--- Log opened Thu Jun 19 00:00:08 2003
--- Day changed Thu Jun 19 2003
00:00 < daja77> gn8 you all
00:02 < Mike1> n8 daja77
00:07 < mnemoc> n8 daja
00:07 < Mike1> mnemoc: so what kind of hardware you gonna get?
00:08 < mnemoc> get? .... hard
00:08 < Mike1> mnemoc: you said you would change hardware
00:08 < mnemoc> i'll try to get a vmware or like in a p2
00:08 < Mike1> i see
00:08 < mnemoc> i said i need to change hardware
00:09 < Mike1> ah ok
00:09 < mnemoc> the whole place is sponsored by microsoft :|
00:09 < Mike1> mm...
00:09 < Mike1> so cheat :)
00:09 < mnemoc> so connectix' virtual pc (now MS Virtual pc) could be the choice
00:09 < Mike1> mm...
00:09 < mnemoc> cheat or shit? ;)
00:10 < Mike1> cheat ... (has trampa)
00:10 < mnemoc> i know... jk ;)
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00:10 < mnemoc> i 'can' hiddenly use abandon hardware to linux
00:11 < mnemoc> i'm there to code :(
00:11 < Mike1> so run win on a vmware to code
00:11 < mnemoc> hehehe
00:11 < Mike1> :)
00:12 < Mike1> tell them you needed a stable os..
00:12 < Mike1> :)
00:13 < mnemoc> they 'think' i need *those* linux to vpn, but vpn is provided by the PIX
00:13 < Mike1> hehe :)
00:14 < Mike1> fsck the PIX, use linux
00:14 < Aard> 00:17 -eerdferk(~bwachter@aardchat.net)- User faul, level 200, pattern
00:14 < Aard>           immo@*.wlan.faul.bundessicherheitsministerium.de added and informed!
00:14 < Aard> arg, wrong window
00:14 < Mike1> Aardvark?
00:14 < mnemoc> Mike1: just imagine that p-mmx doing ipsec AND builing rock
00:15 < Aard> Mike1: wrong window. needed M e, but pressed M 3
00:15 < mnemoc> Aard: 'cute' domain
00:15 < Mike1> mnemoc: so tell them the mmx is not enough for the ipsec :)
00:15 < Mike1> Aard: hehe, wie gehts?
00:15 < Aard> mnemoc: not mine :(
00:16 < Aard> Mike1: muede. hab vorher 6h geschlafen :)
00:16 < Mike1> :)
00:21 * A-Tui is away: Aunque todo estÚ perdido, siempre queda molestar...
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02:24 < SMP> hmm
02:26 < Mike1> hi SMP :)
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03:44 < mnemoc> Mike1: will you publicly provide minimal-i386's iso?
03:45 < mnemoc> or 'just for known ppl'?
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06:34 < holyolli> moin
06:35 < mnemoc> moin
06:41 < holyolli> hi mnemoc
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07:15 < SMP> anyone with a beta4 or later build around?
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09:10 < daja77> moin
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09:11 < Auzain> moinmoin
09:11 < daja77> hi Auzain
09:12 < Auzain> I hope today I can download the second iso of drock...
09:13 < Auzain> yesterday I was disconnected, then gewitter(?)
09:13 < daja77> lightening
09:13 < Auzain> grrr
09:14 < Auzain> yes (must remember enlightenment)
09:14 < daja77> hehe
09:15 < Auzain> they who tested it, are enjoy, you know what about?
09:16 < daja77> after rene fixed them perhaps ;-)
09:18 < Auzain> good boy rxr :-)
09:20 < daja77> Auzain: do you come to Linuxtag?
09:25 * daja77 off now, cu
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09:55 < SMP> arrrgh, stupid glibc folks ž/%%=)"!
09:58 < blindcoder> moin all!
10:01 < blindcoder> "I too would play nethack while waiting, but Gentoo only has the X11 version"
10:01 < blindcoder> erm... no further comment :D
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11:09 < Robin_Root> Hi!
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11:25 < Robin_Root> Well bye
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11:33 < rxr> re
11:36 < netrunner> moin
11:43 < n00kie> Hola rxr, netrunner
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11:46 < morrighan> 7N
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12:23 < Freak> can I in a way build rock for ppc on x86?
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12:38 < esden> good morning everyone ;-)
12:43 < netrunner> hi esden
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13:16 < daja77> moin
13:21 < daja77> wtf three isos for rtrock
13:45 < netrunner> argl
13:46 * netrunner is desperately trying to get a foreigner here. those guys at the embassy eat crap ./
13:47 < daja77> ??
13:47 < daja77> brb
13:52 < Auzain> daja77: why don't I find drock download page?
13:56 < Auzain> links are always changing, today ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/unstable/
13:57 < Auzain> i hope it's the last time I try downloading this iso %-p
13:58 < daja77> Auzain: ask rxr
13:59 * Auzain weint
13:59 < Auzain> ne weinnt?
13:59 < Auzain> weihnt ?
13:59 < daja77> weint war richtig, aber warum
14:00 < Auzain> die 2. cd werde ich nie bekommen...
14:00 < daja77> achso weil rxr auf beta5 gewechselt hat?
14:01 < Auzain> ich hatte angefangen sie von etwas-berlin.de
14:01 < daja77> gsmp.tfh-berln.de ?
14:02 < Auzain> ja
14:04 < daja77> und wo ist das problem=
14:04 < daja77> ?
14:04 < daja77> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/2.0.0-beta4+fixes/
14:05 < Auzain> hab nix bekommen
14:06 < Auzain> ja da bin ich jetzt, war ein langer weg, die links in rocklinux sind bizar
14:06 < Auzain> musste uber rock-src
14:06 < Auzain> unter drock ist nur ne fast lehre seite
14:09 < daja77> was ist mit dem link, den ich eben geschickt habe, geht jedenfalls von hier aus
14:10 * daja77 waiting for rolla to complain
14:11 < Auzain> wenn man drock aufruft von der startseite geht's hier hin http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html, und dan?
14:13 < daja77> klick einfach auf den link, den ich dir angegeben habe
14:16 < daja77> crap linux25 doesn't compile in rev 561
14:17 < daja77> gefunden?
14:18 < netrunner> daja77: it does not for a while now...
14:19 < daja77> *argl* why do we need this 2.5 crap in stable anyway
14:19 < daja77> 2.5 is even selected for bootdisk *puke*
14:20 < daja77> I had a working 2.5 package already, damn that this build died due filesystem errors
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14:20 < LocalHero> Hi all
14:20 < daja77> hey LocalHero
14:21 < LocalHero> daja77, whazup?
14:21 < daja77> I am cursing about beta6
14:23 < LocalHero> daja77, cursing?
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14:23 < daja77> yes 2.5 package fails again, stealing cpu cycles, and shouldn't be in a stable release anyway
14:33 < daja77> damn kernel panic no init found, again this sucks
14:35 < Auzain> hab es gefunden, uber getting rock
14:35 < daja77> fine
14:36 < rolla> re
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14:37 < daja77> hi rolla
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14:41 < Freak> has there been any reply to my crosscompilation-question?
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14:54 < rolla> daja77: I am starting my build on my P4 today ;)
14:54 < daja77> beta6?
14:56 < rolla> ja
14:56 < daja77> good
14:56 < rolla> I am getting source right now
14:56 < daja77> have fun, or start cursing like me :)
14:56 < rolla> ?
14:57 < daja77> linux25 is borken
14:58 < rolla> bah
14:58 < rolla> that I don't care about yet
14:59 < daja77> hehe I know you disabled it anyway
14:59 < rolla> :)
14:59 < rolla> cause it is broken
14:59 < daja77> yeah but I don't know why it is in stable anyway
14:59 < rolla> only rxr knows for sure
15:00 < daja77> I'll ask him
15:00 < rolla> :)
15:01 < daja77> I already had a working linux25 package ...
15:14 * daja77 now burning rtrock isos
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15:15 < daja77> hi n00kie
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15:19 < daja77> msg for rolla
15:19 < daja77> == 06/19/03 15:20:25 =[7]=> Finished building package perl5.
15:19 < daja77> :)
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15:24 * SMP too stupid to use choice in rockdialog
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15:30 < daja77> Ge0rG: you here?
15:30 < daja77> SMP: ??
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15:38 < n00kie> Hi daja77
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16:01 < dreamind> Hi
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16:21 < rxr> re
16:21 < daja77> re rxr
16:22 * daja77 installing rtrock right now :)
16:22 < rxr> a new svn is out ?
16:22 < rolla> == 04:22:25 =[0]=> Building base/linux24-header [2.4.21 2.0.0-beta6].
16:24 < n00kie> wb rxr
16:25 < rolla> daja77: the build has started time to see how fast this P4 is ;)
16:25 < rxr> n00kie: I won't move stuff like apache or cups over (I maintain them) - but some of the rest you proposed can be moved over
16:25 < rxr> gkrellm*, too?
16:25 < rxr> (the -plugins thing)
16:25 < daja77> rolla: have fun
16:26 < n00kie> rxr: Alright, yes, you can add gkrellm-plugins too
16:27 < daja77> damn mirror detection
16:27 < rxr> daja77: why? The mirror detection should now using the new ROCK-20 mirro stuff
16:28 < rxr> daja77: doesn't it work ?
16:28 < daja77> rxr: why do we need 2.5.x in stable tree, and _why_ we need 2.5.x in bootdisk target?
16:28 < daja77> it works today surprisingly :)
16:29 < rxr> because it will become 2.6 stable in some months ... - and on some boxes it works weven better thtan 2.4 ...
16:29 < rxr> but you can select the default kernel ...
16:30 < daja77> 2.5 packages too often fails to compile ...
16:30 < daja77> but for bootdisk target?
16:30 < daja77> btw I hope that rock gets stable before 2.6 is out
16:31 < n00kie> yep daja77
16:33 < daja77> rxr: yes 0.24.2 is out
16:36 < rxr> daja77: rock 2.0 will be ready before linux 2.6 ...
16:36 < tfing> hopefully
16:36 < daja77> ;-)
16:36 < tfing> =]
16:37 < daja77> ah new mc included
16:43 < daja77> WEEE cd3 :)
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16:46 < rxr> weee what ?
16:47 < daja77> just happy ...
16:48 < daja77> installing cd3 now, can't await it :)
16:48 < daja77> btw http://www.livejournal.com/community/linux/397771.html?thread=2531787
16:50 < Mike1> moin
16:50 < daja77> moin Mike1
16:51 < rxr> hi Mike1
16:52 < Mike1> Ren, Daniel :)
16:53 < Mike1> Ren, Daniel :)
16:53 < Mike1> ..
16:53 < daja77> Mike1: I am testing rtrock now :)
16:53 < Mike1> daja77: cool
17:00 < n00kie> hola mike :)
17:00 < Mike1> hola n00kie
17:00 < Mike1> :)
17:01 < Mike1> n00kie: so will you take some of rene's packages to make your own repos?
17:02 < n00kie> Yes :)
17:02 < daja77> brb finishing install
17:02 < n00kie> have fun, daja77
17:03 < Mike1> n00kie: excellent
17:03 < n00kie> Rene was so nice and asked me :)
17:03 < Mike1> ich weiss..
17:03 < Mike1> :)
17:03 < daja77> waa wtf I got tons of unreslved symbols in every build
17:04 < Mike1> daja77: ?
17:04 < daja77> I got lots of unresolved symbols in kernel modules, in rock
17:05 < Mike1> m... this sucks..
17:07 < daja77> wtf mkinitrd: command not found
17:08 < Mike1> daja77: are you trying to boot ur install cd for rtai target?
17:09 < daja77> hehe not trying, install already finished, for same strange reason mkinitrd is missing, no initrd as well
17:09 < daja77> maybe the new build script don't like my 2.4.20 kernel ...
17:10 < Mike1> mm..
17:10 < Mike1> no idea, you didn't get any errors?
17:10 < Mike1> when building i mean
17:11 < daja77> lots ;-)
17:11 < Mike1> m...
17:12 < daja77> *argl*  [9] base/glibc23
17:12 < daja77> is on errlist
17:12 < Mike1> daja77: no furter questions :)
17:13 < daja77> this sucks!!!
17:13 < Mike1> brb
17:17 * daja77 cries
17:17 < daja77> syntax errors in glibc compile *gnaaarf*
17:24 < daja77> how can I set a netmask with stone?
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17:25 < Auzain> re
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17:29 < Mike1> daja77: don you understand the 192.168.5.3/24 or so?
17:29 < Mike1> don't*
17:29 < Mike1> daja77: /24 for example = 255.255.255.0
17:30 < Mike1> daja77: /16 = 255.255.0.0
17:30 < Mike1> i think you got my idea
17:31 < daja77> ah damn yes, forgot that, edited network script to work with ifconfiog, d'oh
17:33 < Mike1> !
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17:35 < daja77> anyway my head is empty now, I don─t even find that damn file where I can set which name resolution should be tried first
17:36 < Mike1> /etc/resolv.conf ..
17:37 < daja77> nah nsswitch.conf or so
17:38 * Mike1 uses /etc/resolv.conf to set dns..
17:38 < daja77> *hmpf* experimental mc releases tend to crash very often
17:38 < Mike1> daja77: btw nsswitch.conf is also in /etc
17:38 < daja77> not here :(
17:39 < Mike1> daja77: then create it...
17:39 < daja77> :P
17:39 < daja77> yeah sure I know all that crap formats *grml*
17:40 < Mike1> daja77: there is google..
17:40 < daja77> and there is redhat, on which I get such crap faster to work *hrhr*
17:41 < Mike1> daja77: well if you think you can't do it yourself, then sure install redhat
17:41 < Auzain> oh my god!
17:42 < Auzain> I have all 3 cds
17:42 < daja77> i don't say I can't do it, but it sucks that I have to do all this crap
17:42 < Mike1> Auzain: ?
17:42 < Mike1> daja77: patches are welcome you know... :)
17:42 < Auzain> if that will work...
17:42 < daja77> in fact i wanted to use rock to save time during install
17:42 < daja77> yeah sure, just don't ask me today
17:42 < Mike1> Auzain: sure it will work
17:43 < Auzain> I can believe it
17:43 < daja77> to some extend ;-)
17:43 < Mike1> daja77: come on man you are just pissed off, cool down
17:43 < Auzain> you know what: I'm happy :-)
17:43 < daja77> yes I am pissed, maybe I should just go home ...
17:44 < Mike1> Auzain: we are glad to hear that
17:44 < Mike1> daja77: take a shower :)
17:44 < Auzain> see you tomorrow
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17:49 < daja77> anybody else problems with glibc compile?
17:52 < Mike1> no.
17:52 < Mike1> :P
17:52 < daja77> *scheisse*
17:57 < daja77> ok name resolution works now
17:57 < Mike1> und glibc?
17:57 < Mike1> *ggg*
17:58 < daja77> glibc still fails to compile, somehow it made it to the system anyway
17:59 < daja77> I'll go home now, work on this box tomorrow
17:59 < Mike1> ok
17:59 < daja77> sorry for the inconvience
17:59 < Mike1> np :)
17:59 < Mike1> sorry for teasing you :P
17:59 < daja77> :P
18:06 < rolla> ugh
18:07 < Mike1> hi rolla
18:08 < rolla> hello
18:08 * rolla hates viruses
18:08 < rolla> == 06:08:45 =[2]=> Building base/binutils [2.14.90.0.4 2.0.0-beta6].
18:09 < rolla> Mike1: I have rock back on the P4 again
18:09 < rolla> much faster build machine
18:09 < Mike1> p4 0_o ??
18:10 < rolla> yeah my alienware box
18:11 < Mike1> nice :)
18:11 < Mike1> rolla: wasn't that ur playing box ? :)
18:13 < rolla> yeah
18:13 < rolla> XP is still on there but rock is there too
18:21 < rolla> damn perl will not build on this box
18:23 < Mike1> rolla: might be an optimization related issue
18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs: In function `ParseOpenInfo':
18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs:1370: warning: passing arg 2 of pointer to function from incompatible pointer type
18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs:1370: incompatible type for argument 4 of indirect function call
18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs:1370: too few arguments to function
18:24 < rolla> make[1]: *** [DB_File.o] Error 1
18:24 < rolla> Mike1: I am not trying to optomize
18:24 < rolla> make[1]: Leaving directory `/build/rock-trunk/download/base/perl5/perl-5.8.0/ext/DB_File'
18:25 < rolla> make: *** [lib/auto/DB_File/DB_File.so] Error 2
18:25 < rolla> I am just building it from source since it was not there to began with
18:25 < Mike1> rolla: mm..
18:25 < Mike1> rolla: is that box running rock?
18:26 < rolla> yes
18:26 < rolla> same as other boxes where I had to build perl and it was fine
18:27 < Mike1> maybe i can mail you one of my perl.gem files..
18:29 < rolla> maybe
18:29 < rolla> that would be nice
18:36 < rolla> does gcc 3.2 not like P4 ?
18:38 < Mike1> rolla: ok one moment
18:41 < Mike1> rolla: check www, the perl gem file is in my home dir, lots of fun my friend
18:41 < rolla> tahnks
18:44 < rolla> that sucks that I cannot build perl
18:44 < Mike1> da.
18:44 < Mike1> 250 builds total, 250 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:44 < Mike1> Minimal rocks :)
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19:53 < dreamind> hi
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20:12 < kritoke> how does rock linux compare to, lets say, gentoo linux?
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20:30 < cybermr> I am thinking bout giving rock linux a shot, what version of the iso should I get and do I need all the cds to install it?
20:31 < rxr> cybermr: 2.0.0-betaX - where X the newest available (currently -beta4+fixes)
20:31 < rxr> cybermr: sorry all cds ...
20:32 < cybermr> how is rock linux's install or lack there of? I was addicted to gentoo for a while, but am taking a slackware break right now, lol.  I swear I just have a hobby of installing linux
20:34 < rxr> cybermr: read the Documentation ...
20:35 < rxr> wither the textual included in the source - or the homepage
20:36 < rxr> or a very new from me where I describe the 2.0 instllation (for PowerPC):
20:36 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/install/drock-install-20-ppc.html
20:36 < rxr> (I'll just continue to write it now ...)
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20:38 < daja77> re
20:38 < cybermr> is this beta pretty stable?
20:41 * daja77 doesn't comment on this today
20:41 < cybermr> lol
20:41 < rolla> wow
20:41 < daja77> well let's say it is ok for a beta
20:42 < rolla> daja77: this is very true
20:42 < daja77> :)
20:42 < cybermr> are these iso's source as well or are they prebuilt?
20:42 < rxr> daja77: new problems?
20:42 < rxr> cybermr: for me it is very stable ...
20:43 < rxr> cybermr: the ISOs are prebuild
20:43 < daja77> rxr: yes glibc failed to compile
20:43 < cybermr> ahh
20:43 < cybermr> does this guide even come close to how 2.0 is?
20:43 < rxr> for the sources get a source tarball of ROCK (1 MB) and run ./script/Download -all (or -required=
20:43 < daja77> cybermr: don't worry the isos are not affected
20:43 < rxr> cybermr: nope the guide sucks (personal opinion ...)
20:44 < cybermr> lol, thats why everyone pointed me to it, lol
20:44 < rolla> == 08:42:11 =[5]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-beta6].
20:44 < rxr> daja77: what is your glibc combination? I never had problems? A special optimization or so ?
20:45 < rxr> (feel free to post daja77 - I read later - as uaual)
20:45 < daja77> pentium-mmx, rev 505 with 2.4.20 kernel
20:46 < rolla> daja77: do you know much about WIFI?
20:46 < cybermr> does one still run the Install script and such in 2.0?
20:46 < daja77> cybermr: no, run stone
20:46 < daja77> rolla: no
20:46 < daja77> what is WIFI
20:47 < rolla> wireless netwrok
20:48 < daja77> different to wlan?
20:48 < rxr> wireless fidelety ...
20:48 < rxr> nope just 802.x wlan fluff ...
20:48 < cybermr> will I still need to prepare all my drives and such or does that stone thing do it all for me?
20:48 < rxr> cybermr: stone helps you ...
20:48 < daja77> rxr: + glibc 2.3.2 gcc-3.2.3, compile stopped due systax error *hmpf*
20:48 < rxr> cybermr: ╬'ll add screenshots to the ppc docu I posted
20:49 < cybermr> k
20:49 < cybermr> how different is the ppc thing from x86 install wise?
20:50 < cybermr> beyond the whole setting things up in macos X?
20:51 < rolla> rxr do you know what wlan cards work best with linux?
20:51 < cybermr> that different way of representing the hard disks is gonna throw me off, so used to the old way /dev/hdx
20:54 < martin> hi all
21:00 < daja77> hi martin
21:01 < martin> hi daja77
21:01 < daja77> :)
21:03 < daja77> gn8 you all cu tomorrow
21:04 < martin> gn8 daja77
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21:27 < rxr> re
21:27 < rxr> rolla: see the schillernet.dyndns.org site
21:27 < rxr> there is a link to the wlan on linux overview ...
21:28 < Mike1> hi rxr
21:28 < rxr> hi Mike1
21:28 < rxr> daja77: rev 551 builds very fine here ...
21:28 < Mike1> rxr: its patch day :)
21:29 < martin> hi rxr
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21:32 < rxr> hi martin
21:33 < rxr> how is your iBook?
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21:34 < Mike1> hi joss
21:34 < martin> rxr: very good. But gdm das not work. And kdm will not start kde.
21:35 < joss> hi
21:35 -!- joss is now known as mart193
21:35 < rxr> martin: hadn't I tested the kdm kde start ? *wunder*
21:36 < rxr> Mike1: Patch day? Did you sent patches ?
21:36 < martin> rxr: kdm-> select "kde" -> and the X11 restart. No kde :(
21:36 < rxr> hm :-(
21:36 < Mike1> rxr: no, i will sent patches in a few hours
21:36 < rxr> Mike1: ok ...
21:37 < Mike1> rxr: today patches for base and some repos, tomorrow patches for gnome2 (many)
21:37 < rxr> hm - oki
21:38 < martin> But the gdm is broken. I can't enter some User at Login and so I must reboot from CD :-(
21:38 < mart193> anyone compiled kernel 2.5 for rock, if so how does it work?
21:39 < Mike1> mart193: as a rock package no, it brakes, downloaded and build from source yes,  it works
21:41 < rxr> Mike1: you need to mount /dev/pts on boot - I commited this to svn today ...
21:41 < rolla> rxr can I make the suggestion that 2.5 be disabled by default in rock 2.0 beta
21:41 < Mike1> rxr: ah okis :)
21:42 < rolla> == 14:38:31 =[5]=> Building miguel/evolution [1.2.4 2.0.0-beta5].
21:42 < Mike1> btw rxr how many more betas are you willing to release?
21:42 * Mike1 crossing fingers 
21:42 < rxr> rolla: no - I'll fix the package soon (In fact I already improved linux25 a lot)
21:42 < cybermr> is there any place that documents the various scripts that can be used in rock linux, like for updating and such?  I just want to make sure when I get this distro installed, I can get everything up and running and updated
21:42 < rxr> Mike1: only one
21:43 < Mike1> rxr: then we move to rc?
21:43 < rolla> rxr 2.5 is still a dev kernel
21:43 < rolla> I see no reason why I should have to disable a dev kernel to build
21:44 < rolla> if you want it turn it on when you download don't make all the people that dont' want it figure out how to disable it
21:44 < rxr> the -beta6 will be the last one - then we will have -rc's ...
21:45 < Mike1> rxr: Good boy. :)
21:45 < rxr> 2.5 is also progressing stable 2.6 - and in fact it works much better in many conditions that 2.4 ...
21:46 < rolla> so leave out 2.5 till 2.6 ;)
21:46 < cybermr> is the alsa being built into the kernel in 2.5 pretty good?  I would just love to have that, almost makes me think about going to the 2.5.x series, but I still worry bout it being unstable
21:47 < rxr> rolla: no - then it is not tested - we have to adapt all in one day, and people are not testing it <dot>
21:47 < rxr> cybermr: yes - ALSA works perfect in 2.5 ...
21:49 < Mike1> :)(
21:49 < Ge0rG> daja77: pong
21:50 < martin> gn8
21:53 < mart193> im struggling with sound, it very silent for me in beta4+fixes
21:54 < mart193> anyone has the same problem?
21:55 < cybermr> is the module loaded for the soundcard?
21:56 < mart193> yep
21:56 < mart193> snd-via82xx            10368   1 snd-ac97-codec
21:56 < cybermr> I hope when I move over to it, my sound works
21:57 < cybermr> you check to see if maybe its muted or something of the effect?
21:58 < mart193> from where to i check that ?
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21:59 < cybermr> I know when I installed alsa drivers in linux previously, I had to unmute the sound cards for my audigy
21:59 < mart193> ok, give a command or a program name that does unmuting :)
22:00 < mart193> maybe its the case
22:00 < cybermr> if its an alsa driver and you have alsa utils installed, you could do something like "amixer set Master 100 unmute" and "amixer set PCM 100 unmute"
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22:00 < cybermr> that would usually umute the master and pcm settings on the card
22:01 < cybermr> did the trick in the past
22:01 < cybermr> I think just typing amixer might show you the sound levels as well
22:02 < cybermr> there is an ncurses based mixer where you can do it without all the commandline mombo jumbo, think its just called alsamixer
22:03 < cybermr> did that work for ya?
22:04 < mart193> not yet
22:05 < mart193> xmms also seems to hang
22:05 < cybermr> ouch
22:06 < cybermr> wish more of the people in here were awake/alive
22:06 < cybermr> I have yet to use rock linux, just basing this off of previous linux knowledge
22:10 < mart193> what does MM mean on top of the pcm in alsamixer tool?
22:12 < cybermr> reading a thing on it, it says MM appears above a muted controller
22:13 < cybermr> so it sounds like PCM is muted
22:14 < mart193> ok thanx man, it ok now
22:14 < mart193> its
22:14 < cybermr> sound all worky?
22:14 < mart193> yep
22:15 < cybermr> awesome
22:15 < cybermr> XMMS still crashing? that may be a bug if it is
22:16 < mart193> its seems so :(
22:16 < mart193> ill try to compile noatun
22:17 < cybermr> you try different sound output options like oss or alsa in the configuration?
22:17 < cybermr> you may have to install an alsa xmms plugin
22:18 < mart193> hmm, you mean Sound & Multimedia > Sound System?
22:18 < rxr> xmms never in the last years crashed here ... ?!?
22:18 < cybermr> I never had xmms crash either
22:19 < cybermr> for me
22:19 < mart193> yes. its fixed now :)
22:20 < mart193> no crash anymore
22:20 < cybermr> awesome
22:21 < cybermr> makes me wonder why alsa seems to default a lot of the mixer settings to muted
22:21 < cybermr> can be a pain for those who have no clue how to umute it
22:29 < cybermr> burning the 3rd cd and then I am on my way to installing this distro finally
22:30 < mart193> but gimp still carshes              segmentation fault
22:31 < cybermr> :-(
22:31 < cybermr> you are really making me want to install this beta even more, lol
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22:31 < alexander> Hi all
22:31 < cybermr> greetings
22:32 < rxr> hi alexander
22:33 < cybermr> time to  give this distro a chance, gonna install the latest beta of rock, wish me luck
22:34 < alexander> cybermr, good luch :)
22:34 < rxr> mart193: because many cards have special channels that are really noise or crack during volume change, aldo microphones (e.g. often in laptops) cause feedbacks that are either unpleasant, or destroy the speakers ...
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22:44 < mart193> but the installation was painless all modules were autodetected :), so taking the speed into count, its a wonderful distro actually so waiting for first official release :)
22:45 < mart193> but how can i link part part1 etc. to /dev/hda /dev/hda1 etc.?
22:46 < rxr> mart193: if you really do want this take a look at:
22:47 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/devfs.html
22:47 < rxr> and /etc/devfs
22:47 < rxr> oops damn enter key
22:48 < rxr> and /etc/devfs* on your system (for the *COMPAT* entries or the general DevFS configuration)
22:48 < rxr> man devfsd devfs.conf might also help ...
22:48 < rxr> but you really do not need to have /dev/hda?
22:48 < rxr> just use /dev/discs/*
22:48 < rxr> and / or: /dev/ide/* /dev/scsi/*
22:49 < rxr> it is so much more sorted and readable ...
22:50 < mart193> yep, i noticed those directories, and symlinking does not work, so its not a problem actually, im used to it allready, I was just curious
22:51 < mart193> but no ide-scsi module  and cdburning software, at least i havent found yet
22:52 < mart193> cdrdao is there actually, but no arson or k3b or cdbakeoven
22:53 < mart193> rxr: how can i get this scripts directory?
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22:53 < rxr> mart193: hm?
22:54 < rxr> there should be xcdroast, gtoaster and k3b ...
22:54 < rxr> mart193: which ISO did you install ?
22:54 < rxr> which scripts directory ?
22:54 * Mike1 wonders where is mnemoc
22:56 < mart193> to get update, i read about that from rocklinux web page, even a ability to do isos by yourself, but havent found scripts directory
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23:03 < rxr> mart193: mom
23:07 < mart193> ok i can download it, but those scripts arent ment to do updates?
23:07 < rxr> one sec
23:08 < rxr> a source-tarball can be found on the rock20 page:
23:08 < mart193> so i should use "mine", or how to see packages available in rock servers
23:08 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20 (-- typos)
23:09 < rxr> if you want to keep the source up-to-date you need to checkout a working copy with the source control system we use
23:09 < rxr> subversion
23:09 < rxr> for intruction also consult the rock20 page
23:09 < mart193> ok, ill do that
23:11 < rxr> even more docu is in the Documentation directory of such a tar-ball or SCS working copy ...
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23:25 < rxr> me off to bed - cu
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23:32 < netrunner> re
23:40 < esden> huhu netrunner 
23:40 < netrunner> huhu esden :)
23:41 < netrunner> esden: my first packages got accepted :)
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