--- Log opened Sat Jun 14 00:00:03 2003
--- Day changed Sat Jun 14 2003
00:00 < SMP> I'll include a chance in my mb patch
00:00 < rxr> Mike1: I thought about it - for internal stuff I need masquerate - so after some hacking and tcpdumping it seems to work now ...
00:00 < rxr> thanks
00:00 < rxr> mb stands for ?
00:00 < SMP> multibyte
00:00 < Mike1> rxr: excellent :)
00:01 < Mike1> mb != miguel bolanos? :P
00:01 < SMP> but I'm just pondering adding a selectable GUI type for vim. just GTK+2 is boring ;)
00:03 < daja77> Mike1: nope had to be mab then :P
00:03 < rxr> Mike1: ok - one last fix - now it works ;-)
00:03 < rxr> damn that was a difficult exercise ...
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00:10 < Mike1> rxr: ah well may be difficult still its fun. :)
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00:18 < SMP> hehe, vim motif gui looks really ugly
00:18 < daja77> what a surprise ...
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00:42 < daja77> n8 you all
00:46 < rxr> n8 daja77
00:46 < daja77> n8 rxr and thx for applying
00:47 < rxr> SMP: ./Create-ErrList from my current x86 build after the accidently log delete yesterday:
00:47 < rxr> Error logs from system-2.0.0-beta5-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop-expert:
00:47 < rxr>  [1] base/linux25                        [5] base/linux25
00:47 < rxr>  [5] rene/k3b                            [5] rene/imlib2_loaders
00:47 < rxr>  [5] rene/e                              [5] gnome14/galeon12
00:47 < rxr>  [5] rene/sylpheed
00:47 < rxr> 696 builds total, 471 completed fine, 7 with errors.
00:48 < daja77> hehe stable is nigh
00:48 < tfing> rxr: which compiler ?
00:48 < rxr> after fixing nssdb and some rockplug work I'll start the -rc series ...
00:48 < rxr> tfing: the default gcc-3.2.3
00:48 < tfing> ok
00:49 < rxr> I'll not mess with gcc-33 for now - I need to get stable on the way, and I have enought todo ...
00:49 < daja77> rxr: now 2.4.21 is out which helps a lot of getting stable ready I guess
00:50 < rxr> we already had 2.4.21-s.th. all the time ...
00:51 < daja77> I know >_<
00:52 < rxr> I think this does not matter too much - or should it?
00:52 < rxr> daja77: do you wanna hear a sed thing ?
00:52 < rxr> s/sed/sad/ ;-)
00:53 < daja77> yeah as soon as rtai patches exist for 2.4.21 realtime target can merged in
00:53 < daja77> ?
00:53 < rxr> I can not attent all LinuxTag days ...
00:53 < daja77> :((
00:53 < rxr> On the friday a good frind marries ...
00:53 < daja77> so you are only there on we and th?
00:54 < rxr> and obviously this is a once-in-a-life thing (at least often - and with this two people I guess it will be once-in-a-life thing ... ;-)
00:54 < daja77> have fun anyway
00:55 < rxr> I have not yet decided - the whole week will be very stessfull - the weekend before is the 50's bithday of my uncle - and since I'm not that often in Hannover I should join them (I guess ...)
00:55 * daja77 has an invitation to a marriage this august ...
00:55 < daja77> I like to celebrate other people's misery :)
00:56 < rxr> I consider driving to hannover the weekend before, then to Karlsruhe on Wed, back Th night, and back on Sa ...
00:56 < daja77> so you are dead on mo
00:56 < rxr> daja77: who cares? We need ROCK PR ...
00:57 < daja77> a dead rxr will raise a lot of pr *ggg*
00:57 < rxr> only when I die in the same way as Tron did some years ago some streets away ...
00:57 < rxr> will you attend LinuxTag?
00:58 < daja77> sure I even mailed ripclaw today (I was busy the last two days...)
00:58 < daja77> If he is as funny irl as in his mails, it will be fun to meet him
01:00 * daja77 thinks of asking a friend for a beamer...
01:01 < rxr> ;-)
01:01 < daja77> hey I could ask my father as well
01:01 < rxr> hopefully I get into the university tomorrow ...
01:01 < daja77> why?
01:02 < daja77> btw /me read 50% of the svn book today, I decided to use it for my studienarbeit code
01:04 < tfing> rxr: is there a new way to write custmain="mainfunc" like with hook_add or something ?
01:05 < rxr> daja77: to replace the server which fucked up today with the new one just standing and running beside me ...
01:05 < rxr> daja77: see ML ...
01:05 < rxr> tfing: erhm
01:06 < rxr> I think no - just write one _if you really need to ..._
01:06 < daja77> rxr: ah that one, ok
01:06 < daja77> so now I am really off
01:07 < tfing> i don't really need to, i just wanted to use the new convention if there were one
01:15 < rxr> daja77: n8 - sleep well
01:16 < SMP> rxr: hmm
01:16 < SMP> looking at my Rock/TODO you're at least two months away from an -rc1 ;>
01:19 < SMP> rxr: what about all the other kde-i18n-* packages available? anything wrong with packaging them as well?
01:19 * SMP is really anal about i18n and Unicode / UTF-8 support ;)
01:23 < rxr> SMP: why are you so anal about he i18n / UTF08 stuff ?
01:23 < rxr> I would not like 40 kde i18n packages
01:23 < rxr> I would rather package the one fat one including all ...
01:23 < SMP> well
01:24 < SMP> how about making one kde-i18n package and a ROCKCFG selection for which locales should be included?
01:24 < rxr> SMP: urghs - quite a few people will modify it anyway ...
01:25 < rxr> I mean there is a kde-i18n-all tar-ball including all ....
01:25 < SMP> Rock philosophy says, one size does not fit all ;-)
01:26 < rxr> yeah - but maintaining 30 kde i18n packags is a pain ...
01:27 < rxr> (but it inceased our package count ;-) nice PR arguement ...
01:27 < SMP> that's why I say, one kde-i18n packages with a customizable selection of locales
01:28 < rxr> do you code this? Or do I need to do this??
01:29 < SMP> well it should not be too hard to do for me after my experiments with customizing the vim packages
01:29 < SMP> s,s$,,
01:31 < rxr> it isn't too hard - but I have enought in my TODO ...
01:32 < SMP> of course
01:34 < SMP> do you know if I can select certain locales from the big kde-i18n-${ver}.tar.bz2?
01:36 < rxr> I guess one need to do this manually (make install in one dir or equivalent ...)
01:37 < rxr> SMP: btw: I like small patches one after one instead one 400kB patch ,,,
01:41 < SMP> what makes you say that to me?
01:48 < SMP> hmm, the big kde-i18n does not really seem complete, compared to the split packages
01:49 < SMP> ahh, no, there it is. took a while to extract
01:50 < rxr> SMP: I only had the feeling that I receive a multy hundret kB patch in the next weeks ...
01:50 < SMP> no ;(
01:50 < SMP> s,(,),
01:50 < SMP> but it might happen once I get hold of a beta4 built ;-))
01:55 < SMP> *cough* it's > 700MB unpacked
01:58 < SMP> somehow I think 40+ separate kde-i18n-* packages would be better ...
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03:13 < mnemoc> rxr?
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09:33 < Auzain> morgen
12:00 < rxr> jo mnemoc
12:15 < daja77> moin
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14:09 < rxr> mon daja77
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14:09 < rxr> this fsck university is not open today!
14:10 < rxr> those sleepy bastards ...
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14:14 < Auzain> tag
14:25 < daja77> hallo Auzain
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14:25 < rxr> hi daja77
14:25 < rxr> could you test if gsmp.tfh-berln.de works for you now ?
14:25 < daja77> hi rxr
14:26 < daja77> yes works
14:27 < rxr> could you try ftp, too?
14:27 < daja77> ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ works gets me the same page
14:28 < rxr> hm?
14:28 < rxr> You do not get normal ftp?
14:29 < daja77> no
14:30 < rxr> could you retry ?
14:30 < daja77> no change
14:30 < rxr> hm
14:31 < daja77> ahem you are trying to get ftp through iptables?
14:31 < Auzain> hi daja77
14:31 < rxr> yes - the nat and contract module for ftp are loaded ...
14:32 < Auzain> daja77: this week end I can tranlate now ;-)
14:33 < daja77> [dj@luggage dj]$ ftp ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/
14:33 < daja77> ftp: ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/: Name or service not known
14:33 < daja77> ftp>
14:33 < daja77> Auzain: fine
14:34 < Auzain> but not under rock...
14:34 < daja77> the translation, *shrug* doesn't matter :)
14:36 < rxr> daja77: traceroute gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
14:37 < daja77> traceroute works, but no ftp protocol
14:38 < rxr> oops blocked by firewalll ...
14:38 < rxr> daja77: retest ;-) ?
14:39 < daja77> ftp: ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/: Name or service not known
14:41 < daja77> rxr: why not offering the downloads via http instead of taking all this pain just for one weekend
14:41 < rxr> they are available via http ...
14:42 < daja77> so what's the matter
14:42 < rxr> I just want to set it up correctly ... (it would be not nice if half of the links are not working due to ftp:// used ...)
14:42 < daja77> yeah but it is only thios weekend, life sucks :)
14:43 < rxr> it is really unbelieveable that those lazy people sleeping all the day can not let me place the new server on a saturday morning ...
14:43 < rxr> daja77: I know more about routing and iptables after this ;-)
14:43 < daja77> hehe sure
14:44 * daja77 off for shopping now
14:50 < rxr> ok - so no ftp ...
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15:08 < Auzain> reretag
15:11 < Auzain> rxr: immer noch da?
15:11 < rxr> Auzain:yes
15:12 < Auzain> do you know what to do for kdemultimedia with kernel > 2.4.20
15:12 < Auzain> I don't find help about
15:13 < rxr> yes fixing either the kernel header or kdemultimedia
15:13 < rxr> I take al ook
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15:35 < Kwiep> :)
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15:41 < rxr> hi kasc
15:41 < rxr> hi Kw
15:41 < rxr> hm#
15:45 * daja77 now off to my sister installing winxp and rock
15:45 < rxr> daja77: have fun
15:46 < daja77> I'll have at least with the latter I guess
15:46 < daja77> using my rev 443 iso ;)
15:46 < rxr> ;-)
15:47 * daja77 subversion fan :))
15:47 < rxr> valentin needed two days to updated his fathers box to soem win-xp or 2000 - and getting all those damn apps to run again ... ;-)
15:47 < rxr> daja77: nice ;-) It gets broing to hear tcr's Subversion sucks all the time ...
15:48 < daja77> we only need a basic system so that she can use her application for chemical research on it, the rest is done in rocklinux anyway
15:49 < daja77> yesterday I read half of the svn book, and I know that I never want to use cvs again
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15:49 < alexander> Hi all :)
15:49 < daja77> cu later
15:49 < alexander> ./scripts/Update-Src gives this error on my system
15:49 < alexander> rsync: failed to connect to www.rocklinux.org: Connection timed out
15:49 < alexander> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(83)
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15:55 < rxr> alexander: rsync is quite depricated and might be complete removed due to the useage od SCM these days ...
15:55 < alexander> rxr, hmm, oki then maybe someone should remove the script :)
15:56 < alexander> What should i run. The toppic of this irc channel suggest cliffords 1.7 or yuor 2.0
15:56 < rxr> alexander: I did not know that Clifford disabled rsync - we will discuss this soon.
15:56 < rxr> my 2.0 is the stable tree
15:56 < alexander> I think we have a version thing do discuss. To many versions and nobody knows anything about them :=)
15:56 < rxr> see www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20
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15:57 < alexander> oki. then i svn your tree
15:58 < alexander> is svn subversion?
15:59 < rxr> yes
15:59 < alexander> rxr, great, thanx :)
16:26 < alexander> rxr, know anyway to speedup svn
16:27 < rxr> alexander: hm? speedup svn - what do you mean?
16:27 * rxr back in some minutes ..
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16:27 < alexander> rxr, it takes a while for it to get all files. Like if it could take all files instead of one by one?
16:27 < alexander> rxr, or something :)
16:50 < alexander> ahh finaly done :)
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17:33 < rxr> re
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17:35 < tcr> daja77: ping
17:41 < tfing> rxr: the http://ftp.leo.org mirror is not up to date
17:43 < rxr> tfing: yes ....
17:44 < tfing> hmm, cannot find a mirror which has cdrtools-2.0.3 in fact :/
17:46 < rxr> yes - I'm just configuring some of the the stuff needed for mirroring
17:46 < rxr> currently the mirrors fetch the stuff from cliff's 1.7 tree
17:47 < rxr> but we need a stable and unstable source tree
17:47 < tfing> ok
17:47 < rxr> and I had not yet the time to get into it ... - but I do in this moment ...
17:48 < tfing> it's just that ftp.berlios.de has decided to go down when i want to download cdrecord ...
18:01 < rxr> tfing:
18:01 < rxr> rsync -vr rsync://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-src-20/base/cdrtools .
18:01 < rxr> tfing: does it work ?
18:01 < tfing> i found one mirror in fact
18:01 < rxr> tfing: could you test anyway ;-)?
18:01 < tfing> yep, of course
18:02 < tfing> it works
18:03 < rxr> ok thanks
19:22 < mnemoc> re
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19:23 < mnemoc> rxr are you here?
19:43 < rxr> mnemoc: zes
19:44 < mnemoc> did you see the error on linux2[45]? seems new versions are deleting the 'magic symlink's
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19:44 * rxr debugging mine ...
19:45 < mnemoc> that's why i ask you... 6 hours to see if a patch works is too much
19:46 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I
19:47 < rxr> 'll fix this - but can I debug a very very high priority mine segmentation fault first ? ;-((
19:47 < mnemoc> sure
19:48 < rxr> this gas thing really need to get more reliable ...
19:48 < mnemoc> mine segfaults allways or in one specific case?
20:05 < rxr> no in not so common cases
20:05 < rxr> normally it runs fine - just when s.th. unexpected happens. Plain old C style progs ...
20:06 < mnemoc> i found it.... :) /lib/modules/2.4.21-2.4.21-rock
20:08 < mnemoc> rxr: you could use gc6.1 to found memory-leaks on mine
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20:20 < rxr> currently I only track real logical and unhandled situtation bugs ..
20:20 < rxr> mnemoc: i could also use valgrind ...
20:20 * rxr thinks the next gasgui will be coded in C++ by me ...
20:21 < mnemoc> is it that badly coded?
20:23 < mnemoc> or do you just have plain c?
20:24 < mnemoc> s/have/hate/
20:24 < mnemoc> valgrind looks cool :-) thanks for the tip
20:25 < rxr> I do not like C that much ...
20:26 < rxr> but I do not really hate it ...
20:26 * tcr is installing an old 1.5.18 release to soonly build a new 2.0 on top of it
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20:32 < Robin_Root> hi
20:32 < mnemoc> hi Robin_Root
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20:57 < tcr> Humm
20:58 < rxr> this damn ddd is very fscked ...
20:58 < rxr> the next time I'd rather use kdevelop or insight to debug gasgui ...
20:59 < tcr> the bios tells me a different geometry of my hdd than fdisk does
20:59 < tcr> what now?
21:00 < rxr> normally just ignore ...
21:02 < tcr> I did, but lilo reports some warning, and after I booted, fdisk failed
21:02 < tcr> erm fsck failed
21:04 < tcr> df gives, of course, the information as the bios
21:10 < rxr> hm
21:11 < tcr> got no clue what I can do now
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21:12 * rxr refuses to use dd any longer
21:13 < rxr> how can people code such stuff?
21:13 * rxr waiting for insight to finish compile ...
21:53 * tfing laughs at the last mail on the mailing list
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22:12 * rxr fetchmailing ...
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22:13 < trillback> hey guys
22:14 < tcr> hello
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22:14 < Pita_pt> finnaly ive linux running
22:14 < Pita_pt> urraaaaaaaaaa
22:14 < rxr> looooooollll
22:14 < tfing> you have trillian under linux ?
22:14 < Pita_pt> not yet
22:15 < rxr> tfing: that is a good one ;-)!
22:15 < Pita_pt> well ive something running
22:15 < Pita_pt> ~i called it linux
22:15 < Pita_pt> LOL
22:16 < Pita_pt> so far I am only able to longin to the root
22:17 < Pita_pt> can some tell me what is the X11R6 ?
22:20 < Pita_pt> how can I install it now after I finish the installation of the default pakages ?
22:25 < tcr> rxr: could you create a tarball of the current 2.0 sources for me, please?
22:28 < netrunner> Pita_pt: cd /usr/src/rock-src; scripts/Build-Pkg <yourfavoritepackage>
22:29 < Pita_pt> thanks I will try that
22:29 < netrunner> Pita_pt: or prepackaged packages with mine -i <pkgfile> (iirc)
22:30 < Pita_pt> i didnt install this X11R6 package and I want to do it now
22:30 < netrunner> Pita_pt: you have a 2.0-something installed, don't you?
22:30 < Pita_pt> no
22:30 < Pita_pt> i ve the 1.4.0
22:30 < Pita_pt> pre 3
22:31 < Pita_pt> its an old machine it doesnt take 2.0
22:31 < rxr> tcr: I do not do extra tar-balls fro everyone - just use beta4 or a checkout ...
22:31 < netrunner> Pita_pt: oh, I only started with 1.6 ... there I used something like pkg-install / <packagefile>
22:36 < Pita_pt> hwo can I see the list of packages ?
22:37 < tcr> rxr: Yeah I actually wanted that, but I can't find the source tarball.. Where do you drop those?
22:43 < netrunner> Pita: insert cd, mount /mnt/cdrom; find /mnt/cdrom -name "*pkg"; send pizza; done
22:45 < rxr> tcr: it should be on the stable page:
22:45 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20
22:45 < rxr> ah they are
22:46 < rxr> so mine seems to be fixed ...
22:46 < tcr> Ah, thanks. You should point to that place in your announcement mails
22:46 < tcr> that place == directory where the sourceballs lay
22:48 < rxr> there are already enoght links in the mail - shouldn't the homepage with the links be enought ?
22:51 < tcr> Well, then say at least that sourceballs can be found there. I searched on schillernet and gsmp..
22:55 < rxr> tcr: but the homepage and all normal stuff is on the ROCK Linux page
22:55 < rxr> on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de are mostly fat binary ISOs
22:55 < tcr> yeah, but it's pretty slow
22:56 < rxr> and on schillernet the SVN repository + automatic generated additional info like latest .gem files, regression tester ...
22:56 < rxr> tcr: currently all this is slow - because it hangs on my private DSL line!
22:57 < tcr> no wonder then
22:57 < rxr> normally the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de box is connected with 155MBit/s via the DFN - but since the damn fscked x86 broke Friday I had to replace it - but today those lazy chair-sitters at the university did not wanted to let me to the server room
22:57 < tcr> hehe ;)
22:58 < rxr> so I just configured a normal workstation at the university to have an alias on the gsmp IP and redirect all the traffic home ...
22:58 < rxr> on monday the box will have a 100MBit/s connect on a 155Mbit/s backbone again ...
22:59 < rxr> and the SVN repo is only on my box, because I have a 4 disk RAID here ... - it will be replicated to the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server as soon as I have free time to hack this ...
23:28 < rxr> oO - my DSL line is quite higly saturated ...
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