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00:00 < daja77> just wanted to know if you are around
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00:00 < Mike1> daja77: yes, after today i will be seen untill tuesday
00:00 < daja77> and then?
00:01 < Mike1> then i will have a dedicated line of my own
00:01 < Mike1> :)
00:03 < daja77> cool
00:05 < Mike1> :)
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00:10 < daja77> wb Freak
00:10 < Mike1> Freak: !
00:10 < Mike1> ah well time to go, i will see you guys in a few days
00:10 < Mike1> bye.
00:10 < daja77> cu Mike1
00:10 < Freak> yes
00:10 < Freak> back I am
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00:18 < daja77> n8 you all
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00:23 < tsa> hi all
00:25 < tsa> rxr?
00:28 < sturm_> hmm, i set the vga option in lilo.conf to 'vga=normal', but after some bootmsg's my machine always switch to another mode, any ideas?
00:28 < rxr> tsa: yes
00:28 < jsaw> sturm_: loading of frame buffer driver
00:29 < sturm_> jsaw: my kernel does not support fb
00:29 < tsa> ah
00:29 < tsa> rxr: just sent you a mail..my wxwindows package needs some fixing (because i'm too stupid)
00:30 < jsaw> sturm_: eek. at what point does it change?
00:31 < sturm_> jsaw: some lines bevore login, don't know actually at _which_ line
00:32 < jsaw> sturm_: rock distro? version?
00:32 < sturm_> jsaw: i looked at this bevore but there wasn't an error or sth.
00:32 < sturm_> jsaw: 2.0 beta6
00:33 < jsaw> sturm_: then I'm sure it's frame buffer (module loaded by hardware init), do lsmod.
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00:33 < sturm_> jsaw: actually, no
00:34 < tsa> rxr: got the mail?
00:36 < rxr> sorry for the delay - I'm working on cross-toolchain packages for ROCK
00:36 < rxr> mostly for Ultra SPARC kernel builds ..
00:36 < rxr> sturm_: why are you so sure - what does lsmod  say ?
00:37 < jsaw> rxr: sturm_'s sending me a mail...
00:38 < sturm_> wait, i change to x there i could paste the lines, just have no mouse ;-(
00:38 < jsaw> better.
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00:38 < jsaw> rxr: btw, could you add the cache files for my repo after next reference build?
00:39 < sturm> Module                  Size  Used by    Not tainted
00:39 < sturm> ipv6                  199572  -1  (autoclean)
00:39 < sturm> ppp_synctty             6752   0  (unused)
00:39 < sturm> ppp_async               8032   1
00:39 < sturm> parport_pc             13572   0  (unused)
00:39 < sturm> parport                14304   0  [parport_pc]
00:39 < sturm> 8139too                15848   1
00:39 < sturm> emu10k1-gp              1480   0  (unused)
00:39 < sturm> gameport                1516   0  [emu10k1-gp]
00:39 < sturm> emu10k1                60840   0  (unused)
00:39 < rxr> tsa: done
00:39 < sturm> ac97_codec             11848   0  [emu10k1]
00:39 < sturm> soundcore               4004   4  [emu10k1]
00:39 < sturm> sry for flood
00:40 < tsa> rxr: thanks.
00:40 < jsaw> sturm: cpu+board?
00:40 < sturm> jsaw: amd duron at 800mhz, abit kt7
00:43 < jsaw> sturm: gfx card?
00:43 < sturm> jsaw: ati radeon 9500
00:43 < jsaw> sturm: look into messages. look if u find an oops.
00:44 < rxr> sturm: is the kernel selfbuild ?
00:44 < sturm> yes
00:46 < rxr> cat /proc/fb
00:47 < sturm> No such...
00:48 < sturm> cat: /proc/fb: No such file or directory
00:48 < rxr> what resolution do you think got changed ?
00:48 * netrunner going back home 
00:48 < rxr> maybe the Xserver started (*g*) ?
00:49 < jsaw> sturm: did you compile any fb modules?
00:49 < sturm> at first there is just 80x25 (vga=normal) but after some lines of boot msg's it change to hmm, maybe 130x30 or so
00:49 < sturm> jsaw: actually no
00:50 < jsaw> is there any command that can change console resolution?
00:50 < sturm> hmm, maybe /etc/conf/console ?!
00:51 < sturm> ahh, dooh, thats wrong ;)
01:02 < rxr> jsaw: we do not do other stuff than framebuffer fluff in ROCK ...
01:04 < rxr> but IIRC there was some strange svga hack too that can change text mode resolution ...
01:04 < jsaw> what's about stty, escape codes?
01:05 < jsaw> rxr: I know we don't do it. But if there's a simple command, a corrupted init file could do it... I was just guessing around...
01:05 < jsaw> and I still wonder why /etc/conf/console should change resolution...
01:07 < fake> woo!
01:07 < fake> burning cds under 2.6 rocks
01:07 < fake> cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc ... ;)
01:09 < fake> buffer fill never under 98 %
01:10 < fake> sw33t
01:13 < rxr> a patched cdrecord or the current ROCK version ?
01:15 < rxr> sturm: did you already found out what is going on ?
01:17 < sturm> rxr: no, i currently do check all the log files a 10th time
01:19 < fake> rxr: standard 1.9+ iirc
01:20 * fake away
01:20 < fake> n8 ;)
01:24 < Freak> capchaos: lustig.
01:25 < capchaos> :p
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01:29 < rammi> Greetings
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01:34 < jsaw> tired. cu l8r.
01:35 < tsa> cu jsaw
01:38 < sturm> bye jsaw
01:40 < sturm> rxr: there is /etc/fb.modes
01:41 < sturm> rxr: but no fb module compiled in the kernel, so it theoreticly won't work...
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02:18 < jsaw> back home back here. rxr: alive?
02:19 < jsaw> tsa: alive?
02:20 < tsa> yes
02:20 < jsaw> I got a strange error with the router target, 1-glibc23 fails.
02:21 < jsaw> In the log I see this: FILTER = 'sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,/user/rock/rock-src-2.0/build/router-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-32-minimal-expert/root&,''
02:21 < jsaw> Where does the last ampersand come from?
02:23 < tsa> hm...good question
02:23 < jsaw> ah, found it.
02:23 < jsaw> parse-config-9 in package/base/dietlibc
02:24 < tsa> ah
02:24 < jsaw> now, let's see if it compiles...
02:24 < tsa> god luck.
02:25 < tsa> +o
02:25 < jsaw> +o ? means what?
02:25 < jsaw> ah .
02:25 < tsa> ;)
02:25 < jsaw> forget this stupid q.
02:26 < jsaw> well, I need both, good luck and god... ;)
02:26 < tsa> hehe
02:31 < mistik1> maybe someone here can render assistance
02:31 < mistik1> Do you guys have a maintainer for the cups package?
02:32 < jsaw> render "assistance" in what, 2d, 3d?
02:32 < jsaw> what's the problem, mistik1 ?
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02:32 < mistik1> maybe since rock uses a chroot build environment maybe someone came across this error with cups where creating the target
02:32 < rammi> re hi
02:33 < mistik1> Installing in filter...
02:33 < mistik1> strip: cannot mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/cups/filter/stsgAoTd for archive copying (error: File exists)
02:33 < mistik1> /bin/install: strip failed
02:33 < jsaw> what stage?
02:33 < mistik1> stsgAoTd is a random filename which I gather is a tmp file of sorts used by install with the strip option
02:34 < mistik1> jsaw: this is not in Rock
02:34 < mistik1> I was just wondering if any rock builders have come across this
02:34 < mistik1> The build system i'm working with it similar to rock on a much smaller scale
02:35 < jsaw> mistik1: rxr's the maintainer, btw
02:35 < tsa> hm...i don't use cups (and therefore disabled building it), so i probably won't be able to help you
02:35 < mistik1> ok
02:35 < mistik1> the thing is this does not happen outside of the chroot
02:36 < mistik1> I cross checked versions from my chroot to my distro
02:36 < mistik1> fileutils is the exact same version
02:36 < mistik1> gcc and glibc is newer in my chroot but that's not where the error is
02:36 < jsaw> your chroot is /opt/ltsp/i386 I guess?
02:36 < mistik1> yes
02:37 < mistik1> well no
02:37 < jsaw> ?
02:37 < mistik1> my chroot is one step above /opt
02:37 < mistik1> the is the DESTDIR for the build that you see
02:37 < mistik1> not prefix
02:38 < mistik1> the end system will have /opt/ltsp/i386 as root via NFS
02:38 < mistik1> so that's where I install to
02:38 < mistik1> while prefixing /usr for the build
02:39 < jsaw> is DESTDIR set outside chroot?
02:39 < mistik1> inside
02:39 < mistik1> sec
02:39 < jsaw> (ref "the thing is this does not happen outside of the chroot")
02:39 < mistik1>  /lbe is my chroot
02:39 < mistik1> jsaw: I meant when I build CUPS outside of my chroot env
02:40 < jsaw> yes. Is DESTDIR set if u build it outside the chroot env?
02:41 < mistik1> yes
02:41 < mistik1> I have recreated what i'm doing in the chroot exactly outside of it
02:41 < mistik1> I made DESTDIR /home/mistik1/cups and all went perfect
02:42 < mistik1> what's really pissing me off is that its at the make isntall stage, not even build
02:43 < mistik1> so I know I have all in need in my env
02:44 < jsaw> ?
02:45 < jsaw> I don't have any idea left.
02:46 < netrunner> argl, that switching does not really work in svn :/
02:46 < jsaw> svn version?
02:47 < netrunner> 0.22.2
02:47 < jsaw> forget it.
02:47 < netrunner> the version or your idea?
02:47 < tsa> RA layer stuff?
02:47 * mistik1 cries
02:47 < jsaw> sometimes it works, sometimes not. update....
02:47 < tsa> ack
02:48 * netrunner simply checking out again.
02:48 < tsa> hehe
02:48 < tsa> that's what i did, too.
02:48 < tsa> whatever.
02:48 < netrunner> not funny.
02:48 < tsa> <- going to get some sleep.
02:48 < tsa> cya.
02:48 < netrunner> n8 tsa
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02:48 < jsaw> that was fast.
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02:55 * netrunner slept some minutes front of the screen ... svn still checking out ...
02:57 * jsaw is taking another sleeping pill (hop)
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03:43 < mistik1> jsaw: still around
03:47 < jsaw> much more tired than before, but still around...
03:49 < mistik1> I got it to complete the make install
03:49 < mistik1> cups that is
03:50 < mistik1> I had to stop /bin/install from running strip so I had to script to manually run strip
03:51 < jsaw> compiling packages is always a hassle...
03:55 < jsaw> gn8 mistik1
03:55 < jsaw> gn8 who ever's awake
03:55 < mistik1> especially when you are doing it in a non standard manner, you get blank stares from the mailing lists
03:55 < mistik1> sleep well
03:56 < jsaw> ... yep ... and most probably even the authors don't know it...
03:56 < jsaw> thanks, cu
04:39 < gomer> re
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05:02 < rolla> yawn
06:05 < esden> good morning everyone ;)
06:34 < mnemoc> moin
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07:13 < esden> moin mnemoc 
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07:19 < blindcoder> moin
07:29 < esden> moin blindcoder 
07:29 < esden> you are late online ;)
07:29 < blindcoder> esden: moin moin
07:30 < blindcoder> esden: maybe...
07:30 < blindcoder> esden: I had no car yesterday, so I couldn't move my machine to bitz
07:30 < esden> [06:05] < esden> good morning everyone ;) <- that is early ;)
07:30 < esden> blindcoder: sorry ... but I fell asleep
07:30 < esden> about 18:30
07:31 < esden> and woke up at 6 ... as you can see ...
07:31 < blindcoder> esden: I'm currently running single-machine-builds, since those are more reliable, and will transfer the result tonight
07:31 < blindcoder> yes, I can :)
07:31 < blindcoder> esden: so I shut down node01-node15 and am currently running desktop on armitage and generic on node16
07:32 < esden> hmm ... ok
07:32 < blindcoder> *ARGL*
07:32 < esden> but generic takes more time then desktop ... if I remember correctly ...
07:33 < blindcoder> rene... rene... I'm.. going... to... kill... him...
07:33 < esden> ???
07:33 < blindcoder> root@armitage:/usr/src/rock-src# ls build
07:33 < blindcoder> .
07:33 < blindcoder> ..
07:33 < blindcoder> bootdisk-2.0.0-rc1-x86-bootdisk-expert
07:33 < blindcoder> desktop-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-32-desktop-expert
07:33 < esden> what did he this time?
07:33 < blindcoder> desktop-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop-expert
07:33 < blindcoder> root@armitage:/usr/src/rock-src#
07:33 < blindcoder> HE FSCKING CHANGED THE ID-GENERATOR!
07:33 < esden> oups ... I see dead people
07:33 < blindcoder> *ARGL*
07:34 < blindcoder> that man is driving me nuts!
07:34 < blindcoder> 10 hours of compile-time... WASTED
07:35 < blindcoder> make that 20 hours, since it was two machines
07:36 < blindcoder> okay, 60 packages to build on desktop and 90 to build on generic
07:37 < blindcoder> and now, I'm getting breakfast.
07:39 < esden> bon apetitt
07:39 < esden> I really see rene loosing his life ...
07:39 < esden> I can not help me ... *lol*
07:48 < blindcoder> I see rene drifting away to the huebi-way of doing things
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07:49 < blindcoder> he didn't immediately apply fakes speech-output plugin
07:49 < blindcoder> but then he added x86_64 and ARM architecture
07:49 < blindcoder> at least ARM will lead to a _fourth_ kernel tree in ROCK
07:49 < blindcoder> because Linus himself said that his tree _never_ _ever_ compiled on ARM
07:50 < blindcoder> (see latest Kernel Traffic)
07:50 < blindcoder> I'm really sorry to say this, but maybe clifford should think about _not_ giving away maintainership for 2.1 _ever_
07:55 < esden> hmm ... I see I have to talk to rene once more *sigh*
08:00 < blindcoder> that's just my PoV.
08:00 < blindcoder> Maybe I'm just too unknowing to understand what rene wants to do and grasp the higher meaning.
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08:15 < esden> but I can understand that the amd support is more importaint in rock then the support of speach output
08:15 < esden> speach output is nice and geeky
08:15 < esden> s/amd/arm/
08:16 < esden> but arm is support for embeded systems ... and it is our gole to get more suppert for embeded systems
08:16 < esden> as stated some time ago
08:16 < esden> but I can not understand why he is adding it so late in the development cycle
08:17 < esden> it should have been suspended till 2.1 if you ask me
08:19 < blindcoder> yes
08:20 < blindcoder> it's just like huebi adding XFS support into 1.5.20
08:20 < blindcoder> which should have been the last on ebefor 1.6-pre
08:20 < blindcoder> with 2.0 we already have something similiar, although in parts understandable
08:33 < netrunner> moin
08:34 < blindcoder> moin moin
08:34 < blindcoder> esden: btw. I talked to my "mecha-man" yesterday
08:35 < netrunner> blindcoder: why didn't you just move the build dir?
08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: I did. After I found out only this morning that the ID changed
08:35 < netrunner> oh, I had this so many times ... :)
08:35 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete worked just fine, so I assumed (yes, bad idea) that Build-Target would, too
08:36 < netrunner> I just found out that my build I started at 0300 am was not good because of a missing i2c patch ... had to restart it. (I like 'em clean)
08:37 < blindcoder> I also prefer clean builds, but not if the build has to be ready by monday (ready as in wrote onto 25 DVDs)
08:38 < netrunner> hm ... shall I go to bed again? :-/ 5,5 hours is the sane minimum, so seems ok.
08:38 < blindcoder> well, then I'm not sane today
08:39 < netrunner> this creepy damn dgiclomg svn :(
08:40 < netrunner> svn: REPORT response handling failed to complete the editor drive
08:42 < blindcoder> well, I just did a complete new checkout and moved build/ config/ download/ to new dir
08:43 < netrunner> blindcoder: that's what I did yesterday. now it won't update any more. maybe it is bad to rename the dir? crap.
08:43 < blindcoder> no, that works fine here
08:43 < netrunner> ok, wasn't yesterday but this morning, some earlier :)
08:46 < esden> blindcoder: mecha man?
08:46 < esden> excuse my latency ... I try to unpack my stuff here ...
08:46 < blindcoder> esden: my "KFZ-Mechaniker" :-)
08:47 < esden> ahh ...
08:47 < esden> and?
08:47 < blindcoder> esden: I call him mecha-man behind his back :-)
08:47 < blindcoder> esden: he's what you would call  a Geek of Cars :D
08:47 < blindcoder> esden: he said it would be almost no problem to do the thing I have in mind :D
08:47 < esden> almost ... what means almost?
08:48 < blindcoder> almost means that there might be a small problem with "hiding" the thing
08:49 < esden> I could imagine that ... but don't you have "faecher" in the trunk?
08:49 < esden> (/me is to lazy to start dict now ;))
08:50 < blindcoder> no, unfortunatiely I do not
08:50 < esden> that is a mess
08:50 < blindcoder> but maybe one can be built in
08:50 < esden> that sounds good
08:50 < esden> but do not forget you still need power in the trunk
08:50 < esden> or somewhere else
08:50 < blindcoder> or - worst case - I take a small lockable case, put laptop, GPS Receiver and Mobile Phone in there and mount it onto the inside of the car
08:50 < esden> for example under the back seat
08:51 < blindcoder> the power is the least of problems
08:51 < blindcoder> I tell him where I want a power outlet, he gives me one. :-)
08:51 < esden> and ... I would not use a full laptop but a industry sized board with flash disk or a laptop disc attached to it
08:52 < esden> that makes it smaller and probably more flexible
08:52 < blindcoder> I need one PS/2 and two serial ports
08:53 < blindcoder> possibly more...
08:53 < esden> there are boards that do have these ports
08:53 < blindcoder> good
08:53 < blindcoder> the box should be as small as possible to make it easier to hide
08:53 < blindcoder> you have any prices on these boards?
08:53 < esden> there is everything you need on the market .. but you have to find it ;)
08:54 < esden> so that the price and abilitys are in correct dependancy
08:54 < blindcoder> sure.
08:54 < blindcoder> how are these boards called? x86 compatible?
08:54 < esden> puhh ... I should check my mailbox to answer that ...
08:55 < blindcoder> could you please do so?
08:55 < esden> and there are x86 board and also mips and arm
08:55 < esden> everything is there
08:55 < esden> I check it in a moment when I empty the box I am unpacking now
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08:58 < blindcoder> okay, thanks
08:58 < blindcoder> in the meantime, can someone tell me why Solaris sucks this much?
09:00 < esden> blindcoder: because it is commercial ;)
09:01 < blindcoder> well... that explains a lot...
09:02 < blindcoder> or maybe these machines are just crappy installed
09:02 < blindcoder> or I'm too fastidious from ROCK
09:10 < blindcoder> brb
09:10 < esden> ok ... two boxes remaining to unpack ... that is much better
09:10 * -> esden checking his mailbox for blindy ;)
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09:14 < blindcoder> thx
09:17 < blindcoder> the only fscking way to find something on these servers is `find / -name <whatyouserchfor>`
09:22 < esden> fsck where are these mails!!!
09:31 < esden> In Extremo on viva o_O ... what is going on!!!
09:31 < daja77> moin
09:32 < esden> moin daja77 
09:32 < esden> blindcoder: I have something here : http://www.ibase-i.com.tw/ib830.htm
09:32 < esden> but that is through google
09:33 < daja77> moin esden && blindcoder
09:33 < esden> i do not find the mails anymore
09:33 < daja77> *lol* nice quit message: "<opp> so my girlfriend calls me a pedophile the
09:33 < daja77>           other day and I say back to her, that's a pretty big word for a 12 year old"]
09:34 < blindcoder> esden: thx
09:35 < esden> blindcoder: and there is more ... I was searching for "embeded board" pentium serial ps2
09:35 < blindcoder> 20cmx14cm???
09:35 < blindcoder> sweet
09:35 < esden> perhups you find something sutable for you
09:35 < esden> blindcoder: yes sure is it sweet ;)
09:35 < blindcoder> a bit overdimensioned perhaps, but sweet :-)
09:35 < esden> smaller then your notebook ;)
09:36 < blindcoder> yes... and much more powerful
09:36 < esden> hehe yes
09:36 < esden> an 17C3 there was a guy that was selling 486 boards
09:37 < esden> perhups you will find someone on CCCamp who has access to cheep boards
09:37 < esden> I will look around too
09:37 < esden> and keep my ears open for such things
09:37 < esden> and eyes ;)
09:38 < blindcoder> esden: I want an embedded board! :)
09:38 < blindcoder> unfotunately there are no price tags >_<
09:40 < blindcoder> http://www.ibase-i.com.tw/ib104plus.htm
09:40 < daja77> ok cu guys later
09:40 < blindcoder> something like that
09:40 < blindcoder> 9.5cmx9cm
09:40 < blindcoder> bye daja
09:41 < esden> blindcoder: there are not there for a good reason ... I think so at least
09:41 < blindcoder> yes... that's what I fear, too
09:41 < esden> but the boards on 17c3 were tagged with 25EUR or so
09:41 < esden> they were affordable
09:41 < esden> I thought back then about buying such a thing ...
09:41 < esden> but have not done it after all
09:42 < blindcoder> well, 486 boards you can get at ebay, if it must be..
09:43 < blindcoder> but such a 95x90 mm*mm thing would be really sweet
09:45 < esden> hehe ;)
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09:45 < blindcoder> the problem is that I need a laptop-like machine
09:45 < blindcoder> ie: battery that lasts a few hours
09:46 < blindcoder> ACPI that tells me whether the power has been cut and status of battery
09:46 < esden> blindcoder: and it has everything you need ... keyboard controller and two serial connectors
09:46 < blindcoder> so I might be better off taking my old Laptop apart
09:46 < esden> blindcoder: yes ...
09:47 < esden> but you could also buy a new laptop and use the parts of the old for your project ...
09:47 < blindcoder> or buying an old laptop of this kind and taking that apart ^^
09:47 < esden> integrate the display of your laptop in the cockpit as navigation system
09:47 < esden> that would be nice too
09:47 < blindcoder> well... I want to keep that laptop around in case SIEMENS sends me a letter one day and wants it backk, you know...
09:47 < esden> ahh ... yes ... understandable
09:47 < blindcoder> esden: yes it would... wireless mouse and keyboard also...
09:47 < esden> hehe
09:48 < esden> you could use it as an mp3 player either
09:48 < blindcoder> and hooking it also up to the speaker system
09:48 < blindcoder> well, first it's now making it possible
09:48 < blindcoder> then making it look good
09:49 < blindcoder> at first I have to make it possible to charge the mobile phone via the datacable
09:49 < blindcoder> then the interaction between phone and GPS
09:49 < blindcoder> and THEN I can look at better / smaller hardware for the job
09:49 < blindcoder> there are also PCMCIA-Adapters for SIM-Cards, so I wouldn't really need a phone at all
09:53 < esden> blindcoder: you have siemens?
09:54 < esden> if yes I could probably get such cable in poland
09:55 < blindcoder> esden: we will have to mod our own cable
09:55 < esden> hmm ... that is also possible ;)
09:55 < blindcoder> esden: not even the original Siemens datacable are capable of loading the phone while also accessing it via some software
09:56 < blindcoder> so we will have to mod it in a way so that we can always send a specific signal (5V) via the com-port to the phone, thus charging it
09:56 < esden> blindcoder: I had such cable in my hand ...
09:56 < blindcoder> yes, but usually that's windows-software that comes with its own cable
09:56 < blindcoder> and just such a cable we will have to solder
09:57 < blindcoder> and then, as long as the saptop has an external power source we can charge the phone
09:57 < blindcoder> and if the power cable gets cut, then the phone also has to rely on its own battery, just like the laptop
09:57 < blindcoder> it's a bit difficult, that's why I want to discuss this with you in person
09:58 < esden> hmm ... we will have the possibility for sure ;)
09:58 < blindcoder> sure
09:59 < blindcoder> I'm absolutely sure that something like this _CAN_ be done.
09:59 < blindcoder> it's just a whole shitload of work
09:59 < blindcoder> worst case I can also split the cable into a datacable part and a powerplug part
09:59 < blindcoder> and let mecha-man install two power outlets.
10:03 < esden> is a solution ;)
10:04 < esden> but you need powersupplys that convert 12V to the right voltages for the laptop and the cellphone
10:05 < blindcoder> esden: for the phone, there are those adapters already
10:05 < blindcoder> esden: for the laptop, I have one (1) converter
10:05 < esden> and you have to consider that the battery of the car is not a perpetuum mobile ;)
10:05 < blindcoder> esden: the plugs must be power-less the moment the motor is turned off
10:05 < esden> ahh ok
10:05 < blindcoder> in that moment both phone and laptop have to use their own battery
10:05 < esden> but how long can a laptop run without batter ... 
10:06 < blindcoder> esden: if the display is turned off, the laptaop battery should be able to sustain the machine a few hours
10:06 < esden> that is a problem
10:06 < esden> blindcoder: few hours is not long enough if you ask me
10:06 < esden> a embeded board would be better here it does not need so much power
10:07 < blindcoder> well, we can't handle _everything_ that might occur. But that doesn't mean we can't take on the problems that _are_ solvable.
10:07 < blindcoder> sure, it would be best if the machine (better than laptop) could run a few DAYS
10:08 < blindcoder> or I could use the phone to power up the laptop.
10:08 < esden> ahh ... ok ... that is a solution
10:08 < blindcoder> telephones last up to two weeks in "standby"
10:08 < netrunner> blindcoder: I guess you won't get enough power out of a serial interface.
10:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: yes I would. Serial line has 5V output
10:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: and my Siemens MT50 power-cable also gives 5V
10:09 < esden> netrunner: he says that you power up the laptop with the cellphone
10:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: ok, you'll then wait for a year for your phone to be fully charged. If you pull more powerer, you'll soldier your circuits. Just my guess :)
10:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: It's worth a try if you ask me. And - worst case - I can still use two power outlets.
10:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: I have problems powering a receiver circuit here on some badly designed serials, so why would you charge a phone with it?
10:10 < netrunner> esden: vie modem ring?
10:11 < blindcoder> yes
10:11 < netrunner> grmbl ... 2h gone and still in stage 1
10:11 < esden> netrunner: this ... or connect a cirquit to the ring of the cellphone that touches the poweron cinquit of the laptop
10:11 < blindcoder> netrunner: well, I'm pretty sure I already saw a phone being powered by serial line in windows.
10:11 < blindcoder> esden: wodem ring should be fine.
10:12 < blindcoder> esden: call the phone and the laptop starts
10:12 < netrunner> blindcoder: I know they use usb for that, since it is designed to give some amperes, but serial ...
10:12 < blindcoder> netrunner: well, I'm gonna try today :-)
10:13 < blindcoder> I have the data cable, the phone, and Linux. what more do I need :)
10:13 * -> esden taking a shower
10:14 < blindcoder> Solraris is strange
10:14 < blindcoder> cat file | sed 's,string,,g'
10:14 < blindcoder> doesn't work
10:14 < blindcoder> echo `cat file` | sed 's,string,,g'
10:14 < blindcoder> does work
10:19 < netrunner> hm ... linux26 does not compile.
10:24 < jvc> blindcoder: I tested your sed construction on solaris and on linux they give same result
10:25 < blindcoder> jvc: well, cat file | sed gives me an empty file
10:26 < jvc> whats in the file?
10:26 < blindcoder> a html-page, one-liner
10:26 < netrunner> ah, I know what I am missing ... breakfast
10:27 < blindcoder> 600 bytes crammed into one line
10:27 < blindcoder> netrunner: hehe, again?
10:27 * -> esden is having breakfast
10:28 < netrunner> 1-curl is failing (missing zlib.h) ideas?
10:28 * -> esden likes his new home
10:28 < blindcoder> compile zlib?
10:28 * blindcoder runs
10:29 < netrunner> REMOVE = '-g* -O -O[01s] -m* -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include'
10:30 < netrunner> why is -I/usr/include removed? linux/zlib.h is there ...
10:30 < jvc> blindcoder: I tested it on a line of 1200 chars and it seems to work just fine
10:32 * netrunner heating up espresso machine
10:33 < blindcoder> jvc: strange... well it works now and hat's all I currently care for, but thanks nonetheless ^^
10:34 * -> esden drinking capuccino
10:34 < jvc> blindcoder: the problem with your solution is that if you one day make it a 2 liner, your in trouble
10:34 < blindcoder> jvc: it's from a bb output, so unless they update bb and bb changes the output I'm fine
10:34 < blindcoder> and by the day they do this I won't work here anymore
10:35 < blindcoder> esden: I'm looking forward to my Caffe Latte with Chi today ^^
10:36 < blindcoder> and since I know the shell-skills of my fellow co-conspi... erm... co-workers, it will be near impossible for them to adapt it. so they'll have to pay me to it ^^
10:39 < owl> moin
10:39 < blindcoder> moin moin owly
10:40 < esden> blindcoder: you have very high opinion on your co-whatever ;)
10:40 < esden> hi owl 
10:41 < jsaw_> re
10:41 < jsaw_> esden: concerning the $root& thing.
10:41 < jsaw_> FILTER = 'sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,/user/rock/rock-src-2.0/build/router-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-32-minimal-expert/root&,''
10:42 < esden> jsaw_: ??
10:42 < jsaw_> does the & do the same thing here?
10:42 < jsaw_> (it's taken from 1-glibc23.err, router target)
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10:43 < esden> the same thing as 'sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,$root&,' ?
10:43 < esden> you mean that?
10:44 < esden> I answered the mail ... the & is a backreference ... that was a correct guess at the mailinglist
10:44 < jvc> blindcoder: well, you know what good for you ;-)
10:44 < jsaw_> yep, the "backreference" thing (which I actually do not understand)
10:44 < esden> jsaw_: what don't you understand in there?
10:44 < jvc> blindcoder: but now you are on vacation, this stuff breaks, and you have to come back to fix it
10:45 < jsaw_> esden: nope. the & is a sed command, and has nothing to do if $root is expanded or not?
10:45 < blindcoder> jvc: you really think I pick up the phone or even take it with me when I'm on varcation?
10:46 < esden> jsaw_: the $root is expanded by shell and & is for sed
10:46 < jsaw_> esden: thx, ok.
10:46 < esden> it should convert all /usr/dietlibc/ to $root/usr/dietlibc
10:46 < esden> because we have the chroot and stuff problems
10:47 < esden> I hope that will be solved as soon as I have a full functional patch for gcc that forces gcc to use dietlibc instead of glibc by default
10:47 < esden> but I still have design problems what to do in stages pre 2 ... 
10:48 < esden> but I think it will work anyways ... somehow
10:48 < esden> we will see
10:48 < jsaw_> esden: thanks for explanation.
10:48 < jvc> blindcoder: I have seen it hapen, this guy was allready changing his empty battery for a fresh one
10:48 < esden> jsaw_: de nada ;)
10:49 < jsaw_> cu l8r, gotta run to the lab now
10:49 < esden> cu jsaw_ 
10:50 < blindcoder> jvc: I've seen it happen, too. And I learned from it.
10:50 * netrunner just made a perfectly seperated latte macciato
10:50 < blindcoder> a friend of mine was flown back from his vacation in Italy (company paid for flight back first class!) three days into his vacaiton.
10:51 < blindcoder> Since then I won't pick up the phone when I'm on vacation if I don't expect a call from someone
10:51 < netrunner> blindcoder: I used to charge double money for emergency call-ins. they were rare since then :=
10:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: sounds nice. I should give it a try :D
10:53 < netrunner> blindcoder: I charge 5per cent for the idea :)
10:53 * netrunner making money now. :=
10:53 < netrunner> and that damn = is to close to the )
10:54 < netrunner> somebody hungry? I need to cook since my gf is gone, and for one person it's so pointless ...
10:55 < blindcoder> netrunner: okay. As soon as I'm laid off by my company and am able to start my own that can charge per "Auftrag" you'll get five percent of all my expenses :D
10:55 < esden> netrunner: use a dvorak keyboard then you will not miss the ) anymore ;)
10:55 * daja77 hungry
10:55 < blindcoder> esden: correct. then it will look like this :{
10:55 < netrunner> esden: nice idea, I did something funny to my keyboard last time when I went to the camp, too.
10:56 < netrunner> last time I sprayed it, then nobody here could use it any more since they need to see the keys to type ;)
10:57 * netrunner wants: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745232242
10:57 < blindcoder> netrunner: since I use dvorak at work I'm not afraid of letting my console unloked anymore :D
10:57 < netrunner> blindcoder: is it hard to learn?
10:57 < blindcoder> especially since I also keep an unmodified keyboard next to the dvorak one which isn't connected.
10:57 * netrunner thinks about putting the order of the keys in dvorak order
10:58 < blindcoder> most people try to attach the unmodded keyboard and get even more confused since the keyboard mappping is still the same but the keys on the keyboard don't match the maping anymore :D
10:58 < blindcoder> netrunner: I suggest dvorak7min
10:58 < blindcoder> it's a learning tool
10:59 < netrunner> blindcoder: in 7 minutes? k3w1
10:59 < netrunner> or age minimum 7? :)
10:59 < blindcoder> 7 minutes :)
10:59 < esden> I learned dvorak with dvorak7min ... very nice thing
11:00 < netrunner> and why is there no package for it?
11:00 < netrunner> *kick*
11:00 < esden> I used to have my text console set to dvorak and X to normal keyboard ... then I switched from time to time to the text console to work with dvarak7min ... and when I got bored I switched back to X
11:01 < esden> this way I learned dvorak 
11:01 < blindcoder> esden: correct, why is there no package *kick*
11:01 < esden> netrunner: sorry *hide*
11:01 < esden> :(
11:01 * -> esden making package ...
11:01 * -> esden runs
11:01 * blindcoder --> lunch
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11:09 < esden> netrunner: I found something better then dvorak7min ... dvorakng
11:12 < netrunner> esden: nice, now that I created a package for dvorak7min ... *doblehighkick*
11:12 < esden> netrunner: I create the packet already >_<
11:12 < esden> *GRR*
11:13 < netrunner> :P
11:14 < netrunner> == 11:14:33 =[9]=> Building avm/dvorak7min [1.6.1 2.0.0-beta3].
11:14 < netrunner> == 08/01/03 11:15:38 =[9]=> Finished building package dvorak7min.#
11:18 < netrunner> but why does it go to /usr/games/bin? what has extra/education to do with games?
11:20 < esden> netrunner: nothing
11:20 < esden> netrunner: you have not patched the Makefile propperly ;)
11:20 < esden> I have ;)
11:20 < esden> hehe
11:21 * -> esden addapting the .desc file 
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11:24 < netrunner> esden: *kick*
11:27 < netrunner> esden: what dir do you suggest? /usr/bin?
11:29 < esden> no $(prefix)/usr/bin
11:29 < netrunner> esden: grmbl. I already sent that mail.
11:30 < netrunner> the patch-race :)
11:31 < esden> hehe ... you are a l0ser
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11:35 < netrunner> hm .. I'd need some more ram for tempfs ... my hdd led is shining continuously.
11:35 < blindcoder> lme back
11:37 < blindcoder> Mem:  12360704K av, 11190732K used, 1169972K free,     324K shrd,  220792K buff
11:37 < blindcoder> would that be enough?
11:38 < esden> ok building dvorakng packet
11:39 < esden> blindcoder: for what?
11:40 * blindcoder starts crying
11:40 < esden> o_O
11:40 < blindcoder> after svn up && ./scripts/Create-Errlist -newdelete 1-bash doesn't build anymore
11:40 < netrunner> blindcoder: is that 12G ram?
11:40 < blindcoder> netrunner: it is :D
11:41 < blindcoder> esden: C Compiler can't create executables
11:41 < netrunner> blindcoder: how ...
11:41 < esden> blindcoder: you can complile rocklinux in ramdisc nice ;)
11:41 < blindcoder> netrunner: my baby at work :D
11:41 < esden> blindcoder: :(
11:41 < netrunner> blindcoder: hastalavista baby! /me getting pickup and shotgun
11:41 < blindcoder> netrunner: hehe :D
11:41 < esden> netrunner: muahaha
11:42 < blindcoder> netrunner: I beg you to steal it... I'm currently getting searched whenever I leave the Siemens-Ground...
11:43 < netrunner> blindcoder: where did you get it? we use proliants, and afaik the biggest there has 8G ...
11:43 < esden> blindcoder: because of the box?
11:43 < blindcoder> netrunner: I have no idea... I only know that it's a 4 processor machine x86, and that those processor have multiple-personality-disorder
11:44 < netrunner> blindcoder: oh, I have that too :)
11:44 < blindcoder> esden: no. Maybe it wasn't so good to walk around the ground with the book "Hackers" in my hands and a Cup of coffee in the other
11:45 < netrunner> blindcoder: what? do hackers always carry the book 'hackers' around to be easily identified? :)
11:45 < netrunner> blindcoder: you don't work for siemens i&s (or how it is called), do you?
11:46 < esden> blindcoder: lool
11:46 < netrunner> Job 5-glibc23                 builder (8457) since 11:40 2003-08-01
11:46 < netrunner> Job 5-linux24                 builder (8802) since 11:31 2003-08-01
11:46 < blindcoder> netrunner: I work for "Siemens Bescheisst Siemens"
11:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: Munich Hoffmannstrasse. Why?
11:47 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, my litle brother just finished his apprenticeship there.
11:47 < blindcoder> hmmm... right... there were final tests not long ago...
11:48 < netrunner> I read the questions ... funny :)
11:48 < blindcoder> netrunner: no... not funny at all...
11:48 < esden> argh micro$ ad's on freshmeat >_<
11:48 < blindcoder> netrunner: they _really_ mean the questions they ask there
11:49 < blindcoder> esden: well, I see those on FM][, SF... the whole OSDN to be exact.
11:49 < esden> yes I know
11:49 < blindcoder> OTOH
11:49 < netrunner> blindcoder: what do you expect? SoIstEsMeistensEigentlichNichtSinnvoll :)
11:49 < esden> but micro$ sponsoring linux is funny ;)
11:49 < blindcoder> no, I don't see them :-)
11:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: those questions aren't just Siemens... it's IHK
11:50 < blindcoder> IIRC I haven't seen a single ad on OSDN and most other sites for a loooong time now
11:51 < esden> hehe xblast is installing itself in /usr/usr/games
11:51 < esden> nice
11:51 < esden> someone has not done his homework
11:51 < blindcoder> esden: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/userContent.css
11:52 < netrunner> ts ... this cluster build ... he builds 5-{linux24,glibc23} but there are still 3-'s in the queue
11:52 < blindcoder> esden: put this into ~/.mozilla/default/*/chrome ad restart mozilla
11:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: well... yes...
11:53 < blindcoder> I don't have a hate on the cluster-build without reason
11:53 < blindcoder> esden: and then sing with me: "Where have all the ads gone?"
11:54 < blindcoder> this little file blocks ~75% of all ads on the 'net
11:56 < blindcoder> WEE!
11:56 < blindcoder> Finally I found the package for Mouse Trails in X :D
11:56 < netrunner> blindcoder: nice :)
11:56 < netrunner> esden: do you still have that soundcard? I want to use speech out for building :)
12:03 < esden> ok ... I sent the patch to the mailinglist ... netrunner ... you really must not be so fast in sending patches ... you have to securitise them
12:03 < esden> your second patch is still wrong my friend ...
12:04 < netrunner> esden: but ... grmbl .. but ... I was first! :P
12:04 < netrunner> esden: what's the matter with my second patch?
12:05 < esden> netrunner: I searched for a soundcard but still not at home ... I will recheck at home
12:05 < esden> I should have one there
12:05 < esden> netrunner: but mine will be applyied and yours not :P
12:05 < blindcoder> esden: tried the userContent.css?
12:05 < esden> I also have an improoved version of dvorak7min in my patch and not the outdated one ...
12:06 < esden> no not yet ... 
12:06 < esden> I have other things to do now ...
12:06 < blindcoder> grmpf
12:06 < esden> like showing my friend netrunner : fast != good ;)
12:07 * netrunner crouches through the dust to esdens feet and revokes his patch.
12:07 < esden> hehe 
12:08 < esden> netrunner: stop it ... you are dispersing the dust ... I am alergic
12:08 < netrunner> I am too, so what's the matter?
12:08 * netrunner now goes out for lunch. and some beer :)
12:09 < esden> you are a minion and I am a master ;)
12:09 < esden> bon apetitt netrunner 
12:09 < netrunner> ... and reparing the bordnet of the bimobil
12:09 * blindcoder cursing cluster-build now just for doing so
12:10 * -> esden packing stuff for ingolstadt
12:12 < blindcoder> esden: when will you drive to IN?
12:13 < esden> when I packed everything together ... when I brought bottles to walmart ... and took all my thing in the car
12:13 < esden> so in some hours
12:13 < esden> when do you leave work?
12:13 < esden> I could take you with me
12:15 < blindcoder> I leave at 17:00
12:15 < esden> I hope that it will be to late and that I am by then in ingolstadt ...
12:16 < esden> but you can call me or write in icq when you leave and then I tell you if I am still in munich
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12:17 < blindcoder> okay, will do
12:17 < esden> good 
12:18 < daja77> re
12:18 < esden> re daja77 sweetie ;)
12:19 < daja77> ahem ... re esden ...
12:20 < esden> daja77: *g*
12:20 < esden> ahh ... finally I can move a bit in my room ...
12:21 < daja77> where do you live now?
12:22 < esden> nearly in the same place as before ... only 100 meters away in an other house
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12:23 < daja77> Freak: !
12:23 < daja77> esden: slow mover *gg*
12:23 < blindcoder> esden: that means it's larger than the old?
12:24 < esden> blindcoder: nope ... it only means that there are no more boxes staying around on the floor
12:24 < esden> blindcoder: I would say that it is smaller ... 
12:24 < esden> but the m^2 is the same
12:24 < daja77> guess it is smaller and more expensive than the old one ...
12:24 < esden> the stuff is ordered in an other way then in the old room
12:25 < esden> daja77: it costs the same
12:25 < esden> the difference is that it is mine ... 
12:25 < daja77> ah ic
12:25 < Freak> daja77!
12:25 < daja77> :)
12:26 < blindcoder> esden: ic
12:26 < esden> hi Freak 
12:26 < daja77> Freak: so you liked that movie, yesterday?
12:27 < blindcoder> hmm
12:27 < Freak> which one? teaching mrs tingle? yes. its slight entertainment. and katie holmes is in it.
12:27 < blindcoder> rene didn't apply the patch for koules >_<
12:27 < Freak> :)
12:28 < daja77> katie holmes never heard of it
12:28 < daja77> or her ...
12:29 < esden> Freak: yes katie holmes is very nice ;)
12:29 < esden> I have seen that film too very long time ago
12:29 < esden> two years or so on dvd
12:29 < blindcoder> teaching mrs tingle? sounds like a pr0n movie
12:30 < esden> blindcoder: it is not pr0n
12:30 < blindcoder> but it sounds like one
12:30 < esden> blindcoder: if you need pr0n ask the master SMP ;)
12:30 < blindcoder> esden: how do you set the keymap in X?
12:30 < Freak> esden: :)
12:30 < esden> blindcoder: setxkbmap
12:30 < blindcoder> ah thx
12:31 < esden> the name of this program sux
12:31 < esden> it really sux
12:31 < blindcoder> yes, indeed
12:31 < esden> that is the worst name selection for a program that I have ever seen >_<
12:31 < esden> I needed over 1 year to find it >_<
12:31 < blindcoder> actually, I have heard worse...
12:32 < daja77> one year latency *wooo*
12:32 < esden> daja ... be carefull ... 
12:32 < daja77> carefull *lol*
12:33 < esden> *lol* poor netrunner ... I am really sorry for him
12:33 < daja77> why
12:33 < esden> really no irony
12:33 < esden> daja77: see rlml
12:33 < daja77> hehe crashed hw again
12:34 < esden> o_O
12:34 < esden> who netrunner ? ... nooo
12:34 < esden> see mailinglist
12:35 < daja77> *gna*
12:35 < esden> ?
12:36 < daja77> haven't read for three days or so, mailbox is quite full ...
12:36 < esden> daja77: what are you doing all the time? ... you lazy ... whatever ;)
12:37 < daja77> meeting friends, doin some work, enjoy holidays (sic)
12:38 < blindcoder> aaah... those mystical "Life is fun"-thing?
12:38 < daja77> yes sort of
12:38 < daja77> but it isn't
12:39 < blindcoder> well, _I_ know that.
12:40 < daja77> sure, how could I forget
12:40 < daja77> dvorak learning tool, ktouch should be enough, no?
12:42 < esden> o_O
12:43 < daja77> ktouch a typewriter learning tool, which my grandma uses quite frequently ...
12:43 < esden> ROFL ... the 64bit sparc userland works only with dietlibc ... *muahahahahahahahahaha*
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12:43 < daja77> huh?
12:44 < esden> daja77: another mail in the rlml
12:44 < daja77> 209 new mails *grml*
12:45 < daja77> have no time for it now
12:45 < esden> blindcoder: rxr should really do something about his patch apply mechanism ...
12:46 < daja77> hmm haven't checked if gnokii patch made it ...
12:46 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M365P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
12:50 < daja77> *woohoo* the new apache could be my friend
12:51 < esden> daja77: why?
12:52 < daja77> cos it is not that fscked up configured than the old one by my predecessor
12:53 < daja77> + I can start to replace cvs by svn with it
12:53 < esden> aha
12:53 < jsaw_> re
12:53 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
12:53 < daja77> re jsaw
12:55 < esden> re jsaw 
12:55 < jsaw> hi guys
12:59 < daja77> *hmpf* guess I have to do website programming again
13:03 < daja77> ok brb
13:08 < esden> jess rulez!
13:12 < daja77> jess?
13:13 < esden> an xmms visualization plugin
13:13 < esden> the best I have ever seen till now
13:13 < daja77> btw why are doubling every l today?
13:13 < esden> http://arquier.free.fr/
13:14 < esden> daja77: O_o I do doublle ll's? ;)
13:14 < daja77> yesss
13:15 < esden> dunno
13:15 < daja77> you write things like carefull *ggg*
13:16 < blindcoder> ah, dynamic websites with bash rule :D
13:16 < esden> dunno ... that are mistakes that I make for a long time now ... ... 
13:16 < daja77> guess it takes only a few hours and esden really hates me ...
13:17 < esden> daja77: I hate you already sooooo ...
13:17 < esden> ;)
13:17 < jsaw> s/hours/ato seconds/ (if done correctly)
13:17 < daja77> ok so i made the job already *sigh*
13:18 < esden> daja77: congrats ... hehe
13:19 < daja77> d'oh if i'd never been to that german-soviet friendship meeting I could have a chance at esden ...
13:19 < esden> aaaargh ... soviets! *run*
13:19 < esden> :P
13:19 < daja77> :P
13:19 < jsaw> as I said, ato secs
13:19 < daja77> whatever that is
13:20 < esden> jsaw: what means "ato"?
13:20 < jsaw> pico, femto, ato (10^-18)
13:20 < daja77> hehe at least I am fast :P
13:21 < jsaw> read "$\lim_{t\rightarrow 0}"
13:21 < esden> daja77: but be carefull that you are not as fast as netrunner ... that broke his neck ;)
13:21 < daja77> netrunner is bad omen, no?
13:22 < esden> daja77: dunno ... ask him 
13:22 * -> esden should shave himself ... *grumbl*
13:22 < daja77> hullo netrunner, are you a bad omen? *ggg*
13:22 < daja77> s/shave/shame
13:22 < daja77> *duck*
13:23 < esden> aha ... and why should I shame?
13:23 < blindcoder> just because :P
13:23 < daja77> exactly
13:24 < esden> I hate you all *weep*
13:24 < daja77> *yes* we knew it
13:25 < esden> :(
13:25 * daja77 hands esden a fortune cookie (which reads: you are a bad omen)
13:25 -!- Ge0rG [georg@bender.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux
13:25 < esden> thanks daja77 ...
13:25 * daja77 trying to escape esden's baseball bat
13:26 < daja77> Ge0rG: !
13:26 < Ge0rG> kali mera
13:26 * -> esden is not hitting anyone today with a baseball bat ...
13:26 < esden> hi Ge0rG 
13:26 < daja77> good to see you agian
13:27 * Ge0rG was in greece for two weeks, and is back now
13:27 -!- msp[] [m@pD9538F70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
13:27 < daja77> cool how was it
13:27 < Ge0rG> daja77: pretty hot =)
13:28 -!- msp[] is now known as msp[-]
13:28 < daja77> air conditioned work place :P
13:29 < esden> hi string ... what happened to you? ... you created a syntax error ... o_O
13:29 -!- msp[-] [m@pD9538F70.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Ping timeout")
13:29 < daja77> lol
13:29 < esden> oups ...
13:29 < esden> I was right ;)
13:29 < daja77> hehe you used the french oups cool
13:30 < esden> french? ... really?
13:30 < daja77> yeah deElsasser said this :)
13:32 < esden> ok he has to know that ;)
13:33 * daja77 liked to meet him in karlsruhe ...
13:36 < esden> hmm
13:38 < blindcoder> hmm... that might explain something
13:38 < blindcoder> the ARS-Server has a major breakdown...
13:39 < blindcoder> that's why there were o TroubleTickets today... ^^
13:39 < daja77> hehe
13:39 * blindcoder packs away big axe without being noticed...
13:40 < daja77> you gamer!
13:41 < blindcoder> gamer? well... yes... a bit... why?
13:41 < daja77> oh nothing
13:41 < esden> hehe I found a new pocket in my pants ... *lough*
13:41 * blindcoder eyes daja77 suspiciously
13:41 < blindcoder> esden: that's no "pocket"
13:41 < daja77> lol
13:41 < esden> blindcoder: what then?
13:42 < blindcoder> esden: that's where other men keep their... youknowwhat...
13:42 < esden> what?
13:42 < esden> o_O
13:42 < blindcoder> well... in biology it's calld "external reproductive organs" :D
13:42 * blindcoder runs as fast as he can
13:43 < esden> hmm ... that pocket looks mor like a pocket for condoms
13:43 < esden> it is pretty hidden and in right format ...
13:43 < blindcoder> oh, you mean THAT pocket.
13:43 < daja77> built in condome
13:43 < blindcoder> esden: you know, mobile phones also fit in it just fine :D
13:44 < esden> you have strange mobile phones o_O
13:44 < blindcoder> small ones :D
13:44 < daja77> hehe
13:44 < blindcoder> small PHONES, of course
13:44 < daja77> enlarge your mobile!
13:44 < esden> nice topic for my spams daja77 ;)
13:45 < blindcoder> "Never need a big car anymore!"
13:45 < daja77> I wanted to do t-shirts with my favourite spam subjects
13:45 < esden> what is your favorite spam subject?
13:45 < blindcoder> "MAKE MILLIONS OF $$$ WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING!" ???
13:45 < daja77> enlarge your p*n*s! at least I am getting that one most
13:46 < blindcoder> nah, Nigeria already topped that here
13:46 < blindcoder> http://www.animeftp.net/user.php?id=1
13:46 < blindcoder> My SPAM statistic :)
13:46 < daja77> not here, maybe I subscribed the wrong list
13:47 < daja77> the newest is: the scientific way to enlarge your ...
13:48 < daja77> or how to make her happy >_<
13:48 < esden> hehe
13:48 < esden> I know very well how to make her happy ... www.durex.pl is my friend ;)
13:48 < blindcoder> esden: we should reboot apollo... really...
13:48 < daja77> speaking polish, oh come on ...
13:49 < esden> blindcoder: ???
13:49 < blindcoder> esden: cron doesn't run since the panic...
13:49 < esden> weasel@apollo:~$ uptime
13:49 < esden> 13:49:14 up 438 days, 13:50, 12 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00
13:49 < esden> yes ... I think now we can do that
13:49 < blindcoder> this evening? @bitz?
13:50 < esden> blindcoder: yes 
13:50 < blindcoder> okay
13:50 * -> esden writing e-mail to chatmaster@bingo-ev.de
13:50 < blindcoder> esden: I just realized it because my SPAM-Stats weren't updated since the panic...
13:52 < blindcoder> "Being paranoid isn'tbad, it gives you the feeling that someone's after you." -- Acid Burn
13:52 < blindcoder> hehe, I like that sentence
13:52 < blindcoder> brb
13:54 < jvc> esden: what is the 438 days machine running?
13:55 < esden> jvc: what do you mean?
13:55 < jvc> what version operating system is on it
13:55 < esden> apollo:~$ uname -a
13:55 < esden> Linux apollo 2.4.17 #5 SMP Sun Jan 20 22:54:34 MET 2002 i686 unknown
13:55 < esden> weasel@apollo:~$
13:55 < jvc> ok
13:55 < esden> it is debian :(
13:55 < esden> but I am sure that rock will run also very long
13:56 < esden> but this box will be rocked first when all hardware is there to upgrade
13:56 < esden> and 2.0 is out ...
13:56 < esden> *sigh*
13:56 < jvc> yesterday I found out that our disk array (sun) reboots after I belief 437 days
13:56 < esden> jvc: why that?
13:56 < jvc> bugs
13:58 < jvc> o it was 497 days
13:59 < jvc> I found out because I was searching why our disk array got a reset
14:00 < blindcoder> isn't that the integer-overflow bug?
14:00 < blindcoder> some OSes just continue counting from 0 while others reboot
14:00 < daja77> lol
14:00 < esden> blindcoder: cron is running
14:00 < blindcoder> in Windows 95 that limit was reached after a bit more than a week --> BSoD
14:01 < blindcoder> esden: well, my cronjobs don't
14:01 < esden> blindcoder: mine is working
14:01 < blindcoder> hmm... strange
14:02 < esden> Aug  1 14:00:01 apollo /USR/SBIN/CRON[426]: (weasel) CMD (/home/weasel/bin/irc-frequent.sh)
14:02 < esden>      Aug  1 14:00:01 apollo /USR/SBIN/CRON[427]: (crash) CMD (/usr/local/mrtg/bin/mrtg /usr/local/mrtg/etc/bchat.cfg >/dev/null 2>&1)
14:02 < jvc> they dont say way, luckely there is a patch for both problems
14:02 < esden> from /var/log/syslog
14:03 < blindcoder> esden: hmm...
14:03 < blindcoder> just a moment
14:04 < blindcoder> yeah they are running...
14:05 < blindcoder> but why don't they do what they are supposed to?
14:05 < blindcoder> hmm... guess I'll have to wait till tomorrow to see the error-message...
14:05 < blindcoder> it works fine when I start it from the command line
14:06 < esden> strange
14:06 < blindcoder> indeed
14:06 < blindcoder> and also, it DID run...
14:06 < blindcoder> it just didn't change anything...
14:09 < jvc> does anybody know why my mount --bind x y   gives mount: no such file or directory?
14:10 < esden> it is mount -o bind x y ... or have I missed something?
14:11 < jvc> that works
14:11 < esden> loool I wrote a reply email to chatmaster in english instead of german without noticing it ... *rofl*
14:11 < daja77> lol
14:11 < jvc> why is build-pkg using --bind then
14:11 < esden> jvc: humm ... no idea
14:12 < blindcoder> I still find it interesting that www.animeftp.net is regularly indexed by www.almaden.ibm.com
14:12 < blindcoder> esden: you also talked to me in Polish and didn't notice it.
14:12 < jvc> well i will put it on the list, so that someone can give some explanation
14:12 < blindcoder> because --bind is correct?
14:13 < blindcoder> man mount shows --bind
14:13 < esden> blindcoder: that shows that I speak that languages fluently ;)
14:13 * -> esden shawing off ;)
14:13 < esden> argh
14:13 < blindcoder> and if mount says nsfod then one of the dirs doesn't exist
14:13 < esden> s/shawing/showing/
14:13 < fake> wtf ?!
14:13 < esden> fake: ???
14:13 < esden> hi fake sbtw
14:14 < fake> has anyone encountered libhistory.so flaws with realine?
14:14 < fake> hi
14:14 < daja77> hi fake
14:14 < fake> readline*
14:14 < blindcoder> hi fake
14:14 < esden> fake: /me not
14:15 < fake> i get this all the time - after readline is built, the chroot doesn't work anymore, because it removes libhistory.so, which is needed by bash
14:15 < esden> ok ... I leave to sell some bottles ..
14:15 < esden> bbl
14:15 < fake> cu
14:15 < jvc> I might be that I am compiling on an older system 1.7.0-DEV-200203272252
14:15 < fake> jvc: prehistoric
14:15 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-161-240.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:15 < fake> hi capchaos!
14:16 < capchaos> Hi, fake!
14:16 < jvc> I know, thats why i am compiling a new one
14:16 < jvc> on sparc that is
14:22 < blindcoder> I can't help it but whenever I see LDAP I must think of Lisp
14:23 * daja77 notes that blindy is weird
14:23 < blindcoder> why? the parenthesis to "code" ratio is about the same...
14:24 < daja77> hehe
14:24 * daja77 had to use haskell for functional programming
14:25 < capchaos> poor daja
14:25 < blindcoder> I have never touched Haskell... and I don't miss it.
14:25 < blindcoder> I think I'd even prefer brainf*ck to haskell
14:25 < blindcoder> from what I've heard...
14:26 < daja77> capchaos: why?
14:26 < daja77> hi cap btw
14:26 < capchaos> "Why use Haskell?" - "No one knows/needs it."
14:26 < fake> functional coding is... strange.
14:26 < blindcoder> &(|(sn=Ernst)(sn=Thomas))(|(gn=Ernst)(gn=Thomas))
14:26 < capchaos> Hi, daja!
14:26 < blindcoder> *argl*
14:26 < daja77> some things are really cool in haskell
14:27 < daja77> but fake is right
14:28 < daja77> actually i liked haskell more than the mathematical part of that course
14:29 < blindcoder> well if that doesn't tell something about the course...
14:30 < daja77> theory of programming languages, 'nuff said
14:30 * daja77 now reading about css
14:31 * daja77 thinks it is quite cool
14:31 < capchaos> daja77, don't read, use ;)
14:32 < daja77> yeah I am doin it, but have to read before
14:32 < capchaos> You.. student! :p
14:33 < daja77> hey
14:34 < daja77> where have you been cap?
14:35 < capchaos> Here and probably there!
14:35 -!- cytrinox_ [~cytrinox@p213.54.210.125.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux
14:36 < daja77> :P
14:37 * fake is ill again -_-
14:37 < daja77> huh?
14:40 < fake> flew
14:40 < daja77> wtf you are doin?
14:40 < fake> my immune system didn't like the antibiotika against the 'mandelentzuendung' and opened the doors for all viruses ;)
14:41 < daja77> like a personal firewall ...
14:42 < capchaos> trojaner-antibiotika?
14:43 < daja77> ok fed up with reading, starting to code sth
14:44 < capchaos> daja77, all you need is the spec :)
14:44 < capchaos> fake, get well soon!
14:44 < fake> capchaos: thx, hope to be fit on the cccamp ;)
14:44 < daja77> and some imagination ...
14:44 < capchaos> fake, you lucky..
14:45 < fake> yeah, luck, that's all. i thought i wouldn't go up until last week...
14:47 -!- ring0 [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux
14:50 < daja77> hi ring0
14:55 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@213.54.198.251] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
14:55 < ring0> hi daja77
14:57 < capchaos> ring0!
14:57 < ring0> hi cAppY !
14:59 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:01 < daja77> hehe full house again
15:01 < daja77> wb rolla
15:01 < ring0> its busy thats for sure
15:02 < daja77> you are busy?
15:02 < ring0> ofcourse makeing script (&& feeling like a kiddy) :)
15:02 < daja77> lol
15:02 < daja77> good that you haven't said kitty
15:03 * fake platzt der kopf
15:03 < daja77> uh what a mess
15:03 < ring0> no my kitty is haressing me (wants allways f00d)...
15:03 < fake> daja77: not much in there to make a mess with ;)
15:04 < daja77> dust?
15:04 * daja77 hides
15:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw, blindcoder
15:07 < esden> re hi all
15:08 < daja77> taaatam esden is back
15:08 < esden> hehe 
15:09 < esden> I am happy too to see you daja77 ;)
15:09 < daja77> hehe ;-)
15:09 * -> esden making another capuccino
15:09 < esden> +p
15:09 < daja77> gimme one pls
15:10 * daja77 doin boring www coding so I often stop by here
15:10 < blindcoder> still two hours until I can go home >_<
15:10 * -> esden reaches a cappu over to daja77 
15:11 < daja77> thx esden
15:12 < blindcoder> hehe, nothing like de.alt.games.linux :D
15:13 < daja77> is it that funny?
15:13 < blindcoder> well, there are always some good FlameWars going on
15:13 * daja77 notes that blindy reading news now ...
15:13 < daja77> hehe that's why I read dasr
15:14 < blindcoder> de.alt.soc.real-life?
15:14 < daja77> de.alt.sysadmin.recovery
15:14 < blindcoder> oh... almost :D
15:15 < blindcoder> but I still don't understand why bingo e.V. doesn't carry rec.games.roguelike.nethack
15:15 < daja77> which client you use?
15:15 < blindcoder> mutt
15:15 < daja77> ah
15:15 * daja77 using slrn
15:16 < esden> hehe ... I will get a call from master cliff. :)
15:16 < daja77> cool, why
15:16 < blindcoder> I tried slrn, but I seem to have screwed up somethingc... it only downloaded news that were at least a month old...
15:16 * capchaos using telnet with Freak's smtp server to get him angry *g*
15:16 < daja77> oh
15:16 < esden> daja77: camp stuff
15:16 < daja77> well i like slrn scoring
15:17 < blindcoder> hmhm
15:17 < esden> hmm ... that cappu is still too hot >_<
15:17 * blindcoder got a free Caffe Latte from Chi today (again) ^^
15:17 -!- Lorini [~blah@stdw-wh-vip62.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux
15:17 < Lorini> hi
15:17 < fake> o_O
15:18 < fake> Lorini: hi ;)
15:18 < daja77> so the idiot posts are not shown, and threads where people post whom i like to read are shown first
15:18 < blindcoder> and yesterday she sponsored me a Latte Macchiatto :)
15:18 < esden> hi Lorini !!!
15:18 < daja77> hi Lorini
15:18 < daja77> what a day, everybody showing up today here
15:18 < blindcoder> daja77: well, I prefer it raw and uncut. in "my" groups, there isn't so much bad stuff going on.
15:18 < esden> daja77: yes it seems so ... it is a "meeting all possible people"-day
15:18 < daja77> hmm guess i read too much much groups
15:19 < daja77> -much
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15:19 < rammi> hi.
15:19 < daja77> as long as no idiots are haunting me here it is ok
15:19 < esden> hi rammi 
15:19 < daja77> hi rammi
15:19 * -> esden hunts daja77 
15:19 < esden> ;)
15:19 < daja77> oh shit
15:19 < rammi> :)
15:20 < daja77> somehow I missed that fact ...
15:21 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@B5dae.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
15:21 < esden> hehe ... your mistake my friend ... /me jumps on daja77's lap and looks in his eyes 
15:21 * daja77 shivers
15:21 < rammi> :))
15:21 < esden> yuck ... /me runs away
15:22 * daja77 relaxes
15:23 * daja77 notes that the colors he has chosen suck
15:25 * capchaos has a girlfriend for that purpose
15:25 < rolla> re
15:25 < esden> daja77: that was to be expect ;-)
15:25 < daja77> capchaos: I am working on that
15:25 < daja77> esden: :PPP
15:25 < esden> capchaos: good use for a GF
15:27 < rammi> can someone tell me the name of this font.. ? http://jimmac.musichall.cz/splash/gimp/gimp-devel.png
15:27 < rammi> from the splash ?
15:28 < blindcoder> women! *takes out shotgun* Where?
15:28 < esden> rammi: hmm ... here are no artists ... and no graphicians ... I do not think that we know how the font is called
15:29 < daja77> blindcoder: why shooting them?
15:29 < blindcoder> daja77: bad experience...
15:29 < fake> daja77: more like hunting?
15:29 < esden> blindcoder: do not kill her ... give her to me ... I will make better use from her ... she will be dead after it too
15:29 < blindcoder> esden: I know that you are hungry...
15:29 < daja77> dead by little esden *shakehead*
15:30 < esden> blindcoder: no ... I have to get rid of some testosteron ;)
15:30 < blindcoder> esden: you don't say...
15:30 < esden> ?
15:30 < blindcoder> esden: more like "protein" than testosterone
15:30 < daja77> why should she die by that little action ...
15:30 < blindcoder> daja77: because she's useless afterwards.
15:31 -!- fake_ [~fake@pD9EB71B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:31 < esden> daja77: you do not know me that well ...
15:31 < daja77> because esden was on her?
15:31 -!- fake [~fake@pD950EEA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: fake_!~fake@pD9EB71B3.dip.t-dialin.net)))
15:31 -!- fake_ is now known as fake
15:31 < blindcoder> daja77: because every woman is useless afterwards
15:31 < daja77> depends
15:32 < blindcoder> fact
15:32 < daja77> she could make some coffee
15:32 < blindcoder> but she won't
15:32 < daja77> cos you have no charm
15:32 < blindcoder> thakns for reminding me
15:32 < daja77> np
15:33 < rolla> damn
15:33 < fake> rolla: ?
15:33 < daja77> hehe good to hear rolla again
15:33 < esden> rolla: is back to the living 
15:33 < esden> hi rolla 
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15:34 < blindcoder> esden: I htikn he's just as alive as you usually are...
15:34 * fake listens to theatre of tragedy - a rose for the dead
15:35 < daja77> esden alive? huh?
15:35 * daja77 notes that his nonsense typing breaking the limit today
15:35 < esden> ok .. I take a water cooker with me and cappu
15:35 < esden> decision made
15:35 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-161-240.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Temet nosce.")
15:36 < fake> esden: in selgros you can get ~200 portions for almost nothing
15:37 < esden> fake: I have a family pack .. that should be enough for the first two days or so ... 
15:37 < esden> but thanks for the info
15:37 < fake> esden: with the one-portion-packs you have the advance of not needing to think about how much to put into one cup.
15:37 < esden> but I do not have a selgros card
15:37 < fake> fake: speeds up the process by 10% and makes it nice-able
15:38 < esden> fake: I do not think of how much ... I put as much in the cup as I want ;)
15:38 < fake> esden: you have to start a new query everytime, because 'things one wants' may change
15:39 * daja77 wondering if esden takes alcohol with him ...
15:39 * fake ordered 6 bottles of Gulden Draak @ wim
15:39 < daja77> cool
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15:39 < esden> daja77: not that I know of
15:39 < esden> I do not drink alcohol on computer meetings
15:40 < esden> normally at least
15:40 < esden> daja77: I make an exception for you on rock dev meeting ;)
15:40 < daja77> you are never drunk enough to forget your root password, hehe
15:40 < fake> daja77: eer.
15:40 < fake> daja77: that's a natural protection mechanism...
15:40 < daja77> fake: ?
15:41 < fake> daja77: maybe you know it, but can't type nor spell it ;)
15:41 < blindcoder> daja77: then you have a weak root-password :D
15:41 < esden> I can only remember one party at fake's ... I could not type any password anymore ...
15:41 < fake> muahaha
15:41 < blindcoder> esden: could you do _anything_ anymore?
15:42 < esden> blindcoder: I was able to puke ... so yes I was able to do something ;)
15:42 < daja77> just a phrase, said by people who made real crap on their machines cos they still knew root password
15:42 < blindcoder> daja77: I see... :-)
15:43 < esden> ok ... swimming stuff packed too ..
15:44 < esden> hmm ... what else do I need ...
15:44 < blindcoder> swimming stuff?
15:44 < daja77> condomes ...
15:44 < esden> daja77: that was the first thing I packed!!!
15:44 < daja77> ic
15:44 < esden> or better I always have them with me
15:45 < daja77> just in case that never happens
15:45 < blindcoder> esden: why swimming stuff?
15:45 < esden> blindcoder: at cccamp there is a lake
15:45 < esden> and Gdynia is directly on the polish coast
15:46 < esden> I also take my neopren with me too
15:46 < esden> -too
15:46 < blindcoder> esden: i c
15:47 * daja77 wondering why esden is packing condomes first when driving to a meeting where are mostly men
15:47 < esden> daja77: I promissed a girl that I will be there ...
15:47 < blindcoder> daja77: don't follow that thought... please... just don't...
15:47 < daja77> blindcoder: ok I stopped
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15:51 < rolla> PII 400's are slow :(
15:51 < rolla> 3 days to compile kde
15:52 < daja77> O_o you compiling kde?
15:53 * -> esden bringing natalie to the car .. brb
15:54 * fake away -> visitors
15:55 < daja77> oh they got you *ggg*
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15:56 < joss> Hi, whats the package or source containing that mime utility?
15:57 < daja77> mine?
15:57 < joss> mine yes
15:57 < daja77> package mine
15:57 < netrunner> esden: what do you do with my natalia?
15:58 < daja77> natalie != natalia, no?
16:01 < netrunner> daja77: I hope so!!! otherwise   -  *polishingshotgun*
16:01 < joss> daja77: hace this happened to you when compiling at some point computer shuts down, and the power does not function anymore?
16:01 < joss> hace=have
16:01 < netrunner> freefonts still do not compile
16:01 < blindcoder> joss: yes. It's called power-outage
16:01 < Ge0rG> joss: maybe its overheating?
16:02 < esden> netrunner: I had fun with her ... now she is in the car
16:02 < joss> no its not overheating cpu temp is not critical
16:02 < Ge0rG> or maybe your new 30GHz cpu made the fuse melt :)
16:03 < daja77> joss: yes my power supply was borken, replaced it ...
16:03 < Ge0rG> bbl
16:03 < joss> hmm, power supply?
16:03 < joss> you mean the wire?
16:03 * -> esden bringing ra to the car ... brb
16:03 < daja77> netzteil?!
16:06 < daja77> damn how can i see parse errors in css file
16:06 < joss> daja77: did you mean pc-s power supply wire or did you mean power as 220V wasnt stable in your place?
16:06 < daja77> power supply unit (PSU)
16:07 < daja77> that grey box you know
16:09 < joss> hmm, so waht you had to do to imrove it?
16:09 < joss> bought a new tower?
16:09 < daja77> I replaced it with a new one
16:10 < daja77> no not the tower only the psu
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16:10 < esden> re
16:10 < daja77> ra ;-)
16:10 < esden> daja77: learn typing ;)
16:11 < joss> daja77: so your computer started but did some unexpected tricks some times (during compilation in my case)?
16:12 < daja77> hehe that reminds me of the pantomine artist of ankh-morpork, who were hanged upside down, before a sign which read: learn the words
16:12 < daja77> joss: tricks?, no it just switched off during compilation
16:13 < esden> daja77: hehe
16:13 < joss> oh yess, then thats the case for me also i guess :)
16:13 < daja77> the psu fan was borken so it overheated and switched off
16:14 < daja77> brb
16:14 < joss> hmm, but my fan is working and holds the system temp 35C, still might be PSU fault?
16:15 < joss> hmm, in psu theres another fan?
16:16 < joss> dont know anything about those things i just watched my temps through gkrellm and as i see , I have two fans processors and system fan
16:16 < joss> and they are working fine
16:18 < joss> so compilation takes a lot more power, daja77: scroll my text, can it still be PSU fault?
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16:23 < blindcoder> esden: still in munich?
16:26 < daja77> joss: yes it can, and psu temp you usually can't monitor
16:26 < daja77> and yes it usually has a fan
16:27 < joss> so  daja77 inside psu theres another fan?
16:28 < daja77> ahem ... *looking suspiciously* ... yes
16:28 < joss> ok thanx daja77 :)
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16:33 < blindcoder> esden: ping
16:40 < blindcoder> seems like I have to take the train after all
16:40 < joss> so how much compilation takes power in comparison with other things like untaring or unziping? 1:5 :)?
16:41 < daja77> dunno
16:41 < blindcoder> about as much as your CPU+HardDisks combined
16:41 < joss> daja77 but lot more yes?
16:41 < blindcoder> tar'ing takes CPU and HD-Activity only over a limitad amount of time
16:41 < blindcoder> while compilation takes HOURS or even _DAYS_
16:41 < joss> yep
16:42 * daja77 getting familiar with css nice
16:43 < blindcoder> seems like esden is really fucking his computers right now...
16:46 < daja77> lol
16:47 < daja77> you said I shouldn't follow such thoughts ...
16:47 < blindcoder> yes... but they come back to mind...
16:48 < daja77> i know >_<
16:49 < blindcoder> especially when he talked about them and then doesn't nswer in IRC and phone
16:51 < blindcoder> WEE! not train ^^
16:51 < esden> hehe
16:52 < esden> ok ... I am off
16:52 < esden> cu l8er
16:52 < blindcoder> baibai!
16:53 < joss> any way to get muxed subs off from avi file or mpg?
16:54 < blindcoder> typing
16:56 < netrunner> hrmpf. I have a fix for freefont. so I want to update my clean tree to the most recent to create the patch. but I have to switch the tree first. but that fails. that is not good. my bloodpressure rises. I want to beat somebody. I ...
16:57 < blindcoder> jasor what do you muxed?
16:57 < blindcoder> mean with muxed?
16:57 < blindcoder> a text "stream"
16:57 < blindcoder> or encoded into the image?
16:58 < joss> muxed into mpg with submux, yep encoded in i guess
17:00 < blindcoder> then you can only type it per hand
17:00 < joss> havent tried to reencode video and audio with avidemux for example, maybe it cleans out
17:00 < joss> what i could type?
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17:01 < blindcoder> or do you want to remove it?
17:01 < joss> yes i want to remove it
17:01 < blindcoder> if it's part of the image, then it's impossible
17:02 < blindcoder> I've tried it myself and the only solution I found was exporting all frames to an image, opening gimp, pointing ver the subs as good as possible and reencode
17:02 < blindcoder> okay, I'll have to go now. Bye bye!
17:02 < daja77> bye blindcoder
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17:07 < netrunner> hm ... this is the point where it gets interesting: Job 5-xfree86                 builder (8802) since 16:15 2003-08-01
17:10 < cytrinox> hi
17:12 < netrunner> arg ... I am sooo stupid! a few lines to far in history and I did a Cleanup -full *scream*
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17:24 < daja77> loool
17:25 * daja77 phears netrunner 
17:26 * daja77 now off
17:26 < daja77> cu
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18:01 < dennis> hi
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18:26 < joss> heh, mike is from costa rica :)
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18:54 < fake> re
18:54 < dennis> wb fake
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19:12 < Nebukadneza> ping owl
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19:48 < dennis> need your opinions: i have to send a company my cv, foto, etc. per email, so which file format would be the best? (the company is working with linux) i think latex would be nice, but tell me plz what you thinking off.
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20:08 < rolla> re
20:14 < Nebukadneza> dennis: hmm ... i think latex too :)
20:15 < Nebukadneza> or if you say fotos, etc. ... just tar and bzip it
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20:44 < netunner> dennis: pdf. that's what I did.
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21:00 < dennis> netunner: yeah that sounds nice too, 'cause i can't write very well in latex ;-)
21:03 < jsaw> dennis: pdftex!
21:03 < jsaw> I mean pdflatex.
21:05 < dennis> jsaw: you mean generating a pdf file from latex...?
21:05 < jsaw> dennis: yes.
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21:05 < netcrow> hi
21:05 < dennis> hi netcrow
21:06 < jsaw> hello
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21:18 < ring0> I got a file containing filenames with spaces how can I use that in a for loop ?
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21:20 < netunner> ring0: quote it
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21:27 < ring0> netunner: ' or " ?
21:29 < SMP> ring0: yes
21:35 < rolla> yawn
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21:54 < esden> re hi all
22:04 < rxr> re
22:07 < rxr> SMP: ?
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22:11 < dennis> re
22:15 < Nebukadneza> microsoft.com is down
22:15 < rxr> ACK
22:16 < Nebukadneza> loel!
22:17 < rxr> hey - my private server is also down sometimes - why do you expect more from those guys ?
22:17 < rxr> what they run a software company?
22:17 < rxr> a big one?
22:17 < rxr> hm - nver heared of those ...
22:18 < SMP> rxr: yes
22:18 < rxr> SMP: hi
22:18 < rxr> SMP: concerning rock net - any new sources ?
22:18 < SMP> re: ROCK Net - I will not be in the office this weekend and so I will have time for it
22:19 < rxr> ok - could we work together on it? So we'll have the basics right at the end of the weekend?
22:20 < SMP> you could write the /sbin/rocknet wrapper in C
22:20 < SMP> turns out we can't #!/sbin/rocknet when /sbin/rocknet is in turn a shell script
22:21 < SMP> it should just exec /etc/rocknet/somefile with its argv
22:21 < rxr> ah - as clifford said, there is some ugly kernel hack for this sript execution  ...
22:22 < rxr> so I'll do rockplug, cross-tools pacakges inside ROCK (e.g. for sparc64 kernel in sparc32), and then do the C rocknet app ...
22:23 < SMP> it's basically a one-liner ;) but officially I do not know C ;)
22:27 < rxr> SMP: officially? What do you mean?
22:28 < SMP> that I can't write a C program from scratch
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22:29 < rxr> SMP: I'll do it ...
22:29 < SMP> yes, we already agreed on that ;)
22:30 < SMP> is it ok for you to move all the config and module stuff to /etc/rocknet/ ?
22:30 < rxr> oeh - yes
22:30 < rxr> could you trow you current code into svn soon?
22:31 < SMP> ok, I'll move things around and then try to remember my password
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22:39 < rxr> oh my is this sparc box slow
22:39 < rxr> jsaw: thanks for the very nice poster !"
22:44 < Nebukadneza> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-01.08.03-002/
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22:57 < rxr> jsaw: I now have a new wallpaper ...
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23:40 < rxr> strange
23:41 < rxr> on yet another box the svn switch worked too
23:43 < esden> rxr: poster?
23:44 < rxr> see the rock homepage ;-)
23:45 < rxr> hi esden
23:45 < rxr> hm - compiling the whole binutils seems to be faster then just installing the glibc headers ... ?!?
23:46 < esden> ahh you mean the tshirt design ...
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23:48 < netcrow> hi
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23:49 < mnemoc> re
23:50 < mnemoc> someone with time to help me with a dns problem :)
23:50 < esden> hi netti
23:50 < esden> hehe cool ipv6 addr
23:53 < mnemoc> what 200.74.171.130 answers for fragata.bsp.cl?
23:55 < netcrow> www.dnsstuff.com "resolv" your problems ;
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