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--- Log opened Wed Jul 16 00:00:12 2003
--- Day changed Wed Jul 16 2003
00:00 < n00kie> Hi SMP
00:01 < n00kie> bbl
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00:02 < rxr> SMP: yes there are some crossings ...
00:02 < rxr> for the short term I just wanted to convert the STONE module to allow the configuration of multiple interfaces
00:02 < rxr> and the wireless extension parameters
00:03 < SMP> I would like to see nameif integrated, but I don't see how this can work with rockplug
00:03 < owl> hi SMP
00:04 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget pppoe :D
00:04 < rxr> mnemoc: pppoe shoudl be an seperate config for analoge and DSL connections
00:05 < mnemoc> sure, but don't forget to write a module for that ;)
00:05 < rxr> you seem to be begging for this job? ;-)
00:05 < mnemoc> yep :(
00:06 < rxr> SMP: I never used nameif ...
00:06 < rxr> what should rockplug do when a interface shows up? Just activate is on already existing /etc/conf/network or so setting, correct?
00:07 < jsaw_> complicated question.
00:07 < rxr> SMP: btw, I commited scripts/Emerge-Pkg ...
00:08 < jsaw_> rxr: yep.
00:08 < rxr> jsaw_: yep for ?
00:08 < mnemoc> setting network at that early stage?
00:09 < jsaw_> rxr: just activate based on /etc/conf/network.
00:09 < rxr> mnemoc: it is not run that much later now - and I was currently thinking about the plug during system is running case ...
00:09 < SMP> rxr: yes, I saw it. feature request: I'd like to see the ability to force exceptions to the dependencies
00:10 < rxr> SMP: and a -dryrun ? ;-)
00:10 < SMP> rxr: yes, that's what I was going to say ;p
00:10 < rxr> SMP: and yes it needs improvements to handle grouped package dependencies better ...
00:10 < rxr> SMP: but the network stuff first
00:11 < SMP> yeah, well, hmm
00:11 < jsaw_> I also like to see something I'v seen in debian. A scheme based decision how to plug network cards (esp. useful for laptops). But that's probably better done in 2.1 or later?
00:11 < rxr> I guess it would also make sense to remove the code out of /etc/conf/network and only store the parameter pairs for the cards there ...
00:11 < rxr> jsaw_: yes ack
00:11 < SMP> rxr: noooo
00:11 < jsaw_> ?
00:12 < rxr> I mentioned this also a few times - last on LT.
00:12 < SMP> rxr: but we need to get away from the one-config-file-concept
00:12 < rxr> SMP: for network - or for all ?
00:12 < SMP> for network
00:12 < SMP> Grand Theory:
00:12 < rxr> so some /etc/conf/network/{eth0,eth1,...}
00:13 < jsaw_> and/or macs
00:13 < SMP> there is a (possibly actifical) net hotplug event
00:13 < SMP>  - set ifname based on mac
00:14 < SMP>  - run dedicated script for interface ifname
00:15 < SMP> the problem I am seeing is that rockplug gets the ifname and once it has run nameif that name may have changed and it does not know the new one
00:16 < rxr> SMP: and maybe the kernel generates yet another plug event for the change ifname is doing ?
00:17 < SMP> there should be some fixed scripts to do static, dhcp, pppoe, wlan, whatever config as well as the possibility to just drop in my own (ROCK style)
00:17 < SMP> rxr: don't know. that would be great but I can hardly imagine
00:19 < rxr> nameif sucks
00:19 < rxr> first it complained about a error in line 2342342342342
00:20 < rxr> (for a 2 line file)
00:20 < rxr> and for my next try it seg-faulted
00:20 < rxr> -6 for most instable linux config tool I ever used ...
00:21 < rxr> what is the exact file format to please it
00:21 < rxr> the man-page is not telling this ...
00:22 < SMP> don't know. I used 'ip link set $dev name $name' when I needed that'
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00:24 < rxr> strange - reading online stuff my first try where the tool complained about line 2342342342342 should have been right ...
00:24 < Scandium> good evening ;)
00:27 < rxr> strange now it works ...
00:27 < rxr> strange prog - maybe I should apply gdb to it soon ...
00:27 < rxr> anyway
00:27 < rxr> SMP: the name should also be selectable in STONE ?
00:27 < SMP> *shrug*
00:28 < SMP> probably not, nameif is more for people who know what they are doing
00:29 < rxr> ic ...
00:31 < rxr> nameif does not trigger and hotplug event for the net ...
00:32 < jsaw_> and actually it shouldn't be necessary. after calling nameif, I know how the netdev is named. Don't I?
00:32 < rxr> hm - nope how?
00:32 < rxr> nameif silently rename it
00:32 < SMP> jsaw_: no, how could you, without parsing /etc/mactab?
00:33 < rxr> if you want to know you ...
00:33 < rxr> SMP: jups - just wanted to write that we need to parse that file ...
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00:33 < rxr> or patch a -verbose option into nameif so it tells us the new name ...
00:33 < SMP> well first we need to figure out the MAC ...
00:34 < rxr> sems to be only possible vi an ioctl, correct?
00:34 < rxr> (did not found it in /proc)
00:34 < SMP> no, it can be parsed out of /sbin/ip / ifconfig output
00:35 < SMP> but I don't think that naeif is actually such a great idea
00:35 < SMP> the problem is: it works globally
00:35 < huebi> rxr: can you explain, how the pseudo cross compiler works?
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00:36 < SMP> i.e. naeif will happieliy renae any other interface as well - and a hotplug event must never affect any other interface
00:36 < SMP> bah, my speling
00:37 < SMP> I would like to see the following:
00:37 < SMP>  - receive hotplug event, figure out MAC of new interface
00:37 < SMP>  - try to find a MAC-specific configuration (that may use 'ip link set ... name')
00:37 < SMP>  - else try ifname specific config
00:39 < mnemoc> what about a krock module to export that info through /proc?
00:40 < SMP> noooo
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00:40 < mnemoc> ok
00:40 < jsaw_> btw, how are things with sysfs?
00:40 < mnemoc> me hides
00:40 < SMP> the kernel already has an interface for that
00:43 < rxr> well will someone contribute some code for this?
00:44 < rxr> ok - ic
00:44 * jsaw_ will
00:44 < SMP> I don't even know if the idea is really so good ;)
00:45 < rxr> SMP: regarding DHCP settings, would it be useful for multiple interface machines too enable/disable DHCP for all the single interfaces
00:45 < rxr> (so you can suply a static one for that card)
00:45 < rxr> or can I savely avoid this extra work in the new network config
00:45 < SMP> yes, that is required
00:45 < rxr> (that is DHCP for all or none ...)
00:45 < rxr> ah ok
00:46 < rxr> so I do the extra work ...
00:46 < SMP> think of a nat gateway with a dynamic address on the outside
00:46 < rxr> and you said a big fat NO to removing the /etc/conf/network code
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00:47 < SMP> well, I said no to just storing config information
00:47 < rxr> when we have a per interface file in /etc/conf/net (or so) and the configuration is handled by rockplug we do not have much code left for that file ...
00:47 < mnemoc> {redhat,*}'s idea of scripts for -up and -down is not that bad
00:47 < Mike1> cu
00:48 < huebi> cu Mike1
00:48 < SMP> rxr: uh, well, /etc/conf/network should go away in that case, but that doesn't matter - no matter what the file is called, it should be a script (possibly from a template), not a config file
00:48 < SMP> I mean if is per-interface
00:49 < rxr> SMP: ok
00:49 < rxr> I'll try to work this out (possible tomorrow ...)
00:50 < huebi> SMP: similar to redhat?
00:50 < rxr> huebi: I'm out of time for in-depth support on the channel
00:50 < SMP> similar to RedHat and better than OpenBSD ;)
00:50 < huebi> rxr: Is there some documentation about the cross compiler (How it works, Imean).
00:50 < huebi> ?
00:51 < rxr> huebi: if you may ask on the list - maybe I even find the time to answer such an mail ..
00:51 < huebi> SMP: Sounds good.
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00:51 < SMP> OpenBSD netstart is actually pretty cool
00:51 < rxr> well for an how to cross compile you may read the gcc manual - but it is outdated - and will not work ...
00:51 < mnemoc> huebi: there is an article about that on a rolling rock
00:52 < rxr> SMP: so I might should install OpenBSD somewhere to take a look ?
00:52 < huebi> mnemoc: Thanks, I have a look at this.
00:52 < huebi> Ermm. I mean the "pseudo cross compiler"
00:53 < SMP> rxr: no ..
00:54 < mnemoc> psuedocross is just a path for last tools, with last patches
00:54 < rxr> huebi: it is just the normal GCC wich is setup to cross compile for the same arch - to decoupole the build host with the resulting system
00:54 < SMP> rxr: basically: you have /etc/hostname.if for each interface (hostname.rl0 for rl0, hostname.fxp0 for fxp0 and so on)
00:54 < rxr> to support gcc/glibc combinations different on both ...
00:55 < huebi> so I have just to define BUILD= and HOST= ?
00:55 < rxr> huebi: why don't you read the code?
00:55 < rxr> I'm off to bed now - cu after sleep ...
00:55 < huebi> rxr: cu rxr
00:56 < SMP> rxr: these are config files, read line by line in netstart. a line can be "dhcp" to activate dhcp config, or it can be an parameters for ifconfig, or it can run any command by using a ! at the start of a line
00:56 < huebi> rxr: just not enough time to find it out ...
00:57 < rxr> SMP: ah - thanks
01:55 < esden> hi all
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02:21 < fake> good evening.
02:27 < fake> and n8.
02:30 < mnemoc> :)
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02:41 < esden> hi fake ... and good night
02:43 < mnemoc> hi esden
02:45 < esden> hi mnemoc 
02:46 < esden> hmm ... I installed 2.6.0-test1 ... and while booting it hanged in the moment devfsd started ...
02:49 < mnemoc> have you tested lasts 2.5?
02:53 < esden> nope
02:54 < mnemoc> maybe also failing there.... i didn't see devfs stuff on changelog 2.5.75-2.6.0-test1
02:56 < esden> but it is still a bug ....
02:56 < esden> ok ... I will take a look at it tomorrow
02:56 < esden> I go to bed now ...
02:57 < esden> good night
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04:11 < n00kie> moin
04:19 < mnemoc> moin n00kie
04:20 < n00kie> Hola mnemoc
04:20 < n00kie> How are you?
04:21 < mnemoc> fine :) and you?
04:21 < mnemoc> brb
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04:33 < n00kie> Thanks, fine too mnemoc :)
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05:05 < mnemoc> re
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05:12 < n00kie> wb mnemoc
05:12 < n00kie> Hola jose
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07:30 < blindcoder> moin
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08:20 < owl> moin
08:23 < blindcoder> moin owly
08:24 < owl> hi blindy
08:36 < rxr> e
08:36 < blindcoder> moin rxr
08:38 < rxr> mnemoc: jfyi:
08:38 < rxr> == 22:25:29 =[1]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.0-test1 2.0.0-rc1].
08:38 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
08:38 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.linux26.1058300728.22899.3950017763
08:38 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux26.out
08:38 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux26.out -> 1-linux26.log
08:38 < rxr> == 07/15/03 23:25:03 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
08:38 < blindcoder> nice
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08:42 < owl> hi rxr
08:51 < rxr> hi blindcoder and owl
09:03 < fake> mornin
09:03 < owl> hi fake
09:03 < owl> how's school?
09:04 < fake> owl: funny. they changed the network config quite a bit
09:04 < fake> owl: and i am most struggled ny the fact it took me almost 35 minutes to drill it open...
09:05 < owl> fake: why changed it? O_o you mean the router... ?
09:05 < owl> s/why/they
09:05 < fake> owl: port 110 didn;t go through anymore, in fact, nothing got through, only proxy works, and that switched from 192.168.100.12 to 192.168.100.1
09:06 < owl> ouch. thx.
09:06 < fake> but the new proxy has a corrected CONNECT directive ;)
09:07 < owl> had the same problem yesterday... and was shocked when i did a portscan on 192.168.100.1 and saw windows-machine (cuz i thought, the router was linux...)
09:07 < owl> corrected CONNECT directive? means?
09:09 < fake> *narf*
09:09 < fake> i was starting to wonder why the glibc build takes soooo long this time... hitting Ctrl+a+q solved that miracle.
09:10 < fake> owl: transconnect works
09:10 < owl> fake: hm. k. thx.
09:11 < fake> the challenge has hit stage 9 the day before yesterday
09:11 < fake> so.. monday, i think
09:11 < fake> and was compiling glibc all the day
09:11 < fake> but now i see, it were 'only' 11 hrs ;)
09:14 < rxr> the RS6000 also already finished a bootdisk target
09:14 < rxr> now I'll work to create a bootable image for it ...
09:14 < fake> rxr: this is my first build with stage 9 on mips ;)
09:15 < fake> rxr: but i still have problems with libnss_db.so
09:15 < fake> as long as that file is in /lib, i can't even chroot
09:15 < rxr> would be cool if you could create s.th. installable out of it ...
09:15 < fake> rxr: i plan to.
09:16 < fake> rxr: i will install the userland i just build on the indy and checkout the newport driver
09:16 < fake> rxr: i don't think a serial-console-only build would be of any use for 2.0.
09:16 < fake> (as in: would not impress anyone... there are still better distros out there)
09:17 < fake> *narf*
09:17 * fake changing rooms
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09:26 < rxr> hi daja77
09:26 < daja77> hi rxr
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09:32 < daja77> hi knoti
09:33 < knoti> moin
09:34 < knoti> Shit, I sleept over time!
09:34 < fake> knoti: but you have a good music taste.
09:34 < fake> and i slept over today, too.
09:34 < knoti> fake: huh?
09:34 < daja77> yeah me too, I am still sleepy >_<
09:35 < fake> knoti: you posted an excerpt of your playlist yesterday
09:36 < rxr> -beta7 released
09:36 < daja77> any new features in it?
09:36 < fake> rxr: narf. i didn't even yet finish the beta6 build on the challenge...
09:37 < fake> but that would be a good time to start a build on the cobalt, too ;))
09:37 < owl> gaaah! i want to quit this stupid "ausbildung"
09:37 < daja77> do you need official generic isos for beta7?
09:37 < knoti> fake: Thanks
09:40 < rxr> daja77: nope - we will enought -rc1 builds next week
09:40 < rxr> I also said that in the mail to the list ...
09:41 < daja77> haven't checked for mail today ...
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09:42 * daja77 falling asleep again
09:42 < daja77> cu
09:42 < rxr> cu daja77
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10:09 < rxr> freshmeat announcement out ... (need soem time to show up as usual)
10:25 < owl> https://www.csharp-station.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1140 << WAAAAAAAAAH!!!
10:29 < blindcoder> wtf is that?
10:29 < owl> blindcoder: that should be source code...
10:30 < owl> (and i have to code in this fscking ado.net and c# - *crying*)
10:31 < blindcoder> what does this code do?
10:31 < blindcoder> I can see for mysef that it is code
10:32 < owl> dunno... something with databases... and windows-forms. "click-an-button" --> "action1"
10:32 < owl> gnarf. shit. i don't want anymore.
10:34 < owl> blindcoder: do you know what is needed to change the company?
10:34 < blindcoder> duringb "ausbildung"?
10:35 < owl> yes
10:35 < blindcoder> that's more or less.... impossible
10:35 < blindcoder> it can be done
10:35 < blindcoder> but it's not that easy
10:36 < blindcoder> You have to trick the IHK into believing that you're young and dumb
10:38 < owl> (hehe. no problem. i'm 18 and dumb as bread... )
10:39 < blindcoder> hehe
10:39 < blindcoder> well, first you should search for a company which takes over the ausbildung
10:40 < blindcoder> then you have to quit at your current company
10:40 < owl> hmm.
10:40 < owl> (could be a problem. because i think they won't let their personal slave let go...)
10:40 < blindcoder> then apply at the new one with the comment "imade a mistake, I'm so sorry. I am young and didn't know what I was doing." or something like this
10:41 < owl> *rofl*
10:41 < blindcoder> you have to make the IHK believe that you madde a mistake out of the dumbness of youth
10:41 < blindcoder> why are you laughing? Did anyone tell a joke?
10:41 < blindcoder> I know for sure it wasn't me.
10:41 < owl> it is a "bitteres lachen".
10:42 < owl> don't mind...
10:42 < owl> "i was so dumb. please, please, pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasse give me another chance."
10:42 < owl> *gnarf*
10:42 < blindcoder> yos, something like that
10:42 < owl> that's so dumb...
10:43 < blindcoder> well, if you prefer staying where you are
10:43 < owl> hmm... there's another solution... a permanent one...
10:46 < owl> the joke: my beloved company doesn't give me a book i need to learn the fscking ado.net and c# crap as it seems now (my co-worker who is the "chief progrmmer" said to the boss, that we need it, because i have to learn the crap... was about 2 weeks ago - still no book here... ) and no new mouse as replacement as my defect ones... i have to use my private mouse. fuck off! i'm hating this fscking company! they're hirering new managers, who get over 2000 euro /month, b
10:46 < owl> *AAAARGH*
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10:49 < DeElsasser> moin
10:49 < owl> hi DeElsasser
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10:59 * blindcoder off to lunch
11:03 < owl> blindcoder: guten hunger
11:07 < rxr> owl: only 2000 EUR / month ? Must be really strange managers that they take so less ...
11:07 < owl> rxr: dunno.
11:08 < owl> btw. over...
11:09 < owl> but you know - books are so^100 expensive. and a mouse, too. and every worker is too expensive. and you have to work 24h/day 7d/week. without break. and so on.
11:10 < rxr> jups I now
11:10 < rxr> +k
11:12 < owl> :-(
11:18 < rxr> cu - off to work
11:20 < rxr> but we mave mices and books ... ;-)
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11:36 * blindcoder back
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11:37 < owl> hi Scandium
11:37 < Scandium> hi owl
11:46 < daja77> re
11:46 < owl> wb daja77
11:47 < daja77> thx owl
11:47 < daja77> .oO this was definitely too much sleep ...
11:47 < owl> yipeeh! now we have too less chairs! *ARGH*
11:48 < blindcoder> hrm?
11:49 < owl> blindcoder: too less chairs for people to sit at... (in the office...)
11:49 < Freak> too few
11:49 < Freak> not less
11:50 < Freak> SEE ALSO more(1)
11:50 < Freak> *g
11:50 < owl> "donations are welcome" - otherwise the company will be bancrupt sooner or later i guess
11:50 < owl> (and as it seems: sooner)
11:50 < blindcoder> well, then you can easily switch companies ^^
11:50 < daja77> haha I'll not donate to a borken windows company
11:50 < blindcoder> but first they'll make you stripp at the local naked-bar to raise some money
11:50 < owl> yes... but i won't finde one... i guess..
11:51 < owl> blindcoder: *kick*
11:51 < owl> daja77: asshole! don't laugh about this situation! it's not funny!
11:51 < blindcoder> muahahaha
11:51 < owl> blindcoder: ?
11:51 < Freak> what a bi?ch *heh
11:51 < daja77> hehe
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12:04 < blindcoder> rxr: would you be interested in the {pre,post}.conf thing or sholud I keep it until 2.1?
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12:12 < fake> hm.
12:15 < blindcoder> hmhm
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13:15 < esden> hi ho everyone!
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13:16 < blindcoder> hi esdi *hug*
13:19 < esden> hi blindcoder *rehug*
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13:20 < blindcoder> esden: how're the helidays?
13:20 < esden> blindcoder: great ... GREAT
13:20 < esden> I am having a lot of fun!
13:20 < blindcoder> doesn't sound convincing ^^:P
13:20 < esden> really? ... hmm ... then I should work on my expressions ;-)
13:21 < blindcoder> yeah ^^
13:21 * blindcoder looking forward to weekend ^^
13:23 < esden> I was training picking up girls the last days ;-)
13:23 < esden> that was great fun!!!
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13:24 < esden> was it more convincing?
13:25 < blindcoder> very :)
13:25 < blindcoder> Well, I'm continuing my training on Sunday ^^
13:27 < esden> I will continue tomorrow
13:27 < netrunner> esden: hi
13:27 < esden> hi netrunner 
13:27 < esden> *yawn*
13:28 < netrunner> esden: have you been to the klausureinsicht?
13:29 < esden> netrunner: nope ... I decided that even if I could rescue that exam I wauld prefere to write it once more ...
13:29 < esden> and the fuel is so expensive ;-)
13:29 < netrunner> esden: ah, I decided to be to lazy, same effect :)
13:32 < esden> netrunner: dont you see that my sescription describes lazyness? ... but I tryed to let it look better
13:32 < netrunner> esden: ah :)
13:33 < blindcoder> yes, you only tried... you weren't successful ^^
13:33 < netrunner> esden: you know, I decided not to buy a tent, instead I'll probably get a friend's bimobil (4wd toyota hylux with camping module on top)
13:33 < netrunner> esden: and one or two power generators :)
13:34 < esden> netrunner: wooooow
13:34 < esden> hmm ... I think one will be enough ... I have only a laptop ...
13:35 < netrunner> esden: I want to bring my builder to show off a litte :)
13:35 < esden> hehe ;-)
13:35 < netrunner> esden: and that one needs a pg for himself :)
13:35 < esden> I also would like to take my main box with me ... or one of the "strange" ones instead like the V100 or the alpha ...
13:36 < esden> but I have to drive lateron to poland and then to Vienna
13:36 < esden> so I do not think that is a good idea ...
13:36 < netrunner> esden: strange is better :) maybe I'll also bring the hdd's from my server, 0.5 TB ;)
13:36 < esden> urgh
13:36 < netrunner> esden: I can take your equipment back.
13:37 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... that would be a solution ... yes
13:37 < netrunner> esden: at least if I really get that car. there's enough space in the back.
13:38 < esden> netrunner: ok ... inform me please if you get that car ... then I will reorganize things so that some hardware drives with me to berlin
13:39 < netrunner> esden: how fast does your car go? maybe we could go in a convoi?
13:40 < netrunner> esden: that bimobil will only go ap- 90 km/h
13:40 < esden> netrunner: hehe ... that is ok
13:40 < esden> I normally drive 120 to 130 on the highway ...
13:41 < esden> but we also could drive in a convoi ... makes more fun ... 
13:41 < esden> and I am not all alone the whole way ;-)
13:41 < netrunner> ooh poor esden feels lonely :)
13:42 < netrunner> I'll bring my brother and a friend, they want to consume some ... weed there :) so we'll have fun :)
13:43 * netrunner off now, fetching sun
13:46 < esden> netrunner: lool ... I will have fun watching them ;-)
13:46 < esden> have fun netrunner 
13:50 < fake> weed is illegal in berlin - it is not HAL ;)
13:53 < esden> fake: lol
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13:54 * -> esden hearyng polish rap ... that stuff rulez!!!
13:54 < esden> hearing though
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13:57 < esden> ja rymy wale na wysoka skale ... wale rymy wale i sie wspinam niebywale ... rymy wale niebywale
13:58 < tcr> moin all
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14:09 < esden> moin tcr 
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14:37 < daja77> re
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14:39 < daja77> hi jsaw
14:40 < jsaw> re, hi daja77 , hi everybody
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14:48 < daja77> ok mail sent ...
14:51 < daja77> https://www.evil-genius.org/modules/xoopsgallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album06&id=Schusswechsel :)
14:56 < netrunner> daja77: is that you?
14:56 < daja77> no, the man with the evil look in the background is klaus knopper ;-)
15:13 < DeElsasser> re
15:13 < daja77> hi DeElsasser
15:13 < daja77> :)
15:13 < DeElsasser> daja77: how do you do
15:13 < DeElsasser> here 35°
15:14 < daja77> fine, slept too long again, but feeling nice this time
15:14 < DeElsasser> tendence +++++++++++++++
15:14 < daja77> yeah it is hot too, but I still have some jolt ...
15:15 < DeElsasser> jolt, yes, and you ask about spleeping....
15:15 < daja77> hehe
15:15 < DeElsasser> mean that somethink, jolt?
15:15 < daja77> btw your english is getting better :)
15:16 < DeElsasser> wo ist die butter?
15:16 < daja77> im kühlscharnk
15:16 < daja77> schrank
15:16 < DeElsasser> schlank
15:17 < DeElsasser> the last package is downloaded: this evening I give a Rock Party ;-)
15:17 < daja77> cool
15:17 < DeElsasser> someone tested the new kernel 2.6?
15:18 * daja77 not
15:21 < netrunner> DeElsasser: fake iirc
15:22 < netrunner>  .o( or was it freak? )
15:22 < daja77> fake is more likely
15:26 < DeElsasser> netrunner: hi
15:27 < DeElsasser> netrunner: fake tested 2.6?
15:32 < cytrinox> hi
15:33 * fake using 2.6
15:33 < DeElsasser> hehe
15:35 < DeElsasser> the last I tested was 2.5.73, had problems with devfs...
15:36 < esden> fake: what have you done so devfsd is not hanging at boot?
15:37 < DeElsasser> remove devfsd in rc2 I suppose, but then some devices don't work
15:37 < esden> that is a nasty fix ...
15:38 < rolla> grrr
15:38 < DeElsasser> esden: ?
15:38 < daja77> hi rolla ;-)
15:38 < fake> esden: nothing?
15:39 < fake> it just worked here
15:39 < fake> ;)
15:40 < esden> fake: no that is not possible ... you do some magic or so
15:40 < esden> ok ... /me -> tennis
15:40 < fake> nope
15:40 < esden> cu
15:40 < fake> cu
15:40 < daja77> cu esden
15:41 < DeElsasser> fake: is all ok with 2.6 and devfs? I remember, I had no pseudo terminal for X
15:42 < fake> DeElsasser, yeah, that wondered me too, i just built the devpts fs, too, and then it works.
15:42 < fake> i have problems with the longrun cpu feature being no longer detected, but i am working on that ;)
15:43 < DeElsasser> longrun?
15:45 < DeElsasser> little question: is there a special reason that sysvinit in version 2.84 and not 2.85?
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16:31 * rolla could kill redhat
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16:31 < rolla> re daja77
16:31 < daja77> :)
16:31 < Mike1> moin all.
16:32 < rolla> re Mike1
16:32 < rolla> who installs a linux system without gcc grrr
16:32 < Mike1> did anyone mention the words kill - redhat?
16:32 < Mike1> :)))
16:33 < DeElsasser> bonjour Mike1
16:33 < Mike1> bonjour DeElsasser
16:34 < rolla> Mike1: where do they hide the kernel headers
16:34 < Mike1> rolla: who redhat?
16:34 < rolla> yes
16:35 < DeElsasser> rolla: somewhere ower the rainbow
16:35 < Mike1> rolla: dunno yet, but gimme a few days and i will know, /me is learning redhat internals
16:36 < rolla> yeah they use to have a kernel-headers rpm and now there is not one but it is a req for gcc
16:36 < rolla> fuck heads
16:37 < daja77> hi Mike1
16:37 < Mike1> hi daja77
16:42 < netrunner> nice, those wlan dsl routers work flawlessly (just installed at a friend's)
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16:47 < rolla> oh well that is what --nodeps is for :)
16:52 < netrunner> rolla: there is a package kernel-headers
16:53 < rolla> for 8 ?
16:53 < daja77> yeah for every rh
16:53 < rolla> it is not on any of the cd's nor on there own website for download
16:53 < netrunner> /space/linux/rh-8.0/glibc-kernheaders-2.4-7.20.i386.rpm
16:54 < netrunner> weird name, I admit :)
16:54 < rolla> okay that is why I was not seeing it
16:54 < rolla> thanks
16:54 * netrunner was using rh before ... I came to the light :)
16:55 < rolla> same here but I remember the package being kernel-headers
16:55 < daja77> yes there was ...
16:56 < daja77> stupid rh
16:56 < rolla> grr
16:56 < rolla> all this so I can build apache
16:56 < Mike1> :)
16:58 < rolla> never let a phone guy build a linux box
16:58 < daja77> lol
17:01 < rolla> oh well I have to fix this damn thing
17:04 < DeElsasser> cu all
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17:08 < christ|an> hi
17:08 < daja77> hi christ|an
17:09 < tcr> re all
17:09 < christ|an> :)
17:09 < christ|an> hi daja77 - and bye :)
17:09 * christ|an is away: grillen
17:09 < tcr> Haven't so far got any feedback to my tshirt proposal
17:10 < tcr> C'mon guys..
17:10 < daja77> tcr: i don't wanna have this on a t-shirt
17:11 < netrunner> tcr: to much to read, I guess.
17:11 < daja77> exactly
17:12 < tcr> Well, yeah I thought that myself. But for fliers it would be appropriate
17:12 < daja77> yes maybe
17:12 < tcr> So, I made a suggestion,now it's your turn :P
17:15 * daja77 patting tcr's head, good boy ...
17:16 < tcr> That's just an attempt to distract yourself from work!
17:16 < tcr> Please create a tshirt design, right away
17:16 < tcr> so that I can pat you too :P
17:16 < daja77> :P
17:19 < esden> re hi all
17:19 < daja77> hi esden
17:20 < esden> hi daja77 
17:25 * daja77 off now
17:27 < esden> cu daja77 
17:29 < netrunner> cu daja
17:30 * netrunner surfin wireless (only works with a book under laptop :/
17:34 < christ|an> re
17:34 * christ|an is back (gone 00:24:31)
17:34 < Mike1> ping rxr
17:35 < Mike1> does anyone have a _TESTED_ spamassassin .gem package for x86 on hand to share with me?
17:35 < esden> netrunner: o_O
17:35 < esden> Mike1: sorry ... none here
17:35 < Mike1> esden: God bless you my brother
17:39 < netrunner> hm ... should I stay or should I go?
17:40 < Mike1> netrunner: stay :)\
17:41 < netrunner> Mike1: hm ... I smell rain closing by. and I have seen hailcorns of the size of a tennis ball going down in france :/
17:42 < netrunner> Mike1: and I am not at home -> my car is outside and my home-windows are not closed.
17:43 < Mike1> netrunner: oh, then maybe i would suggest go home
17:45 < esden> bless you too Mike1 
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18:10 < fake> ...
18:10 < fake> mips EB build should be finished tomorrow
18:10 < fake> that's exactly a week
18:10 < fake> rolla: the challenge is pretty fast!
18:13 < rolla> very cool
18:13 < rolla> glad it came of use
18:13 < fake> great you sent it ;)
18:16 < rolla> back in the time when I could ship to DE without the company careing :0
18:17 < fake> yeah
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18:20 < fake> huh
18:21 < fake> there is such a thing as a 'QT-syndrome' in medicine
18:25 < fake> oh, it's a value in an EKG...
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18:42 < esden> ok ... I go to bitz now
18:42 < esden> fake: you are wellcome too ;-)
18:43 < esden> cu guys
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18:51 < cytrinox> re
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19:14 < tcr> re
19:22 < Mike1> welcome tcr
19:28 < esden> re hi all
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19:35 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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19:36 < tcr> So, Mike1, esden, blindcoder... let's come up with a topic for discussion
19:36 < tcr> I'm kinda bored
19:36 < Mike1> tcr: mm...anime?
19:37 < Mike1> hi esden and blindcoder
19:37 < blindcoder> hi mikey
19:37 < Mike1> welcome mnemoc
19:37 < esden> hehe ;-)
19:37 < esden> anime is cool
19:37 < mnemoc> hi
19:37 < tcr> Hmm, no I've no particular interest in anime
19:37 < tcr> moin mnemoc
19:38 < esden> huhu mnemoc 
19:41 < mnemoc> hi tcr,esde, mike, bc :)
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19:43 < tcr> esde, that sounds italian
19:44 < tcr> Well, I don't know how someone with an italian accent speaks spanish
19:44 < tcr> But italians, speaking german, add often an e to words
19:45 < mnemoc> i have italian passport but i don't speak italian and dunno if i would add 'e' to german words ;)
19:46 < esden> ok ... I am off now once more ;-)
19:46 < tcr> It's more to that, they also use a slightly different wordflow
19:46 < tcr> It's more than that
19:47 < tcr> But I generally like that accent very much
19:49 * mnemoc hates male-french accent :|
19:50 < tcr> Yea
19:51 * tcr is off too
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20:21 < mnemoc> brb
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21:47 < daja77> re
21:48 < mnemoc> wb daja77
21:49 < daja77> hi mnemoc
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21:50 < A-Tui> hi
21:50 < daja77> hi A-Tui, how are you
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21:51 < A-Tui> hi daja77, i'm fine thanks, i'm looking the scripts files for Rock
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22:24 < esden> hi all
22:25 < daja77> huhu esden
22:26 < esden> huhu daja77 
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22:29 < daja77> esden: how are you
22:31 < rolla> yawn
22:31 < daja77> rolla you lazy guy, what's up
22:33 < rolla> bored
22:33 < rolla> I need to load rock on my athlon tonight so I can finish setting it up as a server
22:34 * daja77 download to do a new builöd
22:34 < daja77> build, d'oh
22:35 < esden> daja77: I am fine ... I am pretty tired ... but I am fine ... 
22:36 < esden> I will drink my coke to the end ... and drive home to take a nap
22:36 < daja77> and drink harder stuff there ...
22:37 < SMP> wahaha
22:37 < SMP> jsaw: I was first ;p
22:37 < Mike1> hi SMP
22:37 < SMP> jo hi
22:37 < daja77> hi SMP
22:39 < Mike1> re all btw
22:39 < jsaw> SMP: yep.
22:39 < jsaw> re all btw :)
22:41 < jsaw> Mike1: had any time for look into gnome2 news?
22:41 < Mike1> jsaw: not yet my friend still damn busy, but it is in my todo
22:42 < jsaw> Mike1: ho ho. I'm just fixing scrollkeeper and gconf (test build is running). So I thought. But I have other stuff to do also (actually more important but less fun...)
22:43 < Mike1> jsaw: fun first :)
22:43 < Mike1> ... please :)
22:43 < jsaw> k, try to
22:43 < knoti> where can i download psutils? The path given in the package description is a dangling link?
22:43 < knoti> This is a real bitch.
22:44 < daja77> Mike1: bring some chicks top 20c3 and we'll have fun...
22:44 < daja77> to
22:44 < Mike1> daja77: no worries chicks will come once i am in de
22:44 < Mike1> :)
22:44 < Mike1> they won't resist a latino :P
22:44 < daja77> hehe
22:44 < jsaw> :)
22:45 < jsaw> well, don't try to advertise with that if you're interested in the really interesting girls...
22:45 < Mike1> jsaw: i know
22:46 < Mike1> no worries :)
22:46 < jsaw> oh, is this everywhere so? I just know a _tiny_ bit about german girls.
22:46 < daja77> hope to meet my girl tomorrow ...
22:58 < fake> hiho
22:58 < Mike1> hohi fake
22:58 < daja77> hey fake
22:59 * fake is all sleepy
22:59 < Mike1> fake: coffee?
22:59 < daja77> no coffee anymore?
22:59 * -> esden is sleepy too
22:59 < fake> i am event too sleepy to get up and make some
23:00 < Mike1> esden: you are always sleepy
23:00 < Mike1> :)
23:00 < daja77> *ggg*
23:00 < Mike1> fake: make daja77 ur slave so he makes coffee for you
23:00 < esden> Mike1: no not allways ... but most of the time
23:01 < Mike1> esden: well of course you ar not sleepy when you are sleeping
23:01 < esden> Mike1: daja77 is the coffee making robot ... 
23:01 < esden> Mike1: full ack
23:01 < Mike1> esden: :)
23:01 < esden> Mike1: or when I am with a beautyfull women ;-)
23:01 < fake> Mike1: how about a fully automated coffee machine in near range for now?
23:01 < esden> fake: a slave is less expensive
23:02 < daja77> esden: hehe if you sleep then ....
23:02 < esden> and daja77 even less
23:02 < esden> daja77: I do not sleep then ... I do sports ;-)
23:02 < fake> am i totally stupid or does it have to say 'always' and 'beautiful' ?
23:02 < Mike1> fake: well you don't need to clean up a slave
23:02 < fake> just wondering
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23:03 < daja77> esden: I am a very expensive save ...
23:03 < esden> fake: that is esden spelling you know?
23:03 < daja77> + tcr is our slave, you forgtot
23:03 < fake> esden: no, that was not my constant ortographic begging, no offense ment
23:03 < fake> i thought owl is the coffee hostress?
23:04 < daja77> full in the sense of drunk you know this is esden
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23:04 * Mike1 sicks of coffee, who wants some beer?
23:04 < fake> .oO( as nobody comments, i take it i was right with my spelling... _
23:04 < fake> )
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23:05 < fake> no..
23:05 < fake> how about some camomile tea?
23:05 < esden> fake: right in the means of fake spelling ;-)
23:05 * daja77 gets a jolt ...
23:06 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.193.225.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:06 < Mike1> daja77: hey that jolt is mine !!!
23:07 < daja77> nope ...
23:07 < Mike1> :(
23:07 < Mike1> i want some
23:07 < fake> if 2 argue, it's time to take action :
23:07 * fake gets the jolt, opens it and drinks it in one 
23:07 * daja77 gives Mike1 one of _his_ jolt
23:08 < fake> in one... whatever
23:08 < Mike1> fake: hehe
23:08 < fake> *boerp*
23:08 < daja77> fake: haha, just remebering our return ....
23:08 < Mike1> daja77: give our good friend fake a can too
23:08 < daja77> another one, no
23:08 * fake rises eyebrows
23:08 < daja77> don't like him burping
23:09 < fake> awww.... Massive Attack - Hymn of the big wheel
23:09 * -> esden hearing polish rap ;-)
23:09 < daja77> omg
23:10 < esden> that stuff is gooood!!! but you should understand what the rap ...
23:10 < esden> s/the/they/
23:11 < daja77> yeah sure ....
23:12 < fake> if i hear german rap, i wish i wouldn't most of the time...
23:12 < daja77> lol
23:12 < fake> i mean, i wouldn't understand what they are brabbling
23:12 < esden> because they rap crap here in germany
23:13 < esden> because there is not really anything you can really complain about ...
23:13 < esden> and rap is about complaining
23:13 < fake> i am not expertised enough to judge the quality of [rap].
23:13 < daja77> we could complain about esden ...
23:13 < fake> daja77: go ahead
23:14 < daja77> hehe
23:14 < fake> ladies and gentlemen - daja77 is in da hooouze...
23:14 < daja77> yesss and Iwante to warn you about that guy -esden
23:15 < fake> (no he isn't! he's on the toilet! LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! BUTTHEAD IS ON THE TOILET! hrmhm. this is kewl)
23:15 < daja77> :)
23:15 < fake> (just remembering that cool cher feat. beavis & butthead album)
23:15 < daja77> oggs?
23:16 < fake> nope, i had a lousy copied MC of that
23:16 < daja77> ugh
23:16 < fake> it got ... 'compressed' alltogether with my car after that car crash
23:16 < daja77> well I could ask mutella about that ...
23:17 < esden> hmm ... minicasettes inclusive a mini casette player ...
23:17 < fake> esden: yes, that one. did you ever see the photos of my car?
23:17 < esden> that is nice
23:17 < esden> fake: no I have not ...
23:17 < fake> esden: it looked like... a car.... somehow. at least it had some tires... somewhere
23:17 < esden> fake: do you still have the photo's somewhere?
23:18 < fake> esden: i'd have to search for them, and if i get up now, i will go straight to bed
23:18 < fake> they are analog, taken by some 'gutachter'
23:20 < daja77> fake you are inviteted to comment the linuxtag mails, if you think sth should be added
23:21 < fake> daja77: that'd mean i'd have to type Ctrl+a+1 now
23:21 < fake> that are three keys in a row
23:21 < daja77> hehehe you can do that tomorrow of course
23:21 < fake> you can't expect that from me right now
23:21 < fake> i will ;)
23:21 < fake> i planned to, anyways
23:21 < daja77> good
23:21 < fake> and also to tcr
23:21 < cytrinox> hi
23:21 < daja77> lol
23:22 < fake> and i wanted to point out the broken 'more screenshots' link on the bottom of the screenshots page
23:22 < fake> hi cytrinox
23:22 < daja77> re cytrinox
23:23 < fake> (i should stop using the channel logs as notebook... NOTE: don't forget A. Z.'s Birthday on 24.7....)
23:23 < fake> (that is the same day your brother has, stupid!)
23:23 < daja77> fake: go to bed!
23:24 < fake> nooo
23:24 < daja77> :P
23:26 < fake> i have a far greater problem
23:26 < fake> i want to smoke
23:26 < fake> but i'd have to get up for that, too
23:26 * daja77 sings a bit to scare fake away
23:26 * fake joins in
23:27 < daja77> ...what can I tell you my brother, my killer, what can i possible say ....
23:28 < fake> ... i have no idea what my lines should be... lalala...
23:28 < daja77> hehe
23:28 < fake> hoho
23:28 < daja77> hihi
23:28 < fake> .oO( is that the refrain ? )
23:28 < fake> haha
23:28 < daja77> nope
23:29 < daja77> huhu
23:29 < fake> ok, now YOU go to bed
23:29 < daja77> ok sequence complete
23:29 < daja77> noooo
23:29 < fake> oh, -O4
23:29 < fake> how uncommon.
23:29 * daja77 np: 
23:30 < daja77> d'oh
23:30 < daja77> anyway
23:31 < fake> *sigh* my body is pretty insisting about wanting to smoke
23:31 < daja77> you should kick your body
23:32 < esden> fake: give you a nicotine injection 
23:32 < esden> hmm ... fwchat is dead
23:32 < daja77> firewall chat?
23:33 < esden> daja77: hehe
23:34 < fake> daja77: that is bad.
23:34 < fake> daja77: i mean kicking myself
23:34 < daja77> you havent even tried :P
23:35 < fake> daja77: don't say that...
23:35 < fake> however, i'll get a cigarette now.
23:35 < daja77> cu
23:35 < esden> fake: take something sharp and cut yourself ... the pain will deflect the concentration of your body from nicotine
23:36 < daja77> wee linux26 download finished
23:36 < fake> esden: that is not funny
23:36 < fake> stop it right away
23:37 < esden> fake: I also do not think that it is funny ... but it is a solution
23:38 < SMP> fake: instead of inhaling through the cigarette you could also just press the glowing cigarette onto your skin, pretty soon you won't feel a desire anymore ;P
23:39 < daja77> hey this is unfair, I don't wanted to do bad jokes about smokers....
23:43 < rxr> re
23:44 < daja77> hi rr
23:44 < daja77> d'oh
23:44 < daja77> hi rxr
23:46 < cytrinox> re rxr
23:47 < daja77> wtf is bibletime package
23:48 < jsaw> daja77: a bible and similiar text reader/study program
23:49 < daja77> ic
23:53 < daja77> hmm found their hp ...
23:56 < esden> re rxr 
23:57 < esden> daja77: /me is also a smoker ... so I can do bad jokes about them *VBEG*
23:57 < fake> esden, SMP: ihr seid so feinfuehlig wie ein nashorn
23:57 < esden> fake: wir geben uns muehe, bu bist ja unser vorbild was das angeht ;-)
23:57 < SMP> if you can't stand the deat, get out of the kitchen
23:57 < SMP> ehm. s,deat,heat,
23:58 < fake> lasst mich das korrigieren: wie 2 nilpferde
23:59 < fake> i think i should shut up, or i'll get bombarded even more...
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