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07:58 < blindcoder> moin esden
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08:20 < cchamilt> Hello all.
08:24 < blindcoder> moin chris
09:04 < daja77> moin
09:05 < blindcoder> moin daja77
09:05 < daja77> hi blindy ;-)
09:07 < blindcoder> everything alright?
09:07 * daja77 still waiting for her ...
09:09 * blindcoder too
09:09 < daja77> ok we should open a club
09:09 < daja77> *argl* /me listening to library women
09:10 < blindcoder> library... brrrr
09:11 < daja77> yeah think we should go somewhere else, when she arrived
09:11 < daja77> library women talking about computer problems *gnarf*
09:14 < blindcoder> uh-oh
09:15 < daja77> yepp *roflmao*
09:16 < daja77> ...und wenn ich da drauf geklickt hab, krieg ich immer nen weissen Bildschirm...
09:17 < blindcoder> ehm.... then don't do that?
09:17 < daja77> und dann geht gar nix mehr und man muss alles neu starten ...
09:19 < daja77> well the interesting part is, not that they tell this some technical stuff, no she tells this to the probably oldest women, they have in staff
09:19 < daja77> s/stuff/staff
09:19 < blindcoder> erm...
09:19 < blindcoder> I do't have to comment, do I?
09:19 < daja77> if you feel like it ;-)
09:20 < daja77> i know that you are working at a luser hotline, so this stuff seems to be pretty normal to you
09:22 < blindcoder> yeah, that's the problem... it's too normal to stillwonder about it.
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09:22 < daja77> hmm maybe I should print the merkbefreiung and hand them out to them
09:24 < daja77> btw I recently logged into grandma's pc to kill some processes she accidently started ;-)
09:24 < daja77> I mean remote, it was fun to listen to her comments on the phone
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09:25 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, I think so :)
09:25 < daja77> hehe
09:26 < Nebukadneza> hi
09:26 < daja77> well the luser in the university administration are worse
09:26 < daja77> lusers
09:26 < daja77> hi nebu
09:26 < blindcoder> hi Nebukadneza
09:26 < blindcoder> daja77: why?
09:26 < knoti> moin
09:27 < Nebukadneza> /dev/hdb1       /store          ext3                            0       0
09:27 < daja77> well we have nt based terminals for students here, they are fscking up every time
09:27 < Nebukadneza> whats wrong with this fstab entry?
09:28 < blindcoder> there's a noauto / auto entry missing
09:28 < blindcoder> the options entry
09:28 < daja77> the best thing was, as they wanted to shoot a photo from me for identity card, they had to reboot 3 different nt boxes for this, several times
09:28 < blindcoder> /dev/hdb1 /store ext3 auto 0 0
09:28 < Nebukadneza> ah ... thx
09:28 < blindcoder> daja77: MUAHAHHAHA
09:29 < daja77> and that so called admin was a bad joke
09:29 < blindcoder> well...
09:29 < blindcoder> isn't Windows-Admin and competent mutually exclusive?
09:29 < daja77> you know they say: on windows there are no admins, only lusers
09:30 < Nebukadneza> can i mount a nfs with the fstab too?
09:30 < daja77> yes
09:31 < blindcoder> Nebukadneza: sure. you can even mdo loopback mounts via fstab
09:31 < Nebukadneza> 192.168.0.1:/shr       /net         nfs                            0       0
09:32 < blindcoder> again, there's auto missing
09:32 < blindcoder> 192.168.0.1:/shr /net nfs auto 0 0
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09:33 < Nebukadneza> blindcoder: *argh* im a idiot!
09:33 * daja77 makes a note
09:34 < blindcoder> moin rtc
09:34 < daja77> O_o aol.com wtf
09:35 < rtc> moin @ all ;)
09:36 < Nebukadneza> oookay
09:36 < Nebukadneza> and now i'll try to build a om cluster and play rtcw-et on it *hrgr*
09:36 < daja77> blindcoder: have you transfered your hotline to this chan?!
09:37 < blindcoder> daja77: no... then it would be *.siemens.de
09:37 < blindcoder> But the idea is interesting...
09:37 -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux
09:37 < [anders]> moin
09:37 < blindcoder> hi [anders]
09:37 < daja77> you know that you can be shot for that
09:37 < daja77> ah ibm is joining
09:37 * blindcoder ?
09:37 < daja77> hi [anders]
09:38 < [anders]> lo blindcoder, daja77
09:38 -!- frediz [~frediz@ALyon-209-1-6-154.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux
09:38 < frediz> hi there
09:38 < daja77> blindcoder: which part of you can be shot, you haven't understood?
09:38 < [anders]> daja77: well, I am on site at the moment..
09:38 < daja77> better than joining from aol ...
09:38 < [anders]> daja77: amen
09:38 < blindcoder> daja77: I wasn't sure if yfou meant me for redirecting hotline, or rtc for using aol ^^
09:39 < daja77> hmm if you ask this way, I'd say both *vbeg*
09:39 < owl> moin
09:39 < [anders]> lo owl
09:39 < daja77> moin owl
09:39 < frediz> I'm new to rock (not even installed ;), I just wanted to know if rocklinux is fully under gpl (code/doc... except logos from what I read)
09:39 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:40 < owl> hi daja77 , guten tag blindcoder
09:40 < daja77> yes ... yes it is
09:40 < frediz> thx daja77
09:40 < [anders]> frediz: I'd say that most, if not all, is under the GPL
09:40 < daja77> some packages are not, but the rock code itself is
09:41 < [anders]> there might be some packages that are included that use their own licence, not the GPL, most notably is Apache
09:41 < frediz> Ok, but if rock itself is, thats the principal to me
09:42 < daja77> you are from Lyon?
09:42 < frediz> well a bit in the south :)
09:43 < daja77> that is strange every french I ask doesn't live in the city as wanadoo announces
09:43 < frediz> lol
09:44 < daja77> I wonder if the people who live in that cities, even know internet
09:44 < daja77> or do they have better providers than wannabee ;-)
09:44 < frediz> :) Its just that the town that appears is some kind of "central" place for the region
09:45 < frediz> ... mmm from what I know, thats just wanadoo, other isp works without town names :)
09:46 < daja77> hehe it is france telecom after all ...
09:46 < frediz> :)
09:46 < Nebukadneza> daja77: are you french?
09:46 < daja77> nope
09:46 < daja77> watch my whois ;-)
09:47 < frediz> You could have been some "alsacien" living in germany ;)
09:47 < daja77> hehe deElsasser is not here atm
09:48 < Nebukadneza> ups
09:48 < Nebukadneza> sry
09:48 < owl> *yawn*
09:48 < daja77> I've been to france several times, that's all
09:48 < Nebukadneza> :()
09:48 < Nebukadneza> "hehe it is france telecom after all ..." <- is was supriesed by that
09:48 < frediz> btw reading the first of rocklinux's handbook : "Warning, this document is Copyrighted" ??!!
09:48 < frediz> Nebukadneza: me 2
09:49 < daja77> hah you can even know that by reading stuff like www.heise.de ...
09:49 < Nebukadneza> löl
09:49 * daja77 has a wanadoo cdrom at home ...
09:49 < Nebukadneza> one question: most people here are german ... why does evrybody speak english?
09:49 < frediz> hehe
09:50 < frediz> for people like me ?
09:50 < frediz> ;)
09:50 < daja77> Nebukadneza: cos only _most_ people are german
09:50 < Nebukadneza> :)
09:50 < Nebukadneza> daja77: hmm --> youre right
09:51 < frediz> Ok so what is licence's policy for rocklinux documentation ?
09:51 < daja77> well it is rxr's self made license
09:51 < daja77> afaik
09:52 < frediz> Huh? thought all was released under gpl
09:52 < blindcoder> the things in rock-src/Documentation are
09:52 < blindcoder> the Handbook is not
09:52 < daja77> the handbook is not included in rock src
09:52 < frediz> ok
09:53 < Nebukadneza> ohh ... what is /proc/kcore?
09:53 < frediz> ok guys thx for your help, cya!
09:53 < blindcoder> bye frediz
09:53 < daja77> cu
09:57 < daja77> *rofl* the fun continues
09:58 < owl> fun? where?
09:58 < daja77> ...hmm I got an error 420, well i'll look it up... well there is no error 420, i only have 422...
09:58 < fake> mornin'
09:59 < owl> ouch
09:59 < blindcoder> moin fake
09:59 < owl> hi fake
09:59 < daja77> owl: /me is at the library and listen to the women working here ...
09:59 < Nebukadneza> hi fake
09:59 < daja77> hi fake
09:59 < Nebukadneza> fake: can i qry?
09:59 < owl> daja77: ah. i c.
09:59 < blindcoder> fake: are you well again?
09:59 < fake> Nebukadneza: go ahead
09:59 < fake> blindcoder: much better.
09:59 < fake> blindcoder: why did you try to log into my machine yesterday?
10:00 * fake logfile reader
10:00 < blindcoder> fake: because neither apol/lo nor crazyhorse was reachable anymore and I wanted to know whether the problem washere @SIemens or at home
10:00 < blindcoder> turned out, it was at home
10:00 < blindcoder> accidentally tried again today, because of bash_history
10:01 < fake> blindcoder: m'kay. excuse accepted ;)
10:01 < blindcoder> fake: good ^^ Can you be at bitz today?
10:01 < fake> blindcoder: did you get that portmap thing running?
10:02 < blindcoder> fake: yes, it worsk now
10:02 < blindcoder> fake: We started a first build yesterday for testing.
10:02 < blindcoder> fake: one machine isn't installe yet, we wanted to keep that last one for ROCK TV #1 :-)
10:03 < fake> blindcoder: i saw a nice article about gnuplot in the linux magazine yesterday
10:03 < owl> rock tv? a bit "groessenwahnsinnig" today?
10:03 < blindcoder> fake: what did it say? I'm not a Linux Magazine reader
10:03 < fake> blindcoder: i want to make a 3d chart. time per package / size of package / avg load? ;)
10:03 < blindcoder> owl: not more than I always have been.
10:04 < owl> blindcoder: aha. then everything is clear.
10:04 < blindcoder> fake: just gimme the command to run
10:05 < fake> blindcoder: i think it's not that easy. we would have to parse the build logs...
10:05 < fake> blindcoder: are you @bitz now?
10:06 < blindcoder> fake: I'm @work,, will be at bitzz around 17:00
10:06 < fake> blindcoder: ah, okay.
10:06 * fake wants to get the festival speech output plugin finished today ;)
10:06 < blindcoder> festival speech output?
10:07 < daja77> plugin for which app?
10:07 < fake> for the Build-Target output?
10:07 < fake> *gg*
10:07 < daja77> *lol*
10:08 * daja77 notes that some women have sucking voices ...
10:09 < blindcoder> Well, i'm satisfied with my irssi output plugin
10:09 < fake> the voice should be selectible in scripts/Config, don't you think?  but i vote for female.
10:09 < daja77> oh i was referring to rl women ...
10:10 < blindcoder> math sucks. my gf doesn't >_<
10:10 < daja77> huh?
10:10 < blindcoder> don't mind ^^
10:10 < daja77> poor blindy
10:10 < owl> your gf, blindcoder ?
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10:11 < daja77> hehe death due provider
10:11 < fake> his intimate liiation to his right hand?
10:11 < fake> muha.
10:11 < blindcoder> sure, right invites left and we make a threesome.
10:11 < blindcoder> fake and his imagination *shakes head in disbelief*
10:12 < daja77> ... so mein junge, nachdem sie dich verlassen hat, musst du dein leben wieder selbst in die hand nehmen...
10:12 * daja77 hides
10:12 < fake> blindcoder: call it 'first hand experience'.. *rofl*
10:15 * daja77 getting nervous
10:15 * Nebukadneza thorws a atlix3000 at daja77's head
10:15 < Nebukadneza> throws
10:15 < daja77> whatever
10:15 < Nebukadneza> :)
10:16 * fake ran out of cigarettes
10:16 < daja77> oh horror ;-)
10:17 * Nebukadneza hates drugs!
10:17 < fake> yeah, now i'll have to walk the looong way down the whoooole road...
10:18 * fake wants the Playstation 2 Linux Kit, damn it
10:18 < blindcoder> fake: You will die from exhaustion :D
10:18 * Nebukadneza hates ps2 and wants a cracked xbox *hrhr*
10:18 < fake> but i'll get cigarettes first. brb.
10:19 < daja77> >_< they said they have none over
10:19 < fake> Nebukadneza: the ps2 rulez. it's a great architecture, with everything you want. and, it includes a really nice mips processor...
10:19 < [anders]> Need to get 32.7MB of archives.
10:19 < [anders]> After unpacking 220MB disk space will be freed.
10:20 < [anders]> hehehe
10:20 < fake> eeek. debian *shivers*
10:20 < Nebukadneza> hm?
10:20 < [anders]> *eg*
10:20 < daja77> fake: btw i told the story about that cobalt thing, and some people told me they think sun should have given to you more recent hw
10:20 < [anders]> acquiring lots of kernel packages/patches
10:20 < fake> daja77: the problem is, there is no more recent hardware with mips processors from sun...?
10:21 < daja77> hmm I was told there is with R16K
10:21 < [anders]> I need to get FreeS/WAN working, and there is an extra patch required to make it working for the IBM stuff..
10:21 < fake> really?
10:21 < fake> hm...
10:21 < daja77> think so, but I can't tell for sure
10:21 < fake> however, my accu is draining and i need nicotine. brb.
10:22 < daja77> cu
10:22 < Nebukadneza> fake: rock doesnt like my pc
10:22 < daja77> aha
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10:34 < Nebukadneza> hm
10:34 < Nebukadneza> i wonder if there is any possibility to code a graphical kernelcompile gui with progressbar :)
10:35 < daja77> muahaha why that
10:35 < [anders]> Nebukadneza: it would be to tricky and not enough gain in it
10:35 < Nebukadneza> [anders]: *boff*
10:36 < [anders]> boff? :)
10:36 < Nebukadneza> boff is something like ... *depressed*
10:36 < [anders]> ah.. :)
10:37 < daja77> hey man relax, read a good book or meet a girl, but don't waste your time like this
10:37 < Nebukadneza> are 3503742 bytes for a vmlinuz bzimage okay?
10:37 < [anders]> well, in order to make a gui that is accurate enough, you would require an additional 'make dep' phase that calculates just how many files that will be compiled
10:37 < [anders]> Nebukadneza: that must be your vmlinux image
10:38 < Nebukadneza> [anders]: and ... that guys who write kernels would pass throught that easy
10:38 < [anders]> no way that one is compressed
10:38 < Nebukadneza> argh ...
10:38 < Nebukadneza> sure?
10:38 < [anders]> Nebukadneza: you'd need to take in to account that not all people compile all things.
10:38 < Nebukadneza> are 1282682 okay? :)
10:38 < [anders]> more like it. :)
10:39 < [anders]> the compressed image is usually hiding in arch/i386/boot and is called bzImage
10:40 < Nebukadneza> i remembered
10:40 < Nebukadneza> have to reboot for the mosix image :)
10:40 < Nebukadneza> brb
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10:40 < [anders]> ok
10:41 < [anders]> a gui to track the kernel compile progress.. *eurgh*
10:41 < daja77> hehe
10:41 < [anders]> why not just read what's on the console??
10:41 < daja77> cos $lusers have to compile kernels these times
10:43 < [anders]> err.. there is always (make menuconfig && make rpm)
10:43 < daja77> and of course it have to be easy and graphical
10:43 < [anders]> it'll tell you when it is done
10:44 < [anders]> hmm... I can see traffic on lkml increasing a lot if a lot of people start building their own kernels..
10:44 < [anders]> I do it because I have a tendency to apply patches that I need. but I also have some clue as to why and how..
10:45 < daja77> I can nearly see the advertising: building your own kernel with just 4 mouse clicks
10:45 < [anders]> and I have good friends I can ask if things go pearshaped. :)
10:45 < [anders]> daja77: please don't.. that conjures very disturbing images into my head.
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10:46 < daja77> yeah guess what, I have read: install linux with only four mouseclicks on linuxtag ...
10:46 < Nebukadneza> argh
10:46 < daja77> the debian people I told this, said they install their linux usually with 0 mouse clicks
10:47 < Nebukadneza> ohaaa
10:47 < Nebukadneza> shit!
10:47 < Nebukadneza> shit!
10:47 < Nebukadneza> shit!
10:48 < daja77> the toilet is next door
10:48 < Nebukadneza> i crashed my nice debian with this fucking shitty mosix fuck
10:48 < owl> *g* bad luck
10:48 < Nebukadneza> aarrr
10:48 < Nebukadneza> shit!
10:48 < Nebukadneza> these fucking idiots from mosix
10:48 < fake> aw.
10:48 < Nebukadneza> i'll kill them
10:48 < daja77> nice debian ... oxymoron detected
10:48 < Nebukadneza> anyone who helps me with a ddos?
10:49 < daja77> kill yourself, if you don't keep old kernels for rescue
10:49 < cchamilt> uh, hi all
10:49 < owl> hi cchamilt
10:49 < cchamilt> yeah, shouldn't play with a system if you arent prepared to hose it.
10:50 < [anders]> lo cchamilt
10:50 < cchamilt> besides mosix isnt that useful
10:50 < daja77> lol
10:50 < fake> cchamilt: g'mornin!
10:50 < fake> Nebukadneza: relax, what's up?
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10:51 < blindcoder> cchamilt: welcome back ^^
10:51 < fake> cchamilt: not useful, but nice to play with, imho.
10:51 < cchamilt> about the only thing I saw speed up is the cheezy perl script examples.
10:51 < fake> i get 8 download errors from orig. locations in svn rev 878 (iirc)
10:52 < fake> cchamilt: compiles can speed up a lot if started with -jX
10:52 < cchamilt> It gives you maybe 10% boast on some operations using two nodes.  I guess in someways it is as cost effective as smp.
10:52 < daja77> or hyperthreading
10:53 < cchamilt> hyperthreading is a joke.
10:53 < [anders]> amen
10:53 < fake> cchamilt: you should switch your network from bnc to 1000MBit someday ;)
10:53 < cchamilt> compile speed up anyways.
10:53 < cchamilt> dual 100Mb
10:53 < blindcoder> Hyperthreading: CPUs with multiple personality disorder
10:53 < daja77> rofl
10:53 < [anders]> CPU's like the IBM POWER4 is quite nice tho
10:54 < fake> nah, MIPS R14k will rock you
10:54 < [anders]> draws quite a bit of current, but hey, you get two cores on a chip. :)
10:54 < cchamilt> well integrating parallelization into the pipe is not the same as smp, but hooking two cores up to a cache is.
10:55 * [anders] is looking forward to the new PPC chip this autums
10:55 < [anders]> autumn even
10:55 < cchamilt> I would like to be a ISV for IBM if I ever finish my software.
10:55 < daja77> *lol* now they can't access the web and still aren't calling for service staff
10:56 < blindcoder> daja77: that's a good(!) thing
10:56 < daja77> hehehe
10:56 < blindcoder> daja77: that gives the service staff time for _really_ imprtant things like nethack or bzflag
10:56 < owl> .oO(gamer!)
10:57 < cchamilt> I have a question about the rock stuff I submitted to the list...
10:57 < blindcoder> owl: there's no "woman" in "huMAN"
10:58 < cchamilt> Does anyone want this stuff or is it too fluffy?
10:58 < owl> blindcoder: aha? and?
10:58 < blindcoder> cchamilt: I think it' a good idea, but should be able to be toggled
10:58 < blindcoder> for example on a mchine without net-connection or something
10:58 < cchamilt> hmm, it would error as normal then though...
10:58 < cchamilt> an error is an error.
10:59 < blindcoder> [ ] Automatically download missing package-
10:59 < cchamilt> I would like [] Start download/build -> Config
10:59 < blindcoder> sure, but if the machine simply has no network it doesn't make sense to try to connect to 12 mirrors
10:59 < cchamilt> It wouldnt get any though...
10:59 < blindcoder> yes, but it wastes time
10:59 < cchamilt> no mirros.txt to begin with.
11:00 < cchamilt> Eh, hmm.  Maybe it should be another wrapper.
11:00 < blindcoder> that's one of the reasons I wanted to use pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf for lpp instead of parse-config
11:00 < fake> cchamilt: what about a mirror-sanity check?
11:01 < blindcoder> parse-config is completely executed before each and every package build
11:01 < owl> GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! i'm hating my chief!!!
11:01 < fake> cchamilt: to adjust the mirror list, if one of them is not reachable constantly
11:01 < owl> and my fscking company
11:01 < blindcoder> I'll be back in 30-45 minutes --> linch
11:01 < cchamilt> It does the current mirror test and only catches the ones it can download from.
11:01 < cchamilt> bye
11:02 < fake> cchamilt: fine, then it's something i have been wishing for long ;)
11:02 < cchamilt> That list could be retested, but I thought that would be a waste.
11:02 * fake fixing download urls right now
11:02 < cchamilt> The only bug I know in it (other than whether it works with mirrors.txt) is that it recursively tries the download function
11:03 < cchamilt> I suck at shell programming, but it was just a demo patch. I figured it would inspire someone else to make a decent one.
11:04 < fake> cchamilt: it won't hurt either way. ;)
11:04 < cchamilt> The great thing is that it tries none at the end, so new packages that aren't mirrored are ok.
11:05 < cchamilt> I think it would be cool to be user friendly for this stuff.
11:06 < cchamilt> You know like a new user can start the whole thing by just running ./start.sh or something
11:06 < daja77> .oO guess cliford doesn't like that
11:06 < cchamilt> It sets up a config for the targets and an automatic one for bootdisk, then goes and builds it.
11:06 < fake> yeah, it is really getting on new user's nerves, if the build won't even start, because a package download failed
11:06 < daja77> cchamilt: stupid question, why can the newbie not just download ready images?
11:06 < cchamilt> Yeah, and I have no idea why he or anyone would care if rock becomes 'easy'.
11:07 < cchamilt> building images is rock, using images is drock or something else...
11:07 < daja77> nope
11:07 < cchamilt> we are a development system first.
11:08 < daja77> if you are giving a user a script called start which just runs a build without toggling anything, he can also use ready images, no?
11:08 < cchamilt> the script would be a wizard that runs the Config scripts.
11:09 < daja77> hmmm
11:09 < fake> but the config script is a wizard (kinda) ?
11:09 < fake> it's really colorful ;)
11:09 < cchamilt> It just walks the user through the few steps to start them toward an iso.
11:09 < fake> why is ncompress hosted on rocklinux.org
11:09 < fake> or, was?
11:10 < cchamilt> Yes, but you need to run Config twice, download, and build at least two targets.
11:10 < daja77> hmm but what's the gain?
11:11 < cchamilt> the script would do a Config -cfg boot, Config -cfg $x, Download -required -cfg boot/$x, Build-Target -cfg boot/$x, Create-ISO Rock boot $x
11:12 < cchamilt> with error checks and a simple menu system for adding multiple targets to the ISO.
11:12 < daja77> and you think that will attract people?
11:12 < cchamilt> anything that removes 'having' to read documentation helps.
11:13 < cchamilt> right now no one even knows to start with Config until they look for documentation and read the right file.
11:14 < daja77> you'd still have to know that you should run start *gg*
11:15 < cchamilt> ./Please_run_this_script_if_you_wont_read_docs
11:15 < daja77> hehe
11:15 < fake> *lol*
11:16 < fake> man Please_run_this_script_if_you_wont_read_docs
11:16 < fake> ;))
11:16 < cchamilt> There is still a leap in logic that we need to create a boot target AND the target you want to install.
11:16 < fake> no, it's perfectly fine
11:16 < fake> it's a distribution targeted to install another.
11:17 < fake> i need a basic root fs for nfsboot and tftp on mips, and i can use the boot-target to install any rock version
11:17 < fake> don't touch it! ;)
11:17 < daja77> cchamilt: don't get me wrong but I really don't think that every distro has to attract desktop users
11:17 < cchamilt> Yes, so is that documented well? Cuz I dont see that in Doc...
11:18 < daja77> I have seen how rh got worse to use for admins, it would be bad if rocks develops the same way
11:18 < cchamilt> BUILD is just about a single target
11:18 < daja77> btw the user orientated gentoo is losing atm
11:18 < cchamilt> Yeah, so we just make a new menu dialog for new users...
11:18 < cchamilt> gentoo was never user oriented.
11:18 < daja77> they claimed to be
11:18 < cchamilt> it was just easier than rock.
11:18 < daja77> and many believed it
11:19 < cchamilt> yes and i am sexy babe friendly. sexy babes come use me!
11:19 < daja77> huh, it wasn't that difficult for me to figure out how rock works
11:19 < cchamilt> hmm, no sexy babes.
11:20 < fake> cchamilt: gentoo doesn't have sexy babes, they have teens...
11:20 < cchamilt> yeah, and most people could use gentoo.
11:20 < fake> cchamilt: as proved on lxtag ;)
11:20 < cchamilt> sexy teen babes?
11:20 < cchamilt> :)
11:20 < daja77> yepp we even had gentoo teens here in the chan, complaining about the gentoo chan
11:21 < fake> cchamilt: that's because of the character-by-character faqs on their webpage. cut&paste your source distro! wee!
11:21 < cchamilt> well drobbins is an interesting fellow i think.
11:22 < cchamilt> he at least sells things well.
11:22 < daja77> is it that guy who pisses his developers off?
11:22 < cchamilt> i still think he lifted meta-distribution from us
11:22 < cchamilt> Jocelyn came up with that word.
11:23 < cchamilt> I remember it coming up in the wiki
11:24 < cchamilt> drobbins appears to be a very obno... uh
11:24 < cchamilt> yes, he is that guy
11:25 < cchamilt> seemed nice last year when i talked with him
11:25 < cchamilt> anyway, we dont have to use the script. but i think people would start if it was there.
11:26 < daja77> dunno
11:26 < cchamilt> as long as rock doesn't start requiring it.
11:26 < cchamilt> If it is just a wrapper to other calls, then it should be safe.
11:26 < daja77> ack
11:26 < fake> cchamilt: make it a package?
11:27 < cchamilt> as long as no features go in it.
11:27 < daja77> rock-for-dummies package, yeah
11:27 < cchamilt> how would it be a package?
11:27 < cchamilt> something to download with rock-src.tar.bz2?
11:27 < cchamilt> or publish a rock-src-dumbies.tar.bz2
11:29 < fake> no
11:30 < cchamilt> Maybe it should be a Makefile in root or rock-src!
11:30 < fake> a seperate package? hm, okay, maybe it was a dumb idea.
11:30 < daja77> build rock with only four mouseclicks *har*
11:30 < cchamilt> zero mouse clicks till our dialog works with mice
11:30 < daja77> yepp :)
11:31 < cchamilt> make world
11:31 < cchamilt> make wizard
11:31 < daja77> hehe, but it is in fact make World ;-)
11:32 < cchamilt> it would also be good to check the host for correct tools if we get that easy.
11:33 < cchamilt> download and temporarily install bash, mktemp, tar, etc. if the host is old
11:34 < cchamilt> devfs would still hurt things.
11:34 < fake> cchamilt: stop it... my stomach...
11:34 < cchamilt> hey didnt clifford mention trying to make devfs optional
11:34 < daja77> yes but i guess not for 2.1
11:34 < cchamilt> he must be thinking this too.
11:34 < cchamilt> heh
11:35 < daja77> well somehow rxr is right, when he says not implement that many new features, to be able to release 2.2 early
11:36 < cchamilt> i dont think devfs optional would be that hard, just an optional tar package contain dev to dump into the chroot.
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11:36 < cchamilt> or you could always tar up the hosts /dev and then dump it into chroot
11:37 < daja77> well I don't know for sure, when the devfs requirement will drop
11:37 < cchamilt> it is only needed for /dev/null and some of the lower level packages.
11:38 < cchamilt> It might be good to 'not' put a whole /dev in.
11:38 < fake> blindcoder: i could go to bitz now and install windows XP on all machines again, muhaha.
11:38 < fake> cchamilt: no, no, no!
11:38 < daja77> aaah why that
11:39 < cchamilt> what packages need access to hda?
11:39 * fake never wants to see any static device files again
11:40 < daja77> fake: this will be an option!, so calm down
11:40 < cchamilt> yeah, but just for the build system chroot....
11:40 < fake> *head explodes*
11:40 < fake> cchamilt: i thought you were kidding!!
11:40 < cchamilt> it is a security feature
11:40 < cchamilt> no clifford has talked about it, it makes since to help lock down the chroot.
11:40 < cchamilt> sense
11:41 < cchamilt> people who are in debian and stuff shreak when we tell them we do everything as root.
11:42 < fake> i thought he wanted to write some fake devfs emulation daemon
11:42 < daja77> hehe I like to hear debian people scream
11:42 < cchamilt> I have yet to understand why it IS a big deal, but that is their whole fake_root philosophy.
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11:43 < cchamilt> local user access on hosted build systems is about the only problem.  So rock cant be built on sf.net, etc.
11:43 < fake> mine is the fake_rulez philosophy.
11:43 < fake> rxr: mornin'
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11:44 < cchamilt> rxr or node shift...
11:44 < cchamilt> hi node shift
11:44 < fake> *sigh*.
11:44 < fake> i'm only missing 2 packages...
11:45 < cchamilt> anyway, there would be some people more open to using rock if it could be built hosted.
11:45 < fake> http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/x86info/
11:45 < cchamilt> I think we will just have to do uml version.
11:45 < fake> this is slow like hell or down?
11:45 * blindcoder back
11:45 < cchamilt> down from what i can tell.
11:45 < cchamilt> re bc
11:46 < fake> cchamilt: yes, but that is another perspective than simplyfing the build.
11:46 < blindcoder> what about rene's Emerge-Pkg?
11:46 < blindcoder> that's almost something like that, isn't it?
11:46 < cchamilt> yes I like Emerge idea.  Maybe move Build-Target to Emerge-Target
11:46 < cchamilt> uh
11:46 < cchamilt> which conversation bc?
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11:47 < blindcoder> *scroll* *scroll*
11:47 < blindcoder> damn luser too stupid to use irssi >_<
11:47 < cchamilt> we were on devfs needs and root needs...
11:47 * blindcoder == luser
11:47 < cchamilt> i can only use mozilla chat...
11:47 < blindcoder> irssi window was stuck
11:48 < cchamilt> yeah, back on that topic, emerge has some cool things since it checks dependencies too.
11:48 < cchamilt> however, with a decent Download l(something similar but better than my patch) and a little change to Build-Pkg you get the same thing.
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11:49 < cchamilt> The build-pkg changes work really well.
11:49 < cchamilt> But dont include the heavy dependency checking, so is more suited to a target system with a static priority schedule.
11:50 < cchamilt> Like I told rene, Build-Pkg never gets ahead of Download in needing packages.  Download is either ahead or trying to get the needed package.
11:51 < cchamilt> If no package exists, no lockfile for it exists, then download failed and build-pkg must abort.
11:51 < cchamilt> right now build-pkg wont wait for download, that is all this implements.
11:52 < cchamilt> the download patch just does more rigorous searches for the package before skipping a package.
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11:53 < cchamilt> my unsent patch will try to Download $pkg if there is no lockfile or file present.  It then checks again for the file before aborting.
11:54 < blindcoder> sounds good in my ears.
11:54 < cchamilt> That is the only one that triggers extra downloading.
11:54 < cchamilt> You could with it and the download patch start the whole build with just build-target now...
11:55 < blindcoder> still, if one mirror is not reachable (eg: no route to host) then it shouldn't try to contact that server again, but that's a general issue
11:55 < cchamilt> It makes more sense though to run a seperate download process.
11:55 < cchamilt> well it might only be that package that is missing on a fast mirror.
11:55 < blindcoder> it makes only sense if you have an internet connection.
11:55 < cchamilt> wouldnt be running download then.
11:56 < blindcoder> Here, however, I had the problem that the internet connection of my cluster would cost me money per MB, while it wsa free at home.
11:56 < cchamilt> also why i havent submitted the build-pkg with download.
11:56 < cchamilt> Could check a rock var I think.
11:56 < blindcoder> still, I like the patch and when I have a quiet minute I'll at least incorporate it into my personal tree.
11:57 < cchamilt> [ $ROCK_BUILD_TRY_TO_DOWNLOAD_IF_LUSER_MISSING_FILE = 1 ]
11:57 < blindcoder> because I always forget to run ./scripts/Download/ after I sync with rene's tree
11:57 < cchamilt> eep, download patch not well tested.
11:57 < cchamilt> or is the -eq
11:58 < cchamilt> clifford pulled mirrors.txt off today so it should be considered broken till i can actually test it...
11:58 < blindcoder> I always use ==
11:58 < cchamilt> i am sure my bubblesort is correct...
12:00 < cchamilt> but i suck at coding so i am sure it isnt correct.
12:02 < owl> http://www.dgb-jugend.de/UNIQ1058620075051584211/SES73117299/doc13588A.html << if someone is interested in it...
12:02 < esden> g'day everyone
12:02 < owl> hi esden
12:02 < esden> yawn
12:02 < owl> lazy student.
12:03 < cchamilt> hi esden
12:03 < fake> hi esden
12:03 < owl> cool. guess my hard disc of my PC @ work is now defect, too... well. now i don't have to work anymore...
12:03 < esden> owl: stfu ... I hacked new output build output system for rock yesterday night ... so I am not lazy !
12:03 < blindcoder> "Wiederholtes, verspätetes oder gar kein Vorlegen des Berichtsheftes. "
12:04 < blindcoder> hmm... I'd have been fired for 18 months ^^
12:04 < blindcoder> hi esden *hug*
12:04 < esden> hi blindcoder *rehug*
12:04 < jsaw> re
12:04 < owl> esden: hmmm
12:04 < blindcoder> esden: which output plugin?
12:05 < esden> socket based ... with a server and client ...
12:05 < cchamilt> blinkenlight output?
12:05 < owl> blindcoder: hm. yes... "nach der rechtssprechund des bundesarbeitsgerichts steht dem azubi schadensersatz zu, wenn er vorzeitig aus dem vertrag aussteigt, weil gar keine oder keine ordnungsgemaesse ausbildung stattfand" *har* might i should really inform the IHK about my current situation...
12:05 < esden> it is more flexible and will allow to create lcd and irssi output in a way that is not a dirty hack ...
12:06 < blindcoder> esden: sweet *onemorehug*
12:06 * daja77 off now
12:06 < cchamilt> bye
12:06 < owl> bye daja77
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12:12 < SMP_> re
12:12 < owl> hi SMP_
12:12 < fake> good evening, SMP_
12:12 < cchamilt> hi smp
12:12 < fake> still awake?
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12:13 < SMP> yeah, still
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12:14 < fake> you know the sun rose already?
12:14 < fake> just so you not walk outside by accident...
12:14 < fake> don't...
12:15 < cchamilt> anybody know php well?
12:15 * SMP just did a quick trip home to get a shower, so ...
12:15 < SMP> cchamilt: probably me
12:16 < blindcoder> hehe, I like coding for a company where I won't work long anymore *MUAHAHAHA*
12:16 < owl> blindcoder: why?
12:16 < blindcoder> owl: no need for writing good / documented cde :D
12:16 < cchamilt> want to work on integrating a groupware appliance using php.
12:16 < owl> hehe. ack.
12:16 < blindcoder> no need for clean APIs, extendability and other shit
12:16 < cchamilt> all opensource.
12:16 < blindcoder> that is, olny if you don't really like the company :D
12:17 < owl> i like sitting in front of a computer which seems to have a defect harddisc... even not windows-installation is possible.
12:17 < blindcoder> cchamilt: will it fill my stomach?
12:17 < cchamilt> not now
12:17 < owl> (and as i know my company i won't get a new harddisc. so either i would buy a harddisce from private money or having a defect machine)
12:18 < SMP> cchamilt: uh, I'm not available for php coding for outside my company ;-)
12:18 < blindcoder> cchamilt: then I have to decline for now.
12:19 < blindcoder> Right now I need an income starting at 10/1/2003
12:19 < blindcoder> but as it seems, I can continue at IS 4 IT, just not at Siemens
12:19 < owl> so you have a new job?
12:19 < blindcoder> no, seems like I can keep the current one, just at another company.
12:19 < owl> i c.
12:19 < blindcoder> a new "internal" job you could say
12:20 < owl> they don't provide a "ausbildung als fachinformatiker anwendungsentwicklung" by accident?
12:21 < blindcoder> no
12:21 < owl> hm. shit :-(
12:21 < blindcoder> because we have no "Ausbildungslizenz"
12:21 < owl> *gnarf* *gnarf* *gnarf*
12:22 < owl> or might you know another company in IN or ND or M or so?
12:22 < blindcoder> hmm
12:22 < blindcoder> Klinikim Ingolstadt
12:22 < blindcoder> Klinikum
12:23 < owl> hmmm... afaik you have to enter the OPs... (at least it was told us... when we where there with the school) and my "magen wuerde das nicht wirklich verkraften"
12:23 < cchamilt> ok, i guess i will put it up on sf or something.
12:24 < owl> or don't have the fachinformatiker AE have to enter the OPs *hoping*
12:25 < blindcoder> owl: well, a friend of mine (Timo Kliemchen, FISI) continued his Ausbildung there...
12:25 < blindcoder> And I don't think he ever had to enter an OP where they were _WORKING_
12:25 < owl> hmmm...oki. sounds acceptable ;)
12:26 < blindcoder> you might, however, havee to enter one before and after their worked (when it is clean and empty)
12:27 < owl> then it's ok.
12:30 < fake> owl: you don't have to, you are suggested to
12:35 < owl> hm. k.
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12:44 < blindcoder> okay, done
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13:07 < n00kie> Wow
13:07 < n00kie> The new webpage looks great :)
13:07 < n00kie> Also in w3m and links
13:09 < jsaw> hmm
13:10 < n00kie> Well, the "News"-Box on the rightsite looks not so good
13:10 < n00kie> but it's acceptable
13:10 < jsaw> I still don't like the gray background.
13:11 < blindcoder> well, personally I'd prefer a "What is ROCK Linux?" Site better than a sitemap on the frontpage...
13:11 < jsaw> ack.
13:12 < n00kie> well
13:12 < n00kie> it's a bit dark, jsaw
13:12 < n00kie> Could be done "heller"
13:12 < jsaw> n00kie: that's exactly what I'm complaining about.
13:12 < n00kie> yeah
13:13 < jsaw> I'll opt for #f3f3f3. n00kie, say it on the ML, Cliff's ignoring my critique.
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13:15 < gomer> re
13:16 < n00kie> wb gomer
13:16 < n00kie> hmm jsaw
13:16 < n00kie> moment
13:17 < jsaw> n00kie: hmm, what?
13:17 < n00kie> #F0F8FF would be nice
13:17 < jsaw> yep, even better.
13:18 < jsaw> hi gomer
13:19 * owl kicks esden 
13:19 < n00kie> thanks :)
13:19 < n00kie> Hi owl
13:19 < n00kie> How are you? :)
13:20 < owl> hi n00kie
13:20 < owl> feeling less than shit. thx. you?
13:21 < n00kie> Well, a bit headache, but fine, thanks :)
13:21 < jsaw> owl: a steady deep down and hi to the skies...
13:21 < n00kie> jsaw: I'm going to write a mail to the list
13:23 < rxr> clifford might just update the templates in various way - so this might be why he is not responding to every single one ...
13:24 < jsaw> rxr: relax. It was not that serious. I was just asking others, if they support my view.
13:24 < SMP> re rxr
13:25 < n00kie> wb rxr
13:25 < owl> jsaw: huh?
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13:25 < n00kie> Hi tcr
13:25 < jsaw> owl: huh? in what context?
13:25 < owl> jsaw: [13:21] < jsaw> owl: a steady deep down and hi to the skies...
13:27 < jsaw> owl: your mood is changing continously these days. I have to assume, it's pms.
13:27 < tcr> moin all
13:27 < tcr> moin n00k
13:29 < owl> jsaw: pms? what's that? btw, i'm just changing between depression and extremely agressive because of being angry and self-destruction
13:30 < blindcoder> Post-Mentruales-Stressyndrom
13:30 < owl> nah
13:30 < fake> nea
13:30 < fake> pre-menstrual
13:31 < fake> the days before the days are the real horror...
13:31 < jsaw> some girls both, pre and post.
13:32 < owl> .oO(fake is the real expert in menstruation - from experience *vbeg*)
13:36 < tcr> Blubb
13:36 < owl> bla
13:36 < SMP> //henry/d$ on /mnt3 type smbfs (0)
13:36 < SMP> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7 on /mnt4 type ext3 (rw)
13:36 < SMP> /mnt3/shared/iso/generic-2.0.0-beta6-rev586+rev621-x86-i586_cd1.iso on /mnt4/mnt/source type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop/0)
13:36 < SMP> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 on /mnt4/mnt/target type ext3 (rw)
13:37 < SMP> and meanwhile e2fsadm -L 1G /dev/vg01/lv00 is running to free space for /mnt4/mnt/source/usr
13:37 < SMP> just the usual ROCK install =)
13:38 < SMP> for /mnt4/mnt/target/usr of course
13:38 < tcr> Smbfs?
13:39 < SMP> henry is a machine running Windows
13:39 < tcr> Why did you include that into the paste?
13:39 < tcr> Unintentionally?
13:40 < SMP> because that is where it loop mounted ROCK ISO comes from
13:40 < SMP> s,it,the,
13:40 < tcr> Ah.
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13:58 < fake> SMP: playing with lolita?
14:08 < SMP> so to say
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14:19 < fake> the king of pr0n lays his hands on a sw33t lolita ...
14:26 < owl> someone wants a minimal_XFree-cd1.iso? (not bootable) or provides space to store it?
14:28 < blindcoder> not bootable? that's useless, isn't it?
14:29 < owl> why? you can install it if you have mine and a running linux
14:29 < SMP> or you can use another bootable rock cd or floppy set
14:30 < blindcoder> yes, but if you would compile a bootdisk target and specify it to Create-ISO I could install it on any machine with a CD-Rom
14:30 < fake> or a well equipped toaster
14:30 < blindcoder> fake: how come you know my toaster?
14:30 < fake> i talked to it on my last visit.
14:31 < blindcoder> fake: ah, I see. It didn't tell me about it... I have to cut its daily portion of bread.
14:31 < fake> he seemed very depressed already, read nietzsche... be nice to him.
14:31 < fake> it...
14:32 < owl> blindcoder: bootdisk-target... first esden should might fix the gawk-patch-error
14:32 < blindcoder> owl: well, svn HEAD compiled fin two days ago.
14:33 < blindcoder> fake: hmm... thanks for the hint...
14:34 < SMP> gah, I'm too tired and my kernel too fscked up. n8 ..
14:35 < jsaw> damn gnome. no real ALSA support...
14:35 < owl> blindcoder: ?
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14:36 < fake> n8 smp!
14:37 < owl> hi sausage-eater ;p
14:37 < owl> gn8 SMP
14:37 < DeElsasser> bonjour, charmante demoiselle
14:37 < DeElsasser> hi all the rest
14:37 < owl> *looking around* where? :P
14:38 < DeElsasser> question: why tar build in stage 1 and not in stage 5?
14:39 < jsaw> needed for pkg generation
14:40 < DeElsasser> requestion: why tar build good in stage 1 and give error when build in stage 5?
14:41 < DeElsasser> is my english so bad?
14:41 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: NLS-Problem
14:41 < jsaw> stage 5 is inside a chroot. If some compile fails prior to tar, it bombs.
14:42 < DeElsasser> blindcoder: what NLS?
14:42 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: disable NLS in ./scripts/Config and it works
14:42 < blindcoder> that's a bug I forgot to mention in my Mail
14:43 < DeElsasser> blindcoder: thx
14:45 < DeElsasser> other little question: there is only 1 game I play, lbreakout2, and it doesn't build, I look all dependencies, they are ok...?
14:46 < DeElsasser> is there a dependencie who is not in lbreakout2.cache?
14:48 < DeElsasser> or is it about gtk-perl10 who definitly not build?
14:51 < esden> ping blindcoder 
14:52 < esden> blindcoder: you also forgot the userfriendlyness in "menuefuehrung" (I am still waiting for dict.leo.org to translate it) ...
14:52 < blindcoder> pong esden
14:52 < esden> menue guidance ... or so
14:53 < blindcoder> esden: yes >_< pleose post it as a reply, I'll leave in a few minutes
14:53 < esden> but I have to do one more instalation to write down which menue points should be switched in order
14:53 < esden> blindcoder: no problem ...
14:53 < blindcoder> esden: please also do not forget the thing about "Full Installation for WS" and "Small Install for Server"
14:53 < esden> blindcoder: we see eachother at 17 in bitz?
14:54 < blindcoder> I hope so... if the Deutsche Bahn doesn't interfere
14:54 < esden> blindcoder: I will pray for you 
14:54 < blindcoder> esden: thanks :) I need every help I can get in this case :)
14:54 < esden> I get a shower now ... and move my ass to bitz
14:54 < blindcoder> okay, see you later
14:54 * blindcoder now leaving, too.
14:54 < blindcoder> bye all
14:54 < fake> bye
14:54 < esden> I want to do the installation ... and do the output stuff
14:54 < esden> cu blindcoder 
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15:00 < DeElsasser> waooo, rocklinux.org is red now...
15:02 < DeElsasser> good work, easier to find what is need :-)
15:03 < esden> the red color will change in the next time ... 
15:04 < esden> cool ... there is a gnu version of netcat ... very nice
15:05 < esden> does anyone know a better alternative to netcat?
15:05 < tfing> what's the pb with nc ?
15:07 < esden> no there is no problem with nc ... since I found a gnu version (that is hopefully easier to package then the atstake.com version)
15:07 < esden> but I can remember that someone told me that there is a better alternative for nc
15:08 < tfing> oh
15:08 < esden> for the atstake version I needed half a ton of patches ... so that it compiles and installs propperly
15:11 < esden> ok .. the alternative is called socket ... 
15:13 < fake> portmap?
15:13 < fake> ;)
15:13 < fake> esden: no, the links will stay red, and clicked links will turn black...
15:17 < esden> fake: ohh ... ok ... so I misunderstood the mail of cliff
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15:27 < owl> *krah* downloading with isdn-speed... (in office)
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15:33 < rolla> re
15:40 < fake> esden: no, i talked to him an hour ago or so
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15:47 < esden> fake: ok ... so your information is more up to date
15:47 < esden> fake: telephone?
15:47 < fake> j0.
15:50 < owl> ouch. office can't be installed on my win2k-prof-with-SP4. *running against the next wall*
15:50 * daja77 waves
15:54 < fake> rehi daja77
15:56 < owl> <-- off
15:56 < owl> bbl. ciao
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16:01 < esden> owl: you are here in the wrong channel to complian about such things ;-)
16:01 < esden> hi daja77 !!
16:01 * -> esden waves to daja77 
16:03 < dreamind> Hi esden
16:05 < DeElsasser> hi daja77: waves?
16:05 < esden> hi dreamind 
16:06 < esden> ok ... I am off to bitz
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16:24 < daja77> DeElsasser: winken
16:24 * daja77 now sleeping a bit
16:25 < DeElsasser> daja77: you sleep when others works? hou....
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16:58 < fake> cool, our l33t cat is visiting me
16:58 < fake> (i'd vote for a dog that's called 'echo' *g*)
16:59 * fake watching a storm build up
16:59 < Nebukadneza> fake: hum?
17:04 < fake> the scripts/Config help system is lacking a few features...
17:27 < rolla> :0
17:29 < esden> re hi all
17:30 < esden> fake: we are waiting for you ;)
17:30 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit ("upd kern")
17:30 < fake> esden: i need at least another hour of fine-tuning
17:32 * fake just had a mad idea
17:33 < fake> how about a bash-aliased make or a shellscript replacement for make, that LD_PRELOADs flistwrapper.so and executes make
17:34 < fake> and whenever it detects acces to a file that's not there, stops the make process, looks at it's flists of packages on a server, knows which package is missing, builds it, installs it, and unstops the make process again?
17:35 < fake> like a transparent emerge
17:35 < fake> in addition, any file that make creates would go into a logfile
17:35 < esden> sounds like a nice idea
17:35 < fake> and could even be converted into a rock package
17:35 < fake> *glowing eyes*
17:35 < fake> ;)
17:36 < fake> LD_PRELOAD is fun.
17:36 < esden> I can imagine that you like such a crazy idea ;)
17:37 < fake> and one could show melting gentoo logos all over the screen while the missing package is built in the background
17:37 < fake> muahhaa.
17:38 < Nebukadneza> i've to say sth.
17:38 < Nebukadneza> PSYCHO! *G*
17:38 < fake> *BRRR*
17:38 < Nebukadneza> löl
17:39 < fake> wilde fuechse verfolgen herrenlose haeuser!
17:39 < fake> *brrrz*
17:39 * daja77 checking why police is all over this town
17:39 < Nebukadneza> psycho ...
17:39 < fake> esden: but i could indeed finish my stuff in bitz.
17:40 < fake> it's only 900 gramm.
17:41 < Nebukadneza> your kewl tablet?
17:41 < daja77> *gna* http://www.freiepresse.de/TEXTE/KULTUR/UNTERHALTUNG/TEXTE/649176.html
17:41 < esden> fake: yes you can do it here ... I am sitting at my laptop too ... and hacking my stuff
17:42 * Nebukadneza is antiamerican!
17:42 < esden> fake: so move your lazy ass ;)
17:42 < fake> esden: have to copy rock-trunk & minimal downloaded files over WLAN first ;)
17:43 < esden> fake: then take another wlan card and combine them to one ... so that it is faster ;)
17:43 < fake> only one slot...
17:43 < esden> or use an airport card that is capable of multifrequency wlan ;-)
17:44 < fake> besides, i enjoy hacking outside, when it is raining...
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17:48 < Meshugga> namd :)
17:49 < Meshugga> hm hm, kein clifford :))
17:53 < fake> esden: is the WLAN at bitz functional ATM?
17:53 < fake> esden: i heard there is now even Bluetooth support? i might use that... ;)
17:57 < fake> esden: and finally: did you occupy the 'referentenrechner', too? i might have a really funny video, but it's wmv, and mplayer has problems with the sound
17:59 < fake> na, anyway, i'm on my way. i will park in the 'hof', i am still ill, and don't want to run through the rain...
17:59 < fake> brb.
18:01 -!- Nebukadneza is now known as Nebu^afk
18:01 < Aard> I love my lusers. (man entering the room) `Mr. Wachter? Ah, I'll throw you out of the window'
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18:18 < daja77> Aard: hm?
18:18 < Aard> daja77: ?
18:18 < daja77> you throw him out, or he wants to throw you out
18:19 < Aard> he wanted to throw me out.  after that, he wanted to shoot me
18:19 < daja77> but it is your job to shoot, no?
18:19 < Aard> jup.
18:20 < daja77> guess he mixed sth up
18:21 * daja77 got a luser mail today, will ignore it 'til next week
18:21 < Aard> he tried to reach me via phone -- but my old pnone number now ends up in a conference room. the internal info system contains only the old number. since I had many small but importand tasks to do during the last days many people wanted to call me.
18:21 < daja77> hehehe
18:21 < Aard> the users of the conference room were really pissed off
18:21 < daja77> lol
18:22 * Mike1 .
18:22 < daja77> hi Meshugga
18:22 < daja77> uhm yes
18:22 < daja77> hi mistik1
18:22 < daja77> d'oh
18:22 < daja77> hi Mike1
18:23 < Mike1> hi.
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18:51 < owl> rehi
18:56 < Mike1> Sandra.
18:56 < owl> hi Miguel :)
19:02 * Mike1 np Incubus - New Skin 
19:02 * owl now listening to: rain outside of the window - nature
19:03 < Mike1> ay mi amor :)
19:03 < owl> O_o
19:04 < Mike1> hrhr
19:10 * Mike1 np Orgy - Gender
19:10 < Nebukadneza> http://sysadminday.safeweb.be/Photos1/pMaxim_Fire_Rack.jpg <--<-- wtf
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19:28 < rxr> re
19:28 < rxr> cool answer from "André von Raison <avr@ix.de>"
19:28 < daja77> hi rxr
19:28 < daja77> hm?
19:28 < owl> hi rxr
19:29 < rxr> iX @ heise ...
19:29 < Mike1> greetings rxr.
19:29 < rxr> hi Mike1
19:30 < netrunner> good evening ladies and gentlemen.
19:30 < Mike1> netrunner :)
19:30 < daja77> rxr: will they put rock cds in ix?
19:30 -!- jvc [~jvc@co97886-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux
19:30 < Mike1> jvc: Welcome
19:32 < Mike1> Jan is quite nice to see you here.
19:34 < rxr> daja77: nope but at least we will be mentioned in the Article about the LinuxTag
19:34 < rxr> and they consider an Test-Article.
19:34 < daja77> cool
19:35 < rxr> They do not want an acrticle from me - so I think they should only get a really polished 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 so they do not complain about abvious first try bugs ...
19:35 < owl> hi netrunner , jvc
19:36 < netrunner> hm ... who was the one not believing that rock kills my hw?
19:36 < netrunner> now that one disk is back from rma, the next fails ... the one in my build pc
19:36 < Mike1> netrunner: 0_o?
19:37 < owl> netrunner: *lol* congrats
19:38 < netrunner> hm ... that makes 2x64MB RAM, 3 disks, 1CPU ... what next?
19:39 < Mike1> netrunner: motherboard :)
19:39 < owl> Mike1: *g* you was faster
19:39 < owl> or power supply
19:39 < Mike1> owl: great minds think alike
19:39 < owl> cpu cooler - and shooting the motherboard :ppp
19:39 < owl> Mike1: ;)
19:39 < Mike1> then _you_ will be next.
19:40 * netrunner giving himself the bullet
19:40 < netrunner> who'll come to the camp btw?
19:40 < owl> *har* in the night, the pc will awake and go to netrunner's bad and will kill him - cruel and slowly
19:40 < owl> <-- not
19:41 < netrunner> muahaha, ard quiz: "Was erzeugt die Space-Taste auf der Computertastatur?" a)Leerzeichen b)Bindestrich c)Punkt d)@
19:41 < owl> *g*
19:41 < netrunner> *rofl*: female candidate: "Hmm ... @ sounds like internet, must be that
19:42 < owl> omg
19:42 < owl> was she blonde?
19:42 < netrunner> owl: dunno, didn't watch
19:42 * Mike1 np: korn - blind
19:42 < owl> netrunner: ah. k.
19:43 < jvc> hello, mike1
19:43 < jvc> hello owl
19:43 < Mike1> jvc: nice lag :)
19:43 < jvc> well I had started x-chat but then the phone rang
19:43 < Mike1> jvc: ah that explains :)
19:49 < rxr> netrunner: I'll be there - but maybe onle two days or so ...
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19:50 < netrunner> rxr: during the actual event? esden will leave before it starts ...
19:52 < rxr> oh
19:54 < fake> re.
19:54 < owl> wb fake
19:54 < fake> rxr: the text about aspis was amusing, wasn't it?
19:54 < fake> ;)
20:02 < rolla> Mike1:
20:03 < Mike1> rolla: :)
20:03 < Mike1> rolla: query
20:09 < rxr> yes - amusing ...
20:33 < daja77> hmm cups startup even takes ages on athlon
20:35 < fake> rxr: see, and you can't deny that you fitted some of the descriptions, among many others.
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20:57 < netrunner> wtf is boehms-gc? *watchingbuild*
20:58 < netrunner> hm ... yet another small tool, takes 1min to build ;\
20:58 < rolla> netrunner: just another thing
21:05 < netrunner> *g* security hole in sco/openserver ... that's where the name comes from :)
21:05 * netrunner feels funny today.
21:05 -!- daddel9 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:05 < daddel9> rehi
21:06 < daddel9> anyone with (open)mosix experiance here?
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21:15 < tcr> re all
21:16 < fake> re tcr
21:16 < Nebukadneza> reh
21:17 < Nebukadneza> fake: du hast doch bestimmt schonmal clusters gebau
21:17 < Nebukadneza> t
21:18 < Nebukadneza> oh
21:18 < Nebukadneza> sorry
21:18 < Nebukadneza> wrong language
21:18 < Nebukadneza> here in the chan
21:18 < Nebukadneza> :)
21:18 * daja77 only wrote programs for clusters
21:18 < tcr> _wrote_?
21:19 < tcr> So you say that you don't do it anymore?
21:19 < daja77> yes i currently don't write them ..
21:19 < Nebukadneza> daja77: if im allowed to ask ... was you the one on linuxtage in the ... öhm .... "rollstuhl" @ the rocklinux äähhmmm .... hmm ... "stand"      -->--> (should lern better english)
21:19 < daja77> rollstuhl == wheelchair, and yes I am that one
21:19 < tcr> stand is booth
21:19 < Nebukadneza> ah ... kewl
21:20 < Nebukadneza> do you remeber the one with a debian shirt who asked how to burn in linux?
21:20 < fake> ...
21:20 < owl> *rofl* now Nebukadneza will be shot... (because of the word "debian")
21:20 < fake> (das spricht baende)
21:20 < Nebukadneza> lööl
21:20 * Nebukadneza dies in front of the whole channel
21:21 < fake> a guy in a debian shirt asking how to burn cds.. great! ;))
21:21 < daja77> owl: nah I am always making my fun of them ;-)
21:21 < fake> Nebukadneza: you have courage.
21:21 < Nebukadneza> fake: *arghl*
21:21 < tcr> fake: Oy! He's asked for the l33t version, ie. How to burn a CD with your lighter
21:21 < daja77> I liked that guy who almost got mad as he saw that rock uses xfree 4.3.99.5 while 4.3.0 isn't even in debian broken aka devel
21:22 < Nebukadneza> ive never did it befor ... how can i know that i need these fucking scsi emulation
21:22 < fake> or a microwave
21:22 < fake> Nebukadneza: we all asked that.
21:22 < fake> once... in a long gone time...
21:22 < Nebukadneza> *argh*
21:22 < fake> but with 2.5/2.6 this time is over
21:22 < tcr> Yeah, it's like the question about the bees and flowers
21:22 < fake> the new kernel allows direct, dma-boosted cdburning
21:22 < daja77> tcr: hehe tell me how this works
21:23 < tcr> Linux gets idiot friendly. Juhuu! ;>
21:23 < Nebukadneza> tcr: i wouldnt like if linux would become a newb os
21:23 < tcr> The time has ended where I've been lost. A new era begins!
21:23 < fake> the bees pay 20 bucks to enter the flower, where other female bees are waiting, and then they f*&(* the shit out of the paying bee.
21:23 < daja77> ah now O know, thx
21:23 < daja77> s/O/I
21:24 * tcr equates fake with Dr. Sommer
21:24 < daja77> Nebukadneza: I think I can't remember your face :-(
21:24 < esden> re hi all
21:24 < Nebukadneza> *G*
21:25 < daja77> esden!
21:25 < tcr> Hi esden. Say what should that AOL mean in your last mail?
21:25 < Nebukadneza> daja77: egal :)
21:25 < netrunner> hi esden
21:25 < daja77> yepp
21:25 < owl> hi esden
21:25 < esden> tcr: AOL = "I think the same way"
21:25 < daja77> *rofl*
21:26 < daja77> AOL and think in one sentence ...
21:26 < esden> you know the AOL threads in mailinglists, where 10 people reply quoting the whole mail writing only "I acknowledge that"
21:26 < daja77> sure i know about that
21:27 < esden> daja77: ROFL
21:27 < daja77> but aol means: me too, not I _think_ the same way ;-)
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21:29 < Nebukadneza> hi christ|an
21:29 < christ|an> hi Nebukadneza
21:30 < Nebukadneza> qry?
21:30 < daja77> esden: this time I have to learn ...
21:31 < esden> daja77: my condolences ...
21:32 < daja77> well but tomorrow it is over ...
21:32 < Nebukadneza> christ|an:  can i qry?
21:32 < daja77> than I only have to write studienarbeit, and work on rtrock
21:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA8FB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:33 < tcr> Urgs.
21:33 < daja77> hm?
21:33 < tcr> I plugged off the cable of my keyboard by accident, and while plugging it in again, I put the power cable off
21:33 < tcr> %)
21:33 < owl> ouch
21:33 < daja77> hehe, sleep man!
21:34 < tcr> No! I'll fly in holiday tomorrow ;P
21:34 < daja77> even better
21:34 < daja77> where?
21:34 < tcr> Malta
21:34 < daja77> have fun
21:34 < owl> enjoy the heat or so...
21:34 < esden> re tcr 
21:34 < owl> .oO(toasted hackers are no real hackers...)
21:35 < daja77> owl: hah it was you who was in spain
21:35 < owl> daja77: i'm not a hacker ;p
21:35 < owl> i'm maybe a hackse ;p
21:35 < daja77> you are a hacktress *ggg*
21:35 < netrunner> WTF??? now tar fails? who is guilty? *tearingguns*
21:36 < owl> netrunner: tar fails???
21:36 < Nebukadneza> owl: löl?
21:36 < esden> daja77: no she is only a "I would like to be a haeckse"
21:36 * netrunner having high bloodpressure ... booting into cs
21:36 < Nebukadneza> but ... why not
21:36 * daja77 notes that netrunner should be kept away from computers
21:36 < owl> Nebukadneza: what's wrong?
21:36 < Nebukadneza> in matrix reloadet trinity is a female hacker ... she hacks with nmap any ssh exploit from 2000
21:36 < esden> netrunner: what is your girlfriend doing that you have high blood pressure?
21:36 < esden> netrunner: send videos/pics ;)
21:36 < netrunner> owl: here, yes.
21:37 < owl> netrunner: ???
21:37 < netrunner> esden: you'll see some at camp ;)
21:37 < netrunner> /usr/bin/xgettext: Non-ASCII string at tests/genfile.c:165.
21:37 < netrunner> Please specify the source encoding through --from-code.
21:37 < netrunner> mv: cannot stat `tar.po': No such file or directory
21:37 < fake> gettext. disable NLS
21:37 < owl> Nebukadneza: hmmm. /me is female too
21:38 < netrunner> fake?
21:38 < esden> netrunner: expert options "disable NLS"
21:38 < fake> netrunner?
21:38 < Nebukadneza> owl: aha ... good to know --> "<owl> i'm maybe a hackse ;p"
21:38 < daja77> n8 you all
21:38 < owl> now' i'm completly confuses
21:39 < owl> waaaaah... ignore my typos
21:39 < esden> Nebukadneza: she is at least stating that she is female :->
21:39 < Nebukadneza> i wondert why you sayd "<owl> i'm maybe a hackse ;p"
21:39 < Nebukadneza> esden: yep
21:39 < owl> Nebukadneza: because i don't know if i could call myselfe hackse... maybe trying to be... or so
21:40 < esden> owl: that is why I say that you are a "willing to be haeckse"
21:40 < Nebukadneza> *boffl* now I dont understand one word
21:41 < fake> Nebukadneza: www.haecksen.org
21:41 < owl> esden: whereds did  you say it?
21:41 < Nebukadneza> argh
21:41 < Nebukadneza> that picture of the girl in the top of the page
21:41 < Nebukadneza> wich anime ...
21:41 < Nebukadneza> i know it
21:41 < Nebukadneza> hmm
21:41 < Nebukadneza> not lain ...
21:41 < Nebukadneza> arg
21:41 < Nebukadneza> h
21:41 < fake> serial experiments lain
21:42 < Nebukadneza> really lain?
21:42 < fake> it is lain in person.
21:42 < Nebukadneza> "<Nebukadneza> not lain ..." <--<-- i was right
21:42 < fake> yep
21:42 < netrunner> esden,fake: NLS is disabled here.
21:42 < netrunner> maybe I should enable it?
21:42 < Nebukadneza> löl
21:42 < Nebukadneza> i love anime
21:42 < netrunner> arg .. ok
21:42 < Nebukadneza> do you know Scryed?
21:43 < esden> owl: scroll back a bit ...
21:44 < Nebukadneza> owl: member of hacksen? :)
21:44 < owl> ahh... there
21:45 < owl> Nebukadneza: nope
21:45 < Nebukadneza> why not *G*
21:45 < Nebukadneza> i think this is really interesting
21:46 < owl> hmm
21:46 < owl> <-- prefers lonliness
21:46 < Nebukadneza> hm
21:47 < Nebukadneza> if i were female i would join it for sure!
21:47 < owl> not many people please
21:47 < owl> why?
21:47 < owl> might i will join the pds or spd... but not haecksen
21:47 < Nebukadneza> pds or spd
21:47 < Nebukadneza> argh
21:47 < Nebukadneza> better then cdu *G*
21:48 < owl> Nebukadneza: why? are you cdu/csu or fdp-waehler?
21:48 < Nebukadneza> the PBC is the best: "partei bibeltreuer christen" ... i've loughted a whole day
21:48 < Nebukadneza> owl: im 15 ... but if i could choose ... the greens :)
21:48 < owl> PBC - a new drug *har*
21:49 < fake> free the weed!
21:49 * Nebukadneza HATES DRUGS! *arghl*
21:49 < owl> *lol* nah. no weed!
21:49 < fake> then don't elect green... ;)
21:49 < Nebukadneza> all my friends take these shit ... i just dont understand it
21:49 < owl> depends on the drugs. but no weed or hard drugs please
21:49 < Nebukadneza> fake: why?
21:49 < Nebukadneza> do you know "attac"?
21:50 < Nebukadneza> thats an organisation i would join ...
21:50 < owl> "globalisierungsgegner" afaik?
21:50 < fake> i think it is idiotic that it is prohibited and illegalised. the state makes a lot of money with nicotine and alcohol, why not also with weed? the greens think so too.
21:50 < Nebukadneza> owl: jep
21:51 < owl> Nebukadneza: where are you from? /me has a friend who is in attac munich ;)
21:51 < Nebukadneza> fake: i dont think that all green think that way ...
21:51 < Nebukadneza> Karlsruhe ...
21:51 < owl> hm. a bit far away
21:51 < Nebukadneza> where do you life`
21:52 < owl> Nebukadneza: near ingolstadt.
21:52 < Nebukadneza> hm
21:53 < fake> Nebukadneza: that's the official statement, iirc.
21:53 < Nebukadneza> fake: and ....
21:54 < netrunner> http://www.sysadminday.com/
21:54 < Nebukadneza> netrunner: i know it already
21:54 < fake> netrunner: *sigh*. i wonder when there will be a 'nothing-day'.
21:55 < owl> nihilismn-day
21:55 < fake> day-day ?
21:56 < Nebukadneza> aaahhh
21:56 < Nebukadneza> fsck
21:56 < Nebukadneza> *runns away*
21:56 < Nebukadneza> *ducks*
21:56 < owl> das-of-day-day?
21:56 < Nebukadneza> *climbs on a tree*
21:56 < Nebukadneza> waah
21:56 < Nebukadneza> 0strig-error-day
21:56 < Nebukadneza> day-of-the-first-ms-nub
21:57 * Nebukadneza prays for the fsck
21:57 < owl> *diabolic laugh* *evil grin* Nebukadneza gets infected with brain-disease :p
21:57 < Nebukadneza> owl: what? *schau undschuldig nach oben*
21:58 < owl> Nebukadneza: nothing, nothing. don't mind. /me taking the sword and kills Nebukadneza slowly and painful with it *smile*
21:59 < Nebukadneza> owl: do you play dsa?
21:59 < owl> nah.
21:59 < Nebukadneza> why not?
21:59 < owl> hm. dunno.
21:59 < Nebukadneza> dunno????
22:00 < owl> dunno = don't know
22:01 < esden> Nebukadneza: you have to learn the irc/#rocklinux slang ;)
22:01 < esden> hehe ... we need #rocklinux jargon file *G*
22:01 < Nebukadneza> owl: axo
22:01 < Nebukadneza> esden: jep ...
22:02 < Nebukadneza> at least 4 servers: one with db, one takes the apache, one makes the firewall and one the gateway ... so we take the file to the user
22:02 < rolla> Nebukadneza: you just need english slang file ;)
22:02 < esden> rolla: ack
22:02 < Nebukadneza> rolla: and ...
22:03 < rolla> Nebukadneza: there is more english slang here than german slang
22:04 < Nebukadneza> rolla: and ...
22:04 < rolla> nevermind
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22:10 * rolla head hurts
22:10 * -> esden takes a baseball bat and hits rolla 
22:10 < esden> rolla: better?
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22:11 < rolla> nope
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22:12 * fake takes a head and hits the baseall bat.
22:12 < fake> rolla: better?
22:12 < Nebukadneza> löl
22:13 < Nebukadneza> fake: your a real freak!
22:13 * Nebukadneza changed fake's nick to freak
22:13 < fake> there already is a real 'Freak' here.
22:13 < fake> one of those debian evangelists, that lurk into 'our' channel
22:13 < fake> ;)
22:13 * Nebukadneza lurks a bit around
22:14 < owl> .oO(and please don't compare someone to Freak - because it's offending $someone ...)
22:14 < rolla> owl: relax
22:14 < fake> in case of a comparsion to me, it's an offense for him ;)
22:14 < owl> rolla: why?
22:14 < owl> fake: nah. why should it?
22:14 < rolla> owl: he could not have done that much harm to you
22:15 * Nebukadneza changes owl's nickname to Freakse
22:15 < owl> he could...
22:15 < fake> he killed her notebook, and dug it up in the desert. ?
22:15 * owl kicks Nebukadneza with army boots (attention - stahlkappen inside)!
22:15 < fake> metal plates?
22:15 < owl> jup. thx
22:16 < fake> no idea, just guessing.
22:16 * Nebukadneza gets kicked and take a LAW (raketenwerfer) to bomb the metal plates
22:16 < fake> stop it, kids.
22:16 * Nebukadneza throws the law away
22:16 < fake> some people try to concentrate here, and you are producing a hell lot of noise.
22:16 * Nebukadneza takes a SGI Atlix3000 from his back and throws it to fake's head
22:17 < owl> ands?
22:17 < owl> -s
22:17 < fake> *catschesit* thanks!
22:17 < fake> -s
22:17 < fake> *lol*
22:17 < Nebukadneza> *arghl*
22:17 < Nebukadneza> its weight is 930kg ...
22:17 < owl> omg
22:17 < rxr> SMP: around ?
22:18 < fake> rxr: asleep since afternoon
22:18 < fake> Nebukadneza: and if you can throw it, i can catch it.
22:18 < Nebukadneza> jep
22:18 < Nebukadneza> fake: do you know the quantentheorie?
22:18 < Nebukadneza> bzw. quantenmechanik?
22:18 < fake> quantum theory
22:19 < Nebukadneza> fake: sry ...
22:19 < Nebukadneza> (so ein perfekt englisch könner :()
22:19 < fake> 'the' quantum theory is, that the smallest element are quantums?
22:19 < Nebukadneza> nope
22:19 < fake> sure...
22:19 < Nebukadneza> how evrything can act in these dimensions
22:20 < Nebukadneza> go through walls, etc.
22:20 < fake> you mean the problem you have, when you leave someone else's cat (i.e. schroedingers) in a box for a long time, and let her out very angry afterwards?
22:20 < Nebukadneza> *boffl*
22:21 < owl> boffl?
22:21 < Nebukadneza> owl: nothing ... forget
22:21 < owl> hm
22:22 < Nebukadneza> the only thing wich is more interesting then quantum theory are black holes!
22:23 < esden> Nebukadneza: are you studying theoretical astronomy or physics?
22:23 < Nebukadneza> nope
22:23 < Nebukadneza> im still in realschule
22:23 < owl> esden: with 15 years? *couth*
22:23 < owl> s/couth/cough
22:23 < rolla> realschule?
22:24 < Nebukadneza> rolla: something like ... what is realschule like ... college?
22:25 < fake> rolla: GCSE?
22:25 < Nebukadneza> jep
22:25 < fake> the festival text-to-speech system is a mess...
22:26 < rolla> ach
22:26 < fake> they have stolen configure from some other package and edited it... *cries*
22:26 < esden> owl: who knows
22:27 < esden> owl: there are geniouses all over the world
22:27 < owl> hmmmm.
22:27 < Nebukadneza> esden: no ... i just read stephen hawkings universum in der nusschale
22:29 < fake> Nebukadneza: did you read the first part?
22:29 < fake> Nebukadneza: Eine kleine Geschichte unserer Zeit?
22:29 < fake> (a small story about our time)
22:30 < fake> (not sure about the original english title, though)
22:31 < Nebukadneza> fake: jep
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22:32 < fake> Nebukadneza: i think that is much more interesting...
22:34 < esden> fake: The engilsh title is "A Brief History of Time"
22:35 < Nebukadneza> but then you should read Hawkings other boot "Einsteins dream" ...
22:36 < tcr> Hah, I just got my GCSE too!
22:37 < netrunner> why are imlib, pango and gnome-startup-notification built before xfree86? have I missed something?
22:38 < fake> esden: thanks
22:38 < esden> fake: de nada
22:41 < rolla> fake: that is a good book
22:41 < Nebukadneza> esden: hm?
22:42 < Nebukadneza> have to go
22:42 < Nebukadneza> cya
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22:45 < owl> <-- sleeping
22:45 < owl> gn8
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22:49 < fake> rolla: yes, i enjoyed it...
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22:55 < netrunner> wonderful, now the hdd hangs again :/
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23:10 < fake> yeah! it speaks!
23:11 < fake> it is talking to me! oh, how sweet!
23:11 < A-Tui> hi
23:11 < fake> hi A-Tui
23:12 < mistik1> hmmm, this is a little strange
23:13 < mistik1> why should my target build get done with glibc/gcc2/gcc3 and tons of others in one night yet the kernel has been taking two days
23:13 * mistik1 wonders if something is stuck
23:14 < mistik1> unless of course the linux24 package is doing more than just building the kernel and packaging it
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23:16 < rxr> mistik1: the linux kernel package is doing just that ...
23:16 < rxr> what does tail -f build/$configid/root/var/adm/logs/$stage-linux24.out (or what package you mean) does output ?
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23:19 < mistik1> that is one heck of a long kernel build even for a 333 PII
23:19 < Nebukadneza> re
23:19 < mistik1> looks like its doing make muldules now however
23:19 < mistik1> hey Nebukadneza
23:19 < rxr> mistik1: could you poast this tail .... cmd in a query
23:21 < Nebukadneza> hey &mistik1
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23:26 < Nebukadneza> any mosixer here?
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23:34 -!- Nebukadneza is now known as Nebu^mosix
23:37 < Nebu^mosix> http://students.washington.edu/wfrenchu/Images/ms_final.gif
23:56 -!- Nebu^mosix is now known as Nebu^anime
23:58 < rtc> *lol* @ http://students.washington.edu/wfrenchu/Images/ms_final.gif
23:58 < esden> re hi all ...
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