--- Log opened Mon Jul 21 00:00:41 2003
--- Day changed Mon Jul 21 2003
00:00 < LocalHero> rxr, what about the "info" file thing. Should we drop that?
00:01 < rxr> nope I can add it to each release dir - you just define the tag format - and I'll fill it for each dir ...
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00:03 < LocalHero> rxr, oki, sound nice. I wrote a mail some weeks ago. What did you think about those tags? Do we need more or should we skip some?
00:04 < rxr> LocalHero: puh - I do not really remeber what was in it ...
00:04 < LocalHero> rxr, the new box will have lightning speed compared to the old one. I got a intel celeron 300 oc to 450 with 192 of memory :)
00:05 < LocalHero> rxr, and the bx chipset will realy speed up disk io compared to the other one
00:05 < rxr> but it just comes to mind that we need a file per file-set - not per directory
00:05 < LocalHero> rxr, oki, why, isnt one dir a release with several isos?
00:05 < rxr> like the desktop dir will have drock-$ver-ppx.* and drock-$ver-x86.* ...
00:06 < rxr> LocalHero: to group them
00:06 < rxr> we will have 2.0.0-rc1 as dir
00:06 < rxr> and it in minimal router generic desktop ...
00:07 < rxr> as dir - and in each of them a file-set for each architecture we build for ... (currently x86 and ppc for some - and soon sparcm, too)
00:07 < SMP> ahhh rxr
00:07 < rxr> ideally we could also have alpha, ia64 as well as x86_64
00:07 < LocalHero> rxr, hmm, oki, but if i scan for lets say files that starts with info_whatever.txt you could add several of those files with whatever name you like
00:08 < SMP> who worked on x86_64?
00:08 < LocalHero> like this info_ppc.txt
00:08 < rxr> SMP: clifford just added some strings - but not real work yet ...
00:08 < rxr> SMP: do you have hardware ?
00:08 < LocalHero> rxr, and in that file we keep the information about what files it contain...
00:08 < rxr> LocalHero: then let's name the files *.info
00:08 * SMP hopes to get an Athlon64 in autumn
00:08 < LocalHero> rxr, i will write an RFC for it :)
00:08 < LocalHero> rxr,, oki :)
00:08 < rxr> then I can name them with the same prefix
00:08 < rxr> as the file-set
00:09 < LocalHero> rxr, oki. Sounds great
00:09 < rxr> SMP: I already spoke with AMD some times - no sponsoring yet
00:09 < LocalHero> rxr, but i will check it out tomorrow and we will speak and fix the details then :).. Im to tiered now :).. And my girlfriend wants some attention to :)
00:10 < rxr> but I still have a new open mail address from the LinuxTag talk with them
00:10 < rxr> LocalHero: greating and much fun!
00:10 < rxr> I need to go to bed, too
00:10 < SMP> wait a second! ;)
00:10 < rxr> and I got a big bunch of 2.0 TODO during the tea-meating ...
00:11 < rxr> SMP: sure some minutes are ok ...
00:11 < SMP> do you remember why the guppi package was never accepted?
00:11 < LocalHero> oki, night
00:11 < LocalHero> cya
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00:12 < rxr> SMP: isn't that some GNOME diagram drawing package ?
00:12 < SMP> yep
00:12 < SMP> I have one in my package/gnome14/ right now ...
00:12 < rxr> I think we once had it  - but it got removed because either uneeded or borken ...
00:13 < SMP> well, gnucash needs it
00:13 < rxr> if you need it for s.th. (gnumeric?) - and it compiles send it over ;-)
00:13 < SMP> ok, and can we mv package/gnome2/libghttp10 package/gnome14 ?
00:13 < SMP> it's really a gnome1 pacakge
00:14 < SMP> the only package that needs it is your anjuta
00:15 < SMP> which is also a gnome1 package AFAICS
00:16 < SMP> (gnucash needs it, too, but it needs hacking if it's not in /opt/gnome)
00:17 < rxr> SMP: ok - both done
00:18 < SMP> cool, I'll test anjuta against it (the latest 5-anjuta.log doesn't even mention ghttp ...)
00:19 < SMP> and send the diff for package/gnome14/guppi
00:19 < rxr> SMP: ok
00:19 < rxr> I'm off to bed
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00:19 < jsaw> re
00:19 < rxr> hi jsaw
00:19 < jsaw> hi rxr.
00:20 < SMP> n8 rxr
00:20 < rxr> cool - I have a rockplug bug I can pass over to you ;-)!
00:20 < rxr> *freu*
00:20 < rxr> it is for version 0.0.3 - but I guess the usb module mapping code has not changed much ?
00:20 < jsaw> nope
00:21 < rxr> the usb device:
00:21 < rxr> DEVICE="/proc/bus/usb/001/002" PRODUCT="5cc/2265/101" TYPE="2/0/0" INTERFACE="255/255/255"
00:21 < jsaw> go on here...
00:21 < rxr> should be associated with the acm driver
00:21 < rxr> it is with hwscan - but rockplug does not match this
00:21 < jsaw> wait, scanning...
00:22 < rxr> the usb.map only contains one line for the acm driver
00:22 < rxr> which is not the same product or vender - it must be matched using the class type whatever ...
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00:26 < rxr> jsaw: I wanna leave for bed - that is all info I gather when I was over to friends some hours ago ....
00:26 < jsaw> rxr: other question: coding style?
00:26 < rxr> jsaw: what do you mean exactly
00:26 < rxr> ROCK Linux standard
00:27 < rxr> not too long lines .... (I already indented some weeks ago ..)
00:27 < jsaw> K. Gonna look out for that.
00:27 < rxr> jsaw: what aspeect of coding style do you mean?
00:28 < jsaw> rxr: I meant indentation. tabs, or?
00:29 < rxr> as in ROCK - normally tabs - if you have too many "scopes" two spaces are also ok to not fill the 80 col that quickly ...
00:29 < rxr> jsaw: are you going to finalize the latest rework in the next days ?
00:29 < jsaw> rxr: so, I'd prefer 2 space, there are a lot of lines which are not easy to break.
00:29 < jsaw> rxr: I'll try to finish tonight.
00:31 < rxr> jsaw: then use two spaces for the matching functions - and/or for all ...
00:31 < rxr> jsaw: that would be nice - I wanna have the final rock plug style finished mid next week + network working ...
00:31 < rxr> but now I need sleep
00:31 < rxr> cu all
00:31 < jsaw> cu rxr.
00:36 < SMP> W T F
00:39 < jsaw> ?
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00:53 * A-Tui is away: si el amor es posesión, yo soy capitán de un globo, es mejor la soledad q no andar haciendo el bobo
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04:04 < d3mian> hi
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04:34 < knoti> .hi
04:38 < d3mian> cy
04:38 < d3mian> http://hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/finca/
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05:18 < rolla> re
05:26 < mnemoc> hi rolla
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06:41 < mistik1> anyone alive?
06:42 < SMP> sure
06:45 < mnemoc> why not? ;)
06:45 < mistik1> heh
06:46 < mistik1> I have my little test box built and booted however it looks like I need to do the build on this box then transfer it to the new one
06:46 < mistik1> am I correct in this?
06:47 < SMP> I have not idea what test box and new box are and what you want to achieve
06:47 < SMP> s,not,no, d'oh
06:50 < mistik1> the test box has nothing on the hard disk
06:50 < mistik1> this is a running linux machine
06:52 < SMP> I still don't get it, but that could just be my fault due to ENOSLEEP
06:54 < mistik1> let me try another route
06:54 < mistik1> How do I get started now that I have a machine ready for it
06:55 < SMP> what is 'it'?
07:01 < mnemoc> do you want to install rock in your empty box?
07:02 < mnemoc> you need to install it a linux with devfs... e.g. rocklinux-minimal
07:02 < mnemoc> from iso
07:05 < mnemoc> but it can be redhat, debian, any linux you can install.. of course the shortest path to rock is rock.
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07:24 < blindcoder> moin
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07:37 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder
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08:13 < daja77> moin
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08:16 < blindcod1r> NO, that was a manual reconnect!!
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08:55 < rxr> re
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09:04 < blindcoder> moin rxr
09:05 < rxr> moin blindcoder
09:09 * blindcoder updating from 690 to HEAD... should have don' that long ago..
09:15 < owl> *gnarf*
09:15 < owl> hi
09:16 < blindcoder> GUH-narf
09:16 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:16 < owl> hi blindy.
09:17 < owl> attention please. i'm in a mood i'm giving everybody poison or so
09:18 < blindcoder> oh, can't harm me today
09:18 < owl> why?
09:18 < blindcoder> Because on a scale of 1 to 100 where 100 is best my mood is between 85 and 90
09:19 < owl> omg. which drugs did you take? want some of those, too, please
09:19 < blindcoder> hmm... the drug is called "Brigitte" :-)
09:20 < daja77> hehe I have such a drug too ...
09:20 < owl> wah. bah. *puke* won't this drug
09:21 < blindcoder> well, not completely "mine" yet, but I'm working on it ^^
09:21 < owl> daja77: hi . which one?
09:21 < owl> blindcoder: yeah... if this is something what makes you happy - well. good for you.
09:21 < blindcoder> owl, come on... don't puke into #rocklinux... who do you think will clean up this mess now, hm?
09:21 < daja77> blindcoder: yes you could describe it this way ;-)
09:21 < owl> blindcoder: you of course
09:21 < blindcoder> always me...
09:22 * blindcoder presses on a red button marked "Auto-Clean" and #rocklinux starts cleaning itself
09:22 < owl> tststs
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09:23 < owl> daja77: ah. i c. so Freak and you are together now.... i c.
09:23 < daja77> nope :P
09:24 < daja77> anyway I'm off to meet her ...
09:24 < owl> aha. have fun
09:24 < daja77> thx
09:24 < rxr> hi daja77  and owl
09:24 < daja77> huhu rxr
09:25 < owl> hi rxr *waves*
09:27 < owl> yes, yes, yes! this o-reilly-book about fscking ado.net is great! i'm thanking my best friend for the not really leagal 188 mb of .pdfs he sent because my fscking company is not willed to investigate into books, but into managers.
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09:28 < owl> *gnarf* not again!
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09:28 < blindy> hmm...
09:28 < blindy> strange
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09:30 < blindy> well, http, ftp works fine
09:30 < blindy> ssh also works up to the point where the console should appear...
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09:50 < owl> real-time-clock?
09:50 < owl> hi rtc
09:50 < rtc> robert theodor chandler ;)
09:50 < rtc> hallo
09:50 < owl> *lol* a bit wrong, my guess... :p
09:50 < rtc> german speakers here?
09:51 < rtc> owl: ;)
09:51 < owl> yes. german. here.
09:51 < rtc> hab ne frage - hab drock 2.0.0-b6 mit den 3 binary-cds installiert
09:52 < n00kie> Congrats :)
09:52 < n00kie> Now you're a Rocker :)
09:52 < owl> rtc: please ask your question in english...
09:52 < DeElsasser> and Roller?
09:52 < rtc> bringt mir beim ersten boot mit kernel vmlinuz_2.4.21-rock die meldung: "cannot exec /bin/sh" - weil: die datei gibts nicht... ist das normal?
09:53 < owl> k.a. ob's bei der release normal ist... sollte aber nicht so sein
09:53 < rtc> ok, as is: at first boot with kernel vmlinuz_2.4.21-rock the error occurs: "cannot exec /bin/sh" - bacause the file isn't found - is this normal?
09:53 < rtc> crazy ;)
09:53 < n00kie> hmm
09:53 < owl> you don't get a login-prompt, do you?
09:53 < blindy> hmm
09:54 < rtc> have copied the sh and bash from debian and now it's running
09:54 < rtc> no, i dont
09:54 < owl> sure. /bin/sh is just a symlink to /bin/bash
09:54 < rtc> k
09:54 < owl> so... symlinking would have been easier :p
09:54 < rtc> no i get a maintenance login - why only maintenance?
09:54 < owl> ext2?
09:55 < rtc> owl: you're right of course ;)
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09:55 < rtc> but there wasn't a /bin/bash too!
09:55 < blindy> rtc: maintenance console is only the name we gave to vc/1
09:55 < rtc> oh, ok thx
09:55 < blindy> no /bin/bash? that's... not good...
09:55 < rtc> i know
09:55 < blindy> are you on the machine right now?
09:55 < owl> rtc: did you select it, in the stone-menu...?
09:55 < rtc> have copied it from debian
09:56 < rtc> yes, i've selected all packages!
09:56 < blindy> rtc: are you logged into that machine right now?
09:56 < rtc> for the first time
09:56 < owl> strange...
09:56 < rtc> no, i'm not
09:56 < blindy> can you access it?
09:56 < rtc> not yet, have to go in 3 minutes, but i will come back
09:56 < blindy> and do: ls -l /var/adm/logs/*bash*
09:57 < blindy> oh, okay.
09:57 < rtc> at login there comes a error: "libpam*.so.o" - file not found
09:57 < rtc> have symlinked it
09:57 < rtc> and now i can log in
09:58 < owl> fsck... that's also not good
09:58 < rtc> but the problem with not found bash is strange, i think
09:58 < rxr> yes
09:58 < rxr> you installed desktop -beta6 ?
09:58 < rtc> yes, of course
09:58 < SMP> heh
09:58 < rxr> I need to check if the uploaded image has the same md5 as my local one here
09:58 < rtc> hm...
09:59 < rxr> I installed the -beta6 three times without problems and other people have also already complained about a missing bash ...
09:59 < rxr> needs an investigation ...
09:59 < rxr> hi SMP
09:59 < rtc> i think so
09:59 < blindy> hi SMP
09:59 < SMP> rxr: what's the std. way to handle a package with 2 srctar, where the 2nd one needs different $makeopt etc. ?
09:59 < owl> hi SMP
09:59 < rtc> ok, i'm going down for the moment - thx at all for this time
09:59 < rtc> bye
09:59 < blindy> load average: 33.67, 30.96, 24.49
09:59 < blindy> hrm... that's also not good ^^
10:00 < blindy> bye rtc
10:00 * SMP converting Rock/TODO into package/stefanp/ ...
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10:00 < owl> wtf are you doing , blindy ?
10:00 < blindy> well...
10:00 < blindy> I have my rock-src on an encrypted disk
10:00 < rxr> SMP: s.th. like kasc/openh323 ?
10:00 < blindy> did a ./scripts/Cleanup -full
10:00 < owl> (and removes rock-src?)
10:01 < blindy> and then cp -r rock-1.7-bc rock-2.0-bc to update from rev 690 to HEAD
10:01 < SMP> rxr: yah, that's not soooo good
10:01 < blindy> unfortunately I forgot that there is that small dir callod "download"
10:01 < SMP> rxr: we need a better interface in 2.1 ;)
10:02 < blindy> and now the cp is in state D and the load skyrocketed
10:02 < owl> hmm
10:03 < blindy> hmhm
10:03 < owl> ...
10:03 < blindy> load is still rising >_<
10:04 < owl> well, enjoy it.
10:04 < blindy> thanks >_<
10:04 < owl> yrw
10:05 < owl> *sigh* my machine is too slow
10:09 < rxr> are those singapour guys all crazy these days?
10:09 < blindy> why?
10:10 < rxr> after jocelyn quite read chris mail on the list ...
10:10 < blindy> I currently can't access the ML since my machine at home won't let me onto /home ...
10:11 < rxr> you could read the archive in some minutes ....
10:12 < blindy> ok
10:13 < rxr> he seems to be heavily upset just because I said that www2 is nto the master server - and the content is ok on the master server ....
10:13 < rxr> now he would like to turn the box off ...
10:13 < blindy> hrm???
10:14 < blindy> well, now is one of the rare occassions that I'm speechless...
10:15 < rxr> seems that those folks are runnin amok - because there company is not running smoothly ?
10:23 < n00kie> Hmm
10:23 < n00kie> I didn't got the first mail of chris..
10:27 < owl> =[9]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21 2.0.0
10:28 < owl> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. stupid mouse. sorry
10:28 < rxr> maybe it is not on the list and it bouned?
10:29 < rxr> n00kie: you mean the mail I replied to, don't you?
10:30 < n00kie> Nope, I don't got the mail
10:30 < n00kie> The last mail I got is, where chris said how pissed he is...
10:32 < rxr> the initial mail was from another person
10:32 < rxr> Jess Balint <dollz [rock-linux] Broken Links on Web Site
10:34 < n00kie> I mean that mail:"I have no clue why you think I could fix it.  All the
10:34 < n00kie> server does is rsync.  Not much I can do from my end. I would be happy to
10:34 < n00kie> turn off the mirror at your
10:34 < n00kie> request Rene."
10:35 < n00kie> err
10:36 < n00kie> I just read the line you wrote above me
10:36 < n00kie> It was my mistake, yeah, the mail you replied
10:36 < n00kie> <- Needs sleep ;)
10:36 < n00kie> I guess, it's an "private" mail, isn't it?
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10:37 < alexander> Hi all
10:37 < owl> hi alexander
10:37 < alexander> owl, whatz up?
10:38 < owl> hm. nothing. and at your site?
10:38 < alexander> owl, im setting up a new iso server :)..
10:38 < n00kie> Hi alexander
10:38 < alexander> n00kie, hi :)
10:38 < n00kie> How are you? :)
10:38 < alexander> n00kie, fine thnx, and you?
10:39 < n00kie> Fine too, but a bit tired
10:40 < alexander> hmm, what ftp software is the best to run?
10:41 < DeElsasser> hi all
10:42 < rxr> alexander: I use vsftpd
10:42 < DeElsasser> little question: apparently mozilla don't build whit pentium4 optimization
10:42 < alexander> rxr, is it good, i used proftpd but i dont think that they are to great and they dont seams to have any good documentation
10:43 < DeElsasser> how optimize mozilla pro pentiumpro but not the rest of my target?
10:43 < alexander> rxr, i will try vsftpd then :)
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10:45 < d3mian> hi
10:46 < owl> hi d3mian
10:46 < d3mian> !! owl
10:47 < DeElsasser> rxr: do you know what about pentium4 and mozilla?
10:47 < alexander> hmm
10:47 < rxr> DeElsasser: how does it stop to build? gcc ICE ?
10:49 < DeElsasser> rxr: i'm not at home, but i found somethink like at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mozilla/2003-June/000028.html
10:51 < rxr> hm - gcc bug
10:51 < DeElsasser> :-(
10:53 < alexander> hmm sysdeputil.o(.text+0x37e): In function `do_checkcap':
10:53 < alexander> : undefined reference to `cap_get_proc'
10:53 < alexander> whatz that?
10:53 < rxr> which package ?
10:53 < alexander> when trying to compile vsftpd :)
10:53 < SMP> probably needs libcap
10:56 < alexander> SMP, hmm, oki. Will check, i have libpcap installed but that might not be the same?
10:56 < SMP> something completely different
10:57 * blindy --> lunch
10:58 < alexander> dahh, doesnt work
10:59 < DeElsasser> rxr: if I try to build my target with gcc33, could it work?
11:01 < rxr> DeElsasser: I do not know how much gcc33 already compiles
11:02 < rxr> it might fix many mis-compilications but might also fail on trical errors due to gcc33 got some cleanups due to deprecated "features"
11:02 < rxr> but you could enable gcc33 and only compile mozilla with it
11:02 < rxr> and see if this works ...
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11:07 < alexander> got to eat breakfast, cya
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11:11 < SMP> w00t, cool, Japanese and Chinese input translations in the new mined
11:13 < DeElsasser> rxr: it seems there is a patch (end of this page) http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=7630
11:16 < DeElsasser> but I don't understand what is to do
11:18 < rxr> DeElsasser: I do not see the patch - seems to be only a notice that it is fixed in CVS ...
11:19 < d3mian> hehe
11:19 < d3mian> good night
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11:22 < fake_> rxr: is there a reason why alsa-xmms isn't applied, or did you just forget the applied-mail once again ? ;)
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11:24 < rxr> oeh - I applied it ....
11:24 * rxr moment
11:26 < DeElsasser> hi fake
11:27 < fake> rxr: rxr: ja ok, ich nehm's zurueck ;)
11:27 < fake> it's in svn.
11:27 < rxr> fake: yes - mail sent
11:27 < fake> forget the mail,
11:27 < fake> oh, ok, ;)
11:27 < rxr> I guess I need to automate the apply process ....
11:28 < fake> no, only not-applied-becauase-mails are important
11:28 < DeElsasser> rxr: have send a mail to gcc.gnu, will see what he say...
11:31 * blindy back
11:31 < blindy> wee, the load just whooshed by the 70-marker
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11:37 < rxr> uO: /dev/root has been mounted 1061 times without beeing checked ....
11:38 < rxr> new .cache files committed ...
11:38 < rxr> the RS/6000 is booting into 2.0-SVN
11:38 < owl> hm. *sigh* another-monster-package builds... :-/
11:39 < cytrinox> hi
11:39 < owl> hi DeElsasser
11:39 < owl> aaaaargh. cytrinox
11:40 < DeElsasser> hi owl: nobody to kill today?
11:43 < owl> DeElsasser: already almost killed a fat, stupid old woman in train, who eat a bred with sausages, which smelled extremely
11:44 < DeElsasser> lol
11:44 < owl> that's not funny. especially not, if you feel like you would puke because of this...
11:45 < cchamilt> rxr: What is with all this taunting and bitching anyway?
11:45 < fake> cchamilt: hi
11:46 < cchamilt> hi fake
11:47 < DeElsasser> see you later: will go to eat breds with sausages...
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11:50 < owl> DeElsasser: *kick*
11:50 < owl> (and "good appettite")
11:56 < rxr> cchamilt: what "taunting and bitching" ?
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12:01 < cchamilt> kindergarten, crazy, etc...
12:01 < blindy> cchamilt: hi
12:02 < rxr> well - this trolling is like being in a gindergarten
12:02 < cchamilt> you dont want me pissed at you right?
12:02 < cchamilt> hi blindy
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12:02 < cchamilt> so why aggrevate the situation?
12:03 < rxr> what else should I think about such comments to just saying "this is not the primary server - and the mirror might either be out of sync or whatever"
12:03 < cchamilt> huh?
12:04 < rxr> what huh?
12:04 < cchamilt> one is not direct of the other.
12:04 < rxr> who started such trolling ?
12:04 < cchamilt> we're having a misunderstanding and you declare the discussion is kindergarten.
12:05 < cchamilt> i told you i was pissed at you.
12:05 < rxr> but not by my words
12:05 < cchamilt> did i go on the list and say rene is a big ninny?
12:05 < rxr> just by your feeling or so ..
12:07 < cchamilt> yes, well it is naturally to lash out when people are angry with you.
12:07 < rxr> if you could write more plain english without slang I could even get the meaning of your writings here more cleanly ...
12:07 < cchamilt> but in a situation such as this one, i think emotions should be observed but not encouraged.
12:08 < rxr> where did I wrote that I'm angry with you ?
12:09 < cchamilt> no, but you retalliated by taunting me with 'kindergarten' and 'crazy'.
12:09 < fake> rxr: between the lines... you doin't have to write things word-by-word
12:09 < rxr> fake: what do you mean ?
12:10 < fake> rxr: i needed time to get used to it allot, you're a geek - you don't think about what people might feel when they read what you write.
12:11 < rxr> cchamilt: then do not write such stuff in the first place
12:11 < fake> rxr: no, it's your fault, but you think you didn't do anything wrong. that's teh problem
12:11 < cchamilt> So I should not tell you when I am angry with you?  I should ignore you?
12:11 < rxr> I have not read one technical line in your mails to the topic ...
12:12 < fake> rxr: you are not capable of formulating sentences in a way that makes you communication partner feel 'comfortable'
12:12 < fake> rxr: the message he got from you wasn't technical either
12:13 < cchamilt> your still on the offensive now
12:13 < fake> rxr: it was an insult, for people, who don't get along with your very technical and sense-cold way
12:13 < rxr> the first message was
12:13 < fake> rxr: but that is unimportant.
12:14 < rxr> the 2nd was, too
12:14 < fake> rxr: what you feel is more important what you know by reading anything, for most people
12:14 < fake> *than
12:15 < fake> rxr: you don't get it, do you?
12:15 < fake> (this is not an insult)
12:15 < rxr> fake: I know what you want to tell me - but I think it is simply not the case here
12:15 < fake> i mean you are pretty confused nopw
12:15 < rxr> fake: don't tell me my 2nd mail was not friendly ...
12:15 < rxr> fake: ahe?
12:16 < fake> rxr: do you know the asperger syndrome?
12:16 < rxr> and what responded chris to my 2nd friendly mail? Still elaborating about my writing ...
12:16 < rxr> fake: no
12:16 < fake> rxr: you are a candidate for a perfect example ;))
12:17 < fake> in other word's, you can't fix it, because for you, it's simply not there
12:17 < rxr> wow - how should I get anything about this syndrom out of your answer ....
12:17 < cchamilt> dont pick on him
12:17 < fake> i don't pick on him
12:18 < fake> i just try to tell both iof you that it's noones fault
12:18 < fake> rxr can't understand what upsets cchamilt
12:18 < cchamilt> rxr: you ask why i was upset in your 2nd mail.  so i told you...
12:18 < fake> cchamilt doesnt understand why rxr doesnt undestand... and so furth
12:18 < rxr> fake: if you could post a URL to this snydrom stuff I would be happy
12:18 < fake> it doesn't lead anywhere
12:19 < fake> rxr: i'll send you a mail
12:19 < fake> rxr: it's pretty common among geeks
12:19 < fake> ai'd put cchamilt on cc, but the text is german -_-
12:20 < rxr> you think you have it yourself - or why do you have the text and syndrom handy that fast ?
12:21 < rxr> cchamilt: where there also problems with the initial PR mail to Jocelyn - maybe you are that upset because of that?
12:23 < fake> rxr: i read through it, it's a pretty funny text someone sent me because of the same reason *g*
12:23 < cchamilt> Jocelyn has several mail accounts spread out so she didn't receive all your requests.
12:24 < cchamilt> We were watching you dicuss it on irc that night.
12:25 < daja77> the damn heat kills our brains ...
12:27 < cchamilt> We don't think the news list setup was a very good idea, and she really doesn't have that much time when not at work.
12:28 < cchamilt> So she quit after that...
12:28 < SMP> rxr: just for the record: all patches where I forgot to mention 'Tested.' are of course tested, too
12:29 < SMP> I should go to bed .. cu
12:29 < fake> SMP: yeah, i thought about adding it to ~/.signature
12:29 < fake> SMP: sleep well ;)
12:30 < cchamilt> Maybe news can be something better delegated and maybe have an announce mail list tied to it.
12:30 < SMP> have fun playing with mined - it really rocks ;)
12:30 < cchamilt> bye smp
12:32 < blindy> hmm... wasn't there a rock-announce mailinglist?
12:33 < rxr> cchamilt: which news list setup ?
12:33 < cchamilt> if there was, wouldn't it propagate to rock-linux?
12:34 < cchamilt> jocelyn rsyncs the news list down, changes it, syncs it, waits an hour for the cron job to see if it is correct, repeat....
12:34 < rxr> aside from that I already proposed more mailing-list often
12:35 < rxr> if is would have been that important maybe someone could have voted for it months ago ...
12:35 < rxr> and all my mail here where send to the same mail-address - maybe the one mail send from pace.de was to anohter - the one listed in the gallery ...
12:35 < blindy> http://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/: rock-announce The ROCK Linux low-traffic announcement list
12:36 < rxr> anyway - have a nice day ...
12:36 < cchamilt> it was supposed to be tied to news list, but i dont think it was.  Jocelyn knows more.
12:37 < cchamilt> ok rxr
12:37 < daja77> cu rxr
12:38 < cchamilt> i should go too.
12:39 < cchamilt> talk to you all later.
12:39 < daja77> cu cchamilt
12:50 < rxr> cchamilt: which "whatching the discussion on IRC that night" did yo mean?
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13:05 < owl> re
13:19 < jsaw> re
13:20 < jsaw> hi owl , u
13:20 < jsaw> I left u waiting for an answer...
13:21 < owl> ???
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13:29 < rxr> hi jsaw
13:30 < jsaw> hi rxr.
13:32 < jsaw> rxr: the usb thing was already fixed btw.
13:37 < blindy> owl: could you aswer me a single question?
13:40 < rxr> jsaw: nice
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14:12 < owl> blindy: which question?
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14:16 < owl> hi Nebukadneza
14:17 < blindy> owl: why can't womesnn give a straight and easy-to-understand answer like "yes" or "no"?
14:17 < Nebukadneza> hi
14:18 < owl> blindy: because they're human. man (at least the ones i'm knowing) are doing the same
14:18 < blindy> see also: http://www.compadre.de/pizzaessen.shtml (german)
14:18 < blindy> owl: well, if someone asks me if I go to tanzbar next sunday I answer with "yes" or "no"
14:19 < owl> yes. you...
14:19 < Nebukadneza> hmm?
14:19 < owl> Nebukadneza: ???
14:20 < blindy> of course. what's wrong with that?
14:20 < Nebukadneza> <blindy> see also: http://www.compadre.de/pizzaessen.shtml (german)  <--<-- hmm?
14:20 < blindy> brb
14:20 < owl> *headshake*
14:20 < Nebukadneza> löl
14:20 < Nebukadneza> christ|an: hi
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14:20 < owl> O_o
14:21 < blindy> brb... tel
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14:22 < owl> we don't have to understand your quitting and joining, have we?
14:24 < Nebukadneza> @me?
14:24 < owl> .oO( i'm feeling so bored. that's almost killing me...)
14:24 < owl> Nebukadneza: yes
14:25 < Nebukadneza> x crashed
14:25 < owl> ah. k.
14:27 < Nebukadneza> (fucking nvidia drivers)
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14:45 < owl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree:
14:45 < owl> 220 builds total, 150 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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14:52 < tcr> sounds like klingon
15:00 * blindy going home
15:00 * owl kicks blindy 
15:00 < owl> bye ;)
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15:19 < DeElsasser> owl: slurps, what a good sausage
15:19 < owl> DeElsasser: *kick* *kick* *kick*
15:19 < DeElsasser> mmm, encore
15:20 < owl> encore?
15:20 < DeElsasser> more
15:20 < owl> ah... k. *g*
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15:21 < owl> np: dimmu borgir - puritania *jumping up and down*
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15:22 < owl> Nebukadneza: what's wrong with your x?
15:23 < Nebukadneza> owl: this time it was my mousewheel ...
15:23 < Nebukadneza> i configured it an needed to restart x
15:23 < owl> ah so
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15:41 < rolla> re
15:42 < tcr> moin rolla
15:43 < rolla> hallo tcr
15:43 < daja77> hi rolla
15:43 < rolla> tcr have you have your ever heard of a net card being up but not wanting to send packets?
15:43 < owl> hi rolla
15:44 < daja77> yepp
15:45 < tcr> I haven't
15:45 < rolla> damn
15:45 < rolla> this card worked fine under 2.4.20
15:45 < daja77> well in my case I used a wrong netmask
15:45 < rolla> now under 2.4.21 suck
15:45 < rolla> daja77: I have the right netmask
15:45 < daja77> 2.4.21 is crap ack
15:46 < tcr> rolla: Did you check anything has been changed on the driver from .20 to .21?
15:48 < DeElsasser> hi daja77
15:48 < daja77> hi DeElsasser
15:49 < rolla> tcr nope
15:49 < daja77> okis got books from library, off again
15:49 < rolla> tcr I just noticed it when I loaded with the new rock install
15:50 < tcr> rolla: Drop 2.4 and go ahead to 2.6, how about that? ;)
15:54 < daja77> this idea causes headaches I guess
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15:54 < daja77> anyway now really off
15:54 < rtc> hello again
15:55 < owl> hi real time clock ;p (SCNR)
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15:55 < rtc> *gr*
15:55 < rtc> ;)
15:55 < rtc> do you remember my bash problem?
15:55 < owl> yes... missing bash after installation...
15:56 < owl> why?
15:56 < rtc> hm, i've started the package manager from stone
15:56 < rtc> gasgui
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15:57 < rtc> there the "bash" package is deselected
15:57 < rtc> if i select it the system seems to install the pkg from cd
15:57 < rtc> but if i start the pkg mgr again there it is still deselected!
15:58 < owl> hmmm. anyways. sorry. i'm leaving the office, now... bbl
15:58 < rtc> mine -i bash*.gem on the cdrom is also working and don't bring an error, but the pkg remains uninstalled
15:58 < rtc> hm...
15:58 < rtc> k
15:58 < rtc> bye
15:59 < owl> bye
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17:07 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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17:51 < daja77> *lol* got rh beta announcement mail ...
17:52 < rolla> :)
17:52 < rolla> it might work better than rock 2.0 rc1
17:55 < daja77> well if they can really integrate external devs like they are willing to, they are a harder competitor than gentoo (which currently pisses users away)
17:55 < daja77> but the mail is quite funny
17:56 < blindcoder> gentoo pissing off its users?
17:56 < rolla> true
17:56 < rolla> blindcoder: why is that?
17:57 < daja77> blindcoder: yepp in another chan with formerly lots of gentoo users, only one remained, others switched back to rh
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17:58 < knoti> blrr
17:58 < knoti> blrr
17:58 < daja77> O_o
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17:59 * knoti jumps up and down wildly
17:59 < daja77> are you ok?
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17:59 < blindcoder> oh... nice
17:59 < Aard> daja77: he wants a `merkbefreiung' ;)
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18:00 < knoti> No
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18:00 < daja77> freenode: *aaaargl*
18:00 < knoti> No
18:00 < knoti> I'm not ok
18:00 < daja77> hi Aard
18:00 < knoti> re
18:00 < daja77> why
18:00 < knoti> I'm doing a presentation of german and american patent laws
18:00 < knoti> You can get sick of this ..
18:00 < daja77> omg
18:00 < daja77> ic
18:01 * daja77 currently learning for economy exams ...
18:01 < rolla> daja77: how did gentoo piss them off?
18:02 < daja77> it is just borken ;-)
18:02 < daja77> and users tend to hate borken system which they had to compile for a long time
18:03 < daja77> maybe rh wants to attract some of the gentoo users ...
18:04 < daja77> so in general it is a good idea to provide rock in binary too, to avoid such things
18:05 * daja77 feared to have Aard pissed away ...
18:07 < Aard> `let me in, you darwinian nightmare' -- `was that an insult?' :)
18:07 < Aard> daja77: no, only busy
18:10 < daja77> hehe
18:10 * daja77 notes the pfy in Aard 
18:10 < Aard> daja77: ?
18:11 < daja77> what??! _you_ don't know that, /me shocked
18:12 < Aard> daja77: ?
18:12 < daja77> the Pimple Faced Youngster is the bofh's apprentice ...
18:12 < tcr> pfy is a kinda apprentice of a bofh
18:13 * Aard is playing indy4. 
18:13 < daja77> hehe on dosemu?
18:14 < Aard> man scummvm
18:14 < daja77> ahh yes ...
18:14 < daja77> indy4 was a weird game, cool where the french street names in that city
18:15 < Aard> you can now play nearly all old lucas arts games with scummvm. already completed zak, dott, maniac mansion, loom, sam & max, ...
18:15 < daja77> btw scummvm linked against dietlibc? *ggg*
18:16 < Aard> daja77: maybe some day. some parts of libsdl link, getting libsdl to work will be the biggest part.
18:16 < Aard> since scummvm is _really_ portable I think there won't be too much problems
18:17 < daja77> somehow I knew you tried it
18:17 < daja77> btw just to shock you completely glibc is 20mb more on rh ...
18:17 < Aard> :) `wired aard' ;)
18:17 < daja77> diet Aard ;-)
18:18 < Aard> I'm not that thin because of a diet
18:18 < daja77> because you can't afford food in ffm?
18:19 < blindcoder> wow...
18:19 < Aard> I'm eating enough.
18:20 < daja77> :)
18:20 < blindcoder> mkisofs estimates that it takes >90 minutes to create an iso of a full DVD...
18:20 < daja77> wtf?
18:20 < blindcoder> Track 01:   41 of 4307 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  99%]   2.0x.  1.13% done, estimate finish Mon Jul 21 20:19:56 2003
18:21 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ date
18:21 < blindcoder> Mon Jul 21 18:22:06 CEST 2003
18:21 < daja77> your encrypted fs?
18:21 < blindcoder> nah
18:21 < blindcoder> DVD-R drive too slow ^^
18:21 < daja77> cool you named you computers after native american chiefs?
18:21 < blindcoder> ah, now the estimate goes down...
18:22 < blindcoder> not really, it's just that I thought Crazy Horse sound cool...
18:22 < blindcoder> before that it was scavenger
18:22 < daja77> hehe
18:22 < blindcoder> and the laptop was called marauder
18:23 < daja77> my laptop's name is luggage, after the luggage in terry pratchett books ...
18:23 < blindcoder> hehe
18:24 < daja77> only missing the tiny pink feet ...
18:24 < mnemoc> re
18:25 < blindcoder> daja77:  something like that: http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/
18:25 < daja77> wb mnemoc
18:27 < daja77> nope sth like that http://www.ie.lspace.org/ftp-lspace/images/misc/eric-and-rincewind.jpg
18:31 < blindcoder> oh, you mean "Truhe"
18:31 < daja77> yepp
18:31 < blindcoder> I only read the german version of Discworld
18:32 * daja77 read it in english ...
18:34 < owl> rehi
18:34 < blindcoder> owl: wb
18:34 * owl shares another bottle of wodka with #rocklinux 
18:34 < owl> thx blindcoder
18:35 * daja77 refuses the vodka
18:35 * blindcoder writing a DVD-R
18:35 < owl> tss
18:35 < daja77> no personal thing, just have to learn, bein drunk is no good idea atm
18:36 < owl> learning...
18:36 < daja77> yeah but I got a copy of the professor's book ...
18:36 < owl> why this?
18:37 < daja77> cos my handwriting is bad ...
18:37 < owl> aha
18:37 < daja77> and my writings are incomplete ...
18:38 < owl> hmm... guess i should copy the "ordner" of the last 2 years, too... *lalala*
18:39 < daja77> wanna learn microeconomics?
18:39 < owl> (but... learning is senseless... takine a " wuerfel" and hoping that the answer is right, is a better solution at ihk-tests...)
18:39 < owl> nah
18:39 < daja77> hmm maybe there
18:41 < owl> hmm
18:41 < blindcoder> ah, I really like my new DVD-{R,RW,RAM} drive ^^
18:41 < daja77> wtf? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ola-21.07.03-005/
18:41 < owl> well. than you can be happy to have something to be happy about, blindcoder
18:43 < owl> *cough* might they mixed up the date... it's !(1. april)
18:43 < daja77> guess this is no joke ...
18:44 < blindcoder> sounds nice
18:44 < owl> blindcoder: ???
18:44 < blindcoder> owl: !!!
18:45 < owl> why nice?
18:45 < blindcoder> why do you think it's bad that software vendors support linux?
18:45 < owl> basic...........
18:46 < blindcoder> so what?
18:46 < blindcoder> how amny people use VB and VBA?
18:46 < blindcoder> If it is what customers and companies want, so give it to them, I say.
18:46 < owl> nah.
18:46 < blindcoder> owl: you are narrow-minded.
18:47 < owl> thx for your "friendship".
18:47 < owl> goodbye blindcoder
18:47 < blindcoder> if you really think that everybody should use Linux only from the command-line then you're not better than any other Zealot out there.
18:47 < blindcoder> well, it's nice to see how you take on reality.
18:48 < daja77> selling crap is done, but no benefit imo
18:48 < owl> andsP do you wanna a clicky bunti-interface like KDE and shit?!!!! do you really need it? then you are not better than my boss!!!
18:48 < blindcoder> maybe you and I don't need it. but we are not alone on this planet.
18:49 * daja77 off again
18:50 < blindcoder> and personally, I really like most of the simplicity of Windows and yes, that's something I miss in Linux. But I can live without not.
18:50 < blindcoder> ~90% of home users can't live without that.
18:50 < blindcoder> and if you can't accept it, then I take the right of calling you narrow-minded.
18:50 < owl> and? might every stupid blonde secretary  should be able to click her own application?
18:51 < owl> every home-user like the ones "buhuhuhuhuhuhuh. my windows is dead. what should i do now. *breaking into tears and taking large hammer to kill pc* " or what?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:52 < blindcoder> well, they are the big market aren't they?
18:52 < blindcoder> they are where money is made.
18:52 < owl> well.money is the only thing you code for? oh goth. go away boy.
18:52 < blindcoder> and if you don't want to care about _user_friendlyness but only about hack value, geeks and zealots, then maybe you shouldn't be a programmer.
18:53 * owl gives blindcoder a visual studio.net 2003 and a c# book. 
18:53 < owl> so now code in c# it 's userfriendly
18:53 < blindcoder> haven't had the time or need to look into C#
18:53 < owl> yes. i shouldn't be a programmer. what should i be then? might a cleaning manager? boy, you're fully right!
18:53 < blindcoder> and you're taking the problem from the wrong point. again.
18:54 < owl> yes. hadN#t the need.
18:54 < owl> LMAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:54 < blindcoder> oh come on. do we really need to go that low on this conversation?
18:54 * tcr yawns
18:54 < tcr> re all
18:54 < blindcoder> hi tcr
18:54 < owl> yes! sure!
18:54 < owl> hi tcr
18:54 < owl> blindcoder: - welcome on ignore
18:54 < blindcoder> WEE!
18:54 < blindcoder> it was about time ^^
18:55 < tcr> blindcoder: q.e.d. ;))
18:55 < owl> tcr: don't yawn, drink coffee
18:56 < owl> qed?
18:56 < blindcoder> tcr: well, I think she lost her grip on reality sometime ago...
18:56 < owl> bjikuo
18:57 < owl> *gnarf*
18:57 < blindcoder> GUH-narf!
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19:04 < blindcoder> WEE, finally updated from 690 to HEAD
19:04 < owl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree:
19:04 < owl> 220 builds total, 191 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:07 * blindcoder watching more anime now
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19:09 < dreamind> Hi
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19:10 < owl> hi dreamind , mnemoc
19:10 < mnemoc> hi hopefullowl
19:11 < owl> nah. no hopefull
19:11 < mnemoc> i need an 'screen' guru :( any around?
19:12 < owl> hmmm. might also non-screen-gurus are able to anser your question?
19:12 < dreamind> Hi owl
19:13 < tcr> mnemoc: Yo
19:13 < mnemoc> this damn screen does want to get detached :(
19:13 < mnemoc> -ADR doesn't work
19:14 < mnemoc> $ screen -wipe
19:14 < mnemoc> There is a screen on:
19:14 < mnemoc>         428.pts-1.soporte-linux (Attached)
19:14 < mnemoc> 1 Socket in /tmp/screens/S-amery.
19:14 < tfing> screen -d
19:14 < tfing> ?
19:14 < owl> screen -D -RR
19:14 < owl> ?
19:15 < mnemoc> -d doesnt
19:15 < tcr> Hmm
19:15 < mnemoc> -D -RR neihter :(
19:16 < owl> hm.
19:17 < mnemoc> there has to be a 'nice' way.... kill sshd@pts-1 is not nice
19:19 < owl> you want to reattach... or am i getting you wrong?
19:19 < mnemoc> it's attached to a dead pts
19:19 < owl> screen -D -RR 428.pts-1.soporte-linux
19:19 < owl> ?
19:19 < mnemoc> and i want to reatach it to another
19:20 < owl> hmmmmm.
19:20 < mnemoc> weird.... i got a NEW one :|
19:20 < owl> hmmmm
19:21 < owl> screen -x ?
19:21 < mnemoc> -x??
19:21 < mnemoc> what is that???
19:21 < owl>  -x   Attach to a not detached screen session. (Multi display mode).
19:21 < mnemoc> sshd dies :|
19:21 < owl> wtf?!!! O_o
19:22 < mnemoc> nice feature :)
19:22 < mnemoc> owl: that fork of sshd dies ;)
19:22 < mnemoc> i couldn't test -x :(
19:22 < owl> uff
19:23 < mnemoc> brb
19:23 < mnemoc> @screen
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19:24 < owl> oops... wrong command...
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19:28 < mnemoc> re :)
19:30 < owl> wb
19:30 < mnemoc> qt or gtk? stability, speed, etc.
19:30 < mnemoc> thank happyowl
19:30 < owl> mnemoc: *kick* (for the happy)
19:31 < owl> gtk... (but for what?)
19:31 < mnemoc> i'll move some c# apps to linux and i don't know if chossing qt# or gtk# ;)
19:32 < owl> gtk#
19:32 < owl> c#... please... don't remind me... :p
19:32 < mnemoc> have you used it?
19:32 < owl> gtk#  - nope. but c# i used
19:32 < mnemoc> (gtk#)
19:32 < owl> nah...
19:33 < owl> but qt# is afaik commercial... ?
19:33 < mnemoc> why your 'gtk' is that categorical?
19:33 < owl> hm?
19:33 < mnemoc> http://qtcsharp.sourceforge.net/
19:33 < owl> oh. k.
19:34 < mnemoc> i'll use gtk, but can i know why? ;)
19:34 < owl> dunno. :p
19:34 < mnemoc> doh!
19:35 < owl> *g* sorry...
19:35 < mnemoc> faster? nicer? feeling?
19:35 < mnemoc> :-(
19:35 < owl> dunno. i'm just forced to use those fscking windows-forms...
19:35 < owl> do you like c#?
19:37 < mnemoc> yep... i droped java ;)
19:38 < owl> hmm.. ok. it's better (faster) than java... ... but. in comparision to c/c++ it's cruel imho...
19:39 < mnemoc> against c/c++ you get much faster development
19:39 < mnemoc> and easier :)
19:40 < owl> yes... faster development... but not faster applications.
19:41 < tcr> That's necessarily needed anyway
19:41 < mnemoc> nothing is free in this life
19:41 < tcr> not
19:41 < owl> tcr: ack
19:42 < tcr> owl: It's _not_ needed
19:42 < mnemoc> fast enough applications, and a great language
19:42 < owl> tcr: i'm hating c#... so...
19:43 < mnemoc> i'm hating coding :)
19:43 < owl> mnemoc: hmmm... depends... and this fscking visual studio.net is also slowly, slowlier, slowliest, even more slowly...
19:43 < mnemoc> language-independece
19:43 < owl> mnemoc: pardon? O_o
19:43 < mnemoc> vs.net 2003 is not THAT bad
19:43 < owl> which machine do you haveß
19:43 < owl> ?
19:44 < owl> btw, have you by acciedent documentation about c# and ado.net?
19:45 < mnemoc> .chm or pdf accidents?
19:45 < mnemoc> owl: P3/733/256
19:45 < owl> hm... .chm and pdf are possi ble...
19:46 < owl> hmm. k.  /jme only. amd (?) , 500 /245
19:48 < mnemoc> 245?? video?
19:48 < owl> aeh... 256...
19:48 < owl> video... hmm... dunno. sorry
19:51 < tcr> <mnemoc> i'm hating coding :) <-- How that? U_u,
19:51 < mnemoc> owl: i moved some stuff to...
19:51 < tcr> or do you mean "coding for my boss" ?
19:52 < mnemoc> i need some sysadmin stuff :)
19:52 < tcr> Hm?
19:54 < mnemoc> i have sysamin-blod, but three years ago i offered to code some s.th ... after that they don't let me go back to admin :(
19:54 < tcr> Bah. Administration is such a boring job in comparasion to programmer
19:55 < tcr> prgramming
19:55 < mnemoc> i prefer some of both
19:55 < mnemoc> and THIS particular project is getting me mad
19:56 < mnemoc> (not gtk# one)
19:57 < tcr> Maybe you're just in a bad environment where software development is considered a machinecal, repetive task
19:57 < mnemoc> yep :(
19:58 < tcr> That's sad..
19:58 < mnemoc> gtk# patch ready for departure on gate 1
19:58 < tcr> mnemoc: How is the company you're working for structured? I mean, who can you address for suggestions
19:59 < mnemoc> i work for firemen :D
19:59 < tcr> You could point him to some lecture about what software development really is
19:59 < mnemoc> in chile 'software development' is not really understood
19:59 < tcr> And how developers should be dealt with etc
20:00 < mnemoc> we have ONE cmm2 company in the whole country
20:00 < tcr> mnemoc: It's in most places understood in the wrong way
20:02 < mnemoc> ppl has the idea that *the* programmer does the whole job... from requirements, to design and coding... tests and validation are taboo words
20:03 < mnemoc> chile is great for tourism, wine, cheese, etc... but not for technology or computing
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20:04 < tcr> mnemoc: You consider moving?
20:04 < dreamind> hi
20:04 < mnemoc> YES! :(
20:05 < dreamind> moving? where?
20:05 < mnemoc> hi dreamind
20:05 < dreamind> hi mnemoc
20:07 < mnemoc> owl: tell me when you finish leeching accidents :)
20:08 < owl> didn't begin... because i have those c# books ;p
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20:09 < owl> hi real time clock
20:12 < rtc> ;)
20:12 < rtc> rock is running fine - framebuffer and winmodem configured well
20:13 < mnemoc> face it... rock rules
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20:14 < mnemoc> .cache updates don't :(
20:14 < rtc> seems so...
20:14 < owl> hi juopot
20:15 < mnemoc> owl: checked ebooks/incoming/pdf ?
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20:15 < owl> mnemoc: yes
20:15 < rtc> hm, i've got the pentium mmx binary drock 2.0.0-beta6 - one big problem is that the system brings up many unresolved symbol messages if i compile a new kernel with cpu-option "athlon", which my processor is...
20:15 < mnemoc> :(
20:16 < rtc> how to fix this?
20:16 < mnemoc> beta6 was not good enough...
20:16 < mnemoc> updateing -gem files
20:17 < mnemoc> how did to recompile the kernel?
20:17 < mnemoc> using rock or the tarball?
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20:17 < rtc> 2.4.21-rock src
20:18 < rtc> dl the latest release from kernel.org and compile?
20:18 < mnemoc> no...
20:18 < mnemoc> use /usr/src/rock-src
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20:19 < hopelessOwl> rehi
20:19 < mnemoc> wellcome back happyowl
20:19 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: *kick*
20:19 < mnemoc> don't kick, be happy
20:19 < rtc> mnemoc: have done it with linux2.4.21-rock, was this right?
20:20 < mnemoc> let me check .config file... w8
20:20 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: impossible
20:21 < rtc> k
20:22 < mnemoc> .config is fine... ls /lib/modules/
20:24 < rtc> ?
20:24 < mnemoc> rtc: btw, cd /usr/scr/rock-src; ./scripts/Config; ./scripts/Download -package linux24; ./scripts/Build-Pkg linux24 is the proper way
20:24 < mnemoc> can you do a 'ls /lib/modules/'?
20:25 < mnemoc> just to check extraversion
20:25 < rtc> w8
20:27 < rtc> ls: "2.4.21-rock  misc"
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20:29 < netcrow> hi
20:29 < rtc> the problem has to do with the precompiled mmx-binaries i think, because error is unresolved symbol "__mmx_*_"
20:29 < rtc> hi
20:31 < rtc> mnemoc: any further idea?
20:33 < mnemoc> oh... that unresolved symbols :(
20:34 < rtc> jeah
20:34 < tcr> How did you compile the kernel?
20:34 < rtc> thats the onliest bigger problem i've got at the moment
20:34 < SMP> hhmm. no patches approved in my sleep ;-O
20:34 < mnemoc> i had never installed drock iso
20:34 < rtc> make dep ckean bzImage modules modules_install
20:35 < rtc> could it be a problem because i've got a athlon and iso is pentium mmx?
20:36 < ringo78> rtc: make clean menuconfig dep bzImage modules modules_install
20:36 < rtc> ringo78: would come to same, wouldn't it? menuconfig I've made of course
20:36 < mnemoc> unresolved symbol "__mmx_*_" <-- this is the problem
20:37 < mnemoc> run mmx bins over athlon kernel
20:37 < rtc> doesn't work, yeah?
20:37 < mnemoc> i thought athlon had p2 compatibility
20:37 < tcr> I thought so too
20:37 < mnemoc> mmm... Mike1,SMP,rxr?
20:38 < tcr> rtc: when do you get those messages?
20:38 < mnemoc> tcr is back to save the party ;)
20:38 < rtc> at bootup
20:39 < rtc> when initializing usbcore
20:39 < rtc> modprobing i mean ;)
20:39 < ringo78> you'll have to do that in that order else deps and .config will be deleted
20:39 < rolla> yawn
20:40 < tcr> rtc: Not really sure. Try a fresh linux24 package, as mnemoc proposed. Or download a tarball from kernel.org and try that
20:41 < rtc> i will do so, thank you for this time...
20:41 < tcr> I'd have that you forgot to recompile/reinstall the modules, but you seemingly did that
20:42 < rtc> yes, i did
20:42 < tcr> So the only explanation I'd have is that the recompilation didn't recompile all modules (due to some dependancies errors)
20:43 < tcr> Whatever. I'm sure it'll go away if you use a fresh tarball
20:43 < dreamind> *yaawn*
20:43 < dreamind> hi tcr
20:43 < tcr> moin
20:43 < rtc> we'll see, thank you @ all
20:44 < mnemoc> the cleanest way is to use rock's
20:44 < mnemoc> fresh tarball will no rebuild all modules
20:45 < rtc> what do you mean @ mnemoc?
20:45 < hopelessOwl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree:
20:45 < hopelessOwl> 220 builds total, 216 completed fine, 0 with errors.
20:46 < tcr> mnemoc: it'll leave rock-related kernel stuff as it is, and will create everything completely new. Really, that's the cleanest way
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20:47 < mnemoc> tcr: ack
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20:53 < hopelessOwl> *cough*
20:53 < hopelessOwl> creating rock-src is not really working, eh?
20:54 < hopelessOwl> Creating source tar ... cp: cannot stat `scripts/CVS/Root': No such file or directory
20:54 < hopelessOwl> cp: cannot stat `scripts/CVS/Repository': No such file or directory
20:54 < tcr> Huh?
20:54 < hopelessOwl> tcr: hm?
20:58 < tcr> What are you trying?
20:59 < hopelessOwl> trying to ./scripts/Build-Target (with target which includes X rock-src in config/default/packages)...
21:05 < hopelessOwl> 189M    build/default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree/pkgs
21:05 < hopelessOwl> hmm... guess this size is acceptable for minimal + X, isn't it? (.gem)
21:09 < tcr> owl: Create-Src is still based on cvs, that's the cause for your error
21:10 < hopelessOwl> ah. k. thx.
21:10 < tcr> tell rxr about that
21:10 < hopelessOwl> hm. yes...
21:12 < hopelessOwl> hm.. dammit... this song is great. np: the sisters of mercy - i was wrong *chill*
21:12 < tcr> btw. please make your damn nick shorter.
21:13 < hopelessOwl> why?
21:13 < tcr> long nicks suck
21:14 < hopelessOwl> bad luck
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21:15 < holyolli> moin
21:15 < hopelessOwl> hi holyolli ! *waves*
21:15 < holyolli> hi owl *re-wave* ;-)
21:15 < hopelessOwl> ;)
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21:29 < holyolli> cya
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21:38 < rtc> i have to go, thx @ all and cya later
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21:39 < hopelessOwl> bye rtc
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21:42 < rolla> crap
21:43 < hopelessOwl> rolla: ?
21:43 < rolla> damn boxes won't compile crap
21:43 < hopelessOwl> hmm. shit.
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22:56 < hopelessOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,258068,00.html << assholes... !!!!!!!!!
23:00 < SMP> http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,257908,00.html <- this is linked to from there and much funnier :>
23:03 < daja77> *lol*
23:04 < daja77> n8 you all
23:04 < hopelessOwl> *rofl*
23:05 < hopelessOwl> gn8 daja77
23:14 < hopelessOwl> <-- sleeping. gn8
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