam --disable-pam --build=i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1 --host=i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1 --disable-multilib --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-shared=no --with-gnu-as --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --with-gnu-ld --enable-threads=posix
12:24 < esden> Aard: I send you the error I get in the query
12:25 < esden> the xgcc is the internal minicompiler and it is not able to find the headers of dietlibc.
12:25 < daja77> mini compiler?
12:26 < esden> yes it is used to get the real compiler built
12:27 < daja77> I know but I thought it is just a prebuild gcc not an extra minicompiler
12:29 < esden> or so ... 
12:31 < daja77> ok I'll continue fighting GRUB
12:34 < jsaw> hi daja77, hehe CRUB
12:36 < daja77> hi jsaw , yeah but on an old siemens this time
12:36 < daja77> I did the same things I did to the laptop
12:36 < daja77> but instead of booting it only says GRUB and hangs
12:41 < jsaw> hmmm...
12:43 < daja77> the best thing is I only found that error description in connection with scsi controllers
12:46 < daja77> wtf I get the suse db articles only from google cache
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13:19 < Aard> esden: btw, will you be at linuxtag or chaoscamp this year?
13:31 < esden> I won't be able to come to linuxtag because of exams
13:31 < esden> but I will be at least the first two days on chaos camp
13:32 < Aard> I'll stay at ennos firelounge during the camp -- http://lounge.verbrennung.org/
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13:39 < daja77> hah I found a way to boot that installation
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14:04 < rxr> re
14:04 < daja77> re rxr
14:04 * daja77 banging head against a wall
14:05 < rxr> daja77: why?
14:06 < daja77> cos grub install on that siemens box gives me a headache
14:06 < rxr> daja77: what is the problem?
14:07 < daja77> long or short version?
14:07 < rxr> both :-)
14:08 < daja77> ok well the box has less than 64mb ram which cos trouble during rock install (killed mine tasks)
14:09 < daja77> so e.g. ncurses didn't get installed which broke the install
14:09 < daja77> anyway I chrooted into that mess and somehow installed ncurses to perform grub setup
14:10 < daja77> then I got a GRUB message + a system hang
14:10 < rxr> daja77: the progs failed with an active swap space ?
14:10 < daja77> yes
14:10 < daja77> then I booted that system with a grub floppy which worked quite well
14:11 < daja77> I redid grub install from stone, now I get a GRUB Read Error
14:11 < daja77> *hmpf*
14:12 < daja77> maybe I should do a mine -i *gem before I continue, there seem to be more broken (or uninstalled) packages
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14:26 < daja77> *gg* I scared rxr away
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14:34 < rxr> daja77: nope
14:34 < daja77> :))
14:34 < rxr> I'm just too busy ...
14:34 < rxr> I hack xemacs for the iBook, and checked the inbox, and ...
14:35 < daja77> do you have an idea?
14:35 < rxr> this shit fuck argh
14:35 < daja77> huh?
14:35 < rxr> text.h:2156: Internal compiler error in verify_wide_reg, at flow.c:560
14:35 < rxr> Please submit a full bug report,
14:35 < daja77> gcc-3.3
14:35 < rxr> maybe we should start a ROCK-cc ...
14:35 < rxr> daja77: nope just gcc-3.2.3 on iBook ...
14:35 < daja77> yeah great, hacking a new compiler
14:36 < rxr> daja77: nope designing and implenting - not hacking
14:36 < daja77> haha
14:36 < rxr> that might make the important difference :-)
14:36 < rxr> s/might/should/ :-)
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14:37 < daja77> yeah sure, you mean this will be the hurd equivalent for compilers *rofl*
14:37 < daja77> release in 2130
14:38 * daja77 off, need a break from this bullshit
14:39 < rxr> daja77: nope
14:39 < rxr> this will work out quicker ...
14:39 < rxr> take a look to other compilers ...
14:40 < daja77> none of them works good with linux software
14:41 * daja77 should know better of compilers taking into account that this is part of his specialization
14:42 < daja77> anyway off now, cu and maybe I'll get it running ...
14:42 < rxr> hm
14:42 < rxr> is this iBook getting too hot ?!?
14:42 < Aard> rxr: sure it will. `will be released next year'.
14:43 < Aard> is better than `2130', you'll never have to change that
14:43 < daja77> hehe ic
14:44 < rxr> oO
14:44 < rxr> this ICEs are not reproduceable
14:44 < rolla> re
14:44 < rxr> I fear this iBook is getting to hot ...
14:46 < Aard> rxr: http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~arnesen/peltierbeer/ -- either put the iBook into the mag or adjust the construction to the different shape ;)
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15:59 < mnemoc> re
16:00 < rolla> re mnemoc
16:00 < mnemoc> hi rolla
16:04 < daja77> hi mnemoc
16:05 < mnemoc> daja77: hi... when will we have rtai? ;-)
16:06 < daja77> when I finished this fscking pentium box and have time to go to work
16:06 < daja77> I guess end of the week
16:07 < daja77> but I'll downgrade to 2.4.20 everything else is too risky for my project
16:08 < daja77> mnemoc: you need it?
16:08 < mnemoc> no :)
16:08 < daja77> ok
16:08 < rolla> grrr
16:08 < daja77> rolla: ?
16:09 < mnemoc> daja77: i saw the conflicts in the rtai's patch, and they were very simple to adjust to -rc6
16:10 < rxr> hi mnemoc
16:10 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:11 < rxr> I should script XEmacs / Mew to play an "You have a patch" audio wave :-)
16:11 < mnemoc> lol
16:13 < daja77> mnemoc: I don't care, how should I guess if this will be work at runtime, and I can't cope with that rc releasing speed
16:13 < mnemoc> thanks true
16:14 < mnemoc> thats true (fix)
16:14 < daja77> and paolo told me he'll merge rtai stuff in it when 2.4.21 is out
16:14 < daja77> + there are two patches
16:15 < daja77> anyway off to university now
16:16 < mnemoc> good luck
16:16 < daja77> :)
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16:35 < LocalHero> Hi all
16:36 < mnemoc> wb LocalHero
16:47 < LocalHero> Has anybody a good mirror for 2.0 src files?
16:50 < mnemoc> are mirrors too outdated?
16:51 < rolla> LocalHero: nope
16:51 < LocalHero> Ahh, sorry, First i didnt have curl installed and then it detected that no mirrors where awaible
16:51 < LocalHero> I fixed that with deleting the src/Downlaod-Mirror file
16:51 < LocalHero> Finaly i got my 2.0 build environment up :)
16:51 < mnemoc> congrats! ;)
16:52 < LocalHero> Now we might finaly have some isos ready on the site. Its a shame that the last is 1.6.0-pre3 and that we sould say that its absolete
16:58 < LocalHero> And soon i will be able to make the swedish keyboard patch :)
16:58 < mnemoc> o_O
17:07 < mnemoc> http://thejab.com/newsite/balm.html
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17:11 < Mike1> moin
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17:15 < mnemoc> moin Mike1
17:15 < Mike1> Hola Ale :)
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17:22 < rolla> re Mike1
17:22 < Mike1> hi Joel
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17:49 < rxr> yeah - finally this damn xemacs thing linked on ppc
17:49 < rxr> this was *sooo* easy - just removed a damn old rotten stupid link.script hack only present on ppc ...
17:50 < LocalHero> rxr, great job :)
17:51 < rxr> yes ;-) cool. And since there is not a single google entry about this fluff I might be the first one that linked xemacs on ppc with glibc-2.3 and gcc-3.x ...
17:51 < rxr> hi LocalHero
17:53 < LocalHero> rxr, ahh, oki, how is the powerpc thing looking alltogether? Can you get a working iso?
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17:56 < rxr> I tell people "at the end of the week" since three wekks or so now ...
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17:56 < rxr> but during the next seven days (this time for sure) I'll release a installable iso
17:57 < LocalHero> rxr, great, dont forget to send it to the iso site :)
17:57 < rxr> I hope to fix a dietlibc'ed gawk until then - otherwise the install-disk and the installer has some oddities ..
17:57 < rxr> LocalHero: sure I will
17:57 < rxr> it will be in the usual dRock tree which is automagically synced
17:58 < rxr> I'll also put either a 30GB disk - or hopefully a 40GB one if it arrive in time - into the server. So I should have the space for the next ISO releases for the next 6-12 months ... :-)
17:58 < rxr> Dumping under the name xemacs
17:58 < rxr> Testing for Lisp shadows ...
17:59 < LocalHero> oki :=
17:59 < LocalHero> :)
17:59 < rxr> ^- yeah finally !!
17:59 < rxr> LocalHero: how much space space on the server?
18:00 < rxr> from the stuff I have lying around I could donate a 30GB "serviceable reused part" IBM disk just came from repair a few days ago ...
18:00 < LocalHero> Wow, rocklinux 2 has a lot of new packages. I liked when it was plain and simple. I wounder if it would be an idee to do a lite installation of what you actually would need to run a webserver for example
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18:01 < LocalHero> rxr, well at the moment it is 40+40 but i have some problem alocating it the right way :(.. Im planing on doing a complet redisign of the ftp dirs and an upload "thing" so people could add their isos to the site more easy
18:01 < LocalHero> Right now 40 is used for the iso site.
18:02 < LocalHero> Then im also planing on upgrading the cpu (133mhz old p5 right now) this summer. I have 2 more days left in school before summer
18:02 < LocalHero> Ahh, more diskspace would be nice :)
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18:05 < LocalHero> got to go for a while, cya
18:05 < rxr> re
18:06 < rxr> cu
18:10 < rxr> weee - really working :-)
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18:53 < rxr> re
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19:04 < daja77> re
19:04 < Mike1> ping rolla
19:04 < Mike1> re all
19:04 < daja77> hi Mike1
19:04 < Mike1> rolla: PING PING PING
19:04 < Mike1> hi daja77 :)
19:06 < Mike1> daja77: und bye again
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19:06 < daja77> *argh* this sucks
19:08 < rxr> hi daja77
19:10 < daja77> hahaha I somehow managed to have an rc2 kernel package and the header package rc3 in that build *grml*
19:11 < rxr> the headers are really unimportant
19:12 < rxr> coul use the current ones for the next years or so
19:12 < rxr> it is just the application interface, and Linus himself said he uses some old 2.0 or 2.2 ones ...
19:12 < daja77> well I don't mind just wondering
19:13 < rxr> see the /usr/include/{linux ,asm} symlink vs. copy threads
19:13 < daja77> well my beverages are out need to do some shopping (or dying)
19:14 < rxr> daja77: oO ...
19:17 < daja77> well now reinstalling the gems of disc 2
19:18 * daja77 shopping 
19:18 < daja77> cu
19:47 < LocalHero> Wow, the new build system looks great :) Good work everybody
19:54 < LocalHero> ARrgh, error on first package.
19:54 < LocalHero> cp: invalid option -- L
19:54 < daja77> hi LocalHero
19:54 < LocalHero> hi daja77 :)
19:55 < LocalHero> Seams that rock-1.4 had a to old cp :(
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19:56 < ta-bernakle> # Appears as ANNA.
19:56 < daja77> hi ta-bernakle
19:57 < ta-bernakle> hi. How are you?
19:57 < daja77> fine
19:58 < daja77> ta-bernakle: bad idea to ask my clock :)
19:58 < ta-bernakle> what are you doing, daja77?
19:58 < daja77> idling waiting for a box finishing its install
19:59 < ta-bernakle> ah, muy bien.
19:59 < daja77> do I know you?
19:59 < LocalHero> Does anybody know what package cp comes from?
20:00 < daja77> coreutils?
20:00 < LocalHero> thnx
20:00 < daja77> just a guess
20:00 < ta-bernakle> no, daja
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20:02 < LocalHero> hmm, i have found out that my current computer is to slow :(
20:04 < daja77> hehe everybody finds that out somehow
20:04 < LocalHero> It would be nice to find out if the new amd64 is a great thing? Anybody who has tested it?
20:05 < daja77> haha you can't even buy it
20:05 < LocalHero> daja77, what do you mean?
20:06 < daja77> I mean I haven't seen them in the shops
20:07 < LocalHero> http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=OPT240B
20:08 < daja77> ah wtf the processor only or what
20:08 < rolla> wow
20:08 < rolla> owl is not here
20:09 < LocalHero> Uhh yup, looks like it?
20:09 < daja77> rolla: you are glad about that?
20:09 < Aard> daja77: its meant to be used in servers. look at how much a nice xeon costs. or hoh moch an itanic costs
20:09 < rolla> daja77: nope
20:09 < rolla> wanted to say hi
20:10 < daja77> rolla: do it in #anarchy
20:10 < daja77> Aard: I don't care where they should be used, I simply want them
20:11 < LocalHero> Well, they dont sell any motherboards? Wow, maybe they dont have them yet?
20:12 < Aard> daja77: a) wait till they release sledgehammer for desktop b) pay about $3000 c) give amd a good reason to donate you one. is there a rock-port for athlon64? ;)
20:12 < daja77> c) yes there is a port afaik
20:12 < Aard> daja77: ok, then you have to find another reason ;)
20:13 * daja77 puzzled
20:13 < LocalHero> uhh, how could there be a port if nobody has it?
20:14 < daja77> well at least there is preparation done in the tree
20:15 < Aard> daja77: you could start a chainletter -- `I have cancer and  I'll die soon, last thing I want to have before I leave is a computer with a sledgehammer-CPU' 8)
20:15 < LocalHero> LOL :)
20:15 < daja77> hehehe
20:16 < daja77> I think I'd prefer a night with $most_wanted_actress
20:16 < Aard> daja77: that helps to get a sledgehammer-cpu?
20:16 < Aard> [x] send actress
20:17 < LocalHero> Well, has anybody tried to get the project sponsored? I will give it a try next week? What can we offer. Banner on the site? Sponsored by xxx?
20:17 < daja77> Aard: no that doesn't help getting that cpu, but that's what I want if I had cancer and had to die soon
20:18 < LocalHero> uhh, ups not xxx, i mean yyy
20:18 < daja77> hehe why not xxx they have money
20:18 < LocalHero> Hehe. I wounder if they are interested in rocklinux :)
20:18 < daja77> why not, it is better than sex, and sex is what they have all day
20:19 < LocalHero> daja77, ahh, good point :).
20:19 < Aard> does rocklinux include pornview? ;)
20:19 < daja77> xine and mplayer included, yes
20:20 < LocalHero> The only problem is that it is hard to speak to them. They are always makeing those sounds when you phone them and nobody seams to notice that you are trying to make contact :)
20:20 < daja77> hehe mail them
20:21 < LocalHero> daja77,, hmm, well they are already mailing me to much. Dont want any more spam :(
20:21 < daja77> you definitely know the wrong people
20:22 < daja77> I wasn't talking of that penis enlargement scientists
20:22 < LocalHero> lol :)
20:22 < Aard> daja77: why? it works. see userfriendly ;)
20:22 < daja77> userfriendly penis enlargement, huh?
20:22 < LocalHero> Hehe, but seriusly, if we got sponsored. Would it be possible to have like a sign that says sponsored by yyy on the site? Or do we want that?
20:23 < daja77> sure we want that, btw we already have that (powerpc port sponsored by ibm)
20:23 < LocalHero> daja77,, ahh, oki :)
20:23 < Aard> daja77: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030527
20:24 < LocalHero> Just so that i know if i start calling companies
20:24 < daja77> well ask on the list, but I don't think there will be problems
20:25 < daja77> Aard: *lol*
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20:26 < daja77> my favourite userfriendly picture is that of the aol pc
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20:27 < daja77> hey blindcoder
20:28 * daja77 thinks of goin out today ...
20:28 < Aard> daja77: its hot out there. don't do it.
20:29 < daja77> yeah but I could go to a club with cute chicks in it ...
20:31 * daja77 throwing up a coin
20:31 < Aard> daja77: if you have enough money to throw it away -- pleas send it to me :)
20:32 < daja77> Aard: nah not a commercial club, just a decent english club, cute chicks there anyway ;)
20:33 < Aard> i referred to `daja77 throwing up a coin'
20:33 < daja77> I picked it up again (was a pfand coin anyway)
20:33 < blindcoder> g'evening all
20:34 < daja77> evening blindcoder
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20:35 < daja77> this fscking machine still copying
20:35 < daja77> so I am off idling somewhere else
20:35 < blindcoder> moin uninvit3d
20:36 < uninvit3d> Hi blindcoder!
20:36 < daja77> hi uninvit3d
20:37 < daja77> ok cu
20:40 < uninvit3d> Hello every1
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20:50 < A-Tui> hi
20:51 < blindcoder> moin
20:51 < A-Tui> moin blindcoder
20:53 < LocalHero> WEll, got to do something usfull no, cya all
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21:08 < Aard> do you have to leave irc to do something useful? *hiding irc-logs*
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21:39 < tcr> moin all
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21:44 < Mike1> re all.
21:45 < tcr> moin Mike1
21:45 < Aard> hi tcr
21:46 < tcr> moin Aard, et al
21:48 * tcr reads niko's mail, and doesn't really know what to comment
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21:51 < Aard> re
21:53 < Mike1> tcr: don't comment, just laught :)
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21:54 < tcr> Mike1: Well, the problem is that I can't really laugh at that yadda yadda
21:54 < Mike1> tcr: why not? are u a Gentoo guy ? *vbeg*
21:55 * Mike1 guesses tcr's silence means yes..
21:55 < Mike1> oh poor boy.
21:55 < tcr> Mike1: Nah, it's obtusing prattle without any real arguments
21:55 < Mike1> i see
21:56 < tcr> I share the writer's attitude, but nevertheless I don't think much is true as it is written there
21:57 < tcr> (Yeah I know it's just satiric meaning, but anyway..)
21:58 < rolla> re Mike1
21:58 < Mike1> i think those writters are pathetic and senceless.
21:58 < Mike1> hi Joel
21:58 < Mike1> rolla: happy?
22:01 < tcr> Mike1: I don't think so. That's again too generic.. I actually like satire writings (but only if they're good and as such have content, and so a argumentive grounding))
22:01 < tcr> but don't chat about that.. I'm actually reading ;)
22:01 < Mike1> fine to me.
22:02 * Mike1 turns back to tcr and looks somewhere else.
22:08 < rolla> Mike1: yes
22:08 < rolla> thanks
22:09 < Mike1> rolla: no need to thank me my friend :)
22:09 < Mike1> what's your status on the dns?
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22:13 < esden> hi all
22:13 < Robin_Root> Hi
22:13 < esden> hi Robin_Root 
22:13 < Mike1> hi esden und Robin_Root
22:15 < Mike1> i will see u guys later
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22:17 < Aard> esden: btw, did you ever try to link emacs against dietlibc? :)
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22:18 < esden> thank god no ... 
22:18 < esden> @ Aard 
22:19 < Aard> esden: fuck. I'm currently trying to find something stupid enough to get it working :)
22:20 < esden> Aard: which gcc are you using for dietlinux?
22:20 < Aard> 3.2.3
22:21 < Aard> btw, updated my irssi-binary to support ipv6
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22:25 < esden> Aard: congrats
22:25 < esden> hmm ... I have to say that it is much easier to get the packets compile when you do not have to make it automatically buildable ....
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22:25 < tsa> hi all.
22:26 < esden> when I would not use rock I would not need so much time to get it running
22:26 < esden> but that way it is easier to update packets ;-)
22:26 < esden> and the way I got the packets compiling is automatically documented ;-)
22:27 < Aard> esden: since I have the includes and libs at the default location most of the autoconf-software works out-of-the-box
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22:30 < esden> hmm .. that is inpossible in my situation .. when dietlibc has also to be installable on a system using glibc ... and also usable in hybrid systems
22:30 < esden> if I had it in the dietlibc targed different to other targets that would not be clean
22:30 < Aard> jup. I don't habe that problem -- DietLinux ist dietlibc only ;)
22:35 < esden> *dancing_around_his_room*
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22:36 < Aard> esden: you've just won a free penis-enlargement-kit?
22:36 < esden> ehhhm ... no ... my radio is only playing good music ... that happens only very seldom in my life so I dance ;-)
22:37 < tsa> uh-oh.
22:37 < esden> tsa: no that is nothing you want to hear ;-)
22:37 < esden> it is house ;-)
22:37 < tsa> indeed.
22:38 < Aard> esden: my radio plays what my computer tells it to play. that's mostly what I wnat to hear
22:39 < Aard> btw, are there any texts describing your current problem? I've been looking for some time now, without success
22:40 < esden> nope ... I searched the net very long and very often ... and I have not found anything apropriate ... 
22:40 < esden> I currently wait till my rocktree is updated so that I can test my solution
22:41 < Aard> sorry, I mean something written by you, describing what you did and where you stuck
22:41 < esden> ahh ... no ... since I do not write advogato entrys there is nothing described ... I think I should restart writing blog
22:42 < tsa> esden: hm..you seem to have too much time.
22:42 * tsa hates personal homepages.
22:42 < tsa> "me, a pic, my hobbies, greets to my friends and my blog"
22:43 < tsa> useless links.
22:45 < Aard> tsa: why not add some personal info on a technical page?
22:45 < tsa> Aard: boring stuff. at least in 99%
22:46 < esden> tsa: 99% of everything is crap ... but the 1% counts ;-)
22:47 < tsa> esden: then try to be among the 1%, please.
22:47 < esden> I try all the time to be in the 1% of not crap things ;-)
22:47 < Aard> tsa: sometimes I'd like to know more about people im working/talking with -- but name/age/picture/country is enough
22:49 < tsa> sebastian/24/see devel gallery/.de
22:50 < Aard> tsa: *patsch* ;)
22:50 < tsa> hehe
22:51 < Aard> btw, most people visiting my pages are happy after visiting the site about my rabbits. and that's what I'd call a personal page ;)
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23:24 < esden> rxr: the rocklinux download mirrors are out of date ...
23:24 < esden> and that pretty much ...
23:25 < esden> hmm ... but there were many package updates in the last time ... ok ... it cam be that they are not yet synced ... :-/
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23:30 < Aard> esden: btw, gpg compiles with minor fixes (some functions are definded with ulong in .h, but implemented with unsigned long in .c) -- and works.
23:36 < esden> nice
23:37 < esden> ok ... the patch with the idea of the fix is ready
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23:42 < esden> re Mike1 !! 
23:42 < esden> god bless you Mike1 
23:42 < Mike1> hi esden !!
23:42 < Mike1> god bless u too :)
23:43 < esden> how are you my friend?
23:43 < Mike1> i am great!!
23:43 < Mike1> esden: i just ROCKed an smp box with _raid_ :)
23:43 < esden> that is great ;-)
23:43 < Mike1> how are u ?
23:43 < esden> I am fine ... still waiting for package downloads to finish ... so I can test my dietlibc target fix
23:44 < Mike1> damn boot disks had no support for this damn raid, but them i tweaked around for like 15 minutes and now it works
23:44 < Mike1> so i guess i will provide a patch tomorrow or so, if i get a "decent" conection
23:45 < Mike1> i'm hatting dialup ... :((
23:45 < esden> what connection do you get?
23:45 < Mike1> esden: oh no, i got dialup currently. tomorrow i go to a freidns office, and submit _lots_ of work from there
23:46 < Mike1> still he has only 128k .. but its better than dialup :((
23:46 < esden> ahh ok ... that is nice
23:46 < Mike1> esden: i'm remebering of your days in poland..
23:46 < esden> in comparison to dialup ...
23:46 < esden> hehe ... these days will come back >_<
23:46 < esden> in summer
23:47 < Mike1> i will enjoy that :)
23:47 < esden> GRRRRR
23:47 < Mike1> u just get quite pissed :P
23:47 < Mike1> esden: maybe u should come to cr in summer..
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23:47 < esden> not quite ... I got very pissed by that >_<
23:48 < Mike1> i understand the feeling esen
23:48 < esden> Mike1: no thanks ... I will have enough problems to come to your wedding ... 
23:48 < Mike1> esden: hehe so u will come?!?! :))))
23:48 < esden> as I said before ... I will try hard to 
23:48 < Mike1> yeah!!!
23:48 * Mike1 jumping around
23:49 < Mike1> :))
23:49 < esden> argh ... xemacs takes ages to download ... /me kicks emacs and everything similar to it 
23:49 < Mike1> esden: who needs it anyways
23:49 < esden> some freaks ;-)
23:49 < Mike1> i might use it if i had 16 fingers or so..
23:49 < esden> Aard: you need that right?
23:49 < Mike1> urrgs :)
23:52 < esden> ok ... dietlibc target build running ... I do not want to wait longer for the download
23:53 < Mike1> *gg*
23:59 < Aard> esden: emacs? yes, I'm using gnus. with emacs I'd have a DietLinux-box containing everything I need to live.. ;)
23:59 < Mike1> esden: who is Aard btw?
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