--- Log opened Wed Jun 25 00:00:55 2003
--- Day changed Wed Jun 25 2003
00:01 < rxr> tsa: well - I'm still waiting for an AMD64 ...
00:02 < tsa> (this is a dual p3-750...nice machine, but rock builds still take ages.. )
00:03 < tsa> rxr: openssh patch should have arrived..
00:04 < rxr> tsa: jups it did
00:04 < tsa> ok
00:05 < esden> ok .. good night guys ... 
00:05 < tsa> cu esden
00:06 < rxr> n8 esden
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00:19 < jsaw> re
00:19 < tsa> hi jsaw
00:20 < jsaw> hi tsa.
00:20 < rxr> hi jsaw
00:22 < jsaw> hi rxr.
00:25 < jsaw> rxr: I tagged rockplug 0.0.2.
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00:26 < tsa> hi huebi
00:53 < rxr> re
00:53 < rxr> jsaw: nice
00:55 < rxr> good - replication of rockplug seems to work just fine, too ;-)
00:56 < jsaw> rxr: replication?
00:58 < rxr> jsaw: I mailed about this on rock-linux
00:58 < rxr> it is also on the SVN info page: schillernet.dyndns.org/svn
00:58 < rxr> the repositories are read-only replicated to gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
00:59 < rxr>  /svn
00:59 < rxr> for fail-over and load balancing ...
01:01 < jsaw> I remember now...
01:03 < rxr> patch from Clifford commited (somehow this feels interesting to have the patch stream go this way ... ;-)
01:06 < tsa> hehe
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01:23 < cchamilt> re
01:24 < cchamilt> Any good way for me to send to rock-linux on one mail server and archive mail-list on another?
01:24 < cchamilt> besides copying between imap folders...
01:32 < tsa> subscribe archiver@other-server to the mailing list..?
01:33 < rxr> how many use noatime here by default ?
01:33 < tsa> <-
01:33 < tsa> but not for all partition
01:33 < tsa> s
01:34 < tsa> (i don't need atimes on my mp3 collection or for /usr, but most /var/spool stuff needs it..
01:34 < tsa> )
01:35 < rxr> what stuff in /var/spool does need it ?
01:35 < tsa> mbox-style mailboxes, for example
01:36 < tsa> without atime, bash won't detect new mail and mutt won't recognize the mbox as "changed" since last read..
01:36 < tsa> (don't ask me why they don't use ctime instead.. )
01:37 < tsa> if in doubt, don't use it.
01:37 < rxr> on my iBook it speeds up svn action by some hundreds percent (accessing 26000 files or so ...)
01:37 < tsa> everywhere else, it might give you a sligt performance speedup
01:37 < tsa> hm..nice.
01:38 < rxr> rock-trunk$ find -name "*" | wc -l
01:38 < rxr>   30087
01:38 < rxr> and this is a vanilla copy - not a build output with build/ ...
01:38 < tsa> ah
01:39 < rxr> but this 2.5" laptop disk needs quite some time to move it's head .... - so it might not speedup by 600% on a SCSI disk ...
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01:40 < tsa> probably..
01:41 < rxr> this iBook is a really nice all-day machine ;-)
01:41 < tsa> hehe
01:41 < rxr> the only missing thing is a working CRT out ...
01:42 < rxr> oh - remember that I still have to try drm out - this iBook with Radeon M7 (or so) should outperform my MGA 450 Athlon quite a bit in flightgear ... ;-)
01:57 < rxr> hm: svn co ; tar xvfI bla rock-trunk
01:57 < rxr> real    2m57.964s
01:57 < rxr> user    0m29.520s
01:57 < rxr> sys     0m20.550s
01:57 < rxr> ^-iBook
02:02 < tsa> ah
02:10 < rxr> 2.0.0-beta6 released
02:11 < tsa> ;)
02:18 * rxr saugt sich eine ChangeLog für das freshmeat announcement aus den fingern ...
02:21 < rxr> damn - now I hiit the browser reload button accendely ... :-(
02:22 < tsa> hehehe
02:23 < rxr> hm - somehow the retyped changelog is shorted - anyway commited ...
02:24 < tsa> at least it's committed..
02:24 * tsa going to get some sleep.
02:24 < tsa> cu
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02:38 < jsaw> c ya
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03:31 < cchamilt> Just for the irc log:
03:32 < cchamilt> fblogo_patch sucks a bit for producing kernel patches for lpp
03:33 < cchamilt> Need to remove the first hunk which is a screwed up change in the header comments.
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03:34 < holyolli> moin
03:34 < cchamilt> hi
03:34 < holyolli> hi chris
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04:35 < holyolli> re
04:37 < mnemoc> hi holyolli
04:37 < holyolli> hi mnemoc
04:38 < mnemoc> irssi's alt+n doesn't work under securecrt :(
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04:42 < holyolli_> re *grummel*
04:43 < holyolli_> my wvlan reception just went down :(
04:45 < mnemoc> whois mnemoc
04:46 < mnemoc> mmm
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05:12 < holyolli> re mnemoc
05:12 < mnemoc> re holyolli :)
05:28 < holyolli> bbl
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05:33 < cchamilt> rxr:?
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06:41 < DeElsasser> morje
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07:11 < blindcoder> moin *yawn*
07:12 < DeElsasser> hi blindcoder
07:39 < esden> good morning *yawn*
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07:43 < DeElsasser> schon jemand wach hier?
07:45 < blindcoder> noe
07:45 < blindcoder> moin esden
07:45 < blindcoder> esden: awake at this ttime?
07:45 < blindcoder> moin DeElsasser
07:49 < DeElsasser> who maintain lilo?
07:51 < blindcoder> package? or software?
07:52 < DeElsasser> package: no tarball from 22.5.5 avaible on mirrors...
07:52 < DeElsasser> or it's for today?
07:53 < blindcoder> well, it usually takes some time until it's distributed to the mirrors
07:53 < DeElsasser> what's the original site for tarballs?
07:54 < blindcoder> echo none >src/Download-Mirror && ./scripts/Download -required
07:55 < DeElsasser> for me don't worked for lilo...
07:56 < blindcoder> hm
07:56 < blindcoder> worked fine here yesterday
07:56 < DeElsasser> downloaded from lilo manualy
07:57 < DeElsasser> perhaps the server was not awake 5am ;-)
08:01 < blindcoder> well, I could understand that :)
08:02 < DeElsasser> 5am: the time who the termometer not over 25, pfffffffff
08:14 < esden> blindcoder: yes I am awake at this time because I have to work at the tennis club ... >_<
08:15 < esden> blindcoder: have you been informed what happened yesterday?
08:15 < esden> or is information not spreading as fast as I expected?
08:16 < esden> nevermind ... I dress myself
08:19 < blindcoder> esden: no I have not... tell me... NOW!
08:19 < esden> I left the single club ...
08:20 < esden> *hide*
08:21 < blindcoder> with whom?
08:21 < blindcoder> bianca?
08:22 < esden> ack
08:22 < blindcoder> well... gratulations then
08:22 < esden> thank you ... 
08:23 < esden> so it is your turn now to leave ...
08:23 < blindcoder> this is one of the rare occassions where being wrong once in a while is actually good
08:23 * blindcoder roslling on the floor laughing his ass off
08:23 < blindcoder> me? you've got to be kidding me
08:23 < esden> nope .... why?
08:24 < blindcoder> because it's absolutiely impossible for me to get a gf in the near (50 years) future
08:24 < esden> I thought that too ... three weeks ago ...
08:24 < blindcoder> yess, but I know that it's a fact
08:25 < blindcoder> for a gf you need time... even for finding one
08:25 < blindcoder> and time is the one thing that I don't have
08:25 < blindcoder> see, yesterday I was home short before 18:00
08:25 < esden> you have to wait till you have a car then you are much earlier back home
08:25 < blindcoder> then I had a bath because I sweated like I didn't wash myself for 3 weeks
08:26 < blindcoder> and then it was 19:30
08:26 < esden> best time to leave 
08:26 < blindcoder> at 22:00 I had to go to bed to be fit for work today (which I still am not)
08:26 < esden> and do something funny ...
08:27 < esden> that are 2 and half hours ... that is more then nothing ...
08:27 < blindcoder> so? with whom?
08:27 < esden> with ... people ... you could call me ... I would tell you what we are doing and you could join us ...
08:28 < esden> bit initative is expected ... 
08:28 < blindcoder> sure... like last week... when we went to the cinema and I had to raise my voice three times each time I wanted to be heard
08:29 < blindcoder> and Obsti ith his "I knew you wouldn't take it, I just wanted to be polite"
08:29 < blindcoder> thanks, but I know when I'm the fifth wheel on a car
08:30 < esden> o_O ... do you always belive what obsti is saying?
08:30 < blindcoder> I believe what I see, hear and experience
08:30 < esden> perhups that is a mistake?
08:31 < blindcoder> well wouldn't be my first and certainly not my last, but it is something to believe at least
10:02 * DeElsasser is away: Occupé
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12:04 < rxr> re
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12:38 * blindcoder back
12:38 < blindcoder> hi rxr
12:40 < esden> re hi all
12:41 * -> esden hates painting >_<
12:41 < Ge0rG> hidiho
12:41 < esden> and I hate even more painting walls that are high ... and have 30 sheets of paint on it that are all falling from the wall >_<
12:41 < esden> ARGL
12:42 < esden> hi Ge0rG 
12:43 * Ge0rG installed rock beta 2 on his new centri^H^H^H banias notebook yesterday together with daja77 :)
12:43 < blindcoder> re esden
12:43 < blindcoder> esden: painting what?
12:44 < esden> blindcoder: paninting "tennis halle"
12:45 < blindcoder> oh...
12:46 < esden> at least I was able to work in shadow ;-)
12:58 * blindcoder now doing one of the few things he's good at: playing nethack
13:01 < esden> have fun ... and luck blindcoder 
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13:07 < blindcoder> oh I do. I'm currently killing everone and everything in gnome-town starting with the priestess and continuing with the shopkeepers
13:07 < rxr> blindcoder:  ?hm?
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13:08 < esden> blindcoder: you kill shopkeepers? o_O
13:08 < jsaw> hi
13:08 < esden> blindcoder: you are really freaking me
13:09 < esden> hi jsaw 
13:09 < jsaw> does anybody here see libgnome22 fail compiling in libgnome/gnome-program.c with "[...] main.c:108: `PATH_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function) [...]"
13:09 < jsaw> hi esden
13:09 < blindcoder> esden: I have a bad mood and the weapons to do it
13:10 < ring-0> blindcoder: where did you live ?
13:10 < blindcoder> ring-0: we're talking about nethack...
13:11 < ring-0> blindcoder: ok ;)
13:11 < esden> blindcoder: that is an argument
13:18 < rxr> jsaw: is this svn HEAD or an earlier version =
13:18 < rxr> s/=/?/
13:19 < jsaw> rxr: HEAD (I ask, cause I see other strange errors and ask myself if I should wipe the build dir and start over...)
13:19 < rxr> jsaw: hm - I have not yet tried HEAD with Mike1's gnome patches ...
13:20 < rxr> my boxes still build -beta6 ....
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13:24 < jsaw> rxr: did you make up your mind for a BTS?
13:25 < rxr> jsaw: no not yet
13:26 < rxr> jsaw: I hesitate to choose gnats because the gcc people move away from it (over to bugzilla) ...
13:26 < rxr> but bugzilla is aslo huge and bloated ...
13:29 < esden> ok .. I drive home .. cu l8er guys
13:29 < rxr> Creating -beta6 ISO (x86)
13:37 * [n00kie]_ still waiting for first RC :)
13:38 < rxr> [n00kie]_: one week +
13:38 < rxr> the current svn HEAD already carries the -rc1 version
13:38 < [n00kie]_> rxr: So, probably not this week?
13:39 < rxr> nope - next week or so (I just released -beta6 ....)
13:39 < [n00kie]_> Alright
13:39 < [n00kie]_> Bbl, taking a shower
13:39 < rxr> and the current svn HEAD contains many updated that needs to be tested (and some to be fixed)
13:49 < esden> re hi all
13:50 < rxr> re esden
13:51 < SMP> hehe
13:52 < SMP> Debian stupid, Jimmy smart
13:54 < SMP> is someone going to kill me if I want to include a 17kB mandocj.tar.gz.uu in package/base/man/ ? :-)
13:55 < rxr> SMP: hm ?
13:56 < SMP> there seems to be no download location whatsoever
13:57 < rxr> what is the tar.gz doing ?
13:57 < SMP> tmacs for mandocj :)
13:57 < SMP> er
13:57 < SMP> this should be in groff/
13:58 < SMP> anyway
13:58 < rxr> what is it exactly doing ?
13:58 < SMP> rxr: macros for formatting of Japanese manpages
13:59 < rxr> oh
13:59 * DeElsasser is back (gone 03:57:07)
13:59 < rxr> SMP: btw: why are you in this i18n thing currently ? Do you learn Japanese ?
13:59 < DeElsasser> hi all
13:59 < SMP> please disable public away/unaway
14:00 < SMP> rxr: no, I just think it's important (and an interesting topic). English domination is not good for usability.
14:00 < rxr> ah
14:01 < DeElsasser> rxr: I have a locale copy of http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ROCK/ROCK-2.0/, can I rsync this and how?
14:01 < SMP> and, well, I communicate with people from Russia
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14:01 < rxr> SMP: do you have an idea when this groff mandocj is going into a public groff release ?
14:02 < SMP> I can now tell from the junk characters in a latin1 environment if it originally was cp1251 or koi8 ;)
14:02 < SMP> rxr: no idea. probably never?
14:03 < rxr> SMP: urgs - if it is really needed feel free to merge this into rock
14:03 < DeElsasser> SMP: if I understand, you don't want I use //away?
14:03 < rxr> DeElsasser: what do you want to do (and why?)
14:04 < DeElsasser> rxr: my local copy of ROCK-2.0 is not up to date (need to do so because I have no DSL at home)
14:04 < SMP> DeElsasser: use whatever you want, but it's impolite to let the whole channel know in an automated way. we just don't care if you are away or for how long you have been away
14:06 < SMP> rxr: well the initial question was if I can just put this mysterious file into package/base/groff/ and not into a [D] tag ;)
14:06 < DeElsasser> SMP: why the status of users not visible in the user list, it would be nice to know who is on, no?
14:08 < rxr> SMP: yes
14:09 < DeElsasser> rxr: I can use gftp, but this don't remove old files (or there is an option I don't know :-)
14:09 < SMP> DeElsasser: if someone wants to know if you are away or not, he can use /who on you. no need to spam the channel with useless information
14:09 < rxr> DeElsasser: Old files are not removed on the mirror either - for people usig old versions the tarballs stay there for soem months ...
14:10 < rxr> SMP: you can add the file - but nicer would be if you put it only on a server (or send it to me - then it will be on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de)
14:10 < DeElsasser> rxr: ok then I continue with gftp...
14:10 * rxr away buying food for breakfast ...
14:11 < rxr> DeElsasser: well - I have an open rsync for the mirror sites - it is just if you really need to utilize my DSL line instead using a fast mirror ...
14:12 < DeElsasser> SMP: how do you know, if I'm here or not, many people don't close IRC when they go away?
14:14 < DeElsasser> rxr: no I would rsync from a mirror, but if the old files are not removed, I can use gftp, no matter
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14:17 < DeElsasser> servus nOOkie
14:18 < DeElsasser> n00kie: your brother is here too ;-)
14:21 < SMP> DeElsasser: I'd use /who, damnit
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14:22 * DeElsasser don't understand SMP...
14:23 < SMP> DeElsasser: you don't know how to use IRC, do you? but most people actually do ...
14:25 * DeElsasser is away: komme wieder fals das wetter es erlaubt
14:40 < rolla> rc-1?
14:40 < rolla> beta6 had no buisness becoming rc-1
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14:43 < rolla> Mike1:
14:48 < rolla> rxr so it is a tagging problem :)
14:48 * rolla just finished reading the ML
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14:52 < blindcoder> rolla: including the latest flames? :)
14:54 * -> esden getting his flamethrower ... 
14:54 < esden> flames? ... where ... can I help?
14:54 < blindcoder> fighting fire with fire, hm?
14:55 < esden> no ... I want to help make even more fire ;-)
14:55 < blindcoder> well.. there has been at least one very interesting flame on the ML recently
14:55 < esden> I know .. I know ... just kidding
14:56 * blindcoder now looking forward to several hours standing in the train again
14:56 < esden> my condolences blindcoder 
14:56 < blindcoder> thanks...
14:57 * blindcoder is also looking forward to the day hell freezes over
14:57 < blindcoder> because that'll be the day when the trains will be on time
14:58 < blindcoder> bye
14:59 * DeElsasser is back (gone 00:34:25)
15:00 < DeElsasser> na? regnet's noch?
15:02 < rolla> blindcoder: who has ever heard of a server with no compilers ?
15:02 < rolla> lol
15:03 < DeElsasser> can someone say me where I lilo-22.5.5.tar.bz2 can find? (I don't find it on mirrors)
15:03 < rolla> DeElsasser: set your mirror to none
15:04 < DeElsasser> rolla: ok
15:04 < rolla> you know how to do this yes?
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15:06 < esden> DeElsasser: please switch off this automatic away/back messaging ... that sux
15:07 < esden> I think I have to write a chattiquette or what?
15:07 < rolla> esden: lighten up
15:08 < rolla> it is not like it clutters up all the converstations here ;)
15:12 < esden> sure it is not ... but you should kill that in the core otherwise it will grow and then really go on nerves ... I normally say nothing against it ... but from time to time ... 
15:13 < rolla> yeah I know I was messing with you
15:13 < esden> rolla: I know ... I have seen the smiley at the end of your comment ... ;-)
15:13 < rolla> wow a new update of svn and a bunch of packages fail
15:14 < rolla> esden: okay didn't want any hurt feelings
15:14 < esden> but I mean seriously that people must not use anoying features of their mirc clients ;-)
15:15 < DeElsasser> esden: my away/back are not automatic and I don't understand why they 'sux' you
15:15 < esden> rolla: you have not ... no worry
15:16 < esden> DeElsasser: check your options setting ... because it is automatic my friend
15:16 < jsaw> esden: what is the real problem with away?
15:16 < esden> forget it ... this discussion is not worth it
15:19 < esden> jsaw: *sigh* ... nothing ... it is only anoying that people have to say all the world that they go away and come back from away ... it is not needed ... and if it is automatic that the client is sending in a line in form of "[14:59] * DeElsasser is back (gone 00:34:25)" when they get back from away only because they are saying something some seconds after that
15:19 < esden> it is not nessesary ...
15:19 < esden> but forget that discussion .. it produced more flood then it helped *headshake*
15:19 < rolla> :)
15:19 < rolla> == 03:19:08 =[9]=> Building base/lrzsz [0.12.20 2.0.0-rc1].
15:20 < rolla> is that better esden ;)
15:20 < esden> yes ... that is better ;-) *rofl*
15:26 < DeElsasser> yes very better
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15:38 < rolla> ping rxr
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15:54 < rxr> pong
15:55 < rolla> rxr I have updated from svn and suddenly have many packages breaking that were not before
15:56 < rxr> rolla: do you want -beta6 or the current HEAD - where I have applied many updates from the ML ?
15:56 < rolla> the one I have is rc-1 ;)
15:56 < rolla> I want cureent HEAD
15:56 < SMP> rxr: please don't apply Jimmy's man-colored-groff.diff and less-no-sgr.diff -- I will send a more general patch including these changes
15:56 < rxr> well then some build errors should be normal (due to the many updates)
15:57 < rxr> SMP: ack
15:57 < rolla> rxr dump?
15:57 < rolla> they all seem to be coming from failed patchs
15:57 < rxr> rolla: ?
15:57 < rolla> 5-dump.err
15:57 < rolla> is one of the packages
15:58 < rxr> rolla: a HEAD build here is just running for some hours - I'll fix the errors on the way
15:59 < rxr> rolla: you could manually merge the devfs.patch and rediff it - and send the result over ...
16:00 < rolla> ;)
16:00 < rolla> i will try that
16:10 < jsaw> cu l8r
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16:40 * daja77 waves
16:42 < rolla> re daja77
16:42 < daja77> hi rolla
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16:51 < Ge0rG> huhu daja77
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16:56 < daja77> hey Ge0rG, your laptop still working?
16:57 < Ge0rG> daja77: sure... installed some kernel patches and XFree yesterday, and now its almost possible to watch movies ;)
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16:57 < daja77> hehe
16:57 < Ge0rG> gnome 2.2 is pretty cool
16:57 < daja77> O_o
16:58 * daja77 tested kde a bit more
16:58 < Ge0rG> how complicated is it to build rock with intel c compiler?
16:58 < daja77> hmm you can select it in Config, but afaik some packages don't work with it
17:00 * daja77 busy, cu
17:01 < Ge0rG> byebye
17:09 < rolla> == 06/25/03 05:09:03 =[1]=> Finished building package linux25-src.
17:09 < rolla> wow 2.5 finally builds in rc-1
17:09 < Mike1> :)
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17:12 * daja77 unhappy about rc naming
17:13 < rolla> daja77: i share your feelings
17:16 < daja77> :)
17:17 < daja77> anyone running beta6 on a laptop?
17:21 < daja77> hi Mike1 bte
17:21 < daja77> btw that is
17:31 < rolla> daja77: I could never get it to boot stage2 off the cd with beta6
17:43 < cchamilt> Ah
17:43 < cchamilt> I have a linuxrc that brings me to console.
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17:55 < Mike1> moin all
18:07 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9E78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:08 < tcr> moin all
18:10 < tcr> haha, fsck fucked up /usr/include/string.h
18:11 < rolla> :)
18:13 < tcr> not very funny. On the other hand it let show up some bugs
18:15 * daja77 thought getting a presentation done in kpresenter is faster than in TeX >_<
18:26 < tcr> Ok, found a new bug. It's a kind of a deadlock
18:26 < tcr> There's no obvious solution, I'll let cliff decide.
18:28 < daja77> ok /me using TeX again *grml*
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18:39 < rolla> yawn
18:40 < Mike1> nway
18:42 < rolla> :P
18:42 < daja77> *yes* TeX rocks ...
18:42 < daja77> + kpresenter sucks ...
18:59 * daja77 off now
19:02 < Mike1> daja77: why
19:03 * tcr 's hungry
19:20 < Mike1> ping rxr
19:21 < Mike1> ls
19:22 < esden> re hi all
19:22 < Mike1> esden.
19:23 < esden> hi Mike1!!!!!!
19:47 < blindcoder> g'evening
19:47 < Mike1> hi blindy
19:47 < blindcoder>   hi Mike1
19:49 < tcr> Is there a log file of the fl wrapper?
19:51 * blindcoder watching some anime...
19:55 < rolla> again
20:08 * rolla is waiting for his new rock server to show up :)
20:08 < Mike1> rolla: nice.
20:08 < Mike1> rolla: my minimal build for revision 605 is quite good
20:09 < Mike1> but you will get 3 errors as i removed linux25 stuff...
20:11 < rolla> Mike1: yeah I need a base for which to build a opto install for it
20:11 * Mike1 building Minimal, Router and Generic targets for released beta6 tree
20:11 * blindcoder back
20:12 * blindcoder also building a desktop x86-noopt beta6 ATM
20:13 < blindcoder> JIC anyone cares
20:13 < rolla> cool
20:13 < rolla> hope you have better luck than I
20:13 < rolla> == 08:13:32 =[3]=> Building x86/bin86 [0.16.11 2.0.0-rc1].
20:13 < Mike1> blindcoder: applied lpp stuff?
20:14 < blindcoder> Mike1: no, official build for iso.rocklinux.org
20:14 < Mike1> blindcoder: ah nice :)
20:15 < blindcoder> Mike1: but I've looked through it. I just need one more thing to actually test lpp in
20:15 < blindcoder> and that's a 'generic' splash screen
20:15 < Mike1> hehe
20:15 < blindcoder> a splash screen in case there is none for the current target
20:15 < Mike1> you can add it you know..
20:16 < Mike1> :P
20:16 < blindcoder> yes, and i will as soon as I find  some time
20:16 < Mike1> or add a Blind screen
20:16 < blindcoder> unfortunately the german railway company keeps stealing it from me
20:16 < Mike1> :P
20:16 < blindcoder> there wasn't a single train this week that didn't have at least a 45 minute delay
20:17 < Mike1> blindcoder: get a laptop :)
20:17 < blindcoder> well... I have a "mobile PC"
20:17 < blindcoder> but no power cord
20:17 < Mike1> blindcoder: get a laptop :)
20:17 < blindcoder> Mike1: gimme the money
20:17 < Mike1> they have something called batteries
20:17 < Mike1> blindcoder: nah, i'm poor :)
20:17 < blindcoder> My money is curretnly being wasted on a holiday in Fuerte Ventura in August
20:18 < Mike1> spain?
20:19 < blindcoder> don't ask me such difficult things, in geography I've got -5 out of 100 possible points
20:19 < blindcoder> some friends of me booked the flight and all the stuff
20:19 < Mike1> hehe
20:20 < Mike1> so you are going on holidays to a place you only know how it is called.. nice
20:20 < rolla> :)
20:20 < Mike1> crap my hd is full
20:20 < blindcoder> and Iknow that it's about 30 degrees Celsius, sunny and no computer in my reach
20:20 < blindcoder> that's about all I need to know
20:21 < Mike1> mm ok
20:21 < rolla> sounds like fun
20:21 < rolla> == 08:21:19 =[3]=> Building base/perl5 [5.8.0 2.0.0-rc1].
20:21 < blindcoder> yeah... I hope so...
20:22 < blindcoder> esden: ping
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20:29 * rolla jumps for joy. His new server is here
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20:37 < n00kie> Do I need for a Linux Cluster 2 same systems?
20:38 < n00kie> Or can I use in system 1 a SCSI hdd and in system 2 a ide hdd?
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20:49 < esden> blindcoder: pong?
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21:18 < holyolli> moin
21:18 < Mike1> moin cpt.
21:18 < holyolli> hey mike!
21:19 < Mike1> :)
21:21 < tcr> Puh. mail sent.
21:25 < tcr> Arghs, I should have looked once more at the mail... I wrote some really mangled sentences
21:27 < holyolli> tcr: english for runaways - englisnch fuer fortgeschrittene...? ;-)
21:28 < tcr> :P just borked one phrase completely
21:31 < daja77> Mike1: I visited a friend in hospital
21:31 < daja77> re btw
21:32 < holyolli> hi daja77
21:32 < daja77> huhu holyolli
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21:32 < daja77> have you installed your laptop now?
21:32 < holyolli> daja: jepp. :)
21:32 < holyolli> daja: and i'm just only fighting now with minor problems ;-)
21:32 < Mike1> daja77: ah ok, welcome back.
21:33 < daja77> thx Mike1
21:35 < daja77> my new tft is on the way ...
21:36 * daja77 notes that tcr tends to write long mails ...
21:36 < n00kie> anyone here using mICQ?
21:36 * holyolli .
21:36 < n00kie> holyolli: How can I add someone to a group, when he has a " " in his nick ?
21:37 < n00kie> addgroup Real-Life $Friend [RL] Doesn't Works
21:37 < holyolli> hm. i only have nicks without " " here =)
21:37 < blindcoder> vim /etc/group ?
21:37 < n00kie> :/
21:38 < blindcoder> oh sorry
21:38 < n00kie> blindcoder: ICQ Group :)
21:38 * blindcoder didn't look >_<
21:38 * Mike1 having quite a strong pain in his arm
21:38 < n00kie> In mICQ
21:38 < n00kie> poor Mike1
21:38 < blindcoder> Mike1: cut it off
21:38 < Mike1> n00kie: guess its circulations
21:38 < holyolli> mike1: what happended?
21:39 < n00kie> Mike1: What did you do?
21:39 < n00kie> You jumped from your house, right?
21:39 < blindcoder> i'd like to cut off some hurting body-parts, too. problem is just that these parts are necessary for keeping the body alive
21:39 < Mike1> i did nothing but it's been hurting since last n8
21:39 < n00kie> oh
21:39 < n00kie> poor mikey
21:39 < n00kie> :(
21:39 * blindcoder going to bed
21:39 < daja77> tell me is there really a guy who's name is alan rock (and writing to the list) ?!
21:39 * Mike1 considering on making a visit to dr..
21:39 < blindcoder> good night
21:39 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai blindcoder
21:40 < daja77> n8 blindcoder
21:40 < holyolli> n8 blindcoder
21:40 < Mike1> daja77: guess his name is alan, and wanted to tell the world he likes rock
21:40 < daja77> *ggg*
21:40 < n00kie> sleep well blindy
21:41 < n00kie> Mike1: dr?
21:41 < Mike1> doctor..
21:42 < n00kie> ah :)
21:43 * daja77 hands an axe to Mike1
21:43 < Mike1> daja77: thanks, now i can rip your head off :)
21:44 < daja77> great this releases me from doin this stupid speech tomorrow
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21:51 < holyolli> daja: yenta_socket works here...but i had to compile my own kernel
21:52 < holyolli> daja: because of a lot of fixes for firewire, acpi, etc.
21:52 < daja77> ic
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21:54 < daja77> link has quit *lol*
21:54 < holyolli> hehe
21:56 < daja77> hi A-Tui :)
21:57 < A-Tui> hola daja77 :)
21:58 * daja77 thinks he hasn' tried to invite A-Tui to Linuxtag yet
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21:59 < A-Tui> daja77: linuxtag?
22:01 < daja77> yepp big linux event in germany ...
22:01 < A-Tui> ops in german :)
22:01 < A-Tui> where will be it?
22:01 < daja77> Karlsruhe
22:01 < A-Tui> when it is?
22:01 < daja77> 10th-13th July
22:01 < A-Tui> i think it's too far :(
22:02 < daja77> but you can't say I haven't tried ...
22:02 < A-Tui> yes, thanks friend :)
22:03 < Mike1> Hola A-Tui
22:03 * daja77 removes A-Tui from his list ...
22:04 < A-Tui> hola Mike1
22:04 < A-Tui> daja77: :)
22:05 < daja77> btw bad news, the person who wanted to come with me to linuxtag is in hospital now ...
22:05 < A-Tui> daja77: are you going alone then?
22:06 < daja77> dunno if he gets out of it before that
22:08 < A-Tui> do you know if rsyncs can copy only the diff of a file?
22:09 < daja77> yes...yes it does
22:12 < A-Tui> ok, that's good :)
22:12 < A-Tui> the i will use rsyncs
22:13 * Mike1 eating
22:13 * daja77 notes that cows are a dying species in Costa Rica
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22:20 * A-Tui is away: Homo lupum est
22:20 < daja77> men is wulf?
22:22 < A-Tui> yes
22:22 < A-Tui> that's a famous text from Hobbes
22:23 * daja77 me never learned latin ...
22:23 < daja77>  /me me d'oh
22:24 < A-Tui> i didn't learn too much too
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22:32 < Mike1> re all
22:33 < Mike1> daja77: i had a great lunch, fish..
22:35 < A-Tui> re Mike1
22:35 < Mike1> A-Tui: how are things?
22:36 < daja77> Mike1: :)
22:36 < daja77> have I already mentioned that kpresenter sucks?
22:36 < A-Tui> Mike1: well, i trying to sync mailboxes from 2 machines to have concurrent mails
22:37 < Mike1> A-Tui: how is uni?
22:37 < Mike1> daja77: no, but i already knew it.
22:37 < A-Tui> Mike1: i hope well :)
22:37 < A-Tui> i must do exams on semtember, but i hope pass all exams
22:42 < tcr> re
22:47 < tcr> daja77: well, I certainly tend to write more than many people, but not really very long emails ;)
22:49 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A3EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:49 < Mike1> hi kasc
22:49 < kasc> hiyas
22:49 < daja77> hey kasc
22:50 < Mike1> kasc: Are currently maintaining / using directfb ?
22:50 < daja77> I fixed scilab with rxr on monday :))
22:50 < kasc> not currently. why?
22:51 < kasc> daja77: in what way did it need a fix?
22:51 < Mike1> kasc: what ideas do you have for the future regarding directfb?
22:51 < kasc> Mike1: adding some more progs that use it. nothing special
22:52 < Mike1> kasc: is just that i'm working on some stuff for which i need directfb, but the current packages doesn't provide the stuff that i need, so i was wondering if maybe you would let me have it..
22:52 < Mike1> of course if you want, no problem if you wanna keep it.
22:52 < kasc> sure. as long as the games that need it keep working, its ok with me
22:53 < kasc> but in that case you should also take dfbsee
22:53 < netrunner> Job 5-kdegraphics31           builder (13283) since 22:31 2003-6-25         ... and only 5 .err's so far
22:53 < daja77> with or without kdemultimedia?
22:54 < netrunner> that would be my first nonstop build :)
22:54 < Mike1> kasc: ok, i don't work around that much, so if i accidently change something that may affect please let me know
22:54 < tcr> Hrmm, everywhere rock builds... but I must encounter damn @*!$% problems
22:54 < Mike1> kasc: thank you btw :)
22:54 < netrunner> daja77: knot yet built
22:54 < Mike1> hi netrunner :)
22:54 < netrunner> hi Mike1 :)
22:54 < netrunner> re * :)
22:55 < kasc> Mike1: you're welcome
22:55 < daja77> every newbie is *gg*
22:55 < Mike1> kasc: i will make the patch to transfer the packages to my repository, ok?
22:55 < Mike1> daja77: ?
22:55 < kasc> ok
22:56 < daja77> tcr please let your misfortune at home if you visit us :)
22:56 < Mike1> kasc: i will keep ur [M] and make one for me, so you can as well make changes on it when ever you need to
22:56 < daja77> Mike1: you always saying you are a newbie ...
22:56 < kasc> put your [M] line before mine then
22:56 < Mike1> daja77: of course i am, but i do not get where the comment comes from
22:56 < Mike1> kasc: i know :)
22:57 < daja77> Mike1: read again :)
22:57 < Mike1> still don't get it
22:58 < daja77> :P
22:58 < tcr> daja77: What do you mean
22:59 < tcr> Mike1: you're not the only one ...
22:59 < daja77> hehe
22:59 < Mike1> tcr: guess he is using his dark humor today
22:59 * daja77 newbie tooo
22:59 < Freak> hey guys
22:59 * netrunner is also newbie :) *joininthepaady*
23:00 * daja77 oldbie
23:00 < Freak> do hostnames get cached somewhere?
23:00 * Mike1 is the most newbie of all.
23:01 < daja77> Mike the bloody beginner ...
23:01 < tcr> Freak: dns servers usually do so
23:01 < Freak> uhm i dont have one running actually
23:01 < Freak> i think
23:01 < Mike1> Freak: what do you need?
23:01 < tcr> well, there's the arp cache
23:01 < tcr> but that's something different anway
23:02 < Freak> what do you get for linuid.dhis.org?
23:02 < daja77> Freak: maybe the dns server you are querying caches
23:03 < Mike1> Name:   linuid.net.dhis.org
23:03 < Mike1> Address: 192.168.255.0
23:03 < Freak> dang
23:03 < Freak> i dont understand why it doesnt update
23:03 < Freak> it doesnt actually give me an erra
23:03 < Mike1> Freak: when did you change it ?
23:03 < Freak> half an hour ago
23:03 < netrunner> hm ... how can you update /usr/src/rock-src after install? svn up says it's not a working copy ...
23:03 < daja77> Freak: this takes some time, up to three hours
23:04 < daja77> netrunner: indeed this is no svn checkout
23:04 < Mike1> netrunner: easiest way? rm -rf /usr/src/rock-src ; svn co ...
23:04 < Freak> ok i restarted again
23:05 < netrunner> Mike1: hm ... ok, i have a /usr/src/rock-trunk anyway where I build the targets.
23:05 * tcr wonders where's kasc gone
23:05 < Mike1> tcr: games..
23:06 < kasc> i'm still here
23:06 < Mike1> kasc: good i wanted to talk to you about something
23:06 < tcr> kasc: why don't you react on query then?
23:06 < Mike1> kasc: would like to create a Games target?
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23:07 < kasc> Mike1: generally yes, but not before LinuxTag
23:07 < Mike1> why not?
23:07 < kasc> tcr: well i have written 4 lines since your last line in query...
23:07 < kasc> Mike1: no time
23:08 < tcr> Mike1: It should be based upon a livecd anyway, imho.
23:08 < Mike1> kasc: oh... let me know when you start it then, i will give you a hand if you want.
23:08 < daja77> wouldn't be useful on Linuxtag anyway ...
23:08 < tcr> kasc: ??? Really? Here nothing appears
23:08 < Mike1> tcr: not necesarily
23:08 < Mike1> daja77: yes it would, image the tournaments :)
23:09 * daja77 had a speech about rock yesterday btw
23:09 < Mike1> daja77: tell us about it
23:09 < tcr> daja77 is the ultimative spokeman ;)
23:10 < Mike1> the speechman :)
23:10 < kasc> Mike1: we would not be allowed to show any gaming distribution at any exhibition here in germany
23:10 < daja77> I was in Magdeburg, invited by mdlug, to talk about rock, they made an evening about src based distros
23:10 < Freak> it doesnt update.
23:10 < Mike1> kasc: Why?!
23:10 < kasc> Mike1: german law
23:10 < Freak> neither does ddts
23:10 < Mike1> kasc: ok that law _sucks_
23:10 < kasc> you dont read mail, do you? ;-P
23:10 < Freak> what' you get for linuid.ddts.net?
23:11 < tcr> daja77: And the first thing you did, was to enlighten them that ROCK doesn't necessarily fit into that category? ;)
23:11 < daja77> tcr: yepp have todo another speech tomorrow, not about rock unfortunately
23:11 < Mike1> kasc: not all the mails i get, you seen rlml is not only mailing list to which i am subscribed it..
23:11 < kasc> well thats the major reason why a gaming target is near the bottom of my personal ToDo
23:12 < daja77> tcr: sure
23:12 < Mike1> kasc: well maybe it can't be at an event, but it doesn't mean others wouldn't use it
23:13 < tcr> daja77: For the next speech: "Well, you may know Nietzsche's Übermensch, and ROCK Linux is something like a Uberdistribution" ;)
23:13 < kasc> yes, but i think it would be early enough to start working on that once the issue with where users find isos and stuff is settled
23:14 < daja77> tcr: I've shamelessly stolen some of cliffs foils ...
23:16 < kasc> there are lots of issues still open i want to see closed before i start to invest time in a project that might have to be closed because of conflicts with laws
23:16 < daja77> and now I am shamelessly stealing one of Mike's jolt
23:17 < tcr> daja77: you're so prude >_<
23:17 < Mike1> you little bastard, come back here!!
23:17 * netrunner found jolt in the local walmarkt yesterday.
23:17 < daja77> it is sold in toom here
23:17 < esden> hi all
23:17 < netrunner> aaaah no I do not steal ... it was day before yesterday :)
23:17 < netrunner> hi esden
23:17 < daja77> tcr: prude??
23:17 < daja77> huhu esden
23:18 < netrunner> esden: try driving the A8 into munich! now!
23:18 < tcr> daja77: pure Irony, of course :P
23:18 < esden> I have it behind me ;-)
23:18 < esden> why ? is there a "stau" ?
23:19 < netrunner> esden: 5 km traffic jam because of a gigantic police control. they blocked 2 lanes, everyone goes sloooow (took me 0.5 h)
23:19 < daja77> esden: it seems I have to come alone to Linuxtag
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23:19 < Mike1> daja77: ask (beg) esden to go with you
23:19 < esden> daja77: o_O
23:19 < esden> I can not .. I have exams in that time ...
23:19 < kasc> esden: traffic jam (Verkehrs Marmelade ;)
23:20 < esden> otherwise it would not be a problem ....
23:20 < daja77> maybe I can fetch georg
23:20 < Mike1> esden: ask ur teacher(s) to let you do the exam(s) online :)
23:21 < esden> Mike1: loooool
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23:25 < daja77> wb Ge0rG
23:25 < Ge0rG> re
23:25 < daja77> Ge0rG: you could be the lucky winner perhaps
23:26 < Ge0rG> hm... with my luck I could win a free hard drive headcrash
23:27 < daja77> I mean, the person who wanted to drive in my car, possibly cannot come
23:28 < Mike1> daja77: you are desperate aren't you ?
23:28 < Ge0rG> daja77: ah... ok
23:28 < daja77> yeah but not because of that
23:28 < daja77> Ge0rG: the thing is MD is not on my way you know
23:29 < Ge0rG> daja77: yes, but md-_
23:29 < Ge0rG> whoops
23:29 < Ge0rG> daja77: yes, but md->chemnitz isnt as far as md->karlsruhe
23:29 < daja77> ic :)
23:29 < Mike1> 8=D
23:30 < daja77> Ge0rG: well we'll see, I tell if I know for sure
23:31 < Ge0rG> I'm still trying to persuade a guy from MD to drive me to linuxtag... we will see ;)
23:31 < daja77> okis :)
23:31 < daja77> convince gruni :))
23:31 < Mike1> daja77: if you come pick me up i will go with you
23:32 < daja77> cr isn't on the way to karlsruhe as well ...
23:32 < daja77> but hey you should come
23:33 * daja77 would drink jolt with Mike the whole time 
23:33 < daja77> brb
23:33 < Ge0rG> daja77: are you going thursday to sunday?
23:34 < daja77> wednesday to monday
23:34 < Mike1> daja77: iw ould love to but i don't have too much $ atm
23:34 < Ge0rG> daja77: ah, even better ;)
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