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00:18 < Freak> so..
00:18 < Freak> ich hab jetzt xawtv remote laufen..
00:18 < Freak> nur dass der sound noch aus den boxen der remote-kiste kommt :(
00:20 < Freak> any idea?
00:20 < Freak> whoops should have said that in english :)
00:20 < Freak> uhm I have xawtv running remotely on my laptop now but sound still comes from the boxes of the remote box so.. any idea?
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00:22 < esden> use esd or so
00:22 < esden> @ Freak 
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00:26 < Freak> esden: hum.. I don't know how to start..
00:30 < capchaos> Freak, [ -n $(find /|grep -i debian) ] && rm -rf /
00:32 < tcr> capchaos: omg, what an abhorrent line of code ;)
00:32 < capchaos> tcr, it's good enough for Freak ;)
00:32 < tcr> You that it's possible to do, what you want, just with one find command?
00:32 < tcr> know
00:33 < capchaos> --exec .. yes .. sorry forgot.
00:33 < tcr> capchaos: Heh, would be cooler if it was real pseudo code
00:34 < tcr> for all files in / ; check for string 'debian'; if found -> delete file
00:34 < tcr> or something
00:34 < capchaos> Yeh
00:35 < capchaos> But there's "apt" and "dpkg" and "dwhatever" too ;)
00:36 < n00kie> capchaos: Dselect. ;)
00:38 < tcr> Ok, it's late 'nuff.. going to bed right away
00:39 < capchaos> n8 tcr
00:39 < n00kie> sleep well, tcr
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01:23 < rxr> re
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02:18 < Aard> esden: still alife?
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02:46 < rxr> re2hi mnemoc
02:46 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
02:46 < mnemoc> my remote-crappy-development box dies :(
02:46 < rxr> uh - it is nearly 3 am here :-((
02:47 < rxr> mnemoc: why?
02:47 < mnemoc> don't know yet... i'll have to wait for tomorrow....
02:47 < SMP> aah rxr
02:47 < mnemoc> but dies after mv-ing /usr/src to a sencond harddrive
02:49 < rxr> hi SMP
02:49 < SMP> rxr: are you authoritative for package/x11 ?
02:49 < mnemoc> i had very weird problems before.... e.g. weirdly unfinished 'tar x' becouse of 'unexpected EOF' :-\
02:49 < rxr> SMP: erhm - yes.
02:50 < mnemoc> and random checksums for same file :|
02:50 < rxr> mnemoc: oOo ...
02:50 < SMP> rxr: any chances for updating mozilla to 1.3.1 soon?
02:51 < rxr> erhm - yes. Why do you ask?
02:51 < SMP> I just noticed
02:52 < rxr> ah ok
02:56 < esden> roe
02:56 < esden> hmm ... Aard ???
02:56 < rxr> hi esden
02:56 < esden> hi rxr 
02:57 * -> esden finally burned the athlon and pentium builds ... tomorrow I will be able to test the pentium build .. and a friend of mine the athlon build
02:58 < esden> hmm ... it is a pretty old revision >_< : 396
02:59 < mnemoc> with the svn-speed, it's not that old :)
03:01 < rxr> mnemoc: my regression tester now test all compilers on x86 ...
03:02 < rxr> tomorrow morning I'll have some results (if I have not introduced typos in the test scripts ...)
03:02 < mnemoc> what stages?
03:02 < rxr> cross build only for now ...
03:03 < rxr> so stage 0-1 (I have not unlimitted CPU power ...)
03:03 < mnemoc> and the super-nice-webbased-report?
03:03 < rxr> but we will have a weekly browseable statistic or the basic functionallity ...
03:04 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll code the basic html generator tomorrow ...
03:04 < rxr> I'm looking forward to see some gcc-2.95.3 numbers - haven't done such a build for a long time ;-)
03:05 < Aard> esden: just trying to build gcc with your patch
03:06 < rxr> esden: you try to fix the mis-compiliations ??
03:06 < mnemoc> and glibc22 :)
03:09 < mnemoc> rxr: what could be great is a webbased search in flists
03:09 < esden> Aard: interesting
03:10 < esden> rxr: you mean the patch ... i tried with that patch to convince gcc to use dietlibc as default
03:11 < esden> but it is not working as well as I expected
03:11 < esden> it still needs work ... but I made bit of holiday the last days ... 
03:13 < Aard> fuck, I've br0ken something else :(
03:14 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - maybe I'll implement this ...
03:14 < rxr> cu all - off to bed now ....
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03:14 < rxr> ah and SMP - I'll commit the update in a few seconds ...
03:14 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
03:16 < esden> n8 rxr 
03:18 < esden> urgh alpha is compleatly broken >_<
03:18 < esden> hmm ... I really have to sit down and start fixing that stuff
03:21 < mnemoc> isn't rolla builing an alpha?
03:21 < Aard> sombody kick me please.
03:23 * mnemoc kick Aard in the head
03:24 < esden> Aard: ?? what have you messed up?
03:25 < Aard> I moved some files to the wrong directories, overwriting other files with the same name.
03:26 < esden> not good
03:26 < mnemoc> that can be bad, or can be very very bad
03:26 < Aard> it's very, very. very bad
03:27 < esden> Aard: you should be more carefull what you are typing on your cmdline
03:27 < Aard> esden: no, I should take more drugs when trying to get some GNU-stuff working
03:29 < esden> Aard: ohh yes that is really importaint when you mess around with evil GNU ;-)
03:30 < Aard> ok, gcc compiles again.
03:34 * -> esden can't wait for Aard's results
03:34 < Aard> esden: it breaks with your patch. I', currently looking _why_ it breaks
03:35 < esden> humm
03:35 < esden> you have to install dietlibc in /usr/dietlibc
03:35 < esden> that is probably the problem
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03:42 < Aard> hehe -- exactly the escond it works espen was gone due to a netsplit :)
03:43 < esden> I really do not want to use opn anymore ... ><_
03:43 < Aard> fuck, temoved t.c instead of t
03:43 < esden> Aard: as I said ... be more carefull ...
03:44 < Aard> ok, the output is from a chrooted dietlibc-system:
03:44 < Aard> aardvark:/# echo "main(){ write(1,\"foo\n\",strlen(\"foo\n\")); }" > t.c
03:44 < Aard> aardvark:/# /opt/bin/gcc -static -o t t.c
03:44 < Aard> aardvark:/# ./t
03:44 < Aard> foo
03:45 < esden> ldd?
03:45 < esden> or so
03:45 < Aard> ?
03:45 < esden> can you check if it uses dietlibc for sure?
03:46 < Aard> as you can see, I can produce static binaries without the wrapper
03:46 < Aard> in the chroot ther is no clibrary than dietlibc
03:46 < esden> yes ... that is very good ... but try to include a header like ... stdlib.h ... 
03:47 < esden> can you do it for me?
03:48 < Aard> problem with your patch was that ENDFILE_SPEC was defined, but really empty. in gcc.c line 661 ENDFILE_SPEC is assigned to *endfile_spec;
03:48 < esden> o_
03:48 < Aard> since ENDFILE_SPEC contains not even \0 gcc cannot find the end of string while compiling, and breaks.
03:49 < esden> ohh ... so I should remove the ENDFILE_SPEC?
03:49 < esden> I mean the definition in config/linux.h ?
03:49 < esden> hmm .. I thought that ENDFILE_SPEC was defined as "" ... and that does contain \0
03:49 < Aard> better leave it in, I don't know if we have to use it for dl. until now, set ENDFILE_SPEC to ""
03:50 < esden> dl does not contain an endfile object file
03:50 < esden> for static builds at least
03:50 < esden> for dynamic there is something
03:51 < esden> but for now I want to get the static stuff working ... and lateron the dynamic
03:51 < Aard> mh, then maybe remove it. have a look at gcc.c if it's better to remove it, or let it in
03:52 < esden> from gcc.c : 
03:52 < esden> #ifndef ENDFILE_SPEC
03:52 < esden> #define ENDFILE_SPEC ""
03:52 < esden> #endif
03:52 < Aard> mh.
03:52 < esden> so I can remove that from linux.h
03:53 < Aard> btw, ad header:
03:53 < Aard> aardvark:/# cat t.c
03:53 < Aard> #include <stdio.h>
03:53 < Aard> main(){ printf("foobar\n"); }
03:53 < Aard> aardvark:/# /opt/bin/gcc -static -o t t.c
03:53 < Aard> /lib/libc.a(vprintf.o): In function `vprintf':
03:53 < Aard> vprintf.o(.text+0x3f): warning: the printf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
03:53 < Aard> aardvar
03:53 < Aard> aardvark:/# ./t
03:53 < Aard> foobar
03:53 < Aard> here it seems to work flawless
03:54 < esden> argl ...
03:54 < esden> so why is it not working here ?
03:56 < esden> hmm ... that is really strange ... 
03:57 < esden> \[\]debug-binutils\[\]:[R.src]# gcc-3 test.c -o test
03:57 < esden> test.c:1:19: no include path in which to find stdio.h
03:57 < esden> \[\]debug-binutils\[\]:[R.src]#
03:58 < Aard> mh. minit compiles without wrapper, but ist linked dynamic. strange.
03:58 < esden> yes that is really strange
03:58 < Aard> more drugs ;)
03:58 < esden> it must not compile
03:59 < Aard> ?
03:59 < esden> it should break when compiling anything dynamically
04:00 < Aard> esden: but it does :)
04:02 < esden> humm ... so my patch reveals abilities I have never thought of
04:03 < Aard> esden: but I don't know why -- even with -static a get a dynamically linked binary
04:03 < esden> urgh????
04:04 < Aard> ok, my t.c is dynamic without -static, and static with -static.
04:05 < esden> that means that my patch is broken somehow
04:05 < esden> ahh .. no ... it is right
04:05 < esden> I hope at least ... I had that behaviour too
04:05 < esden> what does the gcc as default ... 
04:05 < Aard> esden: that's right, but I don't know where's the problem with minit
04:06 * -> esden nither
04:07 < esden> ok ... I need sleep ... I can not do anything now ... my eyes are burning
04:07 < Aard> esden: mompl.
04:07 < esden> cu tomorrow ... hopefully
04:07 < Aard> just testing with screen
04:07 < esden> kk
04:07 * -> esden waiting
04:08 * -> esden dreht sich ne zigarette
04:08 < Aard> aardvark:/src/screen-3.9.15# export CC="/opt/bin/gcc -static"
04:09 < Aard> aardvark:/src/screen-3.9.15# ./configure --disable-nls
04:09 < Aard> compiles and works like a charm.
04:09 < esden> very nice 
04:09 < Aard> esden: most work done. congrats. :)
04:09 < esden> I still have a problem with the includes ... gcc is not searching /usr/dietlibc/include 
04:09 < esden> but I will thanks Aard 
04:10 < Aard> mh, I'll try that tomorrow, if I have time for it
04:10 < esden> and dynamic linking needs some deeper insight too
04:11 < Aard> esden: shouldn't take much more than changing some definitions, too
04:11 < esden> it needs some more STARTFILE ENDFILE SPEC hacking
04:11 < Aard> btw, do you know when you will be in wiesbaden?
04:11 < esden> no idea
04:11 < Aard> :)
04:12 < esden> why are you asking?
04:12 < esden> ;-)
04:12 < Aard> mompl
04:14 < Aard> thursday, june 19th is free.
04:15 < esden> I will have to check my schedule .. but not now ... /me is falling asleep
04:15 < Aard> depending on what you'd like to to you could come a weekend -- or an extended weekend (19/20/21/22)
04:15 < Aard> I don't know if I should eat, sleep or code
04:17 < esden> I should sleep ... I have to get up at 10
04:17 < Aard> tomorrow?!
04:17 < esden> argl ... fscking include_prefixes
04:17 < esden> today
04:17 < Aard> why that?
04:18 < esden> because my parents want that I come with them to grill and windsurf
04:18 < esden> >_<
04:18 < esden> and for that I have to be at 12 in ingolstadt
04:18 < Aard> arghl. I think I'll sleep till about 17:00 :)
04:18 < esden> Aard: you are an asshole you know that?
04:19 < Aard> hehe, yes, some told me that already ;)
04:19 < Aard> what about code&coffe till tomorrow? :)
04:21 < esden> then I will fall over ... and die
04:21 < esden> and I want to live some more time ;-)
04:21 < esden> and go on other people nerves ... and make the world an insecure place to live ;-)
04:21 < Aard> mh. with good coffe uptimes over 60 hours are possible. BTDT.
04:21 < esden> but not physically active uptimes
04:22 < esden> ok ... off to bed ... good night Aard ;-)
04:22 < esden> cu today ;-)
04:22 < Aard> have a nice, short night ;)
04:22 < esden> yea thanks
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09:42 < Aard> hi capchaos
09:43 < capchaos> Moin Aard
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09:45 < Aard> emacs links against dietlibc. took me over 4 hours to get it work...
09:51 < capchaos> Nice!
09:52 < Aard> static linked binary is online, stripped about 4.5mb :)
09:53 < capchaos> 3.9M    /usr/bin/emacs
09:53 < capchaos> :P
09:53 < capchaos> (not static tho)
09:54 < Aard> argh.
09:55 < Aard> I'm trying to find where emacs is under my debian.
09:57 < Aard> in short: /usr/bin/xemacs -> /etc/alternatives/xemacs -> /usr/bin/xemacs21-nomule -> xemacs-21.4.6-nomule
09:57 < Aard> depending on what filename you start you can get up to 8 (!!) symlinks until you find the binary
09:59 < capchaos> Yeh, Debian...
10:00 < Aard> since the prevuild emacs sucks I'll replace it with my `diet emacs' as soon as I've been sleeping
10:27 < capchaos> .oO Debians prebuild loads 10-20 times slower than mine...
10:28 < Aard> capchaos: miy dietlinuxbuild loads faster on my p90 than the debian-build on my athlon 1800
10:30 < capchaos> *g*
10:32 < daja77> re
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10:57 < esden> Aard: that is debian ... the terrible mess ...
10:58 < daja77> *gg* hi esden
10:58 < blindcoder> moin
10:58 < daja77> moin blindcoder
10:58 < blindcoder> bah, USB is slooo~w
10:59 < esden> moin blindcoder, daja77 
11:00 * -> esden off for IN
11:00 < blindcoder> at least SNMP works again since the reinstallation :)
11:00 < esden> cu guys
11:00 < blindcoder> esden: mom
11:00 < esden> ?
11:00 < blindcoder> esden: you come to Zaunerweiher with us?
11:00 < esden> when?
11:00 < blindcoder> around 14:30 we meet at St. Markus
11:01 < esden> hmm ... I would like to ... but my parents want that I go with them ...
11:01 < blindcoder> hrm... okay
11:01 < esden> I will call you l8er
11:01 < blindcoder> okay
11:01 < blindcoder> baba
11:01 < esden> now I have to leave
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11:26 < rxr> hi
11:26 < rxr> *lol* I submitted a patch to the XFree folks and got this back:
11:26 < rxr> Sorry but code under the GPL cannot be considered for inclusion in
11:26 < rxr> XFree86.
11:26 < rxr> Please put your patches under the MIT or BSD license.
11:26 < rxr> See <http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/LICENSE1.html> for an sample license
11:26 < rxr> (The one used on files owned by the XFree86 project itself).
11:27 < rxr> Wow - I had to relicense this one-liner to get it applied ... ;-)
11:47 < daja77> hehe
11:48 < daja77> hi rxr
11:48 * daja77 testing rock desktop featrures, some problems there :(
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12:16 < daja77> hi Ge0rG
12:16 < Ge0rG> hi
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13:07 < raffi> hi
13:11 < rxr> hi raffi
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14:43 < rxr> rev 480
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14:56 < rolla> re
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15:35 < Robin_Root> hi
15:45 < rxr> hi Robin_Root
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17:20 < rxr> I hate this damn 2.4 kernel with this fucked VM ...
17:20 < Freak> http://p508b12a3.dip.t-dialin.net/~freak/guckmal/screenshots/20030609_17.06.46.jpg http://p508b12a3.dip.t-dialin.net/~freak/guckmal/screenshots/20030609_17.10.22.jpg
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17:34 < SMP> rxr: if you have a second, can you try if :help works in latest dRock beta gvim?
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17:49 < martin> hi
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18:17 < rxr> SMP: seems to work on my iBook
18:17 < rxr> SMP: oh mom - still 6.1 on the iBook ...
18:18 < rxr> Freak: which distribution is this on your Macintosh ?
18:19 < rxr> hi martin
18:19 < SMP> rxr: have you ever wondered why gvim refuses to find gtk2? the conftest.c does not even fail
18:19 < rxr> SMP: erhm - no never took a look ...
18:20 < SMP> I'm trying to find out - but that's difficult without an error message :>
18:21 < Freak> rxr: debian sid
18:21 < rxr> Freak: did you had any rt
18:21 < rxr> oops
18:22 < rxr> trouble to get mol running?
18:22 < Freak> well yes but that was user error.
18:22 < rxr> hm
18:22 < rxr> Freak: how fast is mol for you?
18:23 < rxr> SMP: hm just installed a vim-6.2.gem on the iBook and it is linked against gtk-2.2 and :help works, too ...
18:24 < rxr> hm - or gtk-2.0 ??: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
18:24 < rxr> anyway ...
18:24 < SMP> hmm. maybe I should not try that stuff on the 1.7-snap from March ;-O
18:24 < Freak> rxr: i dont have applications to test speed but it looks like the same.
18:24 < Freak> rxr: but it wont boot / locks up if you have a dvd inserted / insert one
18:25 < rxr> ?
18:25 < rxr> hm
18:25 < Freak> and some of the graphics-card-driven effects dont seem to work
18:25 < Freak> i mean
18:25 < Freak> real transparency works
18:25 < Freak> minimization-effect works
18:25 < Freak> shadow works
18:25 < daja77> re
18:25 < Freak> but the zoom-effect you have in those screensavers in osx dont work
18:26 < rxr> For me it starts to boot - but I do not get to the welcome screen - just "hangs" somwhere when this bar circles around ...
18:26 < Freak> so i suppose thats hardware-driven
18:26 < rxr> I would be happy if it boots fully ...
18:26 < rxr> Freak: how old is your iBook and MacOS-X (exact version would be nice ...)
18:27 < Freak> remove all drives from molrc.osx besides the ones you need and dont have dvd inserted, I havent tried cdrom so far tho.
18:27 < daja77> rxr: I tried to install rev 443 on my sister's laptop, but the pcmcia driver seem to be missing
18:27 < Freak> my _powerbook_ is 16 days old and osx is 10.2.6 (latest)
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18:27 < martin> hi rxr
18:28 < rxr> daja77: I also had some strange unresolved symbols in the last kernel builds in the pcmcia and irsa area - I'll take a look the next time I expereice them (but we already cleaned the kernel configs even further ...)
18:28 < rxr> hi martin
18:28 < martin> rxr: Is there new ppc rock isos?
18:29 < daja77> hmm strange thing is you can't probe any pcmcia device, ok will recompile kernel later
18:30 * daja77 now off for entertainment
18:30 < Freak> rxr: do you have an ibook?
18:31 < rxr> Freak: jups just working on it ...
18:31 < Freak> ah
18:31 < rxr> martin: not yet - this box is still compiling kernels ... - but I'll start testing new isos this evening ... (in some hours ...)
18:32 < rxr> Freak: ROCK on PPC is nearly polished/fnished ;-)
18:32 < Freak> :))
18:32 < rxr> Freak: do you ever connected an external wheel-mouse?
18:32 < Freak> yup
18:32 < rxr> (in Linux ?)
18:32 < Freak> works just in time
18:33 < Freak> (sure)
18:33 < rxr> which XFree version ?
18:33 < Freak> 4.3
18:33 < rxr> selfcompiled ?
18:33 < Freak> nah theres some debs by michael dänzer
18:33 < Freak> (iirc the name)
18:33 < rxr> which compiler version ?
18:33 < Freak> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-linux/3.3/specs
18:33 < Freak> Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f77,pascal,objc,ada --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/3.3 --enable-shared --with-system-zlib --enable-nls --without-included-gettext --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-java-gc=boehm --enable-java-awt=xlib --enable-objc-gc --disable-multilib powerpc-linux
18:33 < Freak> Thread model: posix
18:33 < Freak> gcc version 3.3 (Debian)
18:34 < Freak> whoops long output :)
18:35 < rxr> hm - I needed to fix XFree for the mouse-wheel ...
18:35 < rxr> just submitted the patch to the XFree folks ...
18:35 < Freak> yea I read the license thing :)
18:36 < rxr> strange that it works for you - maybe a comnpiler invariance ...
18:36 < rxr> is mol also compiled with gcc-3.3 ?
18:36 < Freak> i guess.. but better ask debian folk
18:37 < Freak> for i am just a user you know :)
18:37 < rxr> do you manually configured X ?
18:37 < Mike1> moin
18:38 < rxr> hi Mike1
18:38 < Freak> morning Mike1
18:38 < Mike1> :)
18:38 < Freak> rxr: actually I took a preconfigured XF86Config-4 for the powerbook
18:38 < rxr> the one on your homepage ?
18:38 < Freak> mine?
18:38 < Freak> hold on I guess thats my x86 on
18:40 < Freak> no
18:40 < Freak> the file is from april. i bought the pb two weeks ago.
18:40 < Freak> wanna have it?
18:40 < rxr> I'm only interested in the card section
18:41 < rxr> does it use the framebuffer for mode switching ?
18:41 < Freak> http://p508b12a3.dip.t-dialin.net/~freak/guckmal/XF86Config-4.pb12
18:42 < rxr> doesn't the de keyboard layout suck?
18:42 < Freak> i dont know but mol didnt run in full-screen w/o fb activated (I had it deactivated because benh10's fb doesn't redraw)
18:42 < Freak> it was pain in the ass configuring it if you mean that..
18:43 < rxr> ah nvidia chip forgot this - I have a Radeon here ...
18:43 < Freak> ack
18:43 < Freak> didnt think of that either.
18:43 < rxr> Freak: no I mean the de keyboard layout - is this layout useable on an iBook on debian?
18:44 < Freak> but if you want me to test things here... I'll have time from next sunday on :)
18:45 < Freak> rxr: do you mean "qwertz layout sucks, qwerty is much more 31337, I dont need umlauts"-like or do you mean "using @ and \ etc. on german layout on a mac on linux must be hard to get working"?
18:46 < rxr> I mean the later - I had to patch the layout for the "uncommon" key to be reachable ...
18:46 < rxr> does it work out of the box on debian ?
18:46 < Freak> well it wasnt that hard
18:46 < Freak> no
18:46 < Freak> hold on
18:46 < Freak> http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/powerbook.de.php <- its so easy.. :)
18:55 < rxr> I modified less - but in the xkb tables ...
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18:59 < LocalHero> Hi all
19:00 < LocalHero> Anybody got beta 3 isos ready
19:01 < rxr> LocalHero: sure I have binaries for evey release I tag. But I have not yet the disk-space to upload them
19:02 < rxr> the two disks arrived - but I first install tomorrow the new disk into the server
19:03 < rxr> ^- during the weekend and public holidays I can not get to the server in the university ...
19:04 < martin> rxr: Are you tomorrow in the university?
19:05 < rxr> yes - at leat to install the disk ...
19:05 < martin> and copy drock on my ibook, please.
19:08 < rxr> hm
19:10 < martin> rxr: hm, hmmm
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19:17 < tcr> moin all
19:18 < rxr> martin: I would like test tonight more - I need to send a CD out tomorrow ...
19:21 < martin> rxr: Is only, because debian does not really run (no X).
19:21 < rxr> could you maybe come over the next hours - and if my iBook has not yet compiled the packages either stay more hours or lend me your iBook for the night ?
19:22 < rxr> (I do not want to reinstall my iBook - but need one to test ...)
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19:26 < Freak> rxr: why not use mol and an image for linux?
19:26 < Freak> i havent tried it so far but if I understood the manpage correctly, that should work :)
19:27 < Mike1> ping rolla
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19:29 < rxr> Freak: because mol was not yet running correctly for me ...
19:29 < martin> rxr: It's okay. I drive only 8 minutes with the bicycle.
19:29 < rxr> Freak: btw: do you also get many "floating point used in kernel" messages when running mol? (in the syslog?)
19:30 < rxr> Freak: but for the long term this will be my new prefered way to test/debug rock install cd (since vmware sucks so much)
19:30 < Freak> uhm ntik
19:30 < rxr> martin: so you will come over, later?
19:31 < rxr> Freak: could you take a look? And is xemacs / emacs shipped with debian ppc?
19:31 < Freak> rxr: well you might use bochs but I guess mol works better. I *guess*
19:32 < martin> rxr: now? at 20 o'clock, is okay?
19:32 < rxr> Freak: I trid bochs - but it is dog slow! only less then 1% speed of the host cpu!
19:32 < Freak> rxr: nothing at all in the last output.
19:32 < Freak> rxr: ACK ;)
19:32 < Freak> rxr: but its an ambitious project :)
19:32 < rxr> martin: anytime is ok - but I'll not yet have the ISO ready - I still fix the latest not compiling parts of the kernel ...
19:33 < rxr> vut you can take a look on this smoothly running ROCK on my book - and/or take some juice or beer ... ;-)
19:33 < rxr> Freak: yes - quite nice. But they need to do some real visialization to gain some speed ...
19:33 < Freak> rxr: yes *emacs is being shipped. in sid at least. but you might wanna take a look for yourself at packages.debian.org
19:33 < rxr> Freak: bochs runns quite nice - only really really slow ...
19:34 < rxr> Freak: strange I had to fix xemacs to compile here - I have not yet fixed emacs.
19:34 < Freak> rxr: will you be at lt again?
19:34 < Freak> rxr: most packages in debian run on all archs.
19:34 < rxr> I really wonder why so less people contribute fixes back to the projects ...
19:35 < rxr> Freak: yes - for ROCK, too. Only that this debian guys nearly never seem to contribute the fixes back ...
19:35 < rxr> Freak: sure - I'll be at LinuxTag ;-)!
19:36 < Freak> but there's no rock booth or am i missinformed?
19:36 < martin> rxr: is okay.
19:36 < rxr> Freak: there should be a ROCK booth ...
19:37 < rxr> Freak: is there a browseable "aussteller liste" ?
19:37 < rxr> martin: could you post here when you start cycling over? I wanna shower first ...
19:37 < Freak> rxr: there is in joey's infodrom.. a sec.
19:38 < martin> rxr: okay :-)
19:42 < rxr> Freak: so your powerbook uses the apple key as multi-key to reach the 3rd 4th level key-symbols ?
19:43 < Freak> yea
19:43 < rxr> wouldn't you liek the alt key - like in macos - more ?
19:43 < Freak> actually no
19:44 < Freak> btw it doesnt behave like alt until i press fn additionally..
19:44 < Freak> alt+x doesnt open menu _X_-Chat. Fn+Alt+X does.
19:44 < Freak> any idea?
19:45 < rxr> why dont you wanna use the alt key?
19:45 < Freak> im more used to using alt+gr
19:45 < Freak> -+
19:46 < Freak> and right apple key lies just like right altgr :)
19:47 < LocalHero> rxr, oki
19:47 < rxr> for the alt key I would need to take a look into the xkb maps ...
19:49 < rxr> I guess it has  Meta in the first level and Meta on the 2nd ...
19:51 < rxr> martin: /me is just showering - so cu later ...
19:51 < n00kie> rxr: Are you there?
19:51 < n00kie> ah
19:51 < rxr> n00kie: erhm - yes - just leaving shortly ...
19:53 < rxr> n00kie: you had an question?
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20:01 < LocalHero> is there an easy way to check for diskspace in bash?
20:02 < tcr> df
20:02 < rxr> LocalHero: what do you mean?
20:02 < SMP> "check"?
20:02 < n00kie> df -h
20:02 < LocalHero> rxr, like if you want to say, xxx free
20:02 < n00kie> du -h
20:03 < LocalHero> i want to put it in a variable
20:03 < tcr> LocalHero: either use df or, less portably, some proc file
20:03 < rxr> df in combination with some brace expansion / sed/cut ...
20:03 < rxr> and or tr ...
20:04 < tcr> Though if you really want to gain portability then make sure you aren't using some GNU stuff of df
20:04 < LocalHero> Yupp that was what i planed to do but i just woundered if somebody had some magic command that would skip that part
20:05 * rxr showering ...
20:16 < Freak> oh that reminds me of..
20:17 < Freak> rxr: what you asked me for some time ago, a complete list w/ project-exhibitors at lt2k3 (and rock is on it, must have overlooked it before):  http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/LinuxTag2003/projects.php3
20:19 * martin is away, rxr, I'll wil come ...
20:19 < rxr> re
20:20 < rxr> ok cu martin
20:20 < rxr> thanks Freak
20:20 < n00kie> rxr: Can it be, that the website/packages contains a few dependency errors?
20:21 < n00kie> I can't believe, that Irssi needs gnome 1.4 libs...
20:23 < n00kie> damn :), sorry, my fault...
20:25 < rolla> grr
20:25 < rolla> SCO is dumb
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20:59 < Robin_Root> hi
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21:35 < owl> hi :)
21:35 < owl> greetz from spain
21:35 < Mike1> owl: tsts, you should say "Saludos desde Espana" :)
21:35 < owl> Mike1: bllll :p
21:36 * owl 's spanish is extremely bad
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21:38 < rolla> owl: you are in espaina
21:39 < owl> rolla: yeah. and the first thing i searched for where inetcafes ;p (and i found 4 of them... about 200 - 1500 metres around the hotel ;)))
21:39 < owl> i won't go back to germany ;p
21:43 < tcr> owl: Yeah, save us! ;)
21:44 < owl> tcr: ah my beloved friend. how do you feel? ;) also too you: greetz
21:45 < tcr> I'm a bit annoyed... bavaria got one and a half weeks holiday, me did only today
21:45 < owl> tcr: hahahaha ;p
21:45 < Freak> owl: you're not coming back?
21:45 < Freak> yes!
21:46 < Freak> victory!
21:46 * owl lehnt sich entspannt zurück, hört das meer rauschen und lacht ueber tcr and Freak
21:46 < owl> Freak: ...
21:46 < Freak> tell me if you need me to send you money so you can stay where pepper grows
21:46 < Freak> for another german schprichwort has been denglished ;)
21:46 < rolla> :)
21:46 < owl> Freak: ok. the number of my swiss account is [...]
21:53 < daja77> re
21:53 < owl> hi daja77
21:54 < daja77> hi owl O_o
21:54 < owl> daja77: *lol*
21:54 < daja77> good to see you laughing
21:54 < owl> daja77: yes ;)
21:55 < daja77> how many spanish boys you had already ;)
21:55 < owl> daja77: zero.
21:56 < daja77> oh c'mon ...
21:56 < owl> daja77: it's true
21:57 < owl> (btw, in Can Picafort are more "rentner" than "sand am meer" ;p)
21:57 < daja77> ok I guess you had lots of icecream, and lying at beach ...
21:57 < daja77> owl: hehe find a rich one
21:57 < owl> daja77: i had one ice... today... /me != hungry
21:58 < owl> daja77: and lying at the beach... and swimming - yes
21:58 < daja77> lucky girl ...
21:58 < owl> daja77: :p
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21:59 * tcr is convinced that owl is really addicted to the internet
21:59 < owl> tomorrow i will go horse-riding in the morning (10 o'clock *sigh) - in the afternoon: swimming, then in the late afternoon - having shower... and after that... "abendessen" and walking at the beach :)
21:59 < tcr> moin dreamind
21:59 < owl> tcr: hehe. and what about you? ;)
22:00 < dreamind> Hi tcr
22:02 < daja77> I guess owl just won't give us a two weeks rest here *gggg*
22:02 < tcr> Don't understand that sentence
22:02 < owl> daja77: hehe ;p i can't live without computers... or without inet...
22:03 < tcr> hm, might be related to the fact that I'm already quite sleepy. Intend to go in bed within the next ten minutes
22:03 < owl> O_o
22:03 < tcr> to bed
22:03 < owl> it's 22:02 !
22:03 < Mike1> yeah guys leave her alone, you know is not the same to be in spain with all that technology than back there in the woods.
22:03 < owl> and you're - s l e e p y?!!! wtf?
22:04 < daja77> hey Mike1
22:04 * Mike1 wento to bed at 18:00 on friday
22:04 < Mike1> hi daja77 :)
22:04 < daja77> Mike1: teach owl some spanish!
22:04 < owl> daja77: yes... would be useful...
22:04 < tcr> Well, have been in bed at ~2:00 the last three days, and woke up at ~9:00 -- and tomorrow there's school again, so..
22:05 < Mike1> daja77: no, she is in spain, she _will_ learn no worries
22:05 < daja77> so ... gn8 tcr
22:05 < owl> gn8 tcr
22:06 < tcr> Immer langsam..
22:06 < owl> *hrhr*
22:06 < daja77> a horse riding owl, what a thought
22:06 < tcr> daja77: well better then latino riding, no?
22:07 < daja77> *ggg*
22:07 < owl> *rofl*
22:07 < owl> (20 minutes remaining... for 2 mbit... 3 euro... quite ok)
22:07 < daja77> the latino killer lady ...
22:08 < tcr> huh? cost per mbit?
22:08 < tcr> That's uncommon in germany at least, isn't it?
22:08 < daja77> ahem you are really tired I guess
22:08 < owl> tcr: nope... 2mbit-standleitung... 1:15 hours --> 3 euro
22:09 < daja77> thats's what I read in it too
22:09 < tcr> Oh.. indeed misread that
22:10 < tcr> Shit happens after all
22:10 < daja77> and every day
22:10 < tcr> What is, by the way, the only reason for the existence of owl
22:10 < tcr> Gosh, now I'm really nasty
22:10 < daja77> ack
22:11 < owl> tcr: you#re always nasty...
22:11 < daja77> anyway I could do one of two things to0night, starting a new build or installing rev 443 to that box, just don't know ...
22:11 < tcr> She's far away for fortune... And I bet she missed her vodoo equipment, so I'm saved
22:12 < owl> tcr: voodoo equipment? *loooooooooool*
22:12 * owl takes a "abbild of tcr" and puts needles in it
22:12 < daja77> owl is haunting you in your dreams
22:13 < daja77> hehe take his matrix picture from the homepage ..
22:13 < owl> daja77: or so.. yeah
22:14 < daja77> owl: you are there with your parents right?
22:15 < owl> leave...
22:15 < owl> bye
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22:15 < daja77> bye wol
22:15 < daja77> damn
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22:37 * daja77 decided todo the install
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22:54 < Mike1> Ole Ole Ole Ole... Costa Rica ! Costa Rica!
22:54 < mnemoc> :(
22:54 < Mike1> Ole Ole Ole Ole!!
22:54 < Mike1> :PP
22:54 < Mike1> :PPP
22:55 < Mike1> hi mnemoc :)
22:55 < mnemoc> hi Mike1:(
22:55 < Mike1> mnemoc: i was really waiting to see you
22:55 < Mike1> :)
22:55 < mnemoc> i know ;)
22:56 < Mike1>  Costa Rica 1 - Chile 0
22:57 < Mike1> http://www.nacion.com/ln_ee/2003/junio/08/portadag.jpg
22:57 < Mike1> :PP
22:57 < mnemoc> o_O
22:57 < mnemoc> CHANGING topic ;) ... hyave you tested samba3?
22:58 < Mike1> mnemoc: nope, but but did you knoe that Costa RIca kicked Chile's ass this weekend? :P
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22:58 < mnemoc> 1-0 is noot kicking ass ;)
22:59 < Robin_Root> hi
22:59 < Mike1> mnemoc: doesn't matter
22:59 < mnemoc> :(
22:59 < Mike1> Ole OLe Ole Ole OLe ... Costa Rica ! Costa Rica!
22:59 < daja77> hehe Mike's revenge
22:59 * Mike1 loving every second of it :)
22:59 < Mike1> daja77: :)
22:59 < mnemoc> i'm not :(
22:59 < daja77> I guess Chile gives them an advance ...
23:00 < Mike1> daja77: shut up!
23:00 < Mike1> :P
23:01 * Mike1 puts on "La camiseta de la Sele" :)
23:01 < Mike1> Ole Ole Ole .. Ticos! Ticos!
23:01 < Mike1> ok enought for today
23:01 < Mike1> mnemoc: how are you ?
23:02 < mnemoc> mmmm
23:02 < mnemoc> in silence
23:02 < Mike1> why?>
23:03 < mnemoc> because of your atack and my impossibility to give a good answer in english :(
23:03 < Mike1> BTW I'm not into soccer at all, but i'm really into bugging people, so, sorry mnemoc i just couldn't avoind it
23:03 < daja77> Mike the bugger
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23:03 < mnemoc> Mike is a bug ;)
23:03 < Mike1> i'm not a bug..
23:03 < Mike1> i'm _the_ bug
23:04 < daja77> but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all ...
23:04 < Mike1> :P
23:05 < mnemoc> Sir Mike The Bugger
23:05 * daja77 swapping data around, to upgrade my build box with rev 443
23:05 * Mike1 still wonders when we will have a stable release...
23:05 < rolla> cool daja77
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23:07 < Mike1> mnemoc: animate!
23:07 < mnemoc> :)
23:07 < Mike1> mnemoc: ROCK es lo que importa, el futbot no es nada :)
23:07 < mnemoc> sprite?
23:07 < Mike1> mnemoc: lol, nope, but i guess it sounded like it
23:08 < mnemoc> my develop box crashes and nobody picks the damn phone :(
23:08 < Mike1> mnemoc: poor Ale..
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23:08 < mnemoc> :'( snif snif snif
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23:35 < mnemoc> i'll guess 'microsoft-fonts' will be out of rock soon :-(
23:35 < Freak> hm?
23:36 < esden> re hi all
23:38 < daja77> hi esden
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23:48 < daja77> mnemoc: why?
23:49 < mnemoc> because of the stefan last post
23:49 < mnemoc> "Support for migrating from a Windows NT 4.0 domain to a Samba
23:49 < mnemoc> domain and maintaining user, group and domain SIDs" <-- wow
23:49 * daja77 checking mai
23:49 < daja77> l
23:49 < Aard> hi esden
23:50 < daja77> hey Aard
23:51 < Aard> hi daja77
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