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00:12 < daja77> ok mail sent, time to go to bed
00:12 < daja77> n8
00:13 < rxr> cu daja77
00:13 < cytrinox> gn8 daja77
00:33 < Mike1> bye
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00:42 < Scandium> does rocklinux have a feature that is equivalent to gentoo's USE-flags ? as an example let's take mozilla...If I compile Mozilla it usually builds against gtk+-1.2.x (and that's what your package does) but it also has gtk+-2 support...In gentoo, you just add "gtk2" to your use flags and if a package (like mozilla) supports it, it automagically adds a dep to gtk+-2 and builds against it...that needs to be done manually in rock, or am I m
00:45 < rxr> the current SVN HEAD uses gtk+2 for mozilla
00:46 < Scandium> yes, but that follows the "it is used like the package maintainer thinks it's best for you"-principle, doesn't it ?
00:46 < rxr> since there are only a few cases where such options are really usefull (e.g. alsa vs. oss) we mostly do not have such stuff
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00:47 < rxr> so yes - here the package maintainer usually has to decide what options are usefull and can export them so the Configuration program displays thwm (like linux menuconfig)
00:48 < rxr> but general options for alsa vs. oss, devfs (on|off), ... could be added generally and the packages which are able to strip soem features quickly adapted to use these options ...
00:48 < rxr> s/usefull/useful/ ...
00:48 < rxr> owl: still here ?
00:52 < Scandium> ok..perhaps I just overrate that a bit because I am very used to them...although I have to admit that it's a good idea to have them (e.g. as a maintainer you have to include gnupg support in your mail client, because many people will need it, but the use flag allows me to just disable it with a configure option or whatever if I don't use encryption at all)...but built-in features that aren't used don't harm anything in most cases, so ;)
00:53 < Scandium> (of course I can modify the package to whatever I like, but from a do-it-automatically point of view)
01:22 < rxr> Scandium: yes - but if you really want to disable gnupg support for all packages?
01:22 < rxr> and i gentoo you can also not be sure that this package will actually make use of the option, right?
01:22 < Scandium> you can
01:22 < Scandium> if you call emerge with -v (verbose) it displays you what use flag it uses like this:
01:23 < rxr> from a theoretical point of view ROCK has the same - using the config stuff - just that nobody here ever needed it
01:23 < rxr> Scandium: ah ok - I can imagine ...
01:23 < Scandium> rainer@scandium rainer $ emerge -pv xine-lib ---> [ebuild   R  ] media-libs/xine-lib-1_beta12  +arts +esd +avi +nls +dvd -aalib +X +directfb +oggvorbis -alsa
01:25 < knoti> David Lynch movies are the greatest!
01:26 < Freak> ack
01:27 < Freak> how come you had to state that now?
01:29 < schasi> €grml
01:30 < schasi> messing up with windows is fun, but trying to work with it... nah that damn hard
01:31 < knoti> Freak: I just came home from cinema looking "Lost Highway"
01:32 < knoti> Freak: It was freaky ;>
01:33 < Freak> ah ic
01:33 < Freak> heh
01:36 < knoti> good night
01:40 < Freak> n8
01:58 < esden> hi all
01:59 < esden> anyone alive?
01:59 < Freak> yup
01:59 < Freak> but I bet I cant help you :)
01:59 < esden> hehe ... I was not looking for help ..
01:59 < Freak> or were you only about to chat :)
01:59 < esden> I was only asking if anyone is alive
01:59 < Freak> good :)
01:59 < Freak> heh
01:59 < esden> I can in most cases help myself ;-)
02:00 < esden> do not worry
02:00 < esden> RTFM and RTFS are your friend 
02:00 < esden> s
02:00 < Freak> hehehe
02:01 < Freak> I will mention that next time you call for help here ;P
02:03 < schasi> RTFS?
02:05 < esden> Freak: :P
02:05 < esden> schasi: Read The Fscking Source
02:05 < esden> the source is the real documentation
02:05 < esden> it is most recent and acurate
02:06 < schasi> you can read the source?
02:06 < schasi> huh? i dont understand
02:07 < Freak> lol
02:07 < Freak> how would I be able to read the source!?
02:07 < Freak> ;)))
02:08 < esden> Freak: RTFB is also a solution if you do not have the source
02:08 < Freak> hehe
02:08 < esden> schasi: before you ask the B stands for Binary ;-)
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02:09 < schasi> may the source be with you...
02:13 < Freak> n8
02:13 < esden> may the hex code be with you ...
02:13 < esden> or bette
02:13 < esden> r
02:13 < esden> may the hexdump be with you
02:13 < schasi> wtf is hexdump?
02:14 < esden> schasi: man hexdump
02:14 < schasi> id really admit if ud explain it to me.
02:14 < schasi> no linux currently running
02:14 < esden> argh ... schasi you still have not changed that?
02:14 < esden> what are you waiting for?
02:14 < schasi> or give me at last the manpage
02:15 < schasi> well i have some strange problems with linux
02:15 < schasi> computers dont like me
02:16 < esden> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?hexdump+1
02:16 < schasi> and sometimes i think "mir ist nicht mehr zu helfen" with linux and win and computers... they just fail if im around
02:17 < esden> and here something that is showing how hexdump works:
02:17 < esden> weasel@apollo:~$ hexdump /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17 | head -n 1
02:17 < esden> 0000000 c0b8 8e07 b8d8 9000 c08e 00b9 2901 29f6
02:17 < esden> weasel@apollo:~$ 
02:18 < esden> it is taking the words in the binary file and writes the hexadecimal codes of them to the console
02:18 < esden> with hexdump I mean hexadecimal interpretation of a binary file
02:18 < schasi> thx
02:18 < ringo78> schasi: try debug in windows :)
02:18 < esden> s/interpretation/representation/
02:18 < schasi> i see
02:19 < schasi> but that he gives me the file in hexcode is not written in the man page, or am i wrong?
02:19 < esden> ringo78: ddd4win
02:19 < esden> ;-)
02:19 < esden> schasi: yes it is in the manpage
02:19 < esden> or I am blind ;-)
02:21 < schasi> they just talk about a user specific format, not in hex, if i read correctly
02:22 < schasi> well but thx for help
02:23 < schasi> now i know what hexdump is ^^
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02:23 < esden> schasi: you are learning all your life ... and die stupid ;-)
02:24 * -> esden downloading 2.6.0-test1
02:24 * schasi wondering how "stable" test is and why it came out so quick(ly)
02:24 < schasi> quick or quickly?
02:26 < mnemoc> esden: 2.6.0 what? kernel?
02:26 < esden> quickly
02:26 < esden> mnemoc: yes kernel
02:26 < schasi> yes
02:27 < esden> I want to test it
02:27 < mnemoc> wow
02:27 < schasi> the new one linux torwalds made since he is paid by that linux foundation
02:27 < schasi> woa my brain lost connection to the rest of my body i guess
02:27 < schasi> i dont ge a ping
02:27 < schasi> +
02:27 < schasi> t
02:28 < mnemoc> doh
02:28 < esden> I really ask myself why it has been released so abruptly
02:28 < esden> or how it is called
02:28 < schasi> yes thats right i think
02:28 < esden> schasi: isn't he working for transmeta anymore?
02:28 < schasi> no. thats why it came out so fast
02:29 < schasi> he is now paid by a foundation sponsored by hp, ibm and other big comps
02:30 < esden> hmm ... so finally linus is working full time on the kernel ...
02:30 < schasi> yes
02:30 < schasi> you german?
02:30 < esden> I never expected that ... he did not want to make linux to his full time job ... at least he was saying that all the time
02:30 < esden> nope I am not german
02:30 < schasi> k
02:31 < schasi> the news is on heise.de
02:31 < schasi> but you should find it elsewhere too
02:31 < esden> ahh ... *click*
02:31 < schasi> ^^
02:32 < schasi> woa my 233 mhz dell laptop rulez
02:32 < schasi> at least the batteries last longer than one houer
02:32 < schasi> hour
02:35 < schasi> well be so kind to give me the news too if you found it
02:35 < esden> if I fount what?
02:35 < esden> I found the article on heise ... and reading it now ... if you mean that ...
02:36 < schasi> gimme the url pleese
02:36 < schasi> i thought you dont speak german?
02:37 < esden> I have not said that ;-)
02:37 < esden> I only said that I am not german *G*
02:38 < esden> I speak, read and write german fluently ... ok ... if fake would be here he would say that it is not true but that is a different chapter ;-)
02:38 < schasi> so the link it is please
02:38 < esden> the linus changes to OSDL article is this one here: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-17.06.03-000/
02:40 < esden> and the 2.6 release post: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ola-14.07.03-001/
02:40 < schasi> well thats why 2.6 came out so fast
02:40 < schasi> is it able to get the whole kernel, or just a patch?
02:42 < esden> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0-test1.tar.bz2 <-- here is the download url ;-)
02:43 < schasi> you already have itß
02:44 < esden> yupp
02:44 < esden> now extracting
02:47 < schasi> please tell me how he is if you are done
02:47 < schasi> fuck i should have gone to bed 3 hours ago
02:48 * -> esden too
02:48 < schasi> you have to work tomorrow too?
02:49 < schasi> im on a placement
02:50 < esden> noo ... I do not have to go to work ... but I have to check how they corrected an exam I wrote ...
02:50 < esden> perhups I can get out some points 
02:50 < esden> that would be nice
02:58 < schasi> well my notebooks cdrom is damaged, so i dont try to repair it anymore and go to bed. cu then
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03:01 < rolla> re
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03:01 < rolla> esden:
03:14 < esden> ok ... /me -> bed
03:14 < esden> good night .. 
03:15 < esden> rolla let's talk about your alpha problem tomorrow
03:15 < esden> I really need sleep
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06:23 < knoti> moin
07:08 < blindcoder> moin
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07:39 < Mike1^home> hi
07:39 < mnemoc> mike?
07:39 < mnemoc> go to sleep!! now
07:40 < Mike1^home> hi mnemoc
07:40 < Mike1^home> sleep?
07:40 * Mike1^home laughts
07:40 < mnemoc> :|
07:41 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: why should i go to sleep my friend?
07:41 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: wanna guess what am i doing?
07:42 < mnemoc> coding?
07:42 < Mike1^home> ack :)
07:42 < Mike1^home> i can see u ahving ur own party with linux 2.6 test1 :)
07:43 < mnemoc> just one failed test :(
07:43 < Mike1^home> and u will give up that easily?
07:43 < mnemoc> i'm hacking gcc right now :)
07:44 < Mike1^home> ah good, that the mnemoc i know
07:44 < mnemoc> of course not, but the TODO is FAT
07:44 < Mike1^home> tell me about todo lists i think i will hardly 6 hours of sleep from now till saturday.. in total..
07:45 < Mike1^home> hardly get*
07:45 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: u see not all the things i do are exactly non comercial, so time lines are killing me
07:47 < mnemoc> mainly fix current mnemoc/ (rsbac, vquota); mono; misc/initstyle; grsecurity; and other 28 nice packages...
07:47 < Mike1^home> mm..
07:47 < Mike1^home> i need to add around 5 more packages and thats all about it
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07:48 < mnemoc> :)
07:48 < Mike1^home> gnome2, gnome14 and the work i need to do on the 2 targets i work on is enough work
07:48 < Mike1^home> of course there is the fact that i keep working on pissing u guys off trying to have the tree updated
07:49 < mnemoc> currently i'm trying to patch gcc* to use system's boehm-gc instead of packed one (quite old)
07:50 < Mike1^home> i see
07:50 < mnemoc> i hate the idea of having packages with different versions of the same shit
07:50 < Mike1^home> so do i
07:50 < Mike1^home> btw have u used evolution 1.4? :)
07:50 < mnemoc> i'm using gc-6.2 for mono, so i will have gc-6.2 in gcj ;)
07:51 < mnemoc> never
07:51 < Mike1^home> u are using mono?
07:51 < mnemoc> not yet, but i work with c# and i hate IIS :)
07:52 < Mike1^home> hehe
07:53 < Mike1^home> if it makes u feel any better i'm porting a redhat app to debian
07:53 < mnemoc> doh
07:54 < Mike1^home> ah its ok i'm learning a lot
07:54 < Mike1^home> and its fun
07:54 < Mike1^home> will learn alot about MPI, won't use PVM that much anymore
07:55 < mnemoc> chinise :)
07:55 < Mike1^home> ?
07:55 < mnemoc> MPI,PVM... i'm too sleepy to undestard what you mean
07:56 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: maybe the word "clusters" can give u a clue
07:56 < mnemoc> yep :)
07:57 < Mike1^home> hehe ok so u seriously should sleep
07:57 < mnemoc> ok... i'll go to sleep....
07:57 < mnemoc> happy coding night Mik1
07:57 < Mike1^home> i don't want to scream at ur patches with dirty code because u made then asleep :P
07:57 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: sleep well my friend :)
07:57 < mnemoc> o_O
07:58 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: i was joking about the screaming thing
07:58 * mnemoc kicks Mike1^home 
07:58 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: hehe nice way to say bye
07:58 < mnemoc> :)
07:58 < mnemoc> bye
07:58 < Mike1^home> mnemoc: we talk tomorrow
07:58 < Mike1^home> bye
07:58 * Mike1^home also leaves
07:58 < Mike1^home> back to code :)
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08:11 < blindcoder> gah, missed him >_<
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08:22 < christ|an> good morning
08:22 < blindcoder> moin moin
08:22 < christ|an> how are yo?
08:22 < blindcoder> fine ^^
08:23 < christ|an> :) good good - nice to hear
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08:26 < christ|an> re
08:27 < christ|an> :)
08:27 < blindcoder> what happened?
08:27 < christ|an> i have made this:
08:27 < christ|an> $ su
08:28 < christ|an> pressed the "up arrow" to get my last command
08:28 < christ|an> the last command i have typed in yesterday was "halt" *g
08:28 < christ|an> i thought it was the command to start my lamp
08:28 < christ|an> :)
08:28 < christ|an> and now you can lol
08:28 < christ|an> *g
08:41 < blindcoder> oh...
08:41 < blindcoder> bad luck ^^
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09:16 < owl> hi
09:17 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:17 < owl> fuck! this school is so [insert_most_horrible_schimpfwort_here] *jumping out of window*
09:19 < christ|an> lol
09:19 < christ|an> hi owl
09:19 < owl> hi christ|an
09:19 < christ|an> how are you?
09:19 < owl>  /* no comment */
09:19 < owl> you?
09:19 < christ|an> hmmm good :)
09:20 * owl ph34rs christ|an 
09:20 < christ|an> i have got school toady - then i feel always good :)
09:21 < christ|an> well - are you in school at the moment?
09:22 < owl> yes
09:22 < christ|an> hehe - and why is school "boring"?
09:22 < owl> 8 senseless hours... even more senseless than "normal" life
09:22 < owl> *sigh*
09:22 < owl> christ|an: because it is
09:23 < owl> (why is the world !(flat)? - because it is... ) -- you see
09:23 < christ|an> well - are the teachers boring or are the things they try to teach you boring?
09:23 < christ|an> or both? *g
09:24 < owl> a) the teachers are not trying to teach. they are just in this room because to be there.
09:24 < owl> b) the stuff we should do (ms-access-database-annoying-with-sql) is boring.
09:24 < owl> c) everything is boring
09:24 < owl> d) school is shit
09:24 < owl> e) most of $class = idiot4
09:25 < christ|an> hmmmm
09:25 < christ|an> okay
09:25 < christ|an> :)
09:25 < owl> f) most of $class = windows-user && "stupid white man" - as in "ignorant assholes"
09:25 < christ|an> ms access is really boring :)
09:25 < christ|an> lol
09:25 < owl> yes... and this school and shit and everything and *ARGH*
09:25 < owl> school causes depression. shit.
09:27 < christ|an> i know  know :)
09:28 < christ|an> owl: have you got a dialect? *g
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09:28 < owl> christ|an: a bit, i guess. why?
09:28 < christ|an> bayrisch? :)
09:28 < christ|an> lol
09:29 < christ|an> nice nice its always funny to hear :)
09:29 < christ|an> but nevermind :)
09:29 * owl kicks christ|an 
09:29 < christ|an> when you would hear me speaking you would laugth too :)
09:30 < owl> hm. don't think so.
09:34 < fake> mornin'
09:34 < owl> hi fake
09:35 < christ|an> hi fake :)
09:36 * netrunne1 needs to mention that he has now holidays.
09:37 * owl needs to mention, that netrunne1 will not survive the day. 
09:37 < owl> netrunne1: where do you live? /me is in "amok-laeufer"-mood now
09:37 < blindcoder> moin fake
09:37 < blindcoder> hi netrunne1
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09:38 * netrunner gives owl esden's adress
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09:39 * owl takes a sword, and begins a fight with netrunner 
09:39 < owl> netrunner: why esden's adress?
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09:59 < owl> hi DeElsasser
09:59 < DeElsasser> hi all
10:00 < DeElsasser> yes, dsl works :-)))
10:01 < owl> hm. dsl... lsd.. *har*
10:02 < DeElsasser> %-/
10:03 < owl> hm?
10:04 < DeElsasser> since 3 weeks, I haven't internet ...
10:04 < owl> hm. k.
10:04 < DeElsasser> you know what, I'm happy
10:04 < owl> hmm. nice for you
10:05 < owl> oh goth... the people in this class are so stupid... *crying*
10:05 < DeElsasser> zen
10:06 < owl> zen? nah. gun.
10:06 < DeElsasser> 1177 mails to read, impossible :-(
10:07 < DeElsasser> i hope it's only spam ;-)
10:07 < owl> hope dies in the end...
10:08 < DeElsasser> hein?
10:08 < blindcoder> hi DeElsasser
10:08 < DeElsasser> hi blindy
10:08 < owl> hein?
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10:08 < DeElsasser> hope dies in the end?
10:08 < owl> hmm. whatever.
10:09 * owl has break now. 
10:09 < DeElsasser> you hope I die in the end?
10:09 < owl> bbl (or not. or maybe. or whatever. )
10:09 < owl> nah
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10:15 < daja77> hi DeElsasser
10:15 < DeElsasser> hi daja77
10:15 < DeElsasser> entlich asd
10:19 < daja77> DeElsasser: how are you
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10:31 < owl> rehi
10:35 < DeElsasser> daja77: I'm about downloading all what I miss since 3 weeks...
10:36 < DeElsasser> sonst geht's gut :-)
10:36 < owl> oh yeah... german... another senseless lession :-(((
10:36 < DeElsasser> and you, how are you?
10:36 < christ|an> lol
10:36 < owl> hm?
10:37 < daja77> DeElsasser: I am fine, I slept this night :)
10:38 < DeElsasser> dajasruhe after karlsruhe
10:41 < DeElsasser> see you later
10:43 < daja77> hehe cu
10:44 < fake> ahm
10:44 < fake> hi daja77!
10:44 < daja77> hi fake
10:44 < daja77> :)
10:45 < daja77> hmm strange not seeing fake sitting next to me while chatting :))
10:45 < owl> hoeh?
10:46 < daja77> hi owl
10:46 < owl> hi daja77
10:47 < owl> .oO(those guys are at least able to play stupid games... but every amoebe is more clever than them... )
10:47 < fake> daja77: feels better, eh? ;)
10:47 < daja77> hehehe ...
10:48 < daja77> well I had no problems with that ...
10:49 < daja77> you all know the rock booth picture sven guckes sent to me?
10:53 < fake> daja77: no?!
10:54 < daja77> http://ihsan.dogan.ch/symlink/LinuxTag-2k3/Donnerstag/1dsc00042.jpg
10:55 < daja77> cool it is picture #42, perfect
10:56 < fake> yeah, kewl ;)
10:59 < fake> any more pics seeked out already?
10:59 < daja77> 185 new mails on the list >_<
11:00 < daja77> nope, but I got a mail from clifford, that he is looking for more pics
11:01 < fake> rene made some, IIRC, and ripclaw
11:01 < daja77> yepp
11:01 * daja77 has no cam :-(
11:02 < fake> me neither, and i don't want one
11:02 < owl> y?
11:02 < fake> the challenge just hit stage 9
11:02 < fake> owl: i live for the moment, those can't be conserved by taking photos.
11:03 < owl> hmm.
11:03 < fake> owl: whenever you take a photo you are not really 'there'
11:03 < owl> that's true... but you feel reminded to the stuff, which happened
11:04 < fake> i think i can remember stuff only if i was really 'there'
11:05 < owl> hmm. k.
11:05 < daja77> fake: I thought you asked for more photos ...
11:06 < daja77> btw memories are fading anyway ...
11:06 < fake> daja77: pictures are the only worthy content of my webside.
11:07 < daja77> hehe, well change that
11:07 < daja77> which hp, btw
11:08 < daja77> fake: the challenge is an sgi box?
11:09 < fake> daja77: fake.by-infonet.de/pics/
11:10 < fake> daja77: yes
11:11 * daja77 just realizing that we had no name signs for linuxtag ...
11:12 < daja77> ah and we once had posters ..
11:16 < daja77> btw nice fast hp
11:18 < owl> gnaaa.. school
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11:46 * blindcoder back
11:48 < rxr> re
11:49 < blindcoder> hi rxr
11:52 < daja77> hi rxr, blindcoder
11:53 < daja77> have to leave now
11:53 < daja77> cu
11:59 * fake building 2.6.0-test1
12:00 < fake> rxr: did you apply my last bluez-patch-mail reg. sysconfdir & mandir also? got no applied-mail...
12:02 < rxr> fake: erh - I think so - mom checking ...
12:03 < rxr> jups are applied.
12:03 < rxr> you could recheck in svn HEAD ...
12:09 < fake> rxr: i'm @sun, only proxy here
12:09 < fake> and some nasty ssh1 proxy that doesnt know of ssh firwarding
12:11 < blindcoder> fake: no transconnect possible?
12:15 < fake> blindocder: *lol*, no
12:16 < blindcoder> what's so funny?
12:21 < fake> nah, nevermind
12:21 < blindcoder> hrm... k
12:24 < rxr> fake: you are "at sun" ?
12:25 < blindcoder> or "on his way to _the_ sun" :)
12:27 < fake> rxr: sun heimstetten
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12:37 < knoti> hi
12:50 < fake> brb, rebooting into 2.6.0-test1
12:53 < knoti> fake: *NEID*
12:53 < knoti> fake: grrrr
12:56 < jsaw> re
12:56 < rxr> hi jsaw
12:56 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:57 < jsaw> rxr: do u have updates for sylpheed and wv2 already yourself, or shall I send them in?
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13:04 < rxr> jsaw: nope please send them ;-)
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13:14 < rxr> 89.68 GB
13:14 < rxr> transferd on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de this months so far ;-)
13:14 < jsaw> !
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13:16 < blindcoder> nice
13:18 < rxr> 225.96 GB since May ...
13:21 < SMP> hi
13:22 < blindcoder> hi SMP
13:24 < jsaw> off 2 work, cu l8r
13:31 < fake> knoti: it's sweet
13:31 < fake> SMP: mornin!
13:36 < knoti> fake: ppc -> benhkernel for sleep mode -> 2.4.xx *gRR*
13:36 < fake> benhkernel? am i supposed to know what that is?
13:37 < knoti> Benjamin Herrenschmidt is the one how ports the kernel to ppc, his development kernel is cutting edge for ppc. Sure there is a ppc 2.6 but there are drivers and patches missing.
13:38 < knoti> With all the changes in 2.6 they will not be easy to apply.
13:43 < fake> aw, i see.
13:43 < fake> ppc is one of the few architectures i am missing ;)
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13:52 < jsaw> re
13:53 < knoti> http://www.bash.org/?104383
13:53 < knoti> read it
13:55 < blindcoder> well, the usual shit that goes on on IRC wherever cs in involved
13:56 < knoti> blindcoder: yeah, but it's worth a laugh.
13:57 < blindcoder> well, bash.org is full of those, and once you read through it all it isn't really funny anymore...
14:01 < fake> i think it's amusing
14:04 < knoti> blindcoder: Maybe you're right, it was the first time I read something like this.
14:04 < knoti> blindcoder: And it was funny!
14:05 < blindcoder> yes, it is funny when you read it front to back the first time ^^
14:09 < knoti> *g*
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14:33 < rolla> re
14:34 < fake> re rolla
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14:40 < fake> hi tcr
14:40 < tcr> moin all
14:41 < tcr> fake: :P You're a potentially infected by the TOFU desease, or was your last mail just an exception?
14:42 < blindcoder> hehe
14:43 < fake> tcr: an exception
14:43 < fake> tcr: i was in a hurry
14:46 < tcr> fake: Ok. ;) It's just that TOFU costs me much time, time I generally don't intend to spend
14:47 < fake> tcr: then don't read mails, that saves a lot of time.
14:49 < tcr> fake: No, I like reading mails very much
14:51 < fake> tcr: that's a problematic situation....
14:52 < tcr> fake: Not really. Tofu costs time I wouldn't have to spend if the particular mail were quoted properly
14:53 < fake> tcr: narf.
14:54 < tcr> fake: See, I'm _not_ one of those people who flame people writing not 100% "correct" emails. I hate tofu from a practical point of time, and I think it ain't very hard to get it right
14:55 < tcr> fake: If it has been an exception, hey, then forget about it--that's all I wanted to know :)
14:56 * blindcoder going home
14:56 < blindcoder> baba
14:57 < tcr> cu blindcoder
14:57 < SMP> hmm
14:57 < SMP> tcr: do you know how well rockplug handles USB flash sticks?
14:58 < tcr> I haven't yet come into the flavor of rockplug.
14:58 < SMP> ? you co-developed it?
14:59 < tcr> nope, authors are rxr and jsaw
14:59 < SMP> oh, I mixed that up
14:59 < tcr> Heh
14:59 < fake> SMP: wait a second
14:59 < fake> i'll pop mine in
15:00 < SMP> well that works even without rockplug
15:00 < SMP> but without some hotplug framework it leaves a dangling scsi drive when removed
15:00 < fake> SMP: it doesnt load usbstorage
15:01 < SMP> *sigh*
15:02 < fake> err
15:02 < fake> i am not sure wether i _have_ rockplug, as i just notice
15:03 < fake> *screetch,screetch*
15:04 < fake> well
15:04 < fake> i do have it
15:05 < fake> and it is a incredibly useful package indeed:
15:05 < fake> root@jii:~# mine -l rockplug
15:05 < fake> rockplug: var/adm/cksums/rockplug
15:05 < fake> rockplug: var/adm/dependencies/rockplug
15:05 < fake> rockplug: var/adm/descs/rockplug
15:05 < fake> rockplug: var/adm/flists/rockplug
15:05 < fake> rockplug: var/adm/md5sums/rockplug
15:05 < fake> rockplug: var/adm/packages/rockplug
15:05 < fake> -- fullstop.
15:05 < SMP> hrhr
15:07 < fake> rebuilding...
15:13 < esden> hi ho everyone
15:13 < knoti> Where can I read about the package management of rocklinux ?
15:13 < fake> aw.
15:13 < fake> now it compiled fine.
15:14 < tcr> knoti: What do you want to know?
15:14 < knoti> tcr: I just want to get an overview.
15:16 < tcr> knoti: wait
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15:16 < fake> err... am i supposed to guess how rockplug works?
15:17 < fake> rxr: didn't you say yesterday, that not having a man page is a bug?> then rockplug is biggy ;)
15:17 < fake> buggy
15:18 < tcr> knoti: I _dont_ know if it's handled there, but nevertheless take a look at the first draft of the rock linux handbook: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-handbook/rock-handbook-0.0.1.pdf
15:18 < knoti> tcr: thanks
15:19 < jsaw> fake: rockplug is complete here. what rev are u using?
15:19 < fake> the .3
15:20 < fake> jsaw: how do i tell the kernel to use it?
15:20 < jsaw> fake: eh, I mean svn
15:20 < fake> i use the tarball
15:21 < jsaw> echo /sbin/rockplug > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug (should be somewhere in the init scripts)
15:22 < fake> yeahm just found the README in the tarball... why isn;t this copied to /usr/share/doc ?
15:22 < fake> gonna look into that
15:22 < jsaw> good question. adding it to my TODO.
15:24 < jsaw> fake: There should also be an option in stone IIRC (/me currently only concerned with rockplug itself, not how to integrate into rock dist... :(
15:30 < daja77> re
15:32 < daja77> fake: what hw is in the cobalt box?
15:33 < fake> daja77: an R4K BigEndian, nothing too wild.
15:33 < fake> basically it's an indy
15:33 < daja77> what kind of arch, mips?
15:33 < fake> sure
15:34 < daja77> hehe
15:38 < fake> SMP: desn;t seem to work here
15:40 < knoti> re daja
15:41 < knoti> are all packages of rock linux tested on ppc ?
15:41 < daja77> think so
15:42 < knoti> What init system are you using?
15:42 < daja77> sysv
15:43 < daja77> unfortunatly ...
15:43 < rolla> daja77:
15:43 < rolla> was gibt's?
15:43 < daja77> hi rolla
15:43 < knoti> will there be a mozilla-firebird package in near future ?
15:43 < daja77> what's that?
15:43 < rolla> knoti: I am working on that right now
15:44 < knoti> daja77: It's the smallest mozilla you can get i think.
15:44 < knoti> rolla: Did you try to link it agains dietlibc so far?
15:44 < rolla> knoti: it is just the browser part
15:44 < rolla> knoti: nope
15:44 < daja77> ah okis
15:44 < rolla> yup
15:45 < rolla> I am build it first out side of rock then to move it into the rock build
15:45 < daja77> rolla: I am fine, just returned from linuxtag yesterday
15:45 < rolla> very cool
15:45 < daja77> nod
15:46 < daja77> where have you been last week?
15:46 < rolla> holliday
15:46 < daja77> ah cool
15:46 < daja77> where have you been, then?
15:46 < rolla> Virgina
15:47 < daja77> east coast ...
15:47 < tcr> knoti: I think dietclib is far away from big applications like mozilla
15:49 < SMP> fake: hm
15:49 < daja77> tcr: well we should try it at least
15:49 < fake> SMP: or i am too stupid.
15:49 < fake> SMP: or both.
15:49 < knoti> tcr: Emacs does compile with dietlibc, so I will try when I have the time.
15:50 < tcr> knoti: Anyway, you should ask people more versed in that subject, like Aard and esden
15:51 < knoti> tcr: ok
15:51 < rolla> knoti: why bother it is only emacs ;)
15:51 < knoti> rolla: grrr *g*
15:51 < daja77> *lol*
15:52 < rolla> knoti: emacs == waste of code
15:53 < daja77> rolla the flamer ...
15:53 < tcr> flam0r
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15:55 < daja77> hi Ge0rG :)
15:55 < Ge0rG> hi guys
15:56 * Ge0rG has converted a ppc user to rock right now... I hope beta6 works good there ;)
15:56 < daja77> cool
15:57 < daja77> convert the xbox project to ...
15:57 < tcr> Ge0rG, daja77: I guess that nothing has been estabilished concerning rock on ice, err, xbox? ;)
15:58 < daja77> tcr: nope we were too much involved with booth business :-(
15:58 < Ge0rG> tcr: nope, I'm really sorry, but we had so much pressure at our booth :(
15:58 < daja77> after exams I could try ...
15:58 < tcr> hmm "Rock on Ice" that could develop to a good slogan for the planned tshirt.
15:59 < tcr> We just need something that can be related to that
16:00 < daja77> Ge0rG: maybe we can meet in summer to hack a bit, what do you think?
16:00 < Ge0rG> daja77: chaos camp?
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16:00 < daja77> nope ...
16:01 < tcr> Ge0rG is also an Ossi?
16:01 < Ge0rG> daja77: talk mist into going there ;)
16:01 * daja77 kicks tcr 
16:01 < dreamind> Hi
16:02 < daja77> waaa, what a traffic at xbox chan
16:02 < rolla> daja77: I am never the flamer ;)
16:02 < daja77> no?
16:03 < tcr> daja77: :P
16:03 < tcr> rolla ain't a flam0r, but a permanent complain0r ;)
16:05 < rolla> tcr: ouch
16:05 < rolla> that hurts
16:05 < daja77> muhahahaha, you get hurt by things tcr said, strange ...
16:05 < Ge0rG> makes the eyes burn ;)
16:05 < tcr> rolla: inasmuch as?
16:05 < rolla> I am a sensitive guy
16:05 < daja77> *lol*
16:06 < tcr> Oh, rolla is gay ;>
16:06 < tcr> rolla: j/k
16:06 < rolla> now wait a minute
16:06 < rolla> :p
16:06 * tcr pongs the bell, the great battle shalt begin
16:07 < tcr> shall
16:07 < rolla> what battle
16:07 < daja77> you mean we all shall kill you?
16:07 < tcr> rolla: I thought you were preparing an attack against me
16:07 < rolla> nope
16:08 < rolla> I never fight :)
16:08 < rolla> I just compile
16:08 * tcr must laugh
16:08 < tcr> Yeah, that could be correct
16:08 < rolla> like I compile firebird right now
16:09 < tcr> rolla: So what should I wait for?
16:10 < rolla> whatever you wish
16:11 < daja77> hehe
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16:17 < DeElsasser> grr
16:17 < DeElsasser> re all
16:17 < daja77> ahem moin DeElsasser
16:17 < daja77> :)
16:17 < DeElsasser> was interupted
16:17 * tcr . o O ( DeElsasser is about defeating rolla on who says grr the most time )
16:18 < daja77> tcr: grrr
16:18 < DeElsasser> the line is not so good, france telecom says now it should be good...
16:18 < daja77> :)
16:18 < daja77> hehe wannabee client ...
16:18 * daja77 hides
16:19 < DeElsasser> daja77: were you sick in karlsruhe?
16:19 < daja77> O_o. why?
16:19 < tcr> DeElsasser: all we germans are sick
16:19 < DeElsasser> tcr: why?
16:20 < DeElsasser> daja77: this morrow you said you endlich deschlaffen
16:20 < daja77> I wasn't sick, just had a lack of sleep
16:21 < DeElsasser> it can't be fake's coffee, was just watter ;-)
16:21 < tcr> Heh
16:21 < daja77> *gg*
16:21 < DeElsasser> girls?
16:22 < daja77> hehe ...
16:22 < DeElsasser> there were no
16:22 < daja77> we are not bsd
16:22 < DeElsasser> linux ist eine männer sache ;-)
16:23 < daja77> you should tell owl that news ...
16:23 < DeElsasser> what is with bsd
16:23 < daja77> they always have some chicks around
16:24 < DeElsasser> chicks=chikens?
16:24 < daja77> chicks=girls in that case
16:25 < owl> rehi
16:26 < daja77> it was nice to meet you there btw
16:26 < daja77> rehi owl
16:26 < cytrinox> wb owl
16:26 < daja77> hi cytrinox
16:26 < owl> thx
16:26 < cytrinox> ah, hi daja77
16:27 < cytrinox> is clifford sometimes online? I forgot ask you yesterday :)
16:28 < tcr> cytrinox: with online you mean here on irc?
16:28 < daja77> sometimes he is, but not very often
16:28 < cytrinox> yes
16:28 < tcr> rarely
16:29 < DeElsasser> is rene's handboock downloadable? (the link to the annouce mail is brocken)
16:29 < tcr> DeElsasser: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-handbook/
16:30 < cytrinox> how is his nickname?
16:30 < daja77> clifford ;-)
16:30 < cytrinox> cool ;)
16:31 < DeElsasser> tcr: thanks
16:32 < tcr> cytrinox: You shouldn't count on fate, that he'll come here in any time soon, instead you should write an email, if you really want to reach him
16:32 < cytrinox> was bitte?
16:32 < cytrinox> :)
16:33 < tcr> cytrinox: Du solltest dich nicht darauf verlassen, dass er hierher in absehbarer Zeit kommt. Schreib' ihm lieber ne mail
16:33 < cytrinox> danke ;)
16:34 < cytrinox> hast seine addy?
16:34 < tcr> Clifford Wolf <clifford@clifford.at>
16:34 < cytrinox> thx
16:34 < daja77> hmm is god@clifford.at outdated *gg*
16:35 < tcr> Might be an alias
16:36 < daja77> :)
16:37 < cytrinox> ^^
16:37 < daja77> huh?
16:38 < cytrinox> ?
16:39 < Mike1> daja77: you can mail god@clifford.at or clifford@clifford.at, god is indeed just an alias
16:39 < Mike1> moin all btw
16:39 < daja77> hi Mike1
16:39 < cytrinox> hello Mike1
16:40 < owl> hi Mike1 *hug*
16:40 < daja77> O_o
16:40 * daja77 hugs owl
16:40 * owl kicks daja77 
16:41 < daja77> *argl*
16:41 < Mike1> hi owly mein schatzi
16:41 * Mike1 hugs owlita
16:41 < owl> *g* nah. i'm not your "schatzi"
16:41 < owl> *shivers*
16:41 < Ge0rG> you guys are crazy :)
16:41 < Mike1> *sniff*
16:41 < daja77> not you _hug_ him!
16:41 < owl> Ge0rG: why? ;)
16:41 < DeElsasser> hi Mike1
16:41 < Mike1> hi Ge0rG
16:41 < owl> daja77: he is just a good friend ;p
16:41 < Mike1> hello DeElsasser
16:41 < daja77> Ge0rG: sure we are, so what
16:42 < Ge0rG> owl: thats something I keep asking myself too
16:42 < Ge0rG> hi Mike1
16:42 < Mike1> DeElsasser: i belive you were trying to reach me a couple of days ago
16:42 < daja77> owl: I guess I am not ..
16:42 * owl is going to Ge0rG and helds the sword onto Ge0rG 's "hals" and asks "are we crazy?"
16:43 < DeElsasser> Mike1: yes, I wanted to know how translate errors in the doc, if I should correct they
16:43 < fake> neck
16:43 < Mike1> DeElsasser: could you be a bit more specific please? as in what do you mean
16:44 < Mike1> yo fake
16:44 < fake> j0!
16:44 * Ge0rG puts out his phaser, which is set to stun and shoots down owl
16:44 < DeElsasser> Mike1: now, I see that rene wrote a handbook, and think this is the priority to be translate, no?
16:44 < daja77> DeElsasser: yes
16:45 < DeElsasser> Mike1: about package/x11, where gnomo and kde should be include
16:45 < Mike1> DeElsasser: sure we should take care of the handbook :)
16:46 * owl falls down with last "zuckungen" and is dead
16:46 < owl> thx Ge0rG - you're my hero :)
16:46 < tcr> His phase was set to stun
16:46 < daja77> Ge0rG: now go and hug her *vbeg*
16:46 < owl> hm.
16:46 * Mike1 grabs his chainsaw, and starts mutilating Ge0rG
16:47 * Ge0rG takes away owls sword and hugs her back to life
16:47 < owl> waeh! go away.
16:47 < fake> hugmassage?
16:47 < DeElsasser> ok, then I'm stopping translating the old doc, and translate the handbook, if rene is ok with that ;-)
16:47 < Mike1> fake: uuhh so scary
16:47 < owl> fake: nah *g*
16:47 < fake> ergo! visavi! concordingly!
16:48 < owl> ???
16:49 < rolla> re Mike1
16:49 < owl> hi rolla
16:50 < Mike1> hello rolla
16:50 < tcr> DeElsasser: Uh, I think that's a bad idea, because the handbook is far from complete and is supposed to be modified heavily. Not sure, maybe rxr thinks there're some chapter that are actually quite finalized, which you could indeed tranlate already
16:50 < rolla> re owl
16:53 * owl shares a bottle of wodka with #rocklinux - someone wants...?
16:53 < rolla> s/wodka/vodka/
16:54 < owl> vodka, wodka, whatever. not important.
16:54 < DeElsasser> tcr: if there is changelog, I can correct step by step
16:54 < Mike1> rolla: this woods people...
16:54 < rolla> ?
16:54 < fake> which vodka?
16:54 < Mike1> rolla: trying to write everything with w..
16:54 < rolla> ach so
16:55 < owl> fake: smirnof
16:55 < tcr> DeElsasser: Well, I think it'll be (if it isn't yet) under svn control
16:55 < fake> hm :/
16:55 < owl> fake: hm?
16:55 < fake> i'd prefer absolut or moskovskaja
16:55 < DeElsasser> will send a mail to rene to see
16:55 < fake> but by all mans NO absolut mandarin
16:55 < fake> means, even
16:56 < owl> hm. whatever. alc is alc, isn't it? it kills the brain -> nice, wanted effect.
16:56 < daja77> seems so
16:57 < fake> owl: after a basic supply of it, i'd agree
16:57 < fake> but the taste matters as long as you're in the stat of acquiring a specific level of drunkenness... (what a nice sentence)
16:58 < owl> hmmm. then mix it with $whatever. or drink wine first... (there i can offer you about 20 different wines...)
16:59 < rolla> owl: are you a lush now?
17:00 < owl> rolla: nah. don't think so... just a part of time i'm consuming alc daily... but will stop soon and another addiction will break through, again, i guess.
17:03 < rolla> okay
17:03 < daja77> *aaargh*
17:05 < daja77> downloading sucks here ...
17:05 < rolla> :)
17:05 < Mike1> cool! how does it feel?
17:05 < daja77> like counting bytes manually
17:06 < Mike1> mm...
17:06 * Mike1 has never been sucked by a download..
17:06 < owl> might you should say "heh, byte, i'm loving you! welcome here in my armes" to every single byte...
17:06 < daja77> you are too fat for that, hahaha
17:06 < Mike1> daja77: are you talking to me you fat ass?
17:07 < daja77> sure
17:07 * daja77 running away
17:07 < fake> you all suck]
17:07 < daja77> except you I guess ...
17:07 < fake> no, i am with stupid.
17:08 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
17:08 < owl> hi blindcoder
17:08 * Ge0rG doesn't suck. at least not in the public *:)
17:08 < daja77> fake: so you are welcome here *gg*
17:08 < daja77> hi blindcoder
17:08 < daja77> Ge0rG: not?!
17:09 < fake> Ge0rG is an amateur, he tries to hide it...
17:09 < fake> *g*
17:09 < daja77> hehe
17:09 < daja77> I think he did, in my car ...
17:10 < owl> O_o daja77 and Ge0rG - what a couple
17:10 < daja77> don't complain, you don't want me
17:10 < daja77> :)
17:10 < owl> *har*
17:10 < Ge0rG> hehehe
17:11 -!- Scandium [~scandium@p50808AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("leaving")
17:11 < owl> O_o Scandium was shocked now :p
17:12 < owl> idle  :       0:25:30.95   4.0% << *gnarf* rock-builds are not nice...
17:12 < daja77> ??!
17:13 < owl> daja77: because of - damn. open the eyes and look by yourself
17:13 < rolla> :P
17:13 < daja77> *ggg* rock builds are very nice :)
17:13 < owl> hrm.
17:14 < Ge0rG> because of - damn?
17:14 < daja77> I like that wor
17:14 < daja77> d
17:14 < daja77> damn!
17:14 < Ge0rG> a damn good word, eh?
17:14 < owl> hmhm.
17:15 < daja77> my fafourite english word is: anyway ;-)
17:16 < daja77> anyway, /me getting a drink, brb
17:16 < owl> daja77: "prost"
17:16 < fake> cheers
17:16 * Ge0rG is using "quasi" way too often in german
17:16 < daja77> yes ... yes you do
17:16 < fake> "you have to learn figuring things out by yourself" - "how do i do that?"
17:17 < Ge0rG> hrhr
17:17 < daja77> *lol*
17:18 < owl> fsck... building and listening to music is horrible. :-(((((
17:20 < rolla> suc
17:20 < owl> hm?
17:21 < rolla> suck
17:21 < owl> hm.. anyways - np: goethes erben - der spiegel. *sigh*
17:21 < fake> goethes erben - abseits des lichtes
17:22 < owl> hm. also great... hm. :-/
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17:22 < owl> fake: do you know "der spiegel"?
17:22 < fake> yes
17:23 < fake> <- away, smoking
17:23 < owl> (ok, was clear)
17:23 < Frikkel> lol
17:23 < owl> enjoy the cigarette.
17:23 < Frikkel> owl doesnt know the spiegel
17:23 < owl> Frikkel: LMAA!
17:23 < Frikkel> else she would have clearly get rid of herself yet hahaha
17:23 < Frikkel> *scnr >;)))
17:23 < owl> Frikkel: FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!
17:23 < Frikkel> lol
17:23 < Frikkel> bitch ;)
17:23 < owl> ./ignore Frikkel
17:24 < Mike1> owl: Frikkel behave your selves in this channel please
17:24 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B2361.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: Frikkel!~freak@p508B3FB1.dip.t-dialin.net)))
17:24 -!- Frikkel is now known as Freak
17:24 < Freak> yes I'm sorry I should.
17:24 < owl> Mike1: nah. but i can quit as long as this [peeeeeeeeeeeeeep] is here.
17:25 < Freak> owl: you could like go get some humour
17:25 < Freak> its actually too late now
17:25 < Freak> I'm no more kidding, I'm insulting :)
17:26 < Freak> so you actually have the right to hate me now but if you'd have had humour before.. everything would be fine :)
17:26 < Mike1> Freak: i think you are at her ignore list
17:27 < owl> Mike1: ack. he is on my ignore
17:27 < Freak> Mike1: she's gonna remove me sooner or later anyways ;)
17:28 < owl> (and will _never_ be removed)
17:28 < Mike1> hehe
17:28 < owl> Mike1: hm?
17:28 < Mike1> owl: are you sure you are not reading him?
17:29 < Mike1> owl: look:
17:29 < Mike1> <Freak> Mike1: she's gonna remove me sooner or later anyways ;)
17:29 < Mike1> <owl> (and will _never_ be removed)
17:29 < owl> Mike1: i'm sure
17:29 < owl> *lol*
17:29 < owl> [17:27] < owl> Mike1: ack. he is on my ignore
17:29 < owl> [17:28] < owl> (and will _never_ be removed)
17:29 < owl> [17:28] < Mike1> hehe
17:29 < Mike1> owl: yeah :)
17:30 < rolla> damn
17:30 < Mike1> rolla: ?
17:30 < rolla> owl: does not like freak
17:31 < Freak> does that disillusion ya? ;)
17:31 < Freak> +ate
17:31 < owl> hm?
17:31 < Freak> disillusionate (I guess)
17:31 < Mike1> rolla: it is well stated that opisites are always atracted to eachother, though they deny it.
17:31 < daja77> hey Freaky what's your problem with owls? *gg*
17:31 < Freak> hehehe
17:32 < rolla> :)
17:32 < Mike1> daja77: are you jealous?
17:32 < owl> daja77: Freak's problem is - he has no brain
17:32 < daja77> hehe, nope, she doesn't like me anyway
17:32 < Mike1> owl: how do you know?
17:32 < Freak> daja77: lol ;)))
17:32 < owl> Mike1: because his comments.
17:32 < Mike1> owl: what about daja77?
17:32 < owl> Mike1: ???
17:33 < Mike1> owl: what do you think of daja77?
17:33 < owl> Mike1: what has daja77 to do with Freak ?
17:33 * Mike1 wonders if owl will ever let him hug her
17:33 < daja77> *lol*
17:33 < Mike1> him = daja77
17:33 < daja77> i know ...
17:34 < owl> hoeh???
17:34 < Mike1> owl: i dunno i think daja77 and Freak are fighting for you
17:34 < owl> fighting for me?
17:35 < knoti> hae?
17:35 < Freak> no
17:35 < owl> knoti: ?
17:35 < knoti> owl: ??
17:35 * daja77 sharing cookies with Freak 
17:35 < Freak> actually I wouldnt ever dare to fight daja77
17:35 < Freak> ack
17:35 < daja77> hehe
17:35 * Freak handing daja77 some popcorn
17:36 < daja77> thx
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17:39 < knoti> owl: I didn't even understand what's wrong with the "spiegel" and "smoking". The woman in the report looks ugly, but Freak didn't compared you to that?
17:40 < owl> knoti: "der spiegel" is a song. fake is smoking; and what Freak wrotes, i can't see, because he is on my ignore-list
17:40 < fake> der spiegel is a song from goethes erben
17:41 < owl> s/is/was
17:41 < fake> a pretty well-known german goth band
17:41 < fake> it _is_
17:41 < knoti> owl: So you are angry, because he asked if you  know it?
17:41 < rxr> re
17:41 < Freak> owl: you really need to stress this some more often so we really believe you ;))
17:41 < knoti> fake, owl: I know Goethes Erven.
17:41 < fake> owl: they-re gonna play in munich in april '04
17:41 < owl> fake: i meant in "fake is smoking"...
17:41 < owl> fake: hmmm. sounds well. thx for the info...
17:42 < daja77> knoti: *gg* you try to understand owl :)
17:42 < fake> rxr: thanks for the apply-mail ;) now i can sleep well
17:42 < owl> hi rxr
17:42 < DeElsasser> hi rxr
17:42 < daja77> huh??!
17:43 * daja77 blind
17:43 < daja77> sorry
17:43 < DeElsasser> rxr: nice handbook :-)
17:45 < knoti> why is "subversion" in it's one dependencies ?
17:45 < knoti> why is "apache" in the dependencies of subversion ??
17:45 * knoti is really gnarled.
17:45 < rolla> knoti: subversions server parts use apache stuff
17:46 < knoti> *gnrr*
17:46 < DeElsasser> rxr: the question is: should I stop translating old doc and beging with your handbook?
17:46 < knoti> So it's only the source package that is needed?
17:46 < rolla> knoti: but you don't need apache to build the client piece
17:47 < knoti> rolla: ok, that's sane
17:48 < rolla> :)
17:52 < rxr> DeElsasser: which old docs do you translate?
17:52 < DeElsasser> rxr: rock/Documentation
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17:53 < rxr> hm - for the next weeks the Documentation in the source tree will stay as it is
17:53 < rxr> and the handbook will be a quickly moving thing in the next weeks ... - so it depends on what you need ;-)
17:55 < DeElsasser> rxr: this question because some chapiters doens't are actuality (about package/x11 where gnome and kde should be...)
17:56 < DeElsasser> rxr: don't you have somethink like changelog for the handbook?
17:56 < rxr> DeElsasser: nope - not yet. you could do a "svn log http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook
17:57 < rxr> "
17:57 < daja77> rxr: btw just figured out that sylpheed is at 0.9.0 in rock-trunk, but version 0.9.3 is out since juli 4th
17:58 < daja77> so maybe this is the reason for not compiling
17:58 < daja77> I could test version update and send a patch if you like
18:00 < rxr> I now fixed the kde and gnome occurence in the HACKING-HOWTO
18:00 < rxr> daja77: I will test - thanks
18:00 < daja77> ok
18:01 < DeElsasser> rxr: an other think is: I wan't spend time for somethink who be remove next week ;-)
18:01 < fake> won't
18:01 < fake> want != won't
18:01 < DeElsasser> fake: thx
18:02 < fake> ;)
18:02 * fake off for home
18:03 < fake> cu later
18:03 < owl> bye fake . "gute fahrt"
18:03 < daja77> cu fake
18:03 < fake> thanks owl
18:03 < owl> yrw
18:03 < DeElsasser> salut fake
18:07 < daja77> rxr: you need some info on other failed packages?
18:10 < owl> how long will a desktop-rock-build (opt for athlon-tbird), compiling on a pentium4, 1.8ghz, 512 mb ram, need?
18:12 < rolla> 2 days
18:12 < owl> hm. k. thx
18:12 * Mike1 hugs owl
18:12 < owl> hm.
18:13 * owl hugs noone. 
18:13 < Mike1> :(((((((
18:13 < Mike1> thx i know understand.
18:13 < owl> sorry... not in hug-mood
18:13 < owl> hm?
18:13 < DeElsasser> daja77: what mean hug?
18:13 < daja77> s/mood/mode
18:13 < daja77> DeElsasser: umarmen
18:13 < owl> daja77: mood
18:13 < christ|an> re
18:13 < DeElsasser> daja77: thx
18:14 < daja77> hi christ|an
18:14 < christ|an> hi daja77 :=)
18:15 < christ|an> my daddy has printed out the rock handbook :) *g
18:15 < daja77> hehe
18:15 * daja77 should start reading that stuff ,,,
18:15 < christ|an> yeh i have already started it reading in school
18:15 < christ|an> its very interesting
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18:17 < owl> wb mnemoc
18:17 < daja77> hi mnemoc
18:18 * daja77 reading
18:19 < daja77> rxr: why not putting the handbook under open publication license?
18:19 < mnemoc> hi :)
18:23 < Mike1> hi mnemoc
18:23 < Mike1> mnemoc: did you sleep well?
18:24 < mnemoc> yeap :)
18:25 < Mike1> mnemoc: you lazy boy
18:25 < mnemoc> me? i'm up since 7.... 5 hours ago
18:25 < Mike1> i woke up at 6..
18:26 < Mike1> went to bed around 4..
18:26 < Mike1> coding took control on my sleep again..
18:27 < mnemoc> i big problem is when you head keep coding WHILE you are in bed  :(
18:30 < praenti> hi
18:31 < mnemoc> hi praenti
18:31 < Mike1> hi praenti.
18:31 < daja77> hi praenti
18:32 < Mike1> mnemoc: yes code is inside my head all the time
18:32 * praenti waiting for his rock-trunk build...
18:33 < praenti> i want to know how good 2.6-test1 is working *g*
18:33 < mnemoc> as a -test1 ;)
18:33 < Mike1> *ggg*
18:33 < Mike1> ls
18:33 < DeElsasser> cu all
18:33 < praenti> 2.5.75 is very stable. only the preemptive part makes problems with nvidia
18:33 < DeElsasser> see you tomorrow...
18:33 < Mike1> cu DeElsasser
18:33 < daja77> cu DeElsasser
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18:34 * daja77 was faster, yes
18:34 < praenti> daja77: *g*
18:34 < praenti> and 2.6-headers are broken. but you can use 2.4 for userspace ;-)
18:35 < mnemoc> Mike1: can you convince ppl to do a 'report' about LT? :)
18:35 < praenti> ppl?
18:35 < Mike1> mnemoc: i have been trying this for days..
18:35 < daja77> mnemoc: I'll do in the evening
18:35 < Mike1> praenti: ppl = people
18:35 < Mike1> mnemoc: no reports , no pics, damn!
18:35 < praenti> ahh. strange abreviation
18:36 * praenti was only on saturday
18:36 < mnemoc> daja77@LT? pics??!!!
18:36 < Mike1> praenti: you didn't take any pictures did you ?
18:36 < owl> hi praenti
18:36 < mnemoc> write something :(
18:36 < daja77> no but I'll report on ml
18:36 < praenti> Mike1: no. have no cam
18:36 < daja77> but not from here, I hate webmailers
18:36 < daja77> rxr: PING
18:36 < Mike1> rxr: said he had some pics, but i guess they are not up yet
18:38 < rxr> ping
18:38 < rxr> err pong
18:38 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:38 < daja77> rxr: can I get access to the handbooks tex file, so I can send patches
18:38 < praenti> violation of ROCK-Channel RFCs! *moep* *g*
18:38 < rxr> yes yes pics
18:39 < rxr> I'll upload the few (3 or 4?) I took soon
18:39 * praenti hopes that he is not on any of the photos
18:39 < rxr> daja77: everyone has read-access ...
18:39 < daja77> where!
18:39 < daja77> ?
18:39 < daja77> sorry
18:39 < rxr> erhm - the URL was in my announce mail ...
18:39 < daja77> only pdf and ps
18:40 < rxr> but in general on schillernet.dyndns.org/svn you have a list of repos ...
18:40 < mnemoc> only pdf and ps
18:40 < rxr> mnemoc: the source is in subversion - and I wrote the URL into the ANNOUNCE mail ...
18:40 < daja77> btw I like the handbook
18:40 < daja77> d'oh
18:40 < mnemoc> need some pics ;)
18:41 < mnemoc> the handbook i mean
18:41 < rxr> it is just .../svn/rock-handbook
18:41 < Mike1> mnemoc: i can show you some pics a friend took, but no rock related
18:41 < rxr> mnemoc: the book needs pics? ACK. ....
18:41 < mnemoc> url?
18:41 * blindcoder back again
18:41 < praenti> hi blindcoder
18:41 < mnemoc> wb bc
18:42 < daja77> rxr: what do you think about the license?
18:42 < rxr> I do not know yet ...
18:42 * mnemoc is not agree with linux25 dropment
18:42 < mnemoc> dropment?? what a word :|
18:43 < Mike1> dropment .. hehe, i wanna hear what tcr thinks of this word :)
18:43 < rxr> btw: since a few seconds we have a scripts/Emerge-Pkg in SVN
18:43 < rxr> feel free to play arorund with it
18:43 < rxr> (and yes I know I need to do code cleanups ...)
18:43 < rxr> mnemoc: what dropment? That we now have linux26 ?
18:43 < Mike1> mnemoc: http://linuxdev.de/index.php?status=show_content&id=2
18:43 < Mike1> mnemoc: pics on the bottom
18:44 < blindcoder> Emerge-Pkg? Like Download && Build-Pkg ?
18:44 < daja77> rxr: we should use pdflatex to create the handbook pdfs
18:44 < praenti> blindcoder: what do you do with emerge???
18:44 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.6 is not exactly as 2.5 ... at least the Makefile has changed ;)
18:45 < daja77> btw when using pdflatex you can include jpgs, pngs and gifs without converting in pdfs
18:45 < mnemoc> i doubt all 2.5 patches are appliable to 2.6... that's an unnecessary source of 'broken-ness'
18:45 < blindcoder> praenti: 18:44 < rxr> btw: since a few seconds we have a scripts/Emerge-Pkg in SVN
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: 2.5 is just to make sure the kernel and our source moves into the same direction
18:47 < rxr> that it has now a name change is just an accident - and (if you ask me) following the currently style it should have be named linux26 from the beginning ...
18:47 < rxr> if some patches do not apply or whatever this has do be fixed - we do not want to stay at the last 2.5 kernel forever ...
18:48 < rxr> blindcoder: praenti: it also does some dependency parsing ....
18:48 < daja77> .oO rxr flooding ...
18:48 < mnemoc> rxr: you are using mnemoc's words :( ....
18:49 < blindcoder> rxr: I see
18:49 < praenti> COOL
18:49 < mnemoc> but i still thinking that considering we want an stable soon, we may have the three versions
18:50 < mnemoc> Mike1: from your link: "und bin nun ein glücklicher ROCKLINUX User.
18:50 < mnemoc> "
18:51 < Mike1> mnemoc: yes
18:51 < praenti> thats want we want! a new happy rocklinux user
18:51 < Mike1> mnemoc: 3 version!?! you little @#$^% please no more repeated versions of the same package
18:52 < mnemoc> a new happy user with publishing access to linuxdev.de :)
18:53 < mnemoc> Mike1: that sentence is patented!!!
18:54 < praenti> ok. i will now hunt some food.
18:54 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M268P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
18:54 * praenti hunting a big fat "wildschwein"
18:54 < blindcoder> praenti: Weidmannsheil
18:54 < rxr> mnemoc: read my reply
18:54 < rxr> (on the list=
18:55 < mnemoc> k
18:57 < mnemoc> rxr: that make dep-files issues makes me doubt about the continuity between 2.5 and 2.6
18:58 < mnemoc> but if you say it is, i beleave you
18:58 < rxr> linus torvalds maintains this tree - he now decided it is time for the first 2.6 try
18:58 < rxr> it is just like ROCK - that we will release 2.0 soon does not make 1.7-DEV and 2.0 that different ...
18:59 < rxr> we continue fixing or improving - but without big jumps ...
18:59 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll have to beliave in mr. torvals too :(
18:59 * daja77 found several errors in handbook, it will take some time to dig through
19:00 < mnemoc> there is any wiki<->tex app?
19:01 < rxr> daja77: it is ok for you that is not yet under a really free license - and might be printed by me commercially ?
19:01 * daja77 notes that the xbox chan has a cool bot (which can for example answer most newbie questions), should ask them for the code
19:02 < mnemoc> a bot? here?
19:02 < daja77> rxr: well open publication license would you provide the same features and is more legally tested than your self written license
19:02 < mnemoc> quoting could be nice :)
19:02 < daja77> mnemoc: would be cool, no?
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19:03 < mnemoc> rotfl
19:03 < daja77> ?
19:04 * mnemoc remembering lot of stuff said on the channel that would be great to quote :)
19:04 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B24B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:04 < mnemoc> but a faq-fully-functional bot could be cool too :)
19:06 < mnemoc> daja77: how do you 'query' that faq-bot?
19:07 < daja77> well you can e.g. !tell mnemoc desktop target, and it will tell you about it in a query
19:07 * mnemoc getting random segfaults with gcc33-stackprotector
19:08 < mnemoc> aaa... ok, the staff tells the bot to answer
19:08 < mnemoc> do we have a faq? :)
19:08 < daja77> or you just say !tell sth, and it prints this info the chan
19:09 < daja77> mnemoc: yepp stil much cooler than typing the answer yourself
19:10 < mnemoc> sure
19:10 < mnemoc> and quoting still being posible :D
19:10 < daja77> e.g. p.26 src - where the target system will be built ...
19:18 < daja77> ok I'll go now, cu later
19:19 < n00kie> Mike1: ping :)
19:19 < Mike1> pong
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19:33 < tcr> rxr: Free document license doesn't mean that you can't sell them.
19:34 < mnemoc> you sell the paper :)
19:35 < tcr> rxr: And I think a free license is an absolute must. However, there've been some affairs with the GFDL, so that'd need more investigation
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19:48 < tcr> blubb
19:49 * tcr got a cool idea what could be printed onto the tshirt. He'll polish the idea a bit, and then send a proposal to the list
19:54 < rxr> tcr: the free license is not a must
19:55 < rxr> I work enought for free - and in some way I also need to finance my living ...
19:55 < mnemoc> rock-powered airplains will solve that :)
19:56 < tcr> Where's the great difference between a license which permits you to receive a copy for free, and a truly free license? I mean speaking about economic effects
19:58 < rxr> tcr: that others are not allowed to redistribute it
19:58 < rxr> daja77: it is not yet a full license - just a notice.
19:58 < rxr> I wanted to work on the content first ...
19:59 < tcr> rxr: I'm not in the right mood of discussing, are you?
19:59 < rxr> no
20:00 < tcr> Ok, so let's defer it
20:00 < rxr> mnemoc: if you pass the manager over that want to pay ROCK for use in Airplanes I'll be happy ...
20:05 < praenti> ...
20:05 < praenti> without words
20:05 < rxr> praenti: ;)
20:05 * mnemoc can't imagine the amazing quantity of documents needed to offer a software to run on plains :)
20:05 * rxr jogging ... cu
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: no comment.
20:06 < rxr> cu
20:06 < mnemoc> cu
20:06 < praenti> mnemoc: thats not as easy as you might think. most of the flight control software needs realtime functionality
20:07 < praenti> perhaps linux must work more on that. than we have software in aircrafts
20:07 < mnemoc> rtai is an step to there :)
20:09 * praenti knows a little bit of that topic.
20:09 < praenti> i'm working at eads in the flight test for eurofighter
20:09 * mnemoc doesn't
20:09 < mnemoc> wow
20:10 < fake> grml.
20:10 < fake> does ios have remote exploitable bugs in the current version?
20:10 < mnemoc> chile doesn't even build cars :(
20:20 < fake> ...
20:23 < praenti> mnemoc: thats interesting in Ingolstadt even you have the feeling of living in a village...
20:24 < praenti> mnemoc: we have audi (build cars) and in the neighbourhood eads (flight testing, support, final assembly of eurofighter)
20:24 < praenti> mnemoc: but development is in Ottobrunn, thats near Munich
20:29 < mnemoc> deustchland is amazing...
20:29 < knoti> mnemoc. hu?
20:29 < tcr> rxr: ping
20:30 < mnemoc> Ingolstadt is at de, or i'm wrong?
20:30 < Mike1> mnemoc: no, is in Bavaria
20:30 < Mike1> :)
20:30 * Mike1 waits for reaction
20:30 < rolla> ha ha
20:30 < mnemoc> o_O
20:30 < mnemoc> sorrry
20:30 < tcr> What reaction? You're right
20:31 < Mike1> tcr: read again
20:31 < tcr> Bavaria is a free state
20:31 < praenti> Mike1: Bavaria is Germany!
20:31 < Mike1> mnemoc: Bavaria is in germany silly boy, just teasing you :)
20:31 < mnemoc> here we have to regions which claim to be autonom countries :D
20:31 < praenti> part of germany...
20:31 < Mike1> praenti: i know.
20:31 < Mike1> praenti: i was joking mnemoc
20:31 < tcr> No, bavaria is a free state (but currently belongs to germany)
20:32 < mnemoc> i can't know about nationalist feelings of bavaria
20:32 < praenti> tcr: the word "Freistaat" means not free state.
20:32 < tcr> It's the same as saxonia
20:32 < tcr> It does
20:32 < mnemoc> bavaria is amazing :)
20:33 < tcr> praenti: You're just not aware what Freistaat does mean in german, because "Freistaat Bayern" is just so commonly used
20:33 < praenti> it is only a federal organisation here in germany
20:34 < praenti> the word "Freistaat" comes from history, because bavaria often very independent. with saxonia it was the same
20:34 < tcr> Yeah and bavaria belongs to the federation
20:34 < praenti> all states here are in some points independent and in other dependent to the country germany
20:35 < tcr> Of course it comes from history, wherelse should be there? ;)
20:35 < praenti> tcr: yes. but you cannot call a federation member independent, because thats nit true
20:35 < praenti> and a free state is independent *g*
20:35 < tcr> I didn't say it's independant
20:35 < mnemoc> Mike1: you got your reaction :)
20:35 < tcr> No it ain't, otherwise bavaria couldn't be called so
20:36 < tcr> rxr: ping!
20:36 < Mike1> mnemoc: hehe yups, just i spected :)
20:37 < praenti> somtimes i wish the bavaria would be more independent, because of the red/green government in germany :-((
20:38 < tcr> All the same
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20:41 < praenti> but i also hate the csu in munich, cause they are a company of amateur actors
20:41 * praenti is also member of the csu
20:41 < praenti> they dont think about cheaper OSes
20:44 < praenti> as i remember they have said, "windows is cheaper as linux" *lol* perhaps they should read some documents first...
20:47 < mnemoc> windows is not cheap to me :|
20:49 < knoti> praenti: Which documents are you addressing?
20:50 < praenti> some scientific investigations about cost of ownership (all other except gartner group)
20:50 < knoti> praenti: Where can I find them?
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20:53 < praenti> knoti: www.heise.de
20:54 < praenti> dont know the exact location, but there are links in the heise ticker, a little bit searching should bring it to you
20:54 < knoti> praenti: thx
20:56 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
20:59 < netrunner> hm ... I just saved 0.3 kEUR :)
21:01 < schasi> wow so much? where? how?
21:02 < netrunner> schasi: I was about to buy a big tent for the camp, but found some space in another :)
21:03 < schasi> rofl
21:03 < schasi> thats kinda nice
21:04 < knoti> hi schasi
21:04 < schasi> hi knoit
21:04 < schasi> knoti
21:04 < schasi> sorry im really tired even if its just 9 o clock
21:04 < knoti> *g*
21:04 < praenti> ok. i will now be away
21:04 < praenti> gn8
21:05 < schasi> n8
21:05 < rxr> re
21:05 < schasi> currently installing windows on a laptop, so please excuse if im not typing very well
21:05 < schasi> i shiver all the tie
21:05 < schasi> time
21:08 < rxr> tcr: pong - I was joggin ...
21:18 < rxr> has someone started a build with all the many updates from the last days ?
21:22 < mnemoc> i just started but my microtarget
21:23 < netrunner> rxr: shall I?
21:24 < rxr> just wanted some feedback - but I just started a reference build myself ...
21:25 < netrunner> hm ... I need a p2 build ... I'll start that one as desktop.
21:25 < netrunner> rxr: btw: could you add the avm repos to desktop? shall I send a patch?
21:25 < rxr> netrunner: hm  - I need to take a look
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21:27 < schasi> someone testet the 2.6-test kernel? first experiences?
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21:38 < A-Tui> hi
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21:42 < rxr> cool the RS6000 needs only 2 hours for the 2.4 kernel ...#
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21:42 < rolla> yawn
21:44 < jsaw_> rxr: no fresh build, but a newdelete build (after a complete rev 765 or so)
21:45 < jsaw_> re, btw
21:46 < rxr> jsaw_: and the results ?
21:46 < jsaw_> 872 builds total, 845 completed fine, 27 with errors.
21:47 < rxr> how many errors before svn up ?
21:50 < jsaw_> not sure, I think about 10 less (but subtract 5 here which I for some reason couldn't download)
21:52 < rxr> hm
21:52 < jsaw_> oh oh. forget that. I have a couple of segfaults in there. results are not reliable.
21:52 < rxr> could we do some quick voting whether to do an intermediate -beta7 release just now
21:53 < rxr> just for reference? the -rc1 changes get too fat in my opinion ...
21:53 < rxr> and do the -rc1 next week, including binary builds (so no binary builds from -beta7) ...
21:56 < rxr> ping
21:56 < jsaw_> still thinking... pong
21:57 < daja77> re
21:58 < daja77> rxr: version update doesn't solve the problem with sylpheed :-(
21:58 < jsaw_> confirmed
21:59 < knoti> hey, who needs sylpheed anyway! There is gnus. And emacs :)
21:59 < jsaw_> o_O
21:59 < daja77> knoti: buargs
22:00 < knoti> daja77: buargs ? -v
22:00 < daja77> sound of vomitting ...
22:00 * daja77 hides
22:00 * Mike1 laughst :)
22:00 < knoti> daja77: You just don't know what you are missing *g*
22:00 < jsaw_> concerning beta7. maybe you should simply raise your threshold for accepting patches (torvalds tactics)?
22:01 < daja77> knoti: I'll keep it like this :)
22:03 < rxr> yes - I want to raise my threshold - but I also wanted the updates (especially the gnome one) before the -rc phase ...
22:03 < rxr> so I think I do a -beta7 tomorrow or so - and then only bug fixes go into the tree until at least -rc1 ...
22:03 < daja77> beta7 O_o
22:04 < rxr> daja77: why ?
22:04 < rxr> I'll now rework the mod_network to support mulitple cards and wlan
22:05 < rxr> this is the most important "bug" useability bug here (and my brother needs it ... ;-)
22:05 * daja77 just remember everybody telling me that there will be no beta7, but it is ok for me
22:05 < jsaw_> rxr: so I have to rush to send the last additions to my repo...!?
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22:05 < rxr> I planned none ...
22:06 < daja77> ic
22:06 < rxr> jsaw_: well new packages are not as critical as updating (and breaking) old ones ...
22:06 < rxr> I think we should not just update to each minor release - only when someone needs the feature or it fixes security issues
22:06 < daja77> well anyway, another bad thing for endusers is, that they can only shutdown/reboot the box as root
22:06 < jsaw_> phew, okay. anyway, they are tested and already running here.
22:06 < rxr> not just "because my automated checker tells me"
22:07 < daja77> thought I told you about that ...
22:07 < jsaw_> BTW, should we update gnome2 to the officially release 2.2.2?
22:07 < rxr> jsaw_: send them - they could make it into -beta7 ...
22:07 < rxr> jsaw_: puh - how many single updates are there to match official gnome 2.2.2 ?
22:07 < rxr> daja77: erhm yes - on servers you normally want this ...
22:08 < rxr> daja77: is there a way to configure this? On dRock I usually setuid'ed the shutdown ...
22:08 < daja77> yes maybe there should be an easy way (stone) to set this behaviour
22:08 < rxr> but user can shutdown reboot when gdm and kdm is running ...
22:08 < rxr> (if allowed by root)
22:08 < jsaw_> rxr: well actually I think, there's a much bigger problem than updating (I guess more than 10 updates, but I'll check if these updates apply to "only when someone needs the
22:08 < rxr> daja77: yes - could you take a look
22:09 < jsaw_>              feature or it fixes security issues
22:09 < daja77> nope kdm then just crashes and leaves a bare login prompt
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22:09 < daja77> rxr: I'll check, yes
22:09 < jsaw_> rxr: the gconf thing
22:09 < rxr> daja77: nope - you need to start it via inittab - not as init script
22:09 < Mike1> welcome back mnemoc
22:09 < Mike1> hi rxr
22:09 < rxr> jsaw_: yes (damn gnome) - could you take a look ?
22:09 < daja77> ah ok this is not implemented in beta6, ic
22:10 < mnemoc> rxr: my misc/initstyle includes an inittab installer :)
22:10 < jsaw_> Mike1: can u check, if there are security related updates to gnome2, I'll try to fix the gconf stuff tonight, okay?
22:10 < daja77> rxr: another issue, reported to me, was that there is timezone config is messed. cos you can't tell stone that system clock is utc
22:11 < rxr> daja77: ah yesd
22:11 < Mike1> jsaw_: mm... i will be able to do rock work untill the weekend, but i will try to create spare time to help on the security updates
22:11 < Mike1> jsaw_: i think there are none
22:12 < jsaw_> Mike1: btw, gnucash has a bdb problem...could that be?
22:12 < Mike1> jsaw_: i had problem with gnucash on my last build
22:12 * rxr is quickly baking a cake ...
22:12 < Mike1> jsaw_: could you show ur .err file
22:12 < Mike1> ?
22:12 < rxr> cu in some minutes
22:12 < Mike1> rxr: ok
22:12 < daja77> Mike1: ack gnucash didn't compile here too
22:12 < jsaw_> Mike1: no prob. just try to figure out if there's any need for updating gnome2.
22:13 < Mike1> ok daja77
22:13 < jsaw_> checking for db_185.h... no
22:13 < jsaw_> checking for db1/db.h... no
22:13 < jsaw_> checking for db4/db_185.h... no
22:13 < jsaw_> configure: error: Berkeley db library required for GnuCash
22:13 < Mike1> i will check
22:13 < mnemoc> 1.85??
22:16 < jsaw_> I also have to leave for a while. bbl
22:23 < tcr> Puh, finnally finished...
22:23 < tcr> Please, see the mail I just sent to the list
22:26 < mnemoc> great poster tcr :)
22:27 < tcr> How's that meant?
22:29 < mnemoc> i 'saw' it on a wall
22:30 < tcr> Ah, you mean a poster... lol, I thought you mean someone who posts ;)
22:30 < mnemoc> hehehe
22:31 < mnemoc> poster (1) person who post (2) nice paper for publishing
22:34 * knoti nl: tito an tarantulas -- after dark
22:39 * knoti nl: tiamiat -- as long as you are mine
22:39 < daja77> *yawn*
22:40 * rolla yawns
22:41 < owl> .oO(yawning is a sign for being tired...)
22:41 < daja77> other people's playlist making me tired ...
22:41 * Mike1 yaawwnnnnnss!!!!!!
22:42 < owl> playlists?
22:43 < knoti> **
22:43 < knoti> *g*
22:43 < knoti> *gg*
22:44 < knoti> What about Nina Hagen Total Eclipse ?
22:44 < knoti> Together with Rosenstolz
22:45 < daja77> hmm well no benefit for me, if _you_ are listening to them ...
22:45 < knoti> Does someone want to buy viagra, I've got a very cheap opportunity *g*
22:45 < daja77> knoti: enlarge your penis!
22:46 * tcr is listening to Mortification - Scrolls of the Megilloth
22:46 < daja77> sounds horrible ...
22:46 < knoti> daja77: *g*
22:46 < tcr> Not really
22:47 < daja77> could be worse, if you's sing *ggg*
22:47 < daja77> you'd even
22:48 < tcr> There's no real cantation, just a bit grunting from time to time
22:50 < tcr> Hmm, stop I could recognize a melody
22:51 < daja77> hehehe
22:52 < owl> omg
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22:53 < daja77> yeah you should switch before it really turns out to a melody
22:54 < owl> well. this is good education - saying not goodbye...
22:54 < tcr> Why should I? I in general like melodic heavy metal (though mortification isn't that)
22:54 < tcr> Actually I like songs with melodies most
22:55 < daja77> owl: exiting clients just happen
22:55 < owl> daja77: just after /quit
22:55 < daja77> or a crashing x perhaps
22:56 < owl> hm...
22:56 < daja77> apropos crashing, will test rebooting my box
22:56 < owl> maybe. maybe not...
22:56 < owl> daja77: enjoy it.
22:56 < tcr> and I'll go to bed right away
22:56 < tcr> Gn8 all
22:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAE05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all")
22:57 < daja77> owl: sure, but I don't have to disconnect now
22:57 < owl> daja77: hm. k.
22:58 < daja77> but tonight I'll have to cos, the server i use, will be shutdown for maintainance tomorrow :-(
22:59 < rxr> re
23:00 < owl> wb daja77
23:00 < daja77> hmm shutdown will out of the users path ...
23:00 < daja77> nah haven't rebooted yet
23:01 * daja77 trying now
23:01 < owl> .oO( daja77 is speaking to himself )
23:04 < knoti> gn8
23:04 < owl> gn8 knoti
23:06 < daja77> owl: :PP
23:07 < daja77> rxr: ok it works, setting suid bit + doin a symlink should do the trick, if we could toggle that in stone would be cool
23:08 < rxr> daja77: this is how I did it in dRock 1.4 and 1.6
23:08 < rxr> but I do not know if this is the official and secure way ...
23:08 < daja77> I could check that on a redhat system if you like
23:10 < rxr> jups that would be nice
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23:14 < daja77> no suid bit on rh, maybe they do this with pam
23:15 < rxr> does some use DHCP extensively here?
23:15 < rxr> hos is dhcp used on multi-interface boxes (e.g. four ethernet devices)
23:15 < rxr> dhcp on each?
23:18 < rxr> or optional dhcp on some interfaces and fixed on other?
23:20 < jsaw_> re
23:22 < rxr> hi jsaw_
23:24 < jsaw_> using dhcp on one iface only
23:25 < jsaw_> afaicr, u can run one dhcpd with a multi-iface config (fixed and dyn ips, mac or iface based)
23:26 < rxr> I'm just rewriting the net config ....
23:27 < daja77> you should just be careful not killing lo interface
23:29 < jsaw_> this can be all set in a "subnet x.x.x.x netmask y.y.y.y {}" group IIRC
23:31 < jsaw_> actually I do not select an iface specifically here. dhcp takes the iface based on the iface settings (ie inet addr/mask)
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23:38 < Mike1> Satg:  :)
23:47 * daja77 off to bed cu
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23:58 < SMP> rxr: can you let me take a look at what you are planning to implement, please? there are some unfortunate quirks affecting network config and rockplug e.g.
23:58 < Mike1> hi SMP
23:59 < SMP> hi Mike
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