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00:33 < huebi> A good german book about DJB's deamontools: http://www.fehcom.de/qmail/docu/05_new.pdf
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00:48 < rolla> re
00:55 < esden> hi rolla good to see you
00:55 < esden> I tested the alpha rocklinux iso I sent you long time ago
00:55 < esden> I was able to boot it without any problems ...
00:56 < esden> in the SRM I typed >>> boot DKA0
00:56 < esden> that booted from the cd
00:56 < esden> then in the aboot console:
00:56 < esden> aboot> b /boot/esdenkernel_2_4.17 root=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0
00:57 < esden> and had the installation disk booted
00:57 < esden> I have not only tested the cd I pulled the iso from but also burned the iso I sent you and tested
00:58 < esden> do you remember what exact problem you had?
00:59 < Aard> esden: nice to see you learning for youre exams... 8)
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00:59 < esden> Aard: I do learn ... but I have the chat running on another monitor ... 
00:59 < esden> and I have run the test some days ago
01:03 < rolla> esden: I will have to try that
01:04 < esden> kk
01:04 < fake> rolla: the challenge s is running rock
01:04 < rolla> ?
01:04 < fake> rolla: and currently compiling 2.0.0-beta6 without problems
01:05 < rolla> very cool
01:05 < fake> yeah, it's great, mips support in 2.0 should be way-to-go
01:06 < rolla> very cool
01:07 < fake> the indy will be supported with gfx soon
01:08 < esden> hmm alpha support will most likely be not in 2.0 ... because the disc in my alpha is broken (yes that is a beg for a harddisk ;-) )
01:08 < fake> i talked to some port-people on linuxtag (a fair i just returned from tonight) and they promised to fix devfs for the newport fb/console driver on monday
01:08 * fake has no harddisks
01:08 < fake> i write onto WOMs
01:08 < esden> WOM???
01:09 < fake> write-only-memory
01:09 < esden> paper?
01:09 < fake> no, the favourite WOM chips!
01:09 < esden> you write stuff on them and then eat so you can no more read from them. right?
01:10 < fake> mount -o loop,wo /dev/null /mnt/wom
01:10 < rolla> :)
01:10 < esden> ahh ok ... nice
01:10 < fake> (only supported in FAKE UNIX
01:10 < fake> )
01:10 < fake> REV. 4223
01:11 < esden> when will there be a FAKE UNIX target in rock?
01:11 < fake> as soon as it hits revision 2142312341475
01:11 < fake> which should be in about.... 136 years at the current rate.
01:11 < rolla> fake sounds very cool
01:12 < esden> hmm ... that are only two fakes
01:12 < esden> not so much
01:12 < fake> *LOL*
01:12 < fake> and now i am going to take a short nap
01:13 < esden> have a nice sleep fake 
01:13 < fake> thanks, you too, student!
01:13 < fake> ;)
01:13 < fake> night rolla!
01:13 < esden> thank you ... but I do not think that I will have the possibility to do that 
01:13 < esden> still a lot to learn for tomorrow
01:14 < fake> esden: thou should overload thee brainz!
01:14 < fake> brzl
01:14 < fake> good luck!
01:14 < esden> that will not burn my brain ... that stuff is nice ... I like it 
01:14 < esden> but it is still a lot to learn
01:15 < esden> thank you anyways ;-)
01:31 < esden> rolla: how is your status?
01:31 < rolla> ?
01:31 < esden> you said that you are burning ...
01:31 < rolla> burn is done going to try and boot the system
01:32 < esden> ok
01:39 < rolla> mom
01:49 < rolla> esden: alphas can't read cd-rw
01:49 < esden> your alphas ;-)
01:50 < rolla> I do a boot dka600 and I get no mdeia
01:50 < esden> I have bought the cheepest ide cdrom drive I could find and inserted it in my alpha ... and it can read cdrw
01:50 < rolla> oh mine is scsi
01:51 < rolla> no ide
01:51 < esden> yes that are the standard drives that are in that boxes
01:51 < esden> and they also can not read cdr
01:52 < rolla> ?
01:52 < esden> but your alphas have ide on board for sure
01:52 < rolla> they allways have before
01:52 < rolla> I have loaded redhat , debian , gentoo all from cdr
01:52 < esden> ohh sorry ... yes you are right
01:52 < esden> cdr was readable
01:52 < esden> but not always iirc
01:53 < rolla> okay
01:53 < rolla> I will test this with cdr and see if it can read it
01:53 < esden> kk
01:53 < esden> but I have to go to bed ... 
01:53 < esden> pleas write me what you acheved
01:53 < rolla> okay
01:53 < esden> good night
01:54 < rolla> thanks
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05:37 < jsaw> rxr: I just saw in the kdevelop config running down my window, that the Python path is set to "/usr/local" (I'm 2 tired to have a look at it myself right now...), cu l8r
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06:02 < mnemoc> dummy question: is Makefile.in converted by autoconf?
06:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: if there's a configure script normally yes. gn8
06:11 < mnemoc> so configure should auto do it?
06:12 < mnemoc> i'm patching a couple of .in files of gcc, but files are no re-generated :(
06:12 < jsaw> configure create Makefile from Makefile.in. autoconf etal create Makefile.in from Makefile.am
06:12 < mnemoc> and configure.in?
06:12 < jsaw> configure.in to configure by autoconf etal
06:12 < mnemoc> configure self generate a new configure from updated configure.in?
06:13 < mnemoc> or should i manualy run autoconf?
06:13 < jsaw> must run autoconf if configure.in was modified
06:14 < mnemoc> thanks :)
06:14 < jsaw> (aclocal is probably also necessary)
06:14 < jsaw> cu l8r, mnemoc
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06:14 < mnemoc> :(
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07:01 < christ|an> good morningun
07:01 < christ|an> morninug
07:01 < christ|an> morning
07:01 < christ|an> :)
07:19 < blindcoder> moin
07:23 < christ|an> :)
07:23 < christ|an> i must go to work in a few minutes :) cya this evening? :)
07:26 < blindcoder> maybe... not sure
07:26 < blindcoder> want to go to bed early today
07:26 < blindcoder> and I just got up >_<
07:50 < netrunner> moin
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07:58 < netrunner> what ... ?
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08:40 < esden> moin
08:41 < blindcoder> moin esden *hug*
08:42 < esden> *rehug*
08:44 * blindcoder almost falling asleep... every muscle hurts >_<
08:44 * -> esden is also falling asleep
08:44 < esden> and at 10 I have to write an exam >_<
08:45 < blindcoder> again?
08:45 < esden> ack
08:45 < blindcoder> urgs
08:45 < blindcoder> good luck
08:45 < esden> thanks
08:51 < schasi> stay awake if possible ^^
08:51 < esden> i will try ;-)
08:52 * blindcoder hands esden some toothpicks
08:52 < schasi> drink some pots of coffee
09:05 < esden> ok ... I am off for uni
09:05 < esden> cu guys
09:05 < blindcoder> see you later ^^
09:05 < schasi> cu
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09:26 < owl> hi. wow. freak-free today. well. then i'll stay
09:30 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:30 < owl> hi blindy ;)
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10:20 < fake> rehi
10:20 < owl> hi fake
10:20 < blindcoder> moin fake
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11:14 < owl> *yawn*
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11:28 < owl> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. don't tell me, that the scripts just disliked the version of my bash?!!!
11:31 < rxr> re
11:32 < owl> hi rxr
11:32 < rxr> hi owl
11:33 < owl> rxr: how are you?
11:34 < rxr> good - and you ?
11:34 < rxr> the massive alcohol consume stopped ?
11:35 < owl> hm. yes. stopped. for now. but not for tonight. /me feeling like shit. (as always) thx
11:36 * blindcoder back
11:39 < rxr> oO owl - why do you fell so much like shit ?
11:40 < owl> rxr: hm. why shouldn't i? is there something to laugh about? the meaningless of me. and the senseless of life. nah. can't laugh about that
11:41 < blindcoder> owl: take dancing lessons ^^
11:41 < blindcoder> I feel really good because of dancing yesterday ^^
11:41 < owl> blindcoder: what for? i'm hating dancing
11:43 * blindcoder now creating a new pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf patch
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11:46 < blindcoder> moin schueler
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11:57 < blindcoder> hm... can someone enlighten me about something in the lilo/lilo.conf file?
11:58 < blindcoder> the /etc/lilo.conf is only created if it doesn't exist already... why?
12:00 < rxr> cool
12:00 < blindcoder> rxr: ?
12:01 < rxr> the RS/6000 IBM sponsored and is now on my desk shows first live signs ...
12:01 < rxr> cool kernel booting ...
12:01 < blindcoder> sweet
12:02 < rxr> fs check ;-)
12:02 < rxr> seems to have crashed or powered-off the last time Cliff used it ... *g*
12:03 < blindcoder> hehe
12:03 < blindcoder> rxr: do you have any idea about the lilo thing I just asked?
12:04 < rxr> erhm - /me fetchmailing ...
12:04 < rxr> but I'm a grub user for some years now ...
12:05 < blindcoder> no, here on IRC. lilo.conf only creates /etc/lilo.conf if it doesn't exist already
12:08 < rxr> mom
12:08 < rxr> update in an installed system - we do this for many config files ..
12:08 < blindcoder> ah, I see.
12:09 < rxr> we have this automated config file restoring via Build-Pkg -update - but it is nice when important files are not overwrite when you forget the option in a running system ...
12:09 < blindcoder> I was just curious, because I noticed it when I created the pkg_lilo_post.conf for lpp
12:09 < rxr> hm - obelix asks for the root passwort - I guess I need a init=/bin/bash run ... *hehe*
12:11 < blindcoder> hehe, sometimes I am tempted to just patch the init= thing out of the kernel ^^
12:13 < rxr> when the person has physical access to the machine it does not help
12:13 < rxr> but damn the box has no bootprompt where I could enter it ...
12:15 * blindcoder now sending second try of pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf "feature"
12:18 < rxr> the box really boots slow
12:21 < esden> re hi all!!!
12:22 < esden> VACATION!!!! WEEE!!! I AM COMING!!! ;-)
12:22 * blindcoder kicks esden
12:22 < esden> :D
12:22 < blindcoder> esden: how's the exam been?
12:22 * -> esden hugs blindcoder 
12:23 * blindcoder hugs back
12:23 < esden> blindcoder: very nice ... beside the fact that the time was to short what goes on my nerves
12:23 < blindcoder> isn't it always?
12:23 < esden> blindcoder: yes ... that is right
12:24 < blindcoder> hehe
12:24 < esden> ok ... I have to clean up the mess here in my cell ... and then off to ingolstadt ;-)
12:24 < esden> and paddy!!! ;-)
12:24 < blindcoder> paddy?
12:25 < esden> party! ;-)
12:25 < blindcoder> oh... k
12:25 < blindcoder> don't start without e!
12:25 < blindcoder> me!
12:25 < esden> blindcoder: you like to go billard today?
12:25 < rxr> rock 1.3.11 is on the RS6000 ...
12:26 < blindcoder> hmm... surre
12:26 < rxr> 2000/10/14
12:26 < blindcoder> esden: but I'd also like 77 Euros
12:26 < esden> blindcoder: :-(
12:27 < esden> I know ... I will see what I can do ... ;-)
12:27 < blindcoder> good boy *pat*
12:27 < esden> rxr: see it so ... it could be older ;-)
12:28 < blindcoder> hehe
12:29 < blindcoder> I like these nethack patches :)
12:29 < esden> blindcoder: o_O
12:29 < blindcoder> found a few quite nice nethack patches and wrote some of my own again
12:29 < blindcoder> I currently run a heavily overpatched nethack ^^
12:30 < esden> blindcoder: humm ... nethack is a patchwork itself ;-)
12:30 < blindcoder> yes, that also ^^
12:37 < esden> no pig in bitz ... >_<
12:37 < esden> what is going on?!!!
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12:37 < esden> cu fake ;-)
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12:38 < esden> re fake 
12:38 < Ge0rG> good morning
12:39 < esden> morning Ge0rG 
12:44 < netrunner> hi esden
12:44 < blindcoder> moin Ge0rG
12:46 < blindcoder> esden: as you are the ROCK dietlibc guru, I expect some feedback from you regarding the pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf thing
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12:48 < esden> re
12:48 < esden> ;-)
12:49 < owl> re
12:49 < esden> erm ... yes ... I know ... I have to write that ... and extract the dietlibc gcc patch ...
12:49 < esden> but that takes some time ...
12:49 < esden> owl: *hug*
12:49 < owl> hi esden *rehug*
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12:49 < blindcoder> esden: a simple "I could use that for dietlibc" would already be enough ^^
12:49 < esden> argl
12:50 < esden> argl
12:50 < blindcoder> hrm
12:50 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... I have to take a deeper look in the feature of you and the structures in dietlibc before I can say that ;-)
12:51 < esden> argl was because of the fscking netsplits
12:51 < esden> blindcoder: animus was online yesterday ... can you imagine that?
12:51 < esden> but she has not answered on my greet ... :-/
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12:57 < blindcoder> wtf is lilo doing?
12:59 < owl> blindcoder: he wants to annoy you ;p
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13:00 < blindcoder> hrmpf
13:00 < owl> *g*
13:01 < owl> someone knows if Aard is still alive?
13:05 < netrunner> muahaha: http://www.shortnews.de/shownews.cfm?id=464672
13:06 < blindcoder> *ouch*
13:06 < owl> *lol*
13:10 < netrunner> owl: yes, you laugh! :/
13:10 < owl> netrunner: sure *vbeg*
13:10 < esden> huhu netrunner *hug* ;-)
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13:11 * netrunner *hug*s esden
13:12 < owl> WAAAAAAAAH!!!! those guys are with stupid (@company)!!!
13:12 < esden> wuaaaaaahh ... 
13:12 < esden> I knew that drugs are bad ...
13:12 < esden> but that is really ill
13:12 < owl> nah. drugs are ok. but not, if you#re a man :ppp
13:13 < blindcoder> esden: s/ill/sick/
13:13 < esden> owl: be carefull that you do not cut you a tit away and eat it ;-)
13:13 < esden> blindcoder: ack
13:14 < owl> *lol* naaaaaaaaaaaaaah
13:14 * owl kicks esden 
13:14 < esden> owl: you never know ... if you like drugs it may happen
13:15 < owl> esden: i just like alk and citalopram
13:17 < netrunner> owl: so stay away if you consumed drugs! :)
13:18 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... I think she does not need drugs to do something nasty ;-)
13:21 < esden> *yawn*
13:24 < netrunner> esden: donatos?
13:25 < esden> o_O
13:25 < esden> ???
13:26 < netrunner> esden: food. in round pieces, approximately 23cm in diameter. overlayed (?) with salami, squashed tomatoes and cheese.
13:26 < blindcoder> sounds like pizza :)
13:27 < netrunner> donatos is the pizza-fast-food derivate of mcdonalds.
13:27 < blindcoder> oh... that's why I never heard of it ^^
13:27 < blindcoder> haven't been to a fast-food-thing in months
13:28 < owl> netrunner: nah
13:28 < fake> citalopram?
13:28 * fake wants
13:29 < owl> fake: why?
13:29 < fake> owl: just hand some over
13:29 * owl gives fake some of her citalopram
13:30 < esden> junkies
13:30 < owl> esden: *kick*
13:30 < esden> netrunner: mcdonalds? ... no thanks
13:30 < esden> owl: yes ... truth hurts most ;-)
13:30 < netrunner> ah: CelexaTM (citalopram HBr) is an orally administered selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) with a chemical structure unrelated to that of other SSRI's or of tricyclic, tetracyclic, or other available antidepressant agents.
13:31 < netrunner> esden: no, not burgers,pizza. tastes good. and you order from a table via phone :)
13:31 < esden> netrunner: sounds good ...
13:32 < netrunner> esden: I'd go to regerstrasse now, wanna join?
13:32 < owl> netrunner: alc - is an better anti-depressant "medicine" - cause it kills the brain and killed brain is not able to produce negative thoughts.
13:32 < esden> netrunner: I would have to drive in to the city ... 
13:32 < esden> netrunner: no ... thanks ... I want to drive to ingolstadt ;-)
13:32 < esden> netrunner: will we see each other tomorrow?
13:32 < esden> at the uni?
13:32 < netrunner> esden: there's one in the leopoldstr, but that's not on my route today.
13:33 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... leopoldstr would be better for me ...
13:33 < netrunner> esden: yes, I want to kick some ... points out of no1
13:33 < esden> netrunner: hehe ;-)
13:33 < esden> ok ... cu then
13:33 < esden> I drive now to IN
13:33 < esden> cu l8er
13:34 < netrunner> esden: have phun
13:34 < owl> bye esden
13:37 < fake> owl: i always have the feeling that i am even more depressed when drunk when i'm alone
13:38 < owl> hrm. then don't drink :-(
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14:14 < jsaw> re
14:14 < jsaw> hi all
14:16 < fake> hi jsaw
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14:24 < owl> hi jsaw , tcr
14:24 < tcr> moin
14:29 < owl> *gnarf* /me jumps out of the window
14:29 * blindcoder closes the window beind owl
14:29 < tcr> "Freuden schöner Götterfunken, Tocher von Ilisium.."
14:30 < blindcoder> btw: GUH-Narf
14:31 < owl> blindcoder: hm?
14:31 < tcr> GNU-arf
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14:31 < knoti> hi
14:32 < owl> np: soulfly - tree of pain.
14:32 < owl> tcr: do you know it?
14:32 < owl> hi knoti
14:32 < tcr> nope
14:33 < owl> hm. want to know...?
14:34 < tcr> what kind?
14:34 < tcr> send it anyway
14:34 < owl> hm. metal i would say... (but this song is sometimes extremely calm)
14:34 < owl> (but just sometimes *vbeg*)
14:35 < tcr> tree of pain, that doesn't sound like an ordinary metal song
14:35 < owl> hm. yeah... just listen to it ;)
14:35 < owl> soulfly is a bit like slipknot, sick of it all and so
14:36 < tcr> slipknot is pop
14:36 < owl> *lol* not really
14:36 < tcr> at least the newer songs
14:36 < owl> dunno. don't know some songs of them... like "no life" and so
14:37 < tcr> I don't know any song at all, and I think I won't ever
14:37 < owl> hmmm. k. as you wish ;p
14:38 < owl> (might i should rename one and send it to you *vbeg*)
14:40 < owl> .oO(rock is hating me... now it works *argh*)
14:45 < tcr> that song makes me yawn... I mean it crawls for the first 2 1/2 minutes
14:46 < owl> hmmm
14:48 < tcr> Oh well. I'm better off listening to die apokalyptishen reiter - gone again
14:48 < owl> hehe. have fun, tcr
14:50 < jsaw> hi night{hawk,owl}. No that you wrote it (intr syscall), I remember it was the same for me.
14:51 < tcr> owl: bash 2.0b is required.
14:51 < tcr> And why the hell had you 2.0a installed anyway?
14:54 < tcr> perfect word order %)
14:54 < jsaw> :)
14:56 < tcr> btw jsaw; i bought such a pci2usb card, but cant it working. Dont really know why not... I suppose it could be because of the very old mainboard
14:56 < rxr> hi hs
14:56 < rxr> jsaw:
14:56 < tcr> cant get it workin
14:57 < jsaw> hi rxr
14:57 < jsaw> tcr: card vendor/device etc?
14:57 < rxr> jsaw: do we really need ro move this few files into subdirs ??
14:57 < rxr> btw: there are some rockplug changes planned ...
14:58 * blindcoder going home
14:58 < rxr> we already noticed that we need hwscan for the initrd or embedded devices - so we'll modularize hwscan - and make it eat a parameter with a deivce given - so it only delivers what to load for that device
14:59 < rxr> so we'll port the new matching code into a modular hwscan (get rid of the current hwhex by that way) - and make rockplug call hwscan -pci -device xyz ...
14:59 < Ge0rG> hm.. I forgot to ask you guys about rockplug at the LT *:)
14:59 < jsaw> rxr: i have done it already (hwhex is gone!)
15:00 < fake> Ge0rG: hi!
15:00 < rxr> jsaw: ah  good to know ...
15:00 < Ge0rG> hi fake :)
15:00 < jsaw> rxr: hexdump (in util-linux) does it.
15:00 < tcr> jsaw: I dont think you can do anything about it anyway. just wanted to tell you that i took you advise
15:00 < jsaw> rxr: I don't like using lspci.
15:00 < rxr> I know about hexdump - but I have not found a way to make it generate the needed output ...
15:01 < rxr> hwscan does not use lspci (IIRC)
15:01 < rxr> but we need a common code path for both application - otherwise maintaining is too error prone ...
15:01 < jsaw> rxr: yes it does. while ( ("lspci -v" | getline) > 0 ) {
15:02 < rxr> jsaw: ok - but this shoudl be easyly removeable ...
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15:03 < jsaw> rxr: the current code will not go into a package (if you do make dist). just wait 1 more days and have a look at it (look at it as a proposal). there's a good reason for sorting this out into sub dirs (duplicate code).
15:03 < rxr> cooool the RS/600 has 768MB RAM ;-)!
15:03 < rxr> jsaw: ok - I have enught todo anyway ...
15:04 < owl> tcr: where is it written?
15:04 < jsaw> tcr: Not going to give up on it. What's the card vendor/device etc. ?
15:04 < tcr> owl: what ?
15:04 < rxr> and I could do a svn merge -r HEAD:$last_revision_before_restruct anyway ...
15:04 < owl> tcr: aeh. that bash-2.05b is required
15:04 < owl> hi rxr btw
15:05 < rxr> re hi owl
15:05 < jsaw> rxr: how problematic is it, to add search caps to the ML archs?
15:05 < rxr> just needed a bit sleep after all this traveling before and after LT ...
15:05 < owl> wonderful... stage 2 :))) then you will normally have a new rock-user on saturday or sunday... depends on when i will meet him... :)
15:05 < rxr> jsaw: hm ?
15:05 < tcr> owl: Nowhere. I asked why we don't check for it, no answer.
15:06 < rxr> Mailing List archive ?
15:06 < owl> hmmm
15:06 < jsaw> rxr: (search capabilities) (mailing list archive on the homepage)
15:06 < tcr> jsaw: the mailing list archive thingy must be rewritten completely, I think
15:06 < rxr> jsaw: the current search function should already search thru the lists ...
15:07 < jsaw> ? lemma see, I missed the button...
15:07 < owl> tcr: i had installed 2.0a becaus it was my first lfs-system and i did almost completely use the book
15:08 < fake> rxr: how was the trip? ;)
15:08 < fake> did you bring "bleigel-akkus" to hack in the train ? ;))
15:09 < tcr> jsaw: I have a 4port add-in card with a VIA VT6202 USB 2.0 host controller and a VIA Apollo VPX mainboard.
15:09 < rxr> fake: the trip was ok - aside that I had to carry this B50 with me ...
15:10 < rxr> but hey - it has 768MB RAM - it was worth the pain ...
15:10 < rxr> and since my iBook can run 5 hours on battery I edited the new ROCK Linux handbook quite much ...
15:10 < fake> rxr: aw, it had 1 Gig when clifford gave it to me... bwuahaha. ;)
15:10 < Mike1> moin, rxr LT pics?
15:11 < fake> wow... 5Hrs? with no backlight, the harddisk disconnected and the cdrom drive too? and no music running?
15:11 < jsaw> tcr: what modules did you try?
15:12 < rxr> fake: you exchanged the RAM ?
15:12 < tcr> jsaw: Eh, well, I install windoze on that box. Card is detected, and devices plugged into the card do get electricity, but they aren't detected
15:12 < rxr> fake: nope - just switched to 400Mhz powersaving policy - normal useage ...
15:13 < rxr> even some CPU intensive latex runs - and continous mp3 ogg/vorbis playback ... - HD was on the wohle time ...
15:14 < jsaw> tcr: usb2.0 <-> 1.1 problem I guess. Install Linux!
15:16 < tcr> jsaw: how do you mean? 2.0 is backward compatible to 1.1. And I can't install linux on it
15:17 < fake> rxr: that was a joke, a pretty polish one i admit ;)
15:18 < jsaw> tcr: electrically speaking yes. driverly speaking, no.
15:19 < tcr> Well, via offers a "filter patch" for 1.0 support.
15:19 < rxr> fake: ah - the ram modules look all the same anyway - so I wondered ...
15:19 < tcr> I'll test some things I haven't tested yet, and then I'll ask the technical support of VIA
15:21 < tcr> jsaw: If the modem gets electricity (the led lights), there shouldn't be a problem with electricity, should it? (I can't get how much mA the modem requires)
15:21 < Mike1> ARRGGG!!! my devel partition is full..
15:21 < rxr> tcr: there one was a nice article in the ct about usb 1 vs. 2 ...
15:21 < rolla> re
15:21 < Mike1> welcome back rolla
15:21 < rolla> yeah yeah
15:29 < rxr> Mike1: I have a few photos - they will be online later ..
15:29 < Mike1> rxr: excellent thanks
15:29 < fake> rxr: just mail them, i have scripts for stuff like that (fake.by-infonet.de/pics/)
15:30 < Mike1> fake: have you got any pics on ur host yet? (from LT)
15:30 < fake> from last year and from ccc and hal and stuff
15:30 < fake> but i don't take pictures usually, so no.
15:30 < Mike1> fake: oks
15:32 < rxr> fake: I have script, too. No problem.
15:41 < fake> rxr: but i don't want to leech them with wget... *g*
15:44 < rxr> wheeeeeeeee
15:44 < rxr> Linus Torvalds <to Linux v2.6.0-test1
15:45 < rxr> once a few days out of home - one misses such things ...
15:46 < Mike1> yups
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16:19 < tcr> I might have found the problem. The ethernet card as well as that pci2usb add-in card, both share interrupt 12
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16:30 < jsaw> Mike1: I think you forgot the hotfix.patch for evolution?
16:31 < Mike1> jsaw: nope its included
16:31 < Mike1> see the patch again
16:31 * jsaw is blind
16:32 < jsaw> Mike1: other question. I thought "--enable-file-locking=flock" is best. Are you/we sure to keep that?
16:32 < Mike1> jsaw: right after changing evolution.desk
16:32 < owl> hi Mike1
16:32 < Mike1> if no one objects i have no problem.
16:33 < Mike1> hi owly
16:33 < owl> oh goth... patch-bombs written by Miguel ;)
16:33 < Mike1> almost finished.
16:33 < owl> heh, cool :)
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16:34 < knoti> rehi
16:34 < owl> wb knoti
16:34 < Mike1> owl: sorry for the bombing, i just don't have that much time for daily commits anymore
16:34 < owl> Mike1: how comes?
16:35 < Mike1> owl: many projects and contracts
16:36 < Mike1> ok one more patch and i'm finished
16:36 < owl> Mike1: k. contracts? still at informatica?
16:37 < Mike1> owl: no, /me doing contreacts and working on his own now
16:37 < owl> O_o
16:38 < Mike1> owl: all i gret from informatica is conectivity, they are now my customers for consulting
16:38 < rxr> i _hate_ rock 1.3.x ...
16:38 < owl> Mike1: ok
16:38 < owl> rxr: huh? why?
16:39 < rxr> because some vitat tools are in /usr/sbin when they belong into /sbin
16:40 < rxr> the init script reboots the machine in the case of an fs failure instead of offering a maintenance shell ...
16:40 < Mike1> ok last mail sent, patch mail bomb finished.
16:40 < rxr> ... ...
16:40 < rxr> I guess my night consists of applying patches from the last 5 days ...
16:41 < owl> have fun, rxr
16:41 < Mike1> rxr: i guess, sorry i couldn't sent patches to you before, i was so busy, and i wanted my generic to finished to make sure everything was fine.
16:43 < rxr> wll now I see the third OpenFirmware variant and all are strange
16:43 < rxr> I now used Apple NewWorld, SPARC (Ultra5) and IBM RS/6000 ...
16:46 < rxr> all are "not that useable" and/or user firendly ...
16:57 < jsaw> gnome2 update btw: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1213
16:57 < blindcoder> hi hi
16:58 < owl> wb blindcoder
16:58 < rxr> does s.o. here know how to overwrite the mac address of a network card under linux ?
16:58 < tcr> it can be done via ifconfig
16:59 < rxr> tcr: have not found the options ...
16:59 < tcr> uhm, don't ask me for the exact option, I just know it can be done, because I've seen it
16:59 < tcr> Wasn't ifconfig replaced by ip anyway?
17:00 < tcr> or some differently-named tool
17:02 < jsaw> should be "ifconfig hw <max>"
17:02 < jsaw> s/max/mac/
17:03 < rxr> tcr: yes - but this is an old 1.3 system
17:04 < rxr> it has ip - but well all this is outdated "crap" ...
17:04 < rxr> argh
17:04 < rxr> the iproute2 stuff has no man-pages !!!!!!
17:05 < tcr> rxr: There's a howto
17:05 < rxr> a missing man-page is a bug <dot>
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17:09 < jsaw> cu l8r
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17:13 < owl> O_o .oO(the nick is becoming strange, more strange, even more strange)
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17:24 < rolla> == 10:26:52 =[5]=> Building rene/vim [6.2 2.0.0-rc1].
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17:34 < Freak> owl: wow that was a long goodbye ;)
17:34 < Freak> when did she come back?
17:35 < tcr> She's stronger than ever before! And less whiny, as I had to realize
17:35 < owl> Freak: i just want to but the devs with patches and so :p
17:36 < Freak> haha
17:36 < owl> Freak: why do you laugh?
17:36 < Freak> http://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/look/fight.txt
17:36 < Freak> @ tcr
17:37 < owl> ./ignore Freak
17:37 < Freak> not to mention
17:37 < Freak> http://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/look/cunt.txt
17:37 < Freak> which is a symlink actually.. so..
17:37 < tcr> You're getting risky ;)
17:37 < Freak> nah
17:37 < knoti> could someone please write a manpage about proximities?
17:39 < Freak> why do these marktforschungsguys always call me?!
17:39 < Freak> "marktforschung".
17:39 < Freak> "phonespam" rather.
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17:40 < tcr> why? what do those market researchers ask you about?
17:40 < Freak> I dont know
17:40 < Freak> something about radio und fernsehen
17:40 < Freak> but then I keep telling them I was not interested
17:41 < tcr> And they insist nontheless?
17:41 < tcr> Until you beat them violentaly?
17:41 < Freak> ack
17:41 < Freak> hehe
17:41 < knoti> Freak: maybe they are gay and like you *g*
17:41 < Freak> yea. gay women.
17:41 < Freak> like *me*.
17:41 < Freak> right.
17:42 < tcr> wo-men
17:42 < Freak> you all suck dick!
17:42 < Freak> heh
17:42 < Mike1> Freak: pardon?!
17:42 < tcr> Well, but only yours!
17:42 < knoti> Freak: If those are women calling you, you could answer: "I don't care about your product, but could you give me your telephone number?"
17:43 < Freak> knoti: whee .. great strategy ;)
17:43 < Freak> Mike1: n/m ;)
17:47 < owl> <-- leaving office. bbl
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18:02 < fake> hrmpf
18:02 < fake> bluez-utils is not using sysconfdir, but prefix/etc/bluetooth
18:03 < fake> which results in /usr/etc/bluetooth
18:06 < SMP> nasty
18:11 < rxr> hi SMP
18:12 < rxr> fake: patch it ;-)#
18:17 < fake> i'm at it
18:17 < fake> patch has already gone upstream ;)
18:17 * rolla thinks building firebird is painful
18:17 < fake> ARGHL
18:19 < fake> the automake is broken too. wee.
18:19 < fake> automake stuff, i mean
18:20 < rxr> argh - floppies suck so much ...
18:20 < knoti> rxr: *g*
18:20 < rxr> oO
18:21 < SMP> rxr: the funny thing is, they didn't suck so much until about 7 years ago
18:21 < rxr> not only my old disk produce CRC errors - also the official disk Clifford left in the RS6000
18:21 < rxr> maybe the floppy in the box is damaged ....
18:21 < rxr> SMP: they always sucked for me - always procuded data loss ...
18:22 < rolla> yup
18:23 < rxr> ah - now I found a disk that finished a readout completely ...
18:23 < rxr> so cliffs disk is defect, too ...
18:23 < rxr> and (hopefully) not the drive ...
18:26 < rxr> oh! and it survived a fdformat ;-)
18:26 * fake off home
18:26 < fake> rxr: please wait with the bluez addition until i send that patch later
18:26 < Mike1> rxr: alright will add the *TESTED* thing to all future patches, for ur reference now, all patches i sent today are *TESTED*
18:26 < rxr> fake: I think I'll merge it when I iterate over the mails ...
18:26 < rxr> Mike1: ok
18:27 < rxr> fake: otherwise I might lose some patches if I start applying in random order ...
18:28 < fake> rxr: ok
18:28 < fake> should be ready (the patch) but have to leave now
18:28 < fake> bye
18:28 < rxr> fake: cu
18:28 < Aard> gud morning.. ;)
18:29 < rxr> moin Aard
18:30 < Mike1> hello Aard! have you got any pics of LT for us?
18:30 < Aard> Mike1: I don't have a digicam, sorry. currently no money to buy one. next year
18:31 < Mike1> Aard: ok :)
18:41 < mnemoc> re :)
18:45 < rxr> hi mnemoc
18:45 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i need ur help with autoconf... can you? =) pleeeeease
18:47 < Mike1> hehe mnemoc begging... pense que no viviria para verlo :P
18:47 < Mike1> hi mnemoc :)
18:50 < mnemoc> :)
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18:51 < mnemoc> i have no idea of m4 and this s.th is asking me to use m4_pattern_allow
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19:21 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry busy ...
19:24 < mnemoc> ok
19:24 < mnemoc> don't worry
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20:21 < christ|an> well i have got a problem with using another WM.
20:21 < christ|an> i have restarted my rocklinux.
20:21 < christ|an> logged in with username and password and typed:
20:21 < christ|an> $ startx twm
20:21 < christ|an> i got a errormsg:
20:21 < christ|an> twm - unknowen command
20:22 < christ|an> no sorry - the error msg was: "bad line option "twm""
20:22 < christ|an> is anyone able to help me with this problem?
20:23 < christ|an> i already searched in google
20:24 < rxr> sure
20:24 < christ|an> i hear :)
20:24 < rxr> there is no such options for startx ...
20:24 < rxr> christ|an: you use rock 1.7 or 2.0 ?
20:24 < christ|an> 20.
20:24 < christ|an> 2.0
20:24 < christ|an> sorry
20:25 < rxr> try WINDOWMANAGER=twm startx
20:25 < rxr> or export it before ...
20:25 < christ|an> well - let me try this first please
20:25 < christ|an> :)
20:25 < rxr> you could also write the single line containing twm in your ~/.xinitrc
20:26 < rxr> in the 2.0.0-rc1 you will be able to select it in STONE ...
20:26 < rxr> (it is already in SVN)
20:26 < christ|an> well i have made this:
20:26 < christ|an> $ WINDOWMANAGER=twm startx -- :1
20:26 < christ|an> this was oky :)
20:26 < rxr> jups
20:26 < christ|an> tanks for helping :)
20:27 < rxr> I'm also writing a ROCK Linux handbook (already got > 60 pages) explaining such things in-depth ...
20:27 < rxr> btw: the default WM is set in /etc/profile.d/windowmanager
20:27 < christ|an> thank you very much
20:27 < christ|an> can i view this handbook?
20:27 < rxr> no problem ;-)
20:28 < rxr> christ|an: I'll put version 0.0.1 of it online in some hours ...
20:28 < tcr> rxr: Uh. I imagined that handbook to become something totally different
20:28 < rxr> if you stay here or subscript the list you will hear of it
20:28 < rxr> tcr: the handbook is a user, admin and developer guide
20:28 < christ|an> i will subscript
20:29 < rxr> tcr: it will cover all aready in-depth
20:29 < christ|an> well - at first i will restart and then i will sai you my mailaddy :)
20:29 < rxr> tcr: like e.g. the FreeBSD handbook ...
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20:30 < rolla> rxr have your tried firebird mozilla?
20:31 < rxr> nope - but I added the GNOME ep* browser lately ...
20:31 < rolla> :)
20:31 < rolla> I am working on testing it for rock build
20:32 < rxr> cool - freshly build 2.4.21 running in the IBM RS/6000 ...
20:33 < rxr> rolla: nice
20:33 < rolla> if I can get it to work right I will send it on
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20:34 < christ|an> re
20:34 < rxr> cool the two network ports work now ;-)
20:34 < christ|an> so now a i have blackbox :)
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20:37 < knoti> blackbox? I would recommend ion.
20:37 < tcr> Hah, so you decided, knoti?
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20:38 < fake> aaah.
20:39 < fake> rxr: patch is sent. if you apply them in incoming order, they will work.
20:39 < rxr> fake: ok
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20:42 < knoti> tcr: I decided. I use ion now for more than three quarters of a year and I'm still satisfied and will never change :)
20:42 < knoti> tcr: Ion is the best WM around.
20:43 < tcr> knoti: Uh, I seem to confuse you with someone else, who asked me for a wm that's entirely controllable via keyboard. And I suggest him to try ratpoison as well as ion, to decide himself what suits better to him
20:43 < tcr> knoti: nak. I like ratpoison most
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20:44 < christ|an> re
20:44 < knoti> tcr: taste. I don't like ratpoison, because there are no "headlines"
20:44 < knoti> tcr: "headlines" window title bar .
20:44 < tcr> yeah got what you mean
20:45 < knoti> Can someone explain why rot E = 0  for a stationary case ?
20:46 < tcr> Omg, what're ya studying?
20:46 * fake away again, bye
20:47 < knoti> physic
20:47 < rxr> cu fake
20:51 < owl> rehi
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20:54 < christ|an> re
20:54 < owl> hi christ|an
20:55 < christ|an> hi owl
21:09 < rolla> grrr
21:09 < owl> hi grrr
21:09 < owl> how are you?
21:09 < rolla> crappy
21:09 < rolla> I hate sh scripts
21:09 < owl> why?
21:09 < rolla> I am buildin firebird
21:09 < owl> *ggg*
21:10 < rolla> but the script I have has some mismatched "
21:10 < owl> no further questions. now i can understand the "grrr"
21:11 < rolla>  cat > .mozconfig <<EOF
21:11 < rolla> something is wrong with that line
21:15 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:15 < owl> hi blindcoder
21:18 < esden> re hi all
21:19 < blindcoder> esden: wb :)
21:19 < owl> hi esden
21:32 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E26E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:32 < jsaw> re
21:32 < jsaw> hi all
21:33 < christ|an> hi jsaw
21:33 < blindcoder> wtf?
21:33 < jsaw> hi christ|an
21:34 < blindcoder> my mutt is in D State...
21:34 < jsaw> hi blindcoder , s*t happens
21:34 < owl> D ?
21:34 < jsaw> D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
21:35 < tcr> ain't D defunct?
21:35 < tcr> ah that's Z, silly me
21:35 < jsaw> Zombie
21:35 * tcr runs downstairs getting coffee, sorry guys
21:36 < knoti> getting coffee, that's a good idea
21:36 < blindcoder> it's fucking trying to send a mail to rocklinux mailinglist...
21:36 < jsaw> hehe
21:36 < blindcoder> alright, will wait till tomorrow to see if it calms down...
21:36 < blindcoder> good night everyone!
21:36 < esden> blindcoder: ????
21:37 < tcr> gn8 bc
21:37 < esden> what is going on?
21:37 * jsaw also has fun with segfaulting compilations...
21:45 * tcr doesn't. He's still in struggle with that pci2usb card and windoze
21:45 < jsaw> what win version, btw?
21:46 < tcr> well, the one that can be called good to some extend, 98se
21:46 * rolla loves his athlon
21:47 < jsaw> tcr: is 98 fit enough for shared interupts, or was the 95 that had problems with it?
21:47 < rxr> win98 good ?
21:48 < tcr> jsaw: Well, I guess so. It at least doesn't report any conflicts, though that doesnt have to mean much (it's windoze, you know ;))
21:48 < owl> hehehehehehe. guess rxr is shocked now, eh? ;)
21:48 < jsaw> tcr: 4-in-1 updated?
21:48 < rxr> when I would need to use windshit for anything I would only çonsider using a NT based one - but thanks to heaved that I had no need to choose such a thing for my own projects in the past six years or so ...
21:49 < tcr> tcr: Uh?
21:49 < owl> s/tcr/rxr
21:49 < jsaw> tcr: the Via 4-in-1 drivers, very recommended for via boards IMO!
21:50 < jsaw> s%s/tcr/rxr%s/tcr/jsaw%
21:50 < jsaw> ?
21:50 < tcr> jsaw: Uh, I used the driver from via's website
21:51 < jsaw> tcr: hmmm...
21:52 < tcr> jsaw: Well, see... I tend most to the assumption that my motherboard is just too old (the firmware, that's it). Anyway, I contacted the technical support. I mean it's both a via thingy, that card and the motherboard, so they should know best
21:55 < knoti> Does someone know where to get the draft for the european patentability act ?
21:56 < tcr> ffii.org
21:56 < Aard> re.
21:57 < tcr> moin Aard
21:57 < knoti> moin Aard
21:58 < Mike1> re
22:05 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M284P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
22:07 < rolla> re Mike1
22:08 < knoti> hmm, bei der ffii.org bekomme ich auch nur eine Inhaltsangabe, ich will den Originaltext :(
22:08 < knoti> und mein Kaffee ist auch schon wieder alle :((
22:08 < knoti> tcr: ?
22:09 < knoti> tcr: Hast Du vielleicht einen Link zum Originaltext zur Hand?
22:09 < n00kie> Hola :)
22:10 < knoti> re n00kie
22:10 < tcr> knoti: Uh, nope. Hoped it would be linked from ffii... Already searched with google?
22:10 < knoti> tcr: nope
22:11 < n00kie> re knoti
22:11 < rolla> yawn
22:15 < tcr> knoti: Just asked a friend of mine, who's more versed into that kind of subject, and he said that "the EU tends to not disclose the US/WTO/WIPO whoring acts"
22:15 < knoti> That's a big problem!
22:15 < tcr> Why? Doesn't the summary suffice?
22:15 < knoti> I don't feel like living in a democracy.
22:16 < tcr> Oh well
22:16 < knoti> tcr: How can you be sure about a summary.
22:16 < knoti> tcr: It would be like reading an manual instead of the source code :(
22:19 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm131.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux
22:20 < cchamilt> Hi
22:20 < Mike1> cchamilt: !!!!
22:21 < Mike1> hi!
22:21 < tcr> knoti: Oh well. WIPO crap stays crap.
22:21 < tcr> hey cchamilt.
22:21 < cchamilt> hi tcr
22:22 < cchamilt> I will no longer be associated with Techworx it appears.
22:22 < Mike1> 0_o
22:23 < rxr> cchamilt: Why? And which of your companies was this?
22:23 < jsaw> http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/intprop/docs/index.htm
22:23 < cchamilt> The one with Sun partnership and Ingram Micro channel.
22:24 < cchamilt> Or at least for now...
22:24 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x")
22:24 < cchamilt> They aren't getting any of my software, which is what they promissed Sun, etc. so I can only wonder what they will do.
22:25 < rxr> cchamilt: I do not understant. Do you mean "you have not delivered the software ..." ?
22:25 < cchamilt> They have contracts with Sun to develop it...
22:25 < cchamilt> I am pulling it back.
22:26 < Mike1> cchamilt: si it possible to tell what happened?
22:26 < Mike1> i'm now quite confused
22:26 < cchamilt> Simple. Nothing happened.
22:26 < cchamilt> No negotiation, no balls to even meet my on it.
22:26 < tcr> Congrats cchamilt. I think you're better off this way
22:27 * tcr hopes he used the right prepositional expression
22:27 < cchamilt> So they never paid and the software is still mine until I slap a gpl on it.
22:27 < Mike1> mmm..
22:27 < cchamilt> Well I guess it will still be mine then too.
22:27 < rolla> damn
22:27 < Mike1> cchamilt: great, so it means they won't paying either you or me.
22:28 < Mike1> won't be*
22:28 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("tschaule")
22:28 < cchamilt> Anyway, need to see how to commercialize and bring in people to work on it.
22:29 < cchamilt> I have no idea if they will pay us for what has been done.
22:29 < cchamilt> I doubt it.
22:29 < cchamilt> I promissed tll that whether they pay me or not I will take care of their support.
22:30 < cchamilt> So at least tll wont be suing techworx yet...
22:30 < Mike1> i see
22:31 < cchamilt> I just want a real test customer anyway.
22:31 * Mike1 starting to piss off at techworx...
22:31 < n00kie> Hey Mike1 :)
22:32 < Mike1> hi n00kie
22:32 < cchamilt> Anyway, need to discuss how this will effect all people that were interested.
22:32 < cchamilt> The short answer is plan B that we had.
22:33 < n00kie> How are you, Miguel? :)
22:33 < Mike1> n00kie: not very good in this moment thanks, and you ?
22:33 < n00kie> Fine, thanks
22:33 < n00kie> Why not good?
22:33 < Mike1> cchamilt: sounds fine.
22:33 < cchamilt> I would still like a nonprofit structure if many people want to help.
22:33 < Mike1> n00kie: scroolback
22:33 < n00kie> ok
22:34 < cchamilt> If it is going to be only five or so, then we may keep it a normal company for now.
22:34 * Mike1 is glad to have started the linuxlabs contract
22:34 < cchamilt> :)
22:34 < Mike1> cchamilt: yes i'm doing a new project for them so that will help me enough if techworx don't pay me
22:35 < Mike1> cchamilt: reagrding the company atm we are only 5 interested
22:35 < cchamilt> Anyway, I will be sending out a road map for anyone interested in contributing.
22:35 < Mike1> and even esden is not quite decided to join in as an "investment partner"
22:35 < cchamilt> Yes, but I want to open it up to whoever can and wants to help.
22:35 < Mike1> cchamilt: to rlml?
22:35 < cchamilt> maybe
22:36 < Mike1> or who will you send the roadmap to?
22:36 < cchamilt> It is got to be profitable early, so we must be geared to ship soon.
22:37 < cchamilt> That will make it had to gauge effort, etc. as most of it was done before investment.
22:37 < cchamilt> I will probably just post the roadmap and send urls.
22:38 < cchamilt> It isn't rock specific, that is just people I know...
22:38 < Mike1> cchamilt: is this really the best place to discuss this matters?
22:38 < cchamilt> Not sure where that would be, but no I dont think it is the best place.
22:39 < Mike1> see query
22:39 < cchamilt> Very few even have seen 'Intouch'
22:39 < Mike1> cchamilt: not much know about it
22:40 < cchamilt> Probably less than 20 people in the world...
22:41 < cchamilt> Anyway, I stillthink it is good.
22:41 < cchamilt> Oh btw, cant call it intouch.
22:45 < rxr> hm ?
22:46 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting")
22:46 < cchamilt> Intouch is Techworx's name and the theme will change for it just to be safe.
22:46 < Mike1> the theme is ugly anyways
22:47 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:47 < n00kie> wee
22:47 < n00kie> linux 2.6-test1
22:47 < n00kie> :)
22:48 -!- Scandium [~scandium@p50808AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:48 < Scandium> hi
22:48 < christ|an> re
22:49 < rxr> hi christ|an
22:49 < n00kie> wb christ|an
22:49 < n00kie> hola rxr
22:49 < christ|an> umfragemodul kommt vielleicht morgen früh gegen 10 uhr :)
22:49 < christ|an> ups
22:49 < christ|an> falscher channel *g
22:50 < christ|an> wrong channel sorry
22:54 < rxr> christ|an: you waited for the handbook ?
22:55 < christ|an> yes
22:55 < christ|an> :)
22:55 < christ|an> i will print it out immediately to read it :)
22:55 < christ|an> WHERE IS IT? :) come on :)
22:56 < rxr> it is version 0.0.1 and just a plain dump of my current work ...
22:56 < rxr> are you sure you wanna print it ?
22:56 < christ|an> yes - why not
22:57 < rxr> ah ok
22:57 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-handbook/
22:57 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAABAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all")
22:57 < rxr> read the mail on the list which will be send in some minutes ...
22:57 < christ|an> hmmm i havend subscribed the mailinglist
22:58 < rxr> btw 60 pages so far ...
22:58 -!- kuli [~kuli@dialin-145-254-175-233.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:58 < rxr> ok - post the address I will cc you ..
22:59 < christ|an> tux@linuxdev.de
23:00 < rxr> ok
23:00 < christ|an> thx :)
23:03 -!- kuli [~kuli@dialin-145-254-175-233.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ()
23:05 < rxr> sent
23:06 < christ|an> look query :)
23:06 < rxr> jups - just typed into it ...
23:06 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:08 < Scandium> rxr: seems like I joined the channel the right time, that document reads quite good although it's the first revision ;) would you guys mind if I idle here from time to time ? I am currently a developer of the Gentoo Linux distribution and I have quietly been following the rocklinux effort for some time now and some ideas are really impressing me which made me interested in the rocklinux effort ;)
23:09 < rxr> Scandium: you read it this quickly ? Or did you performed a svn checkout ?
23:09 < rxr> Scandium: sure stay arround here ;-) no problem ...
23:10 < rxr> so the RS6000 is compiling 2.0 HEAD just fine - I think it is time to go thru the tons of waiting patches on the llist ...
23:10 < Scandium> rxr: I downloaded it and I am at page 16 (didn't read it word-by-word [yet]) but from what I read yet it's a nice document ;)
23:11 < christ|an> night
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23:18 < rxr> I guess when gentoo people start reading the handbook I need to write quickly so version 0.0.2 is much more sorted and on the track I want it to be ...
23:19 < rxr> oh - I just noticed the ROCK Linux build dir on my iBook is still named rock-1.7 *lol*
23:19 < Scandium> take your time...quality is one reason why I am looking for alternatives ;-) [oops, I didn't say that ;)]
23:22 < SMP> Gentoo is obsolete, it can simply be implemented as another target in ROCK ;->
23:23 < SMP> and I'll move scripts/Emerge a bit up on my TODO ;)
23:23 < rxr> SMP: it is in my TODO, too
23:23 < SMP> lol
23:23 < rxr> but I call it Auto-Build or so ...
23:23 < rxr> or Dep-Build ... ?
23:23 < SMP> you mean a cache file parser and dependency resolver?
23:23 < SMP> no, let's call it Emerge
23:23 < SMP> seriously
23:24 < rxr> SMP: jups + downloading ...
23:24 < daja77> re
23:24 < rxr> but the -dep is optional and off by default ...
23:24 < rxr> re daja77
23:24 < rxr> SMP: just for the joke ?
23:24 < SMP> rxr: would be a damn cool one
23:25 < rxr> SMP: I corrected the Gento with ROCK comparison in the guide (not the handbook) and added some more lines
23:25 < rxr> maybe you have some more ideas for the table, too ?
23:25 < SMP> I don't know either version :)
23:25 < n00kie> lol SMP
23:26 < rxr> SMP: the guide is obsolete - and the handbook version 0.0.1 fot just released ...
23:26 < rxr> \begin{tabular}[t]{|l|l|}
23:26 < rxr> \hline
23:26 < rxr> \rock\ & Gentoo \\
23:26 < rxr> \hline
23:26 < rxr> Bash based & Python based \\
23:26 < rxr> chroot build & chroot build \\
23:26 < rxr> \rock\ 'Bash' based package system & 'Makefile' based package system \\
23:27 < rxr> developer oriented & end-user oriented \\
23:27 < rxr> automated package build & each package needs a full ebuild script \\
23:27 < rxr> autodetected dependencies & hardcoded dependencies \\
23:27 < rxr> installable build output & rebuild on each system \\
23:27 < rxr> cluster build & na \\
23:27 < rxr> targets can perform custom builds & na \\
23:27 < rxr> \hline
23:27 < rxr> \end{tabular}
23:27 < daja77> *argl*
23:28 < SMP> rxr: looks good, I don't know Gentoo well enough to comment further. maybe Scandium has any ideas ..
23:28 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M284P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal")
23:29 < rxr> daja77: sorry - I do not wanted to forve people do download the full pdf to take a look ...
23:30 < daja77> hmm why can't we download tex file?
23:32 < rxr> daja77: you can - just point your browser to the SVN repo ...
23:32 < daja77> 2ok
23:32 < daja77> atm I don't wanna :)
23:33 < rxr> and I just wanted to quote the lines ...
23:33 < daja77> it is more fun if we flood the chan together ;-)
23:34 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.209.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:34 < cytrinox> hi
23:35 < daja77> cool sven guckes dropped me a photo
23:35 < daja77> http://ihsan.dogan.ch/symlink/LinuxTag-2k3/Donnerstag/1dsc00042.jpg
23:36 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x")
23:40 < daja77> my generic build completed
23:40 < daja77> 849 builds total, 831 completed fine, 18 with errors.
23:41 < cytrinox> can i speak german here? :)
23:41 < rxr> cytrinox: if it is very important to do so ...
23:42 < rxr> daja77: looks good - if you could fix some of the errors that would be perfect ...
23:42 * rxr starting applying patches from the list ...
23:42 < daja77> hehe, btw you said you fixed kdemultimedia but it is still borken here
23:43 < daja77> I'll look at the error details later
23:43 < daja77> <- tired
23:43 < cytrinox> daja77: auf dem foto, der in der mitte, wie hie? der? hab seinen namen vergessen :(
23:43 < daja77> you mean clifford?
23:44 < cytrinox> yes :)
23:44 < daja77> philipp, clifford and me ...
23:45 < rxr> daja77: coudl you post the tail -n 30 of the kdemultimedia build into a query ?
23:45 < daja77> yepp
23:45 < cytrinox> is was on his laptop on sunday :) you remember?
23:47 < daja77> you are one of the two boys whom we helped with rock install?
23:48 < Mike1> hi daja77
23:48 < cytrinox> yes :)
23:48 < daja77> hi Mike1
23:48 < daja77> ic
23:48 < Mike1> daja77: you are quite popular since LT for what i heard
23:48 < Mike1> :)
23:49 < daja77> hmmm ... hope I don't need security people now *ggg*
23:49 < Mike1> daja77: too late
23:49 < daja77> damn
23:49 * Mike1 points daja77with his water pistol
23:50 < Mike1> daja77: make ur last wish
23:50 < daja77> I wanna hit Mike1 with a baseball bat ...
23:50 < rxr> Mike1: we had far too less people at the booth - and to less posters or so on the walls ..
23:50 < rxr> we need to work on thie for next year ...
23:50 < daja77> too less, you mean none at all ...
23:51 < Mike1> rxr: business is moving, so i spect good results, i will sponsor some 4 for getting more pr stuff
23:51 < Aard> daja77: nah, one `LinuxTag'-poster was there
23:51 < Mike1> rxr: hopefully i will be present as well
23:51 < daja77> but we haven't 40kg of t-shirts over like the debian guys ...
23:52 < daja77> Aard: no rock related poster, + the lt poster was only there some hours
23:52 < daja77> btw have you tried it?
23:53 < Aard> daja77: I had no time. had to go to a custumoer after training at 18:00 :(
23:54 < daja77> d'oh
23:54 < Mike1> daja77: btw where are my pics?
23:54 < daja77> I haven't made any, ask fake and rxr
23:55 < Aard> daja77: I have a p233 next to me, waiting until I have some time...
23:56 < daja77> 2ok :)
23:58 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps")
23:59 * daja77 hits himself with a cluestick
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