--- Log opened Thu Jul 17 00:00:03 2003
--- Day changed Thu Jul 17 2003
00:00 < esden> fake: ahh nice so you are the third one :-> but a so big one that you can not get out of the water ;-)
00:00 < daja77> gnba day changed
00:00 < esden> daja77: such nasty things happen ...
00:00 < fake> *sigh*
00:00 < daja77> i know
00:01 < Mike1> rxr: hi
00:01 < daja77> nasty things happen when esden is around
00:01 < fake> i think i'll leave
00:01 < daja77> n8 fake :)
00:01 < rxr> -beta7 reference build:
00:01 < rxr> 1661 builds total, 534 completed fine, 9 with errors
00:01 < rxr> so far ...
00:01 < esden> fake: are you feeling bad? ... perhups a hug will help
00:01 < esden> daja77: yes I know ... I emit the nasty rays *G*
00:02 < fake> esden: shut the f*** up... err.. i mean... no, i don't think so
00:02 < fake> rxr: which fail?
00:02 < esden> fake: ROFL ... I knew you will like the idea
00:02 * fake is not in the mood for jokes
00:03 < rxr>  [5] alessandro/postfix                  [5] sirkull/dansguardian
00:03 < rxr>  [5] gnome2/gtk-perl10                   [5] gnome2/gnome-nautilus22
00:03 < rxr>  [5] gnome14/gimp12                      [5] miguel/evolution
00:03 < rxr>  [5] rene/sylpheed                       [5] rene/wv2
00:03 < rxr>  [5] rene/avifile
00:03 < rxr> so far ...
00:03 < Mike1> 0_o evolution
00:03 < esden> fake: that is a mess
00:03 < Mike1> rxr: can i jhave ur err file for evolution please
00:03 < Mike1> rxr: also nome-nautilus22
00:04 < fake> rxr: i see no fake there, very nice.
00:04 < Mike1> rxr: i already was aware of gtk-perl10
00:04 < jsaw> I have some patches ready: wv2 (sent yesterday), gtk-perl10 and gnome-nautilus22 (waiting for finishing build)
00:04 < Mike1> jsaw: good boy
00:04 * SMP needs a 'how to make a ROCK package for beginners in 10 easy steps', can you believe that.. ;-P
00:04 < fake> SMP: here we go
00:05 < Mike1> SMP: you have to be kidding
00:05 < fake> 1) learn to read
00:05 < fake> 2) read 'UNIX in a nutshell'
00:05 < fake> ...
00:05 < fake> 3) read it again
00:05 < esden> 3) read the rock documentation
00:05 < daja77> hehe
00:05 < esden> 5) read the rocklinux source
00:06 < fake> 3.75) did you read it?
00:06 < jsaw> rxr: gconf and scrollkeeper compile but are wrong, 2 (also patches will be sent, went build finished)
00:06 < SMP> the priorities have been a complete mystery to me since the beginning
00:07 < jsaw> rxr: dansguardian is easy to fix: exchange [D] in desc file to [D] 2245120304 DansGuardian-2.6.1-3.source.tar.gz http://sun.dansguardian.org/downloads/2/Stable/
00:07 < fake> SMP: welcome aboard. i don't get them either, but nobody complained so far ;)
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00:11 * fake listening to Vangelis - Adiemus
00:11 < rxr> jsaw: ok
00:11 < SMP> svn sucks
00:12 < SMP> the metadata updates kill my harddrive
00:12 < fake> your harddrive sucks
00:12 < SMP> how did you know that?
00:12 < fake> because svn sucks, and 'gleich und gleich gesellt sich gern' ;)
00:13 * Mike1 mad at the chan.
00:13 < Mike1> cu
00:13 < fake> o_O
00:13 < fake> sorrt
00:13 < jsaw> cu Mike1
00:13 < fake> i can't translate that
00:13 < fake> something like 'great minds think alike'
00:14 < mnemoc> re
00:14 < fake> *sigh*
00:14 < daja77> fake: nope this birds of a feather flock togethter
00:14 < daja77> this is
00:15 < fake> daja77: get a cookie, grind
00:15 < fake> ;)
00:15 * daja77 gets the cookie
00:15 < rxr> jsaw: that URL is also invalid
00:16 < daja77> well I had an english teacher (from britain) who was fond of such things
00:16 < rxr> I had to update it a bit ...
00:16 < rxr> gzip->bzip2 + cksum-test: download/sirkull/dansguardian/DansGuardian-2.7.1-4.source.tar.gz
00:16 < jsaw> huh
00:16 < jsaw> changed in the last 2 hours!
00:16 < fake> daja77: lucky you
00:17 * fake made Mike1 go... -_-
00:18 < daja77> fake: that's wher the bof sessions aree based on :)
00:18 < rxr> does "vsftpd.beasts.org" work for someone here ?
00:18 < fake> nope
00:18 < SMP> isn't is supposed to be 'scary.beasts.org'?
00:19 < fake> Forbidden
00:20 < jsaw> rxr: if you're at it, can you recheck webmin cksum?
00:20 < daja77> 1why do we need that crap package anyway
00:20 < fake> vsftpd?
00:20 < daja77> webmin
00:20 < fake> ACK
00:21 < fake> webmin is one of the most 3v1l pkgs
00:21 < daja77> :)
00:21 < rxr> can someone find out the official - and working - URL for vsftpd ?
00:22 < SMP> fake: *complain*
00:23 < daja77> http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ maybe it is just temporarily down
00:23 < fake> smp: hm?
00:23 < mnemoc> Name Error: The domain name does not exist.
00:24 < SMP> fake: pri 110 for bluez-utils seems to be way too low to me
00:24 < rxr> does s.o. has that file - I could push it into the ROCK mirrors ...
00:24 < daja77> which version
00:25 < rxr> vsftpd
00:25 < daja77> wuah, which version?!
00:25 < SMP> I have it
00:25 < fake> rxr: isn't the priority altered by some script after cache file creation?
00:26 < fake> i.e. after a reference build
00:26 < SMP> pri 999 for snort / cantus are also rogue
00:26 < rxr> fake: yes it should be
00:26 < fake> SMP: :P
00:26 < SMP> so how do I chose the pri for a new package?
00:27 < rxr> SMP: put it after the last depdency of that package
00:27 < rxr> e.g. gtk+2 has 666
00:27 < rxr> and it is the last pacakge it depdends on -> 667
00:28 < rxr> they will get automatically resorted after a reference build
00:28 < SMP> rxr: http://demo.wronline.de/stefan/vsftpd-1.2.0.tar.gz
00:28 < rxr> e.g. when a updated package has a new dependency ...
00:30 < rxr> SMP: thanks on the master mirror now ...
00:31 < SMP>  . o O ( hope noone finds my backdoor ;p )
00:32 < fake> USER smp PASS smp ?
00:32 < jsaw> .oO(this sounds like a call for everybody to try to find it)
00:33 * fake just fell asleep
00:33 < fake> im going to bed, bye
00:33 < daja77> n8 fake!
00:33 < fake> and tell Mike1 i'm sorry
00:34 < rxr> SMP: the checksum seems to passed the checksum test ..
00:34 < jsaw> SMP: Apache 1.3.27?
00:35 < SMP> jsaw: in the vsftpd tarball, stupid ;)
00:36 < jsaw> SMP: ? don't understand. I was talking about your provider.
00:38 < jsaw> SMP: get them to update OpenSSL!!!!!!
00:39 < daja77> you forgot the 1 :)
00:39 < cytrinox> gn8
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00:40 < SMP> jsaw: there is no problem with openssl 0.9.6e apart from some bizarre cryptographic attacs that I really don't give a shit about
00:41 < daja77> wow good attitude for an admin ...
00:42 < SMP> wow, you can recover a secret key if you make a few million requests
00:43 < daja77> which is of course totally impossibel, no? wake upo my friend
00:43 < daja77> damn tpos
00:43 < jsaw> muahahaha
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00:49 < daja77> n8 you all
00:49 < rxr> yes - n8 on my side, too.
00:49 < rxr> cu
00:49 < jsaw> cu daja77 ,rxr
00:49 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77, rxr
00:50 < SMP> does anyone here play ksame? ;)
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00:59 < jsaw> SMP: what is ksame?
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00:59 < SMP> a game, /opt/kde31/bin/ksame
01:01 < jsaw> is "Same GNOME" the same?
01:02 < SMP> yes
01:05 < jsaw> I normally play flightgear or mahjongg
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01:16 < rxr> jes flightgear really rocks
01:17 < rxr> SMP: I'll just commit the first tiny Create-ISO improvement to ditribute the .gem files in aplphabetical order
01:17 < rxr> more specific selection (e.g. by the targets) has to be done later ...
01:17 < SMP> alphabetical? how is that an improvement? ;)
01:19 < mnemoc> rxr: how is currently done?
01:19 < mnemoc> prio?
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01:20 < rxr> mnemoc: up to day it was random
01:21 < rxr> SMP: it was random (inode layout in FS) - so 00-sysfiles was often on disk 2 or 3 ...
01:21 < rxr> other modifications are not that easy in the current code
01:22 < rxr> I think I'll implement a new PKG tag in the iso description for this ...
01:22 < rxr> but not this week - the network config is more important ..
01:23 < mnemoc> rxr: isn't prio a better option?
01:23 < rxr> mnemoc: nope repository
01:23 < rxr> and I want to let targets change this
01:23 < rxr> but the default will be base first and gnome don't care or so
01:24 < mnemoc> gnome and kde at the end ;)
01:24 < rxr> so you get a base disk with CD1 only - and the GNOME crap can be skipped if the CD3 is missing ...
01:25 < rxr> but this will be a bigger change in the ISO creation - so the other real bug-fixes will be scheduled first ..
01:26 < mnemoc> ok
01:26 < mnemoc> rc1 for next week :)
01:26 < rxr> wow 99GB on gsmp this months so far ...
01:26 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - including really tested ISOs and hopefully RS600 support
01:26 < jsaw> wasn't it 89GB 1 or 2 days ago?
01:27 < rxr> but I'm already in bed and will sleep the book now ...
01:27 < rxr> jsaw: ... ...
01:27 < rxr> 12 Jul 2003
01:27 < rxr> 139
01:27 < rxr> 314
01:27 < rxr> 1452
01:27 < rxr> 4.40 GB
01:27 < rxr> 13 Jul 2003
01:27 < rxr> 126
01:27 < rxr> 371
01:27 < rxr> 1309
01:27 < rxr> 9.79 GB
01:27 < rxr> 14 Jul 2003
01:27 < rxr> 170
01:28 < rxr> 434
01:28 < rxr> 2045
01:28 < rxr> 11.47 GB
01:28 < rxr> 15 Jul 2003
01:28 < rxr> 170
01:28 < rxr> 428
01:28 < rxr> 1966
01:28 < rxr> 10.37 GB
01:28 < rxr> 16 Jul 2003
01:28 < rxr> 170
01:28 < rxr> 478
01:28 < rxr> 2390
01:28 < rxr> 3.78 GB
01:28 < rxr> 17 Jul 2003
01:28 < rxr> 4
01:28 < rxr> 4
01:28 < rxr> 27
01:28 < rxr> 2.88 MB
01:28 < rxr> oO - sorry I though it will paste nicer ...
01:29 < SMP> c&p from webpages _never_ works - even though it could
01:29 < rxr> so off now - cu
01:29 < jsaw> post-linux tag-downs?
01:29 < mnemoc> run rxr run
01:29 < jsaw> sleep well rxr
01:29 < rxr> jsaw: post-linux what ?
01:30 < SMP> post-LinuxTag downloads
01:30 < jsaw> merci
01:30 < rxr> jsaw: it was that high all the time ...
01:31 < jsaw> ~200G a month, who pays?
01:34 < SMP> tax-payer
01:37 < jsaw> ah, right. I forgot gsmp's domain name...
01:39 < esden> good night everyone
01:43 < jsaw> n8 esden
01:44 < jsaw> tired 2, good night
01:45 < mnemoc> jsaw: tfh-berlin.de
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02:36 < mnemoc> i just realised rock has no adduser tool :-\
02:37 < mnemoc> oh... useradd :)
02:41 < capchaos> useradd :)
02:41 < mnemoc> i have been using vi; pwconv al this time without noticing :)
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03:15 < holyolli> moin
03:15 < holyolli> mike1?
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03:58 < mistik1> can rocklinux be installed in full without anything KDE invovled?
03:58 < mistik1> that is no kdelibs, no kdetools, no utils that depend on it
03:59 < mistik1> I'm looking to replace all my distros, i want nothing at all to do with KDE, that is I dont even want mention of it installed on my boxes not even a readme
04:04 < mnemoc> mistik1: of course
04:04 < mnemoc> you can *build* a rock with no kde related stuff
04:06 < mnemoc> just adding '- kde31/*' to your package selector (pkgsel)
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04:07 < mistik1> mnemoc: thank you much
04:07 < mistik1> I'll be checking it out on a PII 333MHz that has become free and go from there
04:08 < mnemoc> if you have anyproblem adding that line don't doubt to come to ask ;)
04:09 < mistik1> ;-)
04:10 < mistik1> was it you I was talking to my fist day here about a uClibc target
04:10 < mistik1> I am very interested in this
04:11 < mistik1> more so than even going full distro right now
04:12 < mnemoc> the idea is to add uclibc as a package for any target which want to use it...
04:12 < mistik1> hmm
04:12 < mnemoc> then you can do a target (sub-distro) in your own way ;)
04:12 < mistik1> lemme explain a little of what I need to do....
04:13 < mnemoc> go on
04:13 < mistik1> I have a little OS i'm working on geared towards being a firewall/gateway appliance...
04:14 < mistik1> I have a prototype system setup that was based on debian which works well but is still too large for my needs
04:14 < mistik1> I figure from what I have been reading regards to how rock works I could use uClibc to build what I needed fairly easily
04:15 < SMP> use OpenBSD / MicroBSD ;)
04:15 < mistik1> I NOT want BSD at all
04:15 < mistik1> I want linux
04:16 < mistik1> I have no love for ipfw/ipnat
04:16 < mnemoc> mistik1: you first have to add uclibc package with a parse-config to patch the three versions of gcc
04:17 < mnemoc> then a config module to disable glibc
04:17 < SMP> mistik1: OpenBSD's pf really kicks the heck out of ipfw/ipf/netfilter ;)
04:18 < mistik1> yea yea
04:18 < mnemoc> then a good package selection for your target, with proper flistdel filters, and you will be done
04:18 < mistik1> I have run OpenBSD firewalls, they are ok but I find it as limiting to the user as the cracker
04:18 < SMP> well all my servers run ROCK, but if it filters packets, then it's OpenBSD
04:19 < mnemoc> SMP, you are not good for PR :-\
04:19 < mistik1> SMP: that was the case for me when I was running 2.0.x servers
04:19 < SMP> because I don't tell any lies? ;)
04:20 < SMP> netfilter just sucks balls
04:20 < mistik1> I dont see where OpenBSD now has anything on netfilter imho
04:20 < mistik1> I've been over this with guys that do nothing but design obsd firewalls
04:21 < mistik1> most my buds all run BSD of some type
04:22 < mnemoc> SMP: you could add BSD stuff in your own repo and create a RockBSD ;)
04:22 < mistik1> mnemoc: can I dcc you something?
04:23 < mnemoc> mail
04:23 < SMP> well, in ROCK 2.1 the FreeBSD Kernel is supposed to appear as an alternative to Linux :)
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07:06 < blindcoder> moin
07:14 < n00kie_> Moin bliindy
07:14 < n00kie_> blindy
07:17 < blindcoder> hi n00kie_
07:17 < n00kie_> Lazy Tabuser ;-)
07:17 < blindcoder> sure ^^
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09:13 < joss> seems like a good work, is the emerge-pkg really allready available in beta8 :)?
09:13 < joss> beta7 sorry
09:14 < joss> what abou precompiled ones, also with dep support? and also vailable to download them in rock?
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09:18 < dewey> good day mates
09:18 < dewey> I am trying to d/l 2.0.0 beta4+ but 1st cd comes up weith wrong md5sum?
09:20 < blindcoder> the beta4 got modified short after release
09:20 < blindcoder> seems like rxr didn't update the md5sum after that.
09:20 < blindcoder> there was an error which prevented it from booting
09:20 < dewey> so what is the md5sum for cd1?
09:21 < dewey> hmm ok
09:21 < dewey> so bag 2.0.0-4 and go with 2.0.0-3?
09:24 < joss> dewey hoe do you download precompiled gems with rock?
09:25 < joss> possible?
09:26 < dewey> ?
09:26 < joss> in rock, with ime for an example, so if someone is compiled rock sources for 686 archdicture for an example will be there a possibility to download those gem-s with dep support in rock?
09:27 < dewey> I have no idea I am new to rock
09:27 < blindcoder> dewey: no, you can use 2.0.0-4 as it is now
09:29 < joss> blindecoder: what about those precompiled gems, possible to download with dep check?
09:30 < blindcoder> dep check, no. download, yes.
09:30 < blindcoder> right now, there is no system for checking runtime dependencies.
09:31 < esden> good morning everyone
09:31 < esden> *yawn*
09:31 < blindcoder> moin esden
09:31 < blindcoder> esden: can you take oer here? I'd like to get breakfast ^^
09:32 < dewey> blindcoder: ok I am d/l cd1 again from a different mirror I think and differwent md5sum.
09:32 < n00kie_> Moin Esden :)
09:32 < n00kie_> Sleeped good?
09:32 < esden> oer?
09:32 < esden> blindcoder: I leave to munich in half an hour
09:32 < n00kie_> Have fun, esden
09:32 < esden> n00kie_: yes thank you ... but not long enough
09:33 < n00kie_> hehe
09:33 < esden> n00kie_: and you?
09:33 < n00kie_> Well, just 4hrs
09:33 < n00kie_> damn "hitze"
09:33 < n00kie_> tropical weather
09:33 < esden> n00kie_: I can sleep in every condition
09:33 < dewey> I did have the right cd1 just the wrong md5sum from the one site I used for my d/l.
09:33 < dewey> well, I am off to bed bbl
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09:34 < daja77> moin
09:34 < n00kie_> morning daja :)
09:34 < esden> moin daja77!!! *hug*
09:34 < n00kie_> How are you, Daniel?
09:34 < daja77> fine, Daniel
09:34 < daja77> hi esden *rehug*
09:34 < joss> blincoder: gem download from where http://...............
09:34 < joss> ?
09:35 < joss> just with brwoswer you mean?
09:35 < esden> joss: file:///usr/local/data/rock-trunk/build/...
09:35 < joss> browser
09:35 < esden> joss: file:///usr/local/data/rock-trunk/build/packages/
09:35 < fake> morning
09:36 < esden> morning fake!
09:36 < n00kie_> moin fake
09:36 < n00kie_> Everybody stands up 09:30
09:36 * fake did stand up at 6:50
09:36 < daja77> na /me awake since 9:00
09:36 < fake> s,stand up,get up,
09:36 < daja77> fake: haha
09:36 < joss> esden: so what is the script to download those packages file:///usr/local/data/rock-trunk/build/packages/..?
09:36 < n00kie_> Everybody comes here at 09:30 ;)
09:36 < fake> i have to travel to work every morning...
09:36 < n00kie_> Where do you live and where do you work?
09:37 < fake> ingolstadt <-> munich
09:37 < daja77> so yuo are sleepy too today?
09:37 < esden> ok ... I get some food
09:37 < esden> cu l8er
09:37 < n00kie_> Oh, that's a bit away
09:37 < joss> essden: and can this script list all gem packages available to dwonload?
09:37 < n00kie_> bye esden
09:37 < fake> i had my guarana injection already.
09:37 < daja77> don't let esden excape with the food
09:38 < joss> I had a knee operation yestirday :)
09:38 < daja77> *gnarf* we currently do not offer gems over the net
09:39 < fake> i thought there were loopback-mounted isos on the server now?
09:39 < daja77> really
09:39 * daja77 checking
09:39 < n00kie_> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/x86/pkgs/
09:40 < n00kie_> But I guess not the actual wrong
09:40 < daja77> ic
09:41 < daja77> ah cool
09:43 * blindcoder back
09:43 * blindcoder awake since 04:20, so stfu
09:45 < daja77> *yawn*
09:53 < ringo78> moin daja77
09:53 < Freak> ack.
09:53 < Freak> yawn2
09:54 < daja77> hi ringo78 :)
09:55 < ringo78> hi daja77 have you any sugs on dualbooting xp/rock ?
09:56 < daja77> well I currently doin this on my sisters box
09:56 < ringo78> you installed xp then you installed grub with some params ?
09:57 < daja77> I did normal grub install with stone
09:57 < daja77> afterwards I edited menu.lst
09:58 < ringo78> thanks Ill try that hopefully Ill be able to boot xp again ...
09:59 < daja77> sure you'll do, just need an appropriate entry
10:01 * daja77 laughing about the pongo thread
10:02 < n00kie_> Has Linux 2.2.25 has the large file support option ?
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10:07 < daja77> 2.2.25??!
10:08 < daja77> maybe you should consult the changelogs
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10:13 < d3mian> hi
10:13 < daja77> hi d3mian
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10:33 < Demian> mails answered.. cya later
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11:08 < rxr> re
11:08 < esden> re rxr 
11:11 < daja77> hi rxr
11:16 < rxr> hi esden daja77
11:18 < joss> rxr: beta7 isos somewhere?
11:20 < rxr> joss: no - it is _only_ an intermediate milestone for reference
11:21 < rxr> wi will have a -rc1 next week and create and verify ISOs for this upcomming release
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11:21 < rxr> s/wi/we/ ...
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11:23 < daja77> oh that reminds me of doin a new build
11:27 < rxr> joss: you can savely take the -beta6 or wait for the -rc1 (or an unofficial -beta7 ...
11:30 < cytrinox> hi
11:30 * fake is deprecated
11:31 < rxr> Freak: why ?
11:31 < rxr> s.th. with a mips box ?
11:32 < fake> no, i am just plain deprecated
11:32 < fake> ;)
11:38 < daja77> hmm birthday?
11:38 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
11:38 < daja77> :)
11:39 < daja77> download/alessandro/webmin/webmin-1.100.tar.bz2.incomplete: ASCII English text
11:39 < daja77> ERROR: File type does not match filename (bzip2 compressed data)!
11:39 < daja77> >_<
11:40 < blindcoder> okay, the lpp ypackage should work now. Damn (l)User errors >_<
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11:41 < daja77> damn webmin luser package
11:41 < blindcoder> rxr: did you read my question yesterday?
11:42 < blindcoder> rxr: regarding pre/post.conf inclusion?
11:43 < fake> rxr: no
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11:46 < rxr> email an ct@ctmagazin.de ist raus ...
11:46 < rxr> blindcoder: here on irc ?
11:46 < rxr> we have now "846
11:46 < rxr> " packages ...
11:49 < rxr> fake: bluez-pan fails missing bluez-lib
11:49 < rxr> also it should have been there ...
11:50 < daja77> weeee suif now ruinning under rock
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11:50 < daja77> running *ggg*
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11:50 < fake> rxr: huh?
11:50 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
11:50 < fake> strange
11:51 < blindcoder> indeed
11:51 < fake> can i have .err file? and .log of bluez-libs
11:52 < rxr> I already deleted it so the package got rebuild
11:53 < rxr> the error message was in the configure complainign about eh bluetooth heder missing
11:53 < rxr> ahd that I should install bluez-lib
11:53 < rxr> the priority looks ok - and rebuild of bluez-pan worked fine ...
11:53 < daja77> bbl
11:53 < rxr> strange
11:56 < rxr> ah the error messasge seems to be wrong
11:56 < rxr> it needs bluez-sdp
11:56 < rxr> I'll adjut the P
11:56 < fake> oh
11:56 < fake> yeah
11:56 < fake> right...
11:56 < fake> >_<
11:57 < blindcoder> rxr: yes, I just want to know if I should bug the mailinglist with the {pre,post}.conf thing again or if I should wait until 2.1 is started
11:57 < rxr> blindcoder: no - can be in 2.0
11:57 < rxr> in generally we plan to integrate new features in a shorted time - and not to let the stable / dev tree to dift too much
11:58 < rxr> just adding one feature and stabelize is easier than adding and rewriting 30 features and stabelize ...
11:58 < blindcoder> rxr: okay, I'll create a patch as soon as this Create-ISO is done
11:59 < rxr> 1661 builds total, 576 completed fine, 12 with errors.
11:59 < rxr> me having breakfast -cu
11:59 < blindcoder> One hour left until I can go home and mount my DVD-Writer into my system! WOOHOOO!
11:59 < blindcoder> rxr: an guadn!
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12:18 < rxr> fuck - typos in the c't mail ...
12:20 < blindcoder> hmm... okay, that's worse than a `vim rock.diff` in state 'D' :/
12:20 < rxr> mails to iX and Linux Magazin with less typos out ...
12:21 < blindcoder> ^^
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12:25 < blindcoder> what do you write them?
12:26 < dreamind> moin
12:26 < dreamind> err hi I meant ;)
12:26 < blindcoder> moin dreamind
12:28 < fake> does anybody here have experience with nsapi / mod_jk for iplanet?
12:28 < blindcoder> no
12:30 * dreamind is just re-thinking about xfs...
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12:41 < blindcoder> I had a few problems with xfs when installing a minimal target this week
12:41 < blindcoder> during installation, I get the choice to use XFS
12:42 < blindcoder> but when I choose it, the FS seems to be created, but it cannot be mounted >_<
12:43 < blindcoder> anyway, /me going home
12:43 < blindcoder> baba
12:55 < rxr> blindcoder: jups not kernel support in 2.4 IIRC ...
12:58 < rxr> wow - already a reply from linuxmagazin ded ...
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13:00 * rxr at work - cu
13:01 < dreamind> Hi huebi
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13:12 < tcr> moin all
13:12 < daja77> hi tcr
13:12 < fake> hi
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13:12 < daja77> moin kaerF
13:13 * daja77 off again
13:17 < tcr> Does anyone happen to know what pci specification version modern mainboards have?
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13:22 < fake> PCI 2.1 or some X
13:22 < fake> iirc
13:24 < tcr> Hmm. That's what my ancient mainboard has, but I'm told that the USB add-in card (I bought) doesn't work because of a voltage issue (which derives from the old pci version that board has)
13:25 < fake> o_O
13:25 < fake> the voltage shouldn't have changed throughout the PCI revisions
13:25 < fake> read: "backward compatibility"
13:26 < tcr> Yeah, I thought that myself. Maybe that guy meant bus frequency or something
13:27 < tcr> I want to buy another card now, that _does_ work with my mainboard, and so I'm atm collecting information...
13:27 < fake> hm, 33MHz ?
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13:29 < kaerF> jo re
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13:32 < tcr> fake: Uhm, just found out that the manual I have is the manual of a newer version of the motherboard :-/ So I must continue searching the right one
13:39 < tcr> fake: Yep, 33mhz
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14:22 < DeElsasser> bonjour tout le monde ;-)
14:24 < fake> hi
14:24 < daja77> bonjour DeElsasser
14:25 < DeElsasser> hi fake
14:25 < DeElsasser> hi daja77
14:25 < daja77> *aaaargl* damn mirror detection
14:26 < DeElsasser> fake: can you send me your kernel 2.6 config file, I have definitively no pseudo-tty
14:26 < DeElsasser> deelsasser@wanadoo.fr
14:28 < fake> DeElsasser: sent
14:28 < DeElsasser> fake: thx
14:29 < DeElsasser> an other think who is misterious in 2.5 and 2.6, the matrox framebuffer doesn't work like 2.4...
14:30 < fake> the framebuffer layer has been completely rewritten
14:30 < DeElsasser> but the generic framebuffer do it, the matrox not
14:35 < kaerF> *idle*
14:35 < daja77> :P
14:36 < rolla> re
14:36 < daja77> hi rolla
14:36 < fake> wee
14:36 < fake> it works
14:37 < fake> so that iplanet crap can be kicked to be of some use finally
14:37 < daja77> applause
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15:05 < mistik1> re guys
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15:31 < jsaw> re
15:32 < daja77> re jsaw
15:32 < jsaw> hi daja77
15:32 < jsaw> was geht?
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15:34 * daja77 now off to work 
15:34 < daja77> cu l8r
15:35 < jsaw> cu
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15:49 < rolla> :)
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16:16 < jsaw> anybody using gcc 3.3.x here?
16:20 < rolla> nope
16:31 < knoti> hiho
16:31 < knoti> daja could you do me a favour ?
16:33 < mnemoc> re
16:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: i use gcc33 exclusively
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16:36 < knoti> fake: Can you do me a favour ?
16:39 < Mike1> good day all.
16:42 < jsaw> mnemoc: can compile the following prog: int main() { unused_label: __attribute__((unused)) return 0; } with g++
16:42 < jsaw> please?
16:42 < mnemoc> ok
16:42 < mnemoc> w8
16:43 < jsaw> (should work with gcc btw)
16:47 < fake> knoti: what?
16:49 < knoti> fake: Could you download gopenhbci per cvs tar it up and send me the ball by mail ?
16:50 < knoti> fake: would be -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.gopenhbci.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gopenhbci co gopenhbci
16:50 < knoti> fake: login no password
16:50 < knoti> fake: my cvs seems broken
16:51 < jsaw> cu l8r
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16:51 < fake> cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
16:52 < Mike1> very common problem with sourceforge now days..
16:55 < knoti> fake: That's what I got hmm .
16:55 < knoti> fake: Maybe they don't even have files in their repository lol
16:55 < knoti> fake: Thank you.
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17:05 < daja77> re
17:06 < Mike1> daja77.
17:06 < daja77> hey Mike1
17:07 < daja77> dia crashes on rtrock ...
17:08 < daja77> weee I can now svn up from the box I am working on here
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17:10 < jsaw> re
17:10 < blindcoder> di
17:10 < Mike1> ni hao.
17:10 < daja77> you are the knight that always say ni *gg*
17:11 < jsaw> grueetzi midanand
17:11 < daja77> omg
17:11 < jsaw> hehe
17:11 < Mike1> daja77: i was just saying hi
17:11 * blindcoder now testing his new toy ^^
17:12 < blindcoder> Mike1: konban wa!
17:12 < Mike1> daja77: at least blindy did understood me
17:12 < Mike1> blindcoder: ni meil hao?
17:12 < jsaw> Mike1: so was I.
17:12 < blindcoder> sure did ^^
17:12 < Mike1> jsaw: great :)
17:12 < blindcoder> Mike1: sorry, my understanding of chinese is VERY limited
17:12 < daja77> jsaw: hope you don't mind if I don't build your repo in rtrock
17:12 < Mike1> blindcoder: i said how are you
17:13 < jsaw> Mike1: (but "ni hao" was all I can say in chineese)
17:13 < blindcoder> Mike1: great ^^ qust did some hardware thing with high hack-value and am now testing my DVD-Writer ^^
17:13 < Mike1> jsaw: hehe
17:13 < jsaw> daja77: why should you? It's all marked O, so...
17:13 < daja77> O_o
17:13 < Mike1> blindcoder: dvd writter.. lucky bastard
17:13 < Mike1> daja77: jsaw packages are disabled by default
17:14 < daja77> ic
17:14 < daja77> well kasc repo then ...
17:14 < blindcoder> Mike1: harr harr
17:14 < daja77> blindcoder: so you can make clones of the knoppix dvd
17:15 < blindcoder> daja77: hrm, I hoped to make some Anime-DVDs and ROCK-DVDs ^^
17:15 < daja77> rock dvds cool
17:16 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Create-ISO -size 4000 dvd bootdisk minimal default
17:16 < blindcoder> talking about minimal target...
17:16 < daja77> hehe
17:16 < blindcoder> Mike1: you're in charge of it, aren't you?
17:16 * Mike1 hides
17:16 < Mike1> maybe
17:16 < Mike1> :)
17:16 < blindcoder> Mike1: I take that for a yes ^^
17:17 < Mike1> blindcoder: anything i can do for you ?
17:17 < blindcoder> Mike1: don't you think it's disturbing to build a minimal target and the get asked if you want to make a minimal install for servers or a full install for workstations?
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17:18 < Aard> hi
17:18 < daja77> hi Aard
17:19 < blindcoder> hi Aard
17:19 < Mike1> blindcoder: yes i do
17:19 < Mike1> i hate that, i need to make fix for this
17:20 < blindcoder> Mike1: as far as I saw it that is currentrly hardcoded into bootdisk...
17:20 < Mike1> hi Aard
17:20 < Mike1> blindcoder: yes
17:21 < Mike1> blindcoder: i will have to discuss this with rxr, as this "feature" applies only for generic and desktop
17:21 < Mike1> i asume he made it thinking about desktop... only..
17:24 < blindcoder> Mike1: we all make mistakes.
17:24 < Mike1> blindcoder: sure
17:24 < Mike1> blindcoder: but the good thing is that this kind of mistakes can be fixed
17:24 < Mike1> :)
17:24 * daja77 currently doin some ...
17:26 < Mike1> blindcoder: i don't b;ame him, by the time this was implemented only desktop and generic existed
17:26 < Mike1> s/b;ame/blame
17:26 < Mike1> ping esden
17:26 < blindcoder> Mike1: yes. I just noticed, because for my lpp-tests I use the minimal target
17:27 < Mike1> blindcoder: ver cool, i feel honored
17:27 < Mike1> minimal is still too fat, i will work on making it smaller during the week
17:32 < blindcoder> hehe, good ^^
17:33 < Mike1> blindcoder: when ur lpp work be available
17:33 < Mike1> i wanna test it over :)
17:33 < blindcoder> as soon as I install the current ISO
17:33 < blindcoder> I think I've fixed the final problem
17:33 < blindcoder> and you will need the {pre,post}.conf feature which rene said he'll include in 2.0 ^^
17:33 < Mike1> blindcoder: very good, would you share ur current iso with me?
17:33 < blindcoder> Mike1: sure, just a moment
17:34 < Mike1> blindcoder: :)
17:34 < Mike1> blindcoder: just put it on my home dir at ur host
17:34 < Mike1> i can rsync it over to me..
17:34 < blindcoder> Mike1: jupp
17:34 < blindcoder> Mike1: but it's still some 200 MB
17:34 < Mike1> i can wait till you go to bed..
17:34 < Mike1> :)
17:35 < Mike1> so you keep ur badnwidth
17:35 < Mike1> bandwidth
17:35 < blindcoder> thanks ^^
17:35 < blindcoder> I think that'll be un 4-5 hours
17:35 < Mike1> just let me know when is up, and when i can start syncing it
17:36 < Mike1> ok no problem
17:37 < blindcoder> *LOL*
17:37 < blindcoder> what a define :D
17:37 < blindcoder> #define AUINFO
17:38 < blindcoder> makes on the compiler:
17:38 < blindcoder> gcc -DAUINFO
17:38 < daja77> LOL
17:38 < blindcoder> Mike1: 263 MB, in your ${HOME}
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17:40 < Mike1> blindcoder: ok, i will wait till you let me start syncing.
17:42 < blindcoder> Mike1: ok.
18:01 < daja77> *yawn*
18:08 < mnemoc> yawn?
18:10 < daja77> yepp boring downloads ...
18:10 < daja77> hi mnemoc btw :)
18:12 < mnemoc> hi bored daja77
18:12 < rolla> yawn
18:12 < mnemoc> rolla???
18:12 < daja77> :)
18:13 < daja77> rolla yawns at rh I guess
18:13 < mnemoc> rolla: how can you be that bored this early?
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18:23 < rolla> mnemoc: it is not early
18:27 < mnemoc> mm 10am there?
18:28 < Mike1> lazy asses, stop yawning, start coding.
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18:30 < mnemoc> code code code!!
18:31 < rolla> nope
18:31 < rolla> 11:36
18:35 < daja77> Mike1: :P
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18:45 < blindcoder> okay, this DVD-R(W?) drive is deinately strange
18:47 < blindcoder> DVD-RAM: works
18:47 < blindcoder> DVD-R: works
18:47 < blindcoder> DVD-RW: doesn't work (with the DVD-RW that came packaged with the drive)
18:54 < Freak> hehe
18:54 < daja77> hey Freak still here *ggg*
18:54 * daja77 hides
18:54 < Freak> I will definitely hurt ixs.
18:55 * netrunner back, heating the oven for pizza and the two athlons for rock building :)
18:55 < Freak> hehehe
18:55 < daja77> hmm got group sex invitation spam ...
18:55 < Freak> hehe
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19:00 < netrunner> daja77: where? I'll join!
19:00 < daja77> should I forward it to you
19:00 < A-Tui> hi
19:01 < daja77> hi A-Tui
19:01 < A-Tui> hola daja77
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19:03 < daja77> lots of download problems today ...
19:04 < rolla> suck
19:04 < rolla> !> No free loopback device found!
19:04 < netrunner> argl, I _hate_ people sending pictures embedded in .doc
19:04 < netrunner> (even if they always supply beer)
19:04 < rolla> ha ha
19:05 < christ|an> Well - let me say to everyone "hi". Now I have got a question. I wanna use the "locate" command. But at first i have to run the "updatedb" command as root. Well - i have typed "su" - then i entered my root passwd. Then i typed "updatedb" an i got the following output: bash-2.05b# updatedb
19:05 < christ|an> /usr/bin/updatedb: line 125: /usr/bin/find: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
19:05 < christ|an> bash-2.05b#  ----------------------------> How can i solve this problem?
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19:07 < blindcoder> WOOOHOOOOOO!
19:07 < christ|an> hi blindcoder
19:07 < blindcoder> PH34R M4 1337 N3KK1D $K1LLZ!
19:08 < blindcoder> hi christ|an
19:08 < christ|an> lol blindcoder
19:08 * blindcoder just successfully created a ROCK ISO with bootdisk, generic and minimal target (size: 1.7 GB)
19:08 < blindcoder> wrote it to a DVD-R
19:08 < blindcoder> and booted it ^^
19:09 < blindcoder> anyone wants some ROCK-DVDs ?
19:10 < SMP> *sigh*
19:11 * SMP wishes, package authors cared to take a look at the flist before they're 'done'
19:11 < SMP> now I have /usr/include/CVS/
19:13 < blindcoder> SMP: which package?
19:13 < SMP> openh323
19:13 < blindcoder> hrm
19:14 < SMP> from pwlib, cp -rf include/* /usr/include/
19:15 < SMP> I seriously think we need to get away from automatic flists and have packages specifiy exactly which files to expect (like rpm) and shoot the author if another file pops up
19:16 < SMP> I have found way too many weird files in the last weeks
19:16 < blindcoder> shooting the auther sounds like fun ^^ :)
19:16 < blindcoder> even though I run the risk of suicide ^^
19:18 < SMP> hmm, there is even code in openh323.conf to avoid this
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19:29 < dennis> hi
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19:30 < Mike1> hi SMP
19:32 < blindcoder> Mike1: wb
19:33 < Mike1> thanks.
19:33 < Mike1> :)
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19:37 < fake> re
19:37 < daja77> wb fake
19:37 < Mike1> fake.
19:37 < fake> Mike1: hi...
19:38 < fake> Mike1: i'll be quiet today
19:38 < Mike1> ...
19:38 < fake> i promise
19:38 < Mike1> fake: lol
19:38 < Mike1> fake: ah well it was nice seen you talking yesterday
19:38 < Mike1> ur quite most of the times
19:39 < fake> Mike1: don't fool the weak ;)
19:39 < Mike1> fake: do you think i would fake you ?
19:39 < Mike1> :)
19:41 < fake> that's a philosophical question. if you fake a fake, is it a fake?
19:42 < Mike1> depends on the kind of fake use to fake the fake, as well as the fake procedure, its really faking process you know what i mean
19:44 < fake> yeah, all shady and evil powers and stuff. i know. the dark side...
19:44 < Mike1> so do i..
19:44 < Mike1> :)
19:44 < fake> *blink*
19:44 < Mike1> but aseriously is nice to see you talking here.
19:45 < fake> however it has nothing to do with rocklinux
19:45 < fake> which is a serious fault.
19:45 < fake> thus, i will no go, and stop talking unimportant fluff
19:46 * fake :-Q
19:48 < Mike1> fake: yes maybe you are talking to much, ... code :)
19:52 < Mike1> anyways i'm going to bed in a few minutes
19:54 < daja77> n8 Mike1
19:54 < Mike1> man i can't believe this...
19:54 < Mike1> Thu Jul 17 11:49:58 CST 2003
19:55 < blindcoder> Thu Jul 17 19:56:07 CEST 2003
19:56 < Mike1> n8 all
19:56 < blindcoder> n8 mike
19:58 < SMP> $ TZ=America/Costa_Rica date
19:58 < SMP> Thu Jul 17 11:54:34 CST 2003
19:58 < SMP> huh? ;)
19:58 < Mike1> SMP: don't even ask :)
19:59 < rolla> damn
19:59 < SMP> well, could be me, going to bed at that time ;)
20:00 < Mike1> SMP: sure, who do you think i've learned from?
20:01 < Mike1> :)
20:01 < SMP> ;-O
20:01 < Mike1> SMP: yes from you :P
20:01 < Mike1> anyways i am off
20:01 < Mike1> cu all
20:01 < SMP> n8 Mike
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20:15 < A-Tui> which is the script who exactly build each package in a non parallel build?
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20:27 < fake> A-Tui: Build-Pkg ?
20:28 < christ|an> re
20:28 < A-Tui> fake: yes, i know, but when i call Build-Target, it call pkgloop from config/$config/config
20:29 < A-Tui> and then, how is called Build-Pkg?
20:29 < A-Tui> i can't find the call
20:29 < fake> A-Tui: hm...
20:30 < A-Tui> it that function i saw the section for the PARALLEL build
20:31 < A-Tui> and after that, i supposed that it would call the Build-Pkg for normal build, but i'm so confused now :)
20:31 < fake> pkgloop_package ?
20:32 < fake> The call is constructed in line 279
20:32 < A-Tui> yes, but when and where it's made call for that function
20:32 < A-Tui> ahh ok
20:32 < A-Tui> i'm going to look
20:33 < fake> line 329
20:33 < fake> pkgloop_action.
20:34 < A-Tui> mmm thanks i will search there, and one more thing, the cross-enveironment is build with the same invocation as the other packages?
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20:35 < Scandium> hi
20:36 < fake> first it creates it's dirs, then it evals the cmd
20:36 < fake> err
20:36 < fake> no, last time i checked, it was all done sequentially in Build-CrossCC
20:36 < A-Tui> aha, ok, thanks fake :)
20:36 < fake> ah
20:36 < fake> no
20:36 < fake> that has changed
20:37 < fake> there is no Build-CrossCC anymore, as i just noticed ;)
20:37 < A-Tui> it's true
20:38 < mnemoc> Build-CrosssCC was removed when pseudo-cross compiler become stage 0
20:38 < A-Tui> then how is called?
20:38 < mnemoc> what?
20:38 < fake> A-Tui: there is no explicit build of a pseudocross anymore
20:39 < fake> it is built in the normal stage 0 progress
20:39 < fake> which makes sense ;)
20:39 * fake now off
20:39 < mnemoc> BuildPkg is called from Build-Target as cmd_buildpkg
20:39 < A-Tui> fake: ok, that's i want know
20:39 < mnemoc> brb
20:40 < A-Tui> yes mnemoc, i saw that
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20:45 < Scandium> Is there a somewhat more technical explanation of what dRock aims to be ? I can't find any information about what is really different to "plain" rock only that it's desktop oriented etc. etc. but no facts about what really differs - or am I just blind and not seeing the right link ? ;)
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21:19 < knoti> So, now the "Merkbefreiung" in the format of a bizcard can be downloaded from lart.info/~boesewolf merkbefreiung.ps is the front side, merkbefreiung1.ps is the backside.
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21:21 < knoti> It's the first version, so stay tuned :)
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21:23 < daja77> knoti: lol
21:25 < mnemoc> Scandium: still waiting for your answer?
21:26 < Scandium> mnemoc: well, if you have one: shoot ;)
21:26 < mnemoc> rock is not a distro... there is no 'plain rock' distro to install
21:27 < mnemoc> rock is a kit to mix packages and features in a custom distribution (target)
21:27 < mnemoc> drock is one of those targets, desktop oriented
21:28 < mnemoc> there are rock targets to build routers, servers, etc...
21:28 < mnemoc> and of course your own
21:28 < tcr> moin all
21:28 < mnemoc> moin tcr
21:28 < daja77> huhu tcr
21:30 < mnemoc> Scandium: what you can confuse with a 'plain rock' is the generic target, which includes almost every package available in rock
21:31 < Scandium> mnemoc: so in fact, dRock ist just a certain subset of packages with a certain configuration and not a subset which includes extra tools etc. ?
21:32 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/
21:32 < daja77> subset with extra tools, oxymoron detected
21:32 < mnemoc> :)
21:32 < Scandium> ;)
21:32 < mnemoc> i guess drock is kde based
21:33 < mnemoc> with everything you may need in your desktop
21:33 < daja77> nope you can choose and gnome is default afaik
21:33 < netrunner> a lot of games :)
21:33 < daja77> yepp
21:33 < tcr> Scandium: In past it was slightly different to main rock, but most things (if not all) got merged in the course of time
21:33 < daja77> which I threw out of rtrock today
21:33 < mnemoc> daja77: rxr and gnome by default?? isn't that a conflict? ;) -><-
21:34 < daja77> the last time I tried drock it was gnome, could have changed in the meantime
21:35 * mnemoc had never used drock :|
21:35 < daja77> think I'll stick with generic
21:36 < daja77> wow linux26 compiles
21:36 < mnemoc> :o
21:36 < daja77> I threw this out in rtrock too ...
21:37 < daja77> hope build finishes over the weekend
21:37 < mnemoc> daja77: will you 'release' rtai as package or just for THAT target?
21:38 < daja77> both
21:38 < daja77> you can add rt functionality in other targets as well
21:39 < mnemoc> good :)
21:39 < mnemoc> that's the first step to rock powered airplains ;)
21:39 < daja77> uh bad idea
21:40 * tcr gets a midlife crisis... updated BIOS as well as motherboard driver, but that stupid usb add-in card doesn't still work (well devices plugged into it, that's it). BMust be definitively because of the old mainboard (though I can't really see why it should be a "voltage issue" as he's told by some guy)
21:40 < tcr> bah, changed between first and third person flippantly
21:40 < mnemoc> update your power supply and see :)
21:41 * daja77 notes that tcr will have a short life
21:41 < tcr> mnemoc: Well I'm told that the pci version is too old and between that one and the new one is a voltage issue
21:42 < tcr> Besides, devices plugged into the card do get electricity (leds blink)
21:42 < daja77> old hw sucks, that's it, I hate it to have to dealk with such stuff
21:42 < tcr> No it does only suck if it doesn't work ;)
21:43 < mnemoc> the admin sucks, not the hw
21:43 < tcr> :P
21:44 * tcr wishes mnemoc thousand and one deseases!
21:44 * daja77 off
21:44 < tcr> cu daja77
21:44 < mnemoc> :(
21:44 < mnemoc> cu daja77
21:47 * tcr shower
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22:40 < owl> hi
22:40 < owl> is there a special order i have to write in config.in... ?
22:42 < mnemoc> what do u what to do?
22:42 < mnemoc> want
22:42 < owl> adding a target (maybe)
22:42 < mnemoc> target's config.in?
22:42 < owl> (and adding just specific packages to it... )
22:42 < owl> ah so... nah
22:43 < mnemoc> target's config.in is loaded inside a block 7
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22:44 < mnemoc> inside that you can add bool, comment, etc..
22:44 < mnemoc> to specify packages you have to manipulate config/$config/packages with sed, or awk
22:44 < owl> yes... but is the order i'm writing down the files used  ./scripts/Build-Target
22:44 < owl> +in
22:45 < mnemoc> Build-Target uses $config/packages to know what to build
22:45 < owl> ah... k. thx.
22:46 < mnemoc> you can disable seting $1="O" or removing the line avoiding other option to enable it
22:47 < owl> hm. k. thx.
22:47 < owl> i'm currently doing something like:
22:47 < owl> bash /                { p; d; };
22:47 < owl> binutils /            { p; d; };
22:47 < owl> bzip2 /               { p; d; };
22:47 < owl> (for every package i want in "my target" )... that's ok, isn't it... ?
22:49 < mnemoc> sure... thats an option ;)
22:49 < owl> (aeh... add a / before everything of this... )
22:49 < owl> okil.. :) now i'm glad ;)))
22:49 < owl> -l
22:51 < mnemoc> i prefer to disable them all and enable the ones i need :) to use pkgsel to enable 'those' little differences
22:51 < owl> ack. /me too.
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22:52 < owl> but the base and so, are still to fat for my needs... i want a light system like my LFS... but don't like to do everything "by hand"
22:53 < mnemoc> you can 'select' by category or repository to do a faster clean up first
22:54 < owl> yes. sure. i'm first removing everything and adding stuff like bash and so after that... (but full 'base' is still too fat. as mentioned above)
22:54 < mnemoc> i have 67 packages in my base
22:55 < owl> huh? which base? private one?
22:55 < owl> (so "not public" ?)
22:55 < mnemoc> my basic target
22:56 < mnemoc> the list can be sent... the target is not yet stable
22:56 < owl> i c.
22:56 < mnemoc> but builds 100%
22:56 < owl> depending on... ?
22:57 < mnemoc> i'm moving it to runit instead of sysvinit... that's way it's considered 'unstable' :)
22:57 < owl> i c. :)
22:57 < owl> because of the "sco wants money"-crap?
22:58 < owl> or for performance reasons?
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22:58 < mnemoc> i like daemontools, and runit does /services and init for GPL :)
22:58 < owl> k.
22:59 < mnemoc> do you want the .awk file?
22:59 < mnemoc> with sysvinit of course :)
23:00 < owl> yes... sure.
23:00 < mnemoc> dcc or email?
23:00 < owl> dcc please
23:02 < mnemoc> recive :)
23:02 < owl> hrm. no file offered? O_o
23:02 < mnemoc> :o
23:02 < mnemoc> [17:02:16] [freenode]  DCC SEND request sent to owl: pkgsel.mnemosyne.awk
23:02 < mnemoc> i'll bz2 it
23:02 < owl> [23:02] DCC no file offered by mnemoc
23:03 < owl> oki. thx.
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23:03 < owl> *grml*
23:04 < mnemoc> [17:04:57]   owl SEND: 0k of 1k (0%) - 0.00kB/s - pkgsel.mnemosyne.awk.bz2
23:04 < mnemoc> mmmmm
23:05 < owl> your client is lying...
23:05 < owl> [23:05] DCC can't connect to 192.168.0.43 port 3289
23:05 < mnemoc> bad irssi bad
23:05 < owl> *g* yes.
23:05 < mnemoc> bad nat bad
23:05 < owl> hm. don't mind...
23:10 < owl> so... now my laptop has two builds started... i can go to bed and see the fatal errors (and burning notebook) tomorrow... :p
23:11 < owl> gn8.
23:12 < mnemoc> n8 :) good luck
23:12 < owl> thx. n8
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23:20 < christ|an> I have found a mistake on the Rock Website - in the News - the link to the handbook is broken
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23:27 < mnemoc> christ|an: did you got the handbook or you need the proper url?
23:27 < christ|an> i have already read it :)
23:27 < mnemoc> :)
23:29 < christ|an> u2?
23:29 < mnemoc> i just overread it :|
23:29 < christ|an> i'v already worte a critical comment about the handbook and sent it to the author :)
23:29 < christ|an> tzzzz :)
23:30 < christ|an> boob *gh
23:30 < mnemoc> mail rene ;) ... the *author* ;)
23:31 < christ|an> yeah i habe done it
23:31 < mnemoc> the author :) sound weird
23:31 < christ|an> well i dont knew, that you know the author
23:32 < mnemoc> he is 'rxr' here
23:32 < christ|an> i know :)
23:33 < christ|an> i had already a little chat with him
23:37 < SMP> 10 hours idletime
23:37 < christ|an> lol
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23:50 < mnemoc> SMP do you know a trick to left a processes abandoned (in fg); drop de ssh; the reconect and get that fg process back? (e.g. irssi)
23:53 < SMP> I don't understand you completely, but from what I understand, no, it's not possible to get in control of a process that has lost its terminal
23:53 < mnemoc> (my written expression and english are pathetic :()
23:53 < SMP> always use screen ;)
23:54 < mnemoc> screen is the trick?
23:54 < mnemoc> mmm... google
23:54 < SMP> man screen
23:55 < mnemoc> i dont' have it instaled here
23:55 < SMP> bad luck
23:55 < mnemoc> ./scripts/build-Pkg screen
23:55 < mnemoc> :)
23:56 < SMP> use Emerge-Pkg ;)
23:56 < mnemoc> i read about that... what's for?
23:58 < mnemoc> but Emerge-Pkg will build the whole s.th...
23:59 < SMP> screen works in pairs  - one process manages virtual terminals on which you start a shell or whatever program and the second screen process lets you acess those many vts from your current vt
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