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00:18 < Mike1> n8 all
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02:36 < fake> kewl, the sonypid patch to the makefile has also been accepted by the author ;)
02:37 < mnemoc> your ar a contributor :)
02:39 < fake> yeah, sonypid simple install target makefile edit, and bluez-utils Makefile.am fixing
02:39 < fake> ww.
02:39 < fake> wee.
02:40 < mnemoc> :D
02:42 < SMP> WTF
02:43 < fake> what the fuck does WTF mean? ;)
02:43 < SMP> where is $pkg_openldap_prefix supposed to come from?
02:43 < SMP> in a .conf
02:43 < fake> SMP: *shrug*
02:44 < mnemoc> mmm :)
02:44 < fake> SMP: did you also wonder why /opt/openldap/libexec/slapd complains about a missing libsasl?
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02:44 < mnemoc> openldap inject that into toolsdir after uilding
02:45 < mnemoc> slapd wants sasl??
02:45 < fake> SMP: (there is no libsasl on my system, but i did a full install, so it is kund of legitimate...)
02:46 < fake> mnemoc: either that, or it is idealistically blinded.
02:46 < fake> ;-)
02:46 < SMP> huh
02:46 < SMP> well it's abvious that slapd wants libsasl
02:47 < SMP> if it was compiled with sasl support (as it should)
02:47 < SMP> so what's the problem?
02:47 < mnemoc> sasl is not on rock
02:47 < SMP> sure it is
02:47 < fake> SMP: but how comes that i don't have libsasl on my system, after a full install of all packages that compiled?
02:48 < SMP> ls /var/adm/flists/cyrus-sasl
02:48 < mnemoc> package/tsa/cyrus-sasl
02:48 < fake> i trief a ( cd /usr/lib && find . -name 'libsasl*' -print )
02:49 < fake> s,trief,ried,
02:49 < fake> the return was pretty much nothing
02:49 < mnemoc> look at flist
02:49 < fake> but i must admit, i havent checked the flists that, so i'll just do that.
02:49 < SMP> well do you have cyrus-sasl installed or not?
02:50 < fake> s,that,yet, (need to go to bed)
02:50 < SMP> if yes, why is there suddenly no libsasl
02:50 < fake> SMP: that's the question
02:50 < SMP> if not, why did openldap link against it but you have no package right now
02:50 < fake> ack. exactly that's what i was wondering, too
02:50 < mnemoc> configure should detect it
02:51 < SMP> arrgh
02:51 < SMP> do you have the cyrus-sasl packages installed right now, with whatever content
02:51 < fake> another question: i can't seem to get the openssh configure on mips to find the (perfectly fine) openssl installation
02:51 < SMP> ?
02:51 < fake> SMP: any experiences?
02:51 < SMP> no
02:52 < fake> hrmpf. as for cyrus-sasl, i am not at the box currently, but i will look at it in half an hour or so (when i'm home)
02:53 < SMP> I hate kasc's packages
02:54 < fake> don't be mean
02:54 * fake will drive now
02:54 < fake> cu later
02:54 < mnemoc> cu fake
02:58 < SMP> and I hate the openldap package, too
02:59 < mnemoc> :(
02:59 < mnemoc> what do you hate of openldap package?
03:01 < SMP> hmm, it's not as bad as I thought
03:01 < SMP> but --without-sasl for a lib-only build it stupid anyway
03:02 < mnemoc> sure :(
03:02 < mnemoc> i'll have to remove that
03:03 < mnemoc> after testing it
03:03 < SMP> it's your packageß
03:03 < SMP> ?
03:03 * mnemoc hides
03:04 < SMP> oh, I thought it was in tsa/ ;->
03:04 * mnemoc still hiden
03:04 < cchamilt> hi
03:04 < SMP> mnemoc: come back :)
03:04 < mnemoc> :)
03:04 < mnemoc> hi cchamilt
03:05 < cchamilt> SMP, you want a real sasl/ldap solution
03:05 < SMP> is that a question?
03:05 < cchamilt> i mean sasl 2 and ldap 2.1.x
03:06 < cchamilt> shit i will have to run pserver...
03:06 < cchamilt> seriously?
03:06 < cchamilt> I can pull then from my horde of packages mike wont release yet.
03:07 < SMP> openldap 2.1 got added support for sasl2? hmm
03:07 < cchamilt> http or anonymous cvs?
03:07 < cchamilt> would you like a heimdal snapshot with that?
03:08 < SMP> cchamilt: what are you talking about?
03:08 < cchamilt> cyrus-imap too, but that is probably not needed
03:09 < cchamilt> I have this ex-product called intouch that is a AD talking MS Exchange killer
03:09 < cchamilt> It has all that stuff in it.
03:09 < cchamilt> Mike1 is in charge of the tree, but he has never released it to rene.
03:10 < mnemoc> cchamilt mike use to send direct mails to rene
03:10 < cchamilt> This is not mikes personal packages.
03:11 < cchamilt> I have been asking him to submit them for months now, but he doesnt want to do it until our target builds perfectly.
03:12 < cchamilt> I'll do a checkout to http
03:12 < mnemoc> svn ;)
03:15 < cchamilt> so how do I remove CVS directories...
03:16 < mnemoc> rm -rf
03:16 < mnemoc> you have to checkout again
03:16 < cchamilt> http://www.ambigc.com/rock/mailsystem/
03:17 < cchamilt> check in packages/techworx/mail-* for most packages
03:17 < cchamilt> I think most are pretty up to date, though I havent done a build in 3 weeks.
03:18 < cchamilt> mail-* packages are meant to augment some current packages in the tree.
03:19 < cchamilt> some arent finished like openca, but all the infrastructure stuff like sasl, etc. is working in production.
03:20 < mistik1> re folks
03:20 < cchamilt> SMP?
03:21 < cchamilt> hmm, oh well.  Hope this helped.
03:22 < SMP> eh
03:23 < mnemoc> cchamilt: if you have more complete .conf files you should send the patches to the list, even if you don't have the target ready
03:23 < cchamilt> no shit, tell that to mike
03:24 < SMP> uhh
03:25 < cchamilt> hmm .conf has no perms...
03:25 < cchamilt> i wonder who did that.
03:27 < cchamilt> how did that happen.  does apache 1.3 naturally block .conf files?
03:28 < cchamilt> never mind, squid hickup
03:28 < cchamilt> squid so stoopid
03:29 < cchamilt> SMP: http://www.ambigc.com/rock/mailsystem/ for all your sasl2 and ldap2.1.x needs...
03:31 < cchamilt> oh note: krb5 package is mit, dont use that.  heimdal is the 'good' kerberos.
03:32 < cchamilt> need to go through and remove useless packages.
03:34 < cchamilt> hmm sasl needs bumped to 2.1.15 i see.
03:34 < cchamilt> Anyway i will shut up now.
03:35 < fake> so...
03:38 < fake> openca? clifford integrated that on linuxtag...
03:38 < fake> together with opensc
03:38 < fake> iirc
03:38 < cchamilt> good
03:40 < cchamilt> where?
03:40 < fake> cchamilt: i am not sure wether it is already 'active'
03:41 < fake> cchamilt: you'll have to ask cliff about details, i was busy ;)
03:41 < cchamilt> not in clifford anyways. openca is setup to install on the specific host, so I never looked at it much.
03:42 < cchamilt> It would be great if he did, between that and good ldap/krb support we would have a good system.
03:42 * fake listening to a great interpretion of 'sound of silence' from atrocity
03:42 * cchamilt listening to airconditioner rumble
03:42 < fake> cchamilt: how's things, anyways?
03:43 < cchamilt> quit company lead by not honest person
03:43 < fake> SMP: cyrus-sasl doesn't seem to be installed... will check if it's on a cd
03:43 < fake> arghl
03:44 < fake> damn it. i lended the cds to a colleague over the weekend
03:44 < fake> stupid me.
03:44 < fake> time for scripts/Build-Pkg
03:44 < cchamilt> what needs sasl 1.5 anymore anyways?
03:45 < cchamilt> the only packages dumb enough to use sasl are cyrus and ldap, both use 2 now.
03:45 < fake> i haven't even the slightest idea what sasl stands for, i just give openldap what it complains about
03:45 < cchamilt> i thought there were unfixed security problems in 1.5
03:46 < mnemoc> # grep -l sasl package/*/*/*.cache
03:46 < mnemoc> package/mnemoc/openldap/openldap.cache
03:46 < mnemoc> package/tsa/cyrus-sasl/cyrus-sasl.cache
03:46 < cchamilt> sasl 1.5 is dead
03:46 < cchamilt> according to cyrus imap list
03:47 < cchamilt> need to get tsa to take my sasl and you to merge my ldap heh
03:48 < cchamilt> secure authentication something layer
03:48 < mnemoc> your ldap have too many confopts :(
03:48 < cchamilt> fake: it is plugin authentication on the app layer - kind of like a lame PAM.
03:49 < mnemoc> i also have dnsldap3, {pam,nss]_ldap  on my mnemoc-devel repo.
03:50 < mnemoc> dupes are bad for health
03:50 < cchamilt> ldapdns you mean?
03:50 < cchamilt> anyway, since when are too many explicit configs bad, have you seen rpms for openldap?
03:50 < mnemoc> yes :)
03:51 < mnemoc> are rpms a good example?
03:51 < cchamilt> the only exces dependency is opensllp.
03:51 < cchamilt> the only extra dependency is openslp
03:52 < mnemoc> i see .conf config as absolutly generic, every other confopt should be added by target or with a bool on config.in
03:52 < fake> cchamilt: ah, thanks!
03:52 < mnemoc> can you split it and suggest 'bool' configs?
03:52 < cchamilt> mnemoc: interesting philosophy.
03:53 < cchamilt> so they can be add to Config?
03:53 < mnemoc> current config.in has a bool to build just libraries
03:54 < mnemoc> you can suggest a couple (few) more bools
03:54 < cchamilt> maybe if you read through and understood the flags, you might see they don't do much but configure the layout of the binaries more than anything.
03:55 < mnemoc> another way to do that is if pkg foo is installed, enable foo on this package
03:55 < cchamilt> mnemoc:how about we make a regular version of all packages and then a 'development' one with all those icky headers.
03:55 < cchamilt> :)
03:55 < mnemoc> don't like the idea
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03:57 < cchamilt> it was a rpm joke
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03:57 < mnemoc> not funny (:
03:58 < cchamilt> my question is, when people select openldap, will they expect a full version or just libraries...
03:58 < mnemoc> full
03:58 < mnemoc> well... server, not full
03:59 < cchamilt> so why make a library only one?
03:59 < mnemoc> it's easier to add confopt than removing them
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03:59 < mnemoc> i don't get that :-\ /me too sleepy
04:00 < cchamilt> whatever, I wont force you to use it.
04:01 < mnemoc> if you group your confopt i can add them as optionals
04:02 < mnemoc> but you will have to change prefix in your target... i don't like much to see it in /usr :(
04:03 < cchamilt> ah it is ok, dont need to 'merge' no big deal.  It can stay target specific.
04:03 < SMP> I anticipate a new feature in 2.1 that will make it possible to install only selected parts of a package, i.e. only dyn. libs or all but documentation etc.
04:03 < mnemoc> i want your confopts...
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04:04 < SMP> or 'everything but static libs and headers'
04:04 < SMP> whatever
04:04 < mnemoc> SMP: flistdel is not nice enough :(
04:04 < SMP> flistdel is EVIL
04:04 < mnemoc> may be adding regex to mine
04:04 < mnemoc> hehehe
04:05 < mnemoc> use flistdel to not package .a is not as evil as using flistdel to hide changes to httpd.conf
04:06 < SMP> nono
04:06 < SMP> everything will be packaged, but you can chose which parts to install when 'mine -i'-ing it
04:07 < mnemoc> that's what i tryed to say with 'adding regex to mine'
04:07 < cchamilt> I would be more concerned about how one can maintain a package in rock, rock configs are already too complex.
04:09 < mnemoc> complex configs currently are powerful config with you don't need to see
04:10 < mnemoc> when i finish with mono i'll continue with ldap and friends
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04:13 < SMP> arrgh
04:13 < mnemoc> ?
04:13 < SMP> it isn't even possible to build gnomemeeting without ldap
04:14 < mnemoc> ldap-libs ;)
04:15 < mnemoc> i wonder ifwhen i build onely ldap-libs they should go to usr/lib or dirt the tree creating /opt/openldap...
04:16 < mnemoc> what do you think
04:17 < SMP> hmmm
04:17 < SMP> I think openldap should always go into /usr
04:17 < mnemoc> :(
04:17 < SMP> that's how things work in general
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04:18 < SMP> personally, I install things like openldap and mysql into /opt/$pkg/$ver
04:18 < mnemoc> s/opt/packages/ :)
04:19 < SMP> no, that would cause confusion with my /package ;)
04:19 < mnemoc> :)
04:20 < mnemoc> that remembers my i haven't sent runit patch
04:21 < SMP> I need a fucking faster laptop ...
04:23 < n00kie> I need a laptop
04:23 < mnemoc> me too
04:23 < n00kie> Well SMP
04:23 < n00kie> If you don't like your laptop
04:23 < n00kie> Give it to us
04:23 < n00kie> We need it :)
04:26 < SMP> if you could chose between a tiny Sony C1MHP (Crusoe 876MHz, 256MB RAM, 9" TFT, 30GB HB, bluetooth) and a huge GRX616SP (Mobile P4 2.4 GHz, 1GB RAM, 16" TFT (!!!), 60GB HB, CD-RW/DVD+/-RW writer) ...
04:26 < SMP> which one would you chose? :)
04:26 < mnemoc> sony
04:26 < SMP> well they're both Sony
04:27 < SMP> so you mean the C!
04:27 < SMP> C1
04:27 < mnemoc> well... the first
04:27 < mnemoc> $$?
04:28 < mnemoc> looks nicer :)
04:28 < SMP> 1900 Euros and 3400 Euros
04:28 < SMP> 1 EUR ~ $1
04:28 < SMP> but the leasing rates are not so much different
04:29 < SMP> well, I took the first one
04:30 < SMP> but I don't have a desktop, so I will have to keep using my older Sony Z600TEK (P3 700MHz, 12" TFT, 256MB RAM, 20GB HD)
04:30 < mnemoc> and what do you currently have?
04:30 < SMP> as a 'desktop'
04:31 < SMP> but the C1 is just so damn portable
04:31 < n00kie> SMP build your own laptop :)
04:31 < n00kie> Buy a "Aktenkoffer", TFT and a normal machine
04:31 < n00kie> and do casemodding :)
04:31 < n00kie> of course, you need a car battery for the computer
04:32 < n00kie> but it's portable too
04:32 < SMP> a car battery won't keep up for 10 minutes
04:32 < n00kie> Hmm
04:33 * n00kie cannot believe that
04:33 < SMP> but actually I hope I'll get _both_ laptops ;P
04:33 < n00kie> Then give them us
04:35 < mnemoc> i have a P3 700 on desktop :(
04:35 < cchamilt> mnemoc: now look at mail-openldap.conf
04:37 < mnemoc> cchamilt: are --enable-{slapd,slurpd,syslog} needed?
04:37 < cchamilt> i have a fujistu p2120
04:38 < mnemoc> :|
04:38 < cchamilt> some options like slurpd are auto for some reason
04:38 < cchamilt> like somehow it 'would' know you plan to replicate the server
04:39 < cchamilt> slapd is default, but who knows.  syslog is 'auto' as well.
04:40 < SMP> having a daemon more hardly hurts ..
04:40 < cchamilt> I like the p2120 over the sony c1
04:40 < cchamilt> crusoes are slow though
04:41 < cchamilt> I just believe in being explicit.  That way if there are problems they are more likely to abort than screw up a build.
04:41 < SMP> it doesn't have to be fast, it has to be portable
04:42 < cchamilt> of course what autoconf feels is a failure is up to it...
04:42 < SMP> does the p2120 have bluetooth builtin?
04:42 < cchamilt> I get about 8 to 10 hours on it.
04:42 < cchamilt> no that is the only lacking thing
04:42 < SMP> I don't even need a long runtime
04:42 < cchamilt> I have one of those $20 usb bluetooths
04:43 < SMP> what I want is grab exactly two things (cellphone with bluetooth and subnotebook) and fix urgent things from anywhere
04:44 < cchamilt> as long as the service call last 2hours... :)
04:45 < cchamilt> ah well I shouldnt talk about how great the p2120 is anyway.
04:45 < SMP> hmm ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS installs slapd / slurpd manpages :)
04:46 < cchamilt> it has grounding problems and the trackpoint is a little bit flaky in linux.
04:48 < cchamilt> of course that might be just my box
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04:48 < mnemoc> SMP: doh :(
04:50 < mnemoc> # echo "<SMP> hmm ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS installs slapd / slurpd manpages :)" >> package/mnemoc/openldap/TODO
04:51 < SMP> ;)
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04:52 < fake> huh?
04:52 < fake> i got cut off...
04:53 < mistik1> man this sounds like so much greek to me right now
04:53 < mistik1> I can wait to jump in a try rock
04:53 < mistik1> s/can/cant/
04:55 < mnemoc> rock is a 'must use'
04:55 < cchamilt> hmm i wonder if the current sasl still needs my heimdal patches
04:56 < mnemoc> cchamilt: you have to sync with svn
04:56 < cchamilt> why?
04:57 < mnemoc> many things have changes in last weeks
04:57 < cchamilt> well i would hope so... but what?
04:59 < mnemoc> to make the merge easier when you have your target ready
05:00 < cchamilt> i think it is ok, the packages and targets just 'overlay' on a svn co
05:00 < mnemoc> yes, but you may got dupes... and mail-$pkg is EVIL
05:01 < cchamilt> it is what clifford told me todo
05:01 < mnemoc> :)
05:01 < cchamilt> he said to change the name space for target specific versions of packages...
05:02 < cchamilt> if you have pam
05:02 < cchamilt> excuse me if you have pam_ldap and nss_ldap i can drop those
05:03 < cchamilt> hitting enter is too easy...
05:03 < SMP> on the p2120? ;)
05:03 < mnemoc> i dont' have them on rock... i have them in mnemoc-devel... but i'm moving those 37 packages to mnemoc
05:03 < cchamilt> heck i would like to merge my php back too, only it requires kerberos and mhash/mcrypt
05:03 < SMP> mnemoc: ls package/mnemoc-devel
05:04 < cchamilt> yes the p2120 has a slightly screwed keyboard but not as bad as thinkpads
05:07 < mnemoc> # ls
05:07 < mnemoc> arch     cdb           daemontools  ez-ipupdate  ldapdns  mhash       nss_ldap   pam_ldap    pureftpd  sleuthkit   ulogd
05:07 < mnemoc> atop     chkrootkit    di           freeswan     lft      mml         oidentd    passcheck   rtai      socklog     unixodbc
05:07 < mnemoc> bashdb   courier-imap  djbdns       grsecurity   lids     mod_psldap  openmosix  pipe-tools  runit     ucspi-tcp   xharbour
05:07 < mnemoc> beltane  cpudyn        eics         ipsvd        links    no-ip       openwall   psad        samhain   ucspi-unix
05:07 < mnemoc> floooooof
05:07 < mnemoc> flood
05:09 < mnemoc> and boehm-gc, mono, mono-xsp, mono-debugger, mod_mono, mono-doc, gtk-sharp and harbour which are in limbo
05:09 < cchamilt> floooof is right, what you using mhash for?
05:09 < SMP> aaaack grsecurity
05:10 < SMP> is beltane being maintaned?
05:10 < mnemoc> mhash is needed by some other package... i don't remember wirght now
05:11 < cchamilt> ok, which version of arch?
05:11 < mnemoc> beltane... no idea... but samhain got updated this days
05:11 < mnemoc> tla
05:11 < cchamilt> tcr probably would want to maintain that...
05:12 < mnemoc> no problem with shaing packages :)
05:13 < mnemoc> SMP:  beltane-1.0.3 26.05.2003
05:13 < cchamilt> he is active in their little community
05:13 < mnemoc> we need arch for rock-2.1
05:14 < cchamilt> i want to switch to arch, but waiting for ssl webdav
05:14 < mnemoc> i have lost much work beacuase of the no-branch policy :(
05:14 < mnemoc> i mean... no wirte access to main repo
05:15 < cchamilt> yeah i know
05:15 < mnemoc> arch solves that beutifully
05:15 < cchamilt> yep
05:15 < cchamilt> arch appears very smart if slow
05:16 < mnemoc> as cvs ;)
05:16 < mnemoc> jk
05:17 < mnemoc> SMP: have you user ctx+grsec?
05:17 < mnemoc> used
05:17 < SMP> gah!
05:17 < SMP> mnemoc: no
05:20 < mnemoc> i wonder if the work properly together
05:21 < SMP> arrrRRRgh
05:21 * SMP trying to make openh323's pwlib work with gcc3
05:23 < mnemoc> SMP go for gcc33
05:23 < mnemoc> if you fix it for 33 you will get it fixed for 3.2
05:24 < SMP> stefanp@lolita:~/tmp/callgen323$ make PWLIBDIR=/usr/share/pwlib OPENH323DIR=/usr/share/openh323 obj_linux_x86_r/main.o 2>&1 | wc -l
05:24 < SMP>    1859
05:25 < SMP> __1859__ lines of errors for just this one file
05:26 < SMP> problem is - I have absolutely zero clue about C++
05:26 < mnemoc> the more usual problem is that gcc no longer supports multiline strings
05:26 < mnemoc> lolita?
05:27 < SMP> my laptop
05:27 < cchamilt> yes i think we know too much about smp now :)
05:27 < mnemoc> cute name ;)
05:30 * SMP opening a window to get some cool air
05:30 < cchamilt> hmm, thought police might be coming...
05:30 < SMP> mnemoc: how is it these days in .cl?
05:31 < mnemoc> some rain.. 4°-20°
05:31 < SMP> sounds OK
05:31 < mnemoc> really ok :)
05:32 < mnemoc> we have no 'extrem' weathers
05:32 < mnemoc> we have the dryes desert, but it's no so hot
05:32 < mnemoc> etc..
05:33 < mnemoc> i'm forzen with 7° :-\
05:33 < mnemoc> and can't breath with 30°
05:33 < SMP> hehe
05:34 < cchamilt> celsius is not fine tuned enough
05:34 < SMP> huh, what happened to www.rocklinux.de ...
05:36 < mnemoc> english/american people loves 'big numbers' °F, basketball, baseball, football.... all big numbers
05:36 < mnemoc> we are more modest ;)
05:36 < SMP> *g*
05:36 < cchamilt> i like a temperature between 27 and 28, but cant get it with my airconditioner being celsius only.
05:37 < cchamilt> so i am too hot or cold depending on whether it is running.
05:37 < mnemoc> you need to desing your own airconditioner :|
05:38 < cchamilt> or add decimal points....
05:39 < cchamilt> baseball doesnt tend to have high numbers does it?
05:39 < mnemoc> no... lot of low numbers ;)
05:39 < mnemoc> but lot of them
05:39 < cchamilt> heh
05:39 < n00kie> How much °F is one °C?
05:40 < SMP> it's not linear
05:40 < cchamilt> something like 5/9ths
05:40 < mnemoc> plus a constant
05:40 < cchamilt> plus the 32 shift
05:40 < n00kie> Okay
05:41 < mnemoc> their metric sucks
05:41 < mnemoc> 10 is a nice number... why not use it :|
05:41 < SMP> does 'c++3 and BOOL' ring a bell for anyone?
05:42 < cchamilt> nah just some english culture should be thrown out.
05:42 < mnemoc> cchamilt: that's a good option
05:43 < mnemoc> much inch:feet:mile does not makes sense to me
05:43 < mnemoc> s/much//
05:44 < mnemoc> SMP: did you asked google?
05:44 < SMP> I'm on it
05:44 < SMP> but I think I'll just ask an src.rpm ...
05:45 < mnemoc> src.rpm->gcc2.96 ... or not?
05:45 < cchamilt> well the metrics were based on either old measurements or reproducible ones that made sense for the time back then.
05:45 < mnemoc> how many feets has a mile?
05:46 < cchamilt> and of course si takes the whole idea of everything must be based on scientific knowledge a little too far too
05:46 < cchamilt> 5120 i think
05:47 < mnemoc> uff
05:47 < mnemoc> i guess everybody learn to count with the fingers... and they are 10 ;)
05:47 < cchamilt> if you are lucky
05:48 < mnemoc> almost everybody :(
05:48 < cchamilt> it is an assumption, of course you can stipulate required functionality
05:48 < cchamilt> not that i have missing members...
05:49 < cchamilt> count how many fingers you should have...
05:49 < cchamilt> :) i am just messing with you
05:49 < mnemoc> define 'should' ;)
05:50 < cchamilt> yep
05:50 * mnemoc is going in other direction
05:50 < cchamilt> i definitely have something wrong with my brain today.
05:51 < mnemoc> some sleep is good to solve that
05:51 < cchamilt> just woke up
05:51 < mnemoc> go back to bed ;)
05:51 < cchamilt> maybe, i do feel irritable
05:52 < cchamilt> i dont think i should be coding in this mood, i will only do something stupid i will regret
05:52 < cchamilt> i will decide to restructure something and get confused and ...
05:56 < mnemoc> i will go to sleep
05:56 < mnemoc> :)
05:56 < mnemoc> gn8
05:56 < cchamilt> n8
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07:05 < SMP> gah, screw all h.323
07:09 < owl> good morning *yawn*
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07:35 < n00kie_> moin owl
07:37 < owl> hi n00kie_
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08:36 < holyolli> moin
08:39 < owl> hi holyolli
08:51 < holyolli> hi owl
09:00 < holyolli> cya
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09:43 < Aard> moin
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10:01 < d3mian> hi
10:02 < praenti> moin
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10:22 < christ|an> hi @ all :)
10:39 < daja77> moin
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10:40 < Aard> hi daja77
10:40 < daja77> hey Aard
10:41 < daja77> ah nice konqueror crashed just for fun ...
10:42 < daja77> think I'll switch soon
10:42 < Aard> :)
10:43 < daja77> I'll give epiphany a try ...
10:44 < daja77> *argl* how can this happen: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-18.07.03-007/
10:45 < rxr> re
10:45 < daja77> hi rxr
10:49 < rxr> hi daja77
10:53 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-18.07.03-007/
10:53 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-18.07.03-007/
10:53 < rxr> oops sorry
10:53 < daja77> hm?
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10:59 < daja77> the worst thing is that freebsd getting more marketshare, not bad for a sucking os like this
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11:06 < rxr> it is not that sucking - is it?
11:07 < daja77> yes freebsd crashing on my hw ...
11:07 < rxr> hm
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11:10 < daja77> well I guess that win2k3 just replaces nt4
11:10 < schasi> was supposed to do, yes
11:10 < daja77> which would be of course better replaced by linux
11:12 < schasi> as nt was very unix alike, in fact more a unix than anything else
11:14 < daja77> nope ...
11:14 < schasi> huh?
11:15 < rxr> since when is NT unix-alike ?
11:15 < daja77> nt != unix
11:15 < daja77> maybe you are referring to posix subsystem
11:17 < schasi> am i?
11:18 < daja77> i guess you don't know what you are talking about ...
11:18 < rxr> daja77: the posix subsystem is not present in recent win2k or so variants anymore IIRC ...
11:18 < schasi> daja77: thats right, i just heard it from someone who should really know
11:18 < daja77> sure they are, they are ms argument for migrating unix to nt
11:18 < schasi> that win nt has many similairities to unix
11:19 < daja77> schasi: that is who?
11:19 < schasi> an admin of a corporation i was doing a replacement
11:19 < daja77> *rotfl*
11:19 < SMP> at least Microsoft has a UNIX license :>
11:19 < schasi> y?
11:19 < SMP> whatever that piece of paper is actually worth
11:20 < daja77> I had lectures with an os prof who was involved in porting nt to parisc, _he_ knows about nt internals
11:20 < daja77> and it is _not_ unix like at all
11:20 < daja77> nt is an vms clone
11:20 < daja77> -n
11:21 < SMP> they had parisc?
11:21 < SMP> I only knew about MIPS and SPARC
11:21 < daja77> he worked at hp ...
11:21 < rxr> they had sparc?
11:21 < rxr> I know of alpha ...
11:21 < SMP> and Alpha of course, the only non-x86 that was actually available
11:22 < daja77> they has almost every platform before everyone dropped the portings due linux
11:22 < SMP> hehe, yeah right
11:22 < rxr> hm - I did not know about SPARC - interesting ...
11:23 < daja77> the thing is that porting nt is a headache, especially for smp machines
11:23 < SMP> at that time Linux had by far not the power to stop such a port if Microsoft didn't want it stopped
11:24 < owl> remoin *yawn*
11:24 < daja77> but proting unix apps to linux is cheaper than porting them to win
11:24 < daja77> + backporting to unix is almost impossible
11:24 < rxr> we see how long itanic and x86_64 support needs to show up in Windoze ...
11:25 < daja77> yepp
11:29 < daja77> schasi: pls tell the person who should really know, to learn ;-)
11:29 < Aard> anybody out there wanting a 3c619c TokenRing (4/16M)-card? ;)
11:30 < daja77> hehe banking hw
11:30 < owl> *g* someone wants a PIN of a EC-card? ;)
11:30 * daja77 off for breakfast now
11:31 < daja77> I have one ...
11:31 < owl> (just don't know the owner)
11:31 < owl> daja77: /me too. but i watched someone typing in the PIN of the EC-card... only did a mistake: didn't steal the ec-card ;p
11:32 < daja77> ic
11:32 < rxr> owl: ;-) how was that about bad girls ?
11:33 < owl> rxr: *g* why? /me is always honest, nice, true :p
11:34 < owl> waaaaah... the new metallica-album is not as nice as the elder ones, btw...
11:42 < rxr> we need a new PR person
11:42 < owl> hmmm. what especially is the PR's person's job...?
11:43 < rxr> writing some announement text and informing other people / sites I think
11:43 < rxr> currently it is Jocelyn - but I need to kick her some times for each modification I want until it happens - s.th. some weeks
11:43 < rxr> this is unacceptable
11:44 < rxr> not only that news entries on www.rocklinux.org takes ages to appear
11:44 < owl> hmmm. as long as the person doesn't have to be on every event... (like LT or so...)...
11:44 < rxr> the handbook URL is invalied this time - and although I mailed here she has not fixed it since then ... (4 or 5 days?)
11:45 < rxr> additinal I find her announce text higly unprofessional
11:46 < owl> hmm. k
11:46 < rxr> it is always "xyz announced the release of the above. His original email is ..."
11:46 < rxr> and thats it mostly
11:46 < rxr> we really need more useful text on the frontpage ...
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11:47 < owl> ack. might the topics of the email should be listed. and at least the new download-urls and so. imho.
11:48 < rxr> yes
11:48 < rxr> mw of shorly ...
11:48 < rxr> /mw/me/ ...
11:48 < owl> oki. /me off in about 15 minutes, too
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11:49 < owl> hi rxr
11:49 < owl> aeh. ringo78
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12:00 < rxr> I just mailed jocelyn again ...
12:00 < owl> ah. i c.
12:01 < tcr> moin all
12:01 < owl>  hi tcr
12:02 < rxr> moin tcr
12:45 < cchamilt> rxr:?
12:46 < christ|an> i have got a problem:
12:48 < christ|an> when i vi in my xterm an create a new file i cant use the arrow keys ... when i press a error the result is not that what i want (that the curser goes to the position which the pressed key represents)
12:48 < SMP> christ|an: :set esckeys
12:48 < christ|an> what happens? this -> instead of moving the curser i get a nice output :)
12:48 < christ|an> a, b, c, and d
12:49 < christ|an> mom
12:50 < christ|an> hmmm
12:51 < christ|an> you mean when i am already in vi i should make this:
12:51 < christ|an> "Esc"
12:51 < christ|an> ":set esckeys" [enter]
12:51 < christ|an> okay it works :)
12:52 < SMP> echo set esckeys >> ~/.vimrc
12:53 < daja77> 863 builds total, 834 completed fine, 29 with errors.
12:53 < christ|an> okay - no output
12:54 < christ|an> how can i delete \n?
12:55 < ringo78> .d // Delete current line
12:55 < christ|an> nice to know :) thanks
12:57 < ringo78> http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html  // nice vi tutorial
12:57 < SMP> you really, really, _really_ should read some basic documentation or install SuSE
12:57 < christ|an> ringo78: thanks :) i will read it - so i never have to ask you rtfm questions about vi(m)
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13:02 < daja77> SMP: suggesting to install suse is evil ...
13:04 < SMP> right SuSE is probably an insult, rather Mandrake ...
13:04 < daja77> :)
13:07 < SMP> my wmaker very rarely gets stuck when panning a window - mouse and keyboard locked, nothing but moving that window works
13:07 < cytrinox> hi
13:08 < SMP> fix: kill -SEGV the wmaker process from a vt. this invokes the segfault handler, next chose 'restart windowmaker' and all is fine again ;-O
13:14 < SMP> afk.
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13:17 < Aard> *lol* a guy in another channel just rebootet his debian-box -- because it wouldn't open the cdrom-drive ;)
13:27 < cytrinox> lol
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14:02 < rxr> re
14:03 < rxr> hm - to my mail to Jocelyn, she only replied:
14:03 < rxr> "Yes, you are right. "
14:04 < rxr> hm - what should I get from this - especially since the broken URL is still not fixed ...
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14:28 < daja77> Aard: rofl
14:31 < esden> hi all
14:31 < esden> is Mike1 around?
14:34 < daja77> huhu esden
14:36 < christ|an> is anyone here with a asic c++ knowledge?
14:36 < daja77> yeah ...
14:36 < daja77> but I'll not answer questions right now
14:37 < christ|an> okay
14:44 < christ|an> anyone else?
14:47 < rxr> yes me
14:48 < Aard> christ|an: maybe me
14:49 < christ|an> can you speak german? :)
14:50 < christ|an> can = are you able to
14:50 < christ|an> bad bad english :)
14:50 < Aard> christ|an: -> query
15:04 < rxr> I could, too
15:04 < rxr> but I have not endless free time ...
15:05 < rxr> hm - ...
15:06 < rxr> now Jocelyn canceled completely? I just reasked for a correction - and talked about more verbose News entries ...
15:06 < rxr> someone here ?
15:08 < Aard> rxr: ?
15:11 < rxr> I meant core ROCK people ...
15:13 < fake> moin
15:14 < rxr> hi fake
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15:31 < tsa> hi all
15:41 < daja77> rxr: wtf?
15:42 < rxr> hi daja77 and tsa
15:42 < rxr> daja77: what fsck ?
15:42 < daja77> what has jocelyn canceled
15:43 < rxr> PR work
15:43 < rxr> daja77: read the list ...
15:44 < owl> rehi
15:44 < daja77> oops
15:44 < rxr> hi owl
15:44 < owl> hi rxr
15:45 < rxr> daja77: yes - oops. I only asked a few things - and she quit the job immediately ...
15:45 < fake> rxr: maybe trouble with cchamilt?
15:45 < fake> rxr: he was here all night
15:47 < owl> hi fake
15:47 < fake> hi owl
15:47 < fake> it's cool to have mono support in rock ;)
15:48 < owl> mono as in mono.net?
15:48 < owl> or so?
15:48 < rxr> owl: yes
15:48 < owl> omg.
15:48 < fake> owl: do you read the ml?
15:48 < owl> fake: aehm... yes and no.. depends
15:49 < owl> (ah... in the "as new makred" mails)
15:49 < schasi> anyone using xchat? how can i change between channels by keyboard?
15:51 < daja77> hmm I somehow got the feeling that there is more than that what jocelyn stated
15:51 < tsa> hm.
15:51 < tsa> i don't know for sure, but the mail sounded as if she was pissed off by something.
15:51 < tsa> whatever that might be..
15:51 < daja77> schasi: read the doc, god damn it
15:52 < daja77> tsa: ack
15:52 < tsa> (just a wild speculation)
15:53 < rxr> tsa: I just aksed her about a few things ...
15:53 < tsa> hi rxr
15:53 < rxr> I can post it on anarchy or so ...
15:53 < rxr> hi tsa
15:54 < tsa> rxr: no, please don't.
15:54 < daja77> well anyway, it is really a bad time for that
15:54 < tsa> rxr: if she would have wanted to explain herself, she would have done so, therefore i guess she has her reasons..
15:54 < rxr> I do not think so - I often needed a week to get an announcement done
15:54 < rxr> and the rock-handbook url is still invalid in the news entry ...
15:54 < tsa> hm.
15:54 < tsa> btw.
15:54 < daja77> rxr: so you take over pr for a while?
15:55 < tsa> does anyone publish flists of recent builds?
15:55 < rxr> daja77: I just phoned Cliff - we are currently migrating the homepage into the typo3 Content Managemant System
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15:55 < dexter> hi
15:55 < tsa> aaaaah!
15:55 < tsa> typo3!!
15:55 < daja77> ??!
15:55 < rxr> and he will ask for main editors next week
15:55 < owl> hi daja77
15:56 < rxr> I'll not do more PR then I already do
15:56 < tsa> daja77: "fully overloaded content management system"
15:56 < tsa> i've seem it at work..
15:56 < rxr> tsa: I meant the mail I sent to her - not her reply
15:56 < tsa> s/m/n/
15:56 < tsa> ah
15:56 < tsa> ok
15:56 < tsa> damnit.
15:56 < tsa> i need flists.
15:56 < rxr> should I post here - or on anarchy ...
15:56 < daja77> rxr: more would be really hard, you are doin a fine job n this already
15:56 < daja77> on
15:57 < tsa> better here, then.
15:57 < daja77> rxr: anarchy, please ;-)
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15:58 < daja77> hi Ge0rG
15:58 < owl> hi Ge0rG
15:58 < Ge0rG> good morning
15:59 * tsa sending patch.
15:59 * daja77 has to put down work for rock for a week
16:00 < dexter> interesting bugbuddy crashes which launches it self to report te bug and then crashes to ... etc etc
16:00 < daja77> *lol*
16:00 < tsa> hehe
16:01 < tsa> ah, nice.
16:01 < tsa> working opera 7 serial.
16:01 < daja77> btw it was reported that the dia we ship is borken, I just tested and it is :-(
16:02 < tsa> hm.
16:02 < daja77> just doubleclick an Textbutton, and it crashes
16:02 < tsa> i'm using dia 0.88.1 from 1.7.0-DEV-200203241816
16:02 < tsa> works.
16:02 < daja77> this is 0.91
16:02 < tsa> hm..
16:02 < tsa> gtk2?
16:03 < dexter> I just installed the beta6 release and it crashes when i want to lauch the sound properties window in gnome
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16:03 < daja77> yes
16:05 < schasi> anyone using xchat? how can i change between channels by keyboard?
16:05 < daja77> *argl*
16:05 < schasi> read the fm
16:05 < schasi> didnt find anything
16:05 < schasi> just as last time i read it
16:05 < daja77> join their chan and ask them
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16:05 < rxr> re
16:06 < rxr> strange - maybe wrong keypress ...
16:06 < dexter> hehe and theme just dies
16:06 < tsa> rxr: new patch for you on the list ;)
16:06 < schasi> if they answer...
16:07 < daja77> *shrug* then use another client ...
16:07 < rxr> mail posted on anarchy ...
16:07 < schasi> ^^
16:08 < tsa> hm..
16:08 < tsa> my pgp key expires in a week.
16:08 < rxr> cu later
16:08 < daja77> cu rxr
16:08 < owl> cya rxr
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16:18 < dexter> okee i installed the iso images lets see if downloading sources, building and installing goes that easy as well
16:21 < dexter> hmm mozilla hangs
16:21 < daja77> spam duplicates sucking even more ...
16:21 < dexter> maybe I should wait for the stable release;-)
16:21 < daja77> huh, you are downloading packages with mozilla?
16:22 < daja77> rock stable != mozilla stable
16:22 < dexter> no i just wante to down load the script that makes the download posible
16:22 < daja77> the script???!
16:22 < dexter> scripts
16:23 < daja77> you already have the src on hs, just do an upgrade
16:23 < daja77> hd
16:24 < daja77> cd /usr/src/rock-src
16:24 < daja77> scripts/Update-Src
16:24 < dexter> aaah
16:24 < dexter> thanks:-)
16:25 < daja77> and then Config, Donload, Build ...
16:25 < dexter> ok
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16:44 < Pyro> hi.
16:45 < Pyro> mm..'
16:46 < Pyro> jeg da.
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17:35 < knoti> moin
17:37 < daja77> moin knoti
17:38 < daja77> thx for your link :)
17:39 < daja77> *lol* http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/je-19.07.03-003/
17:41 * daja77 off now, cu
17:42 < knoti> cu
17:43 < knoti> SCO ist ja so scheiße
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18:52 < rxr> SMP: arround ?
18:55 < SMP> still
18:59 < fake> rxr: here?
19:00 < esden> hi all
19:01 < fake> hi esden
19:02 < fake> rxr: how is rockplug ought to write logfiles in /var/log, when the root fs is still mounted ro, and /var is not on an own partition?
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19:15 < rxr> fake: yes
19:15 < rxr> fake: in the recent svn HEAD the FS is mounted when rock plug is run ...
19:15 < rxr> even -beta7 contains this code change ...
19:16 < rxr> when a domain was last registered "14.07.2002" and not in use - is there hope that will become free in some days ?
19:19 < fake> rxr: ok, cool
19:20 < SMP> rxr: maybe, maybe not
19:20 < mnemoc> who is pascal?
19:22 < rxr> my brother - why ?
19:23 < mnemoc> just curius :)
19:23 < rxr> SMP: does a denic entry expire after an year?
19:23 < rxr> "Nextra Deutschland GmbH & Co. KG" registered rebe.de a year ago
19:23 < rxr> and it is not in use ....
19:27 < SMP> it 'expires' if the owner doesn't pay anymore
19:28 < rxr> and what is the normal cycle? A year - or can this expire cylcle be defined by the customer ?
19:28 < SMP> which is an unlikely situation in general as well as this particular domain
19:30 < rxr> you think they registed it get a big chunk of money from a wine company ?
19:31 < mnemoc> rxr: who will take PR?
19:31 < SMP> maybe it's not quite so unused as you think ;)
19:31 < mnemoc> SMP: you?
19:32 < SMP> mnemoc: no
19:33 < SMP> rxr: also there is automatic 'expire' - the owner has to pay for the domain until he cancels the contract
19:34 < SMP> is he doesn't pay hsi provider anymore, the domain is sent to 'transit', but not deleted
19:34 < SMP> ehm
19:34 < SMP> 'there is _no_ automatic expire'
19:39 < rxr> SMP: do you see a use of it ?
19:40 < tcr> mnemoc: there shouldn't be a distinct pr person, imho.
19:40 < SMP> rxr: well, it's on the nameservers, there is a mailexchanger ...
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19:41 < mnemoc> tcr: jocelyn quits... so we need someone... or you said everyone?
19:41 < Nebukadneza> hi
19:42 < mnemoc> hi Nebukadneza
19:42 < tcr> mnemoc: Yes, everyone in general, and the maintainer for specific cases (for example, that rxr had to ask jocelyn for updating freshmeat.net was somewhat braindead anyway).
19:43 < tcr> A distinct pr person does just add really unnecessary overhead that can and should be omitted
19:43 < rxr> tcr: yes
19:43 < Nebukadneza> my problem: i installed rocklinux 2.0.0 beta BLABLA ... tryed to boot, and then it says while he usually starts the initscripts evrytime" cannot execute /bin/sh"
19:43 < rxr> a PR person which thinks about possible actions and activities is fine ...
19:44 < Nebukadneza> the softwarelist was set to workstation
19:44 < rxr> and with the typo3 that should be introduced for the web-site next week everyone with an ID can edit pages and news entries ...
19:44 < rxr> Nebukadneza: the BLABLA is particularly interesting ..
19:44 < tcr> rxr: Really, there's no person needed for that :).
19:44 < mnemoc> rxr: that's what i mean by PR responsable... activities, events, camps, etc.
19:45 < Nebukadneza> rxr beta i dont know
19:45 < Nebukadneza> sek
19:45 < rxr> Nebukadneza: then go and find it out ...
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19:45 < christian> hi @ all
19:45 < tcr> "At the time it's desired, put in charge whoever is voluntary"
19:46 < christian> tcr: hi :)
19:46 < Nebukadneza> 2.0.0 beta 6 desktop i think
19:46 < tcr> moin christian
19:47 < christian> EXIT
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19:47 < Nebukadneza> anyone a idea?
19:48 < rxr> anyone experience with the -beta6 ? I installed it once and it worked fine ...
19:48 < dexter> I have beta 6
19:48 < tcr> Yes. it cannot execute /bin/sh, that could be permission problems, or generally that /bin/sh can't be found (due to missing mount for example)
19:48 < Nebukadneza> dexter: and .. :)
19:49 < dexter> I did not read everything one moment please
19:49 < tcr> missing mount can be also related to network problems, indirectly
19:49 < tcr> Depends, really.
19:49 < Nebukadneza> i installed rocklinux 2.0.0 beta 6 desktop ... tryed to boot, and then it says while he usually starts the initscripts evrytime" cannot execute /bin/sh"
19:50 < dexter> I do not have that message
19:50 < rxr> dexter: did you installed the same -beta6 desktop build ?
19:51 < tcr> Nebukadneza: As said above, check for mount problems (probably you have to look at lilo.conf and/or fstab), or if it ain't that, take a look at the permission (for example by using a rescue system)
19:52 < tcr> Bootable rocklinux install cdroms can serve as such a rescue system, too.
19:52 < Nebukadneza> tcr: i can mount it from debian
19:52 < dexter> hmm I used ISO images oh I see I used the generic not desktop
19:52 * tcr off to friend
19:52 < Nebukadneza> i load it with the debian lilo too, but kernel and root parameters are set correct
19:54 < mnemoc> Nebukadneza: did you append root in devfs format?
19:54 < Nebukadneza> sek
19:54 < Nebukadneza> my entry
19:55 < Nebukadneza> image=/boot/vmlinuz-rock-2.4.21
19:55 < Nebukadneza> root=/dev/hda1
19:55 < Nebukadneza> read-only
19:55 < Nebukadneza> alias=3
19:55 < Nebukadneza> thats it
19:56 < mnemoc> append="root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1" <-- add that line
19:57 < Nebukadneza> i got lilo, not grub
19:57 < Nebukadneza> and debian dont have devfs ... /dev/hda1 is the partition for rock
19:57 < Nebukadneza> but okay
19:57 < mnemoc> the append is send to rock's kernel at boot time
19:57 < Nebukadneza> oki
19:58 < Nebukadneza> but the root= is okay
19:59 < mnemoc> root is ok for lilo, but not for kernel
19:59 < Nebukadneza> oki
20:00 * fake away for some party
20:00 < Nebukadneza> i have to reboot
20:00 < Nebukadneza> brb
20:00 < Nebukadneza> (but i see ... /bin/sh doesnt exist)
20:00 < mnemoc> have i good time fake
20:01 < mnemoc> mmmm
20:01 < mnemoc> does /var/adm/packages/bash exist?
20:01 < Nebukadneza> brb
20:01 < fake> mnemoc: thanks ;)
20:02 < mnemoc> :)
20:02 < fake> tomorrow i want to write the festival speech output plugin for rock *g*
20:02 < Nebukadneza> no
20:02 < mnemoc> hehe
20:02 < mnemoc> does /var/adm/packages exist?
20:02 < fake> . o O ( maybe i shouldn't drink too much tonight, then... aw... bad idea. )
20:02 < fake> bye!
20:03 < Nebukadneza> jep
20:03 < mnemoc> mm... so you didn't installed bash :(
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20:03 < mnemoc> use 'mine' tool to install bash-2.05b.gem
20:03 < Nebukadneza> mnemoc: i left it standart for workstation ... is it possible, that bash isnt install
20:04 < christ|an> re
20:04 < Nebukadneza> mine?
20:04 < Nebukadneza> okay
20:04 < Nebukadneza> from beginning
20:04 < esden> hi christ|an 
20:04 < Nebukadneza> i start from cd .. etc. then i start stone
20:04 < christ|an> hi esden
20:04 < Nebukadneza> mount root to / and aktivate swap
20:04 < Nebukadneza> then start to install software
20:04 < Nebukadneza> and it is okay
20:04 < christ|an> esden: where are you at the moment - munic?
20:05 < Nebukadneza> r u from germany?
20:05 < mnemoc> rxr: mount root to / <--- is that right? or have to be mounted to /mnt/target?
20:05 < christ|an> Nebukadneza: me?
20:05 < Nebukadneza> öö jep
20:05 < christ|an> Nebukadneza: yes - why?
20:06 < Nebukadneza> me too
20:06 < christ|an> :)
20:06 < christ|an> and i will start a query :)
20:06 < Nebukadneza> is here anywhere a rocklinux de chan?
20:07 < mnemoc> almost everybody here is german
20:07 < esden> christ|an: no I am currently in ingolstadt. why?
20:07 < Nebukadneza> mnemoc: really?
20:07 < Nebukadneza> anyone here who was on the rocklinux ööö stand @ linuxtag?
20:08 < christ|an> esden: well it was only a little small talks question
20:08 < christ|an> -s
20:08 < esden> Nebukadneza: is german or living in germany ... like me ... I am not german but I live in in the german country ;-)
20:08 < esden> christ|an: hehe ;-) ... small talk question accepted ;-)
20:09 < christ|an> esden: you react like a nice c++ programm :)
20:09 < mnemoc> esden: accepted? :(
20:09 < christ|an> very fast :)
20:10 < esden> hehe ... ;-) ... I would really say that my reaction tyme is more like a nasty written java program ;-)
20:10 < mnemoc> i guess i'm the onlyone currently here who doesn't speak german :(
20:11 * -> esden will be killed by fake in some moments
20:11 < Nebukadneza> löl
20:11 < christ|an> esden: no no :) hehe well nevermind :)
20:11 < esden> christ|an: ???
20:12 < esden> autsh ... my foot is aking ...
20:12 < christ|an> is more like a nasty written java progra ->  no no :) hehe well nevermind :)
20:12 < esden> the dancing today killed it ... >_<
20:12 < esden> and I go in some hours to a disco ... and tomorrow I have dance exam >_<
20:12 < esden> argh
20:12 < esden> if I survive till monday that will be a miracle
20:13 < mnemoc> esden: what are your learning to dance?
20:13 < christ|an> with your reaction like a c++ application you will survive esden
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20:14 < esden> mnemoc: rumba, chacha, samba, jive, tango, watlz (or how it is spelled in engish), quickstep 
20:14 < esden> christ|an: thanks ... ;-/
20:15 < mnemoc> tango is not safe for back :(
20:15 < christ|an> esden: what is it for an exam?
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20:16 < esden> it is an exam that takes place after every course you make ... so after bonze course there is bronze exam ... after silver, silver exam and so on
20:16 < esden> I am doing the gold exam ...
20:16 < esden> it is only there so that people pay ;-)
20:16 < n00kie_> Thenn good luck, esden :)
20:16 < n00kie_> then*
20:17 < christ|an> esden: i press all fingers for you i have :) *g
20:17 < esden> thanks guys
20:17 < n00kie_> Your 11th finger too, christ|an? ;-)
20:18 < esden> n00kie_: tztztz
20:18 < n00kie_> esden: :)
20:18 < christ|an> well  - i live near an "akw" - i have got two brains :)
20:18 < rxr> re
20:18 < n00kie_> wb rxr
20:19 < n00kie_> akw = aps in english?
20:19 < n00kie_> atom power station
20:19 < n00kie_> Just guessing
20:19 < christ|an> yes
20:19 < christ|an> :)
20:19 < christ|an> n00kie_: you know - my english [...]
20:20 < esden> hi rxr 
20:20 < esden> ok .. I go for a shower
20:21 < esden> cu guys ... I will be back tonight ... or some time tomorrow ;-)
20:21 < n00kie_> Have fun, esden :)
20:21 < esden> if I survived everything I still have in front of me ;-)
20:21 < esden> n00kie_: I will I will ;-)
20:21 < esden> girls hide ... esden is coming !!! ;-)
20:25 < christ|an> lol
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20:37 < mnemoc> does Download generate bz2 from src.rpm?
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20:41 < esden> christ|an: do not lough ... I am really very eager to know how many phone numbers I will collect tonight ;-)
20:41 < esden> or other things ;-)
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20:41 < christ|an> esden: i only say: hf
20:44 < esden> hf???
20:46 < christ|an> have fun :)
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20:46 < laborratte> esden: poser *kick*
20:46 < laborratte> hi btw...
20:47 < esden> laborratte: o_O
20:47 < esden> hi owl ...
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20:48 < laborratte> esden: ? (sorry... owl is still used... and my connection is "ueberlastet"... with downloading...)
20:50 < esden> owl: nice ... 
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21:24 < christ|an> esden: query
21:31 < rxr> hm - gsmp http traffic so far:
21:31 < rxr> 123.79 GB
21:31 < rxr> (this months ...)
21:32 < mnemoc> rxr: can you update the snapshot of the website?
21:32 < rxr> -s
21:32 < rxr> which snapshot on what website ?
21:32 < mnemoc> www.rocklinux.org/package is to old
21:32 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
21:33 < mnemoc> May 25 20:1  1120k
21:33 < mnemoc> and http://www.rocklinux.org/packages/ claim to be generated from there
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - in the works
21:36 < mnemoc> thanks :)
21:36 < Mike1> :)
21:37 < christ|an> MIKE
21:37 < mnemoc> hi Mike1
21:38 < Mike1> hi all
21:38 < Mike1> mnemoc: como andas
21:38 < Mike1> ?
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21:38 < mnemoc> pretty good, and you?
21:39 < Mike1> mnemoc: igual gracias. :)
21:43 < mnemoc> does Download creates a .bz2 from rpms?
21:43 < daja77> re
21:43 < mnemoc> hi daja77
21:44 < daja77> hi mnemoc
21:47 < Mike1> mnemoc: do not think so
21:47 < Mike1> mnemoc: is it an srpm ?
21:47 < daja77> hi Mike1
21:47 < mnemoc> src.rpm
21:47 < Mike1> hello daja77
21:47 < mnemoc> perl modules i shoed you are only packages as .src.rpm
21:47 < Mike1> mnemoc: maybe you could provide a patch to improve this in Download
21:48 < Mike1> or keep a tarball on another host
21:48 < mnemoc> i prefer to improve Download...
21:49 < Mike1> mnemoc: ie for download to be able to process ur perl-modules packages you will first need to 'rpm2cpio perl-modules.src.rpm | cpio -i"
21:49 < daja77> wtf we need src.rpms?
21:49 < Mike1> daja77: i'm trying to help mnemoc on something
21:50 < Mike1> daja77: apereantly he needs a package which is only available on srpm
21:50 < mnemoc> yes :( ... poor mnemoc
21:50 < daja77> *argl* people who only offer srpms should be shot
21:51 < Mike1> hehe yes indeed
21:51 < mnemoc> the package itself is tar.gz, but it had a set of perl-modules only available as .rpm :(
21:51 < daja77> sounds like crap ...
21:52 < Mike1> mnemoc: still it is easy to handle such stuff
21:52 * Mike1 have been "converting" several srpms in the past days to .deb packages
21:52 < mnemoc> Mike1: do you want to do the patch? ;)
21:52 < daja77> Mike1: haha
21:52 < mnemoc> ok... i'll wait for your patch.. thanks :)
21:52 < Mike1> mnemoc: i would love to do it, but i currently have several things to do so it will take several days
21:53 < mnemoc> :(
21:53 < Mike1> mnemoc: but hey! we have "alien" between our packages, use it
21:54 < Mike1> mnemoc: ever tried it?
21:54 < mnemoc> i can't force ppl to have alien on their pre-rock systems :(
21:54 < Mike1> well..
21:54 < Mike1> mnemoc: we need to think of a good solution
21:54 < mnemoc> mmmm.... dunno.... "people who only offer srpms should be shot"
21:54 < daja77> exactly
21:55 < Mike1> yes also people trying to include rpms to rock shouyld be shot
21:55 < Mike1> right daja77?
21:55 * Mike1 stares at mnemoc with an evil grin
21:55 < daja77> depends
21:56 < owl> *g*
21:56 < Mike1> damn it, can't you just support me to tease mnemoc?
21:56 < Mike1> :)
21:56 < daja77> hehehe
21:56 < owl> hi Mike1
21:56 < daja77> shoot them!
21:56 < Mike1> hi Sandra "Eule" Dismar.
21:57 < daja77> :)
21:57 * Mike1 getting a cup of coffee
21:57 * mnemoc hidden
21:57 < mnemoc> i'll mail them...
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21:58 < commel> servus
21:58 < daja77> hi commel
21:58 < daja77> :)
21:58 < commel> man, man, man alles dreht sich um rocklinux ;)
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21:59 < daja77> export LANG=EN please
21:59 < commel> ok
21:59 < daja77> but you are right anyway
21:59 < laborratte> rehi
21:59 < commel> its all about rl
22:00 < commel> hi owl
22:00 < mnemoc> daja77: what did he said? :(
22:00 < commel> mnemoc: i just translated it below
22:00 < daja77> rl = rocklinux in that case
22:01 < mnemoc> oh... ic
22:01 < commel> who of you guys had been to lt2003?
22:01 * daja77 
22:01 * christ|an :)
22:02 < daja77> rxr, clifford, fake, ripclaw
22:02 < daja77> tibit as visitor
22:02 < commel> sweet
22:02 < daja77> praenti as visitor
22:02 < commel> your combination of the table i liked
22:03 < daja77> it was clifford's idea
22:03 < commel> regards to him
22:03 < mnemoc> wtf r u talikng about?
22:03 < commel> perhaps we want to use the idea for urselves
22:03 < commel> is it GPLed? ;)
22:03 < daja77> hehe dunno
22:03 < daja77> mnemoc: linuxtag
22:04 < mnemoc> i got that part...
22:04 < mnemoc> what table's combination?
22:04 < commel> mnemoc: the put the tables to a triangle
22:04 < commel> +y
22:04 < daja77> at our booth
22:04 < mnemoc> pics?
22:04 < mnemoc> does anybody have pics of rl@lt?
22:04 < daja77> only one
22:05 < mnemoc> who?
22:06 < daja77> http://ihsan.dogan.ch/symlink/LinuxTag-2k3/Donnerstag/1dsc00042.jpg
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22:07 < mnemoc> o_O looks quite bored :(
22:07 < daja77> well on thursday nothing much happened
22:07 < rxr> re
22:08 < daja77> it is not a very photo, but I don't have links to other rock related ...
22:08 < daja77> s/very/very good/
22:08 < rxr> mnemoc: when clifford has time to config (hopefully tomorrow) the content will be pulled from the sources I just set up ...
22:10 < rxr> daja77: rtai merge ?
22:10 < daja77> not this week, have to learn for exams, so I do not work
22:11 < laborratte> hi rxr
22:11 < daja77> I just started a build before I left ...
22:11 < rxr> hi laborratte
22:11 < mnemoc> daja77: who is giving it's back on the picture?
22:11 < daja77> this is philipp, a guy from clifford's company
22:12 < daja77> rxr: but we can do this next monday
22:14 < daja77> btw http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=364
22:18 < mnemoc> where is fontconfig?
22:18 < mnemoc> xf86?
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22:20 < Nebukadneza> rehi
22:20 < laborratte> hi Nebukadneza
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22:29 < daja77> n8 you all
22:30 < Nebukadneza> hi laborratte
22:30 < laborratte> gn8 daja77
22:33 < rxr> cu daja77
22:33 < Nebukadneza> guts näschtlä (cya
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23:11 < holyolli> moin
23:11 < Mike1> holyolli: !
23:11 < Mike1> holyolli: i read ur mail :((
23:11 < holyolli> mike!!! nice to see you!
23:11 < Mike1> holy is nice to see you too
23:11 < holyolli> mike: i'm really sorry for that
23:12 < mnemoc> Mike1: they are normal cpan's modules ;)
23:12 < Mike1> holyolli: its ok, i understand the cituation
23:12 < Mike1> mnemoc: hehe :)
23:12 < holyolli> mike: btw. /me has cpl-ifr-check on montay...! ;-)
23:12 < Mike1> mnemoc: te perdonare la vida entonces :P
23:12 < mnemoc> doh :( ..... i'll add perl-xml as a pkg
23:12 < Mike1> holyolli: pretty cool!!! i wish you the best of the lucks :)
23:13 < holyolli> mike: it will be ok - the checks before that one are much more harder ;-)
23:13 < holyolli> mike: thx
23:13 < holyolli> mike: it's a known route, 2 approaches and some airwork... piece of cake ;-))
23:13 < Mike1> holyolli: good to know, anyways don't forget to behave ur self the day before the check alcoholy
23:14 < Mike1> sounds pretty simple indeed :)
23:14 < holyolli> *g* /* no comment */
23:14 < Mike1> :P
23:14 < holyolli> mike: after the check, we'll probably have a big party...it's also the very last check here in the us
23:15 < Mike1> oh so you are going back to deutschland?
23:16 < holyolli> mike: probably 02. of august
23:16 < Mike1> oh :(
23:19 < holyolli> mike: but it doesn't matter if i'm in germany or in the us when i visit you. (the prices aren't that much different)
23:20 < Mike1> ah okis
23:23 < n00kie__> Hola Mike :))
23:23 < Mike1> hola n00kie__
23:23 < n00kie__> How are you? :)
23:24 < Mike1> good thanks and you >?
23:24 < n00kie__> Fine, thanks :)
23:25 < mnemoc> could be nice to get statistics like which % of the likes written on the channel are 'greetings'
23:25 < mnemoc> s/likes/lines/
23:25 < Mike1> greetings
23:25 < Mike1> greetings
23:25 < Mike1> greetings
23:25 < Mike1> greetings
23:25 < Mike1> :PP
23:25 < Mike1> anyways its time for me to leave
23:25 < Mike1> cu all on monday
23:26 < mnemoc> happy weekend
23:27 < holyolli> cu mike
23:28 < n00kie__> bye mike :)
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23:41 < mnemoc> what do i need installed to do a tar xZf
23:41 < mnemoc> ?
23:42 < mnemoc> tar (child): Cannot exec compress: No such file or directory
23:43 < tfing> you need compress
23:43 < tfing> the ncompress package
23:43 < mnemoc> doh :-\ i though 'compress' was a gfeneric name given by tar to compressors :(
23:43 < mnemoc> thanks
23:43 < tfing> nope ;)
23:44 < tfing> it's the old unix compressor
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