--- Log opened Wed Aug 06 00:00:13 2003
--- Day changed Wed Aug 06 2003
00:00 * daja77 hides behind esden 
00:00 < rxr> some quick voting: should I apply minimal_XFree just as it is?
00:00 * Be-El replaces daja77 (bas)?sh with a nice csh or rc
00:00 < owl> buhuhahahuhauhuh. *crying* my parents are back :-( no :-((((
00:01 < Be-El> rxr: does it contain the usual development tools (compiler, make etc.) ?
00:01 < rxr> oh my - I hate this ROCK Linux effect
00:01 < daja77> huh?
00:01 < rxr> you search s.th. on google and just find ROCK Linux stuff ...
00:01 < daja77> hehe
00:01 < rxr> Be-El: ask owl  ;-)
00:01 < Be-El> owl ? ;-)
00:01 * daja77 keeps unchanged by Be-El 
00:02 < rxr> Be-El: but sure gcc is included, since it needs it to comile ...
00:02 < Be-El> daja77: *grmpf*
00:02 < owl> Be-El: depends on what you need... vim, make, autoconf, automake, gcc...
00:02 < Be-El> hmm...ok
00:02 < rxr> this time I sarch for scripting mew list
00:02 < rxr> s/list/lisp/ ..
00:02 < rxr> top entry:
00:02 < Be-El> i'll finish the regression build for a new and fixed version of mysql and start the minimal target afterwards
00:02 < rxr> "Scripting Mew to run from cron
00:02 < rxr>  " - René Rebe ...
00:03 * daja77 notes that rxr is a google vip
00:03 < tsa> rxr: feel free to troll around in the ms windoze newsgroups for a while ;)
00:03 < rxr> no thanks
00:03 < tsa> hehe
00:05 < daja77> rxr: do you have time later this day?
00:05 < rxr> much time?
00:06 < daja77> nah just having a look at rtai stuff
00:06 < daja77> afternoon i guess
00:06 < rxr> ah - you do not mean this night?
00:06 < rxr> tomorrow afternoon I might be at the camp ...
00:06 < daja77> no this night i'd use for sleep ;-)
00:06 < rxr> but I can chat from there I guess ...
00:07 < daja77> okis, if not this would be no tragedie
00:07 < daja77> tragedy
00:08 < daja77> how the hell the french word came into my mind ...
00:08 < tsa> 497 active packages
00:10 * daja77 off to bed now
00:10 < daja77> cool night to everybody
00:11 < owl> thx. 2 u 2, daja77 
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00:14 < Be-El> cu daja
00:15 < jsaw> bbl
00:16 < rxr> good night daja77 
00:16 < n00kie> sleep well daja77 
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00:18 < esden_> ahh ...
00:18 < esden_> ok ... this seems to work better
00:18 < esden_> re hi all
00:19 < netrunner> esden_: hi :)
00:19 < esden_> hi netrunner 
00:20 < esden_> netrunner: you poser have your primary nickname ;)
00:20 < rxr> rehi esden_ 
00:20 < esden_> rehi rxr 
00:21 < esden_> that is terrible ... than wlan stuff is not really working as expected >_<
00:25 < n00kie> Howdy esden big boy :)
00:25 < tsa> http://homepage.mac.com/pogo23/arsch.html
00:25 < esden_> hi n00kie little boy ;)
00:25 < n00kie> o_O
00:25 < n00kie> ;)
00:26 < n00kie> lol tsa
00:27 < esden_> i like that "arschgeweih" as far as it is on womens asses ;)
00:27 < tsa> hehe
00:29 < esden> humm ... now also my ssh is working
00:29 < esden> I ask myself for how long
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00:32 < rxr> esden:  see your esden_ query !
00:32 * netrunner plays with esden's network cable ...
00:32 < netrunner> rxr: he is currently seeing what's going on in the neighbour tent :)
00:32 < martin> gn8 all and rxr
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00:33 * netrunner just took esden's network cable out of the candle-fire
00:33 < martin> rxr: when will you travel? tomorrow?
00:34 < SMP> travel? hehehe
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00:36 < rxr> martin: the few meters, maybe tomorrow around lunch ...
00:36 < rxr> SMP: hi, rock-net commit ?
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00:37 < SMP> no chance right now - I'm installing my new laptop for the Camp
00:39 < rxr> but you take a latest copy of the files to the camp ?
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00:40 < SMP> rxr: of course
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00:42 < SMP> name any other distribution that one can install by booting a custom kernel with non-custom initrd from the network and installing packages from ISO images located on an NTFS patition
00:43 < SMP> (2nd stage came from NTFS, too, but that's rock-specific)
00:43 < Be-El> SMP: solaris jump start ? *duck*
00:44 < SMP> hehe
00:44 < Be-El> .oO ( if the ntfs partion is exported by a linux box via nfs to the installation server, of course )
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00:45 < rxr> esden: arh - still arround ?
00:46 < netrunner> rxr: now cabeling the neighbour-tent
00:46 < netrunner> rxr: shall I call him here?
00:47 < rxr> I only wanted to get his handy number ...
00:50 < tsa> see /msg
00:59 * rxr currently preparing some scrpit to automatically apply mails from the list
00:59 < rxr> this work get's too boring ...
00:59 < tsa> hehe
00:59 < Be-El> *g*
01:00 < Be-El> btw...the kdebindings patch fixes the package
01:00 < rxr> does someone now some way to execute mutt or pine on a mail-file to just play the normal content part ?
01:00 < rxr> Be-El: you mean the one I committed ?
01:00 < Be-El> rxr: yeap
01:01 < rxr> arhp - pine coredumped ...
01:01 < rxr> hm - pine always core-dumps on this iBook-
01:01 < rxr> hm
01:02 < rxr> hm - I try it on the ultrasparc until I have a debugable version of pine
01:03 < rxr> btw. Not only did I manged to segfault nameif - no! I also recently found a way to seg-fault mkreiserfs ...
01:03 < rxr> I think i should soon take some minutes to patch reiserfsprogs, pine, nameif and mc ...
01:07 < tsa> 452 active packages...
01:10 < rxr> tsa: normally you are a mail expert ;-) A tiny prog or pine/mutt whatever that outputs the normal message body out of a mail ?
01:10 < tsa> rxr: with mutt, you can use "|" to pipe a part of a message to a program
01:11 < rxr> I do not want to use mutt exclusively ...
01:11 < rxr> I just need the body out of a dumped mail ...
01:12 < Be-El> local mail dir ?
01:12 < tsa> try formail
01:12 < tsa> (or the perl MIME stuff)
01:18 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/splitmime.pl
01:18 < tsa> something like this
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01:21 < tsa> should be easy enough to adopt for your needs.
01:21 < rxr> hm - I take a look - thanks
01:21 < rxr> formail does not work as expected ...
01:22 < rxr> (for my current data-layout)
01:22 < tsa> ah, i see
01:33 < tsa> svn down?
01:34 < tsa> svn: RA layer request failed
01:34 < tsa> svn: REPORT response handling failed to complete the editor drive
01:36 < rxr> tsa: Hm - works fine here
01:36 < rxr> are you sure all is working on your side?
01:37 < rxr> what is svn --version ?
01:37 < Be-El> tsa: you need to update your svn version....same problem here...
01:37 < tsa> hm...an hour ago, it still worked..
01:37 < rxr> tsa: ok - but I'm still interested - which svn version
01:38 < tsa> 0.22.0
01:38 < Be-El> tsa: the problem does not show up at all svn actions....
01:38 < rxr> oh - that really really old ...
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01:43 < rxr> how do I force an install in cpan ?
01:43 < Be-El> force install Blah::Blubb
01:43 < rxr> the damn tool claims it is up to data (since I intalled it manually before) - ah - tried -f ...
01:44 < rxr> thanks - seems to start it ...
01:45 < Be-El> force install is also handy to install modules which tests failed...for some reason
01:45 < rxr> man - I'll have a ton of perl crap on the iBook just to get the body of a mail
01:46 < rxr> maybe I should write 100lines of C++ code to do the same but more light-weight ...
01:47 < rxr> arhg!Can't call method "print" on an undefined value at ./splitmime.pl line 24, <STDIN> line 111.
01:50 < jsaw> rxr: would that be something for you: http://www.methods.co.nz/python/mailextract.py?
01:50 < tsa> svn updated. ok again..
01:51 < jsaw> rxr: see also http://www.methods.co.nz/python/index.html
01:52 < jsaw> re btw
01:53 < Be-El> rxr: $body->print(\*STDOUT);
01:55 < jsaw> Be-El: are you going to supply more gnome2 updates (as long as Mike is here only sporadically), maybe?
01:56 < Be-El> jsaw: probably not....i just needed gtkperl for some application were are developing
01:56 < Be-El> jsaw: and i'm not familar with gnome2 at all
01:57 < jsaw> is it on anybody else's todo?
01:57 < Be-El> jsaw: i'm going to concentrate on perl modules and several bioinformatics application
01:57 < Be-El> .oO ( and fix that sge package before ;-) )
01:58 < rxr> jsaw: mailextract.py does not work because I need the body text, and not the multi-parts
01:58 < jsaw> Be-El: we should start a scientific target together...
01:59 < Be-El> jsaw: we can also ask kasc...he already maintains some chemical applications
01:59 < jsaw> rxr: o, sorry. (btw, with python, everything for email extraction is already there, but...)
01:59 < rxr> there is not need for a target / per use-case
01:59 < rxr> but grouping the applications into s scientific repository would be nice
02:00 < jsaw> rxr: or that, I have a couple of physics stuff 
02:00 < Be-El> and we need 4-digit build order numbers ;-)
02:01 < jsaw> rxr: BUT, most of my physics stuff is disabled by default. 
02:01 < rxr> they are alreay 6 digit !
02:01 < rxr> jsaw: why?
02:02 < jsaw> rxr: Because, they are rarely used outside physics. Should I make these X?
02:02 < rxr> Be-El: and this dot not really matter that much, a priority can be reused, they are build in alphabetical order ...
02:03 < rxr> maybe in 2.1 we should discard the priorty completely and always schedule the packages by the dependencies - and newm, dependency less packages are build last, and rebuild until the errors do not change anymore (genetic building? ;-) to create the new dependencies ...
02:04 < rxr> jsaw: yes - only packages which are not compatible (due to soem hardcore build modifications or whatever) should be disabled by default
02:04 < Be-El> and maybe we should find a way to split dependencies into compilte time and runtime dependencies
02:04 < rxr> especially since O pacakges are not build in a reference build and do not get upated .cache files
02:05 < rxr> jsaw: how was this comment about python and mail above ment? That you (or I?) do not liek python ?
02:06 < jsaw> rxr: I was not sure if u like or don't like it. So I was trying to be careful in suggesting python.
02:06 < rxr> do you like it ?
02:07 < jsaw> I haven't had much time to explore it. But I like the concept a lot.
02:07 < rxr> I normaly did not liked it - but the "mailextract" looks easy to adapt it to my needs ...
02:08 < rxr> I need food ... cu in some more minutes ...
02:09 < jsaw> cu rxr
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02:17 < rammi> hi .. long time no see :)
02:19 < jsaw> tsa: http://wxglade.sourceforge.net/
02:19 < Be-El> hi rammi
02:21 < tsa> ah
02:21 < tsa> more wxwin stuff
02:22 < Be-El> time to sleep....cu
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02:26 < rxr> re
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02:30 < rxr> jsaw: if you have time could you write some lines what concepts you like in python ?
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02:42 < rxr> cool - with a tiny modification the pyton script now does what I want ...
02:43 < mnemoc> re
02:43 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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02:45 < netrunner> ah, nice net now, thanks to esden :)
02:46 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
02:46 < SMP> hi mnemoc
02:47 < mnemoc> hi SMP
02:50 < mnemoc> rxr: i haven't read -cross packages yet, but can't be merged into classic stage 0?
02:51 < rxr> they are _additional_ packages
02:52 < rxr> for a _2nd_ compiler ;-)
02:52 < mnemoc> doh 
02:52 < rxr> and yes, they are _also_ build in stage0 (if enabled by the user - or automatically for sparc32 w/ 64bit kernel)
02:53 < mnemoc> what wold be the effect of using this 'new' compiler with standard x86?
02:53 < rxr> but if you have any improvements I'm open for suggestions ...
02:53 < rxr> there is no need ot use it
02:53 < mnemoc> i'll have to read them first ;)
02:53 < rxr> but you can just use it to e.g. build a ARM compiler or simillar
02:54 < mnemoc> i understand to 'no need'... but i'm thinking about replace ;)
02:54 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - read the packages first
02:54 < mnemoc> :)
02:54 < mnemoc> ok
02:55 < rxr> but this is not exactly a new compiler - just yet anthor cross compiler (currentl gcc3 is used ...)
02:55 < rxr> mnemoc: btw: You do gcc33 based builds regularly ?
02:55 < mnemoc> yep
02:55 < mnemoc> exclusively
02:55 < rxr> only minimal buils or even some more complete ones?
02:56 < rxr> I'm interested in error-ratio if used for a full desktop or generic build ...
02:56 < mnemoc> my biggest target has 120 packages :\
02:56 < rxr> mnemoc: btw: You know abou the new -ftracer (or so) optimisation option in gcc33 ?
02:57 < mnemoc> o_O
02:57 < mnemoc> no idea...
02:57 < mnemoc> let's google
03:00 < mnemoc> i'll do some clean up here, and build a generic with gcc33
03:00 < rxr> cool - that would be great
03:01 < rxr> the -ftracer does addition code-flow analyses (I read somewhere)
03:01 < rxr> results in slightly faster code ...
03:02 < mnemoc> do u wnat the test with or withour that var_append?
03:02 < mnemoc> i mean CC_WRAPPER :)
03:04 < tsa> hm..
03:04 < tsa> strange.
03:04 < tsa> `TODO' -> `/usr/doc/lgeneral/TODO'
03:04 < tsa> `ChangeLog' -> `/usr/doc/lgeneral/ChangeLog'
03:04 < tsa> Extracting lgeneral-data-1.1.3.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ... 
03:04 < tsa> Changeing into /vol/multimedia/mp3/trunk/src.lgeneral.1060131033.11651.2490500360/lgeneral-data-1.1.3 ...
03:04 < tsa> --- BUILD ERROR ---
03:05 < tsa> directory present and accessible, but build aborts..
03:07 < SMP> usually some early hook fucked up
03:08 < mnemoc> mp3/trunk?
03:08 < tsa> yes.
03:08 < tsa> had to move the rock tree there because all the other disks were filled up
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03:18 < rxr> Ok! Committed revision 1026.
03:18 < rxr> Using my new "Auto-Commit" ;-)
03:18 * rxr happy 
03:19 < mnemoc> auto-commit sounds dangerous
03:20 * tsa considers sending strange patches ;-)
03:20 < mnemoc> hehehe
03:21 < rxr> tsa: strange patches will be rejected using my mail client
03:21 < rxr> the auto-apply only applies stuff I save, and also only with my interaction ...
03:21 < tsa> i see.
03:21 < mnemoc> is mod_perl usable with apache2?
03:26 < mnemoc> rewrite: is mod_perl2 usable? anyone has tested it?
03:26 < rxr> I have not tested it
03:27 < tsa> don't know.
03:27 < rxr> but I heared (half a year or more ago) that some php perl whatever modules have problems with certain new thread models ..
03:27 < rxr> but I think since Apache2 is stabe and used for such a long time now those folks should got their threading problems solved ...
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03:40 < jsaw> rxr: the first concept in python I like is coupling syntax and structure. second, it's C-like. third, it's OO. But as I said, I'm currently exploring and am not very familiar with it yet.
03:41 * mnemoc prefers c# ;)
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03:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: really?
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03:47 < rxr> hm - I really dislike this indenting syntax coupling 
03:49 < jsaw> well, otoh, it forces u to structure the program right from the beginning, anyway,
03:50 < jsaw> I have to leave now. Tired. cu l8r.
03:55 < jsaw> rxr: ??? !> Extracting jasper-1.700.2.zip (--use-compress-program=bz ..
03:55 < jsaw> !> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:57 < rxr> oO - but we have zip support - strnage - I take a look after sleep ..
03:59 < jsaw> sleep well, /me now off *really*, gn8 all
03:59 < netrunner> hehe, esden just got interviewed about rocklinux on the local radio station
04:00 < rxr> cu
04:00 < netrunner> rxr n8
04:00 < rxr> netrunner: which radio statio =?
04:01 < netrunner> rxr: radio subether, on the camp ground 88.3
04:03 < rxr> hm - don't now ...
04:03 < rxr> s/now/know/ ...
04:03 < tsa> n8
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04:04 < netrunner> http://www.subether.de/stream.html
04:05 < rxr> was it a live interview ?
04:05 < netrunner> sure :) 
04:05 * netrunner forgot to save the stream , damn
04:06 < rxr> btw, since it is that late now - maybe we should meet arround 14-15 o'clock - what do you think ?
04:07 < rxr> ok - good night!
04:07 < netrunner> rxr: just call if you think we are to late.
04:08 < netrunner> rxr: we call when we are awake.
04:34 < esden> argl
04:34 < esden> that is terrible al that with the cards
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05:07 < esden> good night everyone
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05:37 < rolla> yawn
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07:20 < mistik1> yawn
07:21 * mistik1 feels so proud, LTSP has won the prize for best Open source project
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08:34 < fake> hi from the camp ;)
08:34 * fake just arrived
08:40 < owl> *ARGH*
08:40 < owl> morning
08:40 < owl> hi fake 
08:41 < owl> someone has endlesess package-build-loops or something, during the last days, too?
08:43 * fake not
08:43 * fake will sleep soon
08:43 < fake> before it gets too hot to fall asleep
08:43 < owl> hehe. didn't sleep at night?
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08:55 < blindcoder> moin *yawn*
08:57 < owl> hi blindcoder 
08:57 < blindcoder> hi owly
09:07 < blindcoder> nice, 9-rock-src fails
09:08 * blindcoder --> breakfast
09:27 * blindcoder back
09:28 < owl> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-06.08.03-000/ < *headshot*
09:31 < blindcoder> blablabla
09:35 < blindcoder> phew, finally I have all packages for imlib together
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10:57 < daja77> moin
11:02 < blindcoder> moin moin
11:03 < daja77> owl: rotfl they are getting even more ridiculous
11:03 < daja77> moin blindcoder 
11:05 < daja77> $699 for a tiny piece of sco crap code. not bad
11:08 < blindcoder> heh, as soon as they try to sue someone for it they have to disclose "their" code
11:08 < blindcoder> somehow, I'm really looking forward to thath
11:08 < blindcoder> s/.$//
11:10 < daja77> the interesting part is that you can get future kernels binary only, wtf
11:11 < blindcoder> well, if worse comes to worst I'll just add a *BSD or HURD kernel to ROCK :D
11:12 < daja77> until sco finds their code in them too
11:12 < daja77> at least bsd could be sue *pssstÜ
11:13 < daja77> nah it can't cos at&t has lost against them ...
11:15 < blindcoder> hmhm
11:15 < daja77> *rofl* http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/te/15329/1.html
11:16 < daja77> the conclusion is nice ...
11:20 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
11:20 < blindcoder> yes, it indeed is :D
11:28 < daja77> not that we all know this already ;-)
11:29 < daja77> anyway cu later
12:06 < netrunner> moin
12:06 < esden> moin
12:06 < esden> ahh hi netrunner you are awake too? ;)
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12:07 < netrunner> esden: yes. since you were talking to clifford so loud ...
12:08 < esden> hehe ;)
12:08 < esden> sorry ... I was not really awake at that point and did not really know what I do ...
12:11 < netrunner> esden: did you ever ...?
12:13 < esden> sure ... !!!
12:14 < rxr> hi esden 
12:14 < rxr> moin all
12:15 < blindcoder> ah finally all deps resolved
12:15 < blindcoder> hi all
12:15 < esden> hi blindcoder 
12:16 < esden> hi rxr 
12:16 < blindcoder> esden: you usually don't know what you do :P
12:16 < blindcoder> esden: hi :)
12:16 * -> esden takes out his LART and hits everyone in his neighbourhood
12:16 < blindcoder> good that I'm not there :-)
12:17 < rxr> esden: in which shops did you saw such self-cooling-beer-faesser?
12:17 * netrunner doesn't tell esden that there are wasps sitting on his muesli
12:17 < netrunner> rxr: they have it in bavaria ... from tucher iirc
12:17 < esden> WHERE WHERE!!!
12:17 < netrunner> rxr: ask your favourite beverage store :) (maybe call them up)
12:18 * blindcoder is now going to have lunch and will then install GPS-Target on his laptop :-)
12:18 < rxr> gps target? in ROCK ?
12:19 < blindcoder> rxr: well, basically minimum sans a few things plus X plus GPSDrive and deps
12:19 < blindcoder> unfortunately, of all the things I'm waiting for only the GPS-Receiver didn't arrive yet.
12:20 < blindcoder> maybe the delivery-van got lost somewhere around Ingolstadt :)
12:21 < netrunner> blindcoder: oh, was it that one we pushed from the track and crashed badly?
12:22 < blindcoder> netrunner:  tststs. don't I _always_ tell you to search the cars you push off the street afterwards?
12:22 < blindcoder> netrunner: what if there was still usable gadgets in it?
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12:23 < Be-El> hi ppl
12:24 * blindcoder now off for lunch
12:25 < netrunner> blindcoder: what do you think where I got my gps?
12:25 < blindcoder> netrunner: oh, okay then ^^
12:25 < blindcoder> netrunner: I'm proud of you *taps netrunner on head*
12:50 < daja77> cool anyone want this for rock http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/dal-06.08.03-000/
12:52 < daja77> lol sun is doomed, their linux distribution will be based on suse ...
12:53 < Be-El> daja77: suse is a nice distribution....as long as you don't dare to touch configuration files with some editor
12:54 < daja77> this knife is nice as long as you don't try cutting things with it ...
12:54 < Be-El> hehe
12:55 < Be-El> did you ever used solaris (either sparc or x86) ?
12:55 < daja77> yepp x86
12:55 < daja77> painfully slow
12:55 < Be-El> they improved a lot with the last release
12:56 < rxr> daja77: but I guess an arguement from SUN would be "hey it scales easily up to hundresds of CPUs" or "hey it supports TB of RAM" ...
12:56 * daja77 tried slowlartus 7
12:56 < Be-El> it's still slowaris, but you can work with it
12:56 < daja77> anyway what about that pda
12:57 < daja77> rxr: yeah sure but this is only true for sparc, x86 slowlartus is a bad joke
12:57 < Be-El> the problem of solaris/x86 is the x86 part...not solaris itself ;-)
12:58 < daja77> rofl
12:58 < daja77> i mean others can do perform on x86 ...
12:59 < Be-El> i have build some small x86 cluster some years ago, using solaris/x86 for the cluster pcs and solaris/sparc on the real machines...
12:59 < rxr> especially the performance of x86 CPU is not the problem - did you used such a dog-slow SPARC?
13:00 < daja77> no the solaris kernel is the problem, but hey they are professional
13:00 < daja77> s
13:00 < Be-El> daja77: performance on single-cpu machines is not the problem.....but if you need io performance and many cpus (> 4), the x86 architecture starts to fail
13:01 < daja77> the arch, sure? not the chipsets
13:01 < Be-El> sparcs may be slow with respect to number crunching....but they are fine for server applications
13:02 < daja77> still they are replaced by linux clusters
13:02 < Be-El> yes, the arch.....do you need the fast-a20 gate these days ? do you need real-mode bioses ?
13:02 < Be-El> linux clusters ae cheaper
13:02 < Be-El> +r
13:02 < daja77> ahem yes?
13:03 < rxr> Be-El: the realmode bios or the A20 gate do not hurt you in performance for the cluster
13:03 < rxr> and the only problem might be low-cost chipsets
13:04 < rxr> take a look at AMD64 and the integrated chipsets, w/ hypertransport ...
13:04 < daja77> + it depends on the cluster
13:04 < Be-El> rxr: i know, they were examples. there are many things that have been in the x86 since the early 80`.
13:04 < rxr> perfectly suited for really big NUMA clusters ...
13:04 < rxr> I like a good PC BIOS more than e.g. the OpenFirmware implementation on the rs/6k ....
13:05 < Be-El> rxr: take the current processors, e.g. the opteron, and put them on an optimized architectur...with real crossbars and improved io handling
13:05 * daja77 knows too many bad bios
13:06 < rxr> I know many totally fucked up BIOS, too - but some OpenFirmware variants also suck like hell
13:06 < daja77> all software sucks ...
13:07 < Be-El> just get rid of the bios at all, put in a micro kernel (L4 for example) and just plug the OS and its driver to it
13:07 * daja77 notes that mentioning sun is enough to start a flame war
13:08 < Be-El> daja77: hehe
13:08 < Be-El> and know.....svn update time ;-)
13:08 * daja77 off for breakfast
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13:13 < hopelessOwl> remoin
13:13 < Be-El> moin owl
13:14 < Be-El> 4 packages removed *sigh*
13:14 < hopelessOwl> Be-El: ?
13:14 < Be-El> owl: i have to improve my maintaince script....
13:15 < hopelessOwl> ah. k. 
13:15 < Be-El> every time i send a patch to this list and it gets applied, it recognize the package as changed and puts it into the rebuild queue
13:19 < Be-El> rxr: the jasper package is broken...the build scripts does not recognize the .zip extension and fails to extract the files
13:29 * netrunner wonders why esden alwas silently dissapears when there are dishes to do ...
13:30 < Be-El> perhabs he's allergic to water ? ;-)
13:44 < fake> hm
13:44 < fake> too hot to sleep, much too hot
13:44 < hopelessOwl> hi fake 
13:46 < blindcoder> lme back
13:47 < hopelessOwl> wb blindcoder 
13:47 < blindcoder> thx
13:50 * fake testing suspend-to-disk (swsusp)
13:55 * blindcoder installing ROCK-2.0.0-rc1-bc thus erasing ROCK 1.5.14
13:57 < rxr> Be-El: I saw this ...
13:57 < rxr> netrunner: when do you plan to come over? 
14:00 < blindcoder> hmm
14:00 < blindcoder> kernel booting... then nothing...
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14:13 < esden> re hi 
14:13 < blindcoder> hmm... strange
14:13 < esden> ahh ... the wlan_ng stuff is really a charm
14:13 < esden> it is now working without any problem
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14:14 < esden> I hate my stupidity ... why have I not realized that I need it earlier ... >_<
14:14 < blindcoder> I'd be happy to also be able to tell this from the install-CD
14:14 < blindcoder> Freeing unused kernel memory: 152k freed
14:14 < blindcoder> Laptop sitting there for 15 minutes now
14:15 < Be-El> "It's dead, Jim"
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14:15 < blindcoder> yeah...
14:16 * blindcoder adding "debug" to kernel parameters
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14:24 * -> esden installing kismet
14:25 * blindcoder np: Weird Al Yankovich - Bomb Iraq
14:30 < Be-El> does anyone got problems building the k3b package ?
14:35 < rolla> re
14:37 < Be-El> hi rolla
14:56 < rolla> wie geht's Be-El 
14:57 < Be-El> rolla: och jo, alles im gruenen bereich...geniesse gerade ne woche urlaub :-)
14:57 < Be-El> endlich mal zeit, wieder an rock zu arbeiten
15:04 < rxr> Be-El: no, k3b builds here
15:04 < Be-El> rxr: hmm..maybe the problem was related to --enable-final
15:05 < Be-El> anyways, there's an updated version of k3b available (0.9). should i send a diff ?
15:07 < blindcoder> hmm... which of the floppy*.img files is bootable?
15:08 < rxr> Be-El: yes - feel free.
15:08 < rxr> blindcoder: I would guess the first .. =
15:08 < blindcoder> rxr: that was my guess, too... but it doesn't...
15:12 < daja77> i hate this
15:13 < daja77> Searching for missing or liggering old files ...
15:13 < daja77> !> build/generic-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-32-generic-expert/pkgs/gkrellm-2.1.14.gem should not be present (now in src/invalid-files.lst)!
15:13 < daja77> why doesn't -newdelete remove it?
15:14 < blindcoder> ARGH
15:14 < blindcoder> makeimages.sh doesn't work anymore, too...
15:14 * blindcoder now gone, getitng new car, no more hassles with ROCK now.
15:15 < rxr> daja77: good idea - I might consider implementing this ...
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15:19 < Be-El> what's the best way to check whether a variable is defined in plain sh/bash ?
15:19 < rxr> I usually test if it has content
15:20 < daja77> rxr: this would reduce some annoyance ;-)
15:20 < Be-El> rxr: hmm...so something like  [ "$var" ] should work ? even if $var is 0 ?
15:21 < rxr> or -z or -n
15:21 < rxr> if $var is 0 your test will be true
15:22 < rxr> s/is 0/is '0'/ ...
15:24 < Be-El> ok...thnx
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15:55 < daja77> huhu fake 
15:55 < fake> hi there
15:56 * fake looking for esden
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15:56 < daja77> fake: why? wanna kill him?
15:58 < fake> no, make him settle down near the bsd tent and the roock tent space
15:58 < daja77> :)
15:58 < fake> esden: ping
15:59 < hopelessOwl> *lol* why not shouting?
15:59 < fake> hopelessOwl: i would have to shout louder than our music
16:00 < daja77> cos fake is a peaceful and calm guy
16:00 < fake> hopelessOwl: that would be hard
16:00 < hopelessOwl> *g* k. how is the heat in berlin?
16:00 < fake> it's damn fscking hot here
16:00 * Be-El hands fake a cd "Best of Schlager"
16:00 < hopelessOwl> poor guys :p
16:00 < fake> i bet i have a sunburn all over because the sun shone on and through the tent
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16:00 < Be-El> fake: that should be enough to lure everyone within 1 km to your place ;-)
16:01 * hopelessOwl leans back relaxed in a cold cellar room :p
16:01 < fake> Be-El: to throw things at me? great idea ;P
16:01 < Be-El> owl: *g*
16:01 < hopelessOwl> fake: *kick*
16:01 < hopelessOwl> and congrats to the sunburn :p
16:01 * fake is deeply impressed by the working internet connection
16:02 < hopelessOwl> working after 2 days?
16:02 < fake> no, since we arrived
16:02 < hopelessOwl> O_o 
16:03 < fake> yeah, i looked that way, too
16:04 < hopelessOwl> ;) dammit... 
16:05 < hopelessOwl> Be-El: schlager? waaaaah. *kick*
16:06 < Be-El> hehe
16:06 < daja77> hopelessOwl: thought you like it
16:06 < Be-El> especially since owls got a very good sense of hearing ;-)
16:06 < daja77> gothic schlager, or so
16:06 < hopelessOwl> daja77: schlager??? 
16:07 < daja77> well we all get older ...
16:07 < Be-El> daja77: yeah, featuring stefan mross and the dark trumpet ;-)
16:07 < hopelessOwl> daja77: hmmm... 80ies... yes... but no "normal schlager" ... 
16:07 < daja77> Be-El: lol
16:07 < hopelessOwl> wuah... yes... and i see, that i have about 12 GB of gothic, metal, punk and so... 
16:08 * Be-El listens to VNV Nation - Joy
16:08 * hopelessOwl np subway to sally - boeses erwachen
16:08 * fake listens to Goethes Erben - Fleischschuld
16:09 < Be-El> .oO ( mv rock\ linux dark\linux
16:09 * rolla listens to Ministry Bad blood ;)
16:09 < Be-El> hehe
16:10 < Be-El> ok, if there should ever be a developer meeting, there'll be no problem with choosing the right music
16:10 < daja77> Be-El: do you come to dev meeting?
16:10 < hopelessOwl> hm. yeah... but clifford listens to different music afaik...
16:10 < Be-El> daja77: nope, no time :-(
16:11 < daja77> :-(
16:11 < fake> hopelessOwl: clifford listens to all kinds of music
16:12 < hopelessOwl> fake: really? thought mainly to techno or stuff like this?
16:12 < fake> hopelessOwl: mainly
16:13 < hopelessOwl> k ;)
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16:26 < fake> if esden shows up, please tell him i am in the bsd tent, the one on the left
16:26 < fake> where there is netbsd on it
16:26 < Be-El> anyone interested in fixing the kdemultimedia31 package ?
16:27 * fake off chilling
16:27 < fake> much too hot to work...
16:27 < daja77> netbsd rules ...
16:27 * daja77 hides
16:27 < Be-El> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=105761977009209&w=2
16:27 < daja77> fake: is hubert feyrer there?
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16:29 < rolla> grrr
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16:30 < daja77> for rolla this means hello ...
16:30 < rolla> :)
16:30 < rolla> daja77: do you know openldap?
16:30 < daja77> i tried it three years ago
16:31 < rolla> stupid thing has a max of 11 object to return
16:31 < daja77> hmm sorry can't help you there
16:31 < Nebukadneza> can anyone help me burning dvd's?
16:32 * daja77 notes that Nebukadneza wants to turn this chan into #gentoo
16:33 < Nebukadneza> why?
16:34 < rolla> ?
16:44 < hopelessOwl> daja77: ??
16:45 < daja77> join and you'll see
16:46 < hopelessOwl> waaaaaah!!! wtf!??? over 600 nicks in #gentoo 
16:46 < daja77> yeah and all asking stupid questions
16:47 < hopelessOwl> *g*
16:47 < daja77> esden showeed us that mess last weekend
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16:47 < hopelessOwl> hihi
16:47 < daja77> hi capchaos 
16:48 < hopelessOwl> moin cap
16:48 < capchaos> Hi, daja. Hi, owl.
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16:53 < Be-El> hi capchaos
16:53 < capchaos> Hi, Be-El.
16:54 < starlord> should stone(boot setup,lilo/grub) work from 2beta6?
16:55 < daja77> yes
16:55 < starlord> well not for me,
16:55 < daja77> you took drock?
16:55 < starlord> yep
16:56 < starlord> and choosed hmm,minimal(console) as target
16:56 < daja77> on some machines it doesn't work with drock, for some strange reason
16:56 < starlord> crap,then i need to download another iso
16:56 < daja77> generic should work better, don't shoot me if I am wrong
16:57 < starlord> but it doesnt work at console also,so this isnt stoned stone problem?
16:57 < starlord> but its lilo's?
16:57 < daja77> hmm maybe ncurses package didn't install?
16:59 < starlord> actually when i choose (Re-)install lilo,it shows like normally it should added rock,etc...,but it doesnt for some reason add it to MBR,and when i run lilo from command line it complains about the LBA32 line
17:00 < daja77> hmm dunoo, haven't used lilo for a long time ...
17:00 < starlord> hmm,what does that minimal contain?
17:00 < starlord> iso i mean
17:01 < daja77> can't tell, maybe someone else can
17:01 * daja77 has to leave
17:01 < hopelessOwl> <-- away
17:01 < hopelessOwl> bbl.cya
17:02 < starlord> found info from handbook already,no need
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17:42 < Aard> re
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18:12 < tsa> hi all.
18:12 < tsa> rxr: sysvinit 2.85
18:14 < tsa> ntp 4.1.2
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18:16 < blindcoder> hmm
18:16 < blindcoder> is there any known issue with linuxrc not running on certain hardware?
18:22 < Be-El> bbl
18:22 < blindcoder> *sigh*
18:23 * blindcoder away: Why ask if everyone ignores one anyway?
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18:27 < rolla> casue we don't like you
18:35 < tsa> xpdf 2.02pl1
18:35 < rolla> ?
18:37 < tsa> just randomly announcing new versions that should/might get updated
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19:03 < blindcoder> hmm..
19:03 < blindcoder> autoload_modules hangs on my laptop
19:04 < rolla> suck
19:05 < blindcoder> yes, indeed
19:13 < blindcoder> okay, commented it out in linuxrc.c, now trying again
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19:18 < JTBurn> re
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20:28 < rolla> re JTBurn 
20:28 < JTBurn> re
20:28 < JTBurn> :)
20:29 < JTBurn> me and my grilfriend are now going skating :) (wish us luck *g*)
20:29 < rolla> have fun
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20:54 < owl> hi
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21:07 < tsa> hm...
21:08 < tsa> strange.
21:08 < tsa> is there anything currently broken with the build scripts?
21:08 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p5089244E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:09 < tsa> hi ripclaw
21:09 < owl> tsa: why? do you get a endless-loop of [1] Building base/linux24 [2.4.21 2.0.0-rc1] ?
21:09 < netrunne1> rehi
21:09 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
21:10 < owl> or something similar with endless-loop?
21:10 < tsa> owl: no, i get .err's without error..
21:10 < owl> O_o
21:10 * owl just gets every time a [1]base/linux-building-until-user-aborts-the-build...
21:11 < tsa> hehe
21:11 < owl> don't laugh. not funny!
21:12 < ripclaw> hi tsa
21:13 < ripclaw> problems compiling estic-1.61, cant find symbol tgetnum in libraries
21:14 < tsa> estic?
21:17 < tsa> i don't see any estic package..
21:17 < ripclaw> www.prog-link.com/downloads/index.html
21:17 < ripclaw> estic is for programming  phone-PBX
21:17 < ripclaw> no package yet
21:17 < ripclaw> brb
21:20 < ripclaw> didnt work as expected
21:20 < ripclaw> i took the estic original package, which fails, the debian unstable 1.61 does compile for a while, but breaks at linking
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21:27 < ripclaw> .
21:27 < ripclaw> re
21:27 < tsa> re
21:27 < ripclaw> i took the estic original package, which fails, the debian unstable 1.61 does compile for a while, but breaks at linking
21:27 < tsa> with or withour xfree?
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21:28 < tsa> s/r/t/
21:28 < ripclaw> tsa  do you have an idea what to do if he complains about finding no tgetst symbol, but the libs are there and ldconfig was run ? without xfree
21:28 < ripclaw> i can upload a tarball, if you like.
21:28 < ripclaw> i already fixed the bytesex.h problem
21:29 < tsa> already got the source
21:29 < tsa> seems to be a problem with your curses library
21:29 < ripclaw> which - debian or original ?
21:29 < tsa> orig
21:30 < ripclaw> ok. 
21:30 < ripclaw> 1.61 or 1.60
21:30 < tsa> 160
21:31 < ripclaw> ack. does compile with your machine ?
21:31 < owl> http://www.dr-wo.de/schriften/feudalismus/stundenlohn.htm
21:31 < tsa> no, it doesn't
21:32 < ripclaw> if it complains about bytesex, s/bytesex/endian/
21:32 < ripclaw> try using the debian package sources, they have a central makefile etc.
21:33 * netrunner wants more beer
21:33 * ripclaw opens bottle and passes it on
21:33 < ripclaw> hmmm. its possible ldconfig didnt work correctly ?
21:34 * netrunner gets electro shock s out of his pc while dlicking beer out of int
21:34 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:35 < owl> hi blindcoder 
21:36 < blindcoder> hi owly
21:37 < ripclaw> hires
21:37 < ripclaw> hmmm. it looks weird.
21:44 * blindcoder --> bed. g'night
21:45 < ripclaw> n8
21:45 < tsa> cu ripclaw
21:56 < tsa> GRMPF.
21:56 < tsa> damn gcc.
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22:01 * tsa trying cross-build.
22:11 < owl> tsa: ? why gcc?
22:12 < tsa> owl: 1-gcc3.err
22:12 < tsa> without any obvious error.
22:12 < Nebukadneza> #animeone auf irc.mircx.com <-- HOLY Shit!!!
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22:17 < tsa> np: Depeche Mode - Puppets
22:18 < rolla> np: Ned's Atomic Distbin - Legoland
22:20 < owl> np: in extremo - omina sol temperat
22:20 < tsa> uh
22:21 < tsa> mittelalterliches gekreische? ;)
22:22 < owl> yeah. why? ;)
22:27 < Nebukadneza> owl: hai
22:28 < Nebukadneza> kumpel von hir hört das andauernd ... is net schlecht find i
22:28 < owl> hi Nebukadneza. ack. it depends on mood. but it's cool imho
22:29 < Nebukadneza> löl
22:29 < Nebukadneza> all forgot language :9
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22:30 < owl> yeah
22:31 < Aard> hi owl 
22:33 < owl> hi Aard 
22:33 < Aard> bbl
22:34 < esden> hi all
22:34 < owl> hi esden 
22:37 < esden> hi owl 
22:38 < esden> ahh is it nice to have the right driver for the wlan card ;)
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22:39 < daja77> re
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22:44 < netrunner> hi esden :)
22:44 < netrunner> esden: it's so warm here, I do not want to go out again :)
22:44 < daja77> huhu campers
22:44 < netrunner> hi daja77 
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22:45 < daja77> may he rest in peace ...
22:45 < daja77> do they have a fire?
22:46 < owl> .oO( daja77 is in evil mood again...)
22:46 < daja77> hm?
22:47 < owl> hm. nothing... 
22:47 < daja77> ic
22:47 < daja77> evil mode again, sounds good to me
22:48 < owl> hmm. yes...
22:48 < daja77> phear me!
22:48 < daja77> :)
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22:49 * daja77 just don't like lusers hanging around here ...
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22:49 < owl> why?
22:49 < daja77> why?!
22:50 < owl> yes... why
22:50 < daja77> ahem cos i don't like lusers everywhere ...
22:51 < owl> hmm. k. 
22:52 < daja77> ok in #gentoo they don't disturb me ...
22:53 < daja77> owl: are we alone here?
22:54 < fake> lsno
22:54 < daja77> oh hi fake, how are you at the camp?
22:55 < owl> hi fake 
22:55 * netrunner wants to sleep for some time. beer always makes netrunner tired. and we bought 20l of it
22:56 < daja77> haha säufer!
22:56 < netrunner> ah - anyway my lap is running out of power ... cu later
22:56 < daja77> no wonder when you come with esden *ggg*
22:56 < daja77> cu netrunner 
23:07 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,260178,00.html
23:09 < esden> netrunner: move your ass to the bsd tent ;)
23:10 < esden> argh ... he is sleeping ..
23:11 < daja77> cu later
23:21 * daja77 back
23:21 < daja77> damn mysql
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23:42 < jsaw> re
23:42 < jsaw> hi all
23:43 < daja77> huhu jsaw 
23:44 < jsaw> hi daja77. what's going on?
23:44 * daja77 watching tv
23:45 < jsaw> I just watched Andromeda, but now /me back @ work
23:46 < daja77> was it good?
23:46 < jsaw> the 1st yes, the 2nd one "an den Haaren herbeigezogen"
23:46 < daja77> 2nd one is old stuff anyway
23:47 < jsaw> yeah, but I was actually fixing rock packages...
23:48 < daja77> good, good
23:48 < jsaw> :)
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