--- Log opened Wed Jul 02 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Wed Jul 02 2003
00:14 < rxr> hm - galeon13 really seems to build here ... ;-)
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00:36 < jsaw> re, hi all
00:37 * A-Tui is away: Mirales a la cara..... si quieres vencerlos
00:50 < rxr> started galeon13
00:50 < rxr> hi jsaw
00:51 < rxr> running epiphany
00:51 < rxr> wow - seems to at least start and seem to work ...
00:52 < jsaw> hi rxr
00:54 < jsaw> ever tried to bzip an 8Gig file?
00:55 < rxr> jsaw: no
00:57 < jsaw> rxr: there are several packages that get build (stage 5), where optional dependencies are not fulfilled. Probably before a rc2, stage 9 followed by scripts/Check-Dep-2 should be done?
00:59 < rxr> jsaw: yes
01:04 < jsaw> rxr: I didn't follow the thread completely, but, was there any concensus on how to treat commercial stuff like winex (I mean before there's a non-redist tag)?
01:06 < rxr> at least not build by default - and if the downloaded files are not redistributealbe no download tag
01:08 < jsaw> so sth like file:///root/ is strongly deprecated
01:08 < jsaw> I guess
01:10 < rxr> jsaw: yes!
01:21 < jsaw> rxr: the at-spi12 hotfix is needed for a (fresh) compile
01:21 < jsaw> (sorry, email is not configured here at home currently)
01:31 < rxr> jsaw: hm ?
01:32 < jsaw> rxr: tried to send (dcc) you a file, may I retry
01:33 < rxr> jups retry ...
01:33 < jsaw> on the way
01:35 < rxr> erhm - could you again retry?
01:35 < rxr> (me using dcc for the first time ...)
01:36 < jsaw> it didn't abort yet (type /dcc get)
01:36 < rxr> I did
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01:37 < jsaw> ah, so you also need the filename? anyway resending...
01:38 < rxr> somehow this does not work ...
01:38 < rxr> 01:37 DCC SEND from jsaw [192.168.2.253 port 33277]: at-spi12-hotfix.patch [787
01:38 < rxr>           bytes]
01:38 < rxr> 01:37 DCC connections
01:38 < rxr> 01:37  jsaw GET: 0k of 1k (0%) - 0.00kB/s - at-spi12-hotfix.patch
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01:55 < rxr> 01:40 DCC can't connect to 192.168.2.253 port 33277
01:55 < rxr> hm ...
01:55 < jsaw> fsck, read the IP address...
01:55 < jsaw> that of course will never work ;-(
01:56 < rxr> yes - I read it - this is why I wrote "hm ..." ;-)
01:57 < jsaw> my NAT is obviously buggy
01:58 < rxr> could you send the patch later today by mail?
01:58 < jsaw> yep.
01:59 < rxr> rev 683:  rene | 2003-07-02 01:59:35 +0200 (Wed, 02 Jul 2003) | 2 lines
01:59 < rxr> fixed system.init to register /sbin/rockplug has hotplug agent
02:02 < rxr> ok - I'm off to bed - cu later
02:02 < jsaw> cu l8r, sleep well
02:03 < Freak> who's in the nightshift tonite?
02:03 * jsaw is
02:03 < jsaw> hi Freak
02:03 < Freak> hey there colleague
02:04 < Freak> who else?
02:04 < Freak> jsaw: will you stay for the whole shift?
02:04 < Freak> I'm not sure if I can stand it until 6:30
02:04 < Freak> =)
02:04 < jsaw> probably
02:05 < jsaw> trying to get my "Steuererklaerung" ready, ...
02:05 < Freak> whee
02:05 < Freak> they sent me a reminder already
02:05 < n00kie> Freak: When do you have to stand up?
02:05 < Freak> so I made one up, handwritten
02:05 < Freak> I don't actually have to stand up
02:05 < jsaw> 6:30?
02:06 < Freak> or get up or whatever
02:06 < Freak> ah wait yes I do
02:06 < jsaw> hi n00kie btw
02:06 < Freak> i have to go to the arbeitsamt
02:06 < Freak> to tell them I'm unemploeyd..
02:06 < Freak> yed even
02:06 < jsaw> whee
02:06 < rxr> urghs - poor Freak
02:06 < Freak> nah not really
02:07 < jsaw> but don't forget to do i 3 month before your contract finishes...
02:07 < Freak> my Zivildienst officially ended monday
02:07 < n00kie> Hola jsaw :)
02:07 < Freak> and I don't have neither a studienplatz nor an ausbilungsplatz so far
02:07 < Freak> so..
02:08 < Freak> to get kindergeld I have to be marked unemployed
02:08 < Freak> iirc
02:08 < jsaw> correct
02:08 < Freak> ok I should get my freakin' ass up and earn some money
02:08 < Freak> but well
02:09 < Freak> one week to go for linuxtag, going to norway after that.. so I'll be back in august.
02:09 < Freak> I should have something then
02:09 < Freak> ZVS is going to tell me about my Studienplatz in September I guess
02:09 < Freak> this denglish messes my mind up ;)
02:09 < jsaw> ZVS for what?
02:10 < Freak> but I'm at least gonna pretend to speak english here ;)
02:10 < Freak> medicine at first and biology at second place.
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02:10 < Freak> no its not medicine I bet
02:10 < Freak> medizin for goshs sake
02:10 < localhost> ping Mike1
02:10 < Freak> wb demian
02:10 < localhost> oh, hi freak !
02:11 < jsaw> preferences for which city?
02:11 < jsaw> s,city,cities,
02:12 < Freak> karlsruhe for biology (which is more likely because I have 6 wartesemester for medizin to go) and tübingen for medizin
02:12 < Freak> how do you say medizin in english?
02:12 < Freak> w/o saying pharmacology :)
02:13 < jsaw> medical science, medicine
02:13 < Freak> yes really?
02:13 < Freak> ok I could have looked it up by myself ;)
02:14 < jsaw> in the lab, we usually use medicine
02:14 < rxr> btw new regression tester output available - so I now can start adding nice graphs ...
02:14 < rxr> but finally goof night ;-)
02:14 < Freak> hold on I'll connect with my powerbook..
02:14 < jsaw> rxr: not easy to switch of the monitor?
02:14 < Freak> jsaw: what type of lab?
02:14 < Freak> brb
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02:16 < jsaw> Freak: "BioMedical Optics" http://wbmo.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/
02:16 < Freak> whee..
02:17 < jsaw> Freak: what's about Heidelberg for medicine AND biology?
02:18 < Freak> i wouldnt mind
02:18 < jsaw> (come on over from linuxtag)
02:18 < Freak> whaddayamean?
02:20 < jsaw> karlsruhe -> heidelberg, 30min or so, I'll show ya the univ
02:20 < Freak> really? I'd love to
02:20 < Freak> but I'm involved at linuxtag pretty much
02:21 < jsaw> think about, if u have time, tell/write me. probably it would be a good idea to do it during the week, which would mean on the 14th...
02:22 < Freak> its no problem coming to visit you I live in Pforzheim
02:22 < Freak> I'd love to
02:23 < jsaw> Pforzheim, hehe, small world. Whenever you like.
02:23 < Freak> cool..
02:24 < Freak> maybe..
02:24 < Freak> well nah
02:25 < Freak> how are you going to get to linuxtag?
02:25 < localhost> what is the current rock 1.7 version ?
02:25 < localhost> developmment
02:25 < Freak> no thats not praktisch at all
02:26 < Freak> neither can I come fetch you for linuxtag nor can I bring you and your stuff home since I'm going to be at KA from wednesday morning till sunday evening..
02:26 * localhost free of *nix stuff or a year :(
02:27 < Freak> ?
02:27 < jsaw> poor localhost
02:27 < Freak> how come
02:27 < jsaw> hope at least u had a mac?
02:28 < localhost> $$$
02:28 < localhost> i need $$$
02:28 < localhost> coding MS stuff and well.. i need money :p
02:29 < Freak> i dont understand
02:30 < jsaw> Freak: I'm not going to linuxtag, no time.
02:30 < Freak> really?
02:31 < Freak> dang!
02:31 < localhost> cya
02:31 < localhost> within a long time..
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02:32 < Freak> hmmm poor demian..
02:32 < Freak> how come you have no time for linuxtag? :)
02:33 < jsaw> I work between 60-80h per week, if I leave on the weekend (unless its related to my work), my wife will kill me.
02:33 < Freak> how do you work so much?!
02:34 < jsaw> I'm doing my phd (Doktor).
02:34 < jsaw> Science is time consuming...
02:35 < jsaw> And not very well payed.
02:35 < jsaw> So I have to earn sth on the side.
02:35 < Freak> ic
02:35 < Freak> and you have a wife?
02:35 < Freak> how old are you, if I may ask
02:36 < jsaw> and a daughter (17month), I'm 30.
02:36 < Freak> really
02:36 < Freak> wow
02:36 < jsaw> fsck, mozilla wont compile
02:36 < Freak> ok so I definitely understand
02:37 < Freak> actually I thought you were some mid-twenties-student
02:37 < jsaw> hehe.
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02:38 < rock_linuxer> hello folks
02:38 < Freak> hi anonymous rock_linuxer
02:39 < rock_linuxer> hi
02:39 < rock_linuxer> i was looking for some help
02:39 < jsaw> go for it
02:39 < rock_linuxer> and regarding some installation problems that i am having
02:40 < rock_linuxer> ok there is rockscluster that was setup by an expert and it crashed
02:40 < rock_linuxer> and me a novice is trying to do a fresh install since the expert is not around
02:40 < rock_linuxer> and the docs left by the expert says
02:40 < rock_linuxer> i should install phyMyadmin
02:40 < rock_linuxer> but phpMyadmin complains about dependency problems
02:41 < jsaw> ROCK version?
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02:41 < rock_linuxer> it complains about not having mysql-server, mod_php  installed
02:42 < rock_linuxer> 2.3.2
02:42 < rock_linuxer> the lastest
02:42 < rock_linuxer> i downloaded the iso's and the cd' was a rotten one
02:42 < rock_linuxer> so i did a cd /home/install and rock-dist mirror
02:42 < rock_linuxer> and i can't find those packages
02:43 < jsaw> iso download location u used?
02:44 < rock_linuxer> ftp://ftp.rocksclusters.org/pub/rocks/rocks-2.3.2/i386/rocks.iso
02:45 < jsaw> you're in the wrong channel!? This is ROCK-Linux, not ROCKS.
02:46 < rock_linuxer> oh
02:46 < rock_linuxer> i am sorry
02:46 < jsaw> but, have a look at www.rocklinux.org anyway
02:46 < rock_linuxer> i thought i was in this channel 2-3 days ago
02:47 < rock_linuxer> discussing the same thing
02:47 < jsaw> I was not aware about rocks, and probably others not also.
02:48 < rock_linuxer> hmmn
02:48 < jsaw> rocks is redhat based, while ROCK-Linux is a source based installation.
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02:49 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
02:49 < almostlucky> ive been looking at installing rock. But im curious about package management
02:49 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
02:49 < rock_linuxer> ok
02:49 < rock_linuxer> thanks for your time
02:49 < almostlucky> how would i install/remove packages
02:49 < jsaw> almostlucky: mine -i/-r
02:49 < jsaw> rock_linuxer: welcome
02:50 * jsaw needs a coffee
02:50 < almostlucky> jsaw: thanks
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02:51 < jsaw> almostlucky: new to rock?
02:52 < almostlucky> havent even installed it yet
02:52 < almostlucky> so yes
02:52 < almostlucky> :)
02:53 < jsaw> ah, okay. Then, "stone" is the way to go for you (curses based config tool)
02:54 < almostlucky> is there anywhere this stuff is documented?
02:54 < almostlucky> i can only seem to find install-related docs
02:55 < jsaw> I don't know. But you'll be noted to start "stone" on installation. mnemoc?
02:56 < almostlucky> ill be sure to do that
02:56 < mnemoc> after package installing a message tells you to run 'stone' in the prompt
03:07 < mnemoc> reboot
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03:44 < rolla> re
03:44 < Freak> wb
03:44 < rolla> wir geht's Freak?
03:44 < rolla> s/wir/wie
03:45 < Freak> gut, gut
03:45 < jsaw> wb rolla
03:46 < rolla> :)
03:46 < rolla> my stage 9 perl build is failing :(
03:48 < jsaw> haven't done s9 for a long time...
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07:04 < blindcoder> moin
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10:35 < dreamind> hi
10:35 < dreamind> hi esden
10:36 < blindcoder> mon dreamind
10:36 < blindcoder> and I don't think esden is here already
10:36 < dreamind> hi blindcoder  :)
10:36 < dreamind> well doesn't matter ;)
10:59 < esden> good morning
10:59 < blindcoder> esden: moin
11:00 < esden> blindcoder: you were right I was not already here ... but the fear and armageddon is now back *muahahaha*
11:02 < blindcoder> Armageddon?
11:02 < blindcoder> I prefer Ragnarok
11:06 < esden> blindcoder: I mean everything what has to do with destruction and with deep fear ;-)
11:06 < blindcoder> hrm...
11:06 * blindcoder looks around #rocklinux ... at the walls (at least where they were), the burnt door and the human-like being cowering in th last remaining corner
11:07 < blindcoder> I see what you mean...
11:11 < esden> blindcoder: then is good ... do you like it? ... I worked so hard for it ...
11:13 < blindcoder> yes, your a good student *pats esden on the head* but you still have to learn a few things...
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12:16 < dreamind> re
12:27 < blindcoder> back
12:32 < dreamind> re blindcoder
12:34 < esden> roe
12:35 < blindcoder> roeroe
12:36 < esden> roehr roehr
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12:40 * blindcoder punches esden on the head
12:40 < blindcoder> must be a loose cable or something... *examines esdens head*
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13:12 < esden> blindcoder: leave my neuroimplants in place!!!
13:12 < esden> *grrrr*
13:12 < blindcoder> hm... okay... seems like everything's in order ^^:P
13:12 < esden> was something wrong?
13:12 < esden> what have you done to me?
13:13 < esden> blindcoder: you have released an EMP?
13:13 < esden> you bastard!
13:13 < blindcoder> oh, just put a few cables back into place
13:13 < esden> hmm ... I feel so dizzy ... 
13:13 < esden> that is hunger
13:13 < esden> I go hunting then
13:13 < esden> cu l8er
13:15 < blindcoder> Weidmanns Heil
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13:18 < daja77> moin
13:21 < blindcoder> moin daja77
13:21 < daja77> i blindy
13:21 < daja77> hi
13:21 < daja77> >_<
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13:56 < esden> re
13:57 < daja77> hi esden
13:58 < esden> hi daja77 !
13:58 * daja77 lost his backlog >_<
14:00 < blindcoder> wb esden
14:02 < esden> food makes tired ...
14:02 < daja77> hehe drink more than eating
14:04 < blindcoder> esden: yeah... I could sleep now, too >_<
14:06 < esden> daja77: I am not a alcoholic ...
14:08 < blindcoder> oh? well, that's news to me... *j/k*
14:09 < daja77> yeah esden makes such claims from time to time ...
14:10 < blindcoder> goo thing we all know the horrible truth
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14:11 < Freak> re
14:12 < daja77> hi Freak
14:12 < esden> hrmmm ... 
14:12 < esden> hi Freak 
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14:15 < oliver_> Hi @all I have a newbie question: how can I mount a usb-stick on DRocK
14:18 < esden> mount /dev/discs/discX/partX  
14:18 < esden> mount /dev/discs/discX/partY  
14:19 < esden> X and Y depends on what disks you already have in your machine
14:19 < blindcoder> *meep* Einspruch, Euer Ehren!
14:19 < esden> ? o_O
14:20 < esden> mount /dev/discs/discX/partY  /mnt
14:20 < esden> would be even better ;-)
14:20 < blindcoder> USB-Sticks are recognised as scsi-discs. In ROCK-2.0.0-beta5 at least they were NOT automatically inserted into /dev/discs/*
14:20 < daja77> hmm the symlinks /dev/sdax should exist, no?
14:21 < esden> daja77: nope
14:21 < daja77> >_<
14:21 < daja77> damn devfs
14:21 < esden> daja77: do not start blasphemy here .. you will loose
14:21 < blindcoder> fram my /etc/fstab:
14:21 < esden> devfs is the only real solution 
14:21 < blindcoder> /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/watch    auto      sync,noauto,user  0  0
14:22 < daja77> esden: afaik clifford himself started that blasphemy ...
14:22 < blindcoder> daja77: well, just because clifford said it doesn't necessarily make it true, does it?
14:22 < daja77> atm rxr is the gang leader ...
14:23 < blindcoder> just because the current implementation sucks at some things doesn't make the idea wrong
14:23 < daja77> nope but that sucking should stop asap
14:23 < esden> devfs still has some problems ... but it is getting better and better ... 
14:24 * daja77 notes that you can use blindcoder's words on hurd as well :)
14:24 < esden> devfs is sucking when you are a driver writer because the api for it is not well designed ...
14:24 < blindcoder> well, QNX also has a microkernel... and they're quite successful AFAIK
14:24 < oliver_> Thanks blindcoder it works
14:24 < esden> but I would kick every system out of teh window that is not using a similar dynamic device node creation/destruction
14:24 < blindcoder> oliver_: my pleasure
14:26 * daja77 gives lollipop to esden to calm down ...
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14:31 < esden> rofl ... muahaha ... rolling all over the room ... *lough* 
14:31 < esden> "chibi killstick" rofl
14:32 < esden> it _really_ looks not a bit like chibi ...
14:36 < esden> "killer coding ninja monkeys *do* exist" ... nice
14:38 < daja77> rxr: PING
14:40 * daja77 notes that esden likes monologues
14:40 < cchamilt> hi
14:40 < daja77> hi cchamilt
14:41 < daja77> you are not accidently using rxr's drock isos?
14:41 < cchamilt> If devfs is such a problem, then turn on mkdev compatibility
14:41 < cchamilt> never :)
14:41 < daja77> hehe
14:41 < daja77> it is late night again, I guess :)
14:41 < blindcoder> ???
14:41 < blindcoder> esden?
14:41 < blindcoder> maybe I _DID_ wire that one cable wrong after all...
14:42 < blindcoder> chibi killstick?
14:42 < blindcoder> where?
14:42 < blindcoder> WANNA HAVE!
14:42 * blindcoder will apply a real killstik to esden if he doesn't show me his killstik right _NEW_
14:42 < blindcoder> Man! That can be SO taken out of context...
14:42 * blindcoder whacks esden with his kluestik
14:42 < blindcoder> esden: ??? Where the fuck are you?
14:42 < blindcoder> ah well... get used to it... ATM he doesn't recognise anyone talking to him most of the time anyways
14:42 < blindcoder> hi cchamilt
14:42 * daja77 kicks blindcoder for flooding
14:42 < cchamilt> hi
14:42 * blindcoder ?
14:46 < daja77> anybody here who tried rene's last isos?
14:51 < rolla> re
14:54 < Freak> and they say /me was always talking to himself :)
14:55 < daja77> hi rolla
14:58 < rolla> hallo daja77
14:58 * daja77 was at an american bbq yesterday ...
14:59 * blindcoder going home
14:59 < daja77> bye blindcoder
15:00 < rolla> daja77: really
15:00 < rolla> with real americans and all?
15:00 < daja77> hehe with one girl from wisconsin who organized that ...
15:01 < rolla> ha ha
15:01 < daja77> no really
15:01 < rolla> daja77: just so you know there is nothing american about a bbq
15:01 < rolla> go to any differant part of US and you find it being differant there
15:01 < rolla> so you went to a midwest bbq :)
15:02 < daja77> hehe it was done to celebrate 4th july stuff ...
15:02 < daja77> rolla: *lol*
15:03 < rolla> daja77: nod
15:03 < rolla> now how many germans understand the 4th of july ?
15:03 < daja77> about 15
15:03 < daja77> :)
15:03 < rolla> :)
15:03 < rolla> it is a big deal for us americans ja
15:04 < daja77> america isn't that interesting in continental europe atm
15:04 < daja77> or say it is quite unpopular now ...
15:04 < daja77> was fun anyway
15:04 < rolla> well french and germans are not that interesting here atm
15:05 < daja77> I know
15:05 < daja77> let's hate a bit
15:05 < daja77> :)
15:05 < rolla> go for it
15:05 < daja77> nah it is a waste of time
15:06 < rolla> ah come on I was waiting for a good let's hate americans talk
15:07 < daja77>  /join #hateamerica ?
15:07 < rolla> :0
15:07 * daja77 evil
15:07 < rolla> }:)
15:08 < esden> hmm ... I am the only one in #hateamerica
15:08 < esden> :-(
15:08 < daja77> *lol*
15:08 < rolla> ha
15:08 < rolla> funny I thought it would be packed with french
15:08 < esden> lool!
15:09 < esden> rolla: I thougt that too
15:09 < daja77> maybe they are all in #ihateamerica
15:09 < rolla> daja77: no no they would not join a channel with english name
15:09 < esden> it is empty too
15:09 < rolla> it must be in french
15:10 < rolla> they want to clense the english word for their country
15:10 < daja77> yepp I saw the headquarter of the academie francaise :)
15:10 < rolla> ah fuckem all
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15:11 * daja77 notes that rolla never had the chance to look at the french girls ...
15:11 < esden> daja77: ruarrrrrrrr
15:11 < daja77> .oO you scared tfing away
15:11 * Freak lols
15:12 < daja77> esden: so you know what I mean :)
15:12 < esden> hehe ... tfing is getting helpers to beat rolla up ;-)
15:12 < esden> daja77: yes I _know_ what you mean ;-)
15:12 < rolla> daja77: I don't need french women
15:12 < daja77> good
15:13 < esden> rolla: you do not know what you are missing ... they are _hot_
15:13 < rolla> bring it on boys. I am in a messed up mood.
15:13 < daja77> rolla: maybe they don't want you anyway :P
15:13 < rolla> daja77: tis true but I have a woman of my own :)
15:13 < daja77> ye ye
15:14 < daja77> rolla: btw I said have a look, not marry them
15:14 < rolla> :P
15:14 < rolla> what is with german students shooting people as of late
15:15 < daja77> ?!
15:15 < rolla> Coburg
15:15 < rolla> http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6690166%255E1702,00.html
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15:16 < daja77> wb tfing
15:16 < tfing> yop
15:17 < rolla> re tfing
15:17 < daja77> bah the ms ad below that sucks
15:17 < daja77> *ggg*
15:18 < rolla> daja77: ja but they and BBC are better than american new sites
15:18 < daja77> ic
15:18 < tfing> oh ! owl mailed the ml
15:18 < daja77> tfing: yepp I told her to do so
15:18 < daja77> :)
15:20 < rolla> wow
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15:24 < rolla> re blindy
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15:27 * -> esden off for tennis
15:27 < daja77> *lol*
15:33 * daja77 could resists to add rt support to bootdisk target :)
15:33 < daja77> resist
15:48 < Ge0rG> hm... an rt boot floppy would be a nice thing... I'll have to work with a redhat machine in our unis lab to develop some rtlinux drivers
15:50 < daja77> rtrock is based on rtai not on rtlinux
15:51 < Ge0rG> ah. oh.
16:02 * daja77 goin home
16:37 * rolla goes to download sapdb
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17:33 < jsaw> moin moin
17:34 < tcr> moin
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17:35 < rolla> re
17:35 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:35 < jsaw> re
17:36 < tcr> what was that?
17:36 < tcr> did you hit the [x] button? ;)
17:36 < jsaw> (couldn't see any message I send, so I restart irssi)
17:40 < jsaw> tcr: can u send a message to the ML (currently no email configured here at home)?
17:41 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
17:41 < jsaw> gnome2/libgsf, download path last part is 1.8 (not 1.7)
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17:42 < tcr> jsaw: mom
17:44 < tcr> jsaw: what do you mean
17:45 < tcr> http://www.rocklinux.org/sources/package/gnome2/libgsf/libgsf.desc
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17:46 < jsaw> rcr: yes
17:47 < tcr> What's wrong there?
17:47 < jsaw> tcr: yes
17:48 < jsaw> wtf, the [D] field contains a wrong download path. The last part of the URL is /1.8/
17:48 < jsaw> sorry
17:49 < jsaw> I wanted to say, wtf, my fingers are not following the commands of my brain, and then "the [D]..."
17:49 < tcr> Eh, now you confused me entirely
17:49 < tcr> Is there anything wrong I should report?
17:49 < tcr> ah
17:50 < tcr> So there's nothing wrong, right?
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18:15 < esden> hi all
18:15 < jsaw> hi esden
18:16 * Aard tcr warst du nicht der, der von frankfurt aus zum linuxtag mitwollte?
18:16 < Aard> argh.
18:16 < esden> Aard: wrong language ;-)
18:16 < esden> hi Aard so by the way
18:16 < tcr> If I decide to go, yes
18:16 < Aard> esden: nope. wrong command. /me != /msg :)
18:16 < esden> ahh ok
18:16 < tcr> Why? Did you determine a date that you want to tell me?
18:17 < Aard> tcr: friday; with car.
18:19 < tcr> Is that the friday in one or in two weeks? And how does it come by car?
18:20 < Aard> tcr: friday next week. my boss wants to see how LinuxTag is, so he'll drive
18:23 < tcr> Hah, your boss?
18:23 < Aard> tcr: hm?
18:24 < tcr> what does that have to mean? ;)
18:25 < Aard> tcr: one of the 2 owners of the company I'm working for
18:26 < tcr> I'll notice you about my decision at weekend
18:27 < Aard> ok
18:30 < Aard> argh, I'm to stupid to do anything. /map != /msg
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19:16 < daja77> re
19:18 < cchamilt> hello
19:23 < daja77> is there some install instruction, howto or sth for rock?
19:24 < daja77> apart from the guide
19:29 < tcr> There was, must that seems to got removed
19:29 < tcr> hi btw
19:30 < daja77> ic maybe I should write sth >_<
19:30 * daja77 off buying food
19:46 < rolla> re
20:17 < rxr> re
20:17 < rxr> daja77: yes
20:17 < rxr> daja77: www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock
20:17 < rxr> and then documentation - > install
20:18 < jsaw> hi all
20:18 < rxr> hi
20:19 < rxr> daja77: http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/install/drock-install-20-ppc.html
20:19 < rxr> I'll write more soon
20:21 < rxr> cu - later
20:25 < jsaw> anybody around who's firm in writing a command wrapper?
20:30 < daja77> rxr: thx
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20:56 < daja77> rxr: x86 part is outdated, the other is mainly ppc
20:57 < daja77> rxr: but it is better than the guide anyway ;-)
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21:14 < netrunne1> nick netrunner
21:14 < tcr> :P
21:15 < daja77> hehe
21:15 < daja77> kick netrunner, no?
21:15 * daja77 hides
21:20 * daja77 got a new power supply for his build box :))
21:25 < netrunne1> daja77: grrr
21:25 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
21:25 * daja77 pets netrunner 
21:25 * netrunner throws the superfluous 1 at daja77
21:26 < tcr> superfluous 1?
21:26 < daja77> why so angry
21:26 < daja77> tcr: *argh* I don't wanna know it
21:27 < tcr> But I _do_ want with what you got hit! ;)
21:27 < tcr> to know
21:27 < daja77> tcr: :P
21:27 < tcr> just for the case that it wasn't big and hard enough, so that I have to help out myself a bit
21:28 < netrunner> tcr: I was known as netrunne_1_ because of ppp disconnect and slow ircserver not noticing
21:28 < tcr> Ah that 1
21:29 < daja77> tcr: heh I am the evil guy here :)
21:29 < tcr> daja77: No just the puppy
21:29 * netrunner magics two little horns on daja77s head
21:29 < daja77> thx
21:29 < tcr> puppy, well, crash dummy matches better
21:29 * daja77 pokes tcr with his new horns
21:30 < tcr> If that's all...
21:30 < daja77> ahem I can't satisfy all your wishes
21:31 < tcr> You're so incapable! ;)
21:31 < daja77> I am just not gay ...
21:31 < tcr> I don't know how you come to that subject now
21:32 < daja77> it has sth to do with your wishes *running*
21:33 < tcr> I only wish you burning, nothing more
21:33 < daja77> ic
21:34 < tcr> Have I told about my cannibalistic spleen?
21:34 < daja77> I hope somebody warns me when you come
21:34 < daja77> ahem no
21:34 * daja77 only knows of squeaking pigs, called music
21:35 < tcr> Ok, so you know now.. that means that you have to carry a bottle of ketchup with you ever day
21:36 < tcr> I'm atm listening to Klassik radio
21:37 < daja77> oh how come
21:38 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026048.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:38 < tcr> daja77: 'cuz I like Klassik? At least while reading...
21:38 < tcr> moin dreamind
21:38 < daja77> ic
21:41 < dreamind> hi tcr
21:41 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux
21:42 < LocalHero> Hi all
21:42 < daja77> hi LocalHero
21:42 < LocalHero> daja77, whazup
21:42 < tcr> hi LocalHero, how was it in vacation?
21:42 < esden> hi all
21:42 < daja77> hmm my machine works again :)
21:42 < daja77> wb esden
21:43 < LocalHero> tcr, it was great :).. Lots of fresh air and nature :)
21:43 < LocalHero> hi esden
21:44 < tcr> LocalHero: Eh, well.. but that's like everywhere in sweden methinks
21:44 < tcr> except for stockholm maybe
21:44 < tcr> which is nevertheless a nice city though
21:44 < LocalHero> tcr.. hehe, yupp, thats whats great about sweden :)
21:47 < tcr> Heh, I can still remember to my first (of 3) holiday that the cottage we rent didn't have toilets with water flushing
21:47 < tcr> holiday in sweden
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21:47 < tcr> Was, ehm, quite inconvenient, I'd say
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21:48 < LocalHero> tcr. Hehe, It still happens today that you find such a place. We went by houscar and one camping place didnt have that :)
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21:48 < tcr> LocalHero: Well that was about 5years ago though ;)
21:49 * daja77 only was in malmö
21:49 < LocalHero> Whats the main difference betwean drock and rock generic nowdays?
21:49 < tcr> Not sure, but I think we were in the near of Malmö (might be spelled differently)
21:49 < LocalHero> tcr, spelling is correct :)
21:49 < daja77> LocalHero: different kernel config, and package selection
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21:50 < tcr> Ah yeah, tr00 germanic language rule :>
21:50 < LocalHero> daja77, hmm, well i could have guesed that. But what is the real diference?
21:50 * daja77 was a few hours in malmö on a sunny day :)
21:51 < tcr> LocalHero: rest got integrated
21:51 < daja77> apart from that, no real difference
21:52 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("brb")
21:53 < tcr> Hmm... I got nothing to do... so I think I'll go sleeping
21:53 * daja77 missing Mike1 today
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21:53 -!- dahl.freenode.net changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - jor. now - http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20/
21:53 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20/
21:53 < tcr> WTF is going on here
21:53 < LocalHero> tcr, well you could play crackattack against me :)
21:54 < tcr> What's that?
21:54 < daja77> freenode stuff is out to play with the network ...
21:55 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802AF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:55 < LocalHero> Tetris like clone http://www.aluminumangel.org/attack/
21:56 < Mike1> hi all
21:56 < tcr> Wee, looks cool -- but is a bit too much for now. I really plan to go sleeping, as I'll write a test in latin tomorrow
21:57 < daja77> hi Mike1
22:01 < LocalHero> tcr, oki, well sweet dreams then :)
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22:09 < daja77> LocalHero: wanna do a package?
22:10 < LocalHero> daja77, hmm, that might be nice. Well i will try :)
22:10 < LocalHero> daja77, It might be good training :)
22:11 < daja77> yepp, should be easy, autoconf package ;-)
22:12 < LocalHero> daja77, oki, then leav it to me so i can learn :)
22:14 < daja77> sure :)
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22:19 < LocalHero> Hmm, just a thing. Im installing drock beta6 right now. Should it contain php? I mean, is that desktop stuff?
22:19 < LocalHero> and mysql
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22:32 < netrunner> LocalHero: I guess yes, since I have it here. installed rev 663 desktop
22:32 < netrunner> LocalHero: btw there is a script to easy create a new package. somewhere under misc iirc
22:32 < tfing> mirc/archives/new_package.sh
22:33 < tfing> misc/archives/new_package.sh
22:33 < tfing> no, i *don't* use mirc
22:35 < netrunner> tfing: ? why mirc?
22:38 < LocalHero> netrunner, thanx
22:38 < LocalHero> netrunner, i have to test drock beta6 and then replace my suse first
22:39 -!- RoyZombie [xchat@237.Red-80-35-127.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:39 < RoyZombie> hi
22:39 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, hi
22:40 < RoyZombie> anyone tried kernel 2.5 ? the kernel has gone crazy today, showing plenty of ide dma errors
22:40 < RoyZombie> i had to reboot
22:41 < netrunner> RoyZombie: havent seen it building fine recently, I excluded it from my builds.
22:41 < RoyZombie> i c
22:41 < RoyZombie> i better wait for 2.6
22:42 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, if there is nothing that you realy want in 2.5 stay with 2.4
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22:42 < RoyZombie> well
22:42 < RoyZombie> preempting is good
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22:43 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, but do you need it and is it so good that you want to use risky code just to get it
22:43 < RoyZombie> nope :)
22:44 < LocalHero> Hmm, i still think the iso site is a mess :(
22:45 < LocalHero> We should remove it from www.rocklinux.org i think
22:45 < RoyZombie> anyway, i don't have rocklinux installed yet, i need some answers: anyone has installed rocklinux from mandrake ?
22:46 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, what do you mean? Using vmware?
22:46 < RoyZombie> nope
22:46 < RoyZombie> i mean
22:46 < RoyZombie> the first step is downloading right ?
22:46 < RoyZombie> then build the packages...
22:46 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, That depends
22:46 < RoyZombie> i have heard it's better to do those steps from within a running rocklinux
22:47 < LocalHero> If you just want to try the distribution out there are prebuilt isos on the ftp
22:47 < RoyZombie> i don't have a cd burner :(
22:47 < LocalHero> If you want to make your own isos you have to build
22:48 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, hmm, and you dont know any who has?
22:48 < RoyZombie> mmm
22:48 < RoyZombie> yes
22:48 < RoyZombie> anyay
22:49 < RoyZombie> s/anyay/anyway/
22:49 < LocalHero> LOL
22:49 < RoyZombie> i want to optimise the building
22:50 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, hmm, in some days i can make an optimized build for you if you dont want. Just have to fix my broken computer :)
22:50 < RoyZombie> :)
22:51 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, whats your current platform?
22:51 < RoyZombie> mdk 9.1
22:51 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, i mean, cpu etc etc
22:51 < RoyZombie> oh
22:52 < RoyZombie> p4 2Ghz, 256MB DDR 256Mhz, 40 GB IDE UDMA 100
22:52 < RoyZombie> Ati Radeon VE
22:52 < LocalHero> Oki, so you would like p4 optiomized builds
22:52 < RoyZombie> yes
22:53 < RoyZombie> but i wanna try it myself
22:53 < RoyZombie> i wanna learn
22:53 < LocalHero> I will se what i can do. If the weather is rainy tomorrow i could fix my computer and start to build. Otherways i will be out collecting strawberries :)
22:53 < RoyZombie> lol
22:53 < daja77> but building under mdk sucks, according to Mike ...
22:53 < RoyZombie> i have no other distro
22:54 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, i think the build system still needs a kernel with devfs compiled in and mandrake doesnt use that if im right
22:54 < daja77> hmm you could download rock isos
22:54 < RoyZombie> yes
22:54 < RoyZombie> mdk uses devfs
22:54 < daja77> O_o
22:54 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, so the easiest thing would be to grab an rock 2.0beta iso and install it. And then build from it
22:54 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, oki, sorry, didnt know that :)
22:55 < RoyZombie> would it be possible to mount the iso using loopback and install from there ?
22:57 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, hmm, well if you are skillfull enough everything is possible :)
22:57 < RoyZombie> mmm
22:57 < RoyZombie> i have been using linux for 5 years
22:57 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, I recomend that you visit your friend or buy a cd burner, they cost about 50$ today :)
22:57 < RoyZombie> not enough skillfull yet :(
22:58 < LocalHero> RoyZombie, i think you will save a lot of time
22:58 < RoyZombie> ok
22:58 < RoyZombie> thx
22:58 < RoyZombie> see ya later
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23:14 < uninvit3d> Hello every1
23:24 < LocalHero> Is linuxtag over yet=
23:26 < SMP> LocalHero: http://www.rocklinux.net/eventreg/eventreg.cgi
23:27 < daja77> hi uninvit3d
23:27 < daja77> hi SMP
23:28 < esden> re hi all
23:28 < LocalHero> esden, hi
23:28 * daja77 gives esden a queer look
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23:29 < LocalHero> SMP, hmm, Oki, then i better wait another week so you can discuss the iso site at linuxtag. Im tiered of redisigning to find out that nobody wants it and thinks the ide is bad
23:30 < SMP> LocalHero: er, well, I won't be at LinuxTag personally. what's the problem with the iso site - I thought it was being used well?
23:32 < LocalHero> SMP, the problem is mainly its structure. I think we need some redisign to be able to public some information. Not all people like plain ftp
23:32 < LocalHero> I wrote a mail about it a week ago or something
23:33 < SMP> uhm, well, then point some webserver at the ftp space ;)
23:33 < LocalHero> Now its only a drock mirror. I dont think that was my first ide
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23:34 < SMP> LocalHero: IIRC the original idea was to have a place where isos could be traded (i.e. also uploaded)?
23:35 < LocalHero> SMP, yupp, but then we need a well structured place. The problem is that people want to rsync the information like rene does. That requires a directory and that makes the site unstructured
23:35 * daja77 currently uploaded his isos to rxr' server ...
23:36 * SMP envisions a self-service authentication system for account creation and write access to one directory per account by ftp and rsync ;)
23:37 < daja77> oh you have vision, I thought that was the disease bill gates suffers from ...
23:37 < daja77> visions
23:37 < LocalHero> SMP, that is my plan and i have started to work on it. But i found no interest in the project and to many people that thought it would take to much time to add their isos to such a system so i quited
23:38 < daja77> huh?
23:38 < SMP> LocalHero: well I don't know. of course demand was sort of lacking because there was no stable release
23:39 < SMP> LocalHero: I don't know what kind of people can be attracted to this. if you want to attract maybe half a dozen semi-pros making their own isos then rsync or even pulling the data in (mirroring) is a must
23:40 < SMP> LocalHero: I don't know what the demand might be for a system that allows any Joe-rocker to upload his personal isos he has been hacking on every now and then
23:41 < LocalHero> SMP, i thought it was working quiet well in the 1.5 1.6 days.
23:42 < SMP> LocalHero: sorry, I actually never looked at it after the initial launch ;)
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23:44 < LocalHero> The thing is that my iso site is very well visited. 128 unique ips this months and nobody seams to care about the information on it. Now i switched it to a drcok mirror but that was not my goal. I also want the old isos there and if people still want to rsync directly to the ftp it creats a problem
23:44 < LocalHero> Either i have to mount --bind every iso to a new tree or the rsync tree has to be modified
23:45 < LocalHero> Since there might be more rsync account than just one i sugest that we do a directory redisg to match that
23:45 < SMP> yeah
23:46 < SMP> one home directory for each account still sounds like the sanest approach ;)
23:47 < LocalHero> I dont. Beacuase poeple might not be interested in who made the iso but about what isos are awailbe for a current version
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23:47 < daja77> man symlinks
23:47 < SMP> lmay: hey :)
23:47 < SMP> LocalHero: hmm
23:48 < LocalHero> daja77, well try to maintain a well functionally symlinc rsync thing. It will have lost symlincs in a matter of weeks
23:49 < daja77> hmm so you come to linuxtag?
23:49 < LocalHero> daja77, who me? Hmm, where is that? Germany?
23:50 < SMP> LocalHero: not if you enforce a syntax for the directory names and create /delete the symlinks periodically. not too hard
23:50 < LocalHero> SMP, well it wount be to hard writing an export ftp upload script either
23:51 < SMP> LocalHero: what a thing?
23:51 < daja77> LocalHero: yes it is in germany, karlsruhe next week
23:51 < SMP> LinuxTag is actually not such a great event ..
23:52 < SMP> if you come to Germany I suggest you come for the CCC Camp
23:52 < Freak> that is your opinion ;)
23:52 < SMP> well, LinuxTag is a lot of work, Camp is a lot of fun ...
23:52 < Freak> ok :)
23:52 < daja77> SMP: depends, the press echo from linuxtag is larger afaik
23:52 < SMP> yes
23:53 < daja77> and we can use their press channel to announce things
23:53 < LocalHero> Karlsruhe. Autch, Thats in the south. Hmm, if it where in the north it wouldnt be that far from me and i would go. I live in southern sweden. Just at the border to denmark
23:54 < SMP> it doesn't make much sense for someone who doesn't speak German extremely well to come to LinuxTag
23:55 < daja77> LocalHero: yepp it is even 400km from me :-(
23:55 < daja77> hmm alan cox was there too ...
23:57 < LocalHero> Arrgh, why doesnt wmvare say that you have to check the split disk file thing when using ntfs. It just came up with a box saying blabla out of space. abort, retry ignore
23:57 < LocalHero> Arrgh, now i have to reinstall :(
23:57 < LocalHero> Well, i think i give up for tonight, cya all
23:58 < SMP> huh. bye!
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