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00:21 < Aard> btw, camp pictures:
00:21 < Aard> http://81.161.142.242/ccc/
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00:44 < Be-El> und ab ins bett.....
00:45 < owl> gn8 Be-El 
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02:29 < rolla> re
02:36 < n00kie> wb rolla
02:39 < rolla> thanks
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02:42 < jsaw> ?
02:42 < rolla> re jsaw
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02:44 < jsaw> hi rolla 
02:44 < jsaw> freenode spam...
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02:53 < rolla> ?
02:53 < rolla> freenode
02:54 < Nebukadneza> rolla: hum?
02:54 < rolla> 19:48 < jsaw> freenode spam...
03:01 < jsaw> I meant all these rehubbing stuff going on due to a lost? hub in EU...
03:01 < rolla> ah
03:01 < jsaw> which causes a lot of uninteresting messages on the screen...
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04:27 < mnemoc> re
04:27 < mnemoc> rolla: ping
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05:39 < cytrinox__> guten morgen
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06:24 < n00kie> Hu cytrinox 
06:49 < blindcoder> moin moin
07:09 < blindcoder> hmm... that would be an idea...
07:09 < blindcoder> booting the machine via nfs on root... *think*
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07:26 < n00kie> blindcoder: ?
07:26 < n00kie> Talking to ghosts? 
07:26 < n00kie> o_O
07:28 < blindcoder> n00kie: well, since it's mostly the same if I talk when nobodys here or if there's somebody here...
07:29 < blindcoder> the number of answers is mostly the same
07:29 < blindcoder> unfortunately, the idea I had doesn't work, because the kernel itself doesn't recognise my PCMCIA-NIC
07:29 < blindcoder> So I have to find another solution
07:30 < blindcoder> but before that, I'll have breakfast
07:30 < n00kie> Enjoy it. :)
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07:41 < blindcoder> thanks, Inow do so ^^
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08:45 < owl> moin
08:45 < blindcoder> moin moin
08:45 < Aard> hi euleken
08:45 < owl> == 02:56:24 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21 2.0.0-rc1].
08:45 < owl> == 08/08/03 08:17:19 =[1]=> Finished building package linux24.
08:45 < blindcoder> moin Aard 
08:45 < blindcoder> == 07:58:21 =[9]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.8 2.0.0-rc1].
08:45 < blindcoder> X shit itslef yesterday >_<
08:45 < owl> ^^^^^^ wtf is _THAT_  a kernel needs about 5 hours to compile? !!!!!
08:45 < owl> hi Aard 
08:45 < blindcoder> owl: what machine do you have?
08:46 < owl> blindcoder: my pentium4, 1.8 ghz
08:46 < owl> 512 mb ram and so...
08:46 < blindcoder> strange...
08:46 < blindcoder> hard disk in PIO or something?
08:47 < owl> dunno?
08:47 < owl> how do i see it?
08:47 < blindcoder> it's listed in /var/log/boot.msg
08:47 < blindcoder> or boot.log
08:47 < blindcoder> I always confuse hthose names
08:48 < owl> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
08:49 < blindcoder> there you go
08:49 < owl> hm?
08:50 < blindcoder> hm... seems like it's only on the console, not in the log...
09:33 < blindcoder> WTF?
09:33 < owl> hm?
09:34 < blindcoder> why does XFree want to open an IPv6 Connection????
09:34 < blindcoder> socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0)        = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT (Address family not supported by protocol)
09:34 < blindcoder> (strace output)
09:34 < owl> to nsa.amiland.net?
09:35 < blindcoder> to a ssh-forwarded X-Server
09:35 < owl> ah so
09:35 < blindcoder> ssh -XCv scavenger.homeip.net
09:35 < blindcoder> and then
09:35 < blindcoder> licq -p qt-gui
09:35 < blindcoder> strace that and you get that line above there
09:37 < blindcoder> I DON'T EVEN HAVE IPV6 IN MY KERNEL  CONFIG!
09:37 < owl> *g* relax
09:37 < blindcoder> NO I WON'T RELAX
09:38 < owl> why not?
09:38 < blindcoder> In the last few days ROCK has given me nothing but problems
09:38 < owl> bad luck
09:38 < Aard> blindcoder: mayber glibc-problem? had some strange gllibc-stuff yesterday while testing my ircbot
09:38 < blindcoder> uninstallable laptops, X fucking up, /etc/modules.conf overwritten by some flist file...
09:39 < blindcoder> Aard: it worked just a few days age (yesterday!)
09:40 < owl> blindcoder: www.linuxfromscratch.org ... solution for your rock-problems :p
09:41 < blindcoder> I don't want to reinstall my machine
09:41 < blindcoder> I want my machine to WORK AGAIN
09:42 < owl> .oO( never touch a rinning system )
09:42 < blindcoder> I FUCKING DID NOT TOUCH IT!
09:42 < owl> but?
09:43 < owl> what then?
09:43 < blindcoder> If I knew I'd be happy!
09:43 < blindcoder> Yesterday I came home from work, wanted to run X and it didn't work anymore
09:43 < owl> which error?
09:43 < blindcoder> then I found that /etc/modules.conf was overwritten with some flist-file
09:44 < blindcoder> Couldn't initialize nvidia  kernel modules
09:45 < owl> which entries where added to modules.conf, or not?
09:48 < blindcoder> <md5sum> <path/to/filename>
09:49 < blindcoder> and that a few dozen times
09:49 < owl> shit
09:49 < blindcoder> that WAS the /etc/modules.conf
09:49 < blindcoder> there was nothing else in there
09:49 < owl> yes... i meant before..
09:51 < blindcoder> and now Xlibs want to connect to a non-existent ipv6 protocol
09:51 < owl> hmhm
09:51 < blindcoder> trying to compile ipv6 gives me a ton of unresolved symbols
10:05 < blindcoder> hmm
10:06 < blindcoder> seems like it's a bug i the pre-releases that ROCK uses *cry*
10:09 < blindcoder> pre-releases and why they're a bad idea in a stable system
10:09 < blindcoder> (Auther: blindCoder)
10:11 < blindcoder> should I or should I not?
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10:17 < blindcoder> I still wonder when they will throw me out of the Mailing-Lists and the IRC-Channel
10:20 < owl> y?
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10:21 < blindcoder> owl: let's say I... disagree... with the decisino makers on a few points
10:21 < blindcoder> for example I don't like pre-releases in a "stable"-tree
10:22 < owl> and? everybody is allowed to say his/her opinion
10:23 < starlord> is there easy way to build all of the kde31 repository without giving eachtime package names?
10:23 < starlord> packages from kde31 repository i mean
10:26 < blindcoder> owl: well... rene is quite frank when telling his opinion... as am I... but I get heated up quickly... and that's not okay >_<
10:27 < owl> hmm. k. 
10:27 < owl> hm. k. sdjflsajfl
10:27 < owl> aaaargh. stupid patch cable
10:31 * owl np: nine inch nails - hurt
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11:04 < owl> HOLY SHIT!!!!!
11:13 < fake> hm?
11:14 < owl> a fscked up pin of my fscked up notebook is gone...
11:14 < owl> (no, i'm not angry....!!!)
11:15 < fake> oh
11:15 < owl> yes... or "argh" fits even more...
11:17 * fake making coffee
11:18 < owl> fake: give me a cup, please, too. thx.
11:32 < fake> mkay
11:33 < owl> thx. *schluerf*
11:42 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
11:43 < blindcoder> ah , finally a working X-Forward gain
11:46 < owl> muhahahaha. what a ironie... the one gets his problems solved, the other gets problems. *ARGH*
11:46 < blindcoder> owl: what's the problem?
11:47 < owl> blindcoder: a fscking pin of my even more fscked notebook seems to be gone... (at least i don't see it anymore... just seeing a place where it should be...)
11:48 < owl> at least i solved my "build is so fscking slow-problems" haha
11:49 < blindcoder> hmm I had that with my /home disk
11:50 < owl> why?
11:54 * owl starting terror-pinging blindcoder 
11:56 < owl> *rotfl* i'm collecting asus-hardware... the guys sent me a new mouse, new handbooks and so... 
12:01 < blindcoder> owl: pressed the cable too hard...
12:01 < blindcoder> and shoved the pin INTO the had disk
12:01 < owl> ah so... this... with broken pins...
12:01 < blindcoder> I took an old HD, ripped out a pin, shoved it into the cable and "connected" the pin again this way :)
12:02 < blindcoder> since then the HD has a label "handle with care"
12:02 < owl> i c.
12:04 < owl> someone interested in a nero5 (5.5.9.2 + asusdvd) to buy? ;ppp
12:06 < blindcoder> not really
12:07 < owl> what a pity
12:21 < owl> <-- off
12:21 < owl> bbl
12:21 < blindcoder> baba
12:22 < Aard> blindcoder: hey, somebody told me nero works with wine. he was happy to have a `usable' cd burning tool. don't know why getting nero to ork under wine is easier than using cdrecord..
12:25 < blindcoder> I have written myself a handful of aliases to easily create and burn CDs and DVDs
12:26 < blindcoder> iso_on_the_fly <files> # burn files onto CD in iso9660
12:26 < blindcoder> iso_burn <imagefile> # burn iso-filo onto CD
12:26 < blindcoder> and a few others I don't currently remember ^^
12:26 < blindcoder> but if he's looking for a good(!) frontend, point him to arson
12:27 < blindcoder> the easiest and best tool for writing and ripping CDs (audio CDs are ripped, and checked against freeDB for ID3-Tags)
12:27 < blindcoder> unfortunatiely, it uses KDE
12:30 < blindcoder> *yawns*
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12:39 < fake> hm...
12:40 < blindcoder> hmhm?
12:41 < fake> hm.
12:44 * blindcoder giving daMani a kick and feeling better.
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13:54 < tsa> hi all
13:55 < blindcoder> moin moin
13:56 < fake> hi tsa!
14:02 < JTBurn> did anybody know a good site for installing and handling an IDS ?
14:03 < tsa> www.snort.org?
14:07 * daja77 waves
14:09 < JTBurn> big thx tsa :)
14:12 * blindcoder waves back
14:12 * daja77 now packing stuff
14:12 < daja77> hi blindcoder 
14:12 < blindcoder> damn, I'm so fucking sleepy >_<
14:12 * daja77 off to Halle/Saale later this day
14:13 < blindcoder> and freezing to death >_<
14:13 < daja77> I'll be at a wedding tomorrow ...
14:13 < blindcoder> daja77: oh, my condolences for getting married...
14:13 < daja77> lol no not me :)
14:13 < blindcoder> oh, okay then :-){
14:14 < daja77> staying over night at my grandma's ...
14:14 * netrunne1 sneezes out loudly.
14:14 < daja77> ieehh get a handkerchief you pig *gggg*
14:15 < blindcoder> anyone injured?
14:16 * blindcoder finally got his GPS running yesterday :)
14:16 < blindcoder> although ot on the laptop
14:16 < daja77> what i basically wanted to tell, /me is without inet connection until sunday evening
14:16 < daja77> so enjoy
14:17 * blindcoder getting out Party-Tools :D
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14:17 < blindcoder> netrunner: how's your GPS doing?
14:17 < daja77> scripts/Party-Tools *ggg*
14:17 < blindcoder> hehe :)
14:17 < netrunner> blindcoder: sweating in the cupboard of my camper
14:18 < blindcoder> netrunner: I call that melting :D
14:18 < daja77> ok cu, if anyone asks for me tell them to read the logs ;-)
14:18 < blindcoder> daja77: okay.
14:19 < blindcoder> netrunner: which software are you running it on+?
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14:24 < knoti> rehi
14:25 * blindcoder now convincing the last sane part of my mind that the things I'm curently doing are not totally moronic...
14:25 < netrunner> blindcoder: gpsdrive
14:26 < netrunner> bibut remember to download the maps before you go on track :)
14:26 < owl> *GNARF*
14:26 < owl> rehi
14:27 < blindcoder> netrunner: already done :)
14:27 < blindcoder> owl: GUH-Narf
14:27 < blindcoder> netrunner: I just thought that there are other good programs out there
14:28 < owl> <-- sitting in fron of an windows XP notebook and getting eye-cancer
14:35 < knoti> owl: Are you hypersensitive?
14:35 < knoti> owl: I thought a normal notebook would have an lowemission lcd monitor *g*?
14:35 < owl> knoti: but it's WINDOZE on it...
14:35 < rolla> it does
14:36 < owl> (stilll... )
14:36 < rolla> == 08:18:27 =[9]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.8 2.0.0-rc1].
14:36 < owl> rolla: minimal_xfree target?
14:39 < blindcoder> xfree is broken in ROCK
14:40 < blindcoder> well, xfree pre-release is broken, so it's not really ROCK's fault
14:43 < owl> where is a minimal-target-iso?
14:45 < owl> to download...
14:45 < blindcoder> iso.rocklinux.de
14:46 < owl> nah... doesn't look so...
14:46 < blindcoder> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/stable/2.0.0-beta6/minimal/
14:47 < blindcoder> and I thought, _I_ had the 'blind' in the name...
14:48 < owl> *cough* thx
14:48 < blindcoder> np
14:49 < blindcoder> rolla: I hope you have ipv6 support in your kernel and don't plan to remove it...
14:49 < owl> <-- having breakfast.
14:50 < blindcoder> an guadn
14:50 < owl> thx
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15:01 < rolla> blindcoder: ?
15:02 < blindcoder> rolla: !
15:02 < blindcoder> rolla: the current pre-release as shipped with ROCK is broken and can't do any X-Forward without IPv6
15:03 < rolla> was
15:03 < blindcoder> the current pre-release of XFree86 as shipped with ROCK is broken and can't do any X-Forward without IPv6
15:04 < rolla> :(
15:04 < blindcoder> see also my Mail to the mailing-list "Pre-Releases and why they are a bad idea in a stable system"
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15:09 < hopelessOwl> remoin...
15:11 < blindcoder> wb
15:12 < hopelessOwl> thx..
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15:14 < rolla> blindcoder: I lost that battle with having 2.5 kernel in the stable release
15:15 < blindcoder> rolla: well, with ARM we will have yet another kernel tree in ROCK
15:15 < blindcoder> because linus tree never compiled on ARM (he said so himself)
15:16 < rolla> :)
15:16 < rolla> crazy
15:16 < blindcoder> indeed...
15:17 < rolla> hey find a package that in alpha state that is fine we'll add it ot the stable rock release
15:17 < rolla> that seems to be the rock motto these days
15:18 < hopelessOwl> yeah... or gcc-3.3
15:20 < hopelessOwl> <-- off for a while
15:22 < tsa> hehe
15:23 < blindcoder> I already said my opinion on that and rene decided against it. He's the maintainer.
15:24 < rolla> yup
15:24 < netrunner> *sweat*
15:25 < blindcoder> *freeze*
15:27 < blindcoder> Somehow I'm looking forward to DevMeeting...
15:28 * netrunner hopes it is cooler there
15:28 < blindcoder> I have a few... ideas that won't hit immediate acceptance
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15:31 * blindcoder looking forward to leaving work in 90 minutes... finally I can take off the "Pullover"
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16:30 < rolla> owl: ?
16:30 < hopelessOwl> rolla: ?
16:32 < rolla> I had no errors on that build
16:32 < hopelessOwl> oki. kewl. thx
16:32 < rolla> np
16:33 < rolla> I didn't build emacs ;)
16:33 < blindcoder>  
16:33 * blindcoder starts crying
16:33 < hopelessOwl> on which machine did you compile? O_o
16:33 < rolla> my athlon
16:33 < hopelessOwl> hehe :p
16:33 < rolla> blindcoder: emacs is useless
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16:33 < hopelessOwl> blindcoder: why?
16:33 < hopelessOwl> rolla: so? how many mhz?
16:33 < blindcoder> rolla: I know, I cried because of a Call I just had ._<
16:34 < rolla> what was the call
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16:34 < rolla> hopelessOwl: 2500+ 1.8GHz 
16:34 < blindcoder> Customer: "Server xyz is unreachable." - I: "I just checked its page, it says the system is currently being repaired and will be back on Monday." - C: "Iknow what it says on the site, but I need that system now and I watn it to work." - I "..."
16:35 < rolla> suck
16:35 < hopelessOwl> bwahaha :-( *crying too*
16:35 < rolla> ?
16:35 < hopelessOwl> rolla: 2500 + 1.8ghz --> *crying*
16:36 < rolla> oh
16:36 < blindcoder> anotherclassic: "I can't access the folder xyz! Please cal me! Urgent!!!" (TroubleTicket, came in: 12:55)
16:36 < blindcoder> I call customer, co-worker accepts call and tells me that the one opening the ticket has already gone home (13:00 !!)
16:37 < rolla> delete call say guess it wasn't that important
16:37 < blindcoder> yeah...
16:56 * blindcoder going home
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17:03 < tsa> cu
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17:11 * A-Tui is away: Belsen was a Gas
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18:14 < tsa> re
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18:42 < tsa> hm..
18:42 < tsa> wtf is xfind.sh?
18:46 < tsa> hm..
18:46 < tsa> unlike the comment in it, it seems to be painfully slow.
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19:04 < tsa> *GRR*
19:05 < tsa> rxr?
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19:12 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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19:28 < starlord> should the nvidia package work?
19:28 < blindcoder> yes
19:29 < starlord> for me it doesnt,for somereason
19:29 < blindcoder> you did do cd /usr/src/nvidia && ./install.sh
19:30 < blindcoder> didn't you?
19:30 < starlord> ah,i thought the build-pkg will do that,no i didnt
19:30 < blindcoder> no, like winex, it's just an installer
19:30 < starlord> ok,thanks
19:31 < starlord> anyideas how to get java(SDK) working?
19:33 < starlord> and does Update-Src fetch only stable or dev too?
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19:34 < tsa> Update-Src is deprecated.
19:34 < starlord> and ready made script that rebuild only the packages i have installed? hmm,then what should i use for update?
19:40 < tsa> hm...i don't know if Update-System currently works.
19:41 < tsa> at least the current subversion tree seems to be pretty broken.
19:41 < starlord> that's the one that rebuild's packages i have installed,but which is that updates package files,scripts,etc...
19:41 < starlord> err,i mean downloads new scripts,etc...
19:50 < tsa> ah, i see.
19:51 < tsa> get the complete sources once with "svn co svn://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/trunk"
19:51 < tsa> after that, you can easily update with just "svn up"
19:51 < tsa> (requires to have subversion installed, obviously)
19:52 < starlord> yep,i have,thanks for the command
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19:57 < netrunner> hacker jeopardy at tent b
20:04 < blindcoder> netrunner: good luck :D
20:12 < netrunner> blindcoder: just for a test, can you reach http://rocklinux.camp.ccc.de?
20:12 < blindcoder> netrunner: yes
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20:15 < netrunner> blindcoder: so start downloading, I wrote a nice ftplist where you can browse through all ftps :)
20:15 < blindcoder> netrunner: I'm curretnly downloading minimal-iso from iso.rocklinux.de
20:16 < blindcoder> netrunner: cause my own iso don't work on my laptop (see Mailinglist)
20:18 < tsa> aah!
20:18 < tsa> better now.
20:19 < blindcoder> ?
20:19 < blindcoder> found a lonely A/C?
20:19 < tsa> no.
20:19 < tsa> just found out how to get old revisions from svn
20:19 < blindcoder> oh
20:19 < tsa> because of current build scripts being broken.
20:21 < hopelessOwl> rehi
20:22 < hopelessOwl> broken build-scripts? O_o what now?
20:22 < blindcoder> xfind.sh
20:23 < blindcoder> 20MB to go
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20:40 < tsa> hopelessOwl: some kind of "speed optmisation" for the build scripts that doesn't work
20:42 < hopelessOwl> tsa: h so... k.
20:44 < hopelessOwl> #+
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20:55 < rolla> yawn
20:56 * blindcoder rebuilding bootdisk-target for i386
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21:13 < hopelessOwl> wb aszlig 
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22:44 < Be-El> hi ppl
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22:53 < tcr> moin all!
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23:07 < Be-El> moin tcr
23:08 < tsa> cu all.
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