--- Log opened Tue Jul 29 00:00:19 2003
--- Day changed Tue Jul 29 2003
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00:04 < owl> *sigh* /me np: metallica - the unforgiven II
00:08 < fake> o_O
00:08 < daja77> re
00:08 * fake Goethes Erben - Fleischschuld
00:08 < fake> re daja77
00:08 < owl> hi daja77
00:09 < daja77> hi owl
00:11 < fake> eine kleine hand... ein zartes bein...
00:11 < fake> *sing*
00:11 < daja77> hmm what might fake think ...
00:11 < owl> daja77: it's the text of "fleischschuld"
00:11 < fake> so schneidet stahl - das fleisch entzwei...
00:12 < rxr> hi daja77
00:12 < daja77> owl: i guessed that ...
00:12 < daja77> hi rxr
00:12 < daja77> rxr: have you recvd my gnokii patch?
00:13 < owl> daja77: hm. k...
00:14 < rxr> daja77: when was it sent ?
00:15 < daja77> 889on saturday, but i haven't recvd it on ml
00:15 < fake> hm, what time... ah.
00:15 < daja77> hm?
00:15 < rxr> daja77: I remeber s.th. but I can not find it in my mail-boxes ...
00:16 < daja77> ok so I'll resend
00:17 < daja77> whatever happened to it :)
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00:20 < tsa> hi all
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00:21 < owl> *gnarf* re
00:23 < daja77> hi tsa
00:24 < daja77> mail sent, hopefully
00:24 < owl> hi tsa
00:24 < owl> hope dies at last...
00:24 < daja77> who
00:24 < owl> who?
00:25 < n00kie> Hey daja :)
00:25 < daja77> who dies
00:25 < n00kie> How are you man?
00:25 < owl> daja77: hope.
00:25 < daja77> hey n00kie
00:25 -!- owl is now known as hope
00:25 < daja77> n00kie: fine thx
00:25 * hope dies.
00:25 < hope> :p
00:25 < daja77> ic
00:26 -!- hope is now known as owl
00:26 < owl> hope died.
00:26 < daja77> bob hope died
00:26 < owl> bob?
00:26 < daja77> yes today
00:26 < owl> O_o
00:27 < n00kie> bob der baumeister
00:27 < n00kie> :)
00:27 < daja77> bob hope, american actor and entertainer
00:27 < n00kie> ah
00:27 < n00kie> Yeah, I heard from him
00:27 < n00kie> He was 100years old.
00:27 < daja77> he was 90
00:27 < owl> *g* ah so... this hope.
00:27 < n00kie> 90?
00:27 < n00kie> Nah, 100?
00:27 < owl> 90, 100 - stone old
00:27 < daja77> they said 90
00:28 < daja77> yes stone old
00:28 < owl> they're fscking liars :ppp
00:28 < n00kie> hmm
00:28 < n00kie> in austrian tv they said 100
00:29 < daja77> he even made bad jokes about his age :)
00:29 < owl> ask the almighty internet
00:29 < daja77> ask the big owl
00:29 * daja77 hides
00:30 * owl looks around searching for a big owl and can't find his/her/it
00:30 < n00kie> BOfH
00:30 < n00kie> Bastard Owl from Hell :)
00:30 < owl> *lol*
00:30 < daja77> hmm and I thought owl can see everything at night
00:30 < daja77> owls
00:31 < owl> daja77: nah. /me not. i'm a blind owl. you see?
00:31 < n00kie> lol
00:31 < daja77> i c now, yes
00:31 < daja77> :)
00:31 < owl> now? why just now?
00:32 < daja77> hmm dunno haven't paid much attention to it before
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00:32 < owl> i c.
00:33 < daja77> owls are interesting animals
00:33 < n00kie> what animals do owls eat?
00:33 < daja77> mice, rats and stuff
00:34 < daja77> I once saw one in england who could turn her head 270 degree
00:36 * fake nirvana - Jesus Doesn't Want Me For A Sunbeam
00:36 < n00kie> Nirvana is cool
00:36 < n00kie> I like "Where did you sleep last night" most
00:36 < owl> rats - *roflmao* yes... but just pieces of them...
00:37 < daja77> deadrat pieces, yeah
00:37 < fake> o/~ don't spank me tonight... o/~
00:38 < fake> n00kie: that's nice, too. do you know 'where did you sleep last nig
00:38 < n00kie> yeah :)
00:38 < owl> dead rat... nah... .oO( i'm so happy, that nobody can read my thoughts)
00:38 < n00kie> But I don't have much music from them
00:38 < n00kie> only these songs:
00:39 < fake> n00kie: ht ? but polly is also great
00:39 * daja77 trying to read owls thoughts
00:39 < owl> permission denied
00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - Come As You Are.mp3
00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - Lake Of Fire.mp3
00:39 < n00kie> nirvana - last song Kurt Cobain Wrote!!RARE!.mp3
00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - sleep last night.mp3
00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - The Man Who Sold The World.mp3
00:39 < daja77> chmod 777 /dev/owl/brain
00:39 < tsa>  > /dev/owl/brain
00:40 < fake> hi tsa!
00:40 < fake> tsa: aufm linuxtag hast du was verpasst...
00:40 < tsa> oh, wassn?
00:41 < daja77> btw https://mirbsd.bsdadvocacy.org:8890/lxtag/comrad.mpg
00:41 < daja77> linuxtag video from the holarse booth, cool music
00:42 < daja77> tsa: sex, drugs and rock *ggg*
00:43 < tsa> hehe
00:43 < n00kie> err, 16megs?
00:43 < tsa> sex?
00:43 < tsa> hm..
00:43 < fake> hex, drugs and rock?
00:43 < tsa> hehe
00:44 < daja77> 16megs, yes
00:46 < owl> np: sisters of mercy - i was wrong
00:46 < fake> which song?
00:47 < owl> fake: sisters of mercy - i was wrong.mp3
00:47 < fake> ah
00:47 < fake> aeh
00:47 < owl> ah? aeh? *confused*
00:47 < rxr> cool ARM glibc finished ... ;-)
00:47 < rxr> Maybe I have ROCK Linux running on my Psion Revo soon
00:47 < fake> damn, sister of mercy is on some cd...
00:48 < rxr> damn that the tiny thing only has 8MB RAM ...
00:48 < owl> rxr: congrats
00:48 < owl> fake: hm. dcc?
00:48 < fake> rxr: ww
00:48 < tsa> hi rxr
00:48 < fake> rxr: wee
00:48 < fake> owl: nack, will go to bed soon
00:48 < owl> fake: oki.
00:50 < fake> owl: besides, i know i have that song, and i'd search it rather then getting it again, just to proof i have it, and it'd be a long search...
00:50 * n00kie reboot
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00:50 < owl> fake: oki... "vision thing" album... (if you have it) ;)
00:50 * daja77 sings: ... the maestro says it's mozart but it sounds like bubblegum ...
00:51 < owl> wtf? O_o daja77 - are you sure, you feel well?
00:51 < daja77> yepp it is just from a song ...
00:51 < owl> yes... but i'm feeling a bit shocked you're listening to such a song...
00:52 < daja77> you are shocked, why that O_o
00:52 < owl> daja77: because of the lyrics...
00:52 * daja77 np leonard cohen - waiting for the miracle
00:53 < daja77> there is more strange stuff in it :)
00:53 < owl> hmm. k.
00:53 < tsa> aah, nice. sendmail patch applied ;)
00:54 < tsa> thx, rxr ;)
00:54 * daja77 ... if you are squeezed for information, that's when you have to play the dumb ...
00:55 < fake> owl: i have that
00:55 < owl> fake: k. ;)
00:55 < daja77> fake: next year we should be louder than the xine guys
00:56 < owl> daja77: lauder than xine guys?
00:56 < fake> daja77: aye!
00:56 < daja77> yepp xine booth was on the other side
00:57 < rxr> regtest started - good night
00:57 < daja77> n8 rxr
00:57 < fake> n8 rene!
00:57 < owl> hrm.. /me looks innocently at her stereo anlage and thinks "might i should take it with me" (if on LT or so)
00:57 < owl> gn8 rxr
00:57 < daja77> owl: just do it :)
00:58 < owl> daja77: well ;p
00:59 * fake is tired
01:00 * daja77 too
01:00 < fake> i'd go to bed if the music weren't so good
01:00 < daja77> hehe
01:01 < owl> tired? tststs.
01:01 < daja77> let's be alone together *rofl*
01:01 < owl> <-- not tired, because got up at about 15 o'clock
01:01 < daja77> night owl
01:02 * fake got woken up at ~7:00 (with a mug of hot, steaming coffee)
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01:02 < owl> fake: O_o by your mum?
01:02 < daja77> wtf I read streaming coffee now >_<
01:02 < owl> daja77: why nightß
01:03 < daja77> you are a night owl
01:03 < fake> owl: no, holli's girlfriend. we slept in yest
01:03 < fake> owl: we fell asleep yesterday alltogether ;)
01:03 < tsa> ..on top of each other? ;)
01:03 < owl> fake: hehe. oki ;)
01:03 < fake> tsa: no, ontop of damn comfortable couches.
01:04 < owl> tsa is the man with the evil thoughts
01:04 < tsa> never.
01:04 < fake> tsa IS the evil
01:04 < daja77> damn I want to go to bed, but now fake starts to tell the interesting stories
01:04 < fake> ph34r d4 +54
01:04 < tsa> hehe
01:04 * fake is quiet now
01:04 < daja77> ok n8 you all then :P
01:05 < tsa> cu daja77
01:05 < fake> daja77: because i'll go to bed now, too
01:05 < owl> gn8 daja77
01:05 < daja77> fake: ok then tell me later ;-)
01:05 < daja77> n8 tsa
01:06 < fake> daja77: good night!
01:08 < fake> n8 owl, tsa
01:08 < owl> gn8 fake
01:09 < owl> well tsa - now we are left in this room... *vbeg*
01:09 < tsa> oh-oh.
01:09 < tsa> time to leave, it seems
01:10 < owl> haha. might you're ph34ring me? ;)
01:10 < tsa> uhm..definitely not.
01:10 < owl> then you're right. /me kicks tsa until he dies
01:10 < owl> not? O_o why not?
01:11 < tsa> why should i?
01:11 < owl> because /me != "lieb, brav, nett" --> always kicking people and so
01:12 < tsa> i don't see a reason to be scared - you're far enough away from here.
01:13 < owl> *sniff* you realized that.
01:13 < owl> anyways - i'm joining the "i'm going off now" people. gn8
01:14 < tsa> hehe
01:14 < tsa> n8
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01:35 < tsa> n8
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02:27 < gomer> re
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03:01 < gomer> n8
04:01 < dennis> gn8 gomer
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07:11 < blindcoder> moin
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07:22 < netrunner> moin
07:24 < blindcoder> moin netrunner
07:30 < netrunner> kewl, xfree86 fails again.
07:32 < blindcoder> why?
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09:20 < fake> mornin
09:26 < fake> rxr: ping
09:29 < rxr> re
09:29 < rxr> moin fake
09:31 < rxr> currentl desktop build:
09:31 < rxr> 719 builds total, 99 completed fine, 0 with errors.
09:34 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:35 < blindcoder> kdebase takes ages to compile... and I thought kfree took long >_<
09:37 < blindcoder> s/kfree/xfree/
09:47 < rxr> how are you cluster builds doing ?
09:51 < blindcoder> could be better...
09:52 < blindcoder> had the problem with tuxcursor and xfree which cost me 7 hours
09:52 < blindcoder> right now it's at 5-kdebase (building for 4 hours now)
09:52 < blindcoder> and somethings screwed up with 5-mew
09:53 < blindcoder> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./temp.el -f mew-compile
09:53 < blindcoder> Compiling /R.src/mew-3.3rc2/mew-addrbook.el...
09:53 < blindcoder> While compiling toplevel forms in file /R.src/mew-3.3rc2/mew-addrbook.el:
09:53 < blindcoder>   !! File error (("Cannot open load file" "pp"))
09:53 < blindcoder> no idea about that...
09:53 < rxr> blindcoder: how fast are the CPUs?
09:53 < blindcoder> 700 MHz
09:54 < blindcoder> so it's fine that kdebase is still building
09:54 < rxr> a - ok. the 3-4 hours in kdebase should be ok
09:54 < blindcoder> yes.
09:54 < rxr> it only takes one hour (or so) here ...
09:54 < blindcoder> some other kde-packages are already built on other machine
09:54 < blindcoder> s
09:54 < rxr> hehe ;-)
09:54 < blindcoder> hmm... it takes around 1.5 hours o my 1.8 GHz machine
09:55 < rxr> ah yes - it takes longer with each new gcc version ... :-(
09:55 < rxr> but they promisse that they get the slow compiler faster in the upcomming major releases ...
09:55 * rxr buying rolls and having breakfast - cu
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09:56 < blindcoder> an guadn
09:56 < blindcoder> hi starlord
09:56 < starlord> anyone using homepna? and where do i see packages available in rock? dont see any links in new website
09:56 < starlord> hi
10:05 < blindcoder> homepna?
10:05 < blindcoder> what's that?
10:05 < starlord> network going through phonelines :)
10:06 < starlord> 1Mbit is max i belive
10:06 < blindcoder> packages are here: http://www.rocklinux.net/packages/
10:06 < blindcoder> hmm... i see
10:07 < starlord> i dont need homepna working during install,but after that i need it
10:08 < starlord> btw.does install iso come with parted?
10:08 < blindcoder> hmm.. I don't know if there's a homepna package in ROCK...
10:09 < blindcoder> it should, moment, I'll have a look
10:09 < blindcoder> yes, it does
10:11 < starlord> what kernel version? i heard that 2.5.73+ comes with good pna support
10:17 < blindcoder> You can choose between 2.4.21 and current 2.6
10:19 < starlord> 2.6 any problems with that?
10:20 < blindcoder> haven't tried, to be honest
10:21 < blindcoder> personally I prefer stable release for kernel
10:21 < blindcoder> netrunner: here?
10:28 < starlord> damm,i'm browsing packages and dont see java :)
10:29 < blindcoder> correct
10:29 < blindcoder> the license forbids us to redistribute it.
10:31 < starlord> hmm,thats right,forgot about that
10:34 < owl> *gnarf* morning
10:34 < blindcoder> GOH-Narf. moin moin owly
10:34 < owl> hi blindy
10:34 < blindcoder> GUH-Narf, I mean :)
10:34 < owl> hm. gun-narf...
10:34 < owl> *har*
10:35 < blindcoder> owl: I hope you have rested well. :-)
10:35 < owl> blindcoder: not really... "vergangenheit" follwed me in my "dreams" thx. and you?
10:36 < blindcoder> Me? I'm hungry.
10:36 < owl> dict hungry - No definitions found for "hungry"
10:37 < daja77> moin
10:37 < owl> hi daja77
10:38 < daja77> hi owl
10:38 < blindcoder> hi daja77
10:39 < blindcoder> daja77: looks like I'll be bale to attend dev-meeting ^^
10:39 < blindcoder> crash@apollo:~$ dict hungry
10:39 < blindcoder> 2 definitions found
10:39 < blindcoder> owl: update your dict :P
10:41 < owl> blindcoder: hm. updating the dict in brain is not possible... "no space left on device" - brain not large enough... oops. forgot. not possible to insert data if there is no brain *har*
10:41 < blindcoder> at least you accept it :D
10:42 < owl> accpeting the own dumb is the only way you can choos, or am i wrong? you have no option. cuz you're not able to upgrade the hardware
10:43 < blindcoder> wel, you can update some parts of human hardware
10:45 < owl> e.g.?
10:48 < esden> good morning everyone
10:49 < owl> hi esden *kick*
10:50 < esden> *yawn*
10:50 < blindcoder> esden: hi there :)
10:51 < blindcoder> esden: as it is now, I am able to attend dev-meeting completely :-)
10:51 < owl> .oO( yawning esden - he might should be kicked until he finally awakes *vbeg* )
10:51 < blindcoder> owl: well, maybe he isn't really here yet
10:52 < blindcoder> owl: just the usual "morning everyone" after he gets up and the next time you read him it's 8 hours later
10:53 < owl> hihi. you know him too well...
10:53 < owl> but anyways... i'm in kicking-mood... but noone and/or nothing in RL i could kick... *sigh*
10:55 < blindcoder> hmm... I'm thinking about buying a PCMCIA GPS Card
10:56 < owl> hmmm.... and device to insert it...?
10:57 < blindcoder> Zeros iPaq
10:57 < blindcoder> he doesn't really use it, so I can borrow it any time
10:57 < esden> hmm ... the spalshscreens look great ... 
10:57 < esden> perhups we can ask Miroslav Strugarevic to create a t-shirt design for rock?
10:58 < blindcoder> esden: are you here now?
10:58 < owl> Miroslav Strugarevic? who is this?
10:58 < esden> blindcoder: I am very happy to see you at the rldm V.02
10:58 < esden> owl: look at the rocklinux site ... 
10:59 < owl> hrm
10:59 < esden> blindcoder: I try to be ...
10:59 < esden> blindcoder: but I may lag a bit ... (hopefully not ...)
10:59 < blindcoder> esden: what would you think about a PCMCIA GPS Device?
11:00 < esden> blindcoder: If you want to buy me one I will not say no ;)
11:00 < blindcoder> http://www.gps-shop.com/p321.html <-- that one looks nice
11:00 < esden> urgl 270EUR
11:01 < esden> but it looks nice yes
11:01 < esden> how is the support under linux?
11:01 < esden> blindcoder: you must not buy anything that is not working under linux ...
11:01 < esden> or at least it is beeing clamed that it works under linux ;)
11:01 < daja77> blindcoder: bale?
11:02 < blindcoder> daja77: able
11:02 < daja77> d'oh i see, great :)
11:02 < blindcoder> esden: I doubt that any of these devices have usable linux support
11:02 < esden> blindcoder: there is some software for gps navigation for linux
11:02 < daja77> yes there is
11:03 < esden> so it is possible that there are also some drivers for gps stuff for linux
11:03 < daja77> hi esden ^
11:03 < esden> hi daja77 *hug* ;)
11:03 < daja77> hmm rammi is a designer?
11:03 < daja77> esden: *rehug*
11:03 * -> esden hugging blindcoder post factum
11:04 < esden> hmm ... how is greet in latin?
11:04 < blindcoder> esden: link? to software?
11:04 < daja77> never had latin
11:04 < esden> blindcoder: http://www.google.de 
11:04 < esden> dunno ... sorry
11:05 < daja77> pointing people to google is fun :)
11:05 < esden> blindcoder: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-996171.html
11:06 < esden> but you get that link when you type "gps navigation linux" in google ... so why do I post it here ? ;)
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11:07 < daja77> cos you are (l)userfriendly *GGG*
11:08 < esden> ohhh yess .. I am so damn (l)userfriendly ;) ...
11:08 < daja77> *gna* the program is called gps, what a name
11:09 * -> esden is teking out his chainsaw whose name is "(l)user exterminator"
11:09 < blindcoder> well, I'll have lunch now.
11:09 < blindcoder> byebye
11:09 < owl> guten hunger.
11:09 < esden> cu blindcoder have fun
11:09 < daja77> my build die in a strange way O_o
11:10 < owl> was it killed by esden 's chainsaw?
11:11 < daja77> think so
11:11 < owl> hrm
11:11 < daja77> nah it died alone, quiet
11:12 < owl> dying alone... poor build... /me feels sorrow for the build
11:12 < daja77> doesn't help it ...
11:13 < owl> yes. i know...
11:13 < daja77> ok gps is not for gps navigation
11:13 < daja77> this sucks half a year ago I found a really nice app for that, but forgot it's name
11:14 < daja77> anyway gps stuff is too expensive for me
11:15 * daja77 off for breakfast now
11:15 < owl> guten hunger
11:15 < daja77> thx
11:16 * -> esden off for breakfast now too
11:16 < owl> guten hunger...
11:48 * blindcoder back
11:48 < owl> wb blindcoder
11:49 < blindcoder> thx owly
11:49 < blindcoder> wow
11:49 < owl> hm? wow?
11:49 < blindcoder> 5 hours 30 minutes for kdebase31
11:49 < owl> is this long or short?
11:50 < blindcoder> well... a bit longer than xfree :-)
11:51 < owl> hmm.
11:54 * owl np: diva destruction - the broken ones *sigh*
11:54 < knoti_> moin
11:55 < owl> hi knoti_
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11:58 < owl> hi cchamilt
11:58 < cchamilt> hi
12:02 < blindcoder> moin chris
12:03 < cchamilt> hi blindcoder
12:05 < fake> owl: good idea
12:06 < owl> fake: hm? diva destruction...?
12:08 -!- msp[] [m@pD9538026.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
12:09 < owl> hi msp[]
12:09 < msp[]> moin owl
12:09 * msp[] yawns
12:10 < owl> msp = microsoft project?
12:10 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-158-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
12:10 < owl> hi capchaos !
12:11 < msp[]> m is my forename abbreviated, sp is my surname abbreviated ;-)
12:11 < owl> *g* k.
12:11 < capchaos> Bonjour, hibou
12:11 * blindcoder sees an array and thinks about push'ing it :-)
12:12 < msp[]> lol
12:12 < owl> *har blindcoder - you're evil
12:12 < blindcoder> owl: no, I just saw way too much perl the last two days
12:12 < owl> k.
12:13 * -> esden sees an array and thinks about writing a parsing algorithm ... >_<
12:13 < esden> it is a sure indication that I wrote too many >_<
12:19 < fake> owl: yes
12:19 < owl> fake: hm. k.
12:20 < fake> msp[]: can you be referenced in the pointer-style, too?
12:21 < gomer> re
12:21 < msp[]> Heh
12:22 < msp[]> I think I should consider choosing a new nick 8-)
12:41 < blindcoder> hmm
12:41 < blindcoder> okay, that's about all I need to know to buy that GPS-Device :-)
12:41 < blindcoder> http://freshmeat.net/projects/gpsdrive/?topic_id=234
12:43 < esden> aaaaaargggggghh I want a gps device!!!!
12:43 < esden> *cry*
12:49 * daja77 crying too
12:50 < daja77> kde 3.1.3 is out ...
12:51 < esden> daja77: I can live without it ;)
12:52 < daja77> yeah but I'll need it to build the generic isos soon, hours of downloading ...
12:53 < daja77> damn I still had no breakfast
12:53 < daja77> cu
12:57 < knoti_> rehi
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13:07 < fake> 0esden: how is the output plugin decoupler doing?
13:23 < esden> fake: I have currently other problems then that ... I have to pack stuff for moving to an other flat
13:24 < esden> and I most likely have to write a patch for gnu-netcat 
13:24 < esden> because it is not stopping connection when I want it to stop it .... >_<
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13:26 < esden> ok ... I hope I have enough to drive now to munich ..
13:26 < esden> cu guys
13:31 < SMP> cchamilt: Create-Target is cool! ;)
13:32 < cchamilt> thanks
13:33 < cchamilt> test it and tell me what i screwed up :)
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14:07 < v1r422> hi
14:07 < v1r422> ich have a question
14:07 < daja77> hi
14:08 < v1r422> i tried to install rock-2.0.0-beta6
14:08 < v1r422> and during the installationprocess i get mesasages about some insmod errors
14:09 < v1r422> so i think, there are missing modules, is this possible, because beta6 is "marked as stable"
14:09 < daja77> what is your problem exactly?
14:10 < v1r422> insmod failed to load some iso8859-1 and nls, which is not really critical :)
14:10 < daja77> known issue
14:10 < v1r422> hm
14:10 < v1r422> but the major problem is ...
14:11 < v1r422> that lilo wasnt running - and the script post-install was missing to
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14:12 < daja77> v1r422: which beta6 have you used?
14:12 < v1r422> 2.0.0
14:12 < v1r422> question
14:12 < daja77> no, I mean which target, generic, drock or?
14:13 < v1r422> is lilo running over the post.install-script ?
14:13 < v1r422> drock
14:13 < v1r422> because lilo was´nt running
14:13 < daja77> for some strange reason drock shows that bugs on some computers
14:13 < v1r422> and next problem: there is /bin/sh missing
14:15 < v1r422> i tried to install lilo through knoppix with chroot to rock - but as i said before /bin/sh was missing, so i cant install lilo
14:15 < v1r422> do you have an idea ?
14:15 < v1r422> try another distri ? ;)
14:17 < daja77> yes try generic isos
14:18 < v1r422> hm - whats the difference between generic and drock ?
14:18 < daja77> package selection and kernel config is different
14:19 * daja77 hopes that rc1 is out soon
14:19 < daja77> I just know that on some machines where drock didn't work, generic works
14:19 < v1r422> hm
14:20 < daja77> hope rxr does not beat me for that *ggg*
14:20 < v1r422> i hope the installtion-process works :D
14:20 < daja77> yepp
14:20 < v1r422> rxr ?`
14:20 < cchamilt> no desktop is intentionally not server capable
14:20 < daja77> cchamilt: ?
14:20 < cchamilt> no smp, some scsi functions are pulled
14:21 < cchamilt> no clue why rxr bothered to 'cripple' it but he did
14:21 < v1r422> thats ok - i build my kernel on my own
14:21 < daja77> well that doesn't explain why drock failes on some machines even when it has the same base like generic
14:22 < cchamilt> i assume if rxr ever gets a x86-64 system, all of the sudden smp will be in desktop :)
14:22 < daja77> hehe
14:23 < v1r422> other question: is it normal, that the install-process support xfs for my partitions
14:23 < v1r422> but the kernel not
14:23 < daja77> no this is a known bug ;-)
14:23 < cchamilt> that is a bug that has been reported i think
14:23 < v1r422> aha - ok
14:23 < v1r422> does generic support xfs ?
14:23 < daja77> haven't tried
14:24 < cchamilt> no idea either, doubtful
14:24 < SMP> no, we don't have the xfs patch for 2.4 anywhere
14:24 < SMP> also no xfsprogs
14:24 < daja77> thx SMP
14:25 < daja77> this is strange
14:26 < v1r422> no problem - anyway you helped me
14:26 < daja77> np
14:26 < v1r422> cu - greets to the lug-in-members
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14:28 < rolla> re
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14:30 < v1r422> its me again :)
14:31 < v1r422> so where do you get the generic iso´s, or aren´t there some
14:32 < v1r422> its a little bit difficult, because there are some link/page errors oh the rocklinux-websites
14:37 < daja77> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-beta6/generic/
14:38 < daja77> hi rolla
14:42 < v1r422> thank you - found it in the same second :)
14:42 < daja77> *ggg*
14:44 < v1r422> are http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/____rock____/stable/2.0.0-beta6/generic/ and http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/___drock___/stable/2.0.0-beta6/generic/ the same ?
14:44 < rolla> yawn
14:44 < daja77> yes
14:44 < v1r422> ok
14:45 < daja77> boring rolla *ggg*
14:45 < daja77> cool the linuxtag notes are now on hp
14:47 < v1r422> thank you again - bye
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14:47 < owl> remoin *yawn*
14:51 < daja77> sleepy owl
14:51 < owl> yeah... sleeping is still a bit better than reality....
14:52 < daja77> at least you can create your own fantasies *ggg*
14:52 * blindcoder going home
14:52 < blindcoder> byebye
14:52 < owl> hmmmm... at least sometimes
14:52 < owl> bye blindcoder
14:52 < daja77> bye blindcoder l
14:52 < daja77> -l
14:53 < owl> WAAAAAAAAAH! the first you're hearing after awakening, is a "rasenmaeher"
14:53 < daja77> do you see the correlation
14:54 < owl> hm?
14:55 < daja77> zusammenhang
14:55 < owl> ja... but why?
14:55 < owl> don't think i woke up because of this
14:55 < daja77> ok well ...
14:56 < rolla> hallo daja77
14:56 < daja77> :)
14:57 < owl> hi rolla
14:58 * owl np: tanzwut - der waechter
15:12 * fake wants to leave
15:12 < daja77> leave what
15:12 < fake> work
15:12 * daja77 lazy at home atm
15:27 < rolla> yawnb
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15:27 < owl> hi A-Tui
15:27 * daja77 throws a chewing gum into rolla's open mouth
15:27 < A-Tui> hola owl
15:27 < daja77> hi A-Tui
15:27 < A-Tui> hi daja77
15:28 < rolla> thanks
15:28 * rolla is waiting for pacages to download so he can build rock again
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15:35 < rolla> wow I have missed alot by not reading the ML
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15:52 * daja77 off now
15:52 < daja77> cu
15:52 < owl> bye daja77
15:55 < owl> svn: RA layer request failed
15:55 < owl> svn: The path was not part of a repository
15:55 < owl> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/'
15:55 < owl> svn: PROPFIND of '/': 400 Bad Request (http://schillernet.dyndns.org)
15:55 < owl> wtf is this?
15:56 < rolla> suck
15:56 < daja77> rxr's site possibly down again
15:56 < owl> nah. having it everytime i'm using svn
15:56 < daja77> proxy?
15:57 < owl> router
15:58 < daja77> do you habe a proxy somewhere?
15:58 < owl> nope
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15:59 < daja77> hmm strange
15:59 < owl> hmm.
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16:12 < starlord> what packages does install isos install when i choose generic or desktop or are those customizable?
16:13 < esden> re hi all
16:13 < esden> starlord: they are customizable ... you can choose the preselection and after that alter the package selection
16:14 < starlord> oh,good, i thought when i choose desktop it installs kde and gnome ;)
16:16 < esden> and i think you confused something ... you are not installing anythng when you choose a target ...
16:17 < esden> this is only the selection of packages that will be built for inclusion on a resulting install iso
16:17 < esden> when you install the system you still can choose the packets you finally want to have on your system
16:19 < starlord> but those install isos does contain prebuilt stuff too?
16:22 < esden> install isos contain only prebuilt stuff
16:24 < starlord> is there dev "doc" in website, i cant find it, i know now that java isnt supported(?) so i need to create own script for it,for example like in gentoo,tell user to download file and compile it from that, and later date when sun is changing licence it can be redistributed normally
16:27 < esden> starlord: there are docs in the source tree of rock ... and there is a handbook http://www.rocklinux.org/handbook.html
16:28 < esden> and a whole part of the main website of rock is dedicated for documentation ;) http://www.rocklinux.org/doc.html
16:31 < starlord> oh,thanks,handbook is great :)
16:33 < esden> nothing to thank for
16:33 < esden> how do I say "nothing to thank for" in finish (excuse me if I spelled it wrong)?
16:46 < starlord> hmm,something like:ei tarvi kiittää or like it usually say when someone is thanking me:ei mitään :) my english sucks
16:46 < starlord> or like it =or like i
16:47 < esden> ok then: ei mitaeaen
16:47 < esden> ;)
16:49 < owl> .oO(/me wonders who esden wants to thank)
16:49 < starlord> oh,in german you keyboard doesnt have latin chars? or what thats called....
16:50 < owl> hehe. not esden 's keyboard... he's using dvorak (am i right, esden ?)
16:52 < esden> owl: no I only want to say that starlord does not have to thank ;) ... i now know how to say it in some languages : german("nichts zu danken") english("nothing to thank for") polish("niema za co") french("de rien") spanish("de nada") finish("ei mitaeaen")
16:52 < esden> I am still waiting to know how to say it in japanese ;)
16:53 < starlord> :)
16:53 < owl> omg.
16:53 < owl> .oO(multilingual dictionary - esden)
16:53 < esden> owl: I am still working on it ;)
16:54 < owl> i know ;p
16:54 < esden> for now I have only 4 languages in my dictionary
16:54 < owl> polish, german, english, french?
16:54 < esden> but they are all not complete :( ... I think that the problem lays in the bad biological hardware I use for the database
16:54 < starlord> where do i find example script,hmm,lets say emacs that i can look out as an example from http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta8/
16:54 < esden> owl: ack
16:55 < owl> omg. /me only 2 (engl, german) ... (and a bit of russian, italian, spanish)
16:55 < esden> starlord: http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta8/package/emacs/
16:55 < esden> argh
16:55 < starlord> i'm thankfull that i know bit of my native lan :)
16:55 < mistik1> re all
16:55 < esden> starlord: http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta8/package/rene/emacs/
16:55 < owl> hi mistik1
16:56 < esden> hi mistik1!!!
16:56 < mistik1> the little box i built couldn't take all that IO traffic I guess
16:56 < mistik1> heh
16:56 < esden> mistik1: your highway infrastructure in your box needs to get updated ;)
16:57 < mistik1> indeed :)
16:57 < mistik1> I'll just have to wait till I have a case for the athlon I suppose
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16:58 < owl> wb fake
16:58 < fake> re
16:58 < esden> mistik1: humm ... I would be happy to have a new athlon ... a box is not the main point ...
16:58 < esden> huhu fake!!!
16:58 < fake> hi esden
16:59 * fake remotley updated his gw from 2.4.14 to 2.4.21...
16:59 < esden> fake: nice
16:59 < fake> can't believe it just rebooted into it...
16:59 < fake> i was so sure to make a mistake
16:59 < mistik1> you doubt yourself your padawan
16:59 < owl> why shouldn't it boot without erros?
16:59 < owl> +r
17:00 < mistik1> s/your/young/
17:00 < fake> i wasn't even sure if it's a tekram dc930 or an adaptec scsi controller...
17:01 < mistik1> haha
17:01 < fake> aha2940
17:02 < owl> wtf is a padawan?
17:02 < blindcoder> hmm
17:02 < starlord> havent you seen star wars?
17:02 < starlord> :)
17:02 < blindcoder> I really think about reimplementing Create-PkgQueue
17:03 < starlord> shit,was it start wars?
17:03 < starlord> s/start/star
17:03 < owl> starlord: hmmm... i saw...
17:03 < owl> +t
17:04 < owl> +i
17:04 < owl> -t -i +it
17:05 < fake> starlord: yes
17:05 * fake is away, cathin' the train
17:06 < owl> have fun, enjoy the hot train... :p bye, fake
17:06 < fake> thanks
17:06 < mistik1> owl: a padawan is a young Jedi in training ;)
17:07 < owl> mistik1: ah. k. *g*
17:07 < esden> owl: you really have to work on your basic knowledge ... 
17:08 < owl> esden: why should i?
17:08 < starlord> hmm,didnt know that it was jedi,only knew that it was in star wars
17:08 < esden> owl: because you ask questions about stuff that is really basic knowledge ;)
17:08 < esden> starlord: so you also have to work on your basic knowledge ;)
17:08 < owl> esden: nah... and i see no reason why i should improve my basic knowledge or every other knowledge...
17:09 < mistik1> uh oh, I created a monster :)
17:10 < owl> created a monster? a zombie? well. kewl. send it over to me. if i'm having luck it's a amok-running-monster
17:11 < mistik1> haha
17:11 < owl> why are you laughing?
17:11 < rolla> :)
17:14 < esden> owl: so why are you asking when you do not want to know anything more?
17:15 < owl> esden: because i did
17:20 < owl> <-- off now
17:20 < owl> bye
17:22 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
17:22 < blindcoder> Sometimes I wonder if this hadn't been faster if we just had run a compile on my 1800 MHvz machine >_<
17:22 < rolla> :)
17:23 < rolla> blindcoder: is it a athlon?
17:23 < blindcoder> The Cluster-Build is completely broken. Period.
17:23 < blindcoder> rolla: no, a P4
17:23 < rolla> hmm
17:24 < blindcoder> imlib builds perfectly, but gnome-libs14 can't use it.
17:24 < blindcoder> and other funny things
17:24 < blindcoder> if you want to do yourself a favor, then NEVER TRY TO BUILD ROCK LINUX IN A CLUSTER!!!
17:25 < rolla> :)
17:25 < esden> blindcoder: if you had run it on your box you would not debug so much stuff ...
17:25 < cchamilt> rehi
17:25 < blindcoder> I think about sending a patch to the mailing-list with a patch that completely remove it.
17:26 < blindcoder> esden: it's completely broken! it's utterly useless!
17:26 < esden> blindcoder: count to ten first ... and take a deep breath
17:26 < blindcoder> esden: I counted to ten many times on the train today.
17:26 < esden> blindcoder: so make it usable ...
17:26 < cchamilt> the cluster build was never tested well
17:26 < cchamilt> i think you are the first really.
17:26 < blindcoder> esden: that would need a complete re-implementation. But I consider making this suggestion on the DevMeeting
17:26 < blindcoder> cchamilt: it was tested.. at the time it was implemented.
17:26 < esden> blindcoder: dietlibc target is also totaly unusable ... but I do not remove it 
17:27 < esden> but try to make it usable instead
17:27 < blindcoder> But then noone bothered touching it again.
17:27 < cchamilt> i think it cant scale well, maybe 8 nodes at the most.
17:27 < esden> cchamilt: that is right
17:27 < blindcoder> cchamilt: even with 4 nodes it failed to build anything past Xfree
17:27 < esden> cchamilt: I think that the -j solution was scaling better
17:27 < cchamilt> yes, but clifford could only do it once i think, i never tried it and i was supposed to.
17:27 < esden> but the problem is that -j can not be run on many different machines
17:27 < cchamilt> it was just when i blew up my cluster.
17:28 < cchamilt> is it just dependencies or actual flaky code?
17:28 < blindcoder> well, of 888 builds, 88 failed. And when I eleted all *err files and restarted the build, around 10 of them built, the rest failed again
17:29 < blindcoder> mostly begause of 5-gnome-libs14 failing because it can't find a usable imlib.
17:29 < blindcoder> cchamilt: both.
17:29 < cchamilt> rock svn isnt exactly at its best right now...
17:30 < blindcoder> cchamilt: missing(!) dependancies, 2 versions of a library that overwrite each other and arenot backwards-compatible (imlib) and code that wasn't tested on more than one node.
17:30 < blindcoder> and best of all, rene seems to be ignoring esden's and my patches regarding those issues.
17:30 < blindcoder> nfs-utils wasn't applied yet and tuxcursor neither.
17:31 < cchamilt> yes, he may have some priority problems.  as usual his goals are not necessarily others...
17:31 < esden> blindcoder: rxr is missing many patches ... that are not only our's
17:31 < cchamilt> at least we have arm support. right?
17:31 < esden> o_O
17:32 < cchamilt> i wonder if rc-1 will wait till arm builds :)
17:32 * cchamilt stab rene in back heh
17:32 < cchamilt> not that i am not guilty of flinging features.
17:33 < esden> cchamilt: I also have some stuff to do that should be ready since ages ...
17:33 < cchamilt> of course mine our not really trying to be merged, just annoy the mailing list
17:33 < esden> but currently I am preparing a move >_<
17:34 < esden> and doing it alone is pretty time consuming ... 
17:34 < esden> nobody has time because of work
17:34 < esden> or not in munich
17:35 < cchamilt> that would be hard
17:36 < esden> ok ... I go get some boxes out of my car
17:36 * -> esden brb
17:36 < cchamilt> supermarkets are a good source of boxes
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17:43 < jsaw> re
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17:47 < esden> re
17:49 < blindcoder> gpsdrive is sweet
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17:49 < cytrinox> ping owl
17:49 < tfing> hi
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17:49 < cytrinox> hi
17:49 < blindcod1r> gpsdrive is sweet
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17:52 < blindcoder> ah, nothing like circular dependencies
17:53 < blindcoder> libgnome22 depends on acme22
17:53 < blindcoder> acme22 depends on libgnomui22
17:53 < blindcoder> libgnomeui depends on libgnome22
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17:54 < rammi> helow.!:)
17:55 < esden> blindcoder: the dependances should be put in a directional graph ... and the circularity's removed ...
17:56 < esden> at least they should be detected ... but still a human will be needed to remove the circularitys
17:56 < esden> (sigh another point on my todo list for this summer
17:56 < esden> )
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18:03 < blindcoder> You are about to download 72373254 file(s).
18:03 < blindcoder> hrm... maybe... just maybe... I chose a few map-files too much...
18:03 < blindcoder> You are about to download 6615184 file(s).
18:04 < blindcoder> already a few less :-)
18:04 * rolla is bored
18:05 < esden> rolla: if you are bored you could write a script to solve the circular dependancy problem ;)
18:05 < esden> blindcoder: no ... I only want to use the dep list and the flist files ...
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18:10 < blindcoder> I really like gpsdrive :D
18:10 < blindcoder> it has a built-in rip-microsoft-feature :D
18:13 < esden> rip-micro$oft-feature?
18:14 * -> esden is feeling like boiled ... >_<
18:14 < blindcoder> esden: yes. it can be automated to download maps from www.vicinity.com with your settings
18:14 < esden> hehe ... cool ;)
18:14 < blindcoder> I currently let it download a map of the whole world in 25 km x 25 km pieces :-)
18:15 < blindcoder> 66k files
18:15 < esden> blindcoder: aaaaahhhh you meant that files ...
18:15 < esden> ok
18:15 < blindcoder> yes ^^
18:15 < esden> blindcoder: you confused me ...
18:15 < blindcoder> the 72M files were also maps of the whole world ranging from 2 km to 20000 km squared each ^^
18:16 < esden> the maps also contain seas?
18:16 < blindcoder> yes
18:16 < esden> urgh
18:16 < blindcoder> unfortunately I don't have 72M inodes left on my machine :-)
18:16 < esden> ROFL
18:16 < esden> blindcoder: you should use a database to store the maps
18:16 < blindcoder> just checked, my /home has 9M free inodes
18:17 < blindcoder> yes... yes, I could do that... gpsdrive has SQL support...
18:17 < esden> i know
18:17 < blindcoder> mom, need to read up on this
18:17 < esden> that is why they implementet it for sure ;)
18:17 < blindcoder> erm...
18:17 < blindcoder> I think I can't do that now...
18:17 < blindcoder> I just got two more Episodes of Happy Lesson Advanced ^^
18:18 < esden> *sigh*
18:18 < blindcoder> well, what else can I do?
18:18 < esden> burn these episodes and continue your gps work ;)
18:19 < blindcoder> There won't be any ROCK DVDs at CCCamp due to b0rken Cluster-Build-Feature, my bandwidth is currently hogged by gpsdrive...
18:20 < esden> that is a mess ... but hopefully that would move some people to work on that cluster stuff
18:20 < esden> ;)
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18:22 < blindcoder> you want an honest opinion on that+?
18:22 < n00kie> moin
18:23 < esden> blindcoder: no ... I know it already: "remove the cluster stuff from rock"
18:23 < esden> but that is not the right solution
18:23 < esden> it should be fixed
18:23 < blindcoder> moin n00kie
18:23 < esden> or reimplemented so that it is usable
18:23 < esden> hi n00kie 
18:23 < blindcoder> esden: but who HAS access to a cluster to fix it?
18:23 < esden> blindcoder: we have
18:23 < blindcoder> esden: yes... this week...
18:23 < blindcoder> Saturday I have to give it back...
18:23 < esden> no ... also l8er we will have access to it 
18:24 < esden> blindcoder: nope ... that is not correct
18:24 < esden> we only have to use a box of our own as a master ... and run the node's diskless
18:24 < blindcoder> do you have 4 machines for a cluster?
18:24 < blindcoder> I only have one.. two at the end of the week...
18:25 < esden> and ... if we ask our main admin politely we perhups get also some disk space on that machines
18:25 < blindcoder> that's not enough to trigger those bugs
18:25 < esden> argh blindcoder ... read once more what I wrote ...
18:25 < esden> bingo ... has machines
18:25 < blindcoder> esden: and I repeat: bingo needs those machines starting September for "Schulungen"
18:25 < esden> and?
18:25 < esden> where is the problem?
18:26 < blindcoder> 3027 won't give us any access to those machines as long as they run
18:26 < esden> blindcoder: we get the access
18:26 < esden> I had already permission to do that ...
18:26 < blindcoder> we'd have to tie him up in a storage room to get it. Not I dislike this idea in general, but...
18:26 < esden> we only must not touch the discs
18:27 < esden> blindcoder: do what you want ... but I am against removal of the cluster stuff from the rock tree
18:27 < blindcoder> hmm
18:27 < esden> I am for fixing it ...
18:27 < blindcoder> I don't want it removed either.
18:27 < blindcoder> But fixing it is almost equal to reimplementing it...
18:27 < blindcoder> And I doubt that rene will want that in 2.0
18:27 < esden> blindcoder: no ... investing thinking ...
18:28 < esden> blindcoder: the cluster stuff has to be marked experimental
18:28 < esden> that is all
18:28 < esden> for now
18:28 < esden> the same has to be done with dietlibc target if I do not get it usable till the release
18:28 < blindcoder> well, that for sure..
18:30 < blindcoder> I'm now reconfiguring the target so that it is a single-machine build and fix the packages by hand...
18:30 < blindcoder> maybe I can pull it off to get a usable DVD-Iso till the weekend...
18:31 < blindcoder> although I'm not sure if I also will have time for desktop target...
18:33 < blindcoder> hehe gpsdrive already has 2.8 degrees longitude downloaded :-)
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18:53 < starlord> damm,anyone know good rmvb viewer?
18:54 < jsaw> what's rmvb?
18:54 < starlord> dont know,friend of mine sent it,and he says its movie format
18:55 < esden> real movie?
18:55 < jsaw> then xine
18:55 < jsaw> (what does file say?)
18:57 < jsaw> does anyone know the impact of adding --enable-compat185 to the bdb4* confopt's?
18:57 * -> esden is not a bdb guy
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19:07 < blindcoder> jsaw: that creates a header files which maps the bdb 1.85 calls onte 4.x calls
19:07 < blindcoder> jsaw: it's almost vital if you want to use for example webalizer
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19:20 < rxr> what are teh problems with your cluster build ?
19:22 < rxr> I only have the usual PPC errors on my RS/6000 iBook cluster builds - only very few real cluster issues
19:23 < rxr> damn the qt package got scheduled for the RS/6000 - that takes half a day to build there ...
19:23 < rxr> hm - anyway
19:27 < blindcoder> rxr: for example: imlib imlib2 are perfectly fine, but gnome-libs14 can't find imlib then...
19:28 < blindcoder> rxr: I just deleted $root/var/adm/logs/*imlib* and ran a stand-alone-build
19:28 < gomer> re
19:28 < jsaw> blindcoder: so, why is it not enabled for bdb4[01]?
19:28 < blindcoder> rxr: imlib got copmiled, and afterwards gnome-libs14 built just fin, too
19:28 < blindcoder> jsaw: I have no idea...
19:29 < jsaw> hmm, gnucash now building...
19:29 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll now build as much as possible on the cluster, then move the stuff to my more powerful machine at home and finish compiling there.
19:29 < blindcoder> rxr: with a bit of luck I can provide the ISOs for CCCamp
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20:28 < rxr> rehi owl
20:29 < owl> hi rxr . how are you?
20:38 < rolla> fake?
20:38 < owl> ... is n/a
20:38 < rolla> damn
20:39 < rolla> I might be able to get an octane
20:39 < esden> but I think he should be back soon ...
20:39 < rolla> cool
20:39 < esden> rolla: he is interested for sure 
20:39 * -> esden too ;)
20:39 < rolla> well it is not like I can give it to hom
20:39 < rolla> too heavy to ship
20:39 < esden> full ack
20:39 < SMP> what the fuck ...
20:39 < rolla> yeah there are 2 of them :)
20:39 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@p50839EF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:40 < SMP> is creating the files /1> and /root/1>
20:40 < esden> SMP: that are the singularities in the filesystem
20:41 < SMP> blh
20:41 < christ|an> re
20:41 < SMP> blah
20:41 < esden> SMP: good answer ;)
20:42 < SMP> chipcardd oopses my kernel ;(
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20:42 < christ|an> I have got a little C Problem.
20:42 < christ|an> with the following code
20:43 < esden> SMP: chipcard?
20:44 < SMP> jsaw: I strongly support --enable-compat185, too
20:44 < SMP> esden: the double-d was not an error ;)
20:45 < christ|an>   int zeich;
20:45 < christ|an>   while ( (zeich = getc(stdin)) != EOF)
20:45 < christ|an>   if(putc(zeich, stdout) == EOF)
20:45 < christ|an>   exit(0);
20:45 < christ|an> i dont understand why this code is correct :)
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20:46 < owl> rehi
20:49 < esden> SMP: I thought that the double 'd' was an error ... my error correction algorithms catched that error ;)
20:50 < esden> christ|an: this code is reading chars and printing them back no stdout ... where is the problem?
20:51 < christ|an> Yeah i know what this code is doing
20:51 < christ|an> but:
20:51 < owl> christ|an: www.google.com, www.pronix.de. dot.
20:51 < christ|an> haha owl
20:51 < owl> rls
20:52 < esden> christ|an: do not care about owl ;)
20:52 < esden> christ|an: but?
20:54 < owl> ... 'i'm not able to explain the problem '...
20:55 < esden> owl: you know ... there is such thing called query ;)
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20:55 < owl> esden: i know something? that's something new ;pppp
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20:57 < tsa> hi all
20:57 < owl> hi tsa
20:57 < owl> .oO( the evil appears. *hiding in a dark corner of #rocklinux* )
20:58 < owl> +d
20:59 < blindcoder> *yawn*
20:59 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:59 < owl> hi blindy
21:00 < blindcoder> hi owly ^^
21:06 < tsa> hi blindcoder
21:06 < blindcoder> hi tsa
21:06 < tsa> blindcoder: regarding your libsdl package..
21:06 < esden> hehe ... I love shellscripts ;)
21:06 < tsa> the 1.2.5 is pretty old, i'd suggest to go for cvs.
21:07 < owl> esden: who did you replace with a very small shellscript?
21:07 < esden> owl: you
21:08 < owl> .oO(i thought that)
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21:08 < owl> but as you can see, i'm still here. ... so you couldn't have replaced me
21:09 < esden> no owl ... I replaced you with that small shellscript ... it is not difficult to implement a bot in shellscript that is writing the stuff you write here *lough*
21:09 < rxr> mnemoc: are you really here ?
21:09 < esden> .oO(that was a hard one)
21:09 < rolla> rxr how much do you know about mips?
21:09 < Aard> some people should'nt be root -- `killall -9 screen' as rot on a bigger box with some users.. :)
21:09 < rxr> rolla: not much ...
21:09 < rolla> dang
21:10 < rolla> I need to know if mips is supported on these octanes
21:10 < owl> esden: *kick*
21:11 < blindcoder> tsa: why? do some packages don't like the 1.2.5 release?
21:11 < esden> rolla: nope ... it is a r10000
21:11 < esden> if I remember correctly
21:11 < rolla> :(
21:11 < rolla> so it is worthless
21:11 < esden> they are not supported under linux if I am informed correctly
21:12 < tsa> blindcoder: the 1.2.5 release is ok, but a lot of bugs have been fixed in cvs.
21:12 < blindcoder> Aard: need a lart?
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21:12 < tsa> i'm using sdl from cvs here since about a week or something
21:12 < Aard> blindcoder: not my box.
21:13 < blindcoder> tsa: as I already stated back on samba, I prefer stable releases in core packages... and libsdl is used not only by games so I consider it one... are there "official" patches and fixes? I'd prefer those
21:13 < blindcoder> Aard: oh... okay then ^^
21:13 < Aard> just thinking about writing a better selflart-tool -- killall with regex-support ;)
21:13 < tsa> afaik no.
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21:15 < rxr> for samba clifford and I prefer 3.0 - since we might have a rather script update policy in 2.0 - and might not update a major release during the 2.0 preiod ...
21:18 < blindcoder> rxr: sure. I voiced my opinion back then and accepted the decision of the decision-makers.
21:20 < blindcoder> And since we _are_ nearing -rc1 I prefer _stable_ _releases_. The exception in my own packages is koules because they never released anything outside CVS.
21:22 < esden> blindcoder: SMP reported that kterm is broken
21:22 < esden> SMP: could you voice your problem please?
21:24 < blindcoder> hmm.. it built just fine even on the cluster...
21:24 < SMP> kterm: no available ptys
21:24 < blindcoder> hm... i saw that once...
21:24 < blindcoder> have to dig how I fixed it...
21:26 * SMP hates tidbit
21:26 < SMP> er
21:26 < SMP> tibit
21:27 < SMP>  /usr/etc and such crap in libchipcard
21:27 < blindcoder> ah yes...
21:27 < blindcoder> kterm isn't devfs aware...
21:28 < SMP> (WHY DO PEOPLE NOT TEST THEIR FUCKING PACKAGES?!)
21:28 < SMP> blindcoder: that took you 3 minutes longer to guess than me ...
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21:28 < blindcoder> well, since I have complete MKOLDCOMPAT in /etc/devfsd.conf it takes me a bit longer..
21:29 < blindcoder> I'll look into creating a patch for kterm.
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21:32 < owl> hi Nebukadneza
21:32 < Nebukadneza> owl: hi ...
21:32 < Nebukadneza> @all: sorry 4 wrong nickname
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21:35 < rxr> this gnome-terminal is so brain dead ....
21:35 < SMP> ACK
21:36 < SMP> but it can do tabulator-switching with the keyboard, which konsole can not
21:37 * blindcoder going to sleep
21:37 < blindcoder> good night, everyone!
21:38 < netrunne1> blindcoder: already away?
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21:41 < esden> n8 blindcoder 
21:47 < rxr> sure
21:47 < rxr> shite + left-arrow || right-arrow
21:47 < rxr> this gnome-terminal is too stupid to select a regular expressin with the mouse
21:48 < rxr> it results in too many selected chars - maybe some wide-char recognizing bug ....
21:50 < rxr> SMP: do you have some more lines for the rocknet ?
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21:54 < scoopexH> hi !
21:56 < scoopexH> i would like to boot a small rocklinux-system via pxe-boot - is there any documentaion about available ?
22:00 < rxr> it should be quite straigt forward, I guess there is no ROCK specific howto ...
22:02 < rxr> I shoudl write some lines abou it into the handbook ...
22:03 < scoopexH> rxr: i'm experienced with linux - but not with building a net-bootable distribution :-))
22:03 < rxr> scoopexH: IIRC you do not need to build s.th. special ... (but I have not done this recently ...)
22:04 < scoopexH> rxr: i know that it is not very difficult to build such a system - but it's hard to collect these informations if you are unexperienced with remote-booting linux :-)
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22:06 < rxr> do you need this today? I could collect the info and add it to the apendix of the ROCK Handbook ...
22:06 < scoopexH> a small section which describes how to build the kernel on a active lnux-system and how to place the kernel and the files on the tftp and nfs-server would be nice .....
22:06 < scoopexH> rxr: not tody :-))
22:06 < netrunner> rxr: for net boot you need basically some special kernel options, depending on your setup. like kernel ip config, maybe nfs automout at boot ...
22:06 < rxr> IIRC you do not need to rebuild the ROCK kernel ...
22:08 < scoopexH> i would like to build a small system with maybe 8-16 megabytes which can make a adsl-connect, routing and nat ....ssh-login would also be nice :-)
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22:10 < scoopexH> do you think it is possible to make this system undependend from the tftp/nfs-server ? - so it is possible to get  a quiet home-router :-))
22:11 < netrunner> scoopexH: sure, if you have enough memory to keep the / there, then you can copy it there after boot and umount the nfs.
22:12 < scoopexH> netrunner: cool :-)
22:12 < scoopexH> netrunner: i have at least a 8mb flash-disk :-)
22:13 < netrunner> scoopexH: or just put everything on the floppy. look at the (dead) lrp, or fli4l
22:13 < netrunner> scoopexH: the 8mb would probably suffice for the things you mentioned. but I haven't done that in rock so far.
22:18 < scoopexH> netrunner: this machine has no floppy :-)) it's a igel-xterm whith a i386-compatible cpu :-))
22:19 < scoopexH> netrunner: don't you think rocklinux is a good choice for my plans ?
22:20 < SMP> rxr: no rocknet code today - but I did some brainstorming
22:21 < Nebukadneza> does anyone know the command for kdecc and gnomecc
22:24 < netrunner> scoopexH: I think it is a good idea if you want to create your own dist. It is not a good idea if you get afraid of rolling rocks towards you.
22:24 < netrunner> scoopexH: then you might bette get a out-of the box thing like fli4l, and just don't know that's inside.
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22:47 < A-Tui> hola
22:50 < rxr> scoopexH: yes ROCK is a good choise - we even have a router target which is 6MB or so  - you only need to add dsl stuff
22:51 < rxr> and Clifford is currently updating the router and adds IDE disk support so it can run out of flash devices ...
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23:18 < rxr> scoopexH: maybe this does help you: http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php
23:23 < rxr> SMP: could we work towards a basically functional rocknet to this weekend?
23:25 < SMP> rxr: that was my plan
23:26 < rxr> ok. Could you checking an initial version into svn? Or is is still mostly the same as I send it? (so I could checkin it too....)
23:29 < rxr> *lol*
23:29 < rxr>  Specifies, in seconds, the time to wait before reboot in the event of TFTP failure. 0 means wait "forever" (in reality, it waits approximately 136 years.)
23:30 < SMP> I want/need to move around some things before first ci
23:30 < SMP> thanks for the hint about switching tabs in konsole
23:31 < rxr> no problem ;-) You gave me many more tips already!
23:32 < SMP> now I just need to get my .inputrc "backward-word / forward-word on Ctrl Left / Right" hack working again
23:32 < rxr> I could need soem more PPC boxes for the cluster build ...
23:32 < SMP> rxr: only 2000 EUR for a G5 ;->
23:34 < rxr> ;-) Some 19" Server from Apply would make a pretty cluster ;-)
23:36 < SMP> rxr: by the way do you know how I can customize keys the keys for konsole?
23:38 < tsa> lol
23:38 < tsa> http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1739
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23:39 < Nebukadneza> Freak==fake?
23:39 < SMP> Nebukadneza: no
23:39 < Nebukadneza> ohh
23:39 < Nebukadneza> :(
23:39 < Nebukadneza> but
23:39 < Nebukadneza> char fake="freak";
23:42 < rxr> SMP: context menu (right click on konsole) -> Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
23:42 < rxr> maybe ?
23:42 < rxr> what keys do you want to modify ?
23:43 < rxr> btw with shift + ctrl + arrows you move the tabs around ...
23:43 < SMP> oh
23:44 < SMP> it wasn't obvious for me what 'Shortcuts' meant
23:46 < SMP> ok, last question ;-) how do I get rollup, not maximize on doubleclick on the window title?
23:48 < rxr> erhm ???
23:48 < rxr> this is de default in the theme I use ... - seems to be theme specific - maybe this can be changed by the user somwhere in the contol centre
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