--- Log opened Fri Jul 11 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Fri Jul 11 2003
00:00 < Mike1> esden: perfect
00:00 < Mike1> my advice was good then ?:)
00:00 < esden> yes ... but that will bring problems in chrooted stages ... that is sure ... :-(
00:00 < esden> but let us wait ... we will see what happens
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00:04 < s1x> hi again
00:04 < esden> re s1x ;-)
00:04 < esden> s1x: tell us a story ;-)
00:04 < esden> *gg*
00:04 < s1x> lool
00:04 < s1x> i get some error instaling lilo
00:04 < s1x> so i can't boot
00:05 < esden> what error?
00:05 < s1x> also i tried chroot'ing and running startx and it complains about /dev/pts0 or somethin
00:05 < s1x> the error... is strange, about raid or something...
00:05 < esden> please write it down and paste it
00:06 < esden> and if it still is not working please try grub
00:06 < s1x> i can chroot and try it now, can't i?
00:06 < esden> it is "more" standard in rock
00:06 < s1x> i can try grub
00:06 < esden> why?
00:06 < s1x> so i don't reboot it again
00:06 < s1x> i can do it from here
00:06 < esden> boot the install system mount the target filesystem and try it once more
00:07 < s1x> i don't know which program to run
00:07 < s1x> it's not stone
00:07 < s1x> or is it?
00:07 < esden> you have to have devfs in your current system 
00:07 < s1x> i just need the boot system
00:07 < esden> then you can also do the chroot on the system you are currently on
00:08 < esden> you can install grub using stone too
00:08 < s1x> which command to do that?
00:08 < esden> but you can do it by hand ... it is no problem at all
00:08 < s1x> stone --what?
00:08 < s1x> i can do it by hand
00:08 < rxr> just stone in the chroot ...
00:08 < esden> stone nothing ... only stone if I remember corretly
00:08 < s1x> w8 i don't have devfs
00:08 < rxr> I remember that some last version of lilo had some problems ..
00:08 < rxr> but I have not used lilo for years ....
00:08 * -> esden has not used lilo for months ...
00:09 < s1x> so i do i go to that menu which istalls the boot system?
00:09 < rxr> s1x: you do
00:09 < rxr>  - boot the CD
00:09 < s1x> i installed grub correctly on gentoo, so i won't have that many problems
00:09 < s1x> ok and then
00:09 < rxr> - mount your root (/) partition to /mnt/target (for example)
00:09 < rxr> chroot /mnt/target
00:09 < rxr> mount /dev
00:10 < rxr> and maybe mount /proc (to be sure all works as expected)
00:10 < s1x> eghheheh missed that one
00:10 < rxr> and then ston
00:10 < rxr> err stone I meant
00:10 < s1x> stone will remember where i am
00:10 < rxr> there you choose grub
00:10 < s1x> will know that the boot stuff is missing?
00:11 < rxr> boot stuff ? what do you mean ?
00:11 < s1x> the menu where i choose grub
00:11 < s1x> i tried running stone and it was asking me about the install path again
00:12 < rxr> when stone is run on the install disk it tries to install the system
00:12 < rxr> when it is run "inside a running system" it is the "system administration tool"
00:12 < s1x> oh ok
00:12 < s1x> then i just boot and run ston
00:12 < s1x> after chrooting
00:13 < rxr> jups
00:13 < s1x> ok i will try it now
00:13 < rxr> and mounting /dev and /proc
00:13 < rxr> is quite important ;-)
00:13 < s1x> and i'm using the XFRee configuration of my slackware system
00:13 < rxr> in the past the ROCK Linux scripts did that automatically
00:13 < s1x> there should be no problem should it?
00:14 < rxr> but now they do not do this anymore (to be honst I do not know why it got removed ...)
00:14 < s1x> i will remember that
00:14 < rxr> s1x: nope there shouldn't
00:14 < s1x> :)
00:14 < esden> rxr: reinsert it ???
00:14 < s1x> ok, nice
00:14 < rxr> when you see how I sometimes bootstrap SPARC or PowerPC systems
00:14 < s1x> brb guys, thx for the nice support
00:14 < rxr> you would think different about "how to install an Operatin System" ...
00:14 < esden> but chroot should mount that stuff ... I have at least the feeling that it happened some time ago I have done it ...
00:14 < rxr> esden: jups  - but ask cliff first
00:15 < rxr> he might have some reason to remove it ...
00:15 < esden> rxr: you have it easier to ask him when you are on LT ;-)
00:15 < rxr> nope chroot does not do this
00:15 < rxr> but in the past we had mounting /dev and /proc in the beginning of the /etc/profile
00:16 < rxr> esden: jups - otherwise the mail latency is quite too high at the moment ...
00:16 < esden> hmm ... can be ... I do not know how it happened
00:16 < s1x> ok brb
00:16 < esden> rxr: full ack
00:16 < esden> rxr: will linux24 build with gcc33?
00:16 < esden> have you tested it?
00:17 < s1x> i'm gonna try it now
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00:18 < rxr> esden: jups - for x86 yes
00:19 < rxr> there might be some corner cases (syntax errors) that are not in the x86 code-path and so fail for alpha
00:19 < rxr> but normally such multi-line strings and so are easily fixed
00:19 < esden> rxr: we will see ;-)
00:19 < esden> == 00:22:22 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21 2.0.0-rc1].
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00:20 < rxr> esden: the alpha is not that slow ;-) !
00:21 < rxr> quite average speed ...
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00:22 < esden> rxr: one can stand that speed ... the only thing that really sux is the disk space at the moment 
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00:28 < esden> AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH : make[2]: *** [kernel.o] Illegal instruction (core dumped)
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00:29 < esden> that sux ... that really sux ... I really am out of controle now ... give me anyone from the gcc development so I can smack him very very bad >_<
00:29 < rxr> oOoO
00:29 < esden> what are the lamers doing ...
00:30 < esden> coredumping gcc ... that is a no do ... a real no do ... and that in a compiler ... argh argh argh
00:31 < esden> rxr: tell me that they have a very good reason to do such shit
00:31 < rxr> maybe a miscompiled compiler ...
00:32 < rxr> what was the problem with gcc3.2.3 ?
00:32 < esden> it could not find the string.h ...
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00:34 < esden> rxr: do you want to see the full error message?
00:35 < rxr> hm - but that seems to be easier
00:35 < rxr> and gcc-3.2.3 should be more stable than the brand-new gcc33 - which I do not even tried to use for x86 yet ...
00:37 < esden> do you want to see the error ... perhups you know a cure ad hoc
00:37 < Mike1> n8 all
00:37 < rxr> well - sure paste it into a querry ...
00:37 < rxr> n8 Mike1
00:39 < rxr> final commit on rock-handbook for tonight ...
00:40 < esden> rxr: where can I get the handbook?
00:40 < esden> or is it closed?
00:43 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook/
00:43 < rxr> but it is under heavy reconstruction
00:43 < esden> kk
00:43 < rxr> I hope to have a first draft in an week or so
00:44 < rxr> or the gsmp SVN mirror ....
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01:02 < s1x> hi all
01:02 < rxr> hi s1x
01:02 < s1x> :) i have some new probs
01:03 < s1x> shared libs
01:03 < s1x> gnome is complaining about esd
01:03 < s1x> and blackbox about libc++
01:03 < s1x> they say it's missing
01:03 < s1x> what should i do?
01:04 < rxr> s1x: when you first run STONE where it extracted all the packages, you had a package selection, and you did some custom selections ?
01:05 < rxr> s1x: ?
01:06 < rxr> anyway the sort answer:
01:06 < rxr> run stone in your system
01:06 < rxr> select package installation (or whatever it is call) at the bottum ot the menu
01:06 < rxr> select "extra"
01:07 < rxr> select "install unresolved dependencies" (or whatever it is called exaclty)
01:07 < rxr> and select install
01:07 < rxr> s.th. like this ...
01:09 < s1x> sry i was away
01:09 < s1x> ok
01:09 < s1x> so "extra">"install unresolved dependencies"
01:09 < rxr> you should have selected the "install unresolved dependencies" options in the inital boot-cd STONE run ...
01:10 < rxr> sorry for the lack of docu - I'm currently writting a ROCK Linux handbook - expect a first draft with arround 80 pages next week ...
01:10 < rxr> s1x: jups s.th. like that ...
01:12 < s1x> :)
01:13 < s1x> ok i will reboot and try it now :)
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02:11 < rxr> re
02:26 * rxr printed new cards for the LT tomorrow ;-)
02:39 < rxr> cu - n8
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03:00 < esden> hmm ... xgcc is really hating me ...
03:00 < esden> it is not enough that it bitches around on a dietlibc system ... now it bitches also on alpha ... >_<
03:00 < esden> I hate that >_<
03:07 < rxr> ah hi esden
03:07 < rxr> have fun and success
03:07 * rxr in bed now - cu
03:18 < esden> dumb stuff ... now it compiles ...
03:19 < esden> I have done nothing ... really nothing ... and it compiles now ...
03:19 < esden> o_O
03:19 < esden> what happened? o_O
03:23 < esden> I hate such unpredictable stuff ... that drives me insane ... 
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03:43 < s1x> hi all
03:43 < s1x> :)
03:43 < s1x> drock on the house :)))
03:44 < s1x> i had 2nd CD with errors or something
03:44 < s1x> i mounted the iso and installed gcc and esound and all went fine
03:44 < s1x> tell me somthing, how do i put sound on this thing?
03:46 < s1x> hello there
03:47 < s1x> yooo
03:48 < s1x> how do i install a package from the net?
03:48 < s1x> where is the Download script?
03:55 < s1x> h-e-l-l-o?
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03:59 < esden> hi s1x 
03:59 < s1x> hi
03:59 < s1x> :)
03:59 < esden> sorry ... I was on another desktop ;-)
03:59 < s1x> np
04:00 < s1x> where is the Download script now?
04:00 < s1x> i've just installed drock-2 beta4
04:00 < esden> cd /usr/source/rock-src 
04:00 < esden> or something like that
04:00 < esden> and then ./scripts/Download
04:01 < esden> and it is booting?
04:01 < esden> ;-)
04:01 < s1x> yes, i put lilo working
04:01 * -> esden still compiling minimal target on alpha ... I am very eager to know how far it will come ... *sigh*
04:01 < s1x> ehehe
04:01 < esden> congrats!
04:01 < s1x> making a port of drock?
04:02 < s1x> of rock to alpha?
04:02 < esden> no not drock ... of rocklinux in all
04:02 < esden> yes rock on alpha
04:02 < esden> ;-)
04:02 < s1x> yes, i meant rock
04:02 < esden> hehe 
04:02 < esden> np
04:02 < s1x> cool
04:02 < s1x> ehehe
04:02 < esden> I am the maintainer of that port ... so I have to do that
04:03 < esden> but my hardware was not able to do anything for some time
04:03 < esden> because I missed a harddisk in my alpha
04:03 < esden> and a cdrom drive to test installation cd's
04:03 < s1x> :)
04:03 < esden> now I have a small disk in it ... but it is better then nothing
04:03 < s1x> ehehe
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04:04 * -> esden advertising for hardware donations *beg*
04:04 < s1x> ehehe
04:04 < esden> *big_evil_grin* i mean
04:04 < s1x> eheheh
04:05 < s1x> cool, nvidia drivers :)
04:05 < esden> sure why not? ;-)
04:06 < s1x> not hard to install but users are always lazy ;)
04:06 < esden> sure ... that is why we do all that work ... 
04:06 < s1x> now i just need to know how to maintain the system
04:07 < esden> I really do not want to say anyone to do his own alpha port ... or port on dietlibc
04:07 < esden> most people would kill me for that ... that is why I put my effort in rock ;-)
04:07 < s1x> lol
04:07 < s1x> u r trying to port dietlibc?
04:08 < esden> there is a dietlibc target in rocklinux
04:08 < esden> it is not yet full functional ... but I hope that will change this summer
04:09 < esden> my todo list for this summer is _WAAAAY_ too long 
04:09 < s1x> loool
04:09 < s1x> that is a somewhat good sign :P
04:09 < esden> in how far?
04:10 < s1x> depends if you try to do the list at all
04:10 < s1x> :)
04:10 < esden> ohh ... I always try to get my todo list shrink ... but when one point disappears ten other appear ...
04:10 < esden> that sux
04:11 < s1x> lol
04:11 * -> esden has too many ideas ... 
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04:12 < s1x> i have some too, but i'm still young and have few knowledge...
04:12 * -> esden has ideas for stuff to do/create for other 20 people ... if it is enough ... *lol*
04:12 < s1x> loool
04:12 < esden> s1x: how old are you?
04:12 < s1x> 21
04:12 < esden> s1x: using rock will force you to learn a lot ;-)
04:13 < s1x> lol
04:13 < s1x> can i Download -books ?
04:13 < esden> s1x: that is not really young ... I am only two years older
04:13 < esden> books?
04:13 < esden> hehe
04:13 < esden> manpages and howto's are your friend ... 
04:13 < s1x> are u 23?
04:13 < esden> and also #rocklinux ;-)
04:13 < s1x> lol
04:14 < esden> yes I am 23
04:14 < s1x> eheh
04:14 < s1x> i've never seen an alpha server, or a sun
04:14 < s1x> i live in an island
04:14 < esden> and I am still too stupid for most things I do ... *headshake*
04:14 < s1x> in the middle of the atlantic
04:14 < s1x> lol
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04:14 < esden> coool a rocker in island
04:15 < esden> I should create a world map with rock users/hackers
04:15 < esden> the way debian has it
04:15 < s1x> lol
04:15 < s1x> never seen diabian's but it would be nice though :)
04:15 < mnemoc> sure :)
04:15 < esden> s1x: you have not missed much ;-)
04:16 < mnemoc> i can send you a flag
04:16 < s1x> lol
04:16 < s1x> where do u live? germany?
04:16 < s1x> nice, i'm in the optimizations section
04:16 < esden> I live in germany ... although I am not german ;-)
04:17 < s1x> where r u from?
04:17 < esden> s1x: Poland
04:18 < s1x> cool :) that's far
04:18 < esden> s1x: if you manage it to get to 20C3 or LinuxTag or so ... you will see a lot of strange hardware ...
04:18 < mnemoc> s1x: where do YOU live?
04:18 < s1x> portugal, azores
04:18 < s1x> where will be linuxtag?
04:19 < esden> both things are in germany
04:19 < s1x> baaah
04:19 < s1x> i can only wish :P
04:19 < esden> poland is a neighbour of germany ... OFYI ;-)
04:19 < s1x> eheh
04:19 < s1x> and u mnemoc, where r u from?
04:19 < mnemoc> we need a developer in africa
04:19 < mnemoc> chile ;)
04:19 < esden> s1x: get a job my friend ;-)
04:19 < s1x> loool
04:20 < s1x> naah i'm studying, the thing i like most doing
04:20 < s1x> mnemoc: u r from chile, cool
04:20 < esden> s1x: what are you studying?
04:20 < s1x> is there a developer in australia? :)
04:20 < s1x> esden: computation ciences
04:20 < esden> not that I know of
04:21 < esden> s1x: the same I do ... good basis for a rock developer *eg*
04:22 < s1x> i want to update my system packages to amd optimised ones, also there are some broken dependencies, in the "This is a cross-build between architectures" should i select it or not?
04:22 < s1x> esden: are you working and studing?
04:22 < esden> (argh the new mr. vain song sux!!!)
04:23 < s1x> what? :)
04:23 < esden> s1x: no I am only studying ... but I do not have so far to the meetings I want to visit ;-)
04:24 < s1x> :)
04:24 * -> esden "watching" viva ... and I hear that song at the moment
04:25 < esden> so I can pay the trips somehow from my food money I get from my parents ;-)
04:25 < s1x> eheheh, nice
04:25 < s1x> that's the good thing of studiyng abroad
04:26 * s1x is ./scripts/Update-System 
04:27 < esden> good luck s1x ;-)
04:27 < esden> I do not know if anyone tested it in the last time ;-)
04:28 < s1x> aaaaaargh :P
04:28 < esden> but I have full faith in cliffords code ... it is messy, hard to read, and you find very nice tweaks in it ... but it is working in 99 cases of 100 ;-)
04:29 < s1x> lol
04:29 < s1x> is it normal for this to happen? "== 07/11/03 02:27:39 =[9]=> Aborted building package k3b."
04:29 < esden> OFYI clifford is our master/guru
04:29 < s1x> :)))
04:29 < esden> he started all this
04:30 < s1x> how long ago?
04:30 < esden> hmm ... i do not even know what k3b is ...
04:30 < esden> around 1998
04:30 < s1x> well the scrip didn't install one sinngl pkg, it shows the same msg on each and evry1 of them
04:31 < s1x> ok this is why "-> Ignoring update mode sice package isn't installed already."
04:31 < s1x> :P
04:31 < s1x> "!> Did you run ./scripts/Download for this package?" should i download the packages first?
04:32 < esden> ack
04:32 < s1x> lol
04:34 < esden> *sigh* ... the kernel really could finish compiling ... 
04:34 < s1x> so i how do i download the packages i currently have installed?
04:35 < esden> you can run ./scripts/Download -all
04:35 < s1x> all?
04:35 < esden> then you are sure you have all packets you have installed
04:36 < s1x> argh, that means tons of stuff i dont need, right?
04:36 < s1x> lol
04:36 < esden> but when you want to update your system to the newest version
04:36 < esden> you have to get the newest rocklinux source tree
04:36 < s1x> i presume that Update-src doesn't do the trick also
04:36 < s1x> how do i do that?
04:37 < esden> svn co http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/
04:37 < esden> then : cd rock-trunk
04:37 < esden> and run ./scripts/Download -all ... that will take "some" time ... 
04:38 < esden> and after that you can update your system
04:38 < s1x> omg
04:38 < s1x> :D
04:38 < s1x> what Update-Src does?
04:38 < esden> I do not know how you can only download only the packages that are newer then the ones you have on the system
04:38 < esden> I think that it is impossible in the current rock 
04:38 < s1x> :( that's a pitty
04:38 < esden> noone has written the code for that
04:39 < esden> you can do that ;-)
04:39 < esden> it is not difficult 
04:39 < s1x> :) maybe i could :)
04:39 < esden> when I update stuff on my box I know which packages I want to update and then it is no problem ...
04:40 < esden> I only download what I need
04:40 < s1x> :)
04:40 < s1x> how do i put the sound wokring here?
04:40 < esden> but in your case it is bit different
04:40 < esden> you start alsa stuff
04:40 < s1x> yes
04:40 < esden> I think there is a stone module for that
04:41 < esden> but if not you will have to do it by hand
04:41 < esden> it is everything still a bit beta ... as the name says
04:41 < esden> so you still have to do some things by hand
04:41 < esden> and tweak a bit
04:42 < s1x> i'm trying Download -required
04:42 < esden> on my laptop sound was working from the beginning
04:42 < esden> s1x: can you do ls /dev/sound/ please?
04:42 < esden> is there a file called dsp ?
04:42 < s1x> bash-2.05b$ ls /dev/sound/
04:42 < s1x> sequencer  sequencer2
04:42 < s1x> nop
04:43 < s1x> i usually compile the kernel with support for my sound card (sblaster live)
04:43 < esden> so recompile your kernel
04:43 < s1x> argh, i hate doing that... :P
04:43 < esden> the kernel that comes with rock is too big anyways
04:43 < s1x> i'm felling so lazy right now
04:44 < s1x> maybe it's because it's 3 am
04:44 < esden> it is 4:44 here
04:44 < s1x> omg, and what r u doing wake up?
04:44 < esden> so do not say it is late ;-)
04:44 < s1x> looool
04:44 < esden> s1x: waiting for the results of the alpha build ...
04:45 < esden> chatting with you
04:45 < s1x> lol
04:45 < esden> and learning for exam on saturday
04:45 < s1x> what about?
04:45 < esden> Descrete Structures
04:45 < esden> and exactly about Probability Theory
04:45 < esden> that stuff sucks badly
04:45 < esden> I hate that
04:46 < s1x> baaah probability sux so bad
04:46 < s1x> what year of the course are you on?
04:47 < esden> I am in the 4th semester 
04:50 < esden> the course in probability takes only one semester ... but it is more than enough ;-)
04:53 < esden> ok ... but now I go to bed
04:53 < esden> good night everyone
04:56 < s1x> good night
04:56 < s1x> :)
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07:18 < blindcoder> moin
07:18 < mnemoc> moin bc
07:28 < Aard> i
07:31 * blindcoder getting breakfast. it's only half past seven >_<
07:40 * Aard getting something agaist mt headache :)
07:47 < blindcoder> hm... coffee
07:47 < blindcoder> (no joke)
07:50 < Aard> mh. no time. (off to lt in 10 minutes(
07:56 < blindcoder> I'm sure there will be coffee on LT :)
07:56 < mnemoc> lt=linuxtag? today?
07:57 < blindcoder> yes
07:58 < mnemoc> take pics :) lot of them
07:59 < blindcoder> I'm sure they will :)
08:01 < mnemoc> :)
08:02 < mnemoc> the hard part is to write what they decide :(
08:02 < blindcoder> yeah
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10:26 < owl> rehi
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10:51 < blindcoder> moin owl
10:52 < fake> mornin
10:52 < fake> *yawns*
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10:54 < blindcoder> moin fake
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10:54 < daja77> re
11:04 < rxr> hi daja77
11:04 < rxr> ow it lt?
11:05 < rxr> s/ow/how/
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11:05 < fake> hi Ge0rG
11:05 < fake> Ge0rG: u wanted coffee?
11:05 < daja77> hi rxr
11:05 < Ge0rG> fake: yeah, cool :)
11:05 < daja77> well I sold one pack of cds
11:06 < daja77> deElsasser is here :)
11:06 < daja77> and he greets you
11:06 < owl> coffee for me. too. please
11:07 < owl> hi daja77 , rxr , Ge0rG , fake
11:07 < daja77> huh you want coffee?
11:07 < fake> Ge0rG: it's a bit cold, but noice
11:07 < rxr> greetings back ;-)
11:07 < fake> Ge0rG: u have cup?
11:07 < owl> daja77: yes. i'm still drunken... and having a "kater".. and can't look out of my eyes. almost alsseep
11:08 < owl> or whatever.
11:08 < rxr> owl: YOU drunken ??? You once said you do not want to hurt your body with alc ....
11:09 < owl> rxr: once it was.. yes.. but now i'm more and more often trying to kill the fscking brain
11:09 < rxr> erhm  owl ????
11:09 < owl> rxr: hm?
11:10 < fake> there much more effective ways than alcohol
11:10 < fake> barbiturates, amphetamine, ...
11:10 < daja77> bullets ...
11:11 < rxr> owl: just that I'm confused and well .... - hm ...
11:11 < Aard> hi ;)
11:12 < fake> daja77: bullets are hard to use without a gun ;) and guns are hard to get...
11:12 < owl> ... but those things are not easy to get ..
11:12 < Ge0rG> fake: thanks :)
11:12 < fake> at least in germany
11:12 < fake> Ge0rG: cheers!
11:12 < owl> ack...
11:13 < owl> fake: enjoy the coffee.
11:13 < daja77> fake: pah you haven't even tried
11:13 < owl> rxr: *lol* sorry for confusing you
11:13 < fake> daja77: jep. i don't like guns. guns are for terrorists, you know *g*
11:13 < owl> daja77: but /me tried. problem: my parents hide the pistol from me *gnarf*
11:14 < daja77> fake: hehe yepp like ssh and linux
11:14 < fake> owl: you parents are armed for the case you have a bad day?
11:14 < fake> daja77: encryption is a weapon!
11:14 < daja77> *shrug* so what
11:15 < owl> fake: *lol* not for that
11:16 < owl> (and: not bad day. but bad and senseless life)
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11:25 * fake will reinstall his laptop now, cu later
11:26 < snyke> fake
11:28 < owl> fake: reinstall laptop? O_o
11:31 < daja77> ah have fun
11:41 * blindcoder back
11:41 < owl> hi blindy
11:41 < blindcoder> hi owly
11:43 < Aard> huhu blindcoder
11:43 < blindcoder> hi Aard
11:44 * daja77 waves to blindcoder 
11:47 < blindcoder> hi daja77
11:47 * blindcoder waves back
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12:03 < daja77> oh Freak, deb lost connection *ggg*
12:03 < owl> daja77: why are you so evil to our beloved friend Freak? *vbeg*
12:03 < daja77> nah not evil, I quite like him
12:04 < owl> quite like? O_o how this works?
12:04 < owl> aaaaaaaaeh... does this work?
12:04 < daja77> well I don't discuss distro matters with him
12:04 < owl> *lol*
12:09 < Aard> *g*
12:10 < esden> == 07/11/03 12:12:30 =[1]=> Finished building package util-linux. <-- ... hmm that is nice ... till now only linux2[45] and findutils have not built ...
12:10 < esden> that is very nice
12:10 < Aard> esden: against dietlibc?
12:10 < blindcoder> hi esden
12:10 < esden> no against glibc on alpha arch
12:11 < esden> hi blindcoder 
12:11 < Aard> ah, ok.
12:11 < esden> ok ... /me off for uni
12:12 < owl> hi && bye esden
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12:46 < daja77> hi Freak
12:49 < Freak> bye freak :)
12:49 < Freak> 13:30 keynote.
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13:15 < s1x> morning all
13:16 < owl> hi s1x
13:16 < s1x> after Download how do i install?
13:18 < daja77> you downloaded isos?
13:22 < s1x> a package
13:22 < s1x> ./scripts/Download
13:22 < owl> RTFM
13:23 < owl> SCNR
13:23 < owl> cd Documentation; vim HackersGuide or something...
13:25 < daja77> s1x: scripts/Build-Pkg
13:25 < s1x> and to install it?
13:25 < s1x> i've done that, is it installed on mty system now?
13:27 < daja77> yes
13:28 < daja77> owl: why you are so pissed?
13:29 < owl> daja77: why should i be pissed... there is a Documentation directory
13:29 < owl> (i'm just having headache... *har*)
13:33 < daja77> ok, just wondering
13:33 < owl> hmmm... ?
13:33 < daja77> don't worry
13:34 < owl> nah, tell me... please
13:34 < s1x> is there a way to update all the packages on my system?
13:37 < blindcoder> ./scrUpdate-System
13:37 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Update-System
13:37 < blindcoder>  /* HANDLE WITH CARE */
13:38 < s1x> how come?
13:38 < blindcoder> it _might_ destroy your system
13:38 < s1x> lol
13:38 < s1x> let's hope not
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13:47 < daja77> blindcoder: you bastard!
13:48 < blindcoder> hrm?
13:48 < blindcoder> what have I done?
13:49 < esden> argh ... owl >_<
13:49 * -> esden *kick*
13:50 < blindcoder> esden: wb
13:50 < esden> re blindcoder 
13:50 < esden> owl: having mood problems what?
13:52 < owl> esden: /me? how "kommst du drauf"?
13:52 < owl> hi esden btw
13:52 < esden> has anyone tested Update-System shortly?
13:53 < esden> owl: because you are burning innocent people from island ;-)
13:54 < owl> esden: burning people?
13:54 < esden> forget it owl ... if you are in bad mood do not answer any user question please ... if it is possible ;-)
13:55 < esden> I think that it will only demotivate them *fg*
13:56 < blindcoder> esden: do you know how much coffee there's left @bitz?
13:56 < esden> no idea ... sorry 
13:57 < blindcoder> ah well, no problem. I'll see when I get there
13:57 * -> esden has not brewed any coffee in bitz for a long time ...
13:57 < esden> blindcoder: that is sure ;-)
13:57 < esden> blindcoder: what do you do in bitz today?
13:58 < blindcoder> esden: I think about implementing something in ROCK I wanted to do the whole week already and I think I'll do it @bitz because @home I'll jsut start watching anime again :)
13:58 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... gooood argument ;-)
13:58 < blindcoder> yes :)
13:58 < owl> esden: *har* demotivating... :p
13:58 < esden> what do you want to implement? rock-get ? ;-)
13:58 < blindcoder> esden: you'll particularly like it for dietlibc I think
13:59 < owl> btw, i'm not in bad mood - but drunken *har har*
13:59 < blindcoder> esden: you know that you can manipulate packages from target*/pkg_*.conf ?
13:59 * -> esden looking very seriously at owl
13:59 < blindcoder> target/*/pkg_*.conf
13:59 < esden> blindcoder: do I? 
13:59 < esden> really?
14:00 < esden> did not know that ...
14:00 < esden> blindcoder: you mean you will continue fighting with lpp?
14:00 < blindcoder> well
14:01 < blindcoder> currently you have to do that with parse-config
14:01 < blindcoder> but parse-config is executed beore each_and_every package build
14:01 < blindcoder> that is... sub-optimal
14:01 < blindcoder> at best
14:01 < owl> esden: why? hehe
14:02 < esden> blindcoder: yes that is right
14:02 < blindcoder> esden: so I want to make something similiar to parse-config: package/*/*/pkg_*_(pre|post).conf
14:03 < blindcoder> Build-Tools will generate build/*/tools*/lib/pkg_*_(pre|post).conf jult like it does with parse-config
14:03 < esden> in dietlibc stuff I have to manipulate dynamic count of packages ... and especially in dietlibc target I have to "manipulate" all packages ...
14:03 < blindcoder> in Build-Pkg will do something like:
14:03 < esden> blindcoder: that is very very nice ... very usefull for lpp and also other things like uml target ...
14:03 < blindcoder> [ -e build/*/tools*/lib/pkg_${pkg}_pre.conf ] && . build/*/tools*/lib/pkg_${pkg}_pre.conf
14:04 < blindcoder> indeed
14:04 < blindcoder> that's why I want to do it
14:04 < blindcoder> but before I tell rene that I want to have that I want to hav a first implemention for it
14:04 < esden> hmm ... but there will probably will never be an uml target ... only an option if the target you are building should be built as an uml based system 
14:04 < esden> I think that is more usefull and flexible
14:05 < esden> blindcoder: sure .. that is a good idea ... make a proof of concept and then bug rxr ;-)
14:05 < blindcoder> jepp :)
14:05 < esden> but I am afraid that he will not insert this change ... it is more a feature for the scripts
14:05 < esden> and that is more something for 2.1 ...
14:05 < esden> if you ask me
14:06 < esden> I do not knaw how much regression that may cause
14:06 < esden> but I do not think that it will be much
14:06 < esden> create the patch and then discuss with rxr
14:06 < esden> if it will not be applyied in the current 2.0 tree it will be applyide for sure in 2.1
14:07 < blindcoder> eseI already had a little talk with him... I also mentioned that it woul be a thing for 21 but he seemed to like the idea of taking prossure off of parse-confi so maybe he will apply it into 2.0
14:07 < esden> ahh nice
14:07 < esden> then it is ok
14:07 < blindcoder> esden: it won't create any regression since right now there's no package using it.
14:07 < blindcoder> lpp will be the first on
14:08 < esden> yes right
14:25 < esden> ok ... I go home
14:25 < esden> cu l8er folks
14:25 < blindcoder> happy learning :)
14:25 < esden> thank you
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14:36 < n00kie> http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/index.html
14:45 < Aard> re.
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14:48 < daja77> huhu Aard
15:04 < esden> re hi all
15:04 < blindcoder> wb
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15:06 < PhalanxDude> hi all
15:06 < esden> hi PhalanxDude 
15:07 < PhalanxDude> may i ask some ennoying newbie questions...
15:07 < PhalanxDude> i'm one of those people who can't get satisfied with one or another linux distro...
15:07 < PhalanxDude> does rock linux have dependancies...
15:08 < owl> <-- @ train
15:08 < Mike1> PhalanxDude: distributions don't have dependencies, but the packages depend on others in order to work properly.
15:08 < owl> cya
15:08 < Mike1> cu owly
15:08 < Mike1> moin all
15:08 < owl> hi Mike1 , und bye
15:09 * Mike1 hugs owl
15:09 < PhalanxDude> Mike1: he lol, well that's what i meant... does the package manager automatically handle dependancies
15:09 < daja77> hi Mike1
15:09 < Mike1> hi daja77, wanna help me answer this fellow?
15:10 < PhalanxDude> who me?
15:10 < Mike1> yeah :)
15:10 < esden> PhalanxDude: no not automatically
15:10 < esden> if you want automatism use redhat ;-)
15:10 < esden> or debian
15:10 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
15:10 < daja77> esden: haha
15:10 < esden> or suse
15:10 < PhalanxDude> esden: redhat also doesn't handle dependacies
15:10 < Aard> esden: argh, anything but red hat.
15:10 < PhalanxDude> esden: suse also doesn't do that
15:10 < Mike1> hi blindy und esdy
15:11 < PhalanxDude> esden: only debian/gentoo/arch do that from what i've seen
15:11 < esden> PhalanxDude: at least they install everything that _seems_ to be needed for a packet to work automatically ...
15:11 < PhalanxDude> esden: only when doing a base install
15:11 < PhalanxDude> esden: not leighter on, when adding seperate packages
15:11 < blindcoder> and uninstall everything you need but might by a slim chance be incompatible with the new package >_<
15:11 < esden> PhalanxDude: when you install packet for rocklinux you can check what dependancies the packet has
15:12 < PhalanxDude> hmmm
15:12 < esden> and you then can install the packets ... 
15:12 < PhalanxDude> k
15:12 < esden> but there is no automatism that dependancies are resolved automatically
15:12 < daja77> gasgui handles dependencis
15:12 < daja77> +e
15:12 < esden> daja77: yes it does
15:12 < esden> but not automatically ...
15:13 < esden> but it is difficult to explain
15:13 < esden> you have to check that out by yourself if you ask me
15:13 < daja77> well clifford told me it does
15:14 < esden> daja77: yes he is right ... but the handling of dependancies in gasgui is not comparable to gentoo/debian or so
15:14 < esden> it is it's own thing ... and the best I have seen till now ...
15:16 < PhalanxDude> well anyway, thanks for the info
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15:16 < esden> hmm ... 
15:16 < esden> we have to work out standard answers for such questions ...
15:17 < esden> the dependancy question is something for an FAQ
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15:19 < daja77> well we have a install all the bloat feature ...
15:20 < esden> hehe yes
15:20 < esden> but that is not really dependancy ... or is it? o_O
15:20 < daja77> all dependencies are resolved in that case
15:21 < esden> yes right 
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15:30 < esden> re blindcoder 
15:32 * -> esden is asking himself where all lt people are ...
15:32 < esden> is their net not working???
15:32 < daja77> net is ok
15:33 < esden> daja77: so you are busy?
15:33 < esden> daja77: how is lt ... many people? ... interesting? 
15:33 < daja77> yes .. sort of
15:33 < esden> daja77: please tell me something ;-)
15:33 * daja77 on the phone
15:39 < daja77> I was discussing with deElsasser and Aard
15:42 < esden> greet Aard from me ;-)
15:42 < daja77> hehe he is here :)
15:42 < daja77> well we are no goin to ripclaws talk, cu
15:43 < esden> cu, have fun
15:43 < daja77> thx
15:43 * -> esden wants a report!
15:43 < Mike1> and pics !!
15:43 < esden> send me pics ;-)
15:43 < esden> hehe
15:43 < Aard> esden: thanks :)
15:43 < esden> Aard: *gg*
15:44 < esden> *cry* I want to be at LT *cry* *weep*
15:44 < Aard> esden: simply come...
15:44 < blindcoder> esden: shut up
15:45 * -> esden weeping a bit more
15:46 < esden> Aard: impossible ... :-(
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15:48 < Aard> esden: why?
15:49 * daja77 slaps esden 
15:50 < esden> Aard: have exams ...
15:50 < esden> tomorrow one ... and one on monday
15:50 < Aard> esden: this weekend?
15:50 < Aard> come after your exam tomorrow...
15:50 < blindcoder> his IO won't let him :)
15:51 < Aard> blindcoder: we can patch him here to allow such things..
15:51 < daja77> you mean patsch
15:51 < blindcoder> IO as in Insignificant Other :)
15:51 * Aard is not violent.
15:51 < daja77> *lol*
15:52 < blindcoder> daja77: hehe :) *batsch* *batsch* *batsch*
15:52 < Aard> blindcoder: we can fix her, too
15:52 < blindcoder> muahaha ;)
15:52 < daja77> yepp in saxonian, it would read like that
15:54 * daja77 killed discussion, hehe
15:54 < blindcoder> well done :)
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15:56 < daja77> woo no you can discuss with tcr
15:56 < daja77> lucky fight
15:56 < daja77> s/no/now
15:56 < esden> daja77: respect ;-)
15:56 < Mike1> esden: he know no respect for us... this mortals..
15:57 < tcr> Huh, crappy ol' windoze box I'm using here
15:57 < daja77> hmm interestimng to hear that from sleepy Mike
15:57 < Mike1> sleepy?!?!
15:57 < daja77> yes ...
15:57 < Mike1> daja77: just kidding my friend
15:58 < tcr> Yeah discuss with me whatever you want. You're doomed to fail anyway.
15:58 < daja77> but I'll excape before that
15:59 < tcr> daja77: How's thing over there in karlsruhe?
16:00 < daja77> we are waiting for ripclaws openfirmware talk now
16:00 < daja77> well more visitors than yesterday
16:00 < Mike1> daja77: where are the pics you promissed?
16:00 < daja77> fefe was here ...
16:00 < daja77> Mike1: huh /me hasn't promised pics
16:01 < daja77> klaus knopper debugged our net yesterday
16:01 < esden> daja77: ahh nice ... you should have greeted him from me ;-)
16:01 < daja77> well stuff like that
16:01 < Mike1> daja77: i want pics :*(
16:01 < tcr> daja77: debugger "our" net?
16:01 < tcr> debugged
16:02 < daja77> yepp net was down for a while yesterday
16:02 < daja77> he tested from my laptop
16:02 * daja77 now really off
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16:04 < dreamind> Heya
16:04 < Mike1> hi dreamind :)
16:04 < dreamind> hi Mike1 :)
16:04 * dreamind 's mood is quite good :)
16:04 < dreamind> (today *grin*)
16:05 < esden> hi daja77 
16:05 < esden> argl
16:05 < esden> dreamind even
16:06 < Mike1> mm... dreamind what's the reason for this "good mood" >?
16:14 < dreamind> Hi esden  :)
16:15 < dreamind> I just had a test at the university
16:15 < dreamind> and the result was a good one =)
16:20 < blindcoder> WEE
16:20 < esden> dreamind: nice
16:20 < esden> blindcoder: ???
16:20 < blindcoder> after 6 days a generic stage 9 build finally finished :)
16:20 < esden> blindcoder: congrats ...
16:20 < blindcoder> 56 packages failed, 11 with shared files, 45 remaining
16:20 < esden> rock is getting very big
16:21 < blindcoder> most of those got fixed since I started the build
16:22 < blindcoder> it's a non-optimized build, so if anybody wants it?
16:22 < blindcoder>                 Shared:    4476 kB in     2 files
16:22 < blindcoder>                 Disk 1:  712668 kB in  5926 files  (boot)
16:22 < blindcoder>                 Disk 2:  698184 kB in   378 files
16:22 < blindcoder>                 Disk 3:   47792 kB in     1 files
16:22 < blindcoder>                 Total:  1463120 kB in  6307 files
17:00 < Aard> re.
17:00 < daja77> re
17:00 < s1x> re
17:02 < Mike1> re.
17:03 < Aard> anybody else wants to say `re'? ;)
17:03 < s1x> lol
17:03 < Mike1> Aard: i just couldn't resist :)
17:03 < daja77> hmm esden hasn't contributed
17:05 < Mike1> daja77: he is learning atm.
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17:07 < daja77> ok but blindy isn't learning
17:07 < Mike1> daja77: true, blindcoder what are you doing?
17:07 < Mike1> :)
17:32 < tcr> re all
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18:05 < fake> hm...
18:07 < Mike1> fake: ..
18:44 < owl> rehi
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18:46 < owl> hi tcr
18:47 < tcr> moin
18:55 < fake> wee
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18:58 < owl> hi fake , christian
18:59 < christian> hi :)
18:59 < christian> hehe ihr seits echt cool :)
18:59 < fake> huh?
18:59 < christian> :)
19:00 < christian> ich war heut aufm linuxtag
19:00 < christian> und daja77 hat mir rocklinux gebrannt :)
19:00 < fake> ah, und? gut ?
19:00 < christian> hehe habs nich geschafft zu installieren :)
19:00 < owl> O_o
19:01 < Mike1> fake, christian please export LANG=en_US/UK
19:01 < christian> ahja okay
19:02 < tcr> So you think it's appealing to you?
19:03 < fake> he has been enlightened ;)
19:03 < christian> well i think its a bit too hard for me...
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19:05 < christian> i tryed to partition my hd - but the rock linux installation programm said, that the partition's are not correct
19:06 < christian> i had: one boot partition (ext2), one "main" partition (ext2) an a swap partition
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19:06 < christian> i tryed to find a installation instruction on the rocklinux website - but there wanst one.
19:07 < owl> O_o everyone is leaving for social event
19:08 < christian> i will visit rocklinux tomorrow again @ the linux day and i will try to find out - perhaps together with daja what i have done wrong
19:09 < tcr> christian: Yeah, that'll probably be the best thing to do
19:09 < Mike1> p;[]\]\['?:lkl
19:10 < tcr> It's easier to help in a face-to-face conversation
19:10 < Mike1> uurgs.. sorry
19:10 < tcr> Mike1: What's that?
19:10 * Mike1 just crashed his head against the keyboard
19:10 < Mike1> tcr: i need coffee or i won't make the day
19:10 < christian> hehe - i'm able to bring my pc to the linuxday :)
19:10 < Mike1> brb .. coffee
19:11 < christian> at the moment my hated redhat works on my pc :(
19:15 < Mike1> christian: tell me about ur problem
19:15 < christian> okay
19:16 < christian> i booted with the first CD
19:16 < christian> and pressed enter to start the intsallation programm
19:16 < Mike1> you got those cds at LT?
19:16 < christian> a few minutes later i had to type "stone" (i think) ;)
19:16 < christian> yes - 2.0 drock
19:17 * fake off to se
19:17 < christian> shoul i go on mike1?
19:18 < Mike1> yes please
19:18 < christian> okay
19:18 * netrunner listens to  moldovan folks music :) *swing*
19:18 < Mike1> hi netrunner
19:18 < netrunner> hi Mike1!
19:18 < christian> a few minutes later it was time to partition my hd
19:18 < Mike1> yes..
19:18 < christian> however: i created a boot partition
19:19 < christian> about 100 mb big
19:19 < christian> and of course a swap partition
19:19 < Mike1> 50mb would be more than enough
19:19 < christian> 700 mb
19:19 < Mike1> christian: only ur beloved rh used such big /boot patitions
19:19 < christian> and the rest of my space i spent to the third partition
19:19 < Mike1> 700mb swap mm..
19:19 < Mike1> how much ram do you have?
19:19 < Mike1> and how big is ur hd?
19:20 < christian> 384 mb ram an 40 gb hd
19:20 < netrunner> Mike1: ./rh-install --use-swap-lower-than-100MB --yesdoit --really --force --deeperforce --cry
19:20 < netrunner> Mike1: sometimes helps :)
19:20 < owl> *lol*
19:20 < Mike1> netrunner: lol
19:20 * Mike1 hugs owl
19:20 < christian> its a gag i dont understand :)
19:20 * owl hugs Mike1 
19:20 < netrunner> owl: hi mal wieder :)
19:21 < owl> hi netrunner
19:21 < Mike1> christian: ok you should you should not be having hd or ram problems
19:21 < Mike1> also ram is fine
19:21 < Mike1> christian: so what did you do next?
19:21 < christian> :)
19:21 < esden> re hi all
19:21 < christian> okay:
19:21 < christian> then i quit the partition programm
19:21 < Mike1> re MPET, Gott segne dich
19:21 < Mike1> yes..
19:21 < christian> an was back in this menue
19:21 < Mike1> ...
19:22 < esden> hehe ... hi Mike1 ... god bless you too
19:22 < Mike1> == 11:21:53 =[5]=> Building miguel/evolution [1.4.0 2.0.0-rc1].
19:22 < owl> wb esden
19:22 < christian> where i could read: step 1 - partiotn your HD step 2: step one must be done first (or something like that)
19:22 < esden> hmm ... the disc in my alpha is broken as it seems
19:22 < netrunner> esden: back to boooks!
19:22 < esden> I need to buy a new one ... it crashed badly
19:22 < esden> netrunner: *sigh* ... in a moment
19:23 < christian> so - i thougth that the partition of my hd i had done was wrong
19:23 < Mike1> christian: after the re partitioning, you have to move over one of the partions and press enter, it will give you the proper options to format
19:23 < christian> hmmmm
19:24 < esden> this will have to wait till after the summer ... so I hopefully will have enough money to buy one ...
19:24 < christian> i had given to every partion the type ext2
19:24 < christian> or what do you mean?
19:24 < esden> rock alpha port is stalled again ... :-(
19:24 < Mike1> christian: ok, 1  suggest you use ext3
19:24 < Mike1> esden: nnooo!!! :((((
19:25 < christian> hmmmm debian sayd to me ext2 is better :)
19:25 < christian> okay - next time i will use ext3
19:25 < Mike1> christian: debian knows nothing :)
19:25 < christian> was this my mistake?
19:25 < Mike1> anyways i need the exact error
19:25 < christian> i know mike - daja77 already said me his opinion about debian @ lt :)
19:25 < Mike1> can you get it for me?
19:25 < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi
19:26 < christian> well - there wanst a real error
19:26 < Mike1> christian: and belive i have quite a better opinion of debian than mdk
19:26 < christian> but i couldn go on in the installation programm
19:26 < Mike1> christian: what was the message?
19:26 < esden> Mike1: I can not do anything for or against it ... 
19:26 < Mike1> did you mount the partitions after formating?
19:26 < christian> there wasnt a meassage... i only saw a menue with about 5 menue points.
19:26 < christian> no
19:26 < Mike1> esden: yes i know, this sucks
19:27 < christian> i donst know how i could mount a partiton
19:27 < Mike1> can you start a new instalation>?
19:27 < Mike1> i will guide you
19:27 < christian> well - not at the same time i chat with you :)
19:28 < Mike1> damn it.
19:28 < christian> but
19:28 < christian> wait
19:28 < blindcoder> WEE! DMCA now also in Germany: http://computer.t-online.de/comp/soft/pro-/ar/CP/ar-urheberrecht-11juli.html
19:28 < christian> i will connect my second pc (its a redhat pc too :)) to the internet
19:28 < Mike1> christian: good do it
19:28 < christian> okay - i will be back in about 10 minutes
19:29 < Mike1> ok
19:29 < christian> thank you :)
19:29 < Mike1> no problem
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19:30 < tcr> Mike1: why don't you just let him go to daja tomorrow, so that he'll receive a live guide?
19:31 < Mike1> tcr: because perhaps i like to help around if i can rather than complaining and always specting to do things i can do.
19:31 < Mike1> specting others*
19:32 < tcr> I don't argue with that, I just think that he'll get _better_ help and he'll learn more if it's shown to him in real life.
19:33 < Mike1> tcr: is it really that hard to use stone?
19:33 < Mike1> tcr: did anyone actually explain to you live how to install rock?
19:35 < tcr> Mike1: You still don't get my point. While a live guidance things are shown to you, and you have it before your eyes (and visulation aims better and quciker understanding). Besides you can ask small intermedian-questions etc pp. It's all much more easier
19:35 < tcr> Mike1: I really appreticiate your will to help, that's decent, but I think you just waste time :)
19:35 < Mike1> i get ur point, but you are not changing my mind on helping the kid.
19:37 < Mike1> tcr: i well its _my_ time, and if i am wasting it... well i think i can deal with that, i rather "waste my time" trying to help than complaining about just everything
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19:40 < christian> re :)
19:40 < Mike1> welcome back christian
19:41 < christian> okay i m now online with my second pc
19:41 < Aard> re.
19:41 < Mike1> re Aard
19:41 < christian> the space key doesnt work correct :)
19:41 < Mike1> urgs
19:41 < christian> so know - i will boot from the first cd  :)
19:41 < Mike1> yes go ahead
19:42 < christian> query?
19:42 < Mike1> yes
19:43 < tcr> Mike1: Complaing a good way to reveal problems
19:43 < tcr> is
19:43 < Mike1> tcr: but complaining without solutions has no sence does it?
19:44 < tcr> Mike1: I can't see which complain you're reffering to now
19:44 < Mike1> tcr: bro listen, you are a nice guy, but sometimes you piss me off by some of your attitudes
19:45 < Mike1> tcr: ie this time.
19:45 < blindcoder> are there any problems with svn?
19:45 < owl> hi blindcoder
19:45 < blindcoder> hi owl
19:46 < Mike1> tcr: i understand ur poin of view
19:46 < tcr> Mike1: Didn't intend to annoy, I just have the opinion that you're wasting your time (in which you could do useful things). I mean, in my eyes it's absolutely unnecessary and actually quite a bit ineffective
19:46 < Mike1> tcr: but you have to understand that this channel is inteded also for helping new users, and not only for developers talking
19:47 < Mike1> tcr: i know, but atm i am bored, and i sort of wanted to help a bit here
19:47 < tcr> Mike1: I don't think any differently. I just think that christian would be off way better if he's helped out my daja tomorrow in real life :)
19:47 < Mike1> so why deny help when i have the time?
19:48 < tcr> Then continue, just wanted to make you clear about the unimportance of what you do
19:48 < christian> hm?
19:48 < Mike1> christian: do not worry :)
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19:48 < netrunner> AAARGG!! and I thought women know how to use the washing mashine :( my beloved shirts are pink!!
19:48 < christian> well it would be a big act to bring daja my pc :)
19:49 < Mike1> tcr: i know daja77 is also a good source for help, and oh well i will see if i can guide him through the install, else he can go to daja77 live tomorrow
19:49 < Mike1> define big act
19:49 < tcr> christian: Huh? Didn't you say it wouldn't be any problem?
19:50 < christian> it wouldn be any problem if nobody would help me like mike1 does it
19:50 < christian> then it would be the last chance for me to bring my pc to daja
19:51 < Mike1> christian: would you prefer to get help by irc or in person?
19:51 < christian> and of course - at first i had to ask him.
19:51 < Mike1> christian: i'm willing to help, but i'm just yet another option
19:51 < christian> mike - i think we sould try it together in irc.
19:51 < tcr> christian: Well, I actually refused to give you any help because I thought it's really no problem to take your pc to daja at lt, since you'd get really better help there (not because we're technically any worse, but because live guidance is much more intuitive and memorizable)
19:51 < christian> if something goes wrong i will bring my pc to daja.
19:51 < Mike1> tcr: or maybe you can help better than me?
19:52 < christian> no no mike makes a good job unitil this time :)
19:52 < tcr> People, don't make a big thing out of this now! Just continue what you were doing. Period.
19:52 < christian> let him go on tcr :)
19:54 < tcr> (Just for formalities: Mike1 you still ain't right, I was just fed with wrong information ;))
19:55 < tcr> or drew wrong assumptions, whatever ;)
19:55 < Mike1> whatever..
19:55 < tcr> j/k, you know
19:56 < Mike1> tcr: yes, ;-)
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20:00 < dreamind> Hi
20:00 < owl> hi dreamind
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21:54 * blindcoder will now continue his eforts to empty his Sake-bottle
21:54 < owl> blindcoder: *kick*
21:58 < blindcoder> *ouch*
21:59 < owl> blindcoder: hrm. you deserved it
22:00 * Mike1 hugs owl
22:00 < owl> Mike1: *rehug*
22:01 < owl> *gnarf* wyh can't men follow logical ways?
22:02 < blindcoder> what's the kernel module to load for vmware scsi controller?
22:06 < owl> hm. dunno. sorry
22:20 < blindcoder> *slurp
22:20 < blindcoder> anyone else want some sake?
22:21 * -> esden 
22:21 * owl kicks esden 
22:22 * blindcoder hands esden some sake
22:23 < esden> thans blindcoder 
22:23 * -> esden kicks owl
22:26 * Mike1 stands in front of esden
22:26 < Mike1> and puts owl behind him
22:26 < Mike1> do not kick her.
22:27 < owl> thx Mike1 :)
22:27 < owl> esden: why drinking?
22:28 < blindcoder> owl: why not?
22:28 < blindcoder> it's evening, we don't need to drive anymore today
22:28 < blindcoder> and at least I want to have a nice evening now
22:28 < blindcoder> I won't get it, bt I'd nsure like to have one
22:28 < owl> hrmpf
22:29 * -> esden drinking batida de coco ;-)
22:29 < Mike1> esden: "batido:
22:29 < Mike1> batido*
22:29 * owl drinking lemonade
22:29 * Mike1 drinking jolt
22:30 < esden> Mike1: no ... I spelled it correctly ... it is really written on the bottle ... batida
22:30 < esden> Mike1: what does it mean anyways?
22:30 < Mike1> "shake"
22:31 < esden> ???
22:31 < esden> ahh shake
22:31 < esden> ok
22:31 < Mike1> ie if i say Batido de Fresa = Strawberry Milkshake
22:31 < Mike1> ;-)
22:31 < esden> strange ... why is it then called batida ?
22:32 < Mike1> no clue
22:32 < esden> ahh ... now I remember how strawberrys were called in spanish
22:32 < esden> thanks Mike1 
22:32 < Mike1> esden: lol no problem :)
22:33 < esden> un poco de lecie porvabor ... or how it is spelled ... I only know how to speak it ... >_<
22:34 < Mike1> esden: "un poco de leche por favor"
22:34 < Mike1> :)
22:35 * SMP smiles
22:35 < Mike1> SMP: hi. :)
22:35 < owl> hi SMP
22:35 < SMP> any LinuxTag folks around?
22:36 < blindcoder> hi SMP
22:36 < esden> ok ... I was fully wrong ...
22:36 < esden> hi SMP 
22:36 < owl> Mike1: poco??? de leche por favor = milch $poco bitte ?
22:37 < owl> but what does poco mean?
22:37 < esden> a bit
22:37 < owl> ah. k. thx.
22:37 < owl> nade de fresa = erdbeereis?
22:37 < owl> s/nade/nada
22:38 * SMP recommends Strawberry Virgin Daiquiri
22:38 < owl> SMP: what's that?
22:38 < esden> owl: nade de fresa = so strawberies
22:38 < esden> argh
22:38 < esden> owl: nade de fresa = no strawberies
22:39 < esden> +r
22:39 < owl> esden: aehm... i mean in spanish... not in polish... :p
22:39 < owl> (and afaik i can remember to have seen it on the "erdbeereis" at the hotel...)
22:39 < esden> ok ... 
22:40 < owl> or am i wrong, Mike1 ?
22:40 < esden> I say anything more ... /me is too confused for such stuff
22:40 < SMP> owl: a cocktail w/o alcohol. strawberry pulp, some lime juice and sugar
22:40 < esden> fscking probability stuff
22:40 < Mike1> owl: erdbeereis in english please
22:40 < owl> esden: eh! sorry...
22:40 < esden> strawberry ice
22:41 < SMP> ice!
22:41 < owl> Mike1: "ice made of strawberries"
22:41 * SMP getting some chocolate ice
22:41 < Mike1> ah mm..
22:41 < Mike1> nieve de fresa
22:43 < blindcoder> owl: more correct: ice with strawberry-taste. You don't make ice from strawberries :)
22:44 < esden> yo habe no nieve de fresa ... pero me dona un poco de nieve de chocolata por favor ... (you are allowed to lough now ;-) )
22:44 < owl> SMP: oki. sounds good. but "san francisco" cockatil is also great imho. "aprikosen, pfirsich and orangen juice" afaik - witohout alk
22:44 < owl> SMP: guten hunger
22:44 < owl> oki. or so. anyways. thx ;)
22:44 < owl> blindcoder: bllllll :p
22:44 * owl takes a book and hits blindcoder with it :p
22:44 < owl> (or might i should use my new boots)
22:45 < esden> owl: they will decarnate when you use them to abuse blindcoder's butt ;-)
22:45 < fake> SMP: where are you?
22:45 * owl hands esden an chocolate-icq :p
22:45 < owl> aeh. ice
22:45 < esden> cocolate icq ... nice ;-)
22:45 < esden> you will make a lot of money with that owl ;-)
22:45 < owl> *lol* yes. renamed centericq ;p
22:46 < Mike1> esden: ur espanish is getting better
22:46 < owl> esden: don't laugh. /me is master of typos and "peinliche" mistakes today
22:46 < esden> I try my best ... but the spelling is really hard ... it is much easier to speak
22:47 < SMP> fake: office?
22:47 < SMP> (of course)
22:47 < esden> SMP: I thought that you are on LT 
22:48 < fake> SMP: then relocate office to lxtag ;)
22:48 < SMP> no, I'm not coming
22:48 < fake> *sniff*
22:48 < SMP> Vienna not, Cam maybe
22:48 < SMP> Camp even
22:48 < fake> Vienna should be pretty important regardin the new -dev tree
22:49 < SMP> but my sex-life is more important ;p
22:49 < esden> fake: should I hug you to make your dissapointment easier to bear? ;-)
22:50 < owl> *rofl*
22:50 < fake> id' even favour that than cc
22:50 < fake> and my wlan connection is lousy
22:51 < fake> SMP: don't tell me you have a sex life, you, the king of pr0n ? ;)
22:51 < rxr> re
22:51 < esden> re rxr 
22:52 < owl> wb rxr
22:52 < SMP> fake: I'm working on it ;)
22:52 < fake> (besides that one-handed-one)
22:52 < fake> best of luck!
22:53 < fake> esden: no
22:54 < fake> i must learn to cope with disappointments like that myself... *snuff*
22:54 * owl hands over a hankerchief to fake 
22:54 < fake> the social is event is like every year pretty boring, except there is wlan now... clifford is talking people into rock, ripclaw is telling bike stories...
22:55 < SMP> fake: do you have music?
22:55 < SMP> (again)
22:55 < esden> fake: I am here if you need help
22:56 < esden> fake: have the stories of rippy changed? or is it the standard stuff?
22:57 < fake> i am sitting outside with my sony vaio c1mhp and listening to my own music (black - wonderful life) and drinking the free white wine ;)
22:57 < SMP> fake: c1mhp, cool
22:57 < fake> esden: the usual permutations ;)
22:57 < esden> fake: has huebi apeared on LT?
22:57 * SMP wants one, too
22:57 * -> esden wants also a wine ... 
22:57 < fake> SMP: ack
22:58 < fake> but the very limited accumulators leeched out by the wlan card will stop my joy soon
22:58 < esden> fake: I am really asking myself how many permutations it needs, so that rippy stories are back to the original ;-)
22:59 < fake> esden: about 5 lxtag-units, maybe, but that is just a rough prediction
22:59 < fake> SMP: i got it used from ebay
23:00 < fake> is a wonderful life...
23:00 < SMP> fake: there are lots of the older C1, but not so many MHP. how much, if I may ask?
23:00 * tcr is listening to savatage - mophine child
23:01 * fake tunes in MEGAHERZ - Zeit
23:02 < fake> halt den zeiger an, der soll sich nicht mehr drehn, ich marschiere nicht mehr, nein ich bleib einfach stehn, ich hab keine lust mehr mit den andern im gleichschritt zu gehen...
23:02 < fake> das leben zieht vorbei, wieder stirbt ein tag, mit 30 bin ich tot, mit 70 lieg ich dann im grab
23:03 < fake> was kann ich noch tun, das kann doch noch nicht alles sein, ich will endlich wissen wofuer es sich lohnt auf dieser gottverdammten welt zu sein...
23:03 < fake> zeit... gib mir nur ein bisschen zeit *sing*
23:03 < fake> sorry
23:05 < fake> .o(ich brauche nur ein bisschen zeit, zeit zu verstehen, zeit, gib mir nur ein bisschen zeit, wieder klar zu sehen, zeit..... gib mir zeit... wieder aufzustehen...)
23:06 < tcr> fake: Please sing in real life and amuse the people standing near to you
23:06 < tcr> fake: but don't bore us ;)
23:06 < fake> tcr: there is no one standing next to me.
23:06 < fake> tcr: sorry, i'll shut up
23:06 * owl is kicking tcr 
23:07 * fake is kicking owl
23:07 < tcr> fake: You haven't got a pet (stofftier)?
23:07 * owl is kicking fake 
23:07 < fake> tcr: no?
23:07 < esden> fake: go somewhere where are other people ... or sing on the rocklinux booth tomorrow ;-)
23:08 < fake> esden: it's all no use if SMP isn't there *whimmer*
23:08 < tcr> fake: Oh, but it's incredible useful to talk to such a thing while coding.
23:08 < esden> SMP! move your ass over to LT fake needs you!
23:08 < esden> I can not do more fake ... sorry
23:08 < tcr> fake: Because it forces you to put assumption (you wouldn't ever realize otherwise) in words
23:09 < tcr> fake: that means a different way of reflecting
23:09 < tcr> fake: I know someone whose friend does actually code this way :)
23:10 < fake> tcr: oh, you mean talking to yourself? i do that when driving my car alone ;)
23:10 < fake> tcr: or i listen to the voices...
23:11 < tcr> well, not really the same. it does only seem so to outsidets ;)
23:11 < tcr> siders
23:11 < fake> accu is down to 40 % and my wine is empty
23:11 * tcr eating ice and watching harald schmidt
23:11 < fake> you are all just jealous because the voices only talk to ME! AHHAAHA!
23:12 < owl> .oO(multiple persoenlichkeit... interesting)
23:13 < esden> that is called split personality owl 
23:13 < esden> owl: you may want to try dict.leo.org
23:14 < blindcoder> hrm
23:14 < blindcoder> I need a new hard disk >_<
23:14 < fake> no, not split, just plain stupid, that's all ;)
23:14 * -> esden too
23:14 < fake> i could use a few, too
23:14 < owl> esden: nah. too lazy for that
23:15 < blindcoder> Linux Progress Patch doesn't work because the framebuffer doesn't work in vmware >_<
23:15 < esden> owl: so do something different to not talk dengilsh
23:15 < esden> ;-)
23:15 < owl> fake: aehm... normally being stupid != hearing voices :p
23:15 * fake singing moonspell - opium while looking at the almost-full-moon
23:15 < esden> blindcoder: write a fb driver for vmware .. many people will kiss whatevery you want for that ;-)
23:15 < blindcoder> esden: the bucks they'll hand me for it. they'll kiss them goodbye
23:16 < blindcoder> but there has to be one already
23:16 < blindcoder> only I don't find unable patches...
23:17 < esden> blindcoder: that is a mess
23:17 < fake> vesafb ?
23:17 < fake> doesn't vmare use a vesa compat. vga bios?
23:18 < blindcoder> fake: well... partly
23:18 < blindcoder> it works... somehow. But the kernel can't put images onto it
23:18 < blindcoder> ie: LPP doesn't work
23:19 < fake> and why can't the kernel put images onto it?
23:21 < blindcoder> I have no fscking idea
23:21 < blindcoder> LPP is compiled, it works (according to /var/log/messages)
23:21 < blindcoder> the framebuffer just doesn't draw anything to the screen
23:22 < fake> if you do a blind screenshot, is it there?
23:22 < fake> ie. cat /dev/fb/0 > screenshot.ppm
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23:23 < fake> if that works as expected, the problem is on the vmware side
23:23 < fake> 30%
23:25 < blindcoder> mom
23:26 < blindcoder> doesn't look like a vmware problem
23:26 < blindcoder> /dev/fb contains two entries:
23:26 < blindcoder> .
23:26 < blindcoder> ..
23:26 < blindcoder> that's it
23:26 < fake> then the fb driver is not correctly installed
23:26 < fake> did you use vesafb?
23:27 < blindcoder> yes
23:27 < fake> hehe, i set up an ssh tunnel from the natted challenge in the lxtag booth to my home pc, now i can folloe the build progress ;)
23:27 < fake> what entry do you have in lilo.conf?
23:27 < blindcoder> I did vga=ask
23:28 < fake> and what did you tell it on boot?
23:28 < blindcoder> and then used each option (80x25 to 80x60)
23:28 < blindcoder> that's the only ones I can choose
23:28 < fake> i'd set it to 0x314
23:28 < fake> in lilo.conf
23:29 < fake> then it's a 'real' framebuffer
23:29 < fake> 800x600 @ 64 bit color
23:29 < blindcoder> hrm... I'll try...
23:29 < fake> see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt
23:29 * SMP even more chocolate icecream
23:30 < blindcoder> yes, but with scan it didn't give me that option...
23:30 < blindcoder> root@localhost:~# lilo
23:30 < fake> SMP: sexual acitivities with chocolate ice cream...?
23:30 -!- linuxdev_ [~linuxdev@pD9E397E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:30 < Mike1> :)
23:30 < fake> blindcoder: that's normal
23:30 < blindcoder> FATAL: APPEND or LITERAL may not contain "vga="
23:31 < fake> blindcoder: you have to set it in the generic lilo.conf segment, not in the append line
23:31 -!- christian [~linuxdev@pD9E397E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting")
23:31 < blindcoder> root@localhost:~#
23:31 < blindcoder> hm...
23:31 < blindcoder> okay, lilo did it this time
23:32 < fake> hurry up, accu is at 22%
23:32 < blindcoder> BIOS data check successful
23:32 < blindcoder> You passed an invalid mode number.
23:32 < esden> fake: search a power plug
23:33 < blindcoder> Press <RETURN> to see video modes available, <SPACE> to continue or wait 30 seconds.
23:33 < fake> did you compile vesafb into the kernel? enter 0x314
23:33 < blindcoder> yes I did
23:34 < fake> (u can't build it as module)
23:34 < fake> then there is no vesa bios, i'm afraid
23:34 < blindcoder> I can max enter 4 chars
23:34 < fake> 314?
23:34 < blindcoder> doesn't work
23:34 < fake> maybe 114
23:34 < blindcoder> so it _is_ vmware after all
23:35 < fake> blindcoder: but it really should work
23:35 < fake> i'm off
23:35 < SMP> blindcoder: try 788
23:35 < fake> getting more wine...
23:36 < fake> 305
23:36 < fake> that's even in the vesafb.txt for an vga=ask option
23:36 < fake> however, see you later maybe
23:36 < blindcoder> 788 and 305 both non-functional
23:36 < fake> bye
23:36 < blindcoder> bye fake
23:37 < fake> blindcoder: your kernel is all screwed up ;P
23:37 -!- christian [~root@pD9E397E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:37 < owl> bye fake
23:37 < Mike1> welcome chrsitian
23:37 < christian> re
23:37 < christian> >(
23:37 < blindcoder> fake: (almost) vanilla 2.4.21
23:37 < owl> wb christian
23:38 * SMP spotting someone who ircs as root
23:39 < christian> re
23:39 < christian> KNOW IM A ROCK LINUX USER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
23:39 < christian> ZEAH
23:39 < owl> .oO(and having the wrong keymap, eh? ;)
23:39 < esden> congrats christian 
23:39 < christian> yes
23:40 < christian> but i will fix all those problems together with god mike1
23:40 < owl> hihi
23:41 * Mike1 blushes
23:41 < Mike1> tcr: and you said he wouldn't do it without live help..
23:42 < esden> hehe ... our god Mike1 
23:42 < esden> you have outrun mathilda ;-)
23:42 < Mike1> i'm not a god i'm an elf
23:42 < tcr> Mike1: I didn't say that
23:42 < esden> hehe Mike1 is an elf format executable? ... good to know
23:43 < Mike1> esden: nope a LOTR elf :P
23:43 < Mike1> tcr: you suggested it, anyways i justw anted to let you know he is running rock now :)
23:44 < tcr> Mike1: I never douted that. Just said that I think it'd be more informative
23:44 < blindcoder> Mike1: that was Elb! not Elf!
23:44 < tcr> An elb is nothing else than an elf methinks
23:44 < Mike1> blindcoder: ok blindy :P
23:50 < owl> <.. sleeping
23:50 < owl> gn8
23:51 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("server shutdown.bbl")
23:51 < Mike1> n8 owlita
23:51 < Mike1> grr
23:57 < fake> hm
23:57 -!- linuxdev_ [~linuxdev@pD9E397E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:59 * fake found a power outlet
23:59 < fake> and i caught a clifford.
--- Log closed Sat Jul 12 00:00:00 2003