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00:00 < SMP> you can stop and restart the second one, re-attaching to a backgrounded screen session with all its vts and programs still running
00:00 < SMP> actually it does a whole lot more, but that's the major feature :)
00:02 < mnemoc> that's the feature i want :)
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00:12 < schasi> gute nacht leuz, ich geh schlafen
00:13 < knoti> gn8
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00:22 < mnemoc> man screen is long as hell :(
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00:26 < SMP> mnemoc: you need to know these commands: ^A-c to create a new window, ^A-w to list windows, ^A-0..9 to switch to window number 0..9, ^A-n or ^A-Space to switch to next window, ^A-p or ^A-Backspace to switch to previous window, ^A-d to detach the session, screen -r to resume and screen -rD to force resume
00:27 < SMP> and ^A-a to toggle between this and the last window
00:27 < SMP> ehm, ^A-^A that is.
00:27 < SMP> ^A-a sends ^A
00:28 < mnemoc> why should i need to force a resume? -r vs -rD
00:29 < SMP> when the session is already attached to, for example in a hung ssh session or a forgotten login
00:30 < mnemoc> uff.... i'll do it... i can... i'll got it :|
00:34 < mnemoc> i need practice
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00:35 < mnemoc> thanks SMP :)
00:37 < SMP> all hail to the mighty screen
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00:47 < mnemoc> this 'screen' is adictive...
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02:03 < daja77> re
02:07 < daja77> n8 you all
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02:33 < rammi> hi to all.
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03:20 < mistik1> ;)
03:22 < mistik1> screen -D -R -A
03:23 < mistik1> attach i say even if you have to kill and slaughter ;)
03:24 < mnemoc> hahaha
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03:24 < mistik1> I love using that to show newbs the value of screen
03:24 < mnemoc>  Force all capabilities into each window's termcap. <--- what does it means?
03:25 < mnemoc> what screen understand by capability?
03:25 < mistik1> have them setup and irc term using screen and use the menu to trigger it and watch the previous window disapear
03:26 < mistik1> all supported termcap functions I suppose
03:27 < mistik1> screen is indeed badass
03:29 < mnemoc> screen is overwelming me... or how ever it writes
03:29 < mistik1> oh btw, I did get the lpp patch to work with 2.4.21 and therefore LTSP again, so you too can have your thin-client boot up with a nifty logo ;-)
03:29 < mistik1> what do you mean mnemoc ?
03:31 < SMP> overwhelming
03:31 < mnemoc> it surpassed my learning abilities
03:31 < mnemoc> thanks SMP ;)
03:31 < SMP> mnemoc: hehe
03:32 < SMP> mnemoc: the commands I gave you are about 90% of what I know about screen and about 5% of what screen can do. but don't tell anyone ;->
03:32 < mnemoc> i was 'near'
03:33 < mistik1> haha
03:33 < mistik1> SMP: If I start a screen within another screen how can I tell the parent screen to die when the child does?
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03:35 < SMP> mistik1: I don't understand the situation
03:37 < mistik1> In my script I start screen like this
03:38 < mistik1> screen -d -m -S NAMEHERE
03:38 < mistik1> then I start another screen like this
03:39 < mistik1> screen -r -X screen -t "OS console" 'huge command string'
03:40 < mistik1> when I shutdown the process that's running in that last screen the screen *named* NAMEHERE is still around
03:41 < mistik1> I was wondering if there was a trick to make that one die too, or remove the need of using screen in that manner to accomplish what I need
03:43 < mistik1> hmm
03:43 < mistik1> sorry, did not mean to cause confusion
03:44 < mnemoc> SMP will segfault ;)
03:44 < SMP> $ screen -dmS FOO
03:44 < SMP> $ screen -r -X screen -t 'foobar' 'touch /tmp/foobar'
03:44 < SMP> $ LANG=C ls /tmp/foobar
03:44 < SMP> ls: /tmp/foobar: No such file or directory
03:44 < SMP> I don't see how this even works
03:45 < SMP> ah, it works when not quoting the command
03:48 < SMP> why don't you collapse those to just
03:48 < SMP> screen -dmS NAMEHERE huge command string
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04:37 < mistik1> SMP: I'll look into that
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05:51 [ Aard      ] [ daja77] [ huebi  ] [ n00kie_  ] [ rxr  ] [ tijakhul] 
05:51 [ blindcoder] [ esden ] [ kasc   ] [ netrunner] [ SMP  ] 
05:51 [ cchamilt  ] [ fake  ] [ mistik1] [ owl      ] [ snyke] 
05:51 [ cytrinox  ] [ Freak ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla    ] [ tfing] 
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05:51 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002
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07:05 < blindcoder> moin
07:08 < n00kie_> moin blindy :)
07:09 < mnemoc> moin both
07:11 < n00kie_> Hey mnemoc
07:11 < n00kie_> How are you? :)
07:11 < blindcoder> hi n00kie_, mnemoc
07:12 < mnemoc> frozen :)
07:12 < mnemoc> and ytou
07:14 < n00kie_> Well
07:14 < n00kie_> Hot :)
07:14 < n00kie_> Tropical Clima here
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07:17 < n00kie_> brb
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07:26 < knoti> moin
07:46 * blindcoder back
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08:41 < daja77> moin
08:41 < blindcoder> moin daja
08:42 * blindcoder needs a decision-maker for CCCamp >_<
08:42 < daja77> hi blindcoder
08:42 * daja77 won't be there
08:42 * blindcoder neither. I still need one >_<
08:43 * daja77 will go to dev meeting ...
08:43 < blindcoder> I don't have time for that one, either >_<
08:44 < daja77> hey that sucks
08:46 < blindcoder> when is it scheduled?
08:48 < daja77> august
08:49 < blindcoder> yes, when in august?
08:49 < daja77> hmm have to dig, can tell you later
08:49 < daja77> visitors are coming ...
08:50 < blindcoder> okay, don't torture them too much ^^
08:50 < daja77> not?
08:55 < blindcoder> well, they might not be able to leave on their own then...
08:55 < daja77> ic
09:00 < rxr> re
09:00 < rxr> 1661 builds total, 1069 completed fine, 29 with errors.
09:00 < rxr> reference build ...
09:01 < blindcoder> hi rxr
09:01 < daja77> hi rxr
09:02 < rxr> hi daja77 blindcoder
09:15 < owl> hi
09:15 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:15 < owl> hi blindy
09:20 < owl> fsck... my head... *crying*
09:22 < blindcoder> headache?
09:24 < owl> yes...
09:25 < owl> but not "normal" one... feels like head will expolöede soooon
09:26 < owl> (ignore my typos poülöese... not able to type the next days guess)
09:27 < fake> owl: i'd know something that'd help
09:27 < owl> fake: hm? what?
09:28 < blindcoder> hi fake
09:33 < rxr> owl: again too much alcohol ?
09:34 < owl> rxr: nope
09:34 < owl> hi btw, rxr
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09:45 < owl> hi [anders]
09:45 < [anders]> lo owl
09:45 < [anders]> owl: wie gehts?
09:46 < owl> [anders]: i'm feeling horrible. thx. and you?
09:47 < [anders]> owl: so so . had a bit or retail therapy yesterday
09:47 < blindcoder> hi [anders]
09:47 < [anders]> lo blindcoder
09:47 < [anders]> blindcoder: how's you? :)
09:47 < blindcoder> [anders]: fine, thanks. Almost killed my harddisk yesterday, but hacked i back together ^^
09:47 < [anders]> hehehe
09:48 < owl> [anders]: retail therapy?
09:48 < [anders]> owl: you been getting anywhere with your computer work?
09:48 < [anders]> owl: I went shopping..
09:48 < owl> [anders]: hmm. how do you mean?
09:48 < owl> (sorry. brain not able to work)
09:49 < [anders]> owl: well, it is an english phrase meaning you go shopping when you feel down to make you feel better..
09:49 < blindcoder> owl: Frust-kaufen
09:50 < owl> [anders]: yes... this was the clear part... :p but i meant "you getting..."
09:50 < [anders]> aaah. /me being slow today.. (not really anything new, but hey..)
09:50 < [anders]> owl: were you not working on something in your spare time?
09:51 < owl> owl: ah so... hm. yes. _was_
09:52 < [anders]> owl: so not any more then...
09:52 < owl> ack.
09:56 < owl> (wah. project managers are soooooooooooo dumb)
09:56 < owl> (at least here)
09:58 < [anders]> well, we have just shipped the stuff I've been part of working on for the last 18-20 months.
09:58 < [anders]> lemme grab the url..
10:00 < [anders]> http://www.storage.ibm.com/  <- It is right there.. :)
10:00 < blindcoder> GARGL! It wants to set a cookie *ARGH* :)
10:01 < [anders]> http://www.storage.ibm.com/software/virtualization/svc/index.html  <- This shows a little more about the actual SVC product
10:02 < blindcoder> sweet
10:02 < [anders]> blindcoder: for a base price of $60,000 I would fscking hope so. :)
10:03 < blindcoder> hehe
10:03 < [anders]> I believe those $60,000 will get you two nodes, the software without the advanced functions and capability to virtualise some low number of tera bytes.
10:04 < [anders]> we can virtualise up in the petabyte range without problems, and it is the advanced functions that people will want to use. :)
10:04 < [anders]> things like remote copy and flash copy
10:06 < blindcoder> hrm... can I have one for free (plus the SAN, of course ^^) *j/k*
10:07 < [anders]> hehehe.. somehow I think that would be a little hard to arrange..
10:08 < [anders]> there is a 'SAN in a box', SIS I think they call it, you get FAStT backend storage, SVC nodes, FC switches etc, all in a rack, ready to plug in on your SAN and start dishing out storage.
10:08 < blindcoder> ah, comeon. Bring some to CCCamp and I tke my big Seat Alhambra with me. :)
10:09 < [anders]> *grin*
10:09 < blindcoder> nice
10:09 < [anders]> http://www.storage.ibm.com/software/virtualization/sis/index.html  <- about the SIS
10:10 < [anders]> It says we can virtualise over 100TB to 42 hosts..
10:10 < [anders]> must be true, the website says so. ;-)
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10:11 < blindcoder>  hehe
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10:55 < fake> Finishing build.
10:55 < fake> wee... the challenge is ready
10:56 < owl> congratulations
10:56 < fake> compiling a minimal target, with stage 9, took it one week +1 day
10:56 < blindcoder> sweet
10:57 < fake> about 7 packages need fixing
10:57 < fake> but nothing important
10:57 < blindcoder> I will take the bingo schulungsraum for a few clunster builds next wdnesday through friday
10:57 < blindcoder> please keep the typos ^^
10:57 < fake> openssh didn't build, wich annoys me the most
10:58 < fake> Finishing build.
10:58 * blindcoder --> lunch
10:58 < fake> checking OpenSSL header version... not found
10:58 < fake> configure: error: OpenSSL version header not found.
10:58 < fake> hm, should be trivial
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11:21 * fake is hungry
11:22 * owl gives fake some "corny-riegel"
11:22 < fake> err, no, thanks
11:23 < owl> why? too "gesund"? ;)
11:23 < fake> no, too much sugar and fat
11:24 < owl> O_o let me guess... you're thinking that you're too fat and want to do a diet?
11:25 < fake> i think sugar is a drug and want to avoid it. haha.
11:25 < owl> yes. sure. :p
11:28 * owl np: l ame immortelle - tiefster winter
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11:34 * blindcoder back
11:36 < owl> aaaaaaaargh! those M$-guys are just stupid! *headshake*
11:37 < fake> aw, the bluez-utils sysconfdir fix patch got integrated by the author
11:37 < blindcoder> fake: sweet
11:54 < blindcoder> boooring
11:54 < owl> blindcoder: hm?
11:55 < blindcoder> I'm waiting for my svn to finish
11:55 < blindcoder> problem is that it segfaultins like mad
11:56 < owl> hmm. k.
11:56 < owl> *yawn*
11:56 < fake> while /bin/true ; do svn up ; done
11:56 < fake> or
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11:56 < fake> nooo
11:57 < fake> while : ; do svn up ; done
11:57 < fake> mich better.
11:57 < fake> much, i mean
11:58 < blindcoder> neither
11:59 < blindcoder> while : ; do svn cleanup ; svn up ; done
11:59 < blindcoder> in theory
11:59 < blindcoder> but that doesn't work either, because svn cleanup doesn't cleanup because of an error (manual cleanup needed)
11:59 < fake> while : ; do svn cleanup || true ; svn up || true ; done
11:59 < fake> ;-=
11:59 < blindcoder> no
12:00 < fake> yeah then write a function for that
12:00 < blindcoder> because svn cleanup nneeds to do its work, or svn up doesn't even start. || true doesn't help here
12:00 < fake> i know.
12:00 < fake> i was just joking, with regards to the rock scripts
12:00 < fake> "to not tap in a trap"
12:00 < blindcoder> I don't feel like parsing svn cleanups stderr and letting a script decide what has to be done
12:01 < blindcoder> tap in a trap? huh?
12:01 * blindcoder feels stupid today >_<
12:01 < fake> rock sets up traps...
12:01 * blindcoder stumbles into a trap
12:02 < fake> then your package build aborts ... ;)
12:05 < blindcoder> hrmpf grmpf grunt
12:23 < fake> hm...
12:23 < fake> openssh's configure just doesn't want to find openssl...
12:23 < owl> <-- getting something eatable. bbl
12:24 * fake just had a complete meal in 25 seconds
12:24 < blindcoder> ?
12:24 < blindcoder> that's fast
12:27 < fake> joop
12:30 < [anders]> easy...
12:30 < [anders]> four fish fingers in the toaster, hot water from the tap to make smash -> meal in 25 seconds.
12:31 < fake> *lol*
12:31 < [anders]> students are usually resource-full
12:31 < [anders]> ;-)
12:32 < blindcoder> students are also lazy as can be
12:33 * blindcoder ph34rs the rocklinux.org website >_<
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12:57 < fake> hi Ge0rG
12:57 < Ge0rG> guten morgen
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13:03 < owl> rehi
13:03 < blindcoder> owl: wb
13:03 < owl> thx
13:04 < esden> good morning everyone ;-)
13:04 < owl> hi esden :)
13:04 < owl> *pointing at the watch* esden -it's afternoon!
13:04 < esden> o_O
13:04 < esden> no ... it is morning ... I got up half an hour ago
13:05 * owl kicks esden 
13:05 < blindcoder> esden: HI *HUGGEDYHUG*
13:05 < Ge0rG> good morning esden
13:05 < esden> blindcoder: HI *HUGGEDYHUG* 
13:05 < esden> lol
13:05 < owl> wtf...?
13:05 < blindcoder> esden: do you have some spare time next week Tuesday/Wednes - Sunday?
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13:07 < blindcoder> I scared him away ^^
13:07 * -> esden shivvers and hides befor blindcoder and asks very vaguely "why?"
13:08 < blindcoder> esden: I have booked bingo SR-1 for wednesday to Sunday and as soon as rene announces -rc1 I need your help setting up a ROCK build-cluster thee
13:08 < blindcoder> s/need/want/
13:08 < fake> ...
13:08 < blindcoder> ^^
13:08 < blindcoder> fake: want to come, too?
13:09 < esden> I am avalable from friday when bolek leaves
13:09 < fake> blindcoder: i'll see if i have time
13:09 < esden> but I will see if I can be avalable also earlier
13:09 < blindcoder> okay, I'll try setting most of it up on Wednesday already...
13:11 < blindcoder> esden: erdi already gave me OK in case there are no Workshops or similiar, but there's nothing in the calendar, so it should be fine
13:13 < daja77> re
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13:14 < owl> hi daja77
13:15 < esden> blindcoder: have you called me today at 9 o'clock?
13:15 < esden> or someone else that is here?
13:16 < blindcoder> esden: yes, me
13:17 < esden> blindcoder: ahh ok ... ... :-(
13:17 < blindcoder> esden: don't be so sad about it *kick*
13:19 * daja77 called esden ...
13:19 < esden> I am sad that it was you and not silvi ;-)
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13:19 < esden> I hope you can understand that ;-)
13:19 < daja77> nope ...
13:19 < daja77> WTF 643 builds total, 321 completed fine, 131 with errors.
13:20 < owl> *cough*
13:21 < owl> might you should check if there are "no space left on device" errors or so...
13:21 < owl> esden: silvi???
13:22 < esden> owl: don't be so curious ;-)
13:22 < owl> esden: sure i am :p
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13:23 < jsaw> re
13:23 < owl> hi jsaw
13:23 < jsaw> hi owl
13:23 < daja77> hmm 10G left
13:24 < daja77> maybe I kicked out an imprtant package
13:24 < owl> hmmm.
13:24 < owl> cmp <<
13:24 < daja77> O_o
13:24 < jsaw> hi daja77
13:24 < fake> esden: the silvi i know, too?
13:24 < daja77> hi jsaw
13:24 < esden> fake: nope
13:24 < esden> an other one
13:24 < owl> hm? i got a lot of error-messages because of cmp, daja77
13:25 < fake> esden: http://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/CTs/fasching-2001/film1/28.jpg
13:25 < daja77> ah gtk2 did not biuld
13:25 < fake> *g*
13:25 < esden> but I met the silvi you know fake some days ago ... she looks really good and is very nice ;-)
13:25 < esden> fake: hehe
13:25 * daja77 was out with another girl yesterday ...
13:26 < esden> she was hiding
13:26 < esden> daja77: I was out with two girls yesterday ;-)
13:26 < daja77> poser!
13:26 < daja77> in fact I was surrounded by lots of girls
13:26 < esden> daja77: ohh woohoo ;-)
13:27 < daja77> you have to go to party's of girls studies
13:27 < esden> daja77: medicine?
13:28 < daja77> european studies ...
13:28 < owl> bwl
13:28 < esden> hehe owl full ack
13:28 < esden> now I knaw why bolek is studying that *rofl*
13:28 < daja77> hehe, I met her in a bwl lecture, but it is only a minor thing to her as to me
13:28 < cytrinox> hi
13:28 < jsaw> or to rhomaphy party... (Rho = Romanistic (90% females), MaPhy = Math,Physics (90% males))
13:29 < daja77> lolek & bolek *rofl*
13:29 < jsaw> hehe
13:29 < mistik1> so this is the time of day you guys work eh?
13:30 < owl> (btw, guys - someone willed to write me a "how to understand men" ...?)
13:30 < mistik1> =P
13:30 < esden> daja77: yes just like that
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13:30 < daja77> mistik1: work, heh it is friday
13:30 < jsaw> owl: ?
13:30 < owl> jsaw: ?
13:30 < mistik1> heh
13:31 < jsaw> owl: what's the problem. men <-> women do not understand each other. Always been that way. So why bother?
13:31 < fake> mistik1: it's 13:30 in germany
13:31 < owl> jsaw: just because
13:33 < daja77> yepp indeed we misinterpreted each others mails, it was fun to find that out ;-)
13:34 < daja77> > checking stropts.h usability... yes
13:34 < daja77> !> checking stropts.h presence... yes
13:34 < daja77> !> checking for stropts.h... yes
13:34 < daja77> !> checking for X... no
13:34 < daja77> !> checking for X11/extensions/XShm.h... no
13:34 < daja77> waaahaaa
13:35 < daja77> this build hurts my pride, I stopped that
13:38 < daja77> which was that x version which didn't build?
13:42 < daja77> hehe I somehow got the feeling I learn the most interesting things in borken rock builds
13:44 < jsaw> cu l8r
13:47 < daja77> cu jsaw
13:52 < mistik1> fake: Its 07:51 here US East Coast
13:55 < daja77> mistik1: if you get some coffee we can have breakfast now ;-)
13:57 < daja77> *aargl* mirror and non mirror sucking since yesterday
14:00 < daja77> hell I knew it, the script always chooses the slowest mirror
14:09 < daja77> does anyone has the cc3/protector-3.2.2-9.tar.gz package?
14:09 < daja77> the mirrors don't have it, and original url seems to be down/wrong
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14:27 < DeElsasser> hi all
14:27 < owl> hi DeElsasser
14:27 < daja77> hi DeElsasser
14:28 < daja77> hmm interesting
14:28 < DeElsasser> 5-libart_lgpl23.err
14:28 < DeElsasser> The package build aborted with the following config error:
14:28 < DeElsasser> glib22 is not installed (in prefix usr)!
14:28 < DeElsasser> what will this mean?
14:29 -!- jsaw2 [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux
14:29 < DeElsasser> and that's all what in the err file is
14:29 < fake> that means that glib22 didn't build or is not selected
14:29 < daja77> hmm maybe it is in /opt/gnome*
14:29 < fake> thus it doesn't even try to build libart_lgpl23
14:30 < jsaw> daja77: protector on the way
14:30 < daja77> hm?
14:30 < jsaw> daja77: waiting to be accepted (dcc)
14:30 < DeElsasser> hi fake
14:30 < DeElsasser> hi daja77
14:30 < DeElsasser> hi owl
14:30 < daja77> jsaw: ah thx
14:30 < DeElsasser> hi the rest of the world
14:31 < fake> hm... it's cold...
14:31 < daja77> hmm you should smoke more
14:31 < DeElsasser> fake: glibc22 is in the target list but whit an 0 befor, how take an X?
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14:33 < daja77> DeElsasser: _not_ glibc22, glib22
14:33 < DeElsasser> oups
14:33 * DeElsasser is confuse
14:34 < DeElsasser> :-]
14:34 < daja77> glib != glibc that's it
14:34 < DeElsasser> daja77: ok ok habe lange gebraucht aber jetzt seh ich es...
14:34 < daja77> ok
14:35 < fake> DeElsasser: glib != glibc
14:35 < fake> oh.
14:35 < fake> sorry.
14:35 < DeElsasser> fake: :-}
14:35 < fake> didn't mean to DUP!
14:35 < daja77> :)
14:35 < DeElsasser> DUP?
14:35 < fake> DUPlicate answers
14:36 < DeElsasser> in french: enfoncer le clou
14:36 < DeElsasser> see you later (i'm at home)
14:36 < daja77> hmm strange manual download of protectir works but not with download script
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14:43 < jsaw> daja77: ?? I got it yesterday with download script.
14:44 < daja77> strange as I said
14:44 < blindcoder> OMFG
14:44 < daja77> maybe the changed download procedure
14:44 < owl> hmmm... it works here... with script
14:44 < daja77> ha you all hate me >_<
14:44 < blindcoder> The installation procedure _really_ needs to be made a bit userfriendly. Not more, but it has to start being userfriendly...
14:45 < owl> blindcoder: ?
14:45 < daja77> blindcoder: wanna have that comic strips in it?
14:45 < jsaw> :))))
14:46 < blindcoder> owl: have you ever made a CD-Set with more than one (i.w. one) configuration?
14:46 < blindcoder> like: Create-Iso disks bootdisk minimal desktop
14:46 < daja77> ah I know what you mean, selecting by id sucks, I guess
14:46 < blindcoder> and then wanted to install the second one (bootdisk?)
14:46 < blindcoder> daja77: indeed >_<
14:46 < blindcoder> daja77: well... not really
14:46 < owl> blindcoder: nah
14:47 < blindcoder> not exactly... but having to TYPE THE ID BY HAND does
14:47 < daja77> yepp that's annoying
14:47 < blindcoder> try typing default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-generic-expert
14:47 < daja77> :)
14:47 < blindcoder> I'll change that today when I'm home....
14:47 < blindcoder> That HAS to change before CCCamp
14:48 < daja77> ack
14:51 * daja77 notes to celebrate the day when glibc isn't needed anymore for linux
14:52 < blindcoder> hmm
14:52 < blindcoder> diet Linux?
14:53 < daja77> jups will try that, have one of Aard's images on a laptop
14:53 < blindcoder> hehe :)
14:53 < blindcoder> and then support esden with the dietlibc target ^^
14:54 < daja77> yeah
14:54 < daja77> :)
14:54 < daja77> even in stage 0 glibc needs 11min, dietlibc just a few seconds ...
14:55 < blindcoder> yes, but linux24 takes an hour, too
14:55 < daja77> linux24 _is_ the kernel, glibc is just a runtime env for C
14:56 < blindcoder> well, yses... stil I was unhappy with tha fact when I had to try a package that patches the kernel before it's built
14:56 < blindcoder> (lpp via pkg_linux24_post.conf)
14:57 * daja77 patching kernels for a living ;-)
14:58 < blindcoder> okay, so I leave porting LPP to 2.6 up to you ^^
14:58 < daja77> no!!!1
14:58 < daja77> what is lpp
14:59 < blindcoder> damn
14:59 < blindcoder> Linux Progress Patch
14:59 < fake> daja77: 11 hours on the challenge for glibc ;)
14:59 < blindcoder> daja77: a patch to display  boot splash screen on framebuffer
14:59 < blindcoder> with progress bar ^^
15:00 < fake> blindcoder: have you seen that getty replacemtne that is fully graphical?
15:00 < blindcoder> fake: no...
15:00 < fake> including shutdown and "you can now turn your computer off" screen?
15:01 < blindcoder> hrm... that isn't by any chance called windows XP? :D
15:01 < fake> http://qingy.sourceforge.net/
15:02 < daja77> fake: cool so we have a constant faktor ;-)
15:03 < daja77> btw 11h in stage 0??!
15:04 < daja77> damn that I don't wanna wait for stage 5
15:04 < blindcoder> hmm... sounds interesting, but seems to have a few caveats
15:04 < daja77> yeah it only works when comparing this p4 to challenge
15:05 < blindcoder> also, I think [gkwx]dm would do the same job...
15:05 < blindcoder> s/would //
15:05 < daja77> framebuffer logins suck
15:05 < fake> daja77: why? or do you mean header-only-extraction?
15:06 < blindcoder> well, the idea isn't all that bad...
15:06 < blindcoder> but I'm curious about the actual implementation...
15:06 < daja77> fake: yepp stage 0 is header extraction afaik
15:06 < fake> daja77: oh, i don't know how long that took. iw as talking about higher stages.
15:07 < daja77> in higher stage glibc needs at least 3/4h and dietlibc 2min
15:07 < daja77> even x is sometimes faster
15:10 < daja77> btw my boss told me, that he wants to install rtrock on his office machine ...
15:14 < blindcoder> rtrock on office(!) machine?
15:14 < daja77> yepp kde is shipped ...
15:15 < daja77> you won't notice the difference to normal linux anyway, as long as you don't run rttasks
15:15 < daja77> he said he wants to test it
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15:26 < owl> someone willed to entertain me? i'm currently bored...
15:27 < fake> me too
15:27 < owl> caused by what?
15:27 < fake> almost nothing to do
15:27 < owl> *shake hand*
15:27 < fake> i think i will catch the 16:52 train today
15:27 < owl> why not 16:38?
15:27 < fake> i can't stand sitting around here...
15:28 < fake> owl: because i hate the :38 trains.. they are not very smoker friendly
15:28 < owl> ack.
15:28 < owl> hmmmm. k.
15:29 < rolla> crap
15:29 * daja77 bored too
15:29 < daja77> could do sth, but too sleepy
15:29 < daja77> party was too long yesterday
15:29 < owl> too sleepy, too lazy, to depressed, to [whatever]
15:29 < fake> rolla: what's up?
15:29 < daja77> exactly
15:30 < owl> hrmpf
15:30 < fake> i found a patch for the longrun problem, finally
15:31 < daja77> well I think I'll do that release crap in two weeks and concentrate on my exams
15:35 * blindcoder will only be able to catch the 17:52 trauin >_<
15:35 < rolla> fake: lost 2 servers
15:35 < owl> how to lose servewrs?
15:35 < fake> rolla: lost as in 'i cant find them, i know i put em here, but theyre gone!' or as in iptables -A INPUT -j drop ?
15:37 * daja77 catches my 16:00 car ;-)
15:38 < owl> pah. poser. ( daja77 )
15:39 < daja77> hehe
15:40 * blindcoder playing some more nethack
15:40 < owl> *g* just a guess, but blindcoder is bored too?
15:41 < blindcoder> yeah...
15:41 < blindcoder> two calls all day >_<
15:41 < owl> oh. so much.
15:41 < blindcoder> yes, 100% more than last week
15:41 < owl> O_o
15:41 < blindcoder> yeah
15:48 < rolla> fake: as in controller crash and data loss
15:48 < rolla> fake: and then lose a system board in the other
15:49 < blindcoder> rolla: let me guess: the two servers were mirrors of each other for availability?
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15:56 < fake> rolla: *sigh* one of those days...
16:16 < fake> hey, owlita stole my sjog descfile! ;)
16:17 < blindcoder> hm?
16:17 < blindcoder> oh, I see
16:19 * fake off
16:19 < fake> cu
16:33 * daja77 goin home, cu
16:34 < blindcoder> argl
16:34 < blindcoder> I want to go home, too >_<
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16:45 < Mike1> Moin all.
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16:53 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
16:54 < Mike1> blindy :)
16:56 < blindcoder> ah, finally I can go home
16:56 < blindcoder> it's 17:00 now >_<
16:56 < Mike1> blindcoder: huh?
16:56 < blindcoder> yes
16:56 < blindcoder> friday ins long workday
16:56 < Mike1> where are you ?
16:56 < blindcoder> at work
16:56 < Mike1> deutschland?
16:56 < blindcoder> sure
16:57 < Mike1> mm..
16:57 < Mike1> ok so see when you get back from home.
16:57 < blindcoder> yes, see you later ^^
17:03 < tcr> moin all
17:06 < Mike1> hi tcr
17:13 * tcr off to friend
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17:44 < DeElsasser> tataa
17:44 < DeElsasser> re
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17:46 < Mike1> hi DeElsasser
17:46 < DeElsasser> hi Mike1
17:47 < christ|an> Mike1: query
17:47 < DeElsasser> rxr not here?
17:47 < DeElsasser> :-(
17:47 < christ|an> Mike1: here?
17:48 < Mike1> ja.
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18:07 < DeElsasser> fake: ping?
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18:25 < rxr> re
18:26 < rxr> and away buying pasta ...
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18:44 < owl> re
18:46 * Mike1 hugs owl
18:46 < owl> please not. i'm not in hugging-mood
18:48 < Mike1> hp.
18:50 < owl> hp?
18:53 < rolla> :P
18:53 < owl> ???
18:54 < Mike1> Welcome rolla. :)
18:56 < rolla> thanks
18:56 * rolla waits for his restores
18:57 < Mike1> restores of waht?
18:57 < Mike1> what*
19:00 < rolla> data
19:00 < rolla> 2 differant machines died last night
19:00 < Mike1> holy #$%^
19:01 < Mike1> how did this happen?
19:01 < rolla> 7 year old HP servers
19:02 < Mike1> if they wanna give them away tell them i want them :P
19:02 < rolla> nope I am fixing them
19:02 < rolla> Mike1: they are K260's
19:02 < owl> O_o i can't even wrote patches
19:02 < Mike1> rolla: mmm ok
19:04 < rolla> very old and slow
19:05 < Mike1> rolla: well i kinda like playing with that kind of stuff :)
19:05 < rolla> a machine the size of a small car?
19:06 < Mike1> sure.
19:06 < Mike1> any hardware is fun
19:06 < Mike1> rolla: try running linux on them :)
19:06 < rolla> if you say so
19:07 < Mike1> rolla: you know me, i'm an alien :)
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19:13 < Mike1> re blindy
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19:21 < Aard> hm. getting drunk.
19:21 < owl> Aard: *kick*
19:22 < Mike1> Aard: enjoy.
19:22 < Aard> Mike1: thx. cool bear is great on this hot days
19:23 < Aard> argh.
19:23 < Mike1> bear!?! omg
19:23 < Mike1> i prefere beer :)
19:23 * Aard too ;)
19:24 < Mike1> :P
19:36 < daja77> re
19:37 < Mike1> hi daja77
19:37 < daja77> hi Mike1
19:40 < daja77> hi Aard
19:40 < owl> hi daja77
19:41 < daja77> hi owl
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19:45 < rxr> re
19:45 < owl> hi rxr
19:45 < rxr> hi owl
19:46 < owl> how are you?
19:46 < rxr> oh  - well - and you?
19:46 < Mike1> rxr.
19:47 < owl> hm. frequency of pulse says: alive. thx
19:48 < daja77> hehe owl you should vote! http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/te/15239/1.html
19:49 < owl> daja77: *lol* i jnow. i'm seeing her "wahlplakate" every day when i'm in munich (and using trambahn)... :p
19:49 < owl> (and for sure i'm going voting)
19:50 < daja77> good
19:52 < owl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimalistic_XFree:
19:52 < owl> 175 builds total, 22 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:52 < owl> *sigh*
19:52 < owl> my machine is too slow...
19:53 < rxr> Hi Mike1 - hi all
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19:54 < blindcod1r> hi hi and rehi
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19:54 < Mike1> 0_o minimal is not supposed to build xfree ...
19:54 < owl> Mike1: your minimal not...
19:54 < owl> (but mine is...)
19:55 < Mike1> owl: what kind of a fool idea is it of a minimal system with xfree? even mine is too fat, i'm trying to make it smaller
19:56 < Mike1> ah well anyways if this si not my target, i'm busy to waste my time on this.
19:56 * Mike1 away coding
19:56 < owl> thx for your nice words
19:56 < owl> goodbye
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19:58 < daja77> ts
19:59 < daja77> bbl
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20:01 < owl> wtf is that:
20:01 < owl> ./scripts/Build-Tools: line 70: 1: ambiguous redirect
20:01 < owl> ./scripts/Build-Tools: line 72: 1: ambiguous redirect
20:01 < owl> cmp: missing operand after `-s'
20:05 < SMP> missing or wrong mktemp
20:06 < owl> ah... k. thx, SMP
20:07 < Mike1> hi SMP :)
20:07 < SMP> hmmm
20:07 < SMP> hi
20:08 < owl> ./ignore Mike1
20:08 < Mike1> h.p.
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20:13 < SMP> sunt pueri pueri, pueri puerilia tractant ...
20:13 < rxr> hi SMP
20:13 < SMP> hi Rene
20:14 < rxr> SMP: did you know that you do not need a nameif - ip is already doing this (at least it seems to be so)
20:15 < SMP> I mentioned this multiple times during our discussion
20:15 < SMP> 'ip link set old0 name new0'
20:15 < rxr> nope
20:16 < SMP> how else?
20:16 < rxr> this is to initially set and save it into the config file
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20:16 < rxr> but when I "up" my eth1 wlan card it just gets renamed to eth3 without any nameif whatever
20:17 < rxr> just the /etc/mtab config is present
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20:17 < blindcoder> rehi
20:17 < SMP> $ strings /sbin/ip | grep mactab
20:17 < SMP> $
20:17 < SMP> hmm
20:17 < owl> wb blindcoder
20:18 < blindcoder> damn... lots my kernel-config and now the smare modules don't work anymore >_<
20:18 < blindcoder> need to rebuild kernel...
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20:47 < christ|an> hi @ all
20:47 < christ|an> *g
20:47 < christ|an> Mike1: are you avaiable?
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20:50 < christ|an> hi n00kie
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21:01 < n00kie> Hi ch :)
21:01 < n00kie> argh
21:06 * tcr grumbles
21:07 < tcr> #!$@ Sat1... just kicked off Enterprise for this ridiculous starsearch pop crap... Blah
21:07 * tcr is angry
21:09 * schasi thinks tcr is right somehow, but not totally. 
21:10 < tcr> I'm Always Right. Keep that in mind. :P
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21:24 < blindcoder> hmm... seems to be easier than expected
21:27 < blindcoder> okay
21:27 * blindcoder more @ anime while build runs
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21:43 < jeru> hi, i want to install rock on a toshiba 2430 notebook, if i boot a 2.4.x kernel i always get a kernel freeze after "Uncompressing Linux...", if i boot a 2.2.x kernel there is no freeze, any ideas why?
21:43 < jeru> i also tested "linux noscsi", "failsafe", etc...
21:46 < jsaw> noacpi?
21:46 < jeru> ...the same
21:46 < jsaw> searched lkml
21:46 < jsaw> ?
21:47 < jeru> jep, and also toshiba linux ml but they just say make chroot on a 2.2x kernel and then compile a 2.4.x or later
21:47 < jeru> but i wanna now the reason
21:47 < jeru> *know
21:48 < jsaw> processor?
21:48 < SMP> http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/~wwwstoch/voss/comp/toshiba.html
21:48 < jeru> p4 2,5g
21:48 < daja77> n8 you all
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21:48 < jeru> thx smp
21:48 < jsaw> g'n8 daja77
21:49 < christ|an> puh
21:49 < christ|an> re
21:49 < SMP> that was incredibly hard to find ;>
21:49 < christ|an> i have done a big mistake :) i made shit with my .xinitrc :)
21:50 < jsaw> re btw
21:50 < christ|an> re
21:51 < jeru> Warning: I had to disable the Local APIC support on uniprocessors feature. With the local APIC enabled the machine hung immediately after LILO passed the control to the kernel.
21:51 < jeru> ?
21:51 < jeru> quoting from the link ahead
21:51 < jsaw> noapic
21:51 < jeru> yah, i got a freeze then
21:52 < blindcoder> shit, made a boo-boo... now it takes three hours for the build to finish instead of 5 minutes >_<
21:52 * blindcoder -> bed
21:52 < blindcoder> n8 all
21:52 < jeru> gn8 blindcoder
22:07 < christ|an> i have got a question about .xinitrc
22:07 < christ|an> http://unix.about.com/library/weekly/aa031201a.htm -> i tryed this "tutorial"
22:08 < christ|an> there is given an example for the .xinitrc file:
22:08 < christ|an> #Launch window manager and xterms
22:08 < christ|an> fvwm &
22:08 < christ|an> xterm -geometry 80x40+494+25 &
22:08 < christ|an> xterm -geometry 80x20+0+350 &
22:08 < christ|an> okay:
22:08 < christ|an> fvwm & //defines the windowmanager
22:08 < christ|an> but why have this script to start two xterms?
22:09 < christ|an> #Login window
22:09 < christ|an> exec xterm -geometry 80x20+0+0 -name login
22:09 < christ|an> here another one
22:09 < jeru> if you want just one term do so :)
22:09 < jeru> some people need 3 terms, what the heck
22:09 < christ|an> well - when i enter knwo "startx" my windowmanager starts.
22:10 < christ|an> and 3 xterms apper
22:10 < christ|an> and when i close one - the whole wm stopps.
22:11 < jeru> delete the last line "exec ..." and try again
22:11 < christ|an> here is my whole xinitrc file:
22:11 < christ|an> oh okay
22:11 < christ|an> moment :)
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22:16 < christ|an> it works :)
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22:16 < christ|an> i will restart again to test another thing
22:16 < christ|an> thanks
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22:16 < dexter> hi
22:17 < dexter> I finally managed to install rock
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22:23 < SMP> christ|an: you are supposed to exec the windowmanager from .xinitrc - obviously as the last thing
22:24 < christ|an> re
22:25 < christ|an> SMP: you mean this command: fvwm &
22:25 < christ|an> ?ß
22:25 < jeru> change to "exec fvwm"
22:25 < christ|an> moment please
22:26 < christ|an> okay - now my file looks like this:
22:26 < SMP> and put it _last_
22:26 < christ|an> xterm -geometry 80x40+494+25 &
22:26 < christ|an> xterm -geometry 80x20+0+350 & xsetroot -bitmap /home/christian/tyro.xbm &
22:26 < christ|an> exec waimea
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22:27 < christ|an> i think the wm has to run bevore i can define a background image?
22:27 < christ|an> before...
22:27 < christ|an> or SMP?
22:28 < SMP> no.
22:28 < jeru> hmm, back to my notebook, i can't find a option like "APIC [Disabled]" in my bios, may i need a bios flash?! "linux noapic" doesn't work too...
22:28 < christ|an> i will try it
22:28 < christ|an> we will see us soon again :>
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22:28 < SMP> jeru: that's a compile-time option for the kernel
22:30 < rxr> re
22:30 < jeru> quote: "I had to disable the Local APIC support on uniprocessors feature." hmm, the only way is "linux noapic"?
22:30 < jeru> wb rxr
22:30 < SMP> jeru: again, it is a compile-time option
22:31 < jeru> SMP: again, i'm a gimp ;)
22:32 < jeru> btw, http://de.shuttle.com/linux.htm plz look at the APIC text...
22:32 < rxr> SMP: jeru: it can also be disavled as kernel parameter - even when compiled into the kernel ...
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22:33 < christ|an> rehi :)
22:33 < christ|an> i works :)
22:33 < christ|an> but the backgroundimage is only b/w
22:35 < christ|an> restart
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22:35 < rxr> SMP: Isabella O ?
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22:37 < christ|an> SMP: now the bg image is full with nice colors :)
22:37 < SMP> rxr: a girl from St. Petersburg - we used to be in love
22:38 < SMP> guess why I needed to see and write Cyrillic ;)
22:38 < rxr> used to be - or still are ?
22:38 < rxr> ;-)
22:39 < rxr> o my - why does ROCK generates so much workload ....
22:39 < SMP> rxr: well, at least one of us still is
22:39 < rxr> ah
22:41 < dexter> bye
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22:43 < christ|an> kasc: hi hi :)
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23:20 < christ|an> http://www.mydownloadz.de/wm.png -> my little world now :) thanks to all of you :)
23:39 < rxr> n8 - cu
23:39 < mnemoc> w8...
23:39 < mnemoc> rxr
23:39 < mnemoc> why mono was refused?
23:40 < christ|an> i will go to bed
23:40 < christ|an> good night to everyone
23:40 < mnemoc> gn8 christ|an
23:41 < christ|an> we will see tomorrow again :)
23:41 < christ|an> ROCK RULZ
23:41 < christ|an> :)
23:42 < mnemoc> rock rocks ;)
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