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--- Log opened Sun Jun 22 00:00:01 2003 --- Day changed Sun Jun 22 2003 00:03 < Mike1> moin all 00:03 < Mike1> ping netrunner 00:03 < Mike1> ping rxr 00:07 < netrunner> Mike1: pong 00:07 < Mike1> netrunner: so xfree fixed? 00:08 -!- mnemoc_ [~mnemoc@200.75.27.41] has joined #rocklinux 00:09 < netrunner> Mike1: yup. I am already at Job 5-kdegraphics31 builder (2067) since 23:36 2003-6-21 00:09 < Mike1> netrunner: have you submit the patch for xfree ? 00:09 < netrunner> Mike1: no, I thought you would :) 00:09 < Mike1> netrunner: i didn't knew if you had 00:09 < Mike1> else i will 00:12 < Mike1> netrunner: patch sent. 00:14 < netrunner> Mike1: good. I hope my build is finished tomorrow morning :) 00:14 < Mike1> netrunner: hehe 00:15 < Mike1> netrunner: building desktop target? 00:15 < netrunner> Mike1: no, generic. 00:15 < Mike1> netrunner: _nice_ 00:16 < Mike1> netrunner: let me know of any other possible problems you may fuind in the future so i can try to help you 00:16 < netrunner> Mike1: I have a build time of about 48h per generic :) 00:16 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.23] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:17 < netrunner> Mike1: I will put my errs on https://www.anvame.net/~andreas/rocklinux/index.html 00:17 < Mike1> netrunner: sweet. 00:54 < netrunner> Mike1: I've put the errs I had in my running build so far there also. Just in case you're bored tonight :) 00:54 < netrunner> n8 * 00:54 < Mike1> ok 00:56 < mnemoc_> Mike1: will you rebuild a minimal ;) 00:57 < mnemoc_> ? 00:57 < Mike1> mnemoc_: == 16:08:18 =[5]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-beta6]. 00:57 < mnemoc_> you are on stage 5??!! 00:57 < Mike1> mnemoc_: does that answer ur question my friend? 00:57 < Mike1> mnemoc_: yes i started that build this mourning when i woke you 00:58 < Mike1> woke up* 00:58 < Mike1> around 4 hours ago.. :) 00:58 < Mike1> maybe 5 not sure. 00:58 < mnemoc_> mmm.... you DIDNT wake me up 00:58 < mnemoc_> your machine is amazing 00:58 < Mike1> i said when _I_ woke up 00:58 < Mike1> :) 00:58 < daja77> re 00:58 < Mike1> mnemoc_: that build is running on my laptop 00:58 < Mike1> :) 00:58 < Mike1> hi daja77, welcome back. 00:58 < mnemoc_> worst 00:59 < mnemoc_> wb daja 00:59 < Mike1> daja77: just as promissed, i am here 00:59 < daja77> thx Mike1 mnemoc_ 00:59 < daja77> yeah you are 00:59 < daja77> is rxr still here? 00:59 < Mike1> just spoke to my gf she has an exam tomorrow sunday 8am (ROTL) so i stay around late today 00:59 < Mike1> daja77: i do not think so, i have been searching for him 01:00 < daja77> damn 01:00 < Mike1> daja77: perahps he come back in a while 01:00 < Mike1> mnemoc_: you should live closer to me 01:00 < Mike1> :) 01:00 < mnemoc_> :) 01:01 < daja77> everybody should live closer to Mike1 01:02 < Mike1> daja77: sure. 01:02 < Mike1> daja77: the parties we could do at my house :) 01:02 < daja77> yeah with lots of chicks ... 01:02 < daja77> I was at a party tonight 01:03 < Mike1> daja77: of course, chick, jolt, wlan, :) 01:03 < Mike1> :P 01:03 < daja77> in that order 01:03 < mnemoc_> mike will found a sect 01:03 < daja77> the chick jolt wlan sect? 01:03 < Mike1> cjw sect :) 01:03 < mnemoc_> heheh 01:04 < Mike1> hehe 01:04 < Mike1> mom - coffee - 01:05 < daja77> but who needs chicks when there is wlan ... 01:05 < Mike1> lol 01:05 < mnemoc_> both are wellcome 01:05 < Mike1> btw i changed my mind i'm too hungry to have only coffee 01:05 < Mike1> i will get some thai food 01:05 < daja77> .oO he'll eat a cow 01:05 < Mike1> be back in 30 - 40 minutes 01:06 < daja77> thai food sounds great 01:06 < Mike1> daja77: yes, wanna come with me? 01:07 < daja77> nah I just wanted to ask rxr sth and then running new build and goin to bed 01:07 < Mike1> ok - gone eating - (a cow) 01:07 < daja77> :) 01:07 < Mike1> daja77: bed? 01:07 < Mike1> damn 01:07 < Mike1> daja77: i hope you are still around when i come back 01:07 < Mike1> i wanted to talk to you 01:07 < Mike1> anyways cya for now 01:07 < daja77> Mike1: can't say that for sure 01:08 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1CB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:11 < daja77> hi bluefire 01:21 < rxr> tea consuming took longer ... :-) 01:26 < rxr> ping 01:26 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B3638.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:35 < daja77> hi rxr 01:35 < daja77> I was afk eating :) 01:36 < daja77> rxr: I thought over that version number bug, I thought this might be related with an old packages* file, or is this information cached somewhere else 01:46 < daja77> ah this sucks my router died again 01:47 * daja77 started build of rev 586 01:48 < daja77> I cleaned everything before hth 01:50 < rxr> back 01:51 < daja77> good! 01:51 < rxr> the Build-Target uses the information in build/.../root/var/adm/... for the CD information and package database ... 01:52 < daja77> ah damn, mom 01:53 < daja77> I did a Cleanup -full last time 01:54 < daja77> hey I can bring the borken isos to Linuxtag, we can dig into this, I don't have atm 01:56 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B3638.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:57 < daja77> hmm linux25 failed in blindy's build ;-) 01:57 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B3638.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:59 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M309P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 02:13 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1CB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:16 < daja77> Mike1: ?? 02:19 < mnemoc_> the cow was big 02:19 < rxr> which cow ? 02:19 < mnemoc_> <Mike1> ok - gone eating - (a cow) 02:20 < daja77> yeah but why he tells me he wants to talk to me *gnarf* 02:20 < mnemoc_> to make you suffer 02:20 < daja77> >_< 02:22 < daja77> rxr: if this build fails to, I'll show the rev 443 iso in Magedburg 02:22 < daja77> too even 02:22 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you have a bootdisk/minimal iso to share? 02:23 < rxr> only a bootdisk - but it is not yet tested ... 02:23 < rxr> I could run a minimal build over the night up to tomorrow afternoon or so ... 02:23 < rxr> how imporatnt is this ? 02:23 < mnemoc_> i want to reinstall my dead-development machine... 02:24 < rxr> when ? 02:24 < mnemoc_> but monday or later 02:24 < rxr> ah - ok 02:24 < rxr> I could have a minmal target up to then ... 02:24 < rxr> even tested ... 02:24 < mnemoc_> great :D 02:26 < daja77> well builds are started, so duty is done, will go to bed now 02:26 < daja77> Mike1: eat faster next time :P 02:26 < daja77> :) 02:27 < daja77> cu tomorrow 02:27 < rxr> cu daja77 02:27 < daja77> rxr: wish me luck ;) 02:30 * rxr wishes daja77 luch ;-) 02:30 < rxr> luck even ... 02:42 < Freak> rxr: will you be at linuxtag? (i expect it! :) 02:46 < rxr> Yes - but I had to find out not all the time 02:46 < rxr> a friend marries at that Friday ... 02:46 < rxr> Freak: I now have MOL running on ROCK ! 02:47 < rxr> (an rsynced version from yesterday - plug improvements) 02:47 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/screens-other.html 02:47 < Freak> rxr: so you gonna be there from sat. on i guess 02:47 < Freak> now what.. 02:47 < Freak> ah dang 02:48 < rxr> Yes - I guess too (/me sad ....) 02:48 < Freak> i already thought you had rock-installation running in mol.. but its just virtualpc 02:48 < Freak> how did you configure the network for mol? i didnt get it working 02:48 < Freak> (so far) 02:49 < rxr> this is a very old screenshot - installing a x86 dRock on a PPC 02:49 < Freak> ahm 02:49 < Freak> k 02:49 < rxr> the top one is the mol one ... 02:49 < rxr> Freak: this was quite easy ... 02:49 < rxr> I edited tunconfig a bit 02:50 < rxr> to not use dhcp and use a /usr/sbin/iptables 02:50 < Freak> the thing is.. i dont get what tun does.. so i dont configure it right cos i dont understand it 02:50 < rxr> and then I chosed the correct IP in MacOS X ... 02:50 < rxr> Freak: it is just a virtual netork link in your linux system 02:50 < rxr> but mol does configure it mostly automatically ... 02:50 < Freak> it didnt work tho 02:51 < rxr> I also needed three tries ... - maybe you simply choosed a wrong IP in MacOS X - it needs to be in the subnet of the virtual tun device 02:52 < Freak> ah 02:52 < Freak> that would be it i guess 02:52 < Freak> hold on I'll try again 02:53 < rxr> I also disabled dhcp because I did not wanted to mess withit (or expose security holes just because of running some dhcp crap ...) 02:54 < Freak> :) 02:55 < rxr> Freak: btw we already have a PPC ISO for some weeks now ... 02:55 < Freak> ;) 02:56 < Freak> I'll probably repartition this thing for linuxtag.. then you get a partition and a try. 02:56 < Freak> on linuxtag. 02:56 < Freak> if you have time enough :) 02:56 < Freak> (to totally convince me) 02:56 < rxr> Freak: we'll see ;-) 03:04 < Mike1> re 03:04 < Mike1> ping rxr 03:05 < rxr> pong 03:05 < Freak> rxr: getting my msgs? 03:05 < Mike1> daja77: mnemoc_ gees i was more hungry than i though 03:05 < Freak> re Mike1 03:05 < Mike1> hi Freaky 03:05 < Mike1> rxr: good you are here 03:05 < Mike1> rxr: you saw you were looking for me earlier today 03:05 < Mike1> rxr: anything i can do for you my friend? 03:06 < mnemoc_> <daja77> Mike1: eat faster next time :P 03:06 < cchamilt> heimdal is clean now 03:06 < rxr> Mike1: what do you mean? 03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: great 03:07 < cchamilt> only took a few hours of random patching 03:07 < rxr> cchamilt: what did you patch ? 03:07 < Mike1> rxr: ---> [20:03] < rxr> Mike1: are you here? 03:07 < cchamilt> god awful amountof shared files 03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: hehe, have you commit to cvs yet? 03:07 * rxr does not remember the context ... 03:07 < cchamilt> very messy install 03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: else can you mail me the patch so i can apply it here 03:08 < rxr> cvs ? 03:08 < Mike1> rxr: techworx cvs ... 03:08 < cchamilt> That may be best, I didn't sync with our cvs yet 03:08 < rxr> Mike1: I do not remeber what I watned at that time ... 03:08 < Mike1> cchamilt: ok so send me the patch so i can look at it, test it and merge it with the rest of my changes in a bit 03:09 < Mike1> rxr: ah ok :( 03:13 < rxr> so iproute2 fixed for dietlibc (I hope) 03:13 < rxr> cchamilt: interested ? 03:14 < cchamilt> iproute2 is low priority for us. 03:14 < cchamilt> I don't have a broken version now either after some cleanups. 03:14 < cchamilt> I would have looked at it if I did. 03:15 < cchamilt> Now I have to restart a doomed bootdisk to get a look. 03:15 < Mike1> rxr: good, i will merge the fix with our boot target 03:18 < Mike1> rxr: the iproute2 fix have not been included in svn have it? 03:19 < rxr> no - not yet - still testing ... 03:19 < Mike1> rxr: mm... ok 03:30 < rxr> esden: around ? 03:36 < Freak> ry 03:36 < Freak> dang typing in bed is nogood. 03:36 < Freak> rxr: its working. had to enter the tun's adress as gateway in osx. 03:37 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 03:42 < rxr> Freak: ah - ok 03:45 < Freak> its just that the ipadresses may differ each time mol is called up.. so you'd have to change it each time.. well I'll see.. 03:47 < Mike1> n8 all 03:47 < Freak> gnite mike 03:48 < cchamilt> Does anyone know if we have fontconfig? 03:48 < rxr> cchamilt: huh? sure we have ... 03:49 < cchamilt> What package is it in? 03:49 < rxr> included in XFree since version 4.3 03:49 < cchamilt> Trying to get pango to build without x 03:49 < cchamilt> Explains 03:49 < cchamilt> Things... 03:58 < cchamilt> shoot, need a fontconfig package it appears 04:00 < rxr> cchamilt: how does it comes that you start using IRC ? 04:01 < cchamilt> My mail is flaky to the list right now. 04:03 < cchamilt> I am building mail server product, but have bad mail servers myself 04:05 < rxr> no good commercial ... 04:06 < cchamilt> Well if it helps, I am using the same stuff. Of course that means it isn't well tested... 04:07 < rxr> ... to not work ;-) 04:07 * rxr just joking ... - I hope you get this ... ;-) 04:07 < cchamilt> Yes. 04:07 < cchamilt> It actually works well I think now. 04:08 < cchamilt> fontconfig worked, but no pango is not compiling... 04:08 < rxr> the product is baed uppon sendmail, postfix, exim, or ? 04:09 < cchamilt> shoot thai needs x for some reason. And I will need thai... 04:10 < cchamilt> Cyrus and exim 04:13 < rxr> wow - now we are at reb 590 ... 04:13 < rxr> it this continues at this speed we'll have an higher rev then the svn folks itself ... 04:16 < rxr> at the end of the year 04:32 < rxr> n8 04:33 < mnemoc_> n8 04:41 < cchamilt> crap pango config is too flaky for my state of brain 04:41 < cchamilt> need sleep 04:50 < mnemoc_> wow.... i can believe winex 'typo' 04:52 < mnemoc_> i must enlist blindcoder in the destabilization project... -broken rock- 05:00 < n00kie> lennox "won" 05:01 < n00kie> klitschko had a hard cut over his eye 05:01 < n00kie> so he can't fight any longer 05:01 < mnemoc_> o_O 05:02 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B3638.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 05:14 < mnemoc_> gn8 n00kie 05:19 < n00kie> sleep well mnemoc_ :) 05:20 < n00kie> Sweet dreams 06:13 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:13 < holyolli> moin 06:14 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M281P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:14 < holyolli> hi n00kie 06:28 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M309P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:44 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 10:22 < daja77> re 11:05 < netrunner> moin 11:05 < daja77> moin netrunner 11:06 < netrunner> hi daja77. did you notice that vim is built fine in 5, but fails in 9? 11:06 * daja77 doesn't do stage 9 builds 11:07 < netrunner> hm ... but there must be a reason why 9 is there, no? 11:07 < daja77> don't ask me, it is a waste of cpu cycles if you ask me 11:07 < netrunner> daja77: ok, so in future I'll skip it :) 11:07 < daja77> :)) 11:09 * daja77 off now, breakfast 11:09 < netrunner> daja77: an guadn :) 11:09 < daja77> hehe thx 11:10 * daja77 wonders how many bavarians he'l meet here ... 11:11 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522B5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:14 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mnemoc_, parabull 11:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc_, parabull 11:21 -!- Auzain [~Auzain@Mix-Nancy-105-1-205.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:21 < Auzain> good morning 11:21 < daja77> hi Auzain 11:21 < daja77> cu, off now 11:22 < Auzain> hi, I tried this svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk 11:22 < Auzain> and the resond was 11:23 < Auzain> svn: Obstructed update 11:24 < Auzain> svn: revision 591 doesn't match existing revision 584 in 'rock-trunk' 11:24 < Auzain> what should I do? 11:24 < Auzain> to update my rock-trunk? 11:26 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909CA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:28 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:28 < Auzain> hi tcr 11:28 < Auzain> can you help me with svn? 11:29 < Auzain> I tried this svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk 11:29 < Auzain> the answer is 11:29 < Auzain> svn: Obstructed update 11:29 < tcr> moin Auzain. 11:30 < Auzain> svn: revision 591 doesn't match existing revision 584 in 'rock-trunk' 11:31 < tcr> As a completely svn dilettante, I'd say rxr b0rked something internally (maybe branched wrongly) 11:32 < Auzain> ok 11:33 -!- kasc [~kasc@p509091AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:34 < tcr> moin kasc. 11:35 < Auzain> does someone know where change numpad , to . in gnome? 11:37 < Auzain> mdr: glibc23 segmentation fault by building it,,, 11:37 < tcr> with xmodmap 11:38 < Auzain> thanks 11:38 < Auzain> is there now a solution to recovery glibc? 11:39 < tcr> You should bug that on the mailinglist. 11:39 < tcr> Send an email describing your config/architecture/etc and attach the error log 11:39 < Auzain> don't understand why: install drock then Update-System, that's all,,, 11:39 < daja77> Auzain: if you already have rock-trunk, cd in this dir and do a svn up 11:40 < tcr> moin daja77 11:40 < daja77> moin tcr 11:40 < Auzain> the problem is, I have no more console 11:41 < daja77> ?????! 11:41 * tcr is deleting 15.000 src.* dirs created yesterday by a bug in Build-Target/Build-Pkg 11:41 < Auzain> what's wrong ? 11:41 < Auzain> daja77: install drock then Update-System, that's all,,, 11:41 < daja77> what about no more consoles, just use that one in which you had that error 11:42 < Auzain> doesn't work now 11:42 < daja77> damn I am back later sorry 11:42 < Auzain> core dump 11:42 < Auzain> core dumped 11:43 < tcr> hmm 11:44 < tcr> Update-System fucked up your system. Maybe it tried to remove your old working glibc version with the new corrupted one. 11:44 < tcr> s,remove,replace, 11:45 < Auzain> that's why i wanted to update rock-trunk 11:45 < tcr> Don't think that is fixed. 11:45 < tcr> So best thing is to send a bug report 11:45 < Auzain> revision 584 crashed, and the beta5 too 11:45 < tcr> hum 11:46 < Auzain> will retry, must reinstall drock 11:46 < tcr> but make a note about your current environment first! 11:47 < Auzain> fürs protocol: drock small install says kernel panic 11:47 < Auzain> bis bald 11:47 < tcr> tschuess 11:48 * netrunner -> sun 11:49 < netrunner> current errs can be reviewed at https://www.anvame.net/~andreas/rocklinux/err/gamer-2.0.0-beta6-x86-pentium3-generic-expert-rev579/?M=A 12:02 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522B5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 12:05 -!- Auzain [~Auzain@Mix-Nancy-105-1-205.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:51 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA3C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Mess with the best, die like the rest!") 13:10 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FD43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:10 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FB8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4FD43.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:10 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:52 -!- Auzain [~root@Mix-Nancy-106-2-97.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 13:52 < Auzain> re 13:53 < Auzain> someone here? first time I use irc console mode... 13:53 < daja77> cool! 13:54 < Auzain> daja77: cool to use irc in a console? 13:54 < daja77> yes 13:55 < Auzain> must find a second monitor to try dual head of my matrox 550 13:55 < daja77> rock works now? 13:56 < Auzain> I'm about to build a target to see 13:56 < daja77> ;-) 13:56 < Auzain> it's about glibc23, wait and see... 13:57 < Auzain> do you know wath about framebuffer and dual head? 13:58 < daja77> nope 13:58 < rxr> re 13:58 < Auzain> framebuffer it's ok, but dual head? 13:58 < Auzain> tag rxr 13:59 < daja77> hi rxr, how are you 14:00 < rxr> daja77: aside that I track dietlibc issues ? 14:00 < daja77> yepp ;-) 14:01 < Auzain> rxr: a little query, would it possible to choise keymap at the beginning of the 2nd install stage? 14:01 < rxr> Auzain: that is on the todo ... 14:01 < Auzain> ooops 14:02 < rxr> Auzain: only limitted by available time ... 14:02 < Auzain> where is this todo? 14:03 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20 14:03 < rxr> and there the todo link 14:03 < Auzain> ok 14:03 < rxr> I'll also setup a issue tracker (like bugzilla) - but I have not yet the time 14:04 < Auzain> yes good, I want ask about, now I know... 14:04 < daja77> bugzilla omg 14:04 < daja77> what about gnats? 14:04 < rxr> daja77: because of the omg - I also for an alternative ... 14:05 < Auzain> omg? 14:05 < daja77> Auzain: oh my god ;-) 14:05 < Auzain> :-)) 14:06 < daja77> rxr: try gnats ;-) bsds are using it 14:06 < rxr> the gcc people drop gnats in favour of bugzilla.... 14:06 * Auzain todo: neues worterbuch anfangen 14:07 < daja77> Auzain: https://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ ;-) 14:07 < Auzain> gibt's da dict.irc? 14:08 < daja77> dunno 14:09 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:10 < daja77> hi Ge0rG 14:10 < Ge0rG> hello 14:10 < rxr> hello Ge0rG 14:10 < daja77> Ge0rG: haven't met alita so far ... 14:11 < Ge0rG> daja77: ok, I'll ask her next time I see her :] 14:11 < daja77> okis :) 14:12 < Auzain> da ich zu hause bin, mach ich mal pppoff, bis spater... 14:12 < daja77> cu 14:12 -!- Auzain [~root@Mix-Nancy-106-2-97.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit () 14:14 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B337A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M309P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:27 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M281P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:39 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B337A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 14:44 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B337A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 -!- Kaz [~kaz@p71-77.acedsl.com] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 -!- Kaz [~kaz@p71-77.acedsl.com] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 15:29 < rxr> cool the U5 now finished kdebase ;-) 15:31 < daja77> cool! 15:32 < daja77> == 15:24:01 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.5 2.0.0-beta6]. 15:49 < rxr> daja77: please do a svn up to get the code which should build the bootdisk nicer ... 16:00 < daja77> ahem will there be a problem with generic build when I) do a svn up? 16:01 < rxr> daja77: you could do a diff first to see what has changed ... 16:01 < daja77> or read your commit mail 16:07 < daja77> nah won't do update, sorry 16:08 < daja77> dietlibc stuff changed too :-( 16:23 * daja77 reading cliffords rock foils, good stuff 16:43 -!- reenoo [~r@p50867FBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:43 < reenoo> hi 16:44 < daja77> hi reenoo 16:55 < reenoo> seems like this one is still not available in .de : https://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2 16:55 < reenoo> :( 17:07 < rxr> daja77: the dietlibc stuff is to fix the bootdisk ... 17:08 < daja77> but it would affect my generic build as well 17:09 < esden> daja77: not really 17:09 < daja77> -v 17:09 < esden> the change is only affecting packages that are built with dietlibc 17:09 < esden> so it affects currently only dietlibctarget .. and the bootdisctarget 17:20 < reenoo> esden: just curious... are you still using lcdproc? 17:21 < daja77> is it a good idea to do svn up while build is running? 17:25 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@D027e.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:25 < hopelessOwl> hi 17:26 < reenoo> bbl 17:28 < daja77> hi hopelessOwl 17:47 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M309P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 18:10 < daja77> how can I remove the bootdisk build only? 18:11 < hopelessOwl> rm -rf build/bootdisk[...] or so? 18:11 < daja77> nope this destroys the filesystem, btdt 18:11 < hopelessOwl> O_o 18:12 < daja77> don't ask me why 18:13 < hopelessOwl> <-- says nothing *cough* *cough* 18:13 < daja77> I guess it is because of special files in it 18:13 < daja77> but stupid Cleanup can only do full or no build removal 18:14 < hopelessOwl> hm. implement it 18:14 * daja77 working on his speech 18:16 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157026202.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:16 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157026202.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:16 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157026202.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:26 < rxr> daja77: nope it shoudl work - the only problem is rm -rf src.* ... 18:27 < daja77> last time I did it I needed 30min to repair the filesystem 18:31 < rxr> my u5 crashed some minutes ago :-( 18:32 < daja77> why 18:37 < rxr> during CD recodring - do not know ... 18:37 < rxr> just freezed ... 18:37 < daja77> damn 18:38 * daja77 just can't resist doin some advertising for rock on #svn 18:39 < rxr> hehe 18:39 * rxr just reburning the ISO - see what happens ... 18:44 -!- Auzain [~root@Mix-Nancy-106-3-150.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 18:44 < Auzain> re 18:44 < Auzain> daja77 ? 18:45 < daja77> yepp, what's up 18:45 < Auzain> jemand da? 18:45 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD95885F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 < tsa> hi all 18:45 < daja77> Auzain: _ja_ 18:45 < daja77> hi tsa 18:46 < Auzain> hab noch nie so viele src.binutils.10524655654... gesehen 18:46 < daja77> *ggg* 18:46 < daja77> die kannst Du dann mit scripts/Cleanup wieder entfernen 18:46 < Auzain> das ist bekannt glaube ich? 18:47 < daja77> ahem das ist kein fehler ... 18:47 < Auzain> wieso? 18:48 < daja77> das ist nur das verzeichnis in dem binutils gebaut wurde 18:48 < Auzain> aber so viele: hunderte... 18:48 < daja77> hunderte 18:48 < daja77> ?! 18:49 < Auzain> das fing an mit iproute2 glaube ich 18:50 < Auzain> nun mach ich noch ein test mit dem letzten svn update (594?) 18:51 < hopelessOwl> wann wird eigenltich 2.0 releast? 18:51 < mnemoc_> english please :( 18:51 < rxr> hm - sun has not yet crashed again ... 18:51 < daja77> mnemoc_: sorry Auzains has problems with english, forgive us 18:51 < rxr> I wonder if I should palce my spare DVD into the UlraSPARC 5 ... 18:51 < Auzain> ist schon der 2.: das erste mal hat was mit gawk nicht geklappt 18:51 < mnemoc_> forgiven :P 18:52 < daja77> mnemoc_: :) 18:52 < tsa> rxr: python 2.2.3 18:52 < rxr> Auzain: you build the bootdisk ? 18:52 < rxr> hi tsa 18:52 < hopelessOwl> hi tsa 18:53 < tsa> rxr: ..builds for me, but i don't know about other packages that might depend on it.. 18:53 < rxr> Mike1: ping 18:53 < Auzain> rxr: I must build a bootdisk befor a target? 18:53 < rxr> Auzain: the order does not matter 18:53 < tsa> rxr: so feel free to update if you want to. 18:53 < rxr> Auzain: but the bootdisk was broken for some hours this night 18:54 < rxr> I already fixed this - just do a svn up, and either remove the buil/.../var/adm/log/ 18:54 < rxr> *.errr 18:54 < rxr> or rebuild all ... 18:54 < rxr> or you can select "retry building broken packages" in the ./scripts/Config 18:57 < tsa> rxr: 18:57 < tsa> [D] 4180771244 Python-2.2.3.tgz ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/python/2.2.3/ 18:57 < daja77> hopelessOwl: you should try beta6 it is quite good 18:57 < Auzain> rxr: how should I build bootdisk? (or you mean target?) 18:58 < daja77> Auzain: yepp bootdisk target 18:58 < hopelessOwl> daja77: *cough* *cough* i won't plan to do this... i just want to know if and when there will be a release of 2.0 18:59 < Auzain> that's what I try, but have a problem with gawk (lost the log :-], sorry 18:59 < rxr> hopelessOwl: I hope you make sure you open up all you changes properly (not just an empty tar) - otherwise I'll sue you for violating the GPL ... 18:59 < rxr> hopelessOwl: remeber to keep all the orignial copyrights ... 19:00 < hopelessOwl> rxr: i deleted the rock-srces... i won't fork rock... (as i planned it once...) 19:00 < hopelessOwl> (if i'm not giving up coding/hacking... ) 19:01 < rxr> hopelessOwl: and for what reason are you begging for a 2.0 release all the time ? 19:01 < daja77> hopelessOwl: hehe svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk ;) 19:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: 2.4.22-pre1? ;) 19:02 < hopelessOwl> rxr: i want to know if the rock-team is "in time" 19:02 * daja77 kicks mnemoc_ 19:02 < mnemoc_> ouch 19:02 < mnemoc_> The .22 cycle is expected to be much shorter than .21. 19:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: nope - I also considered it because of the ACPI stuff - but too many people rejected it ... 19:03 < rxr> mnemoc_: yes - we'll see - we do not need each unstable test version of the kernel (it might be even counter-productive ...) 19:03 < daja77> ack 19:03 * daja77 off now 19:03 < daja77> cu later 19:03 < mnemoc_> :( 19:03 < hopelessOwl> bye daja77 19:03 < Auzain> bis dan daja77 19:04 < hopelessOwl> +n 19:06 < Auzain> see you tomorrow 19:06 -!- Auzain [~root@Mix-Nancy-106-3-150.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Leaving") 19:06 < hopelessOwl> root?!!! WTF?! 19:09 < rxr> hopelessOwl: we are not in time - but how does this help you ? 19:10 < hopelessOwl> nope.. 19:10 < hopelessOwl> just wanted to know :p 19:10 < rxr> so why do you ask so often? 19:10 < hopelessOwl> why this aggressive "ton"? 19:10 < hopelessOwl> hm. just interested... 19:11 < rxr> hey hopelessOwl we wanted to have 2.0 at 19C3 - it is now 6 months later ... 19:11 < hopelessOwl> hm. at 19c3? uff. :-/ 19:11 < rxr> hopelessOwl: because this ROCK sucks - I do my own dist and troll around here the wohle time gets on my nerves .... 19:11 < hopelessOwl> well... then i can leave... 19:11 < hopelessOwl> goodbye 19:12 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@D027e.pppool.de] has left #rocklinux ("...") 19:12 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@D027e.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:13 < hopelessOwl> aeh. i forgot to mention: i was here, because i wanted to meet some people who seems not to willed to join #anarchy ... but if i'm not wanted here 19:13 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@D027e.pppool.de] has left #rocklinux () 19:15 * tfing bets she will come back tomorrow 19:20 < rxr> cool - bootdisk target finished. 19:25 < rxr> with the HEAD svn the linuxrc is on the bootdisk during the frst run ... 19:28 < rxr> hm - the 2nd SCSI card does not seem to run relyable in the U5... 19:34 < cchamilt> how do I solve massive shared file problems? 19:35 < cchamilt> heimdal does more I forgot about - replaces most simple network progs with kerberos ones 19:35 < cchamilt> I would manually copy, but there are a ton of man and include files to manage too. 19:35 < mnemoc_> are you using install_wrapper? 19:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M309P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 < SMP> d'oh 20:04 < rxr> SMP: hm? 20:06 < SMP> nothing 20:06 < rxr> d'oh is nothing ? 20:06 < rxr> hi btw ;-) 20:07 < cchamilt> install_wrapper? 20:07 < rxr> cchamilt: see rolling rock - last issue 20:11 < cchamilt> Just a general fashion tip for most people... 20:11 < cchamilt> Sun glasses are not cool anymore. 20:13 -!- tsa_ [~tsa@p5082DD7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 < cchamilt> OK. how would I use install_wrapper to block (not change) a file install? 20:14 < mnemoc_> why block? 20:14 < cchamilt> change it to /dev/null? 20:14 < cchamilt> heimdal is very very bad 20:15 < SMP> haha 20:15 < cchamilt> don't want netbad libc headers replacing glibc much less existing on our system 20:15 < cchamilt> netbsd that is 20:15 < SMP> guess it overwrites hundreds of .h 20:15 < SMP> just install it in /usr/heimdal, really 20:15 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD95885F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:15 < cchamilt> Just some, but it is disturbing 20:16 < SMP> packages that use heimdal are trained to find it at this prefix 20:16 < mnemoc_> if it does use a different prefix why to censure it? 20:16 < cchamilt> Most of it comes down to copping out on handling porting crectly. 20:16 < cchamilt> Really? 20:17 < cchamilt> sasl ldap php cyrus pam_krb5 seem to find it at /usr of course I think I told most of them... 20:18 < SMP> take a look at the cofigure if it has a test for /usr/heimdal if not supplied 20:18 < cchamilt> is it really good to have another thing off /usr? 20:18 < mnemoc_> but you could add -I/usr/heimdl by config 20:19 < cchamilt> It may have it. 20:19 < cchamilt> Should we use put heimdal in /usr/heimdal? 20:19 < cchamilt> mit I think is in /usr 20:20 < mnemoc_> we can't let it overwrite them.... a prefix looks like the proper solution 20:20 < mnemoc_> rxr: opinion? 20:20 < cchamilt> Yeah, but nothing should use the netbsd stuff not even heimdal 20:20 < cchamilt> heimdal is just lazy 20:21 < cchamilt> instead of ifdef ing their code, they basically check if your includes are what they want 20:21 < cchamilt> and if not, use their own against your libc. 20:22 < cchamilt> It is less than 10 that clash I think. 20:23 < cchamilt> Most problems are ones like ftp should be named kftp or something. 20:24 < cchamilt> thinking on /usr/heimdal 20:25 < cchamilt> /etc/krb5.conf and several other conf files are hard coded as standards. 20:25 < cchamilt> There is a /var/heimdal to hold key stashes. 20:25 < SMP> problem is you can't use a --program-transform-name to prefix a 'k' without doubleing the initial 'k' on binaries that already have it 20:25 < SMP> because sed regexp is not powerful enough 20:26 < cchamilt> I think those I can do by hand too. 20:26 < cchamilt> Just need to know how to 'not' install some .h's 20:26 < SMP> btw. I'd suggest using 'k5', not just 'k' 20:26 < cchamilt> OK 20:27 < SMP> to avoid double-clashes with krb4 ;) 20:27 < cchamilt> Should rock use heimdal or mit anyway? 20:27 < SMP> it should be configurable :)) 20:27 < cchamilt> Heh, yeah right. 20:28 < cchamilt> Not exactly similar implementations 20:28 < cchamilt> Neither is perfect. 20:28 < SMP> personally I am in favor of heimdal, but some applications only support MIT krb5 20:28 < cchamilt> That can be hacked if they are opensource. 20:29 < cchamilt> It may take changing some interface calls to do it. 20:29 < SMP> yeah, anyway you can't get the best of both worlds .. 20:29 < cchamilt> I am not sure how complete heimdal is either. 20:30 < cchamilt> It is lazy in many ways. Somehow though I think it has better code than mit. 20:30 < cchamilt> Neither are well documented. 20:30 < SMP> it's not so hard to write better code than the average MIT project ;> 20:31 < cchamilt> Neither follow spec exactly. 20:31 < cchamilt> Bad thing is that mit has moved through many maintainers I think. 20:32 < cchamilt> They have no idea what is in their code and are not aware of where all they don't follow spec. 20:33 < cchamilt> At least following lists this for a few months gives me this impression. 20:34 < cchamilt> Heimdal is supposedly more endian safe and is also more oss. 20:34 < cchamilt> MIT is used by most American companies accept MSoft. 20:35 < cchamilt> MSoft actually had some of its AD done by the heimdal lead. 20:41 -!- garlopf [~mil@181.80-202-114.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:42 < cchamilt> MIT and Heimdal don't play well in some mixed environments - ie. one client, the other server. 20:42 < garlopf> hi :) i have been attempting to install rock linux for some time now, but in vain.. 20:42 < garlopf> i have come as far as choosing all the packages, installing them to the target, and running the install scripts (from the drockl isos) 20:44 < cchamilt> garlopf: Yes? 20:45 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:45 < holyolli> moin 20:45 < garlopf> im not THAT experienced with linux, but isnt there an editor that i can use for editing all tose handy config files? 20:45 < garlopf> those 20:45 < garlopf> like grub.conf 20:45 < garlopf> i fear my q's are faq'ish 20:46 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:46 < cchamilt> vi? 20:47 < garlopf> i didnt see any vi executable anywhere, and typing vi didnt work 20:47 < cchamilt> which iso? 20:47 < garlopf> the drockl one 20:47 < garlopf> drock even 20:48 < cchamilt> which version? 20:48 < garlopf> hm i figure it was the latest.. wait.. il find out 20:48 < cchamilt> 1.4x, 1.6x, 2.0 betas ... 20:49 < cchamilt> not that i am an expert at drock. 20:49 < garlopf> 1.6 20:50 < garlopf> i wanted somethiong stable 20:50 < cchamilt> Hmm. 20:50 < garlopf> so i dint take any beta stuff 20:50 < cchamilt> Heh, stable is always relative. 20:50 < garlopf> ;) 20:50 < garlopf> yeah 20:51 < garlopf> should i go for 2.0 then? 20:51 < cchamilt> No idea why vi link wouldnt be there. 20:51 < garlopf> hm. ok how would i go about making that link? 20:51 < SMP> well, do you have vim ? 20:52 < garlopf> it stat box thingy that es a common executable for all the commands right? 20:52 < cchamilt> Of I can't recommend 2.0 as they are better, but not sure which isos we have. 20:52 < cchamilt> busybox should have vi on the bootdisk i think. 20:52 < cchamilt> try ./busybox vi 20:52 < garlopf> ok thx 20:53 < cchamilt> I believe busybox is on drock - never used drock... 20:53 < cchamilt> rock at that time had busybox... 20:54 < garlopf> ok. 20:55 < garlopf> i just want to make a small install for a node in a cluster 20:55 < garlopf> so far rock seems like the way to go : 20:55 < garlopf> :) 20:55 < garlopf> i like the concept 20:55 < cchamilt> If you are building your own later use the 2.0 20:56 < garlopf> ok .. 20:56 < cchamilt> it is bloated but much cooler for designingyour own distro 20:56 < rxr> garlopf: if you experiense a problem - yes go to 2.0 - we already released -beta5 - and have -beta4+fixes ISOs ... 20:57 < rxr> cchamilt: boated ? 20:57 < holyolli> hi rxr 20:57 < rxr> hi holyolli 20:57 < holyolli> rxr: didn't you recieve my email? 20:57 < rxr> holyolli: erh - ah yes there was s.th. ... - /me gets too much mails ... 20:57 < rxr> sorry holyolli 20:57 < cchamilt> rxr: when the designs were first discussed i thought this would naturally be the way to go 20:57 < holyolli> rxr: no prob. just wanted to know, because i had some probs with my mails ;) 20:58 < garlopf> ok.. is there a minimal boot disk that will download packages, or will I have to dl the whole iso again? 20:58 < cchamilt> rxr: just some of the concepts like choosing glibc are not proving to be useful. 20:59 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E79166.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:59 < rxr> garlopf: full ISO - or build via source 21:00 < rxr> cchamilt: hm? This is jus a so tiny part - and you call it bloated? And in fact choosing the compiler and kernel has proved to be usefull ... 21:00 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 21:00 < martin> hmmm, hi rxr 21:01 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Freak 21:01 < cchamilt> rxr: kernel and compiler yes. Just in general there is more stuff. 21:02 < cchamilt> rxr: The build system is much better and safer, but quite a lot of changes to do it. 21:03 < cchamilt> rxr: Really, mine/gem is about the only thing that may be bloat I guess. glibc is just not able to be implemented well... 21:05 < rxr> hae? What part of the glibc selection is not implemented well ? 21:05 < rxr> and I do not get why gem/mine is bloat ... 21:05 < cchamilt> rxr: have you tried a glibc2.2 build lately? 21:06 < cchamilt> rxr: (hint - errno) 21:06 < rxr> no - I have not tries it - but this should not be that hard to be fixed ... 21:07 < cchamilt> rxr: mine doesn't do much more than the old package system 21:07 < cchamilt> rxr: glibx is just an example of the way people fix things... 21:08 < rxr> cchamilt: what way to fix things to you mean? 21:08 < cchamilt> rxr: we all moved to 2.3, so we fixed for 2.3 and ignored the side-effects. 21:09 < cchamilt> rxr: really the errno patches would ideally take into account all possible needs. 21:09 < cchamilt> rxr: as developers though, that may be hard to remember to use a ifdef 21:10 < rxr> errno.h is not present on a glibc-2.2 system ? 21:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Freak 21:10 < cchamilt> rxr: of course rock could also have patches for a specific package types for each package ie. glibc23-1.patch 21:11 < rxr> fixing the package to not define some extern into errno - but to include errno.h and so use the proper errno define from glibc should work for both ... 21:11 < rxr> cchamilt: obviously that would be ufly like hell ... 21:12 < cchamilt> errno.h is on my glibc22 system, might not be on 21 I guess. 21:13 < cchamilt> my point though more shallow, is that we can't check all build parameters. 21:13 < cchamilt> Well right now we have bob_scratches_butt.patch 21:14 < cchamilt> It is more a good guideline I think to name patches more specific 21:14 < cchamilt> whether the system uses/requires the info. 21:15 < rxr> cchamilt: sure - we cant't check all build parameters ... - but we should not remove them since they might be usefull for other (btw - we do not yet know if all platforms work correctly with glibc-2.3 ...) 21:16 < cchamilt> I am not sure x86 p3 does. 21:16 < rxr> but this we cannot test all thing is why I started a regression tester to regularly test the most usefull combinations ...x 21:16 < cchamilt> Anyone else see something weird in editting text in 1.7+? 21:17 < cchamilt> When lines physically wrap, they tend to append the line below especially if 21:18 < cchamilt> this is triggered by adding text to the middle of the line 21:18 < cchamilt> I see this a lot in pine, kwrite, and some others. Can't remember about vim as it doesn't wrap the same way. 21:19 < cchamilt> If it was one text editor I would ignore it. 21:19 < rxr> cchamilt: which common code should kwrite and pine have ? 21:19 < cchamilt> no idea 21:20 < cchamilt> that is why it is strange and makes me worry. 21:20 < rxr> I never had prolems with xemacs, vim or any KDE application with line wrapping 21:21 < cchamilt> to my knowledge, little other than the build chain is shared 21:21 < rxr> the only problem I have is the damned bash - but this for years ... (maybe I should finally start to gdb this ...) 21:21 < cchamilt> maybe my crusoe has some malicious morphing software... 21:22 < rxr> crusoe embedded board - or laptop ? 21:22 < cchamilt> Maybe it is legacy from glibc 2.2-2.3 crossover 21:22 < cchamilt> laptop 21:22 < cchamilt> This box has the mangled glob.h 21:23 < rxr> hm - I just tested my kwrite wraps lines just fine .. 21:23 < rxr> holyolli: I'll add some of the points in your mail to the do to later. 21:23 < cchamilt> its a strange little thing, hell on my php if wrapping is on default. 21:24 < cchamilt> btw how did you fix nssdb? 21:25 < mnemoc_> replacing -ldb-3 with /usr/lib/libdb-3.so was freak 21:26 < cchamilt> does it crash apache, etc. still? 21:26 < cchamilt> it amazes me how many things link to nss 21:26 < reenoo> cchamilt: model/brand of the crusoe laptop? 21:27 < cchamilt> I have seen other distros similar gdb traces that dont show it 21:27 < cchamilt> 5800 933MHz 21:27 < cchamilt> Fujistu 2120 I think. 21:28 < reenoo> cchamilt: I assume you're not from .de, right? otherwise I'd be interested in where you've got it from ;) 21:29 < cchamilt> I shipped it from the us to singapore 21:29 < cchamilt> singapore has crappy prices 21:30 < reenoo> oh... neat... details please :) 21:30 < cchamilt> I am from the us, so I just ship it to my parents and on to me. No big deal. 21:31 < reenoo> ah ok 21:31 < cchamilt> The market here is bad, so retailers responde by about a 20% hike in prices. 21:31 < cchamilt> Not exactly economics majors... 21:32 < reenoo> ouch 21:32 < cchamilt> Grey market here is huge, just they charge too much now too. 21:33 < reenoo> I wouldn't mind a slightly higher price though, if I could get the p2120 here at all... 21:34 < cchamilt> I got mine for about US$2000 total including fedex to .sg and 384MB, extended batt, and second batt. 21:35 < reenoo> yeah... that would rock 21:35 < cchamilt> We have a flat 5% tax on customs/sales. 21:36 < cchamilt> Used to be 3%, another economic measure to ensure the government has money... 21:37 < cchamilt> I guess all taxes start at 0 though... :) 21:45 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E79166.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("bye bye") 21:58 -!- n00kie is now known as [n00kie] 22:10 < garlopf> cchamilt: you know about mpp? 22:15 -!- [n00kie]_ [~n00kie@M314P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:15 -!- [n00kie] [~n00kie@M309P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:30 < cchamilt> mpp? 22:31 < cchamilt> the project? 22:34 < cchamilt> garlopf:? 22:40 < garlopf> yes 22:40 < garlopf> or the subject.. 22:40 < garlopf> im trying to get it working .. 22:41 < garlopf> but i am having a hard time finding a distribution ready for installing on a node of a cluster 22:41 < garlopf> oh its you! heh.. :) i just sent you an email :) 22:41 < cchamilt> Oh, well that project is dead for now. 22:41 < garlopf> ok 22:41 < cchamilt> It is two years old. 22:42 < garlopf> did it rpoduce anything useful? 22:42 < cchamilt> I am trying to get budget for company to start it again Q4. 22:42 < garlopf> ok 22:43 < cchamilt> It worked well on x86, though it was good at the time, everyone elses 'beowulf' stuff is the same. 22:43 < cchamilt> MSC.Linux had possibilities, but I think they aren't doing much with their distro now. 22:44 < garlopf> so there are alot of "dead" projects around.. 22:44 < cchamilt> HPC clusters is actually quite dead now for development in general. 22:45 < garlopf> it couldnt be that difficult.. a minimal linux distro that just had pvm/lam and some install/management tools 22:45 < cchamilt> NPACI ROCKS is about the only thing most people use around here. 22:45 < cchamilt> Yep. 22:45 < garlopf> npaci? 22:45 < cchamilt> I got carried away on extra libraries. 22:45 < garlopf> i c.. 22:45 < cchamilt> It is a python based kicker installer for redhat. 22:46 < garlopf> ok 22:46 < cchamilt> The idea is that for some reason, you can't trust what is installed on your nodes. 22:46 < cchamilt> rebooting forces a complete reinstall to sync everything. 22:47 < cchamilt> Not sure what real value this has if the cluster was configured right to begin with. 22:47 < garlopf> hm.. 22:48 < cchamilt> I agree that network install based syncs are good, just this is like doing it every day. 22:49 < garlopf> well it couldnt hurt on 100mbps eth or more, since the install would be really tiny 22:50 < cchamilt> I think sun's grid stuff and ganglia as the monitor is the best actual oss admin tools for clustering. 22:50 < garlopf> i like sun :) 22:50 < cchamilt> I may make a bootp for Rock that does a pull like npaci rocks if it is needed. 22:51 < garlopf> is npaci rocks a full linux distro or what? 22:51 < cchamilt> Again, this is after current projects and if the market looks better in q4 for clusters. 22:51 < cchamilt> Its a selection of redhat packages and a reinstall manager. 22:52 < esden> hi all!!! 22:52 < holyolli> btw. is there any howto for making rock-html-pages? i want to put my (old) alpha-isos online 22:52 < garlopf> ok *reading at website* 22:52 < holyolli> huhu esden 22:52 < cchamilt> It runs a mysql backend of what different node types do what. 22:52 < cchamilt> hhi 22:52 < esden> holyolli: you mean for www.rocklinux.org/people/holyolli ? 22:53 < holyolli> esden: nope. i have the files on my server and just want to make some html pages for it 22:54 < holyolli> esden: it's the (unstable/old) alpha-iso and some documentation about alphas 22:55 < holyolli> esden: that there's at least anything on the alpha-section of rock 22:57 < garlopf> heh :) this will be a fun exercise.. making a "CLUSTER NODE" rock target 22:57 < esden> holyolli: hmm .. right ... I have the alpha port pages in my people directory 22:57 < esden> you can take a look in it ... 22:58 < esden> get the index.in and edit it 22:58 < cchamilt> garlopf: That would be great. 22:58 < esden> the doc should be in the www.rocklinux.org/people/ directory 22:58 < esden> I mean the doc howto write the in files 22:58 < holyolli> ok 22:59 < holyolli> esden: thx 23:00 < cchamilt> garlopf: Make sure you do it in Rock 2.0? 23:00 < garlopf> i ill :) 23:00 < garlopf> will 23:01 < cchamilt> garlopf: The HPC tool chain has changed somewhat if you start doing stuff like lapack... 23:02 < cchamilt> I have documentation I crafted for a really badly spec'ed cluster contract a few months back. 23:03 < daja77> re 23:03 < cchamilt> It might give you some ideas/help though I can't remember all it covered. 23:03 < daja77> cluster rock? 23:03 < garlopf> yeh i could need al the data i can get 23:04 < cchamilt> brb, digging in the fs 23:04 < garlopf> there should be a really sercure one called 23:04 < garlopf> arround the clock rock :P 23:04 < daja77> distributed rock install would be sufficient for me 23:06 < cchamilt> Oh crap, it uses Rocks and LSF. Still I can email it to you. It was a draft user guide to meet UAT for the contract Fujitsu lost. 23:07 < cchamilt> we subbed under them. 23:08 < cchamilt> garlopf: Didn't get your email yet unless you are promissing 3 more inches... 23:09 < cchamilt> daja77: there is some tools out there to support distributed install of clusters as is. Most are rpm based though. 23:10 < rxr> daja77: what kind of ditributed install do you mean? 23:10 < rxr> daja77: ah - only on clusters? No distirbuted install on a single box getting the binaries from peer-to-peer out of the inet ... ? 23:12 < cchamilt> daja77:They are more like centrallized distribution 23:12 < cchamilt> You can either have each node pull from a central db, or the head node can push to all sub nodes. 23:14 < cchamilt> Hmm. my email alias at rock may be gone now. It has been so long since I used it. 23:14 < cchamilt> I think it goes back to my school account. 23:14 < cchamilt> garlopf: try chris at techworx.net 23:19 < garlopf> ok 23:19 < garlopf> ask him what? 23:19 < cchamilt> well i need to know your email address if I am sending you docs :) 23:19 < rxr> Mike1: around ? 23:20 < garlopf> chimenigfx@yahoo.com or lennart@upmail.no any will do 23:25 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B337A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 23:27 < garlopf> hm.. im also a fan of diskless nodes 23:27 < garlopf> i want the stuff to boot over network 23:29 < garlopf> with the cheap memory available today disks merely mean more space, more power consumption and more space 23:29 < garlopf> er space= heat 23:29 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B337A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:29 -!- reenoo [~r@p50867FBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("sleep") 23:33 < garlopf> ok gotta go cya 23:33 -!- garlopf [~mil@181.80-202-114.nextgentel.com] has quit () 23:35 < cchamilt> I am going back to work... 23:40 < daja77> re, sorry 23:41 < daja77> rxr: I mean having a server with gem packages, and booting clients which can install their system from the net (without manual intervention) 23:43 < rxr> daja77: for this you only need a stone from file module and a tiny integration - should not be too hard ... 23:43 < rxr> mnemoc_: are you awake ? 23:43 < daja77> good 23:44 < daja77> can stone grab gems from a http server? 23:44 < rxr> daja77: it should (it has support - but I have not test it ...) 23:44 < rxr> daja77: you could even fetch the stage2 from a server ... 23:45 < daja77> rxr: I guess you don't mind if I test it in the near future 23:45 < rxr> nope - please test - I'm getting used to debugging gas_gui ... 23:45 < daja77> busy this week ... 23:46 * A-Tui is away: No nos daís miedo...... ni pena. 23:46 < daja77> btw anyone will have a look at my foils later? 23:48 < rxr> daja77: yes - I would like. de or en = 23:48 < rxr> ? 23:48 < daja77> de 23:48 < daja77> not online yet, heavy development .. ;-) 23:48 < holyolli> cya...the pool is calling ;-) 23:49 < daja77> holyolli: have fun 23:49 < holyolli> daja: thx..i will ;) 23:49 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 23:57 -!- A-Tui [~eof@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Client Exiting") 23:59 < rxr> SMP: do you have some comment about bugzilla - especially why not to use (exepct the too big issues)? --- Log closed Mon Jun 23 00:00:19 2003