--- Log opened Thu Jul 31 00:00:55 2003
--- Day changed Thu Jul 31 2003
00:03 < rxr> re
00:03 < daja77> wb rxr
00:03 < rxr> daja77: yes 0.26 ...
00:03 < daja77> ic
00:03 < rxr> or is there some known problem with it ?
00:04 < daja77> i hope not
00:04 < daja77> haven't read their chan recently
00:06 < rxr> you check'ed out the handbook ?
00:06 < daja77> i did
00:06 < rxr> do you already have some comments ?
00:07 < daja77> yes I'd prefer using pdflatex instead of ps2pdf
00:10 < rxr> hm - don't I do this already ...
00:10 < rxr> ah - I used dvi2pds or so ...
00:10 < rxr> I guess pdf latex will do links and native pictures ?
00:11 < daja77> yes
00:11 < daja77> but you'd need some src changes for that
00:11 < rxr> hm - why and of what kind?
00:11 < daja77> i could do that for you, tomorrow if you like
00:12 < rxr> would I still be able to generate normal .dvi and html stuff
00:12 < rxr> (although the latex2html sucks anyway ...)
00:12 < daja77> hmm I could send you an example document which can be used to produce both outputs
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00:19 < rxr> daja77: if you like - feel free to send it over ...
00:19 * daja77 looking for it
00:21 < Aard> hm. how can I boot windows from a grub promt? :)
00:21 < daja77> mom
00:23 < rxr> Aard: chainloader (hd?,?) +1
00:23 < rxr> IIRC
00:24 < Aard> rxr: `filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist'
00:24 < daja77> yes chainloader
00:25 < daja77> makeactive (hdx,x) before
00:25 < SMP> a) grub comes with an example_menu.lst b) RTFM
00:25 < Nebukadneza> rxr: what means IIRC?
00:26 < daja77> irish internet relation chat
00:26 < Nebukadneza> omg
00:26 < Nebukadneza> why irish?
00:26 < esden> daja77: nice ;)
00:27 < daja77> just kidding
00:27 < daja77> :)
00:27 < Nebukadneza> omg
00:27 < Nebukadneza> does anyone know how to burn bin/cue?
00:27 < esden> Nebukadneza: IIRC = "If I Recall Correctly"
00:28 < esden> Nebukadneza: jargon file is your friend ;)
00:28 < Nebukadneza> jargon file?
00:28 < Nebukadneza> *mowl*
00:28 < daja77> google is your friend
00:28 < SMP> Nebukadneza: k3b knows bin/cue
00:29 < Nebukadneza> SMP: if i try it with k3b it says there is no empty cd ... but the cd IS empty and it burns iso images (2minutes later, not rebootet or something) without problems
00:29 < SMP> cool
00:30 < SMP> another case of: Gnome looks bad and doesn't work and KDE looks good and doesn't work as well
00:31 < esden> Nebukadneza: http://www.jargonfile.com/
00:31 * -> esden has to do something about his latency >_<
00:31 < Nebukadneza> use fluxbox
00:31 < Nebukadneza> looks cool and works well
00:32 < Nebukadneza> löl
00:32 < SMP> Nebukadneza: can fluxbox burn your cue files? :->
00:32 < esden> argh a umlaut character!!! *run*
00:32 < Nebukadneza> "Gnome looks bad and doesn't work and KDE looks good and doesn't work as well" <--<--
00:33 < esden> SMP: windowmanagers are not for burning cd's ;)
00:33 * SMP can't see umlauts in ISO-8859-15 because konsole is too stupid to do charset translation
00:33 < esden> SMP: you are lucky ;)
00:33 < SMP> gnome-terminal can do it, but it messes up the screen "$)(/$/"&%§
00:34 < esden> SMP: they look terrible
00:34 * daja77 uses gnome-terminal under kde
00:34 < Nebukadneza> doh
00:34 < n00kie_> lol daja77
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00:34 < tsa> hi all.
00:34 < n00kie_> [00:26]        daja77 | irish internet relation chat
00:34 < n00kie_> lol
00:34 < n00kie_> :)
00:34 * Nebukadneza uses eterm in fluxbox
00:34 < n00kie_> hey tsa
00:34 < esden> daja77: you get more and more a evil man ... 
00:34 < esden> daja77: you get really better in it ;)
00:34 * n00kie_ uses XTerm
00:34 * -> esden uses ETerm
00:35 * tsa uses brain
00:35 < Nebukadneza> esden: jeah
00:35 < esden> and ATerm
00:35 < tsa> :-P
00:35 < n00kie_> yeah
00:35 < tsa> A-Team? ;-)
00:35 < daja77> esden: of course i was nice to you this morning ;-)
00:35 < n00kie_> ATerm rocks
00:35 < esden> tsa: that is new ...
00:35 * Nebukadneza got to go
00:35 < Nebukadneza> cya
00:35 < Nebukadneza> gn8
00:35 < tsa> cu Nebukadneza
00:35 < n00kie_> sleep well, Nebukadneza :)
00:35 < Nebukadneza> dream of penguins slaughtering billy
00:35 < Nebukadneza> *hrhr*
00:35 < rxr> hi tsa
00:35 < tsa> hi rxr
00:35 < n00kie_> hi Rene
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00:36 < esden> daja77: sure you were nice ... owl was less nice ... she kicked me just after I woke up ...
00:36 < daja77> she always kicks someone
00:36 < daja77> good it was you
00:36 < n00kie_> I never got kicked :)
00:36 * -> esden kicks n00kie_ 
00:36 < esden> n00kie_: do you feel better now?
00:36 < tsa> rxr: regarding wxwindows...i had it installed here before and needed to upgrade...and just making a rock package of it was quite easy..
00:37 < n00kie_> yeah esden
00:37 < n00kie_> kick me esden
00:37 < n00kie_> kick me
00:37 < daja77> rxr: big attachement, sorry
00:37 < n00kie_> i need that
00:37 < n00kie_> ;-)
00:37 < esden> n00kie_: no
00:37 < n00kie_> no? :(
00:37 < daja77> n00kie_: come to dev meeting, so that we can kick you there
00:37 < rxr> tsa: jupst just wxwindows worked just fine - only rapid svn had link problems. ..
00:37 < esden> daja77: that will be the social event ... kicking n00kie_ ;)
00:38 < rxr> hm - typing on a keyboard after palyin half an hour guitar feels strange
00:38 < tsa> ah, i see.
00:38 < n00kie_> ;)
00:38 < daja77> yes the celebration
00:38 < rxr> hm - so soft here - no steel strings ...
00:38 < n00kie_> steel?
00:38 < n00kie_> o_O
00:38 < daja77> rxr: cool will you play in vienna?
00:38 < esden> rxr: you could mod your keyboard ...
00:39 < rxr> hm - I should train some weeks so I can play better again
00:39 < SMP> btw. I will have my new laptop for CCC - Sony GRT796SP :-]]
00:39 < daja77> hehe guitar to keyboard translator
00:39 < rxr> (I have not trained that much over the last years ...)
00:39 < rxr> SMP: you are a Sony fan ?
00:40 < daja77> so we I guess he have to let esden sing ...
00:40 * n00kie_ has no laptop
00:40 < n00kie_> yeah
00:40 * tsa neither
00:40 < n00kie_> and you're the dancing mascot, daja
00:40 < daja77> doh
00:40 < daja77> yes
00:40 < daja77> but blindcoder is the mascot ...
00:40 < SMP> P4 2.5 GHz, 1 GB RAM, GeForce FX Go 5600, 80 GB HB, 16.1" display :]
00:40 < n00kie_> o_O
00:40 < SMP> rxr: well, a satisfied user
00:41 < n00kie_> This laptop is faster then my fastest workstation ;-)
00:41 < rxr> hm - my iBook is also faster then the RS/6000 B50 ... *lol*
00:41 < daja77> hehe
00:41 < rxr> this is why I do a cluster build with two jobs on the iBook ...
00:41 < rxr> and only one on the RS/6000 ....
00:41 < SMP> hehe
00:43 < daja77> d'oh havent checked if the sample doc uses the hyperref package
00:43 < daja77> no it doesn't :-(
00:44 < daja77> rxr: if you add \usepackage{hyperref} to that document, you'll get the navigation bar on the left in acrobat
00:45 < tsa> hm...scsi cables are way too expensive.
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00:45 < tsa> ho jsaw
00:46 < tsa> s/ho/hi/
00:46 < daja77> hiho ;-)
00:46 < tsa> hehe
00:46 < jsaw> me re, hi all
00:47 < daja77> huhu jsaw
00:47 < jsaw> *wave*
00:48 * daja77 was forced to watch 8 mile yesterday *yaaawn*
00:48 < jsaw> I can tell u, the new option in evo-1.4 to filter mails thru an external command (eg. spamassassin) is great!
00:48 < daja77> what a progress *lol*
00:49 < rxr> daja77: btw do you know how I can define contitions in LaTeX to use one code in one output and another in another output?
00:49 < rxr> I would like to use nice symbols liek \Checkmark and so on in tables
00:49 < daja77> guess someone got a reminder what unix philosophy is all about
00:49 < tsa> hm..
00:49 < rxr> but they are missing in the html output
00:49 < tsa> if ( $SIZE < 26144 )
00:49 < tsa> {
00:49 < tsa>   xfilter "/usr/bin/spamc"
00:49 < tsa> }
00:49 < tsa> works for me ;)
00:49 < jsaw> tsa?
00:50 < daja77> rxr: sure just define another if like that one for pdftex check
00:50 < tsa> does evolution 1.4 create vaild message-id's?
00:50 < rxr> ah - ok I take a look in your document ...
00:51 < jsaw> tsa: All my mails are sent with evo. Just check them.
00:51 < tsa> Message-Id: <1059602941.28115.12.camel@volans>
00:52 < tsa> ok, it still doesn't.
00:52 < daja77> hehe
00:52 < jsaw> daja77: is there another *easy* possibility to filter mails on a IMAP server?
00:52 < jsaw> tsa: what's wrong with this?
00:53 < daja77> jsaw: dunno, I was talking about sth else ...
00:53 < tsa> jsaw: message-id's have to be globally unique, it is therefore recommended to have the fqdn on the righthand side of the @ sign
00:53 < esden> hi jsaw 
00:53 < jsaw> hi esden
00:54 < daja77> gn8 you all
00:54 < jsaw> tsa: even if the domain is not valid?
00:54 < jsaw> gn8 daja77, cu.
00:54 < jsaw> tsa: forget last comment.
00:55 < tsa> jsaw: of course not - in RFC terms, it "must" be globally unique and using the fqdn is "recommended"
00:55 < tsa> hehe
00:55 < jsaw> tsa: messages from volans are sent with evo-1.2
00:55 < tsa> yes, 1.2.4
00:56 < jsaw> tsa: Message-Id: <1059510152.15331.16.camel@voyager.earth.ufp> with evo-1.4
00:56 < tsa> jsaw: ah...that one looks better
00:56 < tsa> early evolution versions just did a gethostname() to determine what to put there..
01:04 < rxr> daja77: the mail has not yet arrived
01:05 < jsaw> rxr: why does [xgk]dm need to be started with inittab?
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01:06 < rxr> ah ok - now it is here
01:06 < rxr> jsaw: see mail
01:07 < jsaw> rxr: you're mail just states it, but doesn't explain. What am I missing here?
01:08 < jsaw> rxr: with "[...] focus. All [...]", you mean, "[...] focus, therefore all [...]"?
01:10 < rxr> the X server is lunch asynchronously at some point during the startup
01:10 < rxr> and the normal init progresses further
01:11 < rxr> after some msec or sec the XServer initilizes it's new virtual-console
01:11 < rxr> but sometime this happens _before_ the vc2 - vc6 are created
01:12 < rxr> so if this creation happens after X initilized it's console X looses it's keyboard focus and all the keypresses go to an normal vc2-vc6
01:12 < rxr> (everytime when I saw this it was vcs ....)
01:12 < jsaw> I still do not understand then, why using an init script is not the way to go?
01:12 < rxr> daja77: damn that latex is so ugly when it comes to multiple outputs and pictures
01:12 < jsaw> rxr: why not use different main files?
01:13 < rxr> because it alway is asynchron to the the virtual terminal initialization - if it is last in the inittab it really is last
01:13 < rxr> what "main" files?
01:13 < rxr> (btw: Other dists also do it via inittab ... - and kdm get's more reboot shutdown features - although I do not know exactly why)
01:13 < jsaw> e.g. html.tex: \def\htmlcode\n\input report
01:15 < rxr> well that might be easier than this conditionals ...
01:15 < tsa> we have several RH9 systems at work which also start gdm through inittab
01:15 < tsa> (and it sucks)
01:16 < rxr> tsa: why ?
01:17 < tsa> rxr: gdm has a nice "shutdown" button. you hit on shutdown, it forks off "shutdown" into the background and exits.
01:17 < tsa> then gdm respawns..
01:17 < tsa> after that, Rh complains that the X server might have crashed.
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01:18 < tsa> in other words: when i leave work, i feel happy about jounaling filesystems and hit the damn power-off button.
01:18 < rxr> tsa: hm - never saw this on my ROCK systems with ?dm via intitab
01:18 < tsa> ;)
01:19 < rxr> when kdm is started via inittab the user is even able to shutdown or reboot from the "K" menu's or pannel's logout button ...
01:19 < rxr> although I do not know if this is only possible when kdm is started via inittab
01:19 < tsa> rxr: i can't judge about that...my last rock install was quite a while ago..
01:19 < rxr> tsa: it was a modified ROCK - we still have no initab start yet
01:20 < rxr> tsa: but this keyboard focus problem was reported by several persons - individually. And also I saw this on two boxes
01:20 < tsa> (but i have a reinstall on my schedule....when i will finally get this damn scsi cable..)
01:20 < rxr> inittab useage was a 100% reliable way to fix it
01:20 < tsa> SV:123456:respawn:/command/svscanboot
01:20 < tsa> ;-)
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01:21 < rxr> what is svscanboot =
01:21 < tsa> daemontools.
01:22 < tsa> most of my daemons are run by daemonstools...
01:23 < jsaw> BTW, anybody should add an init script for xfs
01:23 < jsaw> eh, s/anybody/somebody/
01:27 < tsa> s/somebody/the maintainer/
01:27 < tsa> ;-)
01:28 < jsaw> hmm, that is, guess...
01:28 < jsaw> tatatataaaaaaa: rxr
01:28 < jsaw> hehe
01:28 < tsa> hm..
01:28 < jsaw> (xfree86)
01:28 < tsa> hehe
01:30 < rxr> xfs ?
01:30 < jsaw> X Font Server
01:30 < jsaw> It is much better than including all font path in XF86Config!!!!!!!
01:34 < jsaw> That's btw, what the line >FontPath     "unix/:7100"< is for.
01:35 < rxr> Yes - I now
01:35 < rxr> feel free to write an init file ...
01:37 < jsaw> wanna buy me a time machine...? ;)
01:40 < jsaw> add it to the TODO, let's see, if I find some time...
01:41 < rxr> jsaw: or s.o. else ...
01:41 < rxr> but well - adding it to TODO takes as much time as an init script ...
01:41 < rxr> damn
01:41 < jsaw> okay, I'll keep it in mind. If it's not done before rc2, I'll complain or simply do it... ;)
01:43 < rxr> 0.26 SVN online
01:43 < rxr> jsaw: nope I'll do it now ...
01:43 < jsaw> alreay compiling...
01:43 < jsaw> rxr: thank you!
01:43 < rxr> the http:// transport will normally just work ...
01:43 < rxr> jsaw: if you could post your normal startup parameters for the daemon
01:44 < rxr> btw: I'll update the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de mirror always later - so it can also be used as a converter for old svn:// clients ...
01:45 < jsaw> rxr: ?
01:46 < jsaw> rxr: Currently I start with runlevel 3 (network but no X). Then, if I need X, I run xfs by hand, then do "init 5"...
01:47 < jsaw> rxr: (which happens once or twice a week when the X Server hangs and thus have to reboot...)
01:48 < rxr> I meant s.th. other then -daemon ...
01:48 < rxr> in the init script
01:49 < jsaw> I don't get it. What parameters for what init script?
01:50 < jsaw> eeek: svn --version: 0.23.0, /opt/apache/bin/svn --version: 0.26.0
01:51 < rxr> the parameters / arguemtns you fire xfs in it's live
01:51 < rxr> *sigh*
01:52 < jsaw> sorry, xfs -daemon, nothing else. Though, one might want to add a -user for xfs.
01:52 < SMP> the fscking 'svn switch' doesnn't work
01:53 < SMP> because it needs access to the old repo
01:53 < jsaw> s/for xfs/for security reasons/
01:54 < jsaw> SMP: becaus the trunk is still rock-trunk...
01:54 < rxr> SMP: really - sigh ...
01:55 < jsaw> rxr: you still have to rename rock-trunk....
01:55 < rxr> but in the repo it will work - just as a switch from rock-trunk to rock-tags/2.0.0-beta7 works
01:55 < rxr> jsaw: yes I know
01:55 < SMP> oh, d'oh
01:55 < rxr> I wanted to wait a bit ... - since you commented I should
01:55 < rxr> SMP: ?
01:55 < jsaw> you mean from rock-trunk to tags/..., or?
01:56 < SMP> already too late again, I'm off
01:56 < jsaw> rxr: yep. I just wanted to give SMP a hint.
01:56 < rxr> jsaw: I meant to switch to a tag - not to move rock-trunk to tags ...
01:57 < jsaw> I should stop now, the length of my nerves are getting longer and longer - or maybe somebody is standing on them...
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01:58 * jsaw is getting himself a coffeine infusion, brb
01:59 < rxr> jsaw: committed ...
01:59 < rxr> I RENAMED:
01:59 < rxr> Committed revision 941.
02:00 < rxr> rock-trunk -> trunk now
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02:06 < tsa> i'll check what happens.
02:06 < tsa> # svn up
02:06 < tsa> svn: RA layer request failed
02:06 < tsa> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk'
02:06 < tsa> svn: REPORT of '/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk': 404 Not Found (http://schillernet.dyndns.org)
02:06 < tsa> ;)
02:07 < tsa> has the "svn switch" problem been solved so far?
02:07 < rxr> tsa: what kind of problem ?
02:07 < rxr> worked well here for me - either using http:// or svn://
02:09 < tsa> # svn switch http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/trunk
02:09 < tsa> svn: RA layer request failed
02:09 < tsa> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk'
02:09 < tsa> svn: REPORT of '/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk': 404 Not Found (http://schillernet.dyndns.org)
02:09 < tsa> this problem.
02:10 < rxr> hm - I do not get this
02:10 < rxr> which svn version ?
02:10 < tsa> svn, version 0.22.0 (r5842)
02:11 < jsaw> svn switch successful here (0.26).
02:11 < tsa> ok, i'll update, then
02:12 < rxr> nope
02:12 < rxr> not yet
02:12 < rxr> it worked with an older svn on the RS/6000
02:12 < tsa> hm..
02:12 < rxr> and I now try on my U5 - stay tuned
02:15 < esden> ok ... finished packing stuff
02:15 < esden> *sigh*
02:16 < tsa> ?
02:17 < esden> I was packing my home ... because I have to move >_<
02:17 < esden> that really sux
02:17 < tsa> full ack.
02:18 < tsa> <- moved into a flat about 3 weeks ago
02:18 < rolla> re
02:18 < rolla> rxr do you have a working rock iso for U10?
02:18 < rxr> esden: why do you have to pack
02:19 < rxr> rolla: no - no iso yet :-(#
02:19 * jsaw doesn't want to think about moving
02:19 < esden> rxr: because I have to move ;)
02:19 < rolla> let me know when you do I have a U10 and a U60 to test them on
02:19 < esden> rxr: I get other flat in the studentcity
02:20 < rxr> rolla: you can not accedently send one over ?
02:20 < tsa> why u10 and u60? because they're ide and scsi?
02:21 < rxr> tsa: I test with 0.23 on the U5 after a scripts/Cleanup finished ...
02:21 < esden> I have to give the key away at 10:00 till then the flat has to be empty .. >_<
02:21 < rolla> rxr if I could I would but mike1 has first dibs on the U10
02:21 < rolla> esden: why do you have to move?
02:21 < tsa> esden: have fun. moving just sucks.
02:21 < tsa> rolla: "dibs"?
02:22 < rolla> ah hmm how do I say
02:22 < rolla> has first chance at getting it
02:22 < esden> and I get the keys to the new flat on friday >_<
02:22 < tsa> ah, isee.
02:22 < rolla> yeah sorry about the americanism
02:23 < tsa> well...u5 and u10 are the same systems, just a different case.
02:23 < rolla> sort of
02:23 < tsa> not only "sort of"
02:23 < rolla> U5 has differant stuff less Mhz
02:23 < esden> rolla: because I get a new flat ... that is mine .. the current one is not really mine 
02:23 < rolla> ach so well that is cool I guess
02:24 < tsa> rolla: both use usparcIIi, up to 440mhz, max 1gb ram.
02:24 < rolla> hmm
02:24 < rolla> oh I am thinking of blade 1000 and blade 100
02:25 < tsa> rolla: the oly difference: you won't be able to put a full-size UPA card into the u5..
02:25 < rolla> :)
02:25 < rolla> I have never had to use U5 only U10's
02:26 < tsa> ah, ok.
02:26 < tsa> the best thing to do is to throw away the damn ide stuff and use scsi instead.
02:27 < esden> mike1 is changing email address?
02:27 < esden> why?
02:27 < tsa> don't know.
02:27 < rolla> he changed jobs
02:27 < rolla> tsa: ide in U10 is not bad it is cheaper than scsi
02:28 < rolla> I just replaced today a 9G with a 20G in the U10
02:28 < tsa> rolla: putting a scsi drive into my u10 gave it a pretty decent speedup..
02:28 < rolla> you put a scsi card in the machine?
02:29 < tsa> yes.
02:29 < rolla> cool
02:29 < rxr> tsa: I also have a Adaptec card in my U5 ...
02:29 < rolla> the U60 is the true horsepower of the bunch
02:29 < tsa> symbios 53c875 chip, everything except tekram
02:29 < rxr> and a IBM 10k RPM SCSI disk ...
02:29 < rolla> very nice
02:30 < rolla> wow this laptop is slow
02:30 * rolla wonders if it is cause he is compiling kde and gnome at same time %)
02:30 < tsa> (sun uses exactly the same chipset for their scsi controllers, so all the cheap lsi logic controllers you can get at ebay work without any problems, because they're natively supported by sun's "glm" driver..)
02:32 < tsa> ..at least my u60 doesn't have this "ide problem" ;-)
02:35 < esden> ok ... I now take a 3 hour nap before I empty my flat
02:35 < tsa> cu esden..
02:35 < esden> I will be back online on friday or so
02:35 < esden> cu guys
02:35 < rxr> cu esden
02:35 < esden> rxr: await some patches on friday ;)
02:36 < rxr> damn for some strange reason I do not find the sunhme module for the kernel I run on teh U5
02:36 < rxr> #!#!#!#!#!#1
02:36 < rxr> damn - I think it is the time to start a rock-included SUN kernel stuff (read cross-compile chain for it)
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02:36 < rxr> to get a new kernel with network support
02:36 * rxr really wonders when this .o file got lost ...
02:37 < tsa> hm.. /kernel/drv/hme
02:37 < tsa> ..on solaris ;)
02:39 < tsa> rxr: btw...i can "co" the new tree with svn 0.22 without any problems, seems like just "switch" doesn't work..
02:39 < tsa> ...and it's definitely time to reinstall the u60 .. *sigh*
02:41 < rxr> is rock or slowlaris running on it ?
02:41 < tsa> only solaris.
02:41 < tsa> i might do some rock-related testing on it, but basically, it'll be running solaris.
02:42 < rxr> hm - with 0.23 it worked fine here ...
02:42 < tsa> linux doesn't really like to run on sparc64 systems with more than one cpu...
02:42 < rxr> anyway I'm off to bed - and might start sparc64 cross chain in-rock work tomorrow (I need a new kernel on the box ...)
02:42 < rxr> cu
02:42 < tsa> cu rxr
02:44 < rolla> nacht all
02:45 < jsaw> cu rxr, rolla.
02:45 < tsa> i'm going to get some sleep, too.
02:45 < tsa> cu.
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03:00 < gomer> re
03:05 < jsaw> rxr: still awake????
03:07 < jsaw> =[0]=> Aborted building package linux24-header. i2c  patch fails...
03:34 < jsaw> hi gomer, and cu l8r
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03:35 < gomer> i have an bad error, booting rocklinux after the power went down for several seconds
03:35 < gomer> "VFS: unable to open root device "discs/disc0/part3" or 00:00"
03:36 < gomer> i have no clue, what the problem is
03:36 < gomer> before everything works just fine
03:37 < mnemoc> squirrelmail or courier?
03:37 < mnemoc> OT question ;)
03:39 < mnemoc> jsaw: a new i2c patch is on svn, try it
03:40 < mnemoc> or... that patch fails?
04:07 < rolla> yawn
04:11 < mnemoc> hi rolla
04:11 < mnemoc> what imap/webmail do u recomend for MailDirs?
04:14 < rolla> hmm
04:14 < rolla> not sure the one I use I want to get rid of
04:14 < rolla> I use coueier and postfix but I am switching back to sendmail and something else for webmail
04:14 < mnemoc> :|
04:14 < mnemoc> o_O
04:15 < mnemoc> what about squirrel?
04:15 < rolla> never heard of it
04:15 < rolla> what mailserver do you use?
04:17 < mnemoc> qmail
04:17 < rolla> ugh
04:17 < rolla> I used that before I was not a big fan of it
04:17 * rolla is loving his wifi :)
04:22 * mnemoc has a monolitic tower with lot of cables :|
04:24 < rolla> yeah I have many machines including on slow laptop so that is what the wifi is for :)
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04:47 < gomer> n8
04:47 < rolla> nacht
04:48 < n00kie_> night gomer
04:49 < n00kie_> Hey rolla :)
04:49 < n00kie_> You learned German?
04:49 < n00kie_> :)
04:49 < rolla> a little
04:49 < rolla> :)
04:49 < rolla> I have my learn to speak german cd
04:49 < n00kie_> hehe
04:50 < n00kie_> But use "Gute Nacht" :)
04:50 < n00kie_> That means "Good Night" :)
04:50 < rolla> I know what the means
04:50 < rolla> :P
04:50 < rolla> I took 2 years of german in high school
04:50 < rolla> I know the basics
04:50 < n00kie_> Ah
04:50 < n00kie_> Hehe
04:50 < rolla> ja
04:51 < rolla> it is the grammer that gets me
04:51 < gomer> can you speak pfälzisch? ;)
04:51 < n00kie_> lol
04:51 < rolla> ?
04:51 < n00kie_> it's an "akzent"
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04:51 < rolla> hmm
04:52 < rolla> okay
04:52 < gomer> ai mia in de balz babble all su en komische agzend - des verschdeht keh sau
04:52 < rolla> I don't understand a word of it.
04:52 < gomer> as i said :)
04:53 < n00kie_> lol
04:53 < n00kie_> I didn't understand it either
04:53 < n00kie_> Well, but I think, you understand "tirolerisch" :)
04:53 < n00kie_> Mia in tirol ham eigentlich nit so an orgen akzent wie die in Pfalzreich
04:54 < gomer> meaning: "we in palatina speak such a weird slang that nobody understands"
04:54 < rolla> ach so.
04:54 < rolla> yeah I used american slang here and noone understands me either
04:54 < gomer> nookie: do hob i verstand
04:55 < gomer> falls das richtig iss...
04:55 < gomer> naja - das war jetzt eben eher bayrisch
04:55 < n00kie_> rolla: Tell us something in your slang
04:55 < n00kie_> Naja
04:55 < n00kie_> Tirol == Bayern
04:55 < n00kie_> :)
04:55 < gomer> hmm - ehrlich? ;)
04:55 < rolla> hmm
04:55 < n00kie_> Yeah
04:55 < gomer> krass
04:55 < n00kie_> Since I told it to you :P
04:55 < rolla> dibs
04:56 < gomer> dibs?
04:56 < gomer> uhm - i was about to go to bed
04:56 < rolla> as in "I have dibs on that computer"
04:56 < gomer> so then - cya guys
04:57 < n00kie_> sleep well, little gomer
04:57 < rolla> nacht
04:57 < n00kie_> ;-)
04:57 < gomer> gud nochd - schloofd schäää
04:59 < rolla> n00kie_: wie spaet ist es?
04:59 < n00kie_> Es ist 04:59 in Zentral Europa.
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05:00 < n00kie_> If you understood that
05:01 < rolla> ja
05:01 < rolla> Es ist 21:56 GMT -6
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05:05 < rolla> night all
05:06 < n00kie_> sleep well
05:06 < rolla> thanks
05:06 < n00kie_> wb mnemoc
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05:27 < n00kie_> Good night
05:48 < mnemoc> good night too
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07:27 < netrunner> moin ... and away for work :)
07:28 < blindcoder> moin
07:29 < blindcoder> WEEE, bug in gcc parser
07:36 < blindcoder> nice, desktop build just building its last package
07:53 < starlord> hmm,everyone at sleep?
07:58 < blindcoder> sure
08:00 < blindcoder> okay, now going on to fixing problems caused by cluster-build
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08:10 < starlord> if i install from iso install sets can i rebuild later packages i need to my own cpu settings, isos are compiled for i386?
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08:36 < blindcoder> starlord: isos are usually compiled for i686 (pentium-mmx)
08:36 < blindcoder> starlord: but yes, you can rebuild them
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08:43 < starlord> hmm,so when i install gcc is compiled for i686 so i should rebuild it to p4 before anything else is rebuilded?
08:46 < starlord> or does it have any impact on those?
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08:58 < blindcoder> do _NOT_ optimize for p4!
08:58 < blindcoder> gcc has an optimization bug when optimizing for Pentium 4 which will cause Floating Point Operations to fail!
08:59 < starlord> eep,so i should use i686 until its fixed?
09:00 < blindcoder> yes
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09:03 < DeElsasser> moin
09:09 < blindcoder> moin moin
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09:15 < JTBurn> hi
09:16 < JTBurn> can anyone help to creat my own menu architecture and layout(eg a circle or an appel or a smili) under icewm?
09:16 < blindcoder> JTBurn: that's not difficult
09:17 < blindcoder> cd ~/.icewm/icons
09:17 < JTBurn> really ? with own layout, i mean like any pic
09:17 < JTBurn> no I mean the follow:
09:17 < blindcoder> and then create the app_16x16.xpm and app_32x32.xpm
09:18 < blindcoder> hm?
09:18 < JTBurn> I want to create a menu (like you can make with a html page and javascript for an active desktop) which is nothing like the normal taskbar or so
09:19 < blindcoder> erm... no.
09:19 < blindcoder> I don't think icewm has any such functinality
09:20 < A-Tui> hi
09:21 < JTBurn> what did you me explain ? with the icons. have you any screenshot whats the result of this ?
09:23 < blindcoder> A-Tui: hi
09:23 < blindcoder> JTBurn: you can create icons and use them in your own menu/taskbar
09:24 < JTBurn> ok, I though other things :)
09:24 < JTBurn> mh how can I realize that what I want ?
09:25 < A-Tui> hola blindcoder
09:25 < blindcoder> JTBurn: code it into iceWM
09:25 < blindcoder> icewm doesn't have such functionality AFAIK
09:25 < blindcoder> besides, what do yu want javascript and htmml in the start menu for?
09:26 < JTBurn> ähm that was an example who you can do it with the Active Desktop...
09:27 < blindcoder> so you simply want to change your icewm startmenu?
09:27 < JTBurn> yes the style and form
09:28 < JTBurn> I know such programms like iceme or so, but there i do nothing found
09:28 < blindcoder> hmm.... I think that would alse lead to some C-Programming... you can change the entries in it, but that's it.
09:30 < blindcoder> icewm isn't designed for this kind of things
09:30 < JTBurn> mh and did u know any other window manager who can do such stuff
09:30 < blindcoder> KDE, maybe...
09:31 < blindcoder> I don't know, I never felt the urge to change something as unimportant as a start menu
09:39 < starlord> blindcoder:do you know that pentium4 optimization bug entry code in bugzilla so i can track it down,so i know when its safe to use march=pentium4
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09:47 < DeElsasser> hi starlord: same problem with mozilla :-(
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09:49 < DeElsasser> starlord: in fact it's a gcc problem...
09:50 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: gcc on P4?
09:52 < starlord> yes i mean gcc's bugzilla code
09:57 < DeElsasser> blindcoder: I read about a patch (gnu mailinglist), I send a mail to them but never receive a response....
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09:59 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: those people take their time for responses
09:59 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: I sent a feature-patch to coreutils, took them over a week to reply
09:59 < DeElsasser> it seams it's a patch for gcc > 3.2.3
10:01 < DeElsasser> what's about gcc 3.3 in rock?
10:02 < DeElsasser> some use it?
10:02 < blindcoder> I haven't yet..
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10:03 < DeElsasser> a propos upgrade, just for say somethink, kde 3.1.3 is out...
10:04 < blindcoder> yes it is, but I doubt rene will be happy about that :-)
10:04 < DeElsasser> why?
10:05 < DeElsasser> just replace 2 by 3
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10:05 < blindcoder> kde is quite a big package, and it might break other things.
10:05 < starlord> hmm, so the p4 bug is only in gcc 3.3
10:05 < starlord> ?
10:05 < blindcoder> starlord: 3.2.3 at least
10:06 * starlord is taking lunch break
10:06 < blindcoder> lunch... still one hour to go until then...
10:06 < DeElsasser> starlord: what time is it?
10:07 < DeElsasser> blindcoder: 2 hours...
10:07 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: I have lunch at 11 ^^
10:07 < DeElsasser> gnargl
10:08 < blindcoder> harrharr
10:08 < blindcoder> btw...
10:08 < blindcoder> I need to call someone...
10:11 < DeElsasser> is someone know why sysvinit still on version 2.84 is?
10:13 < starlord> its 11:10 in here
10:13 < starlord> wow,5min lunch break,its my new record :)
10:14 < DeElsasser> and where is here?
10:14 < starlord> Finland :)
10:14 < DeElsasser> fastest or longest record?
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10:15 < starlord> longest,i usually just take a smoke at lunch break,but now i smoked and eated :)
10:15 < DeElsasser> lol
10:15 < starlord> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/32068.html
10:15 < starlord> very cool handheld
10:18 < DeElsasser> starlord: have you one for me to test, please?
10:19 < starlord> no,dont have one
10:20 < DeElsasser> :-(
10:20 < starlord> but cool features dont you think?
10:22 < blindcoder> WE! My GPS Receiver should be here monday in a week :-)
10:23 < DeElsasser> blindcoder: if the transport service find your house ;-) (have they a GPS?...)
10:24 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: well, my house is easy to find, but I don't think they have a GPS...
10:32 < blindcoder> it's fascinating how many more packages build as soon as you turn off Cluster Build..
10:33 * DeElsasser is hungry, he had no breakfast...
10:33 * blindcoder hands DeElsasser some pretzels
10:33 < DeElsasser> hm, miam miam, thx
10:34 * blindcoder turns into Ryo-Ohki and eat some carrots
10:34 < DeElsasser> pretzels or bretzels?
10:34 < DeElsasser> bretzels are better, I think
10:35 < blindcoder> pretzels, german "Brezen"
10:35 < blindcoder> erm
10:35 < blindcoder> yes
10:35 < owl> moin
10:35 < blindcoder> moin owly
10:35 < owl> hi blindy
10:35 < DeElsasser> moin, the killer owl
10:36 < blindcoder> owl: how's death?
10:36 * DeElsasser is not eating sausages today, but bretzels
10:37 < owl> blindcoder: hm. i'm afraid, i cannot tell ya some details about it...
10:37 < owl> DeElsasser: *kick*
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10:37 < DeElsasser> aïe
10:38 < owl> aie?
10:38 < DeElsasser> ouïlle
10:38 < owl> ???
10:39 < DeElsasser> autch?
10:39 < owl> ah. k. ;)
10:39 < blindcoder> owl: okay, then how's life?
10:40 < owl> blindcoder: hm. like every day, since birth. boring, empty, awful... yours?
10:42 < blindcoder> owl: Well, I feel like everytime I open my heart a bit someone stands ready to thrust a dagger at it.
10:46 < owl> hrm. don't open your heart then
10:47 < owl> btw, someone here from the IN-people know the URL of the "medipark" near westpark...? or better: the phone number of the apotheke in the medipark?
10:48 < blindcoder> well, that's something I can't do.
10:48 < owl> hrm. why not?
10:48 < blindcoder> Because I don't like sitting alone at home all day long.
10:48 < owl> hmmm. depends on the point of view...
10:49 < fake> morning
10:49 < blindcoder> moin fake
10:49 < owl> .oO(you can be alone, also, if you have "someone". imho. )
10:49 < owl> hi fake
10:49 < blindcoder> owl: 'can' and 'wanting to' are two things.
10:49 < owl> hrm.
10:50 < DeElsasser> bon appetit a tous ;-)
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10:54 < owl> hrm. i'm not liking if my drugs are not sent to me *argh*
10:56 < blindcoder> drugs?
10:58 < owl> blindcoder: cipramil... the apotheke said, it was delievered on tuesday... but it doesn't arrive here... migth the "postbeamten" have caught the pills and are dealing with them or so... *headshake*
10:59 < blindcoder> ic
11:01 * blindcoder --> lunch
11:02 < owl> guten hunger
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11:12 < owl> <-- off (breakfast/lunch/whatever)
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11:30 * blindcoder back
11:31 < daja77> moin
11:31 < blindcoder> moin moin daja77
11:31 < blindcoder> daja77: for koules, see mailing-list
11:32 < daja77> hi blindy :)
11:32 < daja77> more than 140 mails will dig through them later
11:34 < n00kie> wb blindcoder
11:35 < daja77> hmm I guessed that I'll shock rxr with that document
11:35 < blindcoder> daja77: okay, just so much: it looks like a bug in gcc's parser because the error is in a comment!
11:35 < blindcoder> n00kie: thx
11:36 < daja77> lol
11:36 < blindcoder> daja77: which?
11:36 < daja77> I've sended him a script from "Theoretische Informatik III" which I wrote a year ago
11:36 < daja77> just to see the code
11:37 < daja77> < rxr> daja77: damn that latex is so ugly when it comes to multiple outputs and pictures
11:37 < daja77> :)
11:38 < blindcoder> oh...
11:38 < blindcoder> well, I never really used LaTeX
11:38 * daja77 using it for presentation foils and almost every other document type he has to produce
11:41 < blindcoder> well, since most of this company is windows based I usually create it on StarOffice, export it to .ppt, clean it up, put it on my wrist-watch and go to the presentation to shock everyone :D
11:41 < daja77> hehe
11:42 < daja77> well in some of my presentation I needed math formulas and code snippets, this is done well by latex
11:44 < rxr> daja77: why do you think you shocked me?
11:44 < daja77> sounded like it
11:45 < daja77> hi rxr :))
11:46 < rxr> hi all
11:46 < blindcoder> hi rxr
11:49 < daja77> rxr: so you liked it *vbeg*
11:49 < rxr> no - I do not like the choas of LaTeX ...
11:49 < daja77> ic
11:50 < daja77> well that's why I normally only produce documents with pdf output
11:50 < daja77> this one is the only one where i did both iirc
11:51 < rxr> so a Build-Pkg modification for dependency add and del by [E] tag in .desc files committed ....
11:52 * daja77 off for breakfast and work
11:52 < daja77> rtai merge in the afternoon?
11:52 < starlord> daja77 where do you live? breakfast?
11:52 < daja77> I slept long
11:52 < starlord> :)
11:53 < blindcoder> hehe
11:54 < blindcoder> >80 broken builds in Cluster. <30 after restarting in single-machine :D
12:00 < fake> jana:/rock# svn switch http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux rock-trunk/
12:00 < fake> svn: Filesystem has no item
12:00 < fake> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/rock-linux/!svn/vcc/default'
12:00 < fake> svn:
12:00 < fake> file not found: transaction `2m4', path `/rock-trunk'
12:00 < fake> damn
12:00 < blindcoder> hmm... it worked fine here
12:00 < fake> rxr: that's weird
12:01 < blindcoder> if you don't count the fact that it also did a svn up at the same tie, which I wasn't so happy with
12:17 * fake manually diffing against new co...
12:28 < blindcoder> heh, I've stopped doing that.
12:28 < blindcoder> too big diffs
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12:50 < owl> rehi
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13:49 < gomer> kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe/ -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno=2
13:49 < gomer> what could it be?
13:50 < gomer> it ran pretty good before
13:50 < blindcoder> errno 2: File not found IIRC
13:51 < gomer> before the power-cut it ran pretty good
13:58 < blindcoder> well, sudden power-losses are known to lead to data-loss...
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14:13 < blindcoder> urgs... some people would kill me for creating such code >_<
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14:16 < jsaw> re
14:20 < jsaw> rxr: what's going on here (svn)?
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14:22 < rxr> sorry I messed arround
14:22 < rxr>  ...
14:23 < rxr> have you read the mails? or experienced problems ?
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14:26 < jsaw> rxr: 1. which mail? I had absolutely no problem with switching svn repo!
14:26 < jsaw> s/? I/? 2. I/
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14:27 < rammi> hihi
14:28 < daja77> hi rammi
14:28 < rxr> jsaw: commit mails I meant
14:28 < jsaw> rxr: yes
14:28 < rxr> jsaw: I still not got it - why do you ask?
14:29 < jsaw> rxr: ah, ok. why all this (rock-)trunk add/remove?
14:29 < jsaw> rxr: and you answered:
14:30 < jsaw> rxr: "I messed around". That was all I wanted to know. And to your question, if I have any probs with svn: no, I didn't. not a single one since days.
14:31 < rolla> re
14:31 < jsaw> hi all
14:31 < daja77> hello rolla
14:33 < jsaw> rxr: Did you have any chance to look into rockplug? (Sorry to bother you, but I'm at a point, where u really should have a look and either stop me from continueing in this direction or not)
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14:36 < rxr> jsaw: no - I'm at work - and just do the basic fixing while waiting for M$VC to be responsible again ...
14:36 < rxr> I'll take a look soon, especially since I do want the rock-net stuff untils this weekened ...
14:37 < jsaw> 9~hhh777777ztvxcvf
14:37 < daja77> ack
14:37 < daja77> ;-)
14:37 < jsaw> (hello from daughter)
14:37 < daja77> greetings
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14:38 < jsaw> I'll tell her
14:38 < daja77> yes and she is absolutely right
14:38 < jsaw> :)
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14:41 < blindcoder> jsaw: good idea to bring her in contact with Linux :-)
14:41 < rxr> jsaw: greetings from here, too ;-)
14:42 < jsaw> blindcoder: Do you really think, the first time she saw a computer, she had seen Windoze? NO, NEVER. NOT TILL SHE WANTS TO PLAY DOOM!
14:42 < rxr> jsaw: for some strange reasons the svn switch did also not worked for me on some boxes - so I tried s.th. out ...
14:42 < jsaw> s/DOOM/Counter Strike/
14:42 < rxr> it should be all normal again now ...
14:42 < rxr> cu later
14:42 < daja77> exactly doom runs under linux
14:42 < jsaw> s/Counter Strike/etc./
14:43 < blindcoder> the very moment she'll mention Counter Strike I'd give her life-long computer-abstinence
14:43 < jsaw> (well CS also runs under Linux, but I had a few problems, so...)
14:43 * daja77 watched a little girl playing an ego shooter at clt4
14:43 < jsaw> blindcoder: why?
14:43 < blindcoder> jsaw: because IMO it sucks.
14:44 < rolla> blindcoder: it is still something to kill time with
14:44 < daja77> guess blindy would teach her nethack
14:44 < blindcoder> daja77: of course!
14:45 < blindcoder> or, if it _has_ to be 3D, bzflag
14:45 < daja77> rolla: not only time *ggg*
14:45 < rolla> very true
14:46 < rolla> when I have time I play battlefield 1942
14:46 * daja77 playing freeciv from time to time against my sister
14:46 < jsaw> these days, you cannot keep children away from violence on TV etc., so you have to give em a strong phsyche. So, Paracelsus got it right, the amount makes the poison. True for sweets, computer games, TV, etc.
14:46 < owl> rehi
14:46 < jsaw> hi owl
14:47 < daja77> well violent games are fun
14:47 < daja77> sometimes
14:47 < jsaw> yep
14:47 < daja77> hi owl
14:47 < daja77> battle chess *ggg*
14:47 < jsaw> :-)))))
14:48 < blindcoder> hey, battle chess was cool
14:48 < daja77> yes it was
14:49 < jsaw> what's about cliff's favourite game...
14:49 < jsaw> (I forgot the name)
14:49 < blindcoder> corewars?
14:49 < Nebukadneza> apropos clifford ...
14:49 < Nebukadneza> who is he all the time?
14:49 < jsaw> a, yes, corewars.
14:49 < daja77> frozen bubble?
14:49 < Nebukadneza> i met him @ linuxtag ...
14:49 < blindcoder> Nebukadneza: usually he is just clifford
14:49 < Nebukadneza> hmm?
14:49 < jsaw> Nebukadneza: s/who/where/
14:50 < blindcoder> Nebukadneza: and on to _where_ he is... in Austria I believe. but rarely on IRC
14:50 < Nebukadneza> ohohoh
14:50 < Nebukadneza> sorrysorry
14:50 < Nebukadneza> srysrysry
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14:50 < jsaw> he's earning money I guess (until ROCK 2.1 starts), hehe
14:50 < blindcoder> actually, the times I saw him on IRC I can count on one hand
14:50 < Nebukadneza> löl
14:50 < daja77> argh can you laugh in english
14:51 < Nebukadneza> loel
14:51 < jsaw> off 2 work, cu l8r
14:51 < daja77> :P
14:51 < blindcoder> laughing out extremely loud??
14:51 < daja77> clifford is now workiing for linbit ...
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14:55 < esden_> re hi all
14:55 -!- You're now known as esden
14:55 < blindcoder> hi esden
14:55 < daja77> hi esden
14:56 < esden> puhh .. finally in the new flat
14:56 < esden> that is beautyfull ...
14:56 < esden> but I still have to pack all the things out
14:56 * Nebu^ut2k3 thinks linux gaming ruleZ
14:56 < Nebu^ut2k3> :)
14:56 < daja77> oh shit splash is this weekend
14:56 < blindcoder> esden: the thing I want to talk to you about is a "Car Retrieval System". And now you may wonder what it is :D
14:56 < esden> blindcoder: yes I do ...
14:56 < esden> blindcoder: please explain
14:58 < daja77> blindcoder: you mean how the polish find all our cars
14:58 * daja77 runs away
14:58 < blindcoder> daja77: n, how _YOU_ find your car after esden stole it :D
14:58 < daja77> hehe
15:00 < daja77> hmm that silent esden scares me
15:00 < esden> blindcoder: :P
15:00 < owl> *rofl*
15:01 < Nebu^ut2k3> hi owl
15:01 < owl> hi Nebu^ut2k3
15:01 < Nebu^ut2k3> :)
15:02 < esden> daja77: I am hacking your car ... and that is why i lag a bit ;)
15:02 * blindcoder going home. *waves*
15:03 < daja77> bye blindcoder
15:03 < daja77> esden: ic ...
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15:05 < daja77> wow http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/allgemeines/
15:06 < rolla> blindcoder: do germans have trouble with poles stealing cars?
15:07 < daja77> yes we had/have
15:07 < rolla> damn
15:08 < daja77> as one as our entertainers put it: welcome to poland you car is already here ;-)
15:09 < rolla> ha ha
15:11 < daja77> guess the problem is not that big anymore
15:12 < daja77> big problem
15:12 < daja77> uh gaps while typing, not good
15:13 < esden> rolla: the problem was blowed up by media
15:14 < esden> as many things like that
15:15 < rolla> yes
15:15 < rolla> media is the bane of all
15:15 < rolla> here we have cnn
15:15 < rolla> ug
15:16 * -> esden lounching dict.leo.org
15:16 < daja77> hehe cnn yeah have it too via cable ;-)
15:16 < esden> ack
15:17 < daja77> esden: huh?
15:18 < rolla> daja77: is it not a waste
15:18 < jsaw> re
15:19 < daja77> rolla: well haven't said that
15:19 < rolla> you should
15:19 < daja77> why
15:19 < daja77> i mean it is crap sometimes, but it can be funny too
15:19 < rolla> cause they are more a gosip channel
15:20 < rolla> they report things before they find out if they are true
15:20 < rolla> they cause more problems than guns on the street
15:20 < daja77> they sometimes bring news in german ...
15:21 < fake> (after the german world takeover)
15:21 < fake> hi ;)
15:21 < daja77> hi fake
15:21 < rolla> re fake
15:21 < daja77> nope already happening
15:22 < daja77> rule one for german world take over: don't let the austrian guy manage it
15:22 < rolla> yes
15:22 < rolla> funny thing is most americans don't know he was austrian
15:22 < fake> we learn from our mistakes, muhaha.
15:22 < daja77> hehe
15:22 < rolla> dumbass
15:22 < fake> we are borg... resistance is futile...
15:22 < rolla> es
15:22 < rolla> ja das ist richtig
15:23 < fake> rolla: just kidding
15:23 < rolla> :)
15:23 < rolla> I was calling americans dumbasses :)
15:24 < esden> hi fake 
15:24 < daja77> rolla: you are entitled to do that ;-)
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15:26 < owl> moin fake
15:26 < rolla> daja77: yes I am
15:26 < daja77> :)
15:26 < rolla> I feel that 99.9% of us are mouth breathing morons
15:26 < daja77> same here
15:27 * fake is on of the stupid people
15:27 < fake> one
15:27 < daja77> nah
15:27 < fake> but i belong to the worldwide fraction of really really stupid people, we are quite elite.
15:27 < esden> daja77: yes he is ... because he is telling everyone everywhere around all the time that he is stupid ;)
15:28 < fake> nationality doesn't matter here.
15:28 < fake> esden: i am proud of it!
15:28 < daja77> esden: so do I, they world shouldn't know about our intelligence
15:28 < rolla> fake: true that is what I like about it
15:28 < esden> *blink* *blink* *ratta* *ratta* *ratta* ... hmm you may be right
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15:31 < daja77> hey A-Tui
15:31 < A-Tui> hola daja77
15:31 < owl> hi A-Tui
15:33 < daja77> brb getting sth to drink
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15:45 < fake> re.
15:46 < daja77> yeah now i am alone at work
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15:57 * daja77 cursing that asshole who made that apache config
15:58 < rolla> ?
15:59 < daja77> he splitted it up in tiny files, it is a mess
15:59 < daja77> + he forget to delete the sample files, which are there too but not used
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16:03 < daja77> O_o
16:03 < daja77> welcome CyBuX
16:05 < CyBuX> thanks daja77 :)
16:06 < rolla> daja77: spliting it up into logical files is okay
16:06 < daja77> it was not done logical
16:06 < rolla> not removing samples in sohopmorish
16:06 < rolla> s/in/is/
16:07 * daja77 now building 2.0.47 from src on this machine
16:09 < rolla> :)
16:09 < rolla> good man
16:09 < daja77> :)
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16:24 < owl> <-- off. bbl
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16:40 < mistik1> oh the memories
16:40 < mistik1> someone is rather nostalgic ;-)
16:41 < daja77> huh?
16:41 < mistik1> 2.0.47?
16:42 < daja77> apache
16:42 < mistik1> oh
16:42 < mistik1> ok, I misread then
16:42 < mistik1> in that case moin
16:42 < daja77> hehe
16:42 < daja77> moin mistik1
16:43 < mistik1> I do remember the 2.0.x series with fondness
16:43 < daja77> 2.2 was better
16:43 < mistik1> for features yes
16:43 < mistik1> 2.0 was a Tank though
16:43 < daja77> and 2.4 is a nightmare, still
16:44 < mistik1> hehe
16:45 < daja77> even if the pains that were caused by 2.4.0-2.4.16 are healed by time now ...
16:46 < mistik1> Oh god, dont remind me of that fiasco
16:46 * daja77 doin a full stop
16:47 < daja77> don't wanna remind anybody of this, sorry
16:47 < mistik1> ;)
16:48 < daja77> let's call it the dark period ...
16:48 < daja77> like the middle ages, nobody really know what happened then ;-)
16:49 < mistik1> or we could call it the POSIX civil war ;-)
16:50 < daja77> yes that would be more plausible in america
16:50 < daja77> we had too many civil and non civil wars ;-)
16:50 < mistik1> hehe
16:52 < mistik1> I had to give rock a break for a little while, we needed to get some things done in LTSP for LWCE
16:53 < daja77> hm?
16:53 < mistik1> trying to get CUPS into the workstation environment to replace the current lp_server JetDirect emulator
16:53 < mistik1> ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project
16:53 < mistik1> www.ltsp.org
16:54 < daja77> *argl* cups (causing pain as well)
16:54 < mistik1> its certainly beeb a pain in my arse
16:54 < mistik1> *been
16:55 < daja77> sounds familiar
16:56 < mistik1> you see for the upcomming version of LTSP Jim created a build environment similar to Rock actually
16:56 < daja77> cool
16:56 < mistik1> with this we no longer steal binaries and libs from a distro
16:56 < daja77> stealing, in the sense of sco *ggg*
16:57 < mistik1> we just add what we need to the LBE and create a package.def that tells how to handle the build
16:57 < mistik1> we were using the binaries from rhat7.0
16:58 < daja77> hmm ic
16:58 < daja77> rxr: PING
16:58 < mistik1> just a matter of creating a NFS rootfs
16:58 < mistik1> but now its all built from sources
16:58 < daja77> good
16:58 < mistik1> indeed
16:59 < mistik1> a few distros were interested in including ltsp but would not do so of course because we had no sources
16:59 < daja77> more than 10 spam messages today *gettingangry*
16:59 < mistik1> install a spam filter
16:59 < mistik1> Spamassassin works great
17:00 < daja77> there is already one running here at university
17:00 < mistik1> I use it at my SMTP
17:00 < mistik1> bah
17:00 < mistik1> how do they handle it, tag headers on or delete spam
17:00 < mistik1> ?
17:01 < daja77> guess they only tag it, maybe I just have to say delete it
17:01 < mistik1> If they tag it then just setup a filter in your client to move the mail with that tag to trash
17:02 < mistik1> prolly something like X-SPAM-STATUS: Yes
17:02 < mistik1> depends on the admin
17:02 < mistik1> just check your headers
17:03 < daja77> yeah don#t wanna bother with that crap today, but will do soon
17:05 < mistik1> dammit
17:05 < daja77> O_o
17:05 < mistik1> I'll have to write a 100 line package.def for this darn cups it looks like
17:06 < mistik1> thier Makefile and Makedefs just plain suck
17:06 < daja77> hey create a rock target and be happy
17:06 < daja77> s/thier/hey
17:06 < daja77> d'oh what crap i am writing today
17:06 < mistik1> heh
17:07 < daja77> oh forget it, thouht i wrote it, but it was you
17:07 < mistik1> they have a pletora of makefile Vars
17:07 < mistik1> even glibc was not this bad
17:07 < daja77> may the sun stop shining on this monitor
17:07 < mistik1> close the shade
17:08 < daja77> glibc not worse than something, strange
17:08 < daja77> is all closed
17:08 < esden> ahh very good ... my main box back online *happy* ;)
17:08 < esden> hi mistik1 
17:08 < mistik1> hey esden
17:08 * -> esden was faster ;)
17:08 < mistik1> :)
17:08 < daja77> hey cool I should ask esden for a drink before he gets depressed again
17:08 < esden> daja77: o_O
17:09 * -> esden will not get depressed ... no chance ;)
17:09 < daja77> good then I can ask you for more drinks
17:09 < esden> hehe ;) ... when where? ... you are paying ;)
17:10 < daja77> august 14th-17th
17:10 < esden> daja77: ok no problem I am on it ;)
17:10 < daja77> and no i am not paying everything
17:11 < esden> daja77: not everything but you spend some rounds ;)
17:11 < daja77> hmm + a beer for blindy
17:12 < esden> hehe
17:12 * mistik1 dont drink so i'll come for the girls
17:13 < daja77> hey you already have that much
17:13 < mistik1> hehe
17:13 < esden> mistik1: give some of them away!!!
17:13 < mistik1> like I would have to
17:13 < daja77> .oO esden asking for mistik1's daughters ...
17:13 < mistik1> why does everyone want to take my girls away
17:13 < esden> hmm ... but when I think about it twice I can get them by myself ;)
17:14 < daja77> mistik1: send pics ;-)
17:14 < mistik1> haha
17:14 < esden> mistik1: because it is a rare thing in between of hackers
17:14 < esden> mistik1: are you on cccamp &/| dev-meeting ? 
17:15 < mistik1> one of them has pics on her website but I donno the url
17:15 * daja77 still waiting for a mail from his girl ...
17:15 < esden> mistik1: so get the url!
17:15 < daja77> you don't know that, shame on you
17:15 < esden> mistik1: how are they?
17:15 < mistik1> I think i'm on the general list
17:15 < esden> mistik1: general list?
17:15 < mistik1> 24, 22, 20, 8
17:16 < esden> I take the 22 years old ;)
17:16 < esden> or the 20 ... 
17:16 < mistik1> she's taken
17:16 < daja77> mistik1: are you older than rolla? *gg*
17:16 < mistik1> I donno
17:16 < esden> daja77: no he started early
17:16 < daja77> hehe
17:16 < esden> :->
17:17 < mistik1> the first two are adopted
17:17 < esden> mistik1: ahh, k
17:17 < mistik1> but my wifes children none the less
17:18 < esden> ok .. so you maried a woman with two daughters
17:18 < mistik1> yes
17:18 < esden> now I understand ... or not?
17:18 < esden> ahh good
17:19 < daja77> esden: well don't be sorry, girls who are more than 1000km away, are somehow difficult ;-)
17:19 < mistik1> We have an old saying in Jamaica, You cannot love the cow and dont love the calf
17:19 < daja77> *gg* esden's latency
17:19 < daja77> hmm guess that's true
17:19 * -> esden hits daja77 with a baseball bat 
17:20 < daja77> ouch /me hates to be hit slowly
17:20 < esden> mistik1: sounds trough ... but I have not experianced that yet ;)
17:20 < esden> s/trough/true/
17:20 < esden> daja77: slowly but hard ;)
17:21 < daja77> hmm I could ask some old women with daughters if they wanna have esden
17:21 < esden> the bat I use is pretty heavy ... that is why it is moving so slowly 
17:21 < esden> daja77: lol
17:22 < daja77> :)
17:23 * -> esden hungry ... >_<
17:23 < mistik1> ok, on to my war with CUPS
17:23 < esden> I hope I still get something to eat in Tribuehne
17:23 < daja77> you killed it?
17:24 < mistik1> I would very much like to kill the creater of the Makefiles
17:24 < esden> no not yet ... I were not yet hunting
17:24 < esden> argh
17:24 * -> esden should read propperly
17:24 < esden> *sigh*
17:25 < daja77> mistik1: the cups makefiles? thought the weren't that bad
17:25 < daja77> esden: yes and faster
17:25 * daja77 runs away
17:25 < esden> daja77: :P
17:25 < mistik1> daja77: they suck
17:25 < mistik1> have me jumping through hoops like a circul clown
17:25 < daja77> have they changed it since the last time i used them
17:25 < daja77> lol
17:25 < mistik1> *circus
17:26 < esden> ahh finally ... second box empty
17:27 < n00kie_> lol mistik1
17:28 < daja77> on the cups that is delivered with rock I didn't have the permissions to print a test page ...
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17:29 < daja77> bastard print server from hell
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17:29 < mistik1> believe it or not I have problems with the functionality of cups or the permission system
17:29 < daja77> ok /me now off for party, cu
17:30 < mistik1> it the make install stage that's screwing the pooch right now
17:30 < daja77> sure I believe it
17:30 < daja77> anyway cu
17:30 < mistik1> l8r
17:38 < esden> ok ... I go hunting
17:38 < esden> cu l8er
17:41 * blindcoder back
17:41 < mnemoc> wb bc
17:43 < blindcoder> thx
17:53 < rolla> daja77: you here?
17:54 < rolla> damn is noone here?
17:57 < blindcoder> esden: please call me when you're here
18:06 < cchamilt> heh
18:06 < cchamilt> hi
18:06 < rolla> hallo
18:06 < mnemoc> the 'no distribution' issue with some licenses is because of mirrors or the existance of the package?
18:06 < cchamilt> reading /. . Now I want to make target for my wrt54g
18:07 < rolla> :)
18:07 < rolla> cchamilt: you and everyone else
18:07 < cchamilt> i though it looked a little linuxy.
18:07 < rolla> oh it is
18:07 < rolla> 2.4.15
18:08 < cchamilt> hmm wonder about its space.
18:08 < rolla> yeah I think it is tight
18:08 < cchamilt> we got diet
18:09 < cchamilt> linksys doesnt seem to list it, so they must static everything in their version
18:10 < cchamilt> they fit a ton of things in it
18:10 < rolla> yup
18:12 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
18:13 < cchamilt> wow 4MB of space!
18:15 < cchamilt> it runs devfs
18:16 < rolla> sweet
18:19 < cchamilt> hmm, i think you have to extract their kernel and drivers, but the rest should be changeable.
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18:23 < cchamilt> oh well, i need sleep and to calm down.
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19:21 < Mike1> Greetings
19:21 < Mike1> anyone could give me a hand with procmail?
19:22 < mistik1> never used it sorry
19:22 < Mike1> ok np mistik1
19:26 < Mike1> ping rxr
19:26 < Mike1> SMP: ?
19:26 < Mike1> :(
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19:36 < msp[-]> re
19:48 < Mike1> hi msp[-]
19:48 < msp[-]> hi Mike1
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20:01 < netrunner> Mike1: whats the problem?
20:01 < Mike1> netrunner: read query
20:01 < netrunner> Mike1: lay down on my couch right here and tell?
20:01 < netrunner> Mike1: have you asked google about it?
20:02 < Mike1> netrunner: query, yes i have
20:02 < Mike1> netrunner: query..
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20:22 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:25 < netrunner> blindcoder: you're in a funny mood?
20:25 < owl> rehi
20:25 < blindcoder> netrunner: why?
20:25 < blindcoder> owl: hi
20:29 < netrunner> blindcoder: you are giggling:  < blindcoder> hi hi
20:29 < netrunner> owl: hi, 2
20:29 < blindcoder> netrunner: hm... if you say so...
20:30 < owl> hi netrunner , blindcoder
20:30 * blindcoder listening to Weird Al Yankovic - Let's Bomnb Iraq
20:30 < netrunner> blindcoder: so you're in a mad mood? come here friend, sit down, take a cookie and share your problems! :)
20:30 < netrunner> ah, btw, if you won't come to ccc, would you borrow me your gps?
20:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: thanks for the cookie *crunch*
20:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: I won't get it until monday in a week
20:31 < netrunner> :(
20:31 * netrunner want's to try gpsdrive
20:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: me too, already got it installed and packaged :-)
20:32 < blindcoder> netrunner: you'll have to wait till DevMeeting
20:32 < blindcoder> netrunner: btw. my problem is that I'm slowly driving crazy...
20:33 < netrunner> blindcoder: crazy driving slowly might be more secure ...
20:34 < blindcoder> netrunner: might be... but until Wednesday I'm still car-less
20:35 < netrunner> blindcoder: better that hair-less ... muahaha ... what a joke :)
20:35 < blindcoder> It's just that my life currently consists of work, work and even more work...
20:35 * netrunner is now in funny mood.
20:36 < blindcoder> I don't even have time to hang out with my friends anymore... and it just makes me wants to cut my own throat
20:36 < owl> netrunner: please send your drug-dealer to me... i want some of the drugs you're taking, too
20:36 < netrunner> blindcoder: and I have the opposite problem: I have a lot of dev to do at work but can only work 15 more days this year.
20:37 < blindcoder> netrunner: do you still have something you can call social lifo?
20:37 < blindcoder> life even
20:39 < blindcoder> the only non-work human-being-interaction I have at the moment is IRC
20:39 < owl> and what about dancing-lessons?
20:39 < blindcoder> owl: las lesson was two weeks ago
20:39 < blindcoder> dance-seaso is currently on summer-break
20:40 < owl> ah. i c.
20:40 < blindcoder> GAH! And I'm already doing "FrustFressen"
20:40 < owl> .oO(better i won't comment this...)
20:41 < blindcoder> owl: you jst did
20:41 < owl> well better than having "magersucht/bulemie" and "alles auskotzen"
20:41 < blindcoder> owl: well, I feal like I'd rather do taht.
20:41 < blindcoder> at least you can die from that
20:42 < owl> nah. not really...
20:42 * blindcoder now playing Alice Cooper - Poison
20:42 < blindcoder> owl: ever heard of starvation?
20:43 < owl> blindcoder: it is possible, but it's almost impossible because you're feeling such a pain normally then, that you're beginning to eat
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20:43 < blindcoder> owl: yes... that's called frustfressen
20:44 < owl> nah...
20:44 < owl> auch egal
20:44 < dreamind> Hi
20:44 < dreamind> lol ;)
20:44 < owl> hi dreamind
20:44 < owl> dreamind: ?
20:44 < dreamind> hi owl
20:44 < dreamind> yea?
20:44 < owl> why are you loling around?
20:44 < dreamind> well cause of "frustfressen" ;)
20:44 < blindcoder> I woiuldn't have started eating in the middle of the night (yes) if I wouldn't have too much frust
20:45 < rolla> yawn
20:45 < owl> dreamind: aeh? what's so funny with it?
20:45 < owl> blindcoder: hm. k. and caused by what especially?
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20:46 < dreamind> owl: well ok its not funny if youre having "frust" ;)
20:46 < owl> ack.
20:47 < dreamind> hm... is it really that bad?
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20:48 < blindcoder> dreamind: I feel like jumping in front of the next high-speed-train. bad enough?
20:48 < owl> blindcoder: where? when? might i join?
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21:02 < dreamind> blindcoder: oh, bad...
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21:18 * blindcoder --> bed
21:19 < owl> gn8 blindcoder
21:19 < owl> hi rammi
21:19 < rammi> hihi :))
21:21 < rammi> how is it..?
21:22 < owl> it...?
21:22 < rammi> how are you?
21:23 < rammi> bad english .. :(
21:23 < owl> hm. feeling like shit (as every day) - thx. you?
21:23 < owl> nah. your english is ok, just my stupidy is too high
21:24 < rammi> not bad.. not bad..
21:24 < owl> how comes?
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21:28 < rammi> i dont really know.. just.. try to do something fun..
21:28 < owl> i c
21:32 < rammi> how can I upgrade my rock-mini-install to dRock.. only gnome2/* X11/* ...
21:33 < rammi> i dont know which CD to download.?
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21:55 < dreamind> night ;)
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21:56 < rxr> re
21:58 < netrunner> hi rxr, you fixed the xfree86 font thing if I read the svn mails right?
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22:05 < rxr> netrunner: yes - it should be fixed ...
22:05 < rxr> but for cluster builds it will only be fixed after the next reference build ...
22:06 < netrunner> rxr: where's the difference? you mean that timing issue?
22:07 < rxr> a normal linear build only uses the hardcoded priority
22:07 < netrunner> maybe I just start a single build with tempfs, but that takes 2 days :/
22:07 < rxr> a parallel cluster build uses the dependency information to schedule the packages over the nodes
22:08 < rxr> so since the font packages do not depend on xfree they are still build before (although this should not matter much since I changed the dir to X11R6, so they would not make XFree fail
22:08 < rxr> but there are font cursor packages that need the fir present ...
22:08 < rxr> netrunner: do you do a cluster build ?
22:08 < netrunner> and the dependency info comes from your reference builds?
22:08 < netrunner> rxr: yes, since i have dual athlon.
22:09 < rxr> netrunner: normally, yes. They are in the .cache files ...
22:09 < netrunner> rxr: it works fine (mostly). only sometimes there are these timing things, where he schedules a depending package, if the prequesite is currently building.
22:09 < netrunner> ah, learned something new :)
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22:42 < Nebukadneza2> hi Nebukadneza
22:42 < Nebukadneza2> ich auch
22:42 < Nebukadneza2> wie gehts denn so?
22:42 < Nebukadneza2> auch gut
22:43 < Nebukadneza2> falscher chan
22:43 < Nebukadneza2> sorry
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22:59 < rxr> re
23:02 < jsaw> hi rxr. have a look at package/rene/xemacs-packages/*.desc: line 33 o_O
23:04 < rxr> thanks - fixed
23:04 < rxr> (this happens when you do too much in a putty from work ...)
23:04 < jsaw> confirmed...
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23:15 < daja77> re
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23:22 < holyolli> moin
23:22 < rxr> hi holyolli
23:23 < daja77> hi holyolli
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23:23 < daja77> ha
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23:25 < daja77> freenode url hashing sucks
23:26 < daja77> Mike1: you here?
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23:49 < Mike1> daja77: yes
23:49 < rxr> hi Mike1
23:49 < Mike1> hi rxr
23:49 < Mike1> rxr: linux 2.6-test2 built fine on my box, have you got some logs for me?
23:50 < sturm_> esden: ping
23:51 < rxr> Mike1: jups
23:51 < Mike1> rxr: see query
23:59 < daja77> hi Mike1
23:59 < Mike1> hi daja77
23:59 < Mike1> daja77: were you looking for me?
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