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--- Log opened Tue Jul 29 00:00:19 2003 --- Day changed Tue Jul 29 2003 00:03 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.160] has joined #rocklinux 00:04 < owl> *sigh* /me np: metallica - the unforgiven II 00:08 < fake> o_O 00:08 < daja77> re 00:08 * fake Goethes Erben - Fleischschuld 00:08 < fake> re daja77 00:08 < owl> hi daja77 00:09 < daja77> hi owl 00:11 < fake> eine kleine hand... ein zartes bein... 00:11 < fake> *sing* 00:11 < daja77> hmm what might fake think ... 00:11 < owl> daja77: it's the text of "fleischschuld" 00:11 < fake> so schneidet stahl - das fleisch entzwei... 00:12 < rxr> hi daja77 00:12 < daja77> owl: i guessed that ... 00:12 < daja77> hi rxr 00:12 < daja77> rxr: have you recvd my gnokii patch? 00:13 < owl> daja77: hm. k... 00:14 < rxr> daja77: when was it sent ? 00:15 < daja77> 889on saturday, but i haven't recvd it on ml 00:15 < fake> hm, what time... ah. 00:15 < daja77> hm? 00:15 < rxr> daja77: I remeber s.th. but I can not find it in my mail-boxes ... 00:16 < daja77> ok so I'll resend 00:17 < daja77> whatever happened to it :) 00:20 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (" [Lag: 54 (??)]") 00:20 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082D268.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:20 < tsa> hi all 00:21 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:21 < owl> *gnarf* re 00:23 < daja77> hi tsa 00:24 < daja77> mail sent, hopefully 00:24 < owl> hi tsa 00:24 < owl> hope dies at last... 00:24 < daja77> who 00:24 < owl> who? 00:25 < n00kie> Hey daja :) 00:25 < daja77> who dies 00:25 < n00kie> How are you man? 00:25 < owl> daja77: hope. 00:25 < daja77> hey n00kie 00:25 -!- owl is now known as hope 00:25 < daja77> n00kie: fine thx 00:25 * hope dies. 00:25 < hope> :p 00:25 < daja77> ic 00:26 -!- hope is now known as owl 00:26 < owl> hope died. 00:26 < daja77> bob hope died 00:26 < owl> bob? 00:26 < daja77> yes today 00:26 < owl> O_o 00:27 < n00kie> bob der baumeister 00:27 < n00kie> :) 00:27 < daja77> bob hope, american actor and entertainer 00:27 < n00kie> ah 00:27 < n00kie> Yeah, I heard from him 00:27 < n00kie> He was 100years old. 00:27 < daja77> he was 90 00:27 < owl> *g* ah so... this hope. 00:27 < n00kie> 90? 00:27 < n00kie> Nah, 100? 00:27 < owl> 90, 100 - stone old 00:27 < daja77> they said 90 00:28 < daja77> yes stone old 00:28 < owl> they're fscking liars :ppp 00:28 < n00kie> hmm 00:28 < n00kie> in austrian tv they said 100 00:29 < daja77> he even made bad jokes about his age :) 00:29 < owl> ask the almighty internet 00:29 < daja77> ask the big owl 00:29 * daja77 hides 00:30 * owl looks around searching for a big owl and can't find his/her/it 00:30 < n00kie> BOfH 00:30 < n00kie> Bastard Owl from Hell :) 00:30 < owl> *lol* 00:30 < daja77> hmm and I thought owl can see everything at night 00:30 < daja77> owls 00:31 < owl> daja77: nah. /me not. i'm a blind owl. you see? 00:31 < n00kie> lol 00:31 < daja77> i c now, yes 00:31 < daja77> :) 00:31 < owl> now? why just now? 00:32 < daja77> hmm dunno haven't paid much attention to it before 00:32 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.160] has quit ("leaving") 00:32 < owl> i c. 00:33 < daja77> owls are interesting animals 00:33 < n00kie> what animals do owls eat? 00:33 < daja77> mice, rats and stuff 00:34 < daja77> I once saw one in england who could turn her head 270 degree 00:36 * fake nirvana - Jesus Doesn't Want Me For A Sunbeam 00:36 < n00kie> Nirvana is cool 00:36 < n00kie> I like "Where did you sleep last night" most 00:36 < owl> rats - *roflmao* yes... but just pieces of them... 00:37 < daja77> deadrat pieces, yeah 00:37 < fake> o/~ don't spank me tonight... o/~ 00:38 < fake> n00kie: that's nice, too. do you know 'where did you sleep last nig 00:38 < n00kie> yeah :) 00:38 < owl> dead rat... nah... .oO( i'm so happy, that nobody can read my thoughts) 00:38 < n00kie> But I don't have much music from them 00:38 < n00kie> only these songs: 00:39 < fake> n00kie: ht ? but polly is also great 00:39 * daja77 trying to read owls thoughts 00:39 < owl> permission denied 00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - Come As You Are.mp3 00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - Lake Of Fire.mp3 00:39 < n00kie> nirvana - last song Kurt Cobain Wrote!!RARE!.mp3 00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - sleep last night.mp3 00:39 < n00kie> Nirvana - The Man Who Sold The World.mp3 00:39 < daja77> chmod 777 /dev/owl/brain 00:39 < tsa> > /dev/owl/brain 00:40 < fake> hi tsa! 00:40 < fake> tsa: aufm linuxtag hast du was verpasst... 00:40 < tsa> oh, wassn? 00:41 < daja77> btw https://mirbsd.bsdadvocacy.org:8890/lxtag/comrad.mpg 00:41 < daja77> linuxtag video from the holarse booth, cool music 00:42 < daja77> tsa: sex, drugs and rock *ggg* 00:43 < tsa> hehe 00:43 < n00kie> err, 16megs? 00:43 < tsa> sex? 00:43 < tsa> hm.. 00:43 < fake> hex, drugs and rock? 00:43 < tsa> hehe 00:44 < daja77> 16megs, yes 00:46 < owl> np: sisters of mercy - i was wrong 00:46 < fake> which song? 00:47 < owl> fake: sisters of mercy - i was wrong.mp3 00:47 < fake> ah 00:47 < fake> aeh 00:47 < owl> ah? aeh? *confused* 00:47 < rxr> cool ARM glibc finished ... ;-) 00:47 < rxr> Maybe I have ROCK Linux running on my Psion Revo soon 00:47 < fake> damn, sister of mercy is on some cd... 00:48 < rxr> damn that the tiny thing only has 8MB RAM ... 00:48 < owl> rxr: congrats 00:48 < owl> fake: hm. dcc? 00:48 < fake> rxr: ww 00:48 < tsa> hi rxr 00:48 < fake> rxr: wee 00:48 < fake> owl: nack, will go to bed soon 00:48 < owl> fake: oki. 00:50 < fake> owl: besides, i know i have that song, and i'd search it rather then getting it again, just to proof i have it, and it'd be a long search... 00:50 * n00kie reboot 00:50 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M374P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 00:50 < owl> fake: oki... "vision thing" album... (if you have it) ;) 00:50 * daja77 sings: ... the maestro says it's mozart but it sounds like bubblegum ... 00:51 < owl> wtf? O_o daja77 - are you sure, you feel well? 00:51 < daja77> yepp it is just from a song ... 00:51 < owl> yes... but i'm feeling a bit shocked you're listening to such a song... 00:52 < daja77> you are shocked, why that O_o 00:52 < owl> daja77: because of the lyrics... 00:52 * daja77 np leonard cohen - waiting for the miracle 00:53 < daja77> there is more strange stuff in it :) 00:53 < owl> hmm. k. 00:53 < tsa> aah, nice. sendmail patch applied ;) 00:54 < tsa> thx, rxr ;) 00:54 * daja77 ... if you are squeezed for information, that's when you have to play the dumb ... 00:55 < fake> owl: i have that 00:55 < owl> fake: k. ;) 00:55 < daja77> fake: next year we should be louder than the xine guys 00:56 < owl> daja77: lauder than xine guys? 00:56 < fake> daja77: aye! 00:56 < daja77> yepp xine booth was on the other side 00:57 < rxr> regtest started - good night 00:57 < daja77> n8 rxr 00:57 < fake> n8 rene! 00:57 < owl> hrm.. /me looks innocently at her stereo anlage and thinks "might i should take it with me" (if on LT or so) 00:57 < owl> gn8 rxr 00:57 < daja77> owl: just do it :) 00:58 < owl> daja77: well ;p 00:59 * fake is tired 01:00 * daja77 too 01:00 < fake> i'd go to bed if the music weren't so good 01:00 < daja77> hehe 01:01 < owl> tired? tststs. 01:01 < daja77> let's be alone together *rofl* 01:01 < owl> <-- not tired, because got up at about 15 o'clock 01:01 < daja77> night owl 01:02 * fake got woken up at ~7:00 (with a mug of hot, steaming coffee) 01:02 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.175] has joined #rocklinux 01:02 < owl> fake: O_o by your mum? 01:02 < daja77> wtf I read streaming coffee now >_< 01:02 < owl> daja77: why nightß 01:03 < daja77> you are a night owl 01:03 < fake> owl: no, holli's girlfriend. we slept in yest 01:03 < fake> owl: we fell asleep yesterday alltogether ;) 01:03 < tsa> ..on top of each other? ;) 01:03 < owl> fake: hehe. oki ;) 01:03 < fake> tsa: no, ontop of damn comfortable couches. 01:04 < owl> tsa is the man with the evil thoughts 01:04 < tsa> never. 01:04 < fake> tsa IS the evil 01:04 < daja77> damn I want to go to bed, but now fake starts to tell the interesting stories 01:04 < fake> ph34r d4 +54 01:04 < tsa> hehe 01:04 * fake is quiet now 01:04 < daja77> ok n8 you all then :P 01:05 < tsa> cu daja77 01:05 < fake> daja77: because i'll go to bed now, too 01:05 < owl> gn8 daja77 01:05 < daja77> fake: ok then tell me later ;-) 01:05 < daja77> n8 tsa 01:06 < fake> daja77: good night! 01:08 < fake> n8 owl, tsa 01:08 < owl> gn8 fake 01:09 < owl> well tsa - now we are left in this room... *vbeg* 01:09 < tsa> oh-oh. 01:09 < tsa> time to leave, it seems 01:10 < owl> haha. might you're ph34ring me? ;) 01:10 < tsa> uhm..definitely not. 01:10 < owl> then you're right. /me kicks tsa until he dies 01:10 < owl> not? O_o why not? 01:11 < tsa> why should i? 01:11 < owl> because /me != "lieb, brav, nett" --> always kicking people and so 01:12 < tsa> i don't see a reason to be scared - you're far enough away from here. 01:13 < owl> *sniff* you realized that. 01:13 < owl> anyways - i'm joining the "i'm going off now" people. gn8 01:14 < tsa> hehe 01:14 < tsa> n8 01:19 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.175] has quit ("leaving") 01:30 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 01:34 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A926.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:35 < tsa> n8 01:35 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082D268.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 01:38 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B37DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:48 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909377.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:50 * rolla hates Wifi and linux 01:50 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2704.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:02 -!- dennis [dennis@pD9E4D02E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:25 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.164] has joined #rocklinux 02:27 < gomer> re 02:32 -!- knoti_ [~knoti@p508B3A75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:33 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2704.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:34 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.164] has quit ("Lost terminal") 03:01 < gomer> n8 04:01 < dennis> gn8 gomer 04:09 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DADA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:14 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DF3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:46 -!- dennis [dennis@pD9E4D02E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit () 07:11 < blindcoder> moin 07:19 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DF3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:22 < netrunner> moin 07:24 < blindcoder> moin netrunner 07:30 < netrunner> kewl, xfree86 fails again. 07:32 < blindcoder> why? 07:46 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4D36B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:20 < fake> mornin 09:26 < fake> rxr: ping 09:29 < rxr> re 09:29 < rxr> moin fake 09:31 < rxr> currentl desktop build: 09:31 < rxr> 719 builds total, 99 completed fine, 0 with errors. 09:34 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:35 < blindcoder> kdebase takes ages to compile... and I thought kfree took long >_< 09:37 < blindcoder> s/kfree/xfree/ 09:47 < rxr> how are you cluster builds doing ? 09:51 < blindcoder> could be better... 09:52 < blindcoder> had the problem with tuxcursor and xfree which cost me 7 hours 09:52 < blindcoder> right now it's at 5-kdebase (building for 4 hours now) 09:52 < blindcoder> and somethings screwed up with 5-mew 09:53 < blindcoder> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./temp.el -f mew-compile 09:53 < blindcoder> Compiling /R.src/mew-3.3rc2/mew-addrbook.el... 09:53 < blindcoder> While compiling toplevel forms in file /R.src/mew-3.3rc2/mew-addrbook.el: 09:53 < blindcoder> !! File error (("Cannot open load file" "pp")) 09:53 < blindcoder> no idea about that... 09:53 < rxr> blindcoder: how fast are the CPUs? 09:53 < blindcoder> 700 MHz 09:54 < blindcoder> so it's fine that kdebase is still building 09:54 < rxr> a - ok. the 3-4 hours in kdebase should be ok 09:54 < blindcoder> yes. 09:54 < rxr> it only takes one hour (or so) here ... 09:54 < blindcoder> some other kde-packages are already built on other machine 09:54 < blindcoder> s 09:54 < rxr> hehe ;-) 09:54 < blindcoder> hmm... it takes around 1.5 hours o my 1.8 GHz machine 09:55 < rxr> ah yes - it takes longer with each new gcc version ... :-( 09:55 < rxr> but they promisse that they get the slow compiler faster in the upcomming major releases ... 09:55 * rxr buying rolls and having breakfast - cu 09:56 -!- starlord [~starlord@arkanae.org] has joined #rocklinux 09:56 < blindcoder> an guadn 09:56 < blindcoder> hi starlord 09:56 < starlord> anyone using homepna? and where do i see packages available in rock? dont see any links in new website 09:56 < starlord> hi 10:05 < blindcoder> homepna? 10:05 < blindcoder> what's that? 10:05 < starlord> network going through phonelines :) 10:06 < starlord> 1Mbit is max i belive 10:06 < blindcoder> packages are here: https://www.rocklinux.net/packages/ 10:06 < blindcoder> hmm... i see 10:07 < starlord> i dont need homepna working during install,but after that i need it 10:08 < starlord> btw.does install iso come with parted? 10:08 < blindcoder> hmm.. I don't know if there's a homepna package in ROCK... 10:09 < blindcoder> it should, moment, I'll have a look 10:09 < blindcoder> yes, it does 10:11 < starlord> what kernel version? i heard that 2.5.73+ comes with good pna support 10:17 < blindcoder> You can choose between 2.4.21 and current 2.6 10:19 < starlord> 2.6 any problems with that? 10:20 < blindcoder> haven't tried, to be honest 10:21 < blindcoder> personally I prefer stable release for kernel 10:21 < blindcoder> netrunner: here? 10:28 < starlord> damm,i'm browsing packages and dont see java :) 10:29 < blindcoder> correct 10:29 < blindcoder> the license forbids us to redistribute it. 10:31 < starlord> hmm,thats right,forgot about that 10:34 < owl> *gnarf* morning 10:34 < blindcoder> GOH-Narf. moin moin owly 10:34 < owl> hi blindy 10:34 < blindcoder> GUH-Narf, I mean :) 10:34 < owl> hm. gun-narf... 10:34 < owl> *har* 10:35 < blindcoder> owl: I hope you have rested well. :-) 10:35 < owl> blindcoder: not really... "vergangenheit" follwed me in my "dreams" thx. and you? 10:36 < blindcoder> Me? I'm hungry. 10:36 < owl> dict hungry - No definitions found for "hungry" 10:37 < daja77> moin 10:37 < owl> hi daja77 10:38 < daja77> hi owl 10:38 < blindcoder> hi daja77 10:39 < blindcoder> daja77: looks like I'll be bale to attend dev-meeting ^^ 10:39 < blindcoder> crash@apollo:~$ dict hungry 10:39 < blindcoder> 2 definitions found 10:39 < blindcoder> owl: update your dict :P 10:41 < owl> blindcoder: hm. updating the dict in brain is not possible... "no space left on device" - brain not large enough... oops. forgot. not possible to insert data if there is no brain *har* 10:41 < blindcoder> at least you accept it :D 10:42 < owl> accpeting the own dumb is the only way you can choos, or am i wrong? you have no option. cuz you're not able to upgrade the hardware 10:43 < blindcoder> wel, you can update some parts of human hardware 10:45 < owl> e.g.? 10:48 < esden> good morning everyone 10:49 < owl> hi esden *kick* 10:50 < esden> *yawn* 10:50 < blindcoder> esden: hi there :) 10:51 < blindcoder> esden: as it is now, I am able to attend dev-meeting completely :-) 10:51 < owl> .oO( yawning esden - he might should be kicked until he finally awakes *vbeg* ) 10:51 < blindcoder> owl: well, maybe he isn't really here yet 10:52 < blindcoder> owl: just the usual "morning everyone" after he gets up and the next time you read him it's 8 hours later 10:53 < owl> hihi. you know him too well... 10:53 < owl> but anyways... i'm in kicking-mood... but noone and/or nothing in RL i could kick... *sigh* 10:55 < blindcoder> hmm... I'm thinking about buying a PCMCIA GPS Card 10:56 < owl> hmmm.... and device to insert it...? 10:57 < blindcoder> Zeros iPaq 10:57 < blindcoder> he doesn't really use it, so I can borrow it any time 10:57 < esden> hmm ... the spalshscreens look great ... 10:57 < esden> perhups we can ask Miroslav Strugarevic to create a t-shirt design for rock? 10:58 < blindcoder> esden: are you here now? 10:58 < owl> Miroslav Strugarevic? who is this? 10:58 < esden> blindcoder: I am very happy to see you at the rldm V.02 10:58 < esden> owl: look at the rocklinux site ... 10:59 < owl> hrm 10:59 < esden> blindcoder: I try to be ... 10:59 < esden> blindcoder: but I may lag a bit ... (hopefully not ...) 10:59 < blindcoder> esden: what would you think about a PCMCIA GPS Device? 11:00 < esden> blindcoder: If you want to buy me one I will not say no ;) 11:00 < blindcoder> https://www.gps-shop.com/p321.html <-- that one looks nice 11:00 < esden> urgl 270EUR 11:01 < esden> but it looks nice yes 11:01 < esden> how is the support under linux? 11:01 < esden> blindcoder: you must not buy anything that is not working under linux ... 11:01 < esden> or at least it is beeing clamed that it works under linux ;) 11:01 < daja77> blindcoder: bale? 11:02 < blindcoder> daja77: able 11:02 < daja77> d'oh i see, great :) 11:02 < blindcoder> esden: I doubt that any of these devices have usable linux support 11:02 < esden> blindcoder: there is some software for gps navigation for linux 11:02 < daja77> yes there is 11:03 < esden> so it is possible that there are also some drivers for gps stuff for linux 11:03 < daja77> hi esden ^ 11:03 < esden> hi daja77 *hug* ;) 11:03 < daja77> hmm rammi is a designer? 11:03 < daja77> esden: *rehug* 11:03 * -> esden hugging blindcoder post factum 11:04 < esden> hmm ... how is greet in latin? 11:04 < blindcoder> esden: link? to software? 11:04 < daja77> never had latin 11:04 < esden> blindcoder: https://www.google.de 11:04 < esden> dunno ... sorry 11:05 < daja77> pointing people to google is fun :) 11:05 < esden> blindcoder: https://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-996171.html 11:06 < esden> but you get that link when you type "gps navigation linux" in google ... so why do I post it here ? ;) 11:06 -!- starlord [~starlord@arkanae.org] has quit ("work") 11:07 < daja77> cos you are (l)userfriendly *GGG* 11:08 < esden> ohhh yess .. I am so damn (l)userfriendly ;) ... 11:08 < daja77> *gna* the program is called gps, what a name 11:09 * -> esden is teking out his chainsaw whose name is "(l)user exterminator" 11:09 < blindcoder> well, I'll have lunch now. 11:09 < blindcoder> byebye 11:09 < owl> guten hunger. 11:09 < esden> cu blindcoder have fun 11:09 < daja77> my build die in a strange way O_o 11:10 < owl> was it killed by esden 's chainsaw? 11:11 < daja77> think so 11:11 < owl> hrm 11:11 < daja77> nah it died alone, quiet 11:12 < owl> dying alone... poor build... /me feels sorrow for the build 11:12 < daja77> doesn't help it ... 11:13 < owl> yes. i know... 11:13 < daja77> ok gps is not for gps navigation 11:13 < daja77> this sucks half a year ago I found a really nice app for that, but forgot it's name 11:14 < daja77> anyway gps stuff is too expensive for me 11:15 * daja77 off for breakfast now 11:15 < owl> guten hunger 11:15 < daja77> thx 11:16 * -> esden off for breakfast now too 11:16 < owl> guten hunger... 11:48 * blindcoder back 11:48 < owl> wb blindcoder 11:49 < blindcoder> thx owly 11:49 < blindcoder> wow 11:49 < owl> hm? wow? 11:49 < blindcoder> 5 hours 30 minutes for kdebase31 11:49 < owl> is this long or short? 11:50 < blindcoder> well... a bit longer than xfree :-) 11:51 < owl> hmm. 11:54 * owl np: diva destruction - the broken ones *sigh* 11:54 < knoti_> moin 11:55 < owl> hi knoti_ 11:58 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm131.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 11:58 < owl> hi cchamilt 11:58 < cchamilt> hi 12:02 < blindcoder> moin chris 12:03 < cchamilt> hi blindcoder 12:05 < fake> owl: good idea 12:06 < owl> fake: hm? diva destruction...? 12:08 -!- msp[] [m@pD9538026.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:09 < owl> hi msp[] 12:09 < msp[]> moin owl 12:09 * msp[] yawns 12:10 < owl> msp = microsoft project? 12:10 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-158-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:10 < owl> hi capchaos ! 12:11 < msp[]> m is my forename abbreviated, sp is my surname abbreviated ;-) 12:11 < owl> *g* k. 12:11 < capchaos> Bonjour, hibou 12:11 * blindcoder sees an array and thinks about push'ing it :-) 12:12 < msp[]> lol 12:12 < owl> *har blindcoder - you're evil 12:12 < blindcoder> owl: no, I just saw way too much perl the last two days 12:12 < owl> k. 12:13 * -> esden sees an array and thinks about writing a parsing algorithm ... >_< 12:13 < esden> it is a sure indication that I wrote too many >_< 12:19 < fake> owl: yes 12:19 < owl> fake: hm. k. 12:20 < fake> msp[]: can you be referenced in the pointer-style, too? 12:21 < gomer> re 12:21 < msp[]> Heh 12:22 < msp[]> I think I should consider choosing a new nick 8-) 12:41 < blindcoder> hmm 12:41 < blindcoder> okay, that's about all I need to know to buy that GPS-Device :-) 12:41 < blindcoder> https://freshmeat.net/projects/gpsdrive/?topic_id=234 12:43 < esden> aaaaaargggggghh I want a gps device!!!! 12:43 < esden> *cry* 12:49 * daja77 crying too 12:50 < daja77> kde 3.1.3 is out ... 12:51 < esden> daja77: I can live without it ;) 12:52 < daja77> yeah but I'll need it to build the generic isos soon, hours of downloading ... 12:53 < daja77> damn I still had no breakfast 12:53 < daja77> cu 12:57 < knoti_> rehi 12:58 -!- knoti_ is now known as knoti 13:07 < fake> 0esden: how is the output plugin decoupler doing? 13:23 < esden> fake: I have currently other problems then that ... I have to pack stuff for moving to an other flat 13:24 < esden> and I most likely have to write a patch for gnu-netcat 13:24 < esden> because it is not stopping connection when I want it to stop it .... >_< 13:25 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-158-021.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Temet nosce.") 13:26 < esden> ok ... I hope I have enough to drive now to munich .. 13:26 < esden> cu guys 13:31 < SMP> cchamilt: Create-Target is cool! ;) 13:32 < cchamilt> thanks 13:33 < cchamilt> test it and tell me what i screwed up :) 13:45 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.195.170.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 14:06 -!- v1r422 [~johnjj@pD9E1FE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:07 < v1r422> hi 14:07 < v1r422> ich have a question 14:07 < daja77> hi 14:08 < v1r422> i tried to install rock-2.0.0-beta6 14:08 < v1r422> and during the installationprocess i get mesasages about some insmod errors 14:09 < v1r422> so i think, there are missing modules, is this possible, because beta6 is "marked as stable" 14:09 < daja77> what is your problem exactly? 14:10 < v1r422> insmod failed to load some iso8859-1 and nls, which is not really critical :) 14:10 < daja77> known issue 14:10 < v1r422> hm 14:10 < v1r422> but the major problem is ... 14:11 < v1r422> that lilo wasnt running - and the script post-install was missing to 14:11 -!- msp[] [m@pD9538026.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 14:11 -!- v1r422 [~johnjj@pD9E1FE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit () 14:12 -!- v1r422 [~johnjj@pD9E1FE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:12 < daja77> v1r422: which beta6 have you used? 14:12 < v1r422> 2.0.0 14:12 < v1r422> question 14:12 < daja77> no, I mean which target, generic, drock or? 14:13 < v1r422> is lilo running over the post.install-script ? 14:13 < v1r422> drock 14:13 < v1r422> because lilo was´nt running 14:13 < daja77> for some strange reason drock shows that bugs on some computers 14:13 < v1r422> and next problem: there is /bin/sh missing 14:15 < v1r422> i tried to install lilo through knoppix with chroot to rock - but as i said before /bin/sh was missing, so i cant install lilo 14:15 < v1r422> do you have an idea ? 14:15 < v1r422> try another distri ? ;) 14:17 < daja77> yes try generic isos 14:18 < v1r422> hm - whats the difference between generic and drock ? 14:18 < daja77> package selection and kernel config is different 14:19 * daja77 hopes that rc1 is out soon 14:19 < daja77> I just know that on some machines where drock didn't work, generic works 14:19 < v1r422> hm 14:20 < daja77> hope rxr does not beat me for that *ggg* 14:20 < v1r422> i hope the installtion-process works :D 14:20 < daja77> yepp 14:20 < v1r422> rxr ?` 14:20 < cchamilt> no desktop is intentionally not server capable 14:20 < daja77> cchamilt: ? 14:20 < cchamilt> no smp, some scsi functions are pulled 14:21 < cchamilt> no clue why rxr bothered to 'cripple' it but he did 14:21 < v1r422> thats ok - i build my kernel on my own 14:21 < daja77> well that doesn't explain why drock failes on some machines even when it has the same base like generic 14:22 < cchamilt> i assume if rxr ever gets a x86-64 system, all of the sudden smp will be in desktop :) 14:22 < daja77> hehe 14:23 < v1r422> other question: is it normal, that the install-process support xfs for my partitions 14:23 < v1r422> but the kernel not 14:23 < daja77> no this is a known bug ;-) 14:23 < cchamilt> that is a bug that has been reported i think 14:23 < v1r422> aha - ok 14:23 < v1r422> does generic support xfs ? 14:23 < daja77> haven't tried 14:24 < cchamilt> no idea either, doubtful 14:24 < SMP> no, we don't have the xfs patch for 2.4 anywhere 14:24 < SMP> also no xfsprogs 14:24 < daja77> thx SMP 14:25 < daja77> this is strange 14:26 < v1r422> no problem - anyway you helped me 14:26 < daja77> np 14:26 < v1r422> cu - greets to the lug-in-members 14:26 -!- v1r422 [~johnjj@pD9E1FE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit () 14:28 < rolla> re 14:30 -!- v1r422 [~johnjj@pD9E1FE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:30 < v1r422> its me again :) 14:31 < v1r422> so where do you get the generic iso´s, or aren´t there some 14:32 < v1r422> its a little bit difficult, because there are some link/page errors oh the rocklinux-websites 14:37 < daja77> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-beta6/generic/ 14:38 < daja77> hi rolla 14:42 < v1r422> thank you - found it in the same second :) 14:42 < daja77> *ggg* 14:44 < v1r422> are https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/____rock____/stable/2.0.0-beta6/generic/ and https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/___drock___/stable/2.0.0-beta6/generic/ the same ? 14:44 < rolla> yawn 14:44 < daja77> yes 14:44 < v1r422> ok 14:45 < daja77> boring rolla *ggg* 14:45 < daja77> cool the linuxtag notes are now on hp 14:47 < v1r422> thank you again - bye 14:47 -!- v1r422 [~johnjj@pD9E1FE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit () 14:47 < owl> remoin *yawn* 14:51 < daja77> sleepy owl 14:51 < owl> yeah... sleeping is still a bit better than reality.... 14:52 < daja77> at least you can create your own fantasies *ggg* 14:52 * blindcoder going home 14:52 < blindcoder> byebye 14:52 < owl> hmmmm... at least sometimes 14:52 < owl> bye blindcoder 14:52 < daja77> bye blindcoder l 14:52 < daja77> -l 14:53 < owl> WAAAAAAAAAH! the first you're hearing after awakening, is a "rasenmaeher" 14:53 < daja77> do you see the correlation 14:54 < owl> hm? 14:55 < daja77> zusammenhang 14:55 < owl> ja... but why? 14:55 < owl> don't think i woke up because of this 14:55 < daja77> ok well ... 14:56 < rolla> hallo daja77 14:56 < daja77> :) 14:57 < owl> hi rolla 14:58 * owl np: tanzwut - der waechter 15:12 * fake wants to leave 15:12 < daja77> leave what 15:12 < fake> work 15:12 * daja77 lazy at home atm 15:27 < rolla> yawnb 15:27 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 15:27 < owl> hi A-Tui 15:27 * daja77 throws a chewing gum into rolla's open mouth 15:27 < A-Tui> hola owl 15:27 < daja77> hi A-Tui 15:27 < A-Tui> hi daja77 15:28 < rolla> thanks 15:28 * rolla is waiting for pacages to download so he can build rock again 15:29 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50801CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:29 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801CF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: blindcod1r!blindcoder@p50801CBF.dip.t-dialin.net))) 15:29 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 15:35 < rolla> wow I have missed alot by not reading the ML 15:46 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4D36B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:52 * daja77 off now 15:52 < daja77> cu 15:52 < owl> bye daja77 15:55 < owl> svn: RA layer request failed 15:55 < owl> svn: The path was not part of a repository 15:55 < owl> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/' 15:55 < owl> svn: PROPFIND of '/': 400 Bad Request (https://schillernet.dyndns.org) 15:55 < owl> wtf is this? 15:56 < rolla> suck 15:56 < daja77> rxr's site possibly down again 15:56 < owl> nah. having it everytime i'm using svn 15:56 < daja77> proxy? 15:57 < owl> router 15:58 < daja77> do you habe a proxy somewhere? 15:58 < owl> nope 15:58 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux 15:59 < daja77> hmm strange 15:59 < owl> hmm. 16:04 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B3A75.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:05 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@dsl-213-023-052-227.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:12 < starlord> what packages does install isos install when i choose generic or desktop or are those customizable? 16:13 < esden> re hi all 16:13 < esden> starlord: they are customizable ... you can choose the preselection and after that alter the package selection 16:14 < starlord> oh,good, i thought when i choose desktop it installs kde and gnome ;) 16:16 < esden> and i think you confused something ... you are not installing anythng when you choose a target ... 16:17 < esden> this is only the selection of packages that will be built for inclusion on a resulting install iso 16:17 < esden> when you install the system you still can choose the packets you finally want to have on your system 16:19 < starlord> but those install isos does contain prebuilt stuff too? 16:22 < esden> install isos contain only prebuilt stuff 16:24 < starlord> is there dev "doc" in website, i cant find it, i know now that java isnt supported(?) so i need to create own script for it,for example like in gentoo,tell user to download file and compile it from that, and later date when sun is changing licence it can be redistributed normally 16:27 < esden> starlord: there are docs in the source tree of rock ... and there is a handbook https://www.rocklinux.org/handbook.html 16:28 < esden> and a whole part of the main website of rock is dedicated for documentation ;) https://www.rocklinux.org/doc.html 16:31 < starlord> oh,thanks,handbook is great :) 16:33 < esden> nothing to thank for 16:33 < esden> how do I say "nothing to thank for" in finish (excuse me if I spelled it wrong)? 16:46 < starlord> hmm,something like:ei tarvi kiittää or like it usually say when someone is thanking me:ei mitään :) my english sucks 16:46 < starlord> or like it =or like i 16:47 < esden> ok then: ei mitaeaen 16:47 < esden> ;) 16:49 < owl> .oO(/me wonders who esden wants to thank) 16:49 < starlord> oh,in german you keyboard doesnt have latin chars? or what thats called.... 16:50 < owl> hehe. not esden 's keyboard... he's using dvorak (am i right, esden ?) 16:52 < esden> owl: no I only want to say that starlord does not have to thank ;) ... i now know how to say it in some languages : german("nichts zu danken") english("nothing to thank for") polish("niema za co") french("de rien") spanish("de nada") finish("ei mitaeaen") 16:52 < esden> I am still waiting to know how to say it in japanese ;) 16:53 < starlord> :) 16:53 < owl> omg. 16:53 < owl> .oO(multilingual dictionary - esden) 16:53 < esden> owl: I am still working on it ;) 16:54 < owl> i know ;p 16:54 < esden> for now I have only 4 languages in my dictionary 16:54 < owl> polish, german, english, french? 16:54 < esden> but they are all not complete :( ... I think that the problem lays in the bad biological hardware I use for the database 16:54 < starlord> where do i find example script,hmm,lets say emacs that i can look out as an example from https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta8/ 16:54 < esden> owl: ack 16:55 < owl> omg. /me only 2 (engl, german) ... (and a bit of russian, italian, spanish) 16:55 < esden> starlord: https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta8/package/emacs/ 16:55 < esden> argh 16:55 < starlord> i'm thankfull that i know bit of my native lan :) 16:55 < mistik1> re all 16:55 < esden> starlord: https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta8/package/rene/emacs/ 16:55 < owl> hi mistik1 16:56 < esden> hi mistik1!!! 16:56 < mistik1> the little box i built couldn't take all that IO traffic I guess 16:56 < mistik1> heh 16:56 < esden> mistik1: your highway infrastructure in your box needs to get updated ;) 16:57 < mistik1> indeed :) 16:57 < mistik1> I'll just have to wait till I have a case for the athlon I suppose 16:58 -!- fake [~fake@pD950EFEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:58 < owl> wb fake 16:58 < fake> re 16:58 < esden> mistik1: humm ... I would be happy to have a new athlon ... a box is not the main point ... 16:58 < esden> huhu fake!!! 16:58 < fake> hi esden 16:59 * fake remotley updated his gw from 2.4.14 to 2.4.21... 16:59 < esden> fake: nice 16:59 < fake> can't believe it just rebooted into it... 16:59 < fake> i was so sure to make a mistake 16:59 < mistik1> you doubt yourself your padawan 16:59 < owl> why shouldn't it boot without erros? 16:59 < owl> +r 17:00 < mistik1> s/your/young/ 17:00 < fake> i wasn't even sure if it's a tekram dc930 or an adaptec scsi controller... 17:01 < mistik1> haha 17:01 < fake> aha2940 17:02 < owl> wtf is a padawan? 17:02 < blindcoder> hmm 17:02 < starlord> havent you seen star wars? 17:02 < starlord> :) 17:02 < blindcoder> I really think about reimplementing Create-PkgQueue 17:03 < starlord> shit,was it start wars? 17:03 < starlord> s/start/star 17:03 < owl> starlord: hmmm... i saw... 17:03 < owl> +t 17:04 < owl> +i 17:04 < owl> -t -i +it 17:05 < fake> starlord: yes 17:05 * fake is away, cathin' the train 17:06 < owl> have fun, enjoy the hot train... :p bye, fake 17:06 < fake> thanks 17:06 < mistik1> owl: a padawan is a young Jedi in training ;) 17:07 < owl> mistik1: ah. k. *g* 17:07 < esden> owl: you really have to work on your basic knowledge ... 17:08 < owl> esden: why should i? 17:08 < starlord> hmm,didnt know that it was jedi,only knew that it was in star wars 17:08 < esden> owl: because you ask questions about stuff that is really basic knowledge ;) 17:08 < esden> starlord: so you also have to work on your basic knowledge ;) 17:08 < owl> esden: nah... and i see no reason why i should improve my basic knowledge or every other knowledge... 17:09 < mistik1> uh oh, I created a monster :) 17:10 < owl> created a monster? a zombie? well. kewl. send it over to me. if i'm having luck it's a amok-running-monster 17:11 < mistik1> haha 17:11 < owl> why are you laughing? 17:11 < rolla> :) 17:14 < esden> owl: so why are you asking when you do not want to know anything more? 17:15 < owl> esden: because i did 17:20 < owl> <-- off now 17:20 < owl> bye 17:22 < blindcoder> *ARGH* 17:22 < blindcoder> Sometimes I wonder if this hadn't been faster if we just had run a compile on my 1800 MHvz machine >_< 17:22 < rolla> :) 17:23 < rolla> blindcoder: is it a athlon? 17:23 < blindcoder> The Cluster-Build is completely broken. Period. 17:23 < blindcoder> rolla: no, a P4 17:23 < rolla> hmm 17:24 < blindcoder> imlib builds perfectly, but gnome-libs14 can't use it. 17:24 < blindcoder> and other funny things 17:24 < blindcoder> if you want to do yourself a favor, then NEVER TRY TO BUILD ROCK LINUX IN A CLUSTER!!! 17:25 < rolla> :) 17:25 < esden> blindcoder: if you had run it on your box you would not debug so much stuff ... 17:25 < cchamilt> rehi 17:25 < blindcoder> I think about sending a patch to the mailing-list with a patch that completely remove it. 17:26 < blindcoder> esden: it's completely broken! it's utterly useless! 17:26 < esden> blindcoder: count to ten first ... and take a deep breath 17:26 < blindcoder> esden: I counted to ten many times on the train today. 17:26 < esden> blindcoder: so make it usable ... 17:26 < cchamilt> the cluster build was never tested well 17:26 < cchamilt> i think you are the first really. 17:26 < blindcoder> esden: that would need a complete re-implementation. But I consider making this suggestion on the DevMeeting 17:26 < blindcoder> cchamilt: it was tested.. at the time it was implemented. 17:26 < esden> blindcoder: dietlibc target is also totaly unusable ... but I do not remove it 17:27 < esden> but try to make it usable instead 17:27 < blindcoder> But then noone bothered touching it again. 17:27 < cchamilt> i think it cant scale well, maybe 8 nodes at the most. 17:27 < esden> cchamilt: that is right 17:27 < blindcoder> cchamilt: even with 4 nodes it failed to build anything past Xfree 17:27 < esden> cchamilt: I think that the -j solution was scaling better 17:27 < cchamilt> yes, but clifford could only do it once i think, i never tried it and i was supposed to. 17:27 < esden> but the problem is that -j can not be run on many different machines 17:27 < cchamilt> it was just when i blew up my cluster. 17:28 < cchamilt> is it just dependencies or actual flaky code? 17:28 < blindcoder> well, of 888 builds, 88 failed. And when I eleted all *err files and restarted the build, around 10 of them built, the rest failed again 17:29 < blindcoder> mostly begause of 5-gnome-libs14 failing because it can't find a usable imlib. 17:29 < blindcoder> cchamilt: both. 17:29 < cchamilt> rock svn isnt exactly at its best right now... 17:30 < blindcoder> cchamilt: missing(!) dependancies, 2 versions of a library that overwrite each other and arenot backwards-compatible (imlib) and code that wasn't tested on more than one node. 17:30 < blindcoder> and best of all, rene seems to be ignoring esden's and my patches regarding those issues. 17:30 < blindcoder> nfs-utils wasn't applied yet and tuxcursor neither. 17:31 < cchamilt> yes, he may have some priority problems. as usual his goals are not necessarily others... 17:31 < esden> blindcoder: rxr is missing many patches ... that are not only our's 17:31 < cchamilt> at least we have arm support. right? 17:31 < esden> o_O 17:32 < cchamilt> i wonder if rc-1 will wait till arm builds :) 17:32 * cchamilt stab rene in back heh 17:32 < cchamilt> not that i am not guilty of flinging features. 17:33 < esden> cchamilt: I also have some stuff to do that should be ready since ages ... 17:33 < cchamilt> of course mine our not really trying to be merged, just annoy the mailing list 17:33 < esden> but currently I am preparing a move >_< 17:34 < esden> and doing it alone is pretty time consuming ... 17:34 < esden> nobody has time because of work 17:34 < esden> or not in munich 17:35 < cchamilt> that would be hard 17:36 < esden> ok ... I go get some boxes out of my car 17:36 * -> esden brb 17:36 < cchamilt> supermarkets are a good source of boxes 17:40 -!- starlord_ [~starlord@arkanae.org] has joined #rocklinux 17:40 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 17:40 -!- starlord_ is now known as starlord 17:43 -!- jsaw [~George@pD95069A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:43 < jsaw> re 17:45 -!- cytrinox is now known as nebu 17:47 < esden> re 17:49 < blindcoder> gpsdrive is sweet 17:49 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Reconnecting") 17:49 -!- nebu is now known as cytrinox 17:49 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 17:49 < cytrinox> ping owl 17:49 < tfing> hi 17:49 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50801CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:49 < cytrinox> hi 17:49 < blindcod1r> gpsdrive is sweet 17:49 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 17:51 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 17:52 < blindcoder> ah, nothing like circular dependencies 17:53 < blindcoder> libgnome22 depends on acme22 17:53 < blindcoder> acme22 depends on libgnomui22 17:53 < blindcoder> libgnomeui depends on libgnome22 17:54 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.177] has joined #rocklinux 17:54 < rammi> helow.!:) 17:55 < esden> blindcoder: the dependances should be put in a directional graph ... and the circularity's removed ... 17:56 < esden> at least they should be detected ... but still a human will be needed to remove the circularitys 17:56 < esden> (sigh another point on my todo list for this summer 17:56 < esden> ) 18:02 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.177] has quit ("leaving") 18:03 < blindcoder> You are about to download 72373254 file(s). 18:03 < blindcoder> hrm... maybe... just maybe... I chose a few map-files too much... 18:03 < blindcoder> You are about to download 6615184 file(s). 18:04 < blindcoder> already a few less :-) 18:04 * rolla is bored 18:05 < esden> rolla: if you are bored you could write a script to solve the circular dependancy problem ;) 18:05 < esden> blindcoder: no ... I only want to use the dep list and the flist files ... 18:05 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@dsl-213-023-052-227.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:10 < blindcoder> I really like gpsdrive :D 18:10 < blindcoder> it has a built-in rip-microsoft-feature :D 18:13 < esden> rip-micro$oft-feature? 18:14 * -> esden is feeling like boiled ... >_< 18:14 < blindcoder> esden: yes. it can be automated to download maps from www.vicinity.com with your settings 18:14 < esden> hehe ... cool ;) 18:14 < blindcoder> I currently let it download a map of the whole world in 25 km x 25 km pieces :-) 18:15 < blindcoder> 66k files 18:15 < esden> blindcoder: aaaaahhhh you meant that files ... 18:15 < esden> ok 18:15 < blindcoder> yes ^^ 18:15 < esden> blindcoder: you confused me ... 18:15 < blindcoder> the 72M files were also maps of the whole world ranging from 2 km to 20000 km squared each ^^ 18:16 < esden> the maps also contain seas? 18:16 < blindcoder> yes 18:16 < esden> urgh 18:16 < blindcoder> unfortunately I don't have 72M inodes left on my machine :-) 18:16 < esden> ROFL 18:16 < esden> blindcoder: you should use a database to store the maps 18:16 < blindcoder> just checked, my /home has 9M free inodes 18:17 < blindcoder> yes... yes, I could do that... gpsdrive has SQL support... 18:17 < esden> i know 18:17 < blindcoder> mom, need to read up on this 18:17 < esden> that is why they implementet it for sure ;) 18:17 < blindcoder> erm... 18:17 < blindcoder> I think I can't do that now... 18:17 < blindcoder> I just got two more Episodes of Happy Lesson Advanced ^^ 18:18 < esden> *sigh* 18:18 < blindcoder> well, what else can I do? 18:18 < esden> burn these episodes and continue your gps work ;) 18:19 < blindcoder> There won't be any ROCK DVDs at CCCamp due to b0rken Cluster-Build-Feature, my bandwidth is currently hogged by gpsdrive... 18:20 < esden> that is a mess ... but hopefully that would move some people to work on that cluster stuff 18:20 < esden> ;) 18:21 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M355P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:22 < blindcoder> you want an honest opinion on that+? 18:22 < n00kie> moin 18:23 < esden> blindcoder: no ... I know it already: "remove the cluster stuff from rock" 18:23 < esden> but that is not the right solution 18:23 < esden> it should be fixed 18:23 < blindcoder> moin n00kie 18:23 < esden> or reimplemented so that it is usable 18:23 < esden> hi n00kie 18:23 < blindcoder> esden: but who HAS access to a cluster to fix it? 18:23 < esden> blindcoder: we have 18:23 < blindcoder> esden: yes... this week... 18:23 < blindcoder> Saturday I have to give it back... 18:23 < esden> no ... also l8er we will have access to it 18:24 < esden> blindcoder: nope ... that is not correct 18:24 < esden> we only have to use a box of our own as a master ... and run the node's diskless 18:24 < blindcoder> do you have 4 machines for a cluster? 18:24 < blindcoder> I only have one.. two at the end of the week... 18:25 < esden> and ... if we ask our main admin politely we perhups get also some disk space on that machines 18:25 < blindcoder> that's not enough to trigger those bugs 18:25 < esden> argh blindcoder ... read once more what I wrote ... 18:25 < esden> bingo ... has machines 18:25 < blindcoder> esden: and I repeat: bingo needs those machines starting September for "Schulungen" 18:25 < esden> and? 18:25 < esden> where is the problem? 18:26 < blindcoder> 3027 won't give us any access to those machines as long as they run 18:26 < esden> blindcoder: we get the access 18:26 < esden> I had already permission to do that ... 18:26 < blindcoder> we'd have to tie him up in a storage room to get it. Not I dislike this idea in general, but... 18:26 < esden> we only must not touch the discs 18:27 < esden> blindcoder: do what you want ... but I am against removal of the cluster stuff from the rock tree 18:27 < blindcoder> hmm 18:27 < esden> I am for fixing it ... 18:27 < blindcoder> I don't want it removed either. 18:27 < blindcoder> But fixing it is almost equal to reimplementing it... 18:27 < blindcoder> And I doubt that rene will want that in 2.0 18:27 < esden> blindcoder: no ... investing thinking ... 18:28 < esden> blindcoder: the cluster stuff has to be marked experimental 18:28 < esden> that is all 18:28 < esden> for now 18:28 < esden> the same has to be done with dietlibc target if I do not get it usable till the release 18:28 < blindcoder> well, that for sure.. 18:30 < blindcoder> I'm now reconfiguring the target so that it is a single-machine build and fix the packages by hand... 18:30 < blindcoder> maybe I can pull it off to get a usable DVD-Iso till the weekend... 18:31 < blindcoder> although I'm not sure if I also will have time for desktop target... 18:33 < blindcoder> hehe gpsdrive already has 2.8 degrees longitude downloaded :-) 18:35 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@p50839EF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M288P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:53 < starlord> damm,anyone know good rmvb viewer? 18:54 < jsaw> what's rmvb? 18:54 < starlord> dont know,friend of mine sent it,and he says its movie format 18:55 < esden> real movie? 18:55 < jsaw> then xine 18:55 < jsaw> (what does file say?) 18:57 < jsaw> does anyone know the impact of adding --enable-compat185 to the bdb4* confopt's? 18:57 * -> esden is not a bdb guy 18:59 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M355P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:07 < blindcoder> jsaw: that creates a header files which maps the bdb 1.85 calls onte 4.x calls 19:07 < blindcoder> jsaw: it's almost vital if you want to use for example webalizer 19:11 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.186] has joined #rocklinux 19:20 < rxr> what are teh problems with your cluster build ? 19:22 < rxr> I only have the usual PPC errors on my RS/6000 iBook cluster builds - only very few real cluster issues 19:23 < rxr> damn the qt package got scheduled for the RS/6000 - that takes half a day to build there ... 19:23 < rxr> hm - anyway 19:27 < blindcoder> rxr: for example: imlib imlib2 are perfectly fine, but gnome-libs14 can't find imlib then... 19:28 < blindcoder> rxr: I just deleted $root/var/adm/logs/*imlib* and ran a stand-alone-build 19:28 < gomer> re 19:28 < jsaw> blindcoder: so, why is it not enabled for bdb4[01]? 19:28 < blindcoder> rxr: imlib got copmiled, and afterwards gnome-libs14 built just fin, too 19:28 < blindcoder> jsaw: I have no idea... 19:29 < jsaw> hmm, gnucash now building... 19:29 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll now build as much as possible on the cluster, then move the stuff to my more powerful machine at home and finish compiling there. 19:29 < blindcoder> rxr: with a bit of luck I can provide the ISOs for CCCamp 19:32 -!- rammi_ [1000@216.236.217.186] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@p50839EF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 20:02 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.186] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:08 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.168] has joined #rocklinux 20:15 -!- rammi_ [1000@216.236.217.186] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:19 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.168] has quit ("Changing server") 20:23 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, tfing, rolla, jsaw, praenti, n00kie_, starlord, cchamilt, blindcoder, fake, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:23 -!- gomer [cherryston@backslashdot.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:23 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.168] has joined #rocklinux 20:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: n00kie_, blindcoder, tfing, jsaw, starlord, fake, cchamilt, kasc, owl, rolla (+6 more) 20:23 -!- gomer [cherryston@backslashdot.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:28 < rxr> rehi owl 20:29 < owl> hi rxr . how are you? 20:38 < rolla> fake? 20:38 < owl> ... is n/a 20:38 < rolla> damn 20:39 < rolla> I might be able to get an octane 20:39 < esden> but I think he should be back soon ... 20:39 < rolla> cool 20:39 < esden> rolla: he is interested for sure 20:39 * -> esden too ;) 20:39 < rolla> well it is not like I can give it to hom 20:39 < rolla> too heavy to ship 20:39 < esden> full ack 20:39 < SMP> what the fuck ... 20:39 < rolla> yeah there are 2 of them :) 20:39 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@p50839EF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 < SMP> is creating the files /1> and /root/1> 20:40 < esden> SMP: that are the singularities in the filesystem 20:41 < SMP> blh 20:41 < christ|an> re 20:41 < SMP> blah 20:41 < esden> SMP: good answer ;) 20:42 < SMP> chipcardd oopses my kernel ;( 20:42 -!- netrunne1 [~netrunner@p5080291A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:42 < christ|an> I have got a little C Problem. 20:42 < christ|an> with the following code 20:43 < esden> SMP: chipcard? 20:44 < SMP> jsaw: I strongly support --enable-compat185, too 20:44 < SMP> esden: the double-d was not an error ;) 20:45 < christ|an> int zeich; 20:45 < christ|an> while ( (zeich = getc(stdin)) != EOF) 20:45 < christ|an> if(putc(zeich, stdout) == EOF) 20:45 < christ|an> exit(0); 20:45 < christ|an> i dont understand why this code is correct :) 20:45 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl 20:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: owl 20:46 < owl> rehi 20:49 < esden> SMP: I thought that the double 'd' was an error ... my error correction algorithms catched that error ;) 20:50 < esden> christ|an: this code is reading chars and printing them back no stdout ... where is the problem? 20:51 < christ|an> Yeah i know what this code is doing 20:51 < christ|an> but: 20:51 < owl> christ|an: www.google.com, www.pronix.de. dot. 20:51 < christ|an> haha owl 20:51 < owl> rls 20:52 < esden> christ|an: do not care about owl ;) 20:52 < esden> christ|an: but? 20:54 < owl> ... 'i'm not able to explain the problem '... 20:55 < esden> owl: you know ... there is such thing called query ;) 20:55 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802289.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:55 < owl> esden: i know something? that's something new ;pppp 20:56 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E121A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 < tsa> hi all 20:57 < owl> hi tsa 20:57 < owl> .oO( the evil appears. *hiding in a dark corner of #rocklinux* ) 20:58 < owl> +d 20:59 < blindcoder> *yawn* 20:59 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 20:59 < owl> hi blindy 21:00 < blindcoder> hi owly ^^ 21:06 < tsa> hi blindcoder 21:06 < blindcoder> hi tsa 21:06 < tsa> blindcoder: regarding your libsdl package.. 21:06 < esden> hehe ... I love shellscripts ;) 21:06 < tsa> the 1.2.5 is pretty old, i'd suggest to go for cvs. 21:07 < owl> esden: who did you replace with a very small shellscript? 21:07 < esden> owl: you 21:08 < owl> .oO(i thought that) 21:08 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.168] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:08 < owl> but as you can see, i'm still here. ... so you couldn't have replaced me 21:09 < esden> no owl ... I replaced you with that small shellscript ... it is not difficult to implement a bot in shellscript that is writing the stuff you write here *lough* 21:09 < rxr> mnemoc: are you really here ? 21:09 < esden> .oO(that was a hard one) 21:09 < rolla> rxr how much do you know about mips? 21:09 < Aard> some people should'nt be root -- `killall -9 screen' as rot on a bigger box with some users.. :) 21:09 < rxr> rolla: not much ... 21:09 < rolla> dang 21:10 < rolla> I need to know if mips is supported on these octanes 21:10 < owl> esden: *kick* 21:11 < blindcoder> tsa: why? do some packages don't like the 1.2.5 release? 21:11 < esden> rolla: nope ... it is a r10000 21:11 < esden> if I remember correctly 21:11 < rolla> :( 21:11 < rolla> so it is worthless 21:11 < esden> they are not supported under linux if I am informed correctly 21:12 < tsa> blindcoder: the 1.2.5 release is ok, but a lot of bugs have been fixed in cvs. 21:12 < blindcoder> Aard: need a lart? 21:12 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit ("leaving") 21:12 < tsa> i'm using sdl from cvs here since about a week or something 21:12 < Aard> blindcoder: not my box. 21:13 < blindcoder> tsa: as I already stated back on samba, I prefer stable releases in core packages... and libsdl is used not only by games so I consider it one... are there "official" patches and fixes? I'd prefer those 21:13 < blindcoder> Aard: oh... okay then ^^ 21:13 < Aard> just thinking about writing a better selflart-tool -- killall with regex-support ;) 21:13 < tsa> afaik no. 21:15 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.245.161.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 < rxr> for samba clifford and I prefer 3.0 - since we might have a rather script update policy in 2.0 - and might not update a major release during the 2.0 preiod ... 21:18 < blindcoder> rxr: sure. I voiced my opinion back then and accepted the decision of the decision-makers. 21:20 < blindcoder> And since we _are_ nearing -rc1 I prefer _stable_ _releases_. The exception in my own packages is koules because they never released anything outside CVS. 21:22 < esden> blindcoder: SMP reported that kterm is broken 21:22 < esden> SMP: could you voice your problem please? 21:24 < blindcoder> hmm.. it built just fine even on the cluster... 21:24 < SMP> kterm: no available ptys 21:24 < blindcoder> hm... i saw that once... 21:24 < blindcoder> have to dig how I fixed it... 21:26 * SMP hates tidbit 21:26 < SMP> er 21:26 < SMP> tibit 21:27 < SMP> /usr/etc and such crap in libchipcard 21:27 < blindcoder> ah yes... 21:27 < blindcoder> kterm isn't devfs aware... 21:28 < SMP> (WHY DO PEOPLE NOT TEST THEIR FUCKING PACKAGES?!) 21:28 < SMP> blindcoder: that took you 3 minutes longer to guess than me ... 21:28 -!- cytrionx_ [~cytrinox@dsl-213-023-052-227.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:28 < blindcoder> well, since I have complete MKOLDCOMPAT in /etc/devfsd.conf it takes me a bit longer.. 21:29 < blindcoder> I'll look into creating a patch for kterm. 21:31 -!- cytrionx_ is now known as Nebukadneza 21:32 < owl> hi Nebukadneza 21:32 < Nebukadneza> owl: hi ... 21:32 < Nebukadneza> @all: sorry 4 wrong nickname 21:35 -!- dennis [dennis@pD9E4D540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:35 < rxr> this gnome-terminal is so brain dead .... 21:35 < SMP> ACK 21:36 < SMP> but it can do tabulator-switching with the keyboard, which konsole can not 21:37 * blindcoder going to sleep 21:37 < blindcoder> good night, everyone! 21:38 < netrunne1> blindcoder: already away? 21:38 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 21:41 < esden> n8 blindcoder 21:47 < rxr> sure 21:47 < rxr> shite + left-arrow || right-arrow 21:47 < rxr> this gnome-terminal is too stupid to select a regular expressin with the mouse 21:48 < rxr> it results in too many selected chars - maybe some wide-char recognizing bug .... 21:50 < rxr> SMP: do you have some more lines for the rocknet ? 21:54 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091fb4.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:54 < scoopexH> hi ! 21:56 < scoopexH> i would like to boot a small rocklinux-system via pxe-boot - is there any documentaion about available ? 22:00 < rxr> it should be quite straigt forward, I guess there is no ROCK specific howto ... 22:02 < rxr> I shoudl write some lines abou it into the handbook ... 22:03 < scoopexH> rxr: i'm experienced with linux - but not with building a net-bootable distribution :-)) 22:03 < rxr> scoopexH: IIRC you do not need to build s.th. special ... (but I have not done this recently ...) 22:04 < scoopexH> rxr: i know that it is not very difficult to build such a system - but it's hard to collect these informations if you are unexperienced with remote-booting linux :-) 22:05 -!- ring0 [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 22:06 < rxr> do you need this today? I could collect the info and add it to the apendix of the ROCK Handbook ... 22:06 < scoopexH> a small section which describes how to build the kernel on a active lnux-system and how to place the kernel and the files on the tftp and nfs-server would be nice ..... 22:06 < scoopexH> rxr: not tody :-)) 22:06 < netrunner> rxr: for net boot you need basically some special kernel options, depending on your setup. like kernel ip config, maybe nfs automout at boot ... 22:06 < rxr> IIRC you do not need to rebuild the ROCK kernel ... 22:08 < scoopexH> i would like to build a small system with maybe 8-16 megabytes which can make a adsl-connect, routing and nat ....ssh-login would also be nice :-) 22:09 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.185] has joined #rocklinux 22:10 < scoopexH> do you think it is possible to make this system undependend from the tftp/nfs-server ? - so it is possible to get a quiet home-router :-)) 22:11 < netrunner> scoopexH: sure, if you have enough memory to keep the / there, then you can copy it there after boot and umount the nfs. 22:12 < scoopexH> netrunner: cool :-) 22:12 < scoopexH> netrunner: i have at least a 8mb flash-disk :-) 22:13 < netrunner> scoopexH: or just put everything on the floppy. look at the (dead) lrp, or fli4l 22:13 < netrunner> scoopexH: the 8mb would probably suffice for the things you mentioned. but I haven't done that in rock so far. 22:18 < scoopexH> netrunner: this machine has no floppy :-)) it's a igel-xterm whith a i386-compatible cpu :-)) 22:19 < scoopexH> netrunner: don't you think rocklinux is a good choice for my plans ? 22:20 < SMP> rxr: no rocknet code today - but I did some brainstorming 22:21 < Nebukadneza> does anyone know the command for kdecc and gnomecc 22:24 < netrunner> scoopexH: I think it is a good idea if you want to create your own dist. It is not a good idea if you get afraid of rolling rocks towards you. 22:24 < netrunner> scoopexH: then you might bette get a out-of the box thing like fli4l, and just don't know that's inside. 22:47 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 22:47 < A-Tui> hola 22:50 < rxr> scoopexH: yes ROCK is a good choise - we even have a router target which is 6MB or so - you only need to add dsl stuff 22:51 < rxr> and Clifford is currently updating the router and adds IDE disk support so it can run out of flash devices ... 22:59 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-158-093.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:16 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 23:18 < rxr> scoopexH: maybe this does help you: https://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php 23:23 < rxr> SMP: could we work towards a basically functional rocknet to this weekend? 23:25 < SMP> rxr: that was my plan 23:26 < rxr> ok. Could you checking an initial version into svn? Or is is still mostly the same as I send it? (so I could checkin it too....) 23:29 < rxr> *lol* 23:29 < rxr> Specifies, in seconds, the time to wait before reboot in the event of TFTP failure. 0 means wait "forever" (in reality, it waits approximately 136 years.) 23:30 < SMP> I want/need to move around some things before first ci 23:30 < SMP> thanks for the hint about switching tabs in konsole 23:31 < rxr> no problem ;-) You gave me many more tips already! 23:32 < SMP> now I just need to get my .inputrc "backward-word / forward-word on Ctrl Left / Right" hack working again 23:32 < rxr> I could need soem more PPC boxes for the cluster build ... 23:32 < SMP> rxr: only 2000 EUR for a G5 ;-> 23:34 < rxr> ;-) Some 19" Server from Apply would make a pretty cluster ;-) 23:36 < SMP> rxr: by the way do you know how I can customize keys the keys for konsole? 23:38 < tsa> lol 23:38 < tsa> https://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1739 23:38 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1320.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:39 < Nebukadneza> Freak==fake? 23:39 < SMP> Nebukadneza: no 23:39 < Nebukadneza> ohh 23:39 < Nebukadneza> :( 23:39 < Nebukadneza> but 23:39 < Nebukadneza> char fake="freak"; 23:42 < rxr> SMP: context menu (right click on konsole) -> Settings -> Configure Shortcuts 23:42 < rxr> maybe ? 23:42 < rxr> what keys do you want to modify ? 23:43 < rxr> btw with shift + ctrl + arrows you move the tabs around ... 23:43 < SMP> oh 23:44 < SMP> it wasn't obvious for me what 'Shortcuts' meant 23:46 < SMP> ok, last question ;-) how do I get rollup, not maximize on doubleclick on the window title? 23:48 < rxr> erhm ??? 23:48 < rxr> this is de default in the theme I use ... - seems to be theme specific - maybe this can be changed by the user somwhere in the contol centre 23:51 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091fb4.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:55 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:59 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.185] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) --- Log closed Wed Jul 30 00:00:38 2003