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00:42 < n00kie> A-Tui: Okay :)
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01:00 < daja77> re
01:00 < A-Tui> hi daja77
01:01 < daja77> hi A-Tui
01:01 < Mike1> n8 all
01:01 < Mike1> daja77: >> SEND PICS OF LT <<
01:01 < Mike1> bye.
01:01 < A-Tui> bye Mike1
01:02 < daja77> have no cam
01:02 < daja77> but fake has one
01:02 < jsaw> re. hi all
01:02 < daja77> hi jsaw
01:03 < jsaw> hi daja77. I now screwed my build dir also... :(
01:03 < daja77> hehe
01:03 * daja77 did no build today :)
01:05 < jsaw> anybody around who wants to help me to get OpenOffice compiled on ROCK? (I'm stuck)
01:06 * daja77 on an iris box now ...
01:06 < jsaw> iris?
01:06 < daja77> sgi
01:06 * daja77 on linuxtag
01:07 < jsaw> you mean irix?
01:07 < daja77> nope iris is the name of that machine
01:08 < daja77> silicongraphics iris
01:08 < daja77> running linux
01:09 < jsaw> oh!
01:09 < jsaw> lovely.
01:11 < esden> daja77: fake will be happy if you bring the box over to linux tag ;-)
01:11 < jsaw> hi esden
01:11 < daja77> the akk guys will be angry if i do so
01:12 < esden> ohh .. that is sad :-(
01:12 < esden> yes hi jsaw ... and others ;-)
01:12 < daja77> fake brought some nice  hw anyway
01:12 < jsaw> daja77: show 'em how much the box can be if it runs ROCK....
01:12 < daja77> ha!
01:13 * daja77 surrounded by debian fanatics ...
01:13 < jsaw> much faster, i meant
01:14 < esden> daja77: you have to convert them ;-)
01:15 < daja77> almighty, I don't have that much power
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01:15 < esden> hi ripclaw_ ghost
01:16 < daja77> I hope I'll see him tomorrow
01:18 < esden> you will ... you will ;-)
01:20 < daja77> hmm
01:29 * daja77 met clifford today :)
01:32 < esden> nice ... greet him from me ... 
01:33 < daja77> ok
01:33 < esden> I hope you guys will make lot's of photos
01:33 < esden> it really sux that I can not be with you there >_<
01:33 < daja77> btw we are next to xbox linux booth
01:33 < esden> yes I know
01:33 < daja77> hehe
01:34 < esden> rocklinux xbox target?
01:34 < esden> ;-)
01:34 < esden> daja77: will you be at rocklinux developer meeting?
01:34 < daja77> yeah seems that we'll work on this
01:34 < daja77> esden: I hope so
01:34 < esden> good
01:35 < esden> if nothing goes in my way I will be there too
01:35 < daja77> clifford told me about rock 2.1 features today ...
01:37 * daja77 trying to find a place to sleep
01:39 < daja77> cu
01:40 < esden> cu
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01:55 < Funksaw> Hi.  What is RockLinux?
01:56 < Funksaw> oop.  Nevermind.
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05:44 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm waiting for your stoning :)
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06:08 < rxr> mnemoc: hi
06:08 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
06:08 < rxr> needed to fix build regressions first ...
06:09 < mnemoc> ok
06:09 < mnemoc> if you have a minute some day... can you take a look to rsbac?
06:09 < mnemoc> this errno thing is killing me
06:09 < n00kie_> good night guys :)
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06:10 < mnemoc> mmm
06:15 < rxr> mnemoc: replied
06:15 * rxr taking a shower ...
06:44 < rxr> re
06:44 < rxr> (I have not shower that long - I was already back typing ...)
06:45 * rxr tries to sleep again (some hours)
06:50 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
06:51 < mnemoc> 30minutes in the shower is relaxing :)
06:51 < jsaw> good morning!
06:52 < mnemoc> moin jsaw
06:52 < jsaw> tach mnemoc
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07:22 < blindcoder> moin
07:22 < mnemoc> moin bc
07:34 < joss> hi, is there a problem with rocklinux beta6?
07:34 < mnemoc> define "problem"
07:34 < blindcoder> hi joss
07:34 < joss> seems like somekind og script doesnt work to finnish installation
07:35 < joss> some kind of script i ment :)
07:35 < blindcoder> hmm... no that shouldn't be...
07:35 < blindcoder> what makes you think so?
07:35 < joss> because last time i installed beta4 i got the configuration screens after i packed 3 cd-s to hard drive
07:36 < joss> blindcoder: are you running beta6 now?
07:36 < joss> maybe i should try to install it again
07:37 < blindcoder> I run beta4 right now
07:37 < joss> does gimp work for you, with beta4?
07:37 < blindcoder> Currently building a rc1-dev-bc to test a few packages and things I would like in mainline Rock
07:38 < blindcoder> yes, no problem at all
07:38 < joss> hmm, it gave me segfault with beta4 last time
07:40 < joss> blindcoder: is there a way to boot vmware installation with usual method?
07:40 < blindcoder> usual method?
07:40 < joss> i mean without vmware
07:41 < blindcoder> I never tried moving a vmware installation out of a virtual disk... it works, however, if you used a physical disk
07:41 < joss> ok, thats nice
07:44 < jsaw> the same question as every time: what processor are you running, joss?
07:46 < joss> athlon 1,2GhZ
07:47 < jsaw> (I'm always checking if people hit a gcc bug with the pentium4, if they report segfaults etc.)
07:48 < blindcoder> jsaw: ME! ME! :)
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07:55 < jsaw> :) :O :O :)
08:07 < mistik1> re all
08:07 < blindcoder> hi mistik1
08:07 < mistik1> howdy
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08:29 < Aard> argh, what happened last night? 1059 new mails
08:32 < blindcoder> a harvester found your website/email-archive/usenet-posting
09:01 < Aard> jup, 900x viagra advertisment from faked hotmail or msn adresses. assholes
09:03 < Aard> is there someone who gan give ne nuclear weapons for free?
09:08 < blindcoder> hrm... That should have been a joke >_<
09:10 < Aard> blindcoder: please don't make jokes about me dying soon... ;)
09:10 < blindcoder> nah. I have esden for that :D
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09:18 < Aard> bbl (offline till I'm at work)
09:28 < owl> hi
09:28 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:36 < owl> hi blindy
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09:48 < Aard> re.
09:49 < owl> wb Aard
09:54 < blindcoder> wb Aard
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10:35 < mart193> blincoder: still here?
10:36 -!- mart193 is now known as joss
10:36 < blindcoder> jo
10:37 < joss> well is there anyway to connect cdrom drive to boot when dealing with physical drives (vmware)
10:37 < owl> hi joss
10:38 < blindcoder> sure
10:38 < blindcoder> it should be in the cenfiguration
10:38 < joss> either way i tried to install beta6 once more, still the same deal gives a libfam0 shared library conflict when I try to log on :(
10:39 < blindcoder> libfam0 ???
10:39 < joss> yep, i guess I saw wright
10:39 < joss> i home i mean
10:40 < joss> hope
10:40 < blindcoder> [I] a filesystem support library
10:40 < blindcoder> [T] fam is a library to help make GUI tools more usable by notifying them
10:40 < blindcoder> [T] when the files they're interested in are created, modified, executed,
10:40 < blindcoder> [T] and removed.
10:40 < Aard> if somebody has nothing to do and wants to have fun with a spammer -- 218.70.8.76. (>1000 mails with viagra advertisment during the last 5 hours)
10:40 < blindcoder> MUAHAHHA
10:41 * blindcoder firing up default tools
10:42 < owl> *lol*
10:43 < joss> heh
10:47 < joss> hmm, vmware doesnt boot the cd:( grub comes up only, what`s the case?
10:48 < blindcoder> cd bootable
10:48 < blindcoder> ?
10:48 < joss> yep rock beta6 :)
10:49 < joss> i used custom settings and marked all the physical partitions
10:50 < joss> but cd doesnt boot
10:52 < blindcoder> hmm... does it boot in a "real" computer?
10:52 < joss> yes
10:52 < blindcoder> do you have read access to the cdrom device?
10:53 < joss> and when i use virtualdisk it also boots with vmware
10:53 < blindcoder> does the path point to the correct cdrom-device? ( /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, not /dev/cdrom )
10:53 < joss> yes
10:56 < joss> blindcoder can you try to boot your cdrom with physical hard disk configurations?
10:57 < blindcoder> I'm not at home right now
10:58 < blindcoder> and I won't be home for more than 30 minutes today >_<
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11:00 < fake> ho
11:00 < blindcoder> hiho
11:01 * blindcoder having lunch now
11:08 < Aard> ARGH. 200 bounces because some asshole used my adress as from. bbl (jumping out of the window)
11:12 < owl> ???
11:12 * fake looking for empty cans
11:13 < owl> .oO( fake is alive?!!!? )
11:13 < owl> hi fake
11:15 < fake> owl: wondering myself sometimes. hi owl.
11:15 < owl> why wondering?
11:15 < owl> how are you, btw?
11:15 < fake> wether i am alive or not.
11:16 < owl> hm
11:16 < fake> oh, whatever. how are you?
11:16 < netrunner> moin btw
11:16 < fake> hi netrunner
11:17 < owl> hm. alive i guess...
11:17 < fake> owl: will u come to lxtag, btw?
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11:18 < owl> fake: don't think so... nothing planned yet...
11:19 < owl> why?
11:23 < fake> ripclaw_: still haven't left?
11:23 < fake> owl: just curious
11:23 < fake> ripclaw_: we need speakers, big, fat, loud speakers *g*
11:24 < fake> ripclaw_: and maybe you could stop by a shop and by some pappbecher and bring a thermoskanne along, then we could offer coffee...
11:24 < fake> 'd be cool
11:24 < fake> i am talking to a ghost...
11:24 < owl> .oO(offering coffee... or drinking coffee? ;)
11:25 < fake> offer coffee to visitors and stuff
11:25 < owl> ah so
11:27 < fake> (they should not see the coffee machine it is made with... would be kindan scary to most of them... muahahaah)
11:27 < fake> i think i last cleaned it on HAL...
11:27 < fake> *g*
11:27 < owl> *rofl*
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11:28 < fake> oh, i met Freak yesterday
11:28 < owl> you mean: the schimmel is inside, eh?
11:28 < owl> fake: how was it?
11:28 < fake> ang ge0rg is in the booth next to ours
11:28 < fake> daja77 is here, and clifford
11:28 < owl> i c. greetings to them, please...
11:28 < fake> owl: confusing
11:29 < owl> fake: why this? *g*
11:29 < fake> i am alone atm, but i'll try to remember
11:29 < owl> oki. thx
11:30 < fake> lots of people with ... was heisst eigentlich krawatte auf englisch?
11:31 < Aard> fake: tie.
11:31 < Aard> dict.leo.org helps.
11:31 < fake> isn't that the 'fliege' ?
11:31 < fake> i thought so... wrd 'tie-fighter'
11:31 < owl> uh... good question... sorry.. i can't open IE currently.. my machine is too slow and building our product. *gnarf*
11:32 < owl> hmm... too late
11:34 < fake> lots of peoples with ties and suits and stuff around
11:34 < fake> and female beings have also been reported ;)
11:35 < owl> nothing new also... (remember /me was last year on LT, too... )
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11:35 < fake> it was a joke
11:35 < owl> ah so.
11:37 < Aard> tie. argh. I remember some IBM-people I talked to at last LT. Thanks. I'd never wanted to remember this.
11:37 < fake> IBM is not here this year, at least it seems so
11:39 < owl> Aard: why not stasified with the ibm-people?
11:40 < Aard> fake: IBM told me that I'll find some people at LT who can tell me some stuff I needed to know about Domino/Notes/Linux. I'd founde the guys funny if I had taken drugs
11:40 < Aard> complete waste of time. never again.
11:41 < fake> technicians on a fair? never...
11:41 < fake> those are marketing people
11:41 < fake> at last, that's what a fair is all about - marketing & pr
11:42 < Aard> fake: IBM though they had sent some programmers. btw, fujitsu-siemens had some nice technicians there, had a long and nice talk with one of them
11:42 * blindcoder back
11:42 < fake> fsc... *shivers*
11:44 < Aard> fake: they knew how to make nice keyboards. about 15 years ago... ;)
11:44 < fake> hehe, ack
12:22 * owl kicks Aard 
12:23 < blindcoder> owl?
12:24 < owl> blindcoder: nothing
12:32 < fake> das reh springt hoch, das reh springt weit, warum auch nicht, es hat ja zeit, mr. anderson....
12:32 < blindcoder> martix XP?
12:32 < owl> haeh?! auf welchen drogen...?
12:33 < fake> nein, is so ein insider ;)
12:33 < owl> ah. k. :)
12:33 < fake> eines dieser rehe   hat keine zukunft... mr. anderson
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12:34 < owl> O_o
12:34 < fake> ripclaw__: say the magic word
12:35 < ripclaw__> arpacadabra ?
12:35 < fake> ripclaw__: aaah, finally, i hate talking to ghosts.
12:35 < fake> ripclaw__ did you read my above notes?
12:35 < ripclaw__> bin am essen, werd gleich nach k-town fetzen.
12:36 < ripclaw__> about notes ?
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12:36 < ripclaw> back in town
12:36 * ripclaw is back
12:36 < fake> ripclaw: pappbecher, thermoskanne, fette boxen?
12:36 < ripclaw> fehlt noch ?
12:36 < fake> j0
12:37 < ripclaw> boxen check, thermos hab ich nicht, becher .... hrmpf. moment...
12:37 < fake> ripclaw: du kannst auch becher in nem supermarkt kaufen, wir teilen dann die kostne
12:37 < fake> ripclaw: clifford meint grade patchkabel
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12:41 < owl> O_o
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12:42 < ripclaw> foo bar
12:42 < ripclaw> connexion suck
12:42 < blindcoder> baz
12:42 < ripclaw> fake, patchkabel ok.
12:42 < ripclaw> becher ok
12:42 < ripclaw> bocen ok.
12:42 < ripclaw> was noch
12:42 < Aard> bbl (lunch)
12:43 < ripclaw> wat else ?
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12:51 < fake> hi Freak
12:52 < Freak> hey fake
12:52 < Freak> you at the booth?
12:53 < fake> j0
12:53 < fake> hacking on the challenge
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13:11 < Freak> ah
13:11 < Freak> where is that?
13:11 < Freak> how do you have time to chat while h4x1nk
13:12 < Freak> I'll brb, going back down to the expo (at the office atm)
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13:13 < daja77> hi
13:13 < owl> hi daja77
13:13 < daja77> hi owl
13:13 < fake> heyho daja!
13:13 < fake> *waves*
13:13 * daja77 waves back
13:13 < fake> *lol*
13:21 < daja77> owl: you here? O_o
13:22 < daja77> *lol* I have seen the new linuxtag poster on the back of a girl
13:23 < daja77> last year they messed up the dates, so it reads now: summer 2004 ;-)
13:24 < owl> daja77: yes...
13:24 < daja77> good
13:24 < owl> daja77: but just in #rocklinux
13:24 < daja77> huh
13:25 < rxr> re
13:25 < rxr> hi daja77
13:25 < owl> != dev... (oki... wanted to have a look at it... but my beloved gcc has "overoptimization problems")... *gnarf*
13:25 < daja77> hi rxr
13:25 < rxr> you are at LT ?
13:25 < daja77> owl: I know, don't worry
13:25 < daja77> rxr: yes
13:25 * daja77 sold some rock cds
13:26 < rxr> how is it over there ?
13:26 < fake> rxr: nice
13:26 < rxr> feel free to point people to the official rock20 site and the download URLs , too
13:26 < daja77> it is ok for now, the crowd will come over the weekend I guess
13:26 < rxr> fake: daja77: greetings to all
13:26 < fake> rxr: i did.
13:27 * rxr at work - waiting for M$ VC++ to link (takes 8 minutes ...)
13:27 < fake> back from cliff
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13:27 < daja77> time to do bad jokes about that, but no ...
13:28 < fake> huh?
13:29 < daja77> don't worry
13:35 < daja77> yeah georg brought some lemonade :)
13:36 < rxr> how many people visit the booth ? Will we soon have pictures ?
13:37 < daja77> not much, but we hope this will change after clifford's talk
13:40 < rxr> cu - later
13:40 < daja77> but hey I sold a pack of cds for 3,-
13:40 < daja77> cu rxr
13:40 < owl> .oO(*gnarf* the neverending build)
13:45 < daja77> be patient!
13:45 < daja77> :)
13:48 < fake> sw33t!
13:48 < fake> sshd running on the challenge
13:48 < daja77> ?
13:48 < fake> (under rock)
13:48 < fake> fake@challenge:~$ uname -a
13:48 < fake> Linux challenge 2.4.19 #1 Wed Jan 29 18:29:34 CET 2003 mips unknown
13:48 < fake> fake@challenge:~$ cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION
13:48 < fake> ROCK Linux 1.7-snapshot (2003/02/11)
13:49 < fake> finally i got to install it
13:49 < daja77> ah challenge is your box ...
13:50 < fake> the sgi, yes
13:50 < daja77> hehe tell this the deb folks in akk ;-)
13:51 < fake> why?
13:51 < daja77> the run debain on sgi iris boxes there
13:52 < fake> iris? the cubic one?
13:52 < daja77> no
13:52 < daja77> doesn't look like a cube to me
13:52 < owl> daja77: be patient? /me buidling since monday... *cries*
13:52 < fake> the iris is an R3000, there is no port for it... :( i have one
13:53 < daja77> *gg*
13:53 < fake> an iris, not a port
13:53 < fake> ;)
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14:02 < daja77> hey Freak
14:03 < fake> re Freak
14:03 < daja77> Freak looked so tired this morning ...
14:06 < fake> debian users often look tired... ;)
14:07 < daja77> you wanted to say old ;-)
14:09 < daja77> hehe bsd bashing in #linuxtag
14:10 < daja77> fake: yeah :)
14:12 < owl> daja77: you're evil today... did i already mention this? ;)
14:13 < daja77> nope, but you are right :)
14:13 * daja77 wondering if owl is in #linuxtag chan today ...
14:14 < owl> daja77: huh?
14:14 < daja77> so you haven't read what I wrote there *gg*
14:14 < owl> *lol*
14:15 < owl> old men have to pray or so, not to tease someone, daja77 !
14:15 * daja77 likes teasing people
14:15 < daja77> it is more fun than praying anyway
14:16 < owl> yes. sure :p
14:17 * daja77 likes teasing owl 
14:17 * owl likes kicking daja77 
14:17 < daja77> ugh I know
14:18 < owl> *har*
14:18 < owl> you can be lucky, that you don't know me in RL - cuz /me sometimes kicking in RL (especially kicking tom *harhar*)
14:18 * daja77 happy :)
14:18 < fake> as long as you aren't peeping tom...
14:19 < owl> peeping?
14:19 < daja77> don't think so ...
14:19 < fake> dict.leo.org -> peeping tom
14:19 < owl> fscking or what?
14:19 < fake> owl: you are soooo versaut
14:19 < owl> fake: nack
14:20 < owl> peeping tom isn't also not my business
14:21 < fake> isn't not ?
14:21 < fake> *g*
14:22 < owl> *lol* dammit.
14:22 < owl> i meant is not
14:22 < owl> .oO(peinlich)
14:22 < daja77> it is warm ...
14:23 < fake> daja77: feel free to undress ;)
14:23 < daja77> fake: you pervert!
14:23 < fake> owl: are you on drugs? i mean, i am in this channel for a few hours now, and you still havent shouted on me? *g*
14:23 < fake> s,on,at,
14:24 < owl> daja77: don't undress you, please! otherwise i will die!
14:24 < fake> argh.
14:24 < fake> s, on me, at me,
14:24 < daja77> owl: it is worth a try ...
14:24 < owl> fake: :ppp yes. and - i really must be on drugs. cuz of good mood :p
14:25 < daja77> owl + good mood, oxymoron detected
14:25 < fake> omfg. what indegriends?
14:26 < fake> pure endorphine injection... bwuahaha
14:26 < esden> hi all
14:27 < owl> yes, every morning about 100 ml of endorphine ;p
14:27 < owl> hi esden
14:27 < esden> hi owl ... you too on linuxtag?
14:27 < fake> esden: hi. someone was asking stuff about dietlibc, i pointed him to you
14:27 < esden> fake: thanks ...
14:27 < owl> esden: nope...
14:27 < esden> hi fake ;-)
14:28 < esden> fake: how is linuxtag? many people?
14:28 < esden> how big is the interest in rock?
14:28 < owl> esden: you are not at LT?
14:28 < esden> are you making photos?
14:28 < esden> owl: nope
14:28 < fake> esden: many people in suits today, as always on weekdays
14:28 < owl> esden: how comes?
14:28 < blindcoder> hi esden
14:28 < esden> I have to write an exam on saturday and on monday
14:28 < fake> esden: i don't like photos, you know
14:28 < owl> urgs. ah so. :-/
14:28 < esden> that is too much photo's
14:28 < esden> argl
14:29 < daja77> hi esden
14:29 < esden> I mean it is too much stress
14:29 < esden> >_<
14:29 < esden> hi daja77 
14:29 < esden> fake: you do not have to make photos of yourself
14:29 < esden> only of everything surrounding you ;-)
14:30 < fake> esden: i would have to boot winXP - no linux driver for the c1mhp-cam yet
14:30 < owl> .oO( esden isn't interested on fake 's face? *har*)
14:30 < fake> and i am definitely not going to do that
14:30 < daja77> only in other parts of fake's body I guess
14:30 < fake> btw, the challenge is finally running rock
14:30 < fake> daja77: don't  conclude from your desires to others' desires ;P
14:31 < daja77> fake: not my desires, but I know esden a bit :)
14:31 < esden> owl: ack ;-) I have seen it often enough and I know how he looks like ;-)
14:32 < fake> esden is fed up of my face :_:
14:32 < esden> daja77: you are wrong ... 
14:32 < owl> esden: hehe
14:32 < daja77> esden: really, how could that happen *har*
14:32 < esden> fake: ROFL ... you know me too good ;-)
14:33 < esden> fake: write a driver for your cam ... that is no problem for you ... in half an hour you will be ready
14:33 * fake would like breakfast again now
14:33 < esden> I know your skills ;-)
14:33 < daja77> well changing nick from fake to face could be done in no time
14:33 * -> esden eating a bretzel that he got for free
14:34 < esden> daja77: watching too much A-Team ?
14:34 < fake> esden: eek. even the NDA signing needs a week or so
14:34 < esden> fake: reverse engeneering is your friend 
14:34 < daja77> hehe no not really
14:35 < fake> breakfast was great... with baked beans, potatoes, chicken nuggets and stuff...
14:35 < esden> fake: congrats for getting chellenge running under rock
14:36 < fake> esden: thx
14:36 * -> esden got no breakfast at all ...
14:36 < rxr> daja77: arround ?
14:36 * -> esden had no time
14:36 < daja77> rxr: yes
14:37 < rxr> has clifford managed to get the rs6000 to LT ? And what is the weight and size of the package ?
14:37 < fake> rxr: it is standing right next to me
14:37 < daja77> it is here
14:37 < rxr> cool
14:37 < fake> rxr: no package, just the bare machine
14:37 < rxr> cool - more PowerPC fun then ...
14:38 < fake> it is a full 19" machine, 2HE i think
14:38 < rxr> and the weight arround 10kg ?
14:38 < fake> but the weight is...well, i could carry it with one arm without problems
14:38 < rxr> ah that is good to know ;-)
14:39 < rxr> will we have photos of the booth soon ? *g*
14:39 < Aard> *sigh* this asshole started spamming from another ip, again.
14:40 < daja77> rxr: will you bring some posters to lt?
14:40 < daja77> Aard: ?
14:40 < esden> rxr: force fake to boot winXP then you will have photos ;-)
14:41 < Aard> daja77: woke up and found about 1000 mails with viagra advertisment in my mailbox. blocked the spammers ip on my mail server, got home -- and found my mailbox spammed from another ip
14:41 < daja77> ugh, if yu find him, shoot him ls
14:42 < daja77> pls
14:42 < Aard> currently trying to figure out all subnets from his provider to block everything from that provider
14:50 < esden> Aard: write mail to the provider that he is sending spam ...
14:51 < Aard> esden: chinese providers taking abuse-mails serious? give me some of your drugs, please
14:56 < Aard> bbl (back to work)
14:56 < fake> bbl
14:57 < daja77> oh shit /me alone
14:58 < daja77> hope ripclaw coming soon
14:59 < esden> ok ... I am off for learning
14:59 < esden> cu guys
14:59 < daja77> have fun
14:59 < owl> bye esden
15:11 < Freak> daja77: there?
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15:14 < tcr> moin all
15:15 < Freak> huhu
15:15 < Freak> tcr: when you gonna show up?
15:15 < owl> hi tcr
15:18 < tcr> Freak: My grandma will celebrate birthday on saturday, and she lives quite far away, so that I'll depart tomorrow already, and will be back again on sunday.. So there's unfortunately no chance to come
15:19 < Freak> goddangit
15:19 < Freak> why didntcha come here _today_
15:19 < Freak> its great actually
15:19 < Freak> so many people!
15:19 < Freak> it so crowded.. last year thursday was the worst day..
15:19 < Freak> like
15:19 < Freak> no ppl
15:21 < Mike1> moin.
15:21 < tcr> Well, it's because I've school
15:21 < tcr> moin Mike1
15:21 < owl> hi Mike1
15:21 * Mike1 hugs owl
15:21 < tcr> Freak: Heh, if it were so busy, wouldn't there be something more interesting than hanging around here in irc?
15:21 * owl hugs Mike1 :)
15:22 < Mike1> :)
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15:25 < Mike1> blindy!
15:25 < owl> oho. someone committed suicide
15:26 < Mike1> owl: no worries, its blindy, he is no mortal.
15:26 < Mike1> ;-)
15:26 < Aard> re (from work)
15:26 < owl> Mike1: ah. i forgot ;p
15:26 < owl> wb Aard
15:27 < Mike1> welcome back Aardvark
15:35 < daja77> Freak: re ;-) had a long talk
15:35 < Mike1> hi daja77
15:35 < daja77> hi Mike1
15:36 < Mike1> how are thing over there at LT?
15:36 < daja77> fine, clifford has his talk now
15:36 < tcr> daja77: With whom?
15:36 < Mike1> any pics for me yet? :)
15:36 < tcr> h
15:36 < Mike1> daja77: tell Cliff i said good luck :)
15:36 < daja77> tcr: about rock, he is there with fake
15:37 < tcr> There's no online broadcast?
15:37 < tcr> What a pity
15:37 < daja77> Mike1: ask fake about pics, when he is back
15:37 < Mike1> daja77: i will
15:37 < Mike1> daja77: broadcast?
15:37 < daja77> nope fake has no linux drivers for the webcam
15:38 < Mike1> no linux drivers... wait a minute he is not running m$ there is he?
15:38 < daja77> not atm, no
15:38 < Mike1> good.
15:42 * daja77 happy
15:42 < Mike1> why?
15:43 < daja77> -> query
15:43 < tcr> daja77: Do you already know to which talk you want to go?
15:44 < tcr> talks
15:44 < daja77> no, I am not much interested in the talks anyway
15:45 < tcr> Well, I'd have suggested "free software in the knowledge society" to you. It'll be hold tomorrow at 5pm
15:46 < daja77> ok sounds interesting
15:46 < daja77> today only dull talks besides rock
15:46 < tcr> And sunday there'll be two talks about tcpa&co
15:46 < daja77> hehe
15:47 < daja77> I guess we have much work on the weekend
15:48 < tcr> I wish I could come
15:49 < daja77> install rocklinux for your grandma!
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15:52 < tcr> How does it look atm? Everything going on fine?
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15:55 < owl> re
15:56 < Mike1> Welcome back owlita
16:01 < Freak> daja77: again, you there? :)
16:01 < Freak> missed ya again I fear..
16:01 < Freak> daaang. :)
16:01 < Freak> I had another long talk as well..
16:01 < Freak> this powerbook *does* make the people talkative.
16:01 < Freak> or rather "askative" ;)
16:02 < Freak> but me switched to verbose mode so.. no problem for Freak.
16:02 < Freak> ;P
16:03 * tcr sets freak to mode +poser
16:05 < owl> thx Mike1
16:05 < owl> that must be real love...
16:05 < owl> (pointing to tcr and Freak )
16:07 < tcr> "Quatsch net, Weib!"
16:09 < owl> hehehe. tcr - friendly as always
16:09 * owl kicks tcr until he dies
16:11 < tcr> Well, that'll become hard for you :P
16:13 < owl> why? are you one of those often mentioned-in-this-channel immortal geeks? ;)
16:14 < tcr> Not yet.
16:22 < owl> .oO( if tcr once will become immortal, the world will be destroyed by him )
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16:25 < DeElsasser> tag
16:27 < owl> hi DeElsasser
16:28 < DeElsasser> hi owl
16:28 < daja77> re, our switch died :-(
16:28 < DeElsasser> hi daja77
16:29 < DeElsasser> are you in Karlsrihe?
16:29 < daja77> yes
16:29 < DeElsasser> will come tomorrow i hope,,,
16:29 < daja77> cool
16:30 < daja77> Freak: wassup?
16:30 < DeElsasser> I'm looking about a plan to find where Linuxtag is
16:30 < daja77> www.linuxtag.org
16:32 < Freak> daja77!
16:32 < Freak> =)
16:32 < Freak> tcr: exactly. what else would I have a powerbook for ;)
16:32 < Freak> daja77: exactly. I didn't just *look* tired.
16:33 < Freak> I could hardly sleep 2,5hrs
16:33 < owl> slept in the "turnhalle"?
16:35 < daja77> yeah /me only slept a few hours too ...
16:35 < daja77> :)
16:36 < owl> gnarf. poor guys
16:37 < tcr> owl: First plan of my world destruction is to give you the most horrible punishment
16:37 < daja77> Freak: could you have a look at the booth for let's say 15min?
16:37 < owl> tcr: which would be?
16:37 < Freak> daja77: you mean me to look after the booth or to come visit you?
16:38 < tcr> owl: Put in a tight jail only with freak to the end of your life
16:38 < tcr> Screwed sentence
16:38 < owl> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! help!!! you#re really evil, tcr !
16:38 < tcr> I know >8)
16:39 * owl hides in the dark corner of the room and hopes that tcr won't see her :p
16:39 * owl kicks tcr now *har*
16:39 < tcr> >8}
16:39 < owl> ph34r my boots, tcr
16:39 < tcr> Revenge will be endless.
16:40 < Freak> daja77: hold on I'll come over there.
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16:41 < owl> tcr: *sniff* don't be so cruel
16:41 < tcr> You deserve it!
16:41 < owl> tcr: why? what did i do?
16:42 < DeElsasser> daja77: I don't find, is it more nord, sud, east, west?
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16:44 < tcr> owl: You exist, that's crime enough
16:45 < owl> tcr: "danke fuer die blumen"
16:46 < owl> <-- off (@ train) cya
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16:49 < daja77> loking after it, I am alone here now, and need to half a quick walk, you know
16:50 < tcr> daja77: Heh, he got stuck somewhere on the way, i guess ;)
16:58 < daja77> nope
16:58 < daja77> thx Freak
16:59 < Freak> =)
16:59 * Freak been looking after your booth guys
16:59 < daja77> DeElsasser: centre
16:59 < Freak> praise my mighty skillfullness ;P
17:00 < daja77> guess clifford and freak are having lots of talks atm
17:00 < tcr> Omg, does it still stand where it was?
17:00 < Freak> daja77: fake that is
17:00 < daja77> d'oh
17:00 < daja77> you are right
17:00 < Freak> tcr: no traffic there btw :|
17:00 < daja77> iirc fefe walked away with clifford to the talk :)
17:01 < tcr> Freak: No wonder, I'm not there ;)))
17:01 < Freak> ACK!!!
17:01 < DeElsasser> daja77: vermisse mein dsl anschluss
17:01 < Freak> but whats even more important
17:01 < Freak> or even
17:01 < Freak> the MOST important factor maybe
17:01 < Freak> *I don't use ROCK*
17:01 < Freak> >;)))
17:01 < Freak> brb.
17:01 < daja77> there is only traffic at the jolt booth :)
17:07 < daja77> Freak: I promise to visit your booth ...
17:08 < tcr> Ah, you wanna rant at debians boot?
17:08 < daja77> without getting killed, I guess not
17:09 < Aard> hrhr
17:09 < tcr> Recall you're solid as ROCK, no debian whimsy will ever succeed in violating you!
17:10 < Aard> tcr: won't be enough to beat debian-arrogance :)
17:10 < DeElsasser> daja77: ok I find, bis morgen ,,,
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17:11 < tcr> Aard: Well, yeah. But it's in a certain limit; there're groups of people who's #$!@ is unmeasurable
17:12 < Aard> tcr: jup. there are some nice people at debian, but most of the current developers...
17:13 < tcr> It's -generally- in a certain limit. Of course there're everything complete assholes, and people less of an asshole
17:13 * tcr is certainly the complete asshole of ROCK ;)
17:14 < tcr> s,everything,everywhere,
17:14 < daja77> ack
17:14 * Aard is not an asshole, only a really friendly BOFH ;)
17:14 < tcr> daja77: ack to which statement? ;)
17:15 < daja77> to your self description *ggg*
17:15 * daja77 hides
17:15 < tcr> Freak: Plese give daja an ass kick the next time you meet him
17:15 < daja77> *gna* wtf the xine booth is next to us
17:15 < Aard> FUCK, symantec prohobits 'deep linking'. how am I supposed to find what I'm looking for on _that_ page?!
17:16 < daja77> *lol*
17:16 < daja77> you need relevant information, wtf
17:16 < daja77> from symantec
17:16 < daja77> I mean
17:17 < Aard> daja77: they want me to use symantec antivirus on a mailrelay. I need to know if I can get this working with qmail
17:17 < daja77> *aargh* what a fscking job
17:17 < tcr> Why do you use qmail at all?
17:18 < daja77> symantec is crap software *period*
17:18 < Aard> tcr: because I want to use qmail for that. symantec is tha annoying part...
17:18 < tcr> qmail ain't free
17:19 < daja77> bla
17:19 < Aard> qmail is free.
17:19 < esden> re hi all
17:19 < tcr> nah, its license isn't free
17:20 < Aard> tcr: for the debian-guys it's not free. for other people it's free. and no, I don't want to discuss this.
17:20 * daja77 neither
17:21 < tcr> You're prohibited to modify it and redistribute it then, how can that be free in any angle of view?
17:23 < tcr> :P if that's in harmony with you, then be well
17:25 < daja77> nah just not in a mood to discuss
17:32 < Aard> gna. supportet platforms: Slowlaris (R), RedHat(R) Linux(R), Mircrosoft(R) Windows(R) 2000 (R) platforms (R)
17:33 < daja77> Aard: so what it should run on other linux as well
17:35 < Aard> daja77: I hope it will, but I bet (R) symantec has build ist with one (R) of RedHats (R) defective (R) c-compilers (R)
17:35 < daja77> hehe
17:39 < daja77> (R) = *aaaargh*, no?
17:41 < Aard> daja77: hm?
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17:41 < Aard> (R) = R mit kringelsche drumrum
17:41 < daja77> I just expanded the expression in  the brackets ;-)
17:42 < daja77> *lol* hessisch
17:46 < Aard> hm. are there usable free virus scanners out there?
17:47 < Mike1> Aard: amavisd..
17:51 < Aard> Mike1: to me it looks like an interface to external virus scanners
17:51 < esden> hi Mike1 
17:51 < daja77> www.openantivirus.org iirc
17:52 < Aard> hm. 'What we currently have is a set of toys to play with - nothing we would consider using in a production environment'
17:52 < Aard> I don't think so...
17:54 < fake> c
17:55 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
18:01 < esden> hi blindcoder !
18:02 < Mike1> Welcome blindy!
18:03 < blindcoder> hi u 2 :)
18:03 * blindcoder on phone
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18:04 < esden> blindcoder: is like a woman ... he is phoning all the time ;-)
18:05 < blindcoder> esden: it's my fscking job *kick*
18:05 < esden> *argl* *autsch*
18:06 < Aard> blindcoder: being like a woman? ;)
18:06 < blindcoder> Aard: telephoning
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18:07 < blindcoder> it adds up to the same :)
18:14 < fake> atusch
18:14 < fake> <- kloeten mit kaffee verbrannt hat
18:14 < fake> *wedel*
18:15 < blindcoder> *LOL*
18:15 < esden> *ROFL* well done fake ... it is worth a darvin award ;-)
18:15 < esden> you removed your dna from the reproduction pool ;-)
18:15 < fake> natural selection and survival of the strongest..
18:16 < esden> ok ... now I bought a bayblade against my will >_<
18:16 < fake> i'd never made it through the reproduction cycle, anyways
18:16 < esden> *grr*
18:17 < esden> fake: are you _so_ bad in bed?
18:17 < esden> *fg*
18:17 < fake> esden: just lazy ;)
18:18 < esden> but there are also women in the world that would work for you ... do not worry
18:22 < fake> esden: if proper motivated, on can always overcome oneself
18:23 < fake> s,on,one,
18:23 < esden> yes ... but to find the right motivation is difficult
18:24 < fake> that's her job, not mine, and she gets a reward for her efforts, so i am only partly integrated there
18:25 < esden> I think that is a correct thesis
18:26 < fake> err... thanks ? ;)
18:37 < Aard> ARGH.
18:51 < esden> hmm ... I ask myself why rolla was unable to boot my alpha iso ... it is working here ... o_O
18:52 < esden> strange
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19:19 < s1x> hi all
19:19 < s1x> what kind of packaging system does rocklinux uses?
19:21 < tcr> ports tree alike
19:21 < fake> the binary packages or the source tree packages?
19:22 < rxr> re
19:22 < s1x> how do i get a package?
19:22 < tcr> hey rxr
19:22 * rxr still at work - how is LT going ?
19:22 < Mike1> welcome back rxr
19:22 < s1x> is it like: apt-get somepackage ?
19:22 < tcr> s1x: ./scripts/download -package $the_package_you_want
19:22 < s1x> something like that?
19:23 < tcr> ./scripts/Download actually
19:23 < s1x> tcr: is this after or before i install drock
19:23 < fake> s1x: if you have a binary distribution, the binary package files are on the cd
19:23 < esden> .oO(still the drock confusion?)
19:23 < fake> and are called .gem
19:23 < rxr> esden: nope -maybe a dRock-2.0.0-beta6 ...
19:24 * fake is very grateful for the minimal target in the current snap
19:24 < fake> btw
19:24 < s1x> fake: and if i want to update them after the system is installed, is there a command to do that?
19:24 < tcr> s1x: Either if you want to start a build from scratch, or if you wanna update packages
19:24 < esden> rxr: hmm ... hope so
19:24 < rxr> six which dRock version do you use there ?
19:25 < s1x> i haven't installed it yet, i want to know what should i expect from that distro
19:25 < s1x> i've downloaded by mistake rock-2 beta 4
19:25 < daja77> cu later
19:25 < tcr> have phun daja77
19:25 < s1x> i think drock is more dedicated for me
19:25 < rxr> there normal ROCK Linux way is to update using the package repository collection (like the BSD ports)
19:26 < s1x> ok and how do i use that?
19:26 < rxr> either a single package via Download -pkg $name ; Build-Pkg $name - or Update-System which updates all installed packages new versions are available ...
19:27 < tcr> s1x: Even though the guide is quite a bit dated, most things does still apply. You should read it anyway, and I think it'll answer many questions :)
19:27 < s1x> rock or drock guide?
19:27 < rxr> a binary update service is in test (for dRock)
19:28 < rxr> six there is only one ROCK Linux guide
19:28 < rxr> tcr: I'm just reworkign the guide to a full handbook - expect a first review of the guide next week ...
19:28 < s1x> <rxr> a binary update service is in test (for dRock) <---- what's that?
19:29 < tcr> rxr: Do you collaborate with pjp?
19:29 < rxr> dROck -> Desktop ROCK Linux (the desktop subditribution / target of ROCK)
19:29 < s1x> do i need to download all the 3 cds to get a basic install with Xfree?
19:29 < rxr> tcr: I want to have a full book - maybe printed by O'Reily later
19:29 < rxr> so I asked him whether I can start with his guide, and he said yes - he has no time for it anyway ..
19:30 < esden> ok ... nice ... I am able to boot from the rocklinux iso for alpha architecture from the last linuxtag ... 
19:30 < rxr> it is already in a SVN repository since this morning
19:30 < tcr> s1x: ROCK Linux is a distribution build system (could be also called a Meta-distribution), and as such package selection is available, of course
19:30 < esden> I am really asking myself why rolla had problems with it ...
19:30 < esden> very very very strange
19:30 < rxr> s1x: yes - you need to download all CDs ... sorry
19:30 < tcr> esden: rolla has _always_ problems with _anything_. He's just like me ;)))
19:30 < rxr> this will be fixed in -rc1 ...
19:31 < rxr> cu
19:31 < s1x> ok i have drock-2.0.0-beta4+fixes-x86_cd1.iso
19:31 < esden> tcr: hmm ... ok ...
19:31 < s1x> is it to outdated?
19:31 < tcr> rxr: away again?
19:31 < rxr> I'm still at work ...
19:32 < tcr> ah, ok. so cu later
19:33 < tcr> s1x: If you want a more specific system (and not just 3 cds filled with various software), you should build your own system
19:33 < s1x> i have drock-2.0.0-beta4+fixes-x86's 3 isos
19:33 < s1x> is it too outdated?
19:33 < tcr> already downloaded?
19:33 < s1x> yes
19:33 < esden> what do you mean with too outdated?
19:33 < tcr> No sure not
19:34 < s1x> there is already 2.00-beta6
19:34 < Mike1> s1x: latest is beta6
19:34 < s1x> i can just Update-System after i install it, right=?
19:34 < s1x> an it will be equal to beta6
19:35 < Mike1> not really..
19:35 < tcr> s1x: Well, you should install what you have. since this will serve as a good host system. Afterwards youc certainly want to  build your own optimized system
19:35 < s1x> why will it not be equal?
19:36 < s1x> tcr: what do you mean by an optimized system?
19:36 < s1x> tcr: everything compiled from sources?
19:36 < Mike1> s1x: Update-System will update package versions, but not the rock specific tweaks
19:37 < s1x> Mike1: so is beta6 that different from beta4? and when 2.0 comes out, do i have to dwl the 3 cds again?
19:37 < tcr> s1x: Yes optimized refers to binaries and to other config options; see also the website, e.g. http://www.rocklinux.org/about.html
19:37 < Mike1> s1x: they are a little different yes
19:37 < Mike1> s1x: you could download the .gem packages you want also though..
19:37 < Mike1> but this would be a manual task
19:37 < Mike1> for now..
19:38 < s1x> so when the 2.0 coems out i have to install it again?
19:38 < tcr> s1x: no you won't ever need to download all 3cds again, but only exactly what you want
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19:38 < tcr> s1x: You don't really have to install it again
19:38 < esden> s1x: if you only want to take a look at rock you can use the beta4 ... and you can build your own target on it, and if you decide to use it for production you can reinstall the system with your own build target that is optimized and configured for your needs
19:38 < tcr> Actually it'd be a brainfuck thing doing so
19:39 * Mike1 has a headache
19:40 < tcr> Just take a look at the guide and the other information on the website, then come back and ask more concrete questions
19:40 < s1x> esden: if i like it i won't delete it... i will stick to it... that's why i like those Download-package thingys
19:40 < Mike1> tcr: the guide won't help for 2.x ..
19:40 < s1x> :)
19:40 < tcr> It'll still give a basic understanding
19:41 < Mike1> tcr: of concepts yes, but none of the build system is totally different as well as the install
19:41 < tcr> which is imho very important. ROCK is quite complex and maybe even complicated in various views
19:41 < esden> s1x: I run a system that was orginally a rock-1.5.13 or so ...
19:41 < Mike1> i would make reference of the rock guide to a rock newbie..
19:41 < esden> and I updated what I needed through the time
19:42 < esden> and it is now more or less a hybrid of all versions that I updated to
19:42 < esden> if you some day decide that you want a "clean" system again you will have to reinstall the box
19:42 < esden> but that is the same also with debian
19:42 < esden> and other systems that can be updated online
19:42 * tcr thinks s1x actually looks at the guide right now. :)
19:44 < s1x> lol
19:44 < s1x> i am
19:44 < s1x> :=
19:44 < esden> urgh ... the svn co takes time ... *sigh*
19:44 < s1x> :)
19:45 < s1x> you are always talking about "tailoring my own system", this has to do with what? compile options or packages installed?
19:46 < s1x> so installing a package is as simple as this: "./scripts/Download -package ruby && ./scripts/Build-Pkg ruby"
19:46 < tcr> s1x: Well, just get yourself clear about the terminus "Distribution Build Kit"
19:46 < esden> compile options, package options package selection ... also in the means what libc you want to use and stuff
19:47 < esden> s1x: ack
19:47 < esden> or if you have a .gem package : mine -i -R / ruby.gem
19:48 < s1x> i think i'll install it now
19:48 < esden> or if you have a .tar.bz package : cd / && tar xfvI ruby.tar.bz2
19:49 < s1x> well, i don't need tailored sys so i'll just stick drock-2-beta4
19:50 < esden> s1x: as you whish ;-)
19:50 < s1x> :)
19:50 < esden> you are free to decide ;-)
19:51 < s1x> i just like bleending edge distros with easy packaging systems that download the packages fro mthe net, not like slackware which i'm currently using
19:51 < s1x> and nothing compiles in it....
19:52 < s1x> is drock for me then?
19:55 < esden> s1x: I do not use drock target ... I use the generic ... but I think drock is ok for you ...
19:55 < s1x> ehehe
19:55 < s1x> i'm bugging you guys so much
19:55 < esden> it is ok
19:55 < s1x> but thank you for your time anyways :)))
19:55 < esden> np
19:58 < s1x> i will try it now :)
19:58 < s1x> brb
19:58 < s1x> (i hope)
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19:58 < tcr> s1x: Such a packaging system is actually planned, but only in drafts implemented
19:58 < tcr> Umpf
19:59 < esden> hmm ... it is working for me ...
20:01 * Mike1 eating
20:01 < esden> bon apetitt Mike1 
20:05 * tcr too: sausages and "nudelsalat"
20:23 -!- dennis [dennis@pD9EB70AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:29 < tcr> hi dennis
20:29 < dennis> hi tcr
20:32 < dennis> who will be at the linuxtag on saturday?
20:34 < tcr> daja, fake, freak and cliff are already there
20:34 < tcr> rxr will join either tomorrow or on sunday
20:35 < Aard> dennis: maybe I'll stay till saturday. found out that a friend lieves in karlsruhe ;)
20:35 < dennis> hehe
20:35 < dennis> just do a little crime the "verfassungsgericht" is there too, so maybe you can stay there for one night ;)
20:36 < Aard> dennis: I don't have this problem anzmore, I can stay with him
20:37 < dennis> ahh, ok
20:37 < Aard> fucking qwertz
20:38 < dennis> k, i will be there on saturday, seeya there, bye
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20:41 < owl> rehi
20:41 < Aard> re owl
20:43 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802A6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
20:43 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802053.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:43 < owl> hi Aard
20:44 < owl> taking the train is very, very, very funny sometimes *laughing ueber both ears*
20:46 < Mike1> owl: ?
20:53 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817FBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:53 < owl> Mike1: i was sitting in the train... then someone looking like a geek spoke to me and we started to talk a bit... somewhen he said "i'm from karlrsruhe" - /me 's comment "ah. LT is there" - he starred at me like i would have been an alien and started to laugh :ppppp
20:54 -!- link_ [~sascha@pop-ls-4-1-dialup-226.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux
20:54 < Mike1> owl: hehe
20:54 < Mike1> 0_o hi
20:55 < owl> hi link_
20:55 < link_> o_)
20:55 < link_> o_0
20:56 < link_> =/
20:56 < owl> ?_?
20:56 < Mike1> (*)(*)
20:57 < tcr> owl: aren't you an alien?
20:57 < owl> tcr: no. i'm not even look half as shocking as you do
20:57 < tcr> what does that have to do with how one look?
20:57 < link_> live sucks ( i cant do sports, because i broke a rip )
20:57 < tcr> looks
20:58 < owl> tcr: alien look i mean
20:58 < link_> when i can't do sports i get sad and all live sucks ..
20:58 < Mike1> link_: how did you injure urself?
20:58 < owl> link_: you're zero?
20:58 < link_> owl: yes
20:58 < Mike1> owl: no, he is zer0_o
20:58 < Mike1> :)
20:58 < link_> Mike1: i hmm how can i explain.. i get babel.altavista.com ,)
20:59 < tcr> owl: Maybe you're a sort of alien than can take on every figure it wants
20:59 < Mike1> link_: ok
21:01 < owl> tcr: yes! dammit! you have "durchschaut" me!
21:03 < tcr> Honestly, that isn't very difficult. ;)
21:04 < owl> *sniff*
21:04 < owl> :p
21:04 < tcr> Don't pretend to be whiny! You're the kind of alien that is incaple of it
21:05 < owl> incaple???
21:05 < tcr> incapable
21:06 < tcr> surprise, surprise
21:07 < owl> hm.
21:08 < Mike1> hehe tcr are you capable  or incapable?
21:09 < tcr> depends on what I should be in/capable of
21:09 < Mike1> tcr: do you know what "capable" means in spanish?
21:09 < tcr> "I'm looking crappy" ?
21:09 < Mike1> nope
21:10 < Mike1> capar = castrate
21:10 < Mike1> guess what capable means
21:10 < tcr> hah
21:12 < rxr> re
21:12 < Mike1> hi Ren
21:13 < owl> hi rxr
21:15 < rxr> hi owl Mike1 tcr and everyone ..
21:15 < rxr> daja77: arround ?
21:15 -!- s1x [~sada@195.22.25.92] has joined #rocklinux
21:15 < s1x> argh
21:15 < owl> hi s1x
21:15 < s1x> hi :)
21:15 < s1x> when i boot from the CD and press <enter>
21:16 < s1x> it says it can't mount devfs and kernel panics saying that i should pass the init= command
21:16 < s1x> what should i do?
21:16 < s1x> on drock 2 bet4+fixed
21:17 < rxr> s1x: when did you download this image ? weeks ago?
21:17 < s1x> yes
21:17 < s1x> plz don't say it's broken....
21:17 < s1x> it will make me cry alot :P
21:17 < s1x> is it?
21:18 < rxr> s1x: yes - sorry - but it was fixed some hours after it got released ...
21:18 < rxr> but you can easily fix it !
21:18 < s1x> i can?
21:18 < s1x> how?
21:18 < rxr> do you have the images arround and i-net on that box ?
21:18 < s1x> i have the images here
21:18 < s1x> yes
21:18 < rxr> and a linux box ?
21:18 < rxr> and rsync =
21:18 < s1x> yes i'm on a linux box
21:18 < rxr> err = should have been yet another ?
21:19 < s1x> i have rsync also
21:19 < rxr> ok - moment
21:19 < s1x> now what?
21:19 < s1x> thx :)
21:19 < Mike1> rxr: the beta4 images where the ones that had linuxrc messed up i think
21:19 < Mike1> you had made a fix for me remeber?
21:19 < Mike1> remember*
21:19 < rxr> jups - mom just cut'n pasting the rsync command ...
21:20 < Mike1> rxr: ah gut :)
21:20 < rxr> mom - phone rings ...
21:20 < s1x> rxr: will i have beta6 after that?
21:22 < Aard> worked long enough...bbl.
21:23 < rxr> hm - shuold be
21:23 < rxr> rsync -avP --stats rsync://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/public/ftp/drock/unstable/2.0.0-beta4+fixes/desktop/drock-2.0.0-beta4+fixes-x86_cd1.iso <path-to-download>/drock-2.0.0-beta4+fixes-x86_cd1.iso
21:24 < Mike1> rxr: where <path-to-download> = ??
21:24 < rxr> ^- s1x for you
21:25 < s1x> what?
21:25 < rxr> Mike1: to the downloaded file ...
21:25 < s1x> ah
21:25 < Mike1> path :)
21:25 < s1x> just that file?
21:25 < Mike1> rxr: somehow i read patch... damn trick eyes
21:25 < s1x> it will overwrite the file?
21:25 < Mike1> s1x: it will patch it
21:26 < rxr> s1x: nope it will only sync the few blocks that changed in the multi megabyte file ...
21:26 < s1x> coool
21:26 < rxr> s1x: it should be really fast - and show "virtual" transfer rates of some megabytes/s
21:26 < blindcoder> hi all *yawns*
21:27 < rxr> only a handfull of blocks changed in the iso ...
21:27 < s1x> hi
21:27 * Mike1 yawns back
21:27 < s1x> nice tol
21:27 < s1x> tool
21:27 < rxr> s1x: of course it only works when rsync is available on the server-side - or e.g. via some ssh tunnel
21:28 < s1x> it's so quick
21:28 < s1x> almost finished
21:28 < s1x> done, hihi yupiiii
21:28 < s1x> do i need to that on other images?=
21:28 < rxr> sorry that you got the damaged iso only lying on the server for some hours ...
21:28 < s1x> lol
21:28 < rxr> s1x: nope - only on the fist CD ...
21:29 < s1x> no problem at all,  thank you for the support
21:29 < s1x> ok :)
21:31 < tcr> Gn8 all
21:31 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA937.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.")
21:32 < esden> *sigh* I really do not want to do all the work /me and holyolli have done on the alpha port once more ... :-( ... 
21:32 * -> esden is pretty unmotivated *grummel*
21:32 < rxr> esden: what is the big problem on that port ?
21:32 < blindcoder> why again?
21:33 < owl> esden: huh?
21:33 < netrunner> esden: you'd better do some work on your books today :P
21:33 < esden> I have to transfer all the patches ... and all the configuration options ... and things that I do not know of from 1.5/1.6 tree to the 2.0 tree
21:33 < esden> netrunner: :P
21:34 < esden> and the bootdisk stuff will be a real problem
21:34 < esden> because on intel these are images "copied" to the iso
21:35 < esden> on alpha you have to have all the content of a bootdisk in the / of the iso
21:35 < esden> I currently really do not know how to do that with the current structures of rocklinux
21:35 < blindcoder> okay, I|ll go to bed
21:35 < blindcoder> brain fart
21:35 < blindcoder> okay, I'll go to bed
21:35 < esden> but that may be caused by my dumbness
21:35 < blindcoder> good night everyone!
21:36 < esden> good night blindcoder 
21:36 < owl> gn8 blindcoder
21:36 < esden> another preblem will be dietlibc
21:37 < esden> it is needed for our bootdiscs .. but I really do not think that it will work flawlessly on alpha arch
21:37 < esden> I see a big hill of work in front of me to get the alpha port running :-(
21:38 < esden> ok ... I think I have weeped enough now ;-)
21:38 < s1x> i'm gonna try it again guys, wish me good luck :P
21:39 < s1x> :) bye
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21:39 < esden> hehe ... noone is commenting my monologue *lough*
21:39 < rxr> esden: no problem
21:40 < esden> rxr: really?
21:40 < esden> you think so?
21:40 < rxr> esden: the bootstuff for powerpc also need to be in a directory of the CD - and even needs to be specially blessed.
21:40 < rxr> take a look into the powerpc stuff - just easy just straight forward
21:40 < rxr> (IMHO) ...
21:41 < rxr> would be nice to have Alpha ready in 2.0.x ;-)
21:41 < rxr> I'll further improbe PowerPC ans SPARC
21:41 < esden> ok ... I will take a look
21:42 < esden> the boot iso needs also a special bless done by cdboot or how the tool is called ... to be bootable
21:42 < esden> but when you have already done the "template" for that it is veeeeery good ;-)
21:45 < rxr> in 2.1 we need to seperate the boot-disk creation code into architecture/$arch/bootcode or so - so non-bootdisk targets (e.g. router, live) can reuse it easier ...
21:45 < esden> rxr: full ack
21:50 < esden> -> Building tools.cross/lib/fl_wrapper.so.
21:50 < esden> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-unknown-linux-gnu/3.2.1/../../../../alpha-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /tmp/ccjplPNO.o: gp-relative relocation against dynamic symbol orig_open
21:50 < esden> ...
21:51 < esden> and another hundred lines of that
21:51 < esden> on alpha ... 
21:51 < esden> interesting
21:51 < esden> is it a glibc problem? can it be?
21:54 < rxr> hm
21:55 < esden> I switched from flistwrapper to find ... as a quick fix for now
22:04 < rxr> esden: I started to convert the ROCK guide into a full ROCK Linux handbook.
22:08 < esden> rxr: very nice
22:08 < esden> == 21:59:51 =[0]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-rc1]. <- on natalie ;-)
22:09 < esden> I am very eager to see how much will compile
22:09 < Aard> oh, my most-loved-chinese-asshole got a new ip :(
22:09 -!- ascii [~ascii@198.68.199.152] has joined #rocklinux
22:09 < Mike1> Aard: ?
22:09 < Aard> Mike1: spam. viagra. 100 mails.
22:10 < esden> I really would like to update the very outdated rock 1.5.16 on natalie
22:10 < esden> Aard: poor boy ...
22:10 < esden> Aard: drive to china and find the bastard !
22:10 < Aard> esden: last night I got ~1000 mails, tomorrow ~800 from 3 ips
22:10 < owl> hi ascii-art
22:11 < ascii> sup
22:11 < esden> hi ascii 
22:11 < ascii> lo
22:12 < Mike1> esden: is that 1.5.16 the oldes rock system you have running?
22:13 < esden> hmm mom
22:14 < esden> oups it is even older
22:14 < esden> root@natalie:~# cat /etc/VERSION
22:14 < esden> ROCK Linux 1.5.14_2002-05-18_19h56 alpha (native, 2002/06/08)
22:14 < esden> root@natalie:~#
22:14 < mistik1> la di da
22:15 < mistik1> what's up guys
22:15 < owl> i hate this life and want to die - cuz i'm forced to use this fscking windows! GNAAARF!!!! someone has drugs for me?
22:15 < Mike1> server:~$ cat /etc/VERSION
22:15 < Mike1> ROCK Linux 1.3.11-DEV i686 (native, 2000/09/23)
22:15 < Mike1> server:~$
22:15 < esden> Mike1: urgh
22:15 * -> esden is asking himself if anyone is running older rock versions
22:15 < Mike1> mistik1: hi
22:15 < esden> 1.2 or so
22:15 < Mike1> 1.2 i had one running it, burt the hd died..
22:16 < Mike1> owl: sorry no drugs
22:17 < esden> owl: I can offer you my faith and that I will pray for you
22:17 < mistik1> owl: putty and a near by shell should suffice
22:17 < Aard> owl: http://bwachter.lart.info/public/fundsache.jpeg
22:17 < esden> Aard: nice
22:18 < esden> now I know where that stuff landed ... I was asking myself where I lost it for some time
22:18 < owl> mistik1: my dad killed windows... and he forces me to repair it *crying*
22:18 < esden> == 07/10/03 22:20:43 =[0]=> Finished building package dietlibc. <- weeeeee it builds it builds on alpha ... *jump* around
22:18 < Aard> owl: simply kill your dad -> problem solved ;)
22:19 < owl> Aard: thx :p
22:19 * owl kicks Aard :ppp
22:19 < Mike1> owl: i have a stronger drung for you
22:19 < esden> owl is a mutant ... she has three tongues ;-)
22:19 < Mike1> owl: http://www.linuxbios.org/
22:19 < esden> sorry owl
22:20 < owl> Mike1: nah.
22:20 * Mike1 .o0( mmm... three tongues..., damn i need to filter my imagination)
22:20 < mistik1> esden: where on earth can I find a socket based alpha board these days
22:20 < esden> I think lindows is even harder drug
22:20 < mistik1> I have five CPUs with no boards for em
22:20 < mistik1> I even have some non parity ram
22:20 < owl> O_o
22:20 < esden> mistik1: ebay?
22:20 < Mike1> esden: lindows is a blasphemy not a drug.
22:21 < Aard> esden: no, you need drugs to use lindows..
22:21 < esden> Mike1: ok ... acceptable
22:21 < esden> Aard: want to port dietlinux to alpha arch? ;-)
22:21 < Mike1> esden: :)
22:21 < mistik1> esden: not much luck there, most have cpu in em or are slotted boards
22:21 < Aard> esden: jup.
22:21 < esden> Aard: use rock *fg*
22:21 < Aard> esden: no. ;)
22:22 < esden> :P
22:22 < esden> mistik1: no idea then
22:22 < esden> mistik1: what kind of cpu's are they?
22:22 < Aard> my alpha is really slow -> _really_ small system
22:22 < mistik1> 533Mhz each
22:22 < esden> my alpha is a pws433
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22:23 < mistik1> I've not had an alpha box in to years
22:23 < rxr> esden: isn't aplha supported by dietlibc ?
22:23 < esden> mistik1: is it a EV56 ?
22:23 < Aard> xl233 (arc only)
22:23 < mistik1> esden: yes, hence socket
22:23 < esden> rxr: it is ... because it compiled some minutes ago without any problems ;-)
22:23 < Aard> rxr: alpha is supported, but only for static linking
22:24 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux
22:24 < Mike1> Ale.
22:24 < mnemoc> Mike
22:24 < Mike1> ;-)
22:25 < esden> mistik1: i think that means I can not insert one of them in my alpha :-(
22:27 < rxr> hi mnemoc
22:28 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:28 < mnemoc> nobody want to vote for perl/db41 :'(
22:29 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have some target where you use it ?
22:30 < mnemoc> yes, but not yet stable...
22:30 < rxr> move your perl modification into it - and modify the perl configuration in this target only (for now ...)
22:31 < mnemoc> i did that already :(
22:31 < rxr> ok - what target is this?
22:32 < mnemoc> i have a minimal based on runit, and a server based on vserver/ldap/runit
22:33 < mnemoc> but misc/initstyle has to be discussed
22:33 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009253.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:34 < mnemoc> btw, i'm reaaaaly more selective in my minimal ;)
22:34 < rxr> jups - our minimal needs to shrik! I was also astonished how fat it is ...
22:35 < Mike1> rxr: i will provide patches for it sometime in the week
22:37 < dreamind> Hi
22:37 < mnemoc> hi dreamind
22:37 < dreamind> Hi mnemoc :)
22:43 * -> esden compiling minimal at the moment ...
22:45 < Mike1> esden: for the alpha?
22:57 < esden> Mike1: yes
23:00 < dreamind> nite
23:00 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009253.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x")
23:02 < Mike1> esden: _PLEASE_ keep me updated on how that build moves ;-)
23:02 < esden> 0-gcc3.err
23:02 < Mike1> esden: you know minimal is one of my rock tasks
23:03 < esden> do you want to see the error?
23:03 < Mike1> esden: also untill now i think only you and i have tried to build it on non x86 archs
23:03 < Mike1> esden: please
23:03 < Mike1> query of course
23:03 < esden> query
23:05 < link_> Mike1: when we practiced fighting in train, i got a heel from my colleague in my rips..
23:05 < owl> bye...
23:06 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has left #rocklinux ("life is so wonderful")
23:06 < link_> bye owl
23:06 < link_>  owl (~owl@aszlig.net) has left #rocklinux ("life is so wonderful")
23:06 < link_> is she sick ?
23:06 < link_> ;)
23:06 < Mike1> link_: i don't know... she is an alien
23:06 < Mike1> :)
23:06 < link_>  ok ;)
23:06 < Mike1> link_: so in other words you got ur ass kicked at the train :)
23:07 < link_> yeah...
23:07 < Mike1> poor link_ :)
23:07 < Mike1> i mean  :(
23:07 < link_> doesn't matter if i get back i'll kill him...
23:07 < mnemoc> heheh
23:07 < link_> =P
23:07 < link_> no, it was my fault..
23:08 < Mike1> link_: you certainly have been haging out with mnemoc
23:08 < link_> there is no need to anger
23:08 * Mike1 hides
23:08 < link_> mnemoc and i always have good fights, hows the blue eye mnemoc ?
23:09 < mnemoc> mmmm...
23:10 < Mike1> lol
23:10 < Mike1> mnemoc: how is the new computer doing?
23:12 < rxr> cool Pjotr thanked my personal in his guide - damn that I need to remove the sentence now - since thanking myself in the ROCK Linux handbook would be a bit strange ... :-(
23:13 < Mike1> rxr: yes.
23:13 < Mike1> rxr: but add a Special Thanks section in the end
23:13 < mnemoc> Mike1: i reduced to 46% the build time ;)
23:13 < Mike1> and something like " First off all i wanna thank me for fighting againsrt lazyness for doing paperwork" :)
23:14 < Mike1> mnemoc: wow quite cool
23:14 < mnemoc> groove ;)
23:15 < rxr> Mike1: I just left the whole as "In the original \rockg Pjotr Prins additional thanked:" (or so)
23:15 < rxr> Mike1: is this a complaint that I should have done a handbook earlier ?
23:15 < Mike1> rxr:  yeah thats ok
23:16 < Mike1> rxr: no it isn't it was just an sample sentnce
23:16 < rxr> puh ...
23:16 < Mike1> a random sentence that came up to my mind
23:17 < Mike1> rxr: but i could turn it into a complain now that i think about it :P
23:17 < mnemoc> brb
23:19 < rxr> btw the rock handbook is already in svn
23:20 < rxr> schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook
23:20 < Mike1> rxr: nice
23:20 < rxr> and the gsmp mirror ...
23:20 < Mike1> rxr: take contributors?
23:20 < rxr> sure
23:20 < rxr> but be aware that I may get it to print to O'Reily or so ..
23:20 < rxr> and that it will change rapidly the next weeks ...
23:21 < rxr> Committed revision 11.
23:21 < Mike1> rxr: i'm volunteering to help, not be coo author or translate :)
23:30 < SMP> hey rockers
23:30 < Mike1> hi SMP welcome
23:30 < rxr> hi SMP
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23:40 < esden> hi SMP 
23:40 < esden> hmm ... 10 mins lag ... not bad >_<
23:58 < Mike1> hehe
23:59 < esden> ok ... gcc33 is compiling on alpha ...
23:59 < esden> in contrary to gcc3
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