--- Log opened Sun Jun 22 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Sun Jun 22 2003
00:03 < Mike1> moin all
00:03 < Mike1> ping netrunner
00:03 < Mike1> ping rxr
00:07 < netrunner> Mike1: pong
00:07 < Mike1> netrunner: so xfree fixed?
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00:09 < netrunner> Mike1: yup. I am already at Job 5-kdegraphics31           builder (2067) since 23:36 2003-6-21
00:09 < Mike1> netrunner: have you submit the patch for xfree ?
00:09 < netrunner> Mike1: no, I thought you would :)
00:09 < Mike1> netrunner: i didn't knew if you had
00:09 < Mike1> else i will
00:12 < Mike1> netrunner: patch sent.
00:14 < netrunner> Mike1: good. I hope my build is finished tomorrow morning :)
00:14 < Mike1> netrunner: hehe
00:15 < Mike1> netrunner: building desktop target?
00:15 < netrunner> Mike1: no, generic.
00:15 < Mike1> netrunner: _nice_
00:16 < Mike1> netrunner: let me know of any other possible problems you may fuind in the future so i can try to help you
00:16 < netrunner> Mike1: I have a build time of about 48h per generic :)
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00:17 < netrunner> Mike1: I will put my errs on http://www.anvame.net/~andreas/rocklinux/index.html
00:17 < Mike1> netrunner: sweet.
00:54 < netrunner> Mike1: I've put the errs I had in my running build so far there also. Just in case you're bored tonight :)
00:54 < netrunner> n8 *
00:54 < Mike1> ok
00:56 < mnemoc_> Mike1: will you rebuild a minimal ;)
00:57 < mnemoc_> ?
00:57 < Mike1> mnemoc_: == 16:08:18 =[5]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-beta6].
00:57 < mnemoc_> you are on stage 5??!!
00:57 < Mike1> mnemoc_: does that answer ur question my friend?
00:57 < Mike1> mnemoc_: yes i started that build this mourning when i woke you
00:58 < Mike1> woke up*
00:58 < Mike1> around 4 hours ago.. :)
00:58 < Mike1> maybe 5 not sure.
00:58 < mnemoc_> mmm.... you DIDNT wake me up
00:58 < mnemoc_> your machine is amazing
00:58 < Mike1> i said when _I_ woke up
00:58 < Mike1> :)
00:58 < daja77> re
00:58 < Mike1> mnemoc_: that build is running on my laptop
00:58 < Mike1> :)
00:58 < Mike1> hi daja77, welcome back.
00:58 < mnemoc_> worst
00:59 < mnemoc_> wb daja
00:59 < Mike1> daja77: just as promissed, i am here
00:59 < daja77> thx Mike1 mnemoc_
00:59 < daja77> yeah you are
00:59 < daja77> is rxr still here?
00:59 < Mike1> just spoke to my gf she has an exam tomorrow sunday 8am (ROTL) so i stay around late today
00:59 < Mike1> daja77: i do not think so, i have been searching for him
01:00 < daja77> damn
01:00 < Mike1> daja77: perahps he come back in a while
01:00 < Mike1> mnemoc_: you should live closer to me
01:00 < Mike1> :)
01:00 < mnemoc_> :)
01:01 < daja77> everybody should live closer to Mike1
01:02 < Mike1> daja77: sure.
01:02 < Mike1> daja77: the parties we could do at my house :)
01:02 < daja77> yeah with lots of chicks ...
01:02 < daja77> I was at a party tonight
01:03 < Mike1> daja77: of course, chick, jolt, wlan, :)
01:03 < Mike1> :P
01:03 < daja77> in that order
01:03 < mnemoc_> mike will found a  sect
01:03 < daja77> the chick jolt wlan sect?
01:03 < Mike1> cjw sect :)
01:03 < mnemoc_> heheh
01:04 < Mike1> hehe
01:04 < Mike1> mom - coffee -
01:05 < daja77> but who needs chicks when there is wlan ...
01:05 < Mike1> lol
01:05 < mnemoc_> both are wellcome
01:05 < Mike1> btw i changed my mind i'm too hungry to have only coffee
01:05 < Mike1> i will get some thai food
01:05 < daja77> .oO he'll eat a cow
01:05 < Mike1> be back in 30 - 40 minutes
01:06 < daja77> thai food sounds great
01:06 < Mike1> daja77: yes, wanna come with me?
01:07 < daja77> nah I just wanted to ask rxr sth and then running new build and goin to bed
01:07 < Mike1> ok - gone eating - (a cow)
01:07 < daja77> :)
01:07 < Mike1> daja77: bed?
01:07 < Mike1> damn
01:07 < Mike1> daja77: i hope you are still around when i come back
01:07 < Mike1> i wanted to talk to you
01:07 < Mike1> anyways cya for now
01:07 < daja77> Mike1: can't say that for sure
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01:11 < daja77> hi bluefire
01:21 < rxr> tea consuming took longer ... :-)
01:26 < rxr> ping
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01:35 < daja77> hi rxr
01:35 < daja77> I was afk eating :)
01:36 < daja77> rxr: I thought over that version number bug, I thought this might be related with an old packages* file, or is this information cached somewhere else
01:46 < daja77> ah this sucks my router died again
01:47 * daja77 started build of rev 586
01:48 < daja77> I cleaned everything before hth
01:50 < rxr> back
01:51 < daja77> good!
01:51 < rxr> the Build-Target uses the information in build/.../root/var/adm/... for the CD information and package database ...
01:52 < daja77> ah damn, mom
01:53 < daja77> I did a Cleanup -full last time
01:54 < daja77> hey I can bring the borken isos to Linuxtag, we can dig into this, I don't have atm
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01:57 < daja77> hmm linux25 failed in blindy's build ;-)
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02:16 < daja77> Mike1: ??
02:19 < mnemoc_> the cow was big
02:19 < rxr> which cow ?
02:19 < mnemoc_> <Mike1> ok - gone eating - (a cow)
02:20 < daja77> yeah but why he tells me he wants to talk to me *gnarf*
02:20 < mnemoc_> to make you suffer
02:20 < daja77> >_<
02:22 < daja77> rxr: if this build fails to, I'll show the rev 443 iso in Magedburg
02:22 < daja77> too even
02:22 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you have a bootdisk/minimal iso to share?
02:23 < rxr> only a bootdisk - but it is not yet tested ...
02:23 < rxr> I could run a minimal build over the night up to tomorrow afternoon or so ...
02:23 < rxr> how imporatnt is this ?
02:23 < mnemoc_> i want to reinstall my dead-development machine...
02:24 < rxr> when ?
02:24 < mnemoc_> but monday or later
02:24 < rxr> ah - ok
02:24 < rxr> I could have a minmal target up to then ...
02:24 < rxr> even tested ...
02:24 < mnemoc_> great :D
02:26 < daja77> well builds are started, so duty is done, will go to bed now
02:26 < daja77> Mike1: eat faster next time :P
02:26 < daja77> :)
02:27 < daja77> cu tomorrow
02:27 < rxr> cu daja77
02:27 < daja77> rxr: wish me luck ;)
02:30 * rxr wishes daja77 luch ;-)
02:30 < rxr> luck even ...
02:42 < Freak> rxr: will you be at linuxtag? (i expect it! :)
02:46 < rxr> Yes - but I had to find out not all the time
02:46 < rxr> a friend marries at that Friday ...
02:46 < rxr> Freak: I now have MOL running on ROCK !
02:47 < rxr> (an rsynced version from yesterday - plug improvements)
02:47 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/screens-other.html
02:47 < Freak> rxr: so you gonna be there from sat. on i guess
02:47 < Freak> now what..
02:47 < Freak> ah dang
02:48 < rxr> Yes - I guess too (/me sad ....)
02:48 < Freak> i already thought you had rock-installation running in mol.. but its just virtualpc
02:48 < Freak> how did you configure the network for mol? i didnt get it working
02:48 < Freak> (so far)
02:49 < rxr> this is a very old screenshot - installing a x86 dRock on a PPC
02:49 < Freak> ahm
02:49 < Freak> k
02:49 < rxr> the top one is the mol one ...
02:49 < rxr> Freak: this was quite easy ...
02:49 < rxr> I edited tunconfig a bit
02:50 < rxr> to not use dhcp and use a /usr/sbin/iptables
02:50 < Freak> the thing is.. i dont get what tun does.. so i dont configure it right cos i dont understand it
02:50 < rxr> and then I chosed the correct IP in MacOS X ...
02:50 < rxr> Freak: it is just a virtual netork link in your linux system
02:50 < rxr> but mol does configure it mostly automatically ...
02:50 < Freak> it didnt work tho
02:51 < rxr> I also needed three tries ... - maybe you simply choosed a wrong IP in MacOS X - it needs to be in the subnet of the virtual tun device
02:52 < Freak> ah
02:52 < Freak> that would be it i guess
02:52 < Freak> hold on I'll try again
02:53 < rxr> I also disabled dhcp because I did not wanted to mess withit (or expose security holes just because of running some dhcp crap ...)
02:54 < Freak> :)
02:55 < rxr> Freak: btw we already have a PPC ISO for some weeks now ...
02:55 < Freak> ;)
02:56 < Freak> I'll probably repartition this thing for linuxtag.. then you get a partition and a try.
02:56 < Freak> on linuxtag.
02:56 < Freak> if you have time enough :)
02:56 < Freak> (to totally convince me)
02:56 < rxr> Freak: we'll see ;-)
03:04 < Mike1> re
03:04 < Mike1> ping rxr
03:05 < rxr> pong
03:05 < Freak> rxr: getting my msgs?
03:05 < Mike1> daja77: mnemoc_ gees i was more hungry than i though
03:05 < Freak> re Mike1
03:05 < Mike1> hi Freaky
03:05 < Mike1> rxr: good you are here
03:05 < Mike1> rxr: you saw you were looking for me earlier today
03:05 < Mike1> rxr: anything i can do for you my friend?
03:06 < mnemoc_> <daja77> Mike1: eat faster next time :P
03:06 < cchamilt> heimdal is clean now
03:06 < rxr> Mike1: what do you mean?
03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: great
03:07 < cchamilt> only took a few hours of random patching
03:07 < rxr> cchamilt: what did you patch ?
03:07 < Mike1> rxr: ---> [20:03] < rxr> Mike1: are you here?
03:07 < cchamilt> god awful amountof shared files
03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: hehe, have you commit to cvs yet?
03:07 * rxr does not remember the context ...
03:07 < cchamilt> very messy install
03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: else can you mail me the patch so i can apply it here
03:08 < rxr> cvs ?
03:08 < Mike1> rxr: techworx cvs ...
03:08 < cchamilt> That may be best, I didn't sync with our cvs yet
03:08 < rxr> Mike1: I do not remeber what I watned at that time ...
03:08 < Mike1> cchamilt: ok so send me the patch so i can look at it, test it and merge it with the rest of my changes in a bit
03:09 < Mike1> rxr: ah ok :(
03:13 < rxr> so iproute2 fixed for dietlibc (I hope)
03:13 < rxr> cchamilt: interested ?
03:14 < cchamilt> iproute2 is low priority for us.
03:14 < cchamilt> I don't have a broken version now either after some cleanups.
03:14 < cchamilt> I would have looked at it if I did.
03:15 < cchamilt> Now I have to restart a doomed bootdisk to get a look.
03:15 < Mike1> rxr: good, i will merge the fix with our boot target
03:18 < Mike1> rxr: the iproute2 fix have not been included in svn have it?
03:19 < rxr> no - not yet - still testing ...
03:19 < Mike1> rxr: mm... ok
03:30 < rxr> esden: around ?
03:36 < Freak> ry
03:36 < Freak> dang typing in bed is nogood.
03:36 < Freak> rxr: its working. had to enter the tun's adress as gateway in osx.
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03:42 < rxr> Freak: ah - ok
03:45 < Freak> its just that the ipadresses may differ each time mol is called up.. so you'd have to change it each time.. well I'll see..
03:47 < Mike1> n8 all
03:47 < Freak> gnite mike
03:48 < cchamilt> Does anyone know if we have fontconfig?
03:48 < rxr> cchamilt: huh? sure we have ...
03:49 < cchamilt> What package is it in?
03:49 < rxr> included in XFree since version 4.3
03:49 < cchamilt> Trying to get pango to build without x
03:49 < cchamilt> Explains
03:49 < cchamilt> Things...
03:58 < cchamilt> shoot, need a fontconfig package it appears
04:00 < rxr> cchamilt: how does it comes that you start using IRC ?
04:01 < cchamilt> My mail is flaky to the list right now.
04:03 < cchamilt> I am building mail server product, but have bad mail servers myself
04:05 < rxr> no good commercial ...
04:06 < cchamilt> Well if it helps, I am using the same stuff.  Of course that means it isn't well tested...
04:07 < rxr> ... to not work ;-)
04:07 * rxr just joking ... - I hope you get this ... ;-)
04:07 < cchamilt> Yes.
04:07 < cchamilt> It actually works well I think now.
04:08 < cchamilt> fontconfig worked, but no pango is not compiling...
04:08 < rxr> the product is baed uppon sendmail, postfix, exim, or  ?
04:09 < cchamilt> shoot thai needs x for some reason. And I will need thai...
04:10 < cchamilt> Cyrus and exim
04:13 < rxr> wow - now we are at reb 590 ...
04:13 < rxr> it this continues at this speed we'll have an higher rev then the svn folks itself ...
04:16 < rxr> at the end of the year
04:32 < rxr> n8
04:33 < mnemoc_> n8
04:41 < cchamilt> crap pango config is too flaky for my state of brain
04:41 < cchamilt> need sleep
04:50 < mnemoc_> wow.... i can believe winex 'typo'
04:52 < mnemoc_> i must enlist blindcoder in the destabilization project... -broken rock-
05:00 < n00kie> lennox "won"
05:01 < n00kie> klitschko had a hard cut over his eye
05:01 < n00kie> so he can't fight any longer
05:01 < mnemoc_> o_O
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05:14 < mnemoc_> gn8 n00kie
05:19 < n00kie> sleep well mnemoc_  :)
05:20 < n00kie> Sweet dreams
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06:13 < holyolli> moin
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06:14 < holyolli> hi n00kie
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10:22 < daja77> re
11:05 < netrunner> moin
11:05 < daja77> moin netrunner
11:06 < netrunner> hi daja77. did you notice that vim is built fine in 5, but fails in 9?
11:06 * daja77 doesn't do stage 9 builds
11:07 < netrunner> hm ... but there must be a reason why 9 is there, no?
11:07 < daja77> don't ask me, it is a waste of cpu cycles if you ask me
11:07 < netrunner> daja77: ok, so in future I'll skip it :)
11:07 < daja77> :))
11:09 * daja77 off now, breakfast
11:09 < netrunner> daja77: an guadn :)
11:09 < daja77> hehe thx
11:10 * daja77 wonders how many bavarians he'l meet here ...
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11:21 < Auzain> good morning
11:21 < daja77> hi Auzain
11:21 < daja77> cu, off now
11:22 < Auzain> hi, I tried this svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk
11:22 < Auzain> and the resond was
11:23 < Auzain> svn: Obstructed update
11:24 < Auzain> svn: revision 591 doesn't match existing revision 584 in 'rock-trunk'
11:24 < Auzain> what should I do?
11:24 < Auzain> to update my rock-trunk?
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11:28 < Auzain> hi tcr
11:28 < Auzain> can you help me with svn?
11:29 < Auzain> I tried this svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk
11:29 < Auzain> the answer is
11:29 < Auzain> svn: Obstructed update
11:29 < tcr> moin Auzain.
11:30 < Auzain> svn: revision 591 doesn't match existing revision 584 in 'rock-trunk'
11:31 < tcr> As a completely svn dilettante, I'd say rxr b0rked something internally (maybe branched wrongly)
11:32 < Auzain> ok
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11:34 < tcr> moin kasc.
11:35 < Auzain> does someone know where change numpad , to . in gnome?
11:37 < Auzain> mdr: glibc23 segmentation fault by building it,,,
11:37 < tcr> with xmodmap
11:38 < Auzain> thanks
11:38 < Auzain> is there now a solution to recovery glibc?
11:39 < tcr> You should bug that on the mailinglist.
11:39 < tcr> Send an email describing your config/architecture/etc and attach the error log
11:39 < Auzain> don't understand why: install drock then Update-System, that's all,,,
11:39 < daja77> Auzain: if you already have rock-trunk, cd in this dir and do a svn up
11:40 < tcr> moin daja77
11:40 < daja77> moin tcr
11:40 < Auzain> the problem is, I have no more console
11:41 < daja77> ?????!
11:41 * tcr is deleting 15.000 src.* dirs created yesterday by a bug in Build-Target/Build-Pkg
11:41 < Auzain> what's wrong ?
11:41 < Auzain> daja77: install drock then Update-System, that's all,,,
11:41 < daja77> what about no more consoles, just use that one in which you had that error
11:42 < Auzain> doesn't work now
11:42 < daja77> damn I am back later sorry
11:42 < Auzain> core dump
11:42 < Auzain> core dumped
11:43 < tcr> hmm
11:44 < tcr> Update-System fucked up your system. Maybe it tried to remove your old working glibc version with the new corrupted one.
11:44 < tcr> s,remove,replace,
11:45 < Auzain> that's why i wanted to update rock-trunk
11:45 < tcr> Don't think that is fixed.
11:45 < tcr> So best thing is to send a bug report
11:45 < Auzain> revision 584 crashed, and the beta5 too
11:45 < tcr> hum
11:46 < Auzain> will retry, must reinstall drock
11:46 < tcr> but make a note about your current environment first!
11:47 < Auzain> frs protocol: drock small install says kernel panic
11:47 < Auzain> bis bald
11:47 < tcr> tschuess
11:48 * netrunner -> sun
11:49 < netrunner> current errs can be reviewed at http://www.anvame.net/~andreas/rocklinux/err/gamer-2.0.0-beta6-x86-pentium3-generic-expert-rev579/?M=A
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13:52 < Auzain> re
13:53 < Auzain> someone here? first time I use irc console mode...
13:53 < daja77> cool!
13:54 < Auzain> daja77: cool to use irc in a console?
13:54 < daja77> yes
13:55 < Auzain> must find a second monitor to try dual head of my matrox 550
13:55 < daja77> rock works now?
13:56 < Auzain> I'm about to build a target to see
13:56 < daja77> ;-)
13:56 < Auzain> it's about glibc23, wait and see...
13:57 < Auzain> do you know wath about framebuffer and dual head?
13:58 < daja77> nope
13:58 < rxr> re
13:58 < Auzain> framebuffer it's ok, but dual head?
13:58 < Auzain> tag rxr
13:59 < daja77> hi rxr, how are you
14:00 < rxr> daja77: aside that I track dietlibc issues ?
14:00 < daja77> yepp ;-)
14:01 < Auzain> rxr: a little query, would it possible to choise keymap at the beginning of the 2nd install stage?
14:01 < rxr> Auzain: that is on the todo ...
14:01 < Auzain> ooops
14:02 < rxr> Auzain: only limitted by available time ...
14:02 < Auzain> where is this todo?
14:03 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20
14:03 < rxr> and there the todo link
14:03 < Auzain> ok
14:03 < rxr> I'll also setup a issue tracker (like bugzilla) - but I have not yet the time
14:04 < Auzain> yes good, I want ask about, now I know...
14:04 < daja77> bugzilla omg
14:04 < daja77> what about gnats?
14:04 < rxr> daja77: because of the omg - I also for an alternative ...
14:05 < Auzain> omg?
14:05 < daja77> Auzain: oh my god ;-)
14:05 < Auzain> :-))
14:06 < daja77> rxr: try gnats ;-) bsds are using it
14:06 < rxr> the gcc people drop gnats in favour of bugzilla....
14:06 * Auzain todo: neues worterbuch anfangen
14:07 < daja77> Auzain: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ ;-)
14:07 < Auzain> gibt's da dict.irc?
14:08 < daja77> dunno
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14:10 < daja77> hi Ge0rG
14:10 < Ge0rG> hello
14:10 < rxr> hello Ge0rG
14:10 < daja77> Ge0rG: haven't met alita so far ...
14:11 < Ge0rG> daja77: ok, I'll ask her next time I see her :]
14:11 < daja77> okis :)
14:12 < Auzain> da ich zu hause bin, mach ich mal pppoff, bis spater...
14:12 < daja77> cu
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15:29 < rxr> cool the U5 now finished kdebase ;-)
15:31 < daja77> cool!
15:32 < daja77> == 15:24:01 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.5 2.0.0-beta6].
15:49 < rxr> daja77: please do a svn up to get the code which should build the bootdisk nicer ...
16:00 < daja77> ahem will there be a problem with generic build when I) do a svn up?
16:01 < rxr> daja77: you could do a diff first to see what has changed ...
16:01 < daja77> or read your commit mail
16:07 < daja77> nah won't do update, sorry
16:08 < daja77> dietlibc stuff changed too :-(
16:23 * daja77 reading cliffords rock foils, good stuff
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16:43 < reenoo> hi
16:44 < daja77> hi reenoo
16:55 < reenoo> seems like this one is still not available in .de : http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2
16:55 < reenoo> :(
17:07 < rxr> daja77: the dietlibc stuff is to fix the bootdisk ...
17:08 < daja77> but it would affect my generic build as well
17:09 < esden> daja77: not really
17:09 < daja77> -v
17:09 < esden> the change is only affecting packages that are built with dietlibc
17:09 < esden> so it affects currently only dietlibctarget .. and the bootdisctarget
17:20 < reenoo> esden: just curious... are you still using lcdproc?
17:21 < daja77> is it a good idea to do svn up while build is running?
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17:25 < hopelessOwl> hi
17:26 < reenoo> bbl
17:28 < daja77> hi hopelessOwl
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18:10 < daja77> how can I remove the bootdisk build only?
18:11 < hopelessOwl> rm -rf build/bootdisk[...] or so?
18:11 < daja77> nope this destroys the filesystem, btdt
18:11 < hopelessOwl> O_o
18:12 < daja77> don't ask me why
18:13 < hopelessOwl> <-- says nothing *cough* *cough*
18:13 < daja77> I guess it is because of special files in it
18:13 < daja77> but stupid Cleanup can only do full or no build removal
18:14 < hopelessOwl> hm. implement it
18:14 * daja77 working on his speech 
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18:26 < rxr> daja77: nope it shoudl work - the only problem is rm -rf src.* ...
18:27 < daja77> last time I did it I needed 30min to repair the filesystem
18:31 < rxr> my u5 crashed some minutes ago :-(
18:32 < daja77> why
18:37 < rxr> during CD recodring - do not know ...
18:37 < rxr> just freezed ...
18:37 < daja77> damn
18:38 * daja77 just can't resist doin some advertising for rock on #svn
18:39 < rxr> hehe
18:39 * rxr just reburning the ISO - see what happens ...
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18:44 < Auzain> re
18:44 < Auzain> daja77 ?
18:45 < daja77> yepp, what's up
18:45 < Auzain> jemand da?
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18:45 < tsa> hi all
18:45 < daja77> Auzain: _ja_
18:45 < daja77> hi tsa
18:46 < Auzain> hab noch nie so viele src.binutils.10524655654... gesehen
18:46 < daja77> *ggg*
18:46 < daja77> die kannst Du dann mit scripts/Cleanup wieder entfernen
18:46 < Auzain> das ist bekannt glaube ich?
18:47 < daja77> ahem das ist kein fehler ...
18:47 < Auzain> wieso?
18:48 < daja77> das ist nur das verzeichnis in dem binutils gebaut wurde
18:48 < Auzain> aber so viele: hunderte...
18:48 < daja77> hunderte
18:48 < daja77> ?!
18:49 < Auzain> das fing an mit iproute2 glaube ich
18:50 < Auzain> nun mach ich noch ein test mit dem letzten svn update (594?)
18:51 < hopelessOwl> wann wird eigenltich 2.0 releast?
18:51 < mnemoc_> english please :(
18:51 < rxr> hm - sun has not yet crashed again ...
18:51 < daja77> mnemoc_: sorry Auzains has problems with english, forgive us
18:51 < rxr> I wonder if I should palce my spare DVD into the UlraSPARC 5 ...
18:51 < Auzain> ist schon der 2.: das erste mal hat was mit gawk nicht geklappt
18:51 < mnemoc_> forgiven :P
18:52 < daja77> mnemoc_: :)
18:52 < tsa> rxr: python 2.2.3
18:52 < rxr> Auzain: you build the bootdisk ?
18:52 < rxr> hi tsa
18:52 < hopelessOwl> hi tsa
18:53 < tsa> rxr: ..builds for me, but i don't know about other packages that might depend on it..
18:53 < rxr> Mike1: ping
18:53 < Auzain> rxr: I must build a bootdisk befor a target?
18:53 < rxr> Auzain: the order does not matter
18:53 < tsa> rxr: so feel free to update if you want to.
18:53 < rxr> Auzain: but the bootdisk was broken for some hours this night
18:54 < rxr> I already fixed this - just do a svn up, and either remove the buil/.../var/adm/log/
18:54 < rxr> *.errr
18:54 < rxr> or rebuild all ...
18:54 < rxr> or you can select "retry building broken packages" in the ./scripts/Config
18:57 < tsa> rxr:
18:57 < tsa> [D] 4180771244 Python-2.2.3.tgz ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/python/2.2.3/
18:57 < daja77> hopelessOwl: you should try beta6 it is quite good
18:57 < Auzain> rxr: how should I build bootdisk? (or you mean target?)
18:58 < daja77> Auzain: yepp bootdisk target
18:58 < hopelessOwl> daja77: *cough* *cough* i won't plan to do this... i just want to know if and when there will be a release of 2.0
18:59 < Auzain> that's what I try, but have a problem with gawk (lost the log :-], sorry
18:59 < rxr> hopelessOwl: I hope you make sure you open up all you changes properly (not just an empty tar) - otherwise I'll sue you for violating the GPL ...
18:59 < rxr> hopelessOwl: remeber to keep all the orignial copyrights ...
19:00 < hopelessOwl> rxr: i deleted the rock-srces... i won't fork rock... (as i planned it once...)
19:00 < hopelessOwl> (if i'm not giving up coding/hacking... )
19:01 < rxr> hopelessOwl: and for what reason are you begging for a 2.0 release all the time ?
19:01 < daja77> hopelessOwl: hehe svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk ;)
19:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: 2.4.22-pre1? ;)
19:02 < hopelessOwl> rxr: i want to know if the rock-team is "in time"
19:02 * daja77 kicks mnemoc_ 
19:02 < mnemoc_> ouch
19:02 < mnemoc_> The .22 cycle is expected to be much shorter than .21.
19:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: nope - I also considered it because of the ACPI stuff - but too many people rejected it ...
19:03 < rxr> mnemoc_: yes - we'll see - we do not need each unstable test version of the kernel (it might be even counter-productive ...)
19:03 < daja77> ack
19:03 * daja77 off now
19:03 < daja77> cu later
19:03 < mnemoc_> :(
19:03 < hopelessOwl> bye daja77
19:03 < Auzain> bis dan daja77
19:04 < hopelessOwl> +n
19:06 < Auzain> see you tomorrow
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19:06 < hopelessOwl> root?!!! WTF?!
19:09 < rxr> hopelessOwl: we are not in time - but how does this help you ?
19:10 < hopelessOwl> nope..
19:10 < hopelessOwl> just wanted to know :p
19:10 < rxr> so why do you ask so often?
19:10 < hopelessOwl> why this aggressive "ton"?
19:10 < hopelessOwl> hm. just interested...
19:11 < rxr> hey hopelessOwl we wanted to have 2.0 at 19C3 - it is now 6 months later ...
19:11 < hopelessOwl> hm. at 19c3? uff. :-/
19:11 < rxr> hopelessOwl: because this ROCK sucks - I do my own dist and troll around here the wohle time gets on my nerves ....
19:11 < hopelessOwl> well... then i can leave...
19:11 < hopelessOwl> goodbye
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19:13 < hopelessOwl> aeh. i forgot to mention: i was here, because i wanted to meet some people who seems not to willed to join #anarchy ... but if i'm not wanted here
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19:15 * tfing bets she will come back tomorrow
19:20 < rxr> cool - bootdisk target finished.
19:25 < rxr> with the HEAD svn the linuxrc is on the bootdisk during the frst run ...
19:28 < rxr> hm - the 2nd SCSI card does not seem to run relyable in the U5...
19:34 < cchamilt> how do I solve massive shared file problems?
19:35 < cchamilt> heimdal does more I forgot about - replaces most simple network progs with kerberos ones
19:35 < cchamilt> I would manually copy, but there are a ton of man and include files to manage too.
19:35 < mnemoc_> are you using install_wrapper?
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19:58 < SMP> d'oh
20:04 < rxr> SMP: hm?
20:06 < SMP> nothing
20:06 < rxr> d'oh is nothing ?
20:06 < rxr> hi btw ;-)
20:07 < cchamilt> install_wrapper?
20:07 < rxr> cchamilt: see rolling rock - last issue
20:11 < cchamilt> Just a general fashion tip for most people...
20:11 < cchamilt> Sun glasses are not cool anymore.
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20:13 < cchamilt> OK. how would I use install_wrapper to block (not change) a file install?
20:14 < mnemoc_> why block?
20:14 < cchamilt> change it to /dev/null?
20:14 < cchamilt> heimdal is very very bad
20:15 < SMP> haha
20:15 < cchamilt> don't want netbad libc headers replacing glibc much less existing on our system
20:15 < cchamilt> netbsd that is
20:15 < SMP> guess it overwrites hundreds of .h
20:15 < SMP> just install it in /usr/heimdal, really
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20:15 < cchamilt> Just some, but it is disturbing
20:16 < SMP> packages that use heimdal are trained to find it at this prefix
20:16 < mnemoc_> if it does use a different prefix why to censure it?
20:16 < cchamilt> Most of it comes down to copping out on handling porting crectly.
20:16 < cchamilt> Really?
20:17 < cchamilt> sasl ldap php cyrus pam_krb5 seem to find it at /usr of course I think I told most of them...
20:18 < SMP> take a look at the cofigure if it has a test for /usr/heimdal if not supplied
20:18 < cchamilt> is it really good to have another thing off /usr?
20:18 < mnemoc_> but you could add -I/usr/heimdl by config
20:19 < cchamilt> It may have it.
20:19 < cchamilt> Should we use put heimdal in /usr/heimdal?
20:19 < cchamilt> mit I think is in /usr
20:20 < mnemoc_> we can't let it overwrite them.... a prefix looks like the proper solution
20:20 < mnemoc_> rxr: opinion?
20:20 < cchamilt> Yeah, but nothing should use the netbsd stuff not even heimdal
20:20 < cchamilt> heimdal is just lazy
20:21 < cchamilt> instead of ifdef ing their code, they basically check if your includes are what they want
20:21 < cchamilt> and if not, use their own against your libc.
20:22 < cchamilt> It is less than 10 that clash I think.
20:23 < cchamilt> Most problems are ones like ftp should be named kftp or something.
20:24 < cchamilt> thinking on /usr/heimdal
20:25 < cchamilt>  /etc/krb5.conf and several other conf files are hard coded as standards.
20:25 < cchamilt> There is a /var/heimdal to hold key stashes.
20:25 < SMP> problem is you can't use a --program-transform-name to prefix a 'k' without doubleing the initial 'k' on binaries that already have it
20:25 < SMP> because sed regexp is not powerful enough
20:26 < cchamilt> I think those I can do by hand too.
20:26 < cchamilt> Just need to know how to 'not' install some .h's
20:26 < SMP> btw. I'd suggest using 'k5', not just 'k'
20:26 < cchamilt> OK
20:27 < SMP> to avoid double-clashes with krb4 ;)
20:27 < cchamilt> Should rock use heimdal or mit anyway?
20:27 < SMP> it should be configurable :))
20:27 < cchamilt> Heh, yeah right.
20:28 < cchamilt> Not exactly similar implementations
20:28 < cchamilt> Neither is perfect.
20:28 < SMP> personally I am in favor of heimdal, but some applications only support MIT krb5
20:28 < cchamilt> That can be hacked if they are opensource.
20:29 < cchamilt> It may take changing some interface calls to do it.
20:29 < SMP> yeah, anyway you can't get the best of both worlds ..
20:29 < cchamilt> I am not sure how complete heimdal is either.
20:30 < cchamilt> It is lazy in many ways. Somehow though I think it has better code than mit.
20:30 < cchamilt> Neither are well documented.
20:30 < SMP> it's not so hard to write better code than the average MIT project ;>
20:31 < cchamilt> Neither follow spec exactly.
20:31 < cchamilt> Bad thing is that mit has moved through many maintainers I think.
20:32 < cchamilt> They have no idea what is in their code and are not aware of where all they don't follow spec.
20:33 < cchamilt> At least following lists this for a few months gives me this impression.
20:34 < cchamilt> Heimdal is supposedly more endian safe and is also more oss.
20:34 < cchamilt> MIT is used by most American companies accept MSoft.
20:35 < cchamilt> MSoft actually had some of its AD done by the heimdal lead.
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20:42 < cchamilt> MIT and Heimdal don't play well in some mixed environments - ie. one client, the other server.
20:42 < garlopf> hi :)  i have been attempting to install rock linux for some time now, but in vain..
20:42 < garlopf> i have come as far as choosing all the packages, installing them to the target, and running the install scripts (from the drockl isos)
20:44 < cchamilt> garlopf: Yes?
20:45 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:45 < holyolli> moin
20:45 < garlopf> im not THAT experienced with linux, but isnt there an editor that i can use for editing all tose handy config files?
20:45 < garlopf> those
20:45 < garlopf> like grub.conf
20:45 < garlopf> i fear my q's are faq'ish
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20:46 < cchamilt> vi?
20:47 < garlopf> i didnt see any vi executable anywhere, and typing vi didnt work
20:47 < cchamilt> which iso?
20:47 < garlopf> the drockl one
20:47 < garlopf> drock even
20:48 < cchamilt> which version?
20:48 < garlopf> hm i figure it was the latest.. wait.. il find out
20:48 < cchamilt> 1.4x, 1.6x, 2.0 betas ...
20:49 < cchamilt> not that i am an expert at drock.
20:49 < garlopf> 1.6
20:50 < garlopf> i wanted somethiong stable
20:50 < cchamilt> Hmm.
20:50 < garlopf> so i dint take any beta stuff
20:50 < cchamilt> Heh, stable is always relative.
20:50 < garlopf> ;)
20:50 < garlopf> yeah
20:51 < garlopf> should i go for 2.0 then?
20:51 < cchamilt> No idea why vi link wouldnt be there.
20:51 < garlopf> hm. ok how would i go about making that link?
20:51 < SMP> well, do you have vim ?
20:52 < garlopf> it stat box thingy that es a common executable for all the commands right?
20:52 < cchamilt> Of I can't recommend 2.0 as they are better, but not sure which isos we have.
20:52 < cchamilt> busybox should have vi on the bootdisk i think.
20:52 < cchamilt> try ./busybox vi
20:52 < garlopf> ok thx
20:53 < cchamilt> I believe busybox is on drock - never used drock...
20:53 < cchamilt> rock at that time had busybox...
20:54 < garlopf> ok.
20:55 < garlopf> i just want to make a small install for a node in a cluster
20:55 < garlopf> so far rock seems like the way to go :
20:55 < garlopf> :)
20:55 < garlopf> i like the concept
20:55 < cchamilt> If you are building your own later use the 2.0
20:56 < garlopf> ok ..
20:56 < cchamilt> it is bloated but much cooler for designingyour own distro
20:56 < rxr> garlopf: if you experiense a problem - yes go to 2.0 - we already released -beta5 - and have -beta4+fixes ISOs ...
20:57 < rxr> cchamilt: boated ?
20:57 < holyolli> hi rxr
20:57 < rxr> hi holyolli
20:57 < holyolli> rxr: didn't you recieve my email?
20:57 < rxr> holyolli: erh - ah yes there was s.th. ... - /me gets too much mails ...
20:57 < rxr> sorry holyolli
20:57 < cchamilt> rxr: when the designs were first discussed i thought this would naturally be the way to go
20:57 < holyolli> rxr: no prob. just wanted to know, because i had some probs with my mails ;)
20:58 < garlopf> ok.. is there a minimal boot disk that will download packages, or will I have to dl the whole iso again?
20:58 < cchamilt> rxr: just some of the concepts like choosing glibc are not proving to be useful.
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20:59 < rxr> garlopf: full ISO - or build via source
21:00 < rxr> cchamilt: hm? This is jus a so tiny part - and you call it bloated? And in fact choosing the compiler and kernel has proved to be usefull ...
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21:00 < martin> hmmm, hi rxr
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21:01 < cchamilt> rxr: kernel and compiler yes.  Just in general there is more stuff.
21:02 < cchamilt> rxr: The build system is much better and safer, but quite a lot of changes to do it.
21:03 < cchamilt> rxr: Really, mine/gem is about the only thing that may be bloat I guess.  glibc is just not able to be implemented well...
21:05 < rxr> hae? What part of the glibc selection is not implemented well ?
21:05 < rxr> and I do not get why gem/mine is bloat ...
21:05 < cchamilt> rxr: have you tried a glibc2.2 build lately?
21:06 < cchamilt> rxr: (hint - errno)
21:06 < rxr> no - I have not tries it -  but this should not be that hard to be fixed ...
21:07 < cchamilt> rxr: mine doesn't do much more than the old package system
21:07 < cchamilt> rxr: glibx is just an example of the way people fix things...
21:08 < rxr> cchamilt: what way to fix things to you mean?
21:08 < cchamilt> rxr: we all moved to 2.3, so we fixed for 2.3 and ignored the side-effects.
21:09 < cchamilt> rxr: really the errno patches would ideally take into account all possible needs.
21:09 < cchamilt> rxr: as developers though, that may be hard to remember to use a ifdef
21:10 < rxr> errno.h is not present on a glibc-2.2 system ?
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21:10 < cchamilt> rxr: of course rock could also have patches for a specific package types for each package ie. glibc23-1.patch
21:11 < rxr> fixing the package to not define some extern into errno - but to include errno.h and so use the proper errno define from glibc should work for both ...
21:11 < rxr> cchamilt: obviously that would be ufly like hell ...
21:12 < cchamilt> errno.h is on my glibc22 system, might not be on 21 I guess.
21:13 < cchamilt> my point though more shallow, is that we can't check all build parameters.
21:13 < cchamilt> Well right now we have bob_scratches_butt.patch
21:14 < cchamilt> It is more a good guideline I think to name patches more specific
21:14 < cchamilt> whether the system uses/requires the info.
21:15 < rxr> cchamilt: sure - we cant't check all build parameters ... - but we should not remove them since they might be usefull for other (btw - we do not yet know if all platforms work correctly with glibc-2.3 ...)
21:16 < cchamilt> I am not sure x86 p3 does.
21:16 < rxr> but this we cannot test all thing is why I started a regression tester to regularly test the most usefull combinations ...x
21:16 < cchamilt> Anyone else see something weird in editting text in 1.7+?
21:17 < cchamilt> When lines physically wrap, they tend to append the line below especially if
21:18 < cchamilt> this is triggered by adding text to the middle of the line
21:18 < cchamilt> I see this a lot in pine, kwrite, and some others.  Can't remember about vim as it doesn't wrap the same way.
21:19 < cchamilt> If it was one text editor I would ignore it.
21:19 < rxr> cchamilt: which common code should kwrite and pine have ?
21:19 < cchamilt> no idea
21:20 < cchamilt> that is why it is strange and makes me worry.
21:20 < rxr> I never had prolems with xemacs, vim or any KDE application with line wrapping
21:21 < cchamilt> to my knowledge, little other than the build chain is shared
21:21 < rxr> the only problem I have is the damned bash - but this for years ... (maybe I should finally start to gdb this ...)
21:21 < cchamilt> maybe my crusoe has some malicious morphing software...
21:22 < rxr> crusoe embedded board - or laptop ?
21:22 < cchamilt> Maybe it is legacy from glibc 2.2-2.3 crossover
21:22 < cchamilt> laptop
21:22 < cchamilt> This box has the mangled glob.h
21:23 < rxr> hm - I just tested my kwrite wraps lines just fine ..
21:23 < rxr> holyolli: I'll add some of the points in your mail to the do to later.
21:23 < cchamilt> its a strange little thing, hell on my php if wrapping is on default.
21:24 < cchamilt> btw how did you fix nssdb?
21:25 < mnemoc_> replacing -ldb-3 with /usr/lib/libdb-3.so was freak
21:26 < cchamilt> does it crash apache, etc. still?
21:26 < cchamilt> it amazes me how many things link to nss
21:26 < reenoo> cchamilt: model/brand of the crusoe laptop?
21:27 < cchamilt> I have seen other distros similar gdb traces that dont show it
21:27 < cchamilt> 5800 933MHz
21:27 < cchamilt> Fujistu 2120 I think.
21:28 < reenoo> cchamilt: I assume you're not from .de, right? otherwise I'd be interested in where you've got it from ;)
21:29 < cchamilt> I shipped it from the us to singapore
21:29 < cchamilt> singapore has crappy prices
21:30 < reenoo> oh... neat... details please :)
21:30 < cchamilt> I am from the us, so I just ship it to my parents and on to me.  No big deal.
21:31 < reenoo> ah ok
21:31 < cchamilt> The market here is bad, so retailers responde by about a 20% hike in prices.
21:31 < cchamilt> Not exactly economics majors...
21:32 < reenoo> ouch
21:32 < cchamilt> Grey market here is huge, just they charge too much now too.
21:33 < reenoo> I wouldn't mind a slightly higher price though, if I could get the p2120 here at all...
21:34 < cchamilt> I got mine for about US$2000 total including fedex to .sg and 384MB, extended batt, and second batt.
21:35 < reenoo> yeah... that would rock
21:35 < cchamilt> We have a flat 5% tax on customs/sales.
21:36 < cchamilt> Used to be 3%, another economic measure to ensure the government has money...
21:37 < cchamilt> I guess all taxes start at 0 though... :)
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22:10 < garlopf> cchamilt: you know about mpp?
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22:30 < cchamilt> mpp?
22:31 < cchamilt> the project?
22:34 < cchamilt> garlopf:?
22:40 < garlopf> yes
22:40 < garlopf> or the subject..
22:40 < garlopf> im trying to get it working ..
22:41 < garlopf> but i am having a hard time finding a distribution ready for installing on a node of a cluster
22:41 < garlopf> oh its you! heh.. :) i just sent you an email :)
22:41 < cchamilt> Oh, well that project is dead for now.
22:41 < garlopf> ok
22:41 < cchamilt> It is two years old.
22:42 < garlopf> did it rpoduce anything useful?
22:42 < cchamilt> I am trying to get budget for company to start it again Q4.
22:42 < garlopf> ok
22:43 < cchamilt> It worked well on x86, though it was good at the time, everyone elses 'beowulf' stuff is the same.
22:43 < cchamilt> MSC.Linux had possibilities, but I think they aren't doing much with their distro now.
22:44 < garlopf> so there are alot of "dead" projects around..
22:44 < cchamilt> HPC clusters is actually quite dead now for development in general.
22:45 < garlopf> it couldnt be that difficult.. a minimal linux distro that just had pvm/lam and some install/management tools
22:45 < cchamilt> NPACI ROCKS is about the only thing most people use around here.
22:45 < cchamilt> Yep.
22:45 < garlopf> npaci?
22:45 < cchamilt> I got carried away on extra libraries.
22:45 < garlopf> i c..
22:45 < cchamilt> It is a python based kicker installer for redhat.
22:46 < garlopf> ok
22:46 < cchamilt> The idea is that for some reason, you can't trust what is installed on your nodes.
22:46 < cchamilt> rebooting forces a complete reinstall to sync everything.
22:47 < cchamilt> Not sure what real value this has if the cluster was configured right to begin with.
22:47 < garlopf> hm..
22:48 < cchamilt> I agree that network install based syncs are good, just this is like doing it every day.
22:49 < garlopf> well it couldnt hurt on 100mbps eth or more, since the install would be really tiny
22:50 < cchamilt> I think sun's grid stuff and ganglia as the monitor is the best actual oss admin tools for clustering.
22:50 < garlopf> i like sun :)
22:50 < cchamilt> I may make a bootp for Rock that does a pull like npaci rocks if it is needed.
22:51 < garlopf> is npaci rocks a full linux distro or what?
22:51 < cchamilt> Again, this is after current projects and if the market looks better in q4 for clusters.
22:51 < cchamilt> Its a selection of redhat packages and a reinstall manager.
22:52 < esden> hi all!!! 
22:52 < holyolli> btw. is there any howto for making rock-html-pages? i want to put my (old) alpha-isos online
22:52 < garlopf> ok *reading at website*
22:52 < holyolli> huhu esden
22:52 < cchamilt> It runs a mysql backend of what different node types do what.
22:52 < cchamilt> hhi
22:52 < esden> holyolli: you mean for www.rocklinux.org/people/holyolli ?
22:53 < holyolli> esden: nope. i have the files on my server and just want to make some html pages for it
22:54 < holyolli> esden: it's the (unstable/old) alpha-iso and some documentation about alphas
22:55 < holyolli> esden: that there's at least anything on the alpha-section of rock
22:57 < garlopf> heh :) this will be a fun exercise.. making a "CLUSTER NODE" rock target
22:57 < esden> holyolli: hmm .. right ... I have the alpha port pages in my people directory
22:57 < esden> you can take a look in it ...
22:58 < esden> get the index.in and edit it
22:58 < cchamilt> garlopf: That would be great.
22:58 < esden> the doc should be in the www.rocklinux.org/people/ directory
22:58 < esden> I mean the doc howto write the in files
22:58 < holyolli> ok
22:59 < holyolli> esden: thx
23:00 < cchamilt> garlopf: Make sure you do it in Rock 2.0?
23:00 < garlopf> i ill :)
23:00 < garlopf> will
23:01 < cchamilt> garlopf: The HPC tool chain has changed somewhat if you start doing stuff like lapack...
23:02 < cchamilt> I have documentation I crafted for a really badly spec'ed cluster contract a few months back.
23:03 < daja77> re
23:03 < cchamilt> It might give you some ideas/help though I can't remember all it covered.
23:03 < daja77> cluster rock?
23:03 < garlopf> yeh i could need al the data i can get
23:04 < cchamilt> brb, digging in the fs
23:04 < garlopf> there should be a really sercure one called
23:04 < garlopf> arround the clock rock :P
23:04 < daja77> distributed rock install would be sufficient for me
23:06 < cchamilt> Oh crap, it uses Rocks and LSF. Still I can email it to you. It was a draft user guide to meet UAT for the contract Fujitsu lost.
23:07 < cchamilt> we subbed under them.
23:08 < cchamilt> garlopf: Didn't get your email yet unless you are promissing 3 more inches...
23:09 < cchamilt> daja77: there is some tools out there to support distributed install of clusters as is.  Most are rpm based though.
23:10 < rxr> daja77: what kind of ditributed install do you mean?
23:10 < rxr> daja77: ah - only on clusters? No distirbuted install on a single box getting the binaries from peer-to-peer out of the inet ... ?
23:12 < cchamilt> daja77:They are more like centrallized distribution
23:12 < cchamilt> You can either have each node pull from a central db, or the head node can push to all sub nodes.
23:14 < cchamilt> Hmm. my email alias at rock may be gone now.  It has been so long since I used it.
23:14 < cchamilt> I think it goes back to my school account.
23:14 < cchamilt> garlopf: try chris at techworx.net
23:19 < garlopf> ok
23:19 < garlopf> ask him what?
23:19 < cchamilt> well i need to know your email address if I am sending you docs :)
23:19 < rxr> Mike1: around ?
23:20 < garlopf> chimenigfx@yahoo.com or lennart@upmail.no any will do
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23:27 < garlopf> hm.. im also a fan of diskless nodes
23:27 < garlopf> i want the stuff to boot over network
23:29 < garlopf> with the cheap memory available today disks merely mean more space, more power consumption and more space
23:29 < garlopf> er space= heat
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23:33 < garlopf> ok gotta go cya
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23:35 < cchamilt> I am going back to work...
23:40 < daja77> re, sorry
23:41 < daja77> rxr: I mean having a server with gem packages, and booting clients which can install their system from the net (without manual intervention)
23:43 < rxr> daja77: for this you only need a stone from file module and a tiny integration - should not be too hard ...
23:43 < rxr> mnemoc_: are you awake ?
23:43 < daja77> good
23:44 < daja77> can stone grab gems from a http server?
23:44 < rxr> daja77: it should (it has support - but I have not test it ...)
23:44 < rxr> daja77: you could even fetch the stage2 from a server ...
23:45 < daja77> rxr: I guess you don't mind if I test it in the near future
23:45 < rxr> nope - please test - I'm getting used to debugging gas_gui ...
23:45 < daja77> busy this week ...
23:46 * A-Tui is away: No nos das miedo...... ni pena. 
23:46 < daja77> btw anyone will have a look at my foils later?
23:48 < rxr> daja77: yes - I would like. de or en =
23:48 < rxr> ?
23:48 < daja77> de
23:48 < daja77> not online yet, heavy development .. ;-)
23:48 < holyolli> cya...the pool is calling ;-)
23:49 < daja77> holyolli: have fun
23:49 < holyolli> daja: thx..i will ;)
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23:59 < rxr> SMP: do you have some comment about bugzilla - especially why not to use (exepct the too big issues)?
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