--- Log opened Sun Jul 27 00:00:30 2003
--- Day changed Sun Jul 27 2003
00:00 < daja77> ooops compile error in lmsensors package
00:01 < daja77> rxr: need error message?
00:01 < A-Tui> hi
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00:01 < daja77> hi A-Tui
00:01 < A-Tui> hola daja77
00:02 < dreamind> Hi
00:02 < daja77> hi dreamind
00:02 < rxr> daja77: nope
00:02 < daja77> ok :)
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00:03 < Meshugga> namd :)
00:03 < daja77> hi philip
00:03 < dreamind> Hi daja77
00:03 < Meshugga> clifford da?
00:03 < daja77> nope
00:03 < Meshugga> daja77: kenn ich dich? :)
00:03 < daja77> sure you do
00:03 < Meshugga> oh, wait, english chan?
00:03 < Meshugga> sorry...
00:03 < daja77> yes
00:04 < Meshugga> daja77: where do i know you from?
00:04 < daja77> linuxtag?
00:04 < Meshugga> i havent been at linuxtag, sorry
00:04 < daja77> ok sorry than i confused with another philip
00:04 < Meshugga> perhaps with philipp reisner
00:04 < daja77> yepp
00:05 < Meshugga> !seen clifford
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00:05 < daja77> we have no bot here
00:06 < meshugga> when is clifford usually online?
00:06 < daja77> a few hours in 4-6 weeks
00:06 < daja77> every 4-6 weeks
00:06 < daja77> sorry
00:07 < meshugga> gah ... i am meeting him every two weeks irl, so irc apparently is rather senseless ... ;)
00:08 < daja77> he is only rarely here, yes
00:09 < daja77> but he is responding to mails ;-)
00:09 < meshugga> actually, i wanted to ask him about a tool he told me about lately
00:10 < meshugga> some sort of "wget scripting engine"
00:10 < daja77> scripts/Download? ;-)
00:11 < daja77> anyway, I'll be off now
00:11 < daja77> gn8 you all
00:11 < meshugga> nite
00:11 < Aard> n8 daja77
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00:36 < meshugga> bye
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00:50 < rxr> blindcoder: awake ?
00:58 < rxr> cu - n8
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01:33 < gomer> re
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02:23 < gomer> gute nacht
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10:08 < netrunne1> moin
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10:15 < daja77> moin netrunner
10:16 * daja77 now off for fun
10:32 * netrunner off for biking (harley)
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12:16 < netrunner> hm ... 1-dietlibc fails
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12:19 < ripclaw> helo
12:19 < netrunner> hi ripclaw
12:19 * ripclaw doing some work, but occasionally looking into channel
12:19 < ripclaw> hi netrunner
12:19 < ripclaw> PING_ALIVE
12:20 < SMP> hi ripclaw ..
12:21 < ripclaw> hi SMP !
12:22 < ripclaw> SMP - im setting up boxes in my basement, one is definitely and finally going to come to berlin CCC and if you are there, it`ll stay.
12:22 < ripclaw> but i`ll have to call you up on that a few days before, since i may not be able to finish it til then.
12:22 < SMP> woo ;)
12:24 < ripclaw> btw - do you still have any Athlon SLOT A cooler left ? mine just fragged the hell out of itself during the heat, now three boxes are out of order (one disk damage, one board damage during lxtag, and that one now.)
12:24 < ripclaw> oooh. cvs sync is slow on openbsd today...
12:25 < SMP> sorry, no Athlons here
12:26 < netrunner> 2 athlons here building rock:  CPU1 Temp: +54.5C   CPU2 Temp: +59.5C
12:26 < netrunner> quite hot here :/
12:26 < ripclaw> hmpf. dont want to abuse a sparc for that. cant install 2.0 on it, slowaris rocks (not) for building, and openbsd supports only one cpu. hmpf.
12:27 < ripclaw> netrunner: 2 sparc 450 building in the basement :-P this is athlon too. but none SMP athlon, i only have P2/Sparc/G4 as SMP here.
12:28 * netrunner wonders if there is still warranty on his hdd from 02/2001
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12:56 < gomer> re
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13:46 < esden> hi all
13:47 < Aard> hi esden
13:49 < esden> hi Aard 
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14:17 < blindcoder> hmm
14:19 < esden> hi blindcoder 
14:19 < blindcoder> hi esdi
14:20 < blindcoder> esden: bootdisk target ailed completely
14:20 < blindcoder> esden: the dietlib pkg_gawk.patch doesn't apply to the new version anymore
14:20 < blindcoder> and so there was no awk available...
14:22 < blindcoder> maybe other dietlibc panches don't apply anymore, too since some core packages (gawk, sed, ...) wre updated...
14:24 < Aard> gawk linked static or dynamic? dynamic linking works here without patch
14:25 < blindcoder> static, I believe...
14:25 < blindcoder> In file included from io.c:44:
14:25 < blindcoder> /usr/src/rock-node/build/bootdisk-2.0.0-rc1-x86-bootdisk-expert/root/usr/include/stropts.h:27: conflicting types for `gid_t'
14:25 < blindcoder> /usr/src/rock-node/build/bootdisk-2.0.0-rc1-x86-bootdisk-expert/root/usr/dietlibc/include/sys/types.h:51: previous declaration of `gid_t'
14:25 < blindcoder> /usr/src/rock-node/build/bootdisk-2.0.0-rc1-x86-bootdisk-expert/root/usr/include/stropts.h:32: conflicting types for `uid_t'
14:25 < esden> blindcoder: I will have to take a look at that stuff
14:25 < blindcoder> /usr/src/rock-node/build/bootdisk-2.0.0-rc1-x86-bootdisk-expert/root/usr/dietlibc/include/sys/types.h:50: previous declaration of `uid_t'
14:25 < blindcoder> that's the error I have.
14:25 < blindcoder> gawk 3.1.3
14:25 < esden> Aard: static
14:26 < blindcoder> esden: I think I can create a new patch that aapplies...
14:26 < esden> Aard: many things work at your place without problem
14:26 < esden> s
14:26 < esden> because you tweaked your system so that it uses dietlibc as if it was glibc ...
14:26 < Aard> esden: ?
14:26 < esden> that is a big difference
14:27 < Aard> that's my aim -- a completly glibc free system
14:27 < esden> I can run glibc and dietlibc in parallel in my system ... you not
14:27 < esden> that is called flexibility ;)
14:28 < blindcoder> maybe rene had no time to also check if bootdisk target still builds after updating those packages
14:28 < esden> blindcoder: seems so ...
14:28 < esden> but I thought someone sent an updated gawk patch ...
14:28 < Aard> esden: I don't want glibc anymore ;)
14:29 < esden> Aard: me nither ... but I do not close the door ... so that if someone wants to use glibc for some programs it is no problem ... 
14:29 < blindcoder> no, only a patch that updates gawk
14:29 < esden> I create a flexible system ... not a static unchangeble ... binary only ... stuff .. ;)
14:29 < Aard> esden: that's one of the reasons I won't give up dietlinux
14:29 < esden> blindcoder: hmpf
14:30 < esden> Aard: ohh god ... boy ... you do not understand what I say
14:30 < Aard> ?
14:30 < esden> dietlibc target is using only dietlibc ... just like your dietlinux
14:30 < esden> but you closed the door for integrating programs that run only on glibc ... /me not ... 
14:31 < esden> if someone wants to have glibc there it is no problem ... he can have it
14:31 < esden> but in standard settings it is not there ... and the system is dietlibc only
14:31 < blindcoder> okay, seems like it builds now...
14:32 < blindcoder> wasn't hard to change, only an offset of ~4000 lines...
14:32 < Aard> dietlinux is not meant for systems where you need glibc.
14:32 < esden> blindcoder: lool
14:32 < blindcoder> 14:32 node16:       finished job '1-gawk' (ok)
14:33 < esden> Aard: dietlibc target nither ...
14:34 < Aard> :)
14:34 < esden> but it can be run also on hybrid systems ... I think that is a big plus on my side
14:35 < Aard> I don't want it to be able to run glibc-stuff.
14:37 < esden> "flexibilitaet ... und nichtaufdringilchkeit was entscheidungen des endbenutzers angeht ist sehr wichtig, denn ich hasse es wenn mir leute vorschreiben wollen was richtig ist und was falsch ... deshalb bin ich auch bei rocklinux ... und werde nicht dietlinux benutzen ... weil du willst mir vorschreiben was ich kriege und was nicht, glibc kriege ich zum beispiel nicht ... auch wenn ich will."
14:37 < esden> sorry if it sounds bit harsh
14:37 < esden> is not ment so
14:38 < esden> Aard: you not ... but the users ... you do not create dietlinux only for your self. are you?
14:39 < Aard> esden: I create dietlinux mainly for people wanting a small and clean system, most of them want it for old hardware.
14:39 < blindcoder> esden: please ACK the dietlibc-gawk patch on the ML
14:40 < esden> blindcoder: it is not yet here ... I will ack it when it appeared
14:40 < blindcoder> wee, minimal target build just entered stage 9
14:41 < esden> Aard: the dietlibc target is the same. but can also be used for other things. Don't you understand the word flexibility?
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14:41 < esden> blindcoder: nice
14:43 < blindcoder> esden: can you pick me up for tanzbar today?
14:44 < esden> blindcoder: Sorry that will be not possible. I have to help my parents in some things befor I go there ... >_<
14:45 < blindcoder> ah shit... okay, will have to get a ride somewhere else.
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14:55 < esden> blindcoder: sorry ... :(
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15:25 < esden> the activity here is really alarming ;)
15:25 < blindcoder> why?
15:25 < blindcoder> I have some Connection probs here...
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15:26 < esden> because so many people are talking ;)
15:26 * Aard could redirect /dev/urandom... 
15:27 < esden> blindcoder: teledum playing with it's routers again?
15:27 < esden> Aard: hehe ... no thanks 
15:27 < blindcoder> esden: no, with it's dial-in machines...
15:27 < esden> i go insert some more gimmiks in my car ...
15:27 < esden> cu l8er
15:28 < blindcoder> baba
15:28 < blindcoder> esden: !
15:28 < esden> ?
15:28 < blindcoder> esden: acked the patch already?
15:28 < esden> blindcoder: ack ...
15:28 < blindcoder> good
15:28 < esden> was it wrong?
15:28 < esden> should I wait some months?
15:28 < blindcoder> no, I just didn't receive any more mails the last 30 minutes, so I asked
15:29 < esden> ahh ok
15:29 < blindcoder> yes, december would be fine
15:29 < esden> hehe
15:29 * blindcoder now dresing for dancing
15:29 < blindcoder> byebye
15:30 * -> esden dressing for car hacking ;)
15:30 < esden> bye bye
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16:48 < rxr> re
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17:16 < rxr> SMP: are you here ?
17:19 < SMP> jup
17:20 < rxr> arggghhh! Now M$ is also jumping on the my source is in linux waggon.
17:20 < rxr> are these bullshit bastards .........
17:21 < rxr> SMP: I'm just about creating a new svn repository and could also create the net one in one go
17:21 < rxr> do you have a useful name in mind?
17:21 < rxr> e.g. rock-net ?
17:22 < SMP> hmmm
17:25 < rxr> or just rocknet as rockplug ?
17:26 < SMP> well, rocknet should be ok
17:29 < rxr> ok
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17:30 < rammi> hi people..
17:33 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rocknet
17:33 < rxr> SMP: do you want to get commit mails?
17:34 < SMP> hmm, no
17:36 < rxr> working title ROCK.net ?
17:36 < SMP> nah, better ROCK-Net
17:37 < SMP> no reference to .NET
17:37 < rxr> hm - then ROCK Net (without dash)
17:37 < rxr> like ROCK Plug ...
17:37 < SMP> ok
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18:42 < fake> hm is the list deas?
18:42 < fake> dead?
18:48 < cchamilt> rene, is the gawk changes put into svn?
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18:51 < fake> i got the last mail from the list at Sat Jul 26 02:18:45
18:51 < fake> can someone copy that?
18:51 < fake> sounds like ages ;)
18:58 < SMP> there was some traffic today
18:59 < fake> grmpf.
19:02 < christ|an> good evening :)
19:03 < christ|an> Iam back again :)
19:04 * rxr stability testing adn stessing the subversion server
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19:05 < rxr> importing all my SANE/Avision patches from the last three years into the new repository using script ...
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19:13 < fake> arghl. my stupidity hurts..
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19:41 < mistik1> re all
19:42 < christ|an> re mistik1
19:43 < mistik1> this rock linux is making all sorts of ideas float in my brain
19:44 < mistik1> Now I ge to thinking would this not be a great way to build a LTSP server using the next generation of LTSP
19:45 < mistik1> which will be a build system not that different from what Rock is now however on a smaller scale
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19:46 < mistik1> mnemoc was absolutely correct, this is an amazingly addictive project indeed
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19:48 < fake> mistik1: gotcha! ;)
19:58 < owl> hi
19:59 < rxr> Linus Torvalds <to Linux v2.6.0-test2
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20:11 * fake listening to Tanzwut - Freude Schoener Goetterfunken
20:14 < msp[]> Indeed, Beethoven is neat.
20:16 * owl n: wizo - weiter *headbang*
20:16 < fake> msp[]: and in a very interesting interpretion Tanzwut use verses from 'Faust'
20:17 < owl> faust I or faust II?
20:19 < msp[]> Wizo is Prollpunk IMHO :-P
20:20 < owl> msp[]: dunno. just don't know many songs of them
20:23 < SMP> rxr: around?
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20:26 < christ|an> rehi :)
20:26 < christ|an> hua - what happend with the rock website? *g
20:26 < owl> hi christ|an
20:27 < christ|an> hi owl *bussi*
20:27 < christ|an> *g
20:28 < owl> waaah! go away!
20:28 < christ|an> hihi
20:28 * owl takes her knive and "bedroht" christ|an with it
20:29 < christ|an> lol
20:30 < christ|an> hey owl - i hope you know - everything i say like "*bussi*" and so on are only gags *g
20:30 * capchaos takes a dictionary and threatens owl :p
20:32 < owl> christ|an: yes. for your own security
20:32 < owl> hi capchaos ! ;)
20:32 < capchaos> Hola, buho!
20:33 < christ|an> well owl - i have a good firewall :)
20:33 < owl> christ|an: it won't help
20:33 < christ|an> and a rock system running *g
20:33 < christ|an> and a sweet face :)
20:34 < owl> sweet face? *roftl* nah. thx. i don't need someone with a sweet face - already have one :ppp
20:34 < christ|an> :(
20:35 < SMP> owl: your dog?
20:35 < christ|an> lol
20:35 < owl> SMP: nah ;p don't have a dog.
20:36 < SMP> a penguin?
20:36 < owl> hm. a homo sapiens i would say... ;p
20:36 < christ|an> :) :) :) i hope not - the poor penguin
20:37 < owl> .oO(toasted penguins are having a nice taste)
20:37 < christ|an> i will go to bed NOW :)
20:38 < christ|an> long day tomorrow
20:38 < christ|an> i wish you all a nice sunday and a good week
20:38 < christ|an> cya
20:38 < owl> hah. having vacation for 2 weeks is great. *sitting relaxed in bed* ;p
20:38 < owl> bye christ|an
20:38 < christ|an> *grummel*
20:39 < owl> *har*
20:39 * christ|an off and away
20:39 * christ|an is away: schlaf0rn
20:40 < christ|an> struct owl { int iq = 0; }
20:40 < christ|an> hahahahaha
20:41 < owl> that's not funny! i'm knowing by my own dumb, that i'm having an iq of 0 points
20:41 < christ|an> oh okay *g
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20:42 < christ|an> but this is a good hacker gag *g
20:42 < christ|an> struct christ|an { int iq = 999; }
20:42 < christ|an> *g
20:42 < christ|an> nice nicd
20:42 < owl> nah
20:42 < christ|an> and now i will go :)
20:43 < christ|an> goto ... and so on :)
20:43 < owl> ...
20:43 < christ|an> owl - which programming lang you learn at school mainly
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20:45 < owl> christ|an: at school? don't know. i'm not a pupil anymore (at least not at "normal" school)
20:45 < owl> (but at vacational school?)
20:45 < christ|an> i thought you learn fachinformatikerin
20:46 < owl> yes. but voc_school != normal school. and at voc_school you're learning vb and java (at least in our)
20:47 < christ|an> i mean that :)
20:47 < christ|an> vb == shit :)
20:47 < msp[]> heh
20:47 < owl> aha.
20:48 < msp[]> C!!!!!11111
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20:48 < owl> hi Nebukadneza
20:48 < christ|an> hi Nebukadneza
20:48 < msp[]> hi Nebukadneza
20:48 < christ|an> i was faster *g
20:48 < Nebukadneza> :)
20:48 < Nebukadneza> hi christ|an
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21:02 < esden> puhh ... hi all
21:05 * -> esden confirms that vb == shit
21:05 < esden> ;)
21:06 < Nebukadneza> esden: right!
21:10 < msp[]> I used to code in 68k
21:10 < msp[]> asm
21:20 < esden> argl ... the CCCamp registration is broken >_<
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21:21 < Nebukadneza> esden: was?
21:21 < esden> Nebukadneza: "You don't have permission to access /signup.php on this server."
21:22 < Nebukadneza> esden: CCCamp?
21:22 < esden> ack
21:22 < esden> Nebukadneza: http://www.ccc.de/camp/2003/index.en.html
21:25 < Nebukadneza> ah
21:25 < Nebukadneza> thx
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21:36 * -> esden is asking himself where is netrunne1 
21:51 < msp[]> to wonder
21:51 < msp[]> :-P
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22:06 < rxr> hi esden
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22:12 < n00kie> moin :)
22:15 < SMP> rxr: I can't seem to find the code where the move of cups binaries to name_cups happens ...
22:18 < rxr> SMP: I also noticed it is broken
22:18 < rxr> it should work in the way it works for the mail-tranfer-agent ...
22:19 < SMP> well, where's the damn code? ;-O
22:20 < SMP> it's completely broken
22:21 < rxr> SMP: I'm currently doing SANE/Avisin (to not let the users kick me even more ...)
22:21 < SMP> all that moving around and INSTALL_WRAPPER_FILTER-ing must stop
22:21 < rxr> why ?
22:22 < SMP> rxr: so you don't know where the code is? ;)
22:22 < SMP> there is absolutely no excuse why well known commands (and manpages) are called differently
22:23 * daja77 waves
22:23 < rxr> SMP: yes - I have not searched for it yet
22:23 < rxr> SMP: maybe Cliff forgot to add it ..,
22:23 < rxr> SMP: because they are not so well known, but used by several packages
22:24 * SMP hates some package maintainers!
22:24 < rxr> if prolog and ploticus both use the "pl" command it is obvious that I need to rename ploticus to "ploticus" instead of "pl" ...
22:24 < rxr> SMP: which ones ?
22:25 < SMP> why do these idiots not even bother looking at the flist or running their damn program at least once to see that it completely does not work?!
22:25 < SMP> kterm e.g. does not (at all) work with devfs
22:26 < SMP> I already fixed problems like these in openmotif, lesstif, nedit and lvm
22:27 < rxr> SMP: patches will show up?
22:27 < SMP> as soon as I have an MTA set up on my beta6 or I am back on 1.4.0
22:27 < SMP> (tomorrow)
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22:31 < SMP> rxr: please check if util-linux still produces bogus /sbin/bin and /usr/sbin/bin dirctories (should be in the stage 1 build)
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22:57 < rxr> SMP: nope - doesn't seem so ...
23:01 < rxr> strange - am I again hunting a compiler bug on PPC ?
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23:09 < netrunne1> re. grmbl. xfree86 does not compile. rm: cannot remove `/usr/X11': Is a directory --- BUILD ERROR ---
23:10 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
23:13 < netrunner> oh dear, the current revs are not that buildable, hey? 5-samba: sed: can't read examples/smb.conf.default: No such file or directory
23:13 < SMP> I have a fix for that (and some other samba problems) already
23:13 < netrunner> SMP: on the rlml?
23:14 < SMP> but I guess we will be upgrading it to 3.0beta and so I am not yet sending them
23:14 < esden> ahh .. netrunner 
23:14 < esden> very good that you are here
23:18 < esden> hmm ... but he died after one minute, interesting
23:20 < n00kie> Hey esden, SMP, netrunner :)
23:20 < esden> hi n00kie 
23:25 < rxr> SMP: do you also vote for 3.0 ? I not yet sure whether to updatre ..
23:27 < SMP> I would be fine with 3.0 - if there gets a little more brain power into the update than just bumping the verion
23:29 < rxr> SMP: yes - the last time I installed samba I also had to fix much - but sadly that was in a hurry at university - so I did not made patches out of it
23:30 < rxr> I recently wiped out much of the brain-dead code lines that where still present from the cp sourceforge/samba rene/ -r ...
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