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00:18 < netrunner> nobody here? you are bizarr.
00:19 < dennis> just me ;)
00:19 < netrunner> at least :)
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00:44 < mistik1> lets test that thoery
00:45 < mistik1> oops
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00:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: no, YOU are bizarre :D
00:52 < blindcoder> good night everyone!
00:52 < netrunner> n8 blindy
00:53 * netrunner stops watching alien4 at night.
01:06 < Mike1> n8 blindy
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01:17 < rolla> re Mike1 
01:18 < Mike1> rolla: !! finally, query
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03:35 < fake> buh
03:36 < Mike1> *yawn*
03:44 < SMP> d'uh
03:44 < Mike1> hi SMP 
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04:01 < Mike1> bbl
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08:21 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
09:36 < fake> fsck
09:36 < blindcoder> what?
09:36 < fake> nothing...
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09:36 < owl> oh goth!!! what a crappy /etc!!!
09:36 < owl> moin
09:36 < blindcoder> and what are you doing awake so early?
09:36 < blindcoder> moin moin owl
09:37 < owl> /etc/profile
09:37 < owl> /etc/dircolors
09:37 < owl> /etc/profile.d/profile
09:37 < owl> /etc/resolv.conf
09:37 < owl> -rw----------
09:37 < owl> wtf ?!!! who screwed it up?!!!
09:37 < blindcoder> hrm
09:38 < owl> hrm? why hrm?
09:38 < blindcoder> just so
09:38 < fake> blindcoder: guess...
09:39 < owl> and: could you explain me, why rene doesn't want at least _one_ statically linked shell???
09:39 < fake> owl: you weren't in the 7:46 train today, were you?
09:39 < owl> fake: i was. why?
09:39 < blindcoder> fake: you haven't slept at all :D
09:39 < fake> owl: he didn't say that, and besides, pdksh is linked statically
09:39 < fake> blindcoder: no, i'm at work
09:39 < owl> pdksh??? 
09:39 < blindcoder> heh, I overslept completely for work today
09:40 < fake> owl: iirc. i was in the train, but i didn't see you
09:40 < fake> blindcoder: daja77 and me got to my house at about 3:30...
09:40 < owl> fake: where in the train? /me was in the last "nichtraucherabteil"
09:40 < blindcoder> fake: hrm... I was at home around 01:00
09:43 < owl> wow! i'm shocked! windows eats my memory stick without needing a reboot and/or without a bluescreen... 8th weltwunder
09:53 < fake> Rock Linux PS2 port is coming... http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/bo-16.08.03-001/
09:54 < fake> owl: last smoker part...
10:04 < owl> fake: hm. k. then someone seems to be blind *starring at fake * :p
10:57 < owl> 10:55 <owl> man $package
10:57 < owl> 10:55 <owl> "groff: can't find 'DESC' file
10:57 < owl> 10:55 <owl> groff: fatal error: invalid device ascii"
10:57 < owl> someone could explain me what _that_ is now?
10:59 < owl> http://www.imis.mu-luebeck.de/milde/personal/
10:59 < owl> and how to solve it maybe? does it occur on non-minimal-XFree-builds, too?
11:00 < owl> or is it a generic groff-problem, which is encountered by config-files of groff?
11:08 < fake> no idea...
11:09 < owl> hm. dammit :-(
11:09 < owl> somewhere a quite new iso available? i wanna kill my company and download it... for testing and so... :p
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11:25 < owl> hi n00kie 
11:25 < n00kie> Hi owl :)
11:34 < blindcoder> moin n00kie 
11:35 < n00kie> Hi Blindy :)
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11:56 * fake running wild
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11:58 < owl> O_o
11:59 < n00kie> owl: ?
12:00 < owl> n00kie: ?
12:00 < blindcoder> fake: ?
12:00 < n00kie> owl | O_o
12:00 < owl> hmhm
12:04 < owl> .oO("ausbildung" is so senseless *GNARF*)
12:05 < n00kie> nonsense :)
12:06 < owl> hmm. whatever. i'm even too dumb to speak and/or write english
12:06 < n00kie> my machine is also called nonsense
12:07 < owl> hmhm.k.
12:08 < blindcoder> I prefer my crazyhorse and my Ryo-Ohki :D
12:09 < owl> hm. 
12:11 < n00kie> my testmachine is called "pinky" and the other machine "nirvana" :)
12:12 < blindcoder> PHKL :D
12:12 < blindcoder> Pink Hello Kitty Laptop :D
12:13 < n00kie> lol
12:13 < blindcoder> http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/
12:13 < blindcoder> I'm not joking
12:13 < owl> k0y0r0, disaster, erebos, ra, ancoras, morpheus and my bf's machine: "thor"
12:14 < blindcoder> but Ryo-Ohki is cute!
12:15 < n00kie> who is this?
12:15 < blindcoder> Ryo-Ohki? mom
12:15 < blindcoder> http://images.google.com/images?q=Ryo-Ohki
12:15 < blindcoder> that is Ryo-Ohki ^^
12:16 < n00kie> cute dog :)
12:16 < n00kie> What about a "bpsl"?
12:16 < blindcoder> hoe?
12:16 < n00kie> "Blue Papasmurf Laptop" :)
12:16 < blindcoder> ehm...
12:17 < blindcoder> clifford already noted that esden is smurfig... we should leave the smurfing up to him m:D
12:17 < n00kie> esden smurf
12:17 < n00kie> :)
12:35 * fake chatting with ripclaw
12:45 < daja77> hi fake
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12:47 < blindcoder> hehe
12:47 < blindcoder> nothing like lovely co-workers :D
12:47 < daja77> huhu blindy
12:47 < blindcoder> hi daja77, long time no see :-)
12:48 < daja77> hehe
12:48 < blindcoder> "Sagt mal, ihr nehmt doch alle Drogen." -- lovely co-worker from the Hardware-Department, currently on phone :D
12:48 < daja77> we no, who?
12:48 < daja77> :)
12:49 < blindcoder> boss is in vacation
12:49 < blindcoder> second boss is mountain climbing
12:50 < blindcoder> and third boss is having lunch :D
12:50 < blindcoder> so right now the decisions are based on common sense :D
12:50 < daja77> lol
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12:52 < owl> http://www.google.de/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=groff%3A+can%27t+find+%60DESC%27+file+groff%3Afatal+error%3A+invalid+device+%60ascii%27
12:52 < owl> someone has this problem??? might someone wants to verify...?
12:53 < blindcoder> no, I haven't
12:53 < owl> blindcoder: on what system?
12:54 < owl> rev...?
12:54 < fake> http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
12:54 < blindcoder> owl: pre-beta4
12:54 < owl> blindcoder: there i had it not, too...
12:54 < blindcoder> neither on rev 930-bc
12:55 < owl> i speak about rev > 1020
12:55 < fake> ripclaw screwed up completely. he just told me he might jon the developer meeting on thursday if someone can drive him...
12:56 < owl> (1012 it was i guess, when it worked here, too... beta6 worked, too... but rev1044 gives me errors)
12:56 < owl> O_o 
12:56 < fake> man was updated
12:56 < fake> to 1.5m
12:56 < fake> in rev. 1100
12:56 < owl> hm... rev > 1100
12:56 < owl> aeh. <
12:57 < daja77> fake: the dev meeting is over, no?
12:57 < fake> daja77: i guess so ;)
12:59 < blindcoder> ripclaw:~# ./configure: clock skew detected. Taking countermeasures.
13:00 < daja77> hehehe
13:04 < daja77> cu later
13:05 < fake> cya, daja
13:05 < owl> O_o natural selection in our company... dying members of $company by accident... 
13:05 < owl> d'ouh
13:09 < blindcoder> hrm?
13:10 < owl> blindcoder: one of our project managers died during an accident with "motorrad"
13:11 < blindcoder> hmm... manager kills himself, DARWIN-Award granted.
13:11 < owl> O_o
13:11 < blindcoder> D'OUH!
13:11 < blindcoder> SIMON! COME HERE SO I CCAN KILL YOU!
13:11 < blindcoder> cp $i /tmp/replace_file
13:11 < blindcoder> echo /tmp/replace_file | sed 's/$SEARCHSTRING/$REPLACESTRING/g' > $i
13:11 < blindcoder> rm /tmp/replace_file.txt
13:12 < blindcoder> and he wonders why this does not work.... *GRAH*
13:16 < owl> *yawn* i'm so bored...
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13:37 < tcr> moin all
13:38 < owl> hi Nebukadneza 
13:38 < blindcoder> I love the work-morale at Siemens :D
13:39 < tcr> So?
13:39 < Nebukadneza> hi owl
13:39 < blindcoder> You write the "Task" onto a piec of paper and throw it to your neighbour.
13:39 < blindcoder> If he throws it back at you, then throw it to the next one
13:39 < blindcoder> Repeat as necessary :D
13:40 < n00kie> Err, I need a bigger hdd :(
13:40 < tcr> That's enormously productive
13:40 < tcr> I may need a new one
13:40 < tcr> cuz my may be fucked up
13:40 < blindcoder> tcr: -ure, it frees up time for IRC and News :D
13:43 < owl> fsck! wtf is wron with this irssi... and screen?!!!!
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13:45 < esden> hi all
13:45 < owl> rehi
13:45 < blindcoder> esden: moin moin
13:45 < esden> blindcoder: why am I smurfing?
13:45 < blindcoder> esden: I think I have an idea for the duplicate file download-thing... but I don't know if it's "nice"
13:45 < esden> and what does it mean?
13:46 < blindcoder> esden: ask clifford :-)
13:46 < esden> he does not know what smurfing means ... 
13:46 < esden> perhups he was stoned as he said that ;)
13:47 < blindcoder> esden: I don't think so... but okay... wanna hear my idea? or do I have to force it unto you?
13:47 < esden> duplicate downoad thing?
13:48 < esden> you should first describe what you mean with it ...
13:48 < blindcoder> yes... how to solve it that files don't have to be downloaded twice
13:48 < esden> in which cases is it a problem?
13:49 < blindcoder> it's not a 'problem' but it's was something to be solved IIRC
13:50 < owl> downloading twice as in downloading on two different computers or downloading twice, when broken or so...?
13:50 < esden> humm ... task # ?
13:50 < blindcoder> owl: downloading twice as in downloading the same file twice on one machine in two different packages
13:51 < esden> I thought that the problem to be solved was to make the downloads of files _in_ a package conditional ...
13:51 < esden> that is what I remember
13:51 < esden> ahh ... ok
13:51 < esden> there are somewhere such files
13:51 < n00kie> hey esden smurf 8)
13:51 < esden> the solution if you ask me is to patch ./scripts/Download
13:51 < blindcoder> 84
13:52 < esden> that when it is creating the download list it removes duplicates ...
13:52 < blindcoder> esden: yes, and I have an idea for that
13:52 < esden> n00kie: hi ...
13:52 < blindcoder> in fact, I have two ideas.
13:52 < esden> n00kie: please explain me why I am a smurf
13:52 < esden> blindcoder: ok ... tell me your ideas
13:52 < blindcoder> although it's marked as won't implement, I think I have some nice ideas for it...
13:53 < n00kie> esden: cuz blindcoder said it (-;
13:55 < tcr> Fuck
13:56 < tcr> Why the heck does the kernel keep on assigning DMA to ide0 and ide1, although I disabled it in BIOS as well as pass ide{1,0}=noprobe,nodma to the kernel
13:58 < tcr> blindcoder: what's your idea?
13:58 < blindcoder> tcr: something with symlinks, a dozen download[A-Z] dirs and a voodoo doll :-)
13:58 < blindcoder> currently discussing it with esden
14:00 < tcr> Why so complicated? Just spend a new pkg for it, and mark the other package dependant on it
14:00 < blindcoder> tcr: but then I want a new category and repository for that one!
14:01 < blindcoder> and only for that.
14:01 < blindcoder> something like everythingdependsonme/andthesystemwontworkwithoutme
14:02 < tcr> Why?
14:04 < blindcoder> because it's funny :-)
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14:05 < tcr> Is this only an issue with wxpython and wxwindows?
14:06 < blindcoder> atm yes
14:06 < dreamind> Hi
14:06 < tcr> wxpython shouldn't be an own package anyway
14:06 < tcr> it should be an Option in scripts/Config  la "[ ] Only build wxpython"
14:07 < blindcoder> who was it that complained about too many USEIT-Vars?
14:08 < tcr> I'll suggest that to tsa. Now I'm away
14:08 < blindcoder> hmm.... okay
14:12 < esden> ahh I really like that bugtracking system ... 
14:16 < owl> hrm. why did rxr not apply my patch, btw? (minimal_Xfree)
14:19 < blindcoder> rxr is quite busy at the moment
14:19 < owl> why?
14:20 < n00kie> He has to do some "dr. arbeiten" for uni
14:20 < n00kie> or so
14:20 < esden> ok ... bug #38 fix sent
14:22 < owl> i c...
14:26 < blindcoder> okay, now I have a flyspray account, too :-)
14:31 < esden> blindcoder: good ...
14:31 < esden> now you can grab some work ;)
14:32 < owl> omfg! i guess the world will be destroyed today... 
14:32 * -> esden writing now the dietlibc page ...
14:32 < esden> owl: ?
14:32 < blindcoder> http://arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/03q2/nigerian-sco.html
14:32 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
14:35 < owl> esden: "es regnet wie aus kuebeln"
14:36 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,261608,00.html
14:36 < blindcoder> owl: here in Sendling it's just "a bit" windy...
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14:36 < rolla> re
14:36 < owl> blindcoder: O_o here it's dark and raining and has thunder
14:36 < blindcoder> hi th
14:37 < owl> hi th 
14:37 < blindcoder> hi rolla 
14:37 < owl> hi rolla 
14:38 < blindcoder> esden: where can I see if a task is 2.0 or 2.1?
14:39 < th> hi there
14:40 < esden> blindcoder: there is some flag for that ...
14:40 < esden> donno where ... mom
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14:41 < esden> blindcoder: there is a flag called "To be done by:" in the detiled description ...
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14:42 < owl> rehi
14:42 < blindcoder> esden: is it possible to filter by that? or at least sort?
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14:43 < esden> blindcoder: I do not see such possibility
14:43 < esden> blindcoder: I will bug cliff
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14:43 < blindcoder> okay
14:43 < owl> *grrr*
14:47 < blindcoder> GRRL
14:48 < owl> blindcoder: ?
14:50 < blindcoder> nothing ^^
14:50 < netrunne1> moin
14:50 < blindcoder> moin moin netrunner :-)
14:51 < owl> hi netrunne1 
14:51 < fake> esden: back to D?
14:51 < n00kie> owl: What happened?
14:51 < owl> n00kie: *cough* if i would know...
14:51 < fake> no rain in Lehel...
14:52 < owl> O_o
14:52 < fake> a bit windy and dark, but no rain up to now
14:52 < rolla> okay has anyone else here attemped to add multi nic support to the /sbin/init.d/network script?
14:52 < owl> apocalypse is only here... interesting... :p
14:52 < blindcoder> rolla: not yet.
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14:53 < fake> rolla: oh ... SMP is working on that!
14:53 < fake> rolla: it is called rocknet and will go into 2.0
14:53 < blindcoder> netrunner: using irssi?
14:53 < fake> owl: a local phenomena ;)
14:54 < owl> fake: yes. i'm "anziehen" the disasters and so :p
14:55 < fake> owl: keep close to me, i need them badly.
14:55 < owl> fake: btw, will you be at 18:38 train to nuremberg, during this week (except wed.)?
14:55 < owl> fake: *har* *kick*
14:55 < rolla> fake: okay
14:55 < netrunner> esden: still in vienna?
14:55 < rolla> I am going to hack mine so I can get it to work else it is no good as a server OS for me :)
14:56 < esden> blindcoder: clifford forwarded that request already to the maintainer of flyspray and it will be there in the vorsion after the next
14:56 < fake> owl: i'll get 17:52 today, i hope
14:56 < esden> netrunner: ack
14:56 < esden> hi fake 
14:56 < owl> fake: hm. bad :-(
14:56 < fake> esden: greetz to clifford
14:56 < esden> fake: I will forward them
14:56 < fake> esden: rxr and Co "ueberholt" us at regensburg
14:56 < fake> esden: and we made plenty of breaks... ;)
14:57 < esden> fake: greets too from cliff
14:57 < owl> fsck. time to fork...
14:58 < netrunner> oh, the weather is directly above me (lightning and thunder at the same time)
14:58 < owl> netrunner: where in munich are you?
14:59 < netrunner> owl: east
14:59 < owl> hm. k. 
14:59 * owl is in direction to "dachau"
14:59 < owl> somewhere near olympiacentrum
15:01 * fake is central
15:01 * blindcoder currently at Sendling
15:03 < blindcoder> *yawn*
15:04 < netrunner> f*ck, now I cannot use the aircon while it
15:04 < netrunner> is raining
15:04 < fake> 1683 builds total, 919 completed fine, 55 with errors
15:05 < blindcoder> netrunner: sucks :-)
15:06 < blindcoder> hmm...
15:07 < blindcoder> somehow it worries me that about 60% of all searches that lead to my page have to do with the Linux Progress Patch
15:10 < esden> blindcoder: why does it worry you?
15:10 < blindcoder> esden: because all I did with the LPP was to make it apply to recent kernels...
15:14 < fake> still no rain here...
15:15 < netrunner> ah, it stopped *switchingonaircon*
15:15 < blindcoder> well, it stopped raining here alread
15:15 < blindcoder> y
15:19 * blindcoder going home
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15:20 < netrunner> ciao blindy
15:20 < n00kie> it's starting raining in here
15:23 < n00kie> err
15:23 < n00kie> not in here
15:23 < n00kie> ;)
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15:31 < owl> rehi
15:40 < esden> ok ... diet libc Feature Project page is now avalable (http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/dietlibc.html)
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15:49 < slef> I tried following the handbook directions to do Download and Build-Pkg on xfree86 and it failed, apparently through not having one of the dependencies installed.  Can I make it follow deps?
15:50 < slef> or should I be trying to write a target config and do that?
15:51 < owl> make it follow deps?
15:52 < owl> you have afaik to install the missing dep, manually by ./scripts/Build-Pkg $missing_dep
15:52 < owl> and then re-build the failed packages...
15:52 < netrunner> ugh ... that movie is hard. /me watching alien4 again.
15:52 < slef> urgh
15:53 < slef> Does Build-Target figure out deps?
15:53 < owl> not really... if you mean, if it tells you, when selecting packages, that this and this and another package need to be installed...
15:54 < slef> Does the gcc in rock support objC?  (not tested it myself yet)
15:54 < owl> sorry... dunno... 
15:55 < netrunner> sleff: loog in the packages/x11/xfree86/xfree86.cache, the names after [DEP] are the dependencies. I don't know if there is a option to auto build them though
15:55 < esden> netrunner: do not watch films but be productive ;)
15:55 < slef> How does the Update-System not fry the system if it can't follow deps?
15:55 < netrunner> esden: I have more than one pc, and more than the movie on my screen.
15:56 < esden> netrunner: hehe ... ok ;)
15:56 < slef> netrunner: doing it by hand is painful, but may still be worth it if rock has objC
15:56 * slef boots the rock box again
15:57 < SMP> of course there is objC support
15:57 < netrunner> esden: is there a script that does what slef wants? would be interesting for me too ...
15:57 < esden> netrunner: not that I know of
15:57 < netrunner> esden: shalt I fill a task?
15:58 < slef> SMP: hrm, gcc-3.2 though.  I think that one is dud, but ICBW
15:58 < SMP> slef: if you want to build packages with dependencies for the running system, use Emerge-Pkg
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15:58 < slef> SMP: thanks.  Trying.
15:58 < slef> SMP: where is that found?
15:58 < SMP> scripts/
15:58 < esden> netrunner: when building a package the .cache file get's created automatically
15:58 < slef> not on 2.0.0-beta7 or whatever this is
15:59 * slef tries Update-Src
15:59 < esden> if that is what you want to have generated
15:59 < SMP> it's fairly now. yes
15:59 < SMP> eh, new
15:59 < netrunner> esden: I know. but with scripts/Build-Pkg it would be nice to ensure that dependencies are met.
15:59 < esden> netrunner: Emerge-Pkg is doing that dependancy resolving stuff
16:00 < esden> I don not know if we want that in Build-Pkg
16:00 < esden> rocket will do that resolving too ...
16:00 < netrunner> esden: is Emerge-Pkg submitted?
16:00 < esden> netrunner: yes it is in the svn
16:00 < esden> since some weeks ;)
16:01 * slef is studiously trying to avoid svn now that he's seen arch, but anyway.
16:01 * slef sees Emerge-Pkg scroll past
16:02 < fake> slef: watch your step, you just entered biased terrain ;)
16:03 * -> esden is not commenting slef's post to avoid a flamewar
16:04 * netrunner taking the flamethrower from the movie he's watching
16:05 < slef> ok, to get back on topic
16:05 < slef> Emerge-Pkg doesn't seem to have downloaded anything else
16:07 < slef> let's see what that does after a few hours then
16:08 < slef> kudos to Rock for being installable manually on nasty hardware (ALI M1529 chipset)
16:10 < slef> Is there a way to use a dir under /usr/local for my own package details?
16:10 < slef> (or otherwise to avoid Update-Src nuking them... or am I best off copying to a safe place during Update-Src and themn copying back?)
16:12 < slef> Is latest handbook etc updated to mention Emerge-Pkg or are patches wanted?  (If so, where's the best source?)
16:13 * fake doesnt understand a word.
16:13 < fake> slef: www.rocklinux.org ?
16:13 < slef> fake: I think Update-Src said that it would erase my changes to the ./packages dir.  I want to avoid that.  How do other people do it?
16:14 < slef> fake: where on there is rock-handbook.tex?
16:16 < esden> the rock handbook can be downloaded from svn ... http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook/
16:17 < slef> esden: thanks
16:18 * slef notes lack of tar.gz and fires up wget
16:18 < SMP> don't use Update-Src if you have been hacking on them (or take a diff first)
16:19 < SMP> in that case you should be using svn
16:19 * slef doesn't get the flamethrower out, either
16:19 < tcr> rolla: adding support for multiple nics is fairly simple, just iterate through $IF... Ah, but you certainly figured that out yourself ;)
16:20 < tcr> slef: I'll use arch for rock developing
16:20 < tcr> slef: You should be here more often, I'm atm the only one who advocates arch (but that very vigorously ;))
16:20 < slef> tcr: are you on one of the new -users lists?
16:20 < slef> careful with the vigour... don't want you to strain yourself
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16:20 < tcr> Yeah, we got auto-subscribed
16:21 < slef> didn't preserve the List-Id, so I have no outgoing atm
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16:38 < DeElsasser> hi folk
16:40 < slef> lo
16:42 < netrunner> brrr ... I hate those alien movies.
16:43 < DeElsasser> netrunner: what for?
16:47 < netrunner> DeElsasser: being horrible. I do not like to watch those movies, I would even prefer my gf's soaps to them.
16:47 < netrunner> ... but I was a little masochistic today.
16:50 < DeElsasser> what is the title?
16:51 < netrunner> alien 4
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16:52 < dennis> fake:  ping
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16:54 < DeElsasser> netrunner: must be nice, I love this movies ;-)
16:54 < jsaw> re
16:54 < jsaw> hi ev'rybody
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16:54 < tcr> moin jsaw
16:54 < DeElsasser> hi al'one
16:54 < tcr> How's things?
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16:55 < jsaw_> ???
16:56 < tcr> ?
16:56 < netrunner> ??
16:56 < jsaw_> (I was disconnected w/o seeing any reason for it.)
16:56 < DeElsasser> 2 jsaw is better then no jsaw
16:57 < jsaw_> (and jsaw is still there, but I'm not logged in with that nick...)
16:57 < jsaw_> should I worry?
16:58 < fake> dennis: pong
16:58 < tcr> kick into that ghost's ass
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17:20 < rolla> anyone here that knows iptables
17:21 < kasc> yep
17:21 < rolla> how would I use it to redirect a port say 8080 to another port on another machine
17:23 < kasc> did you try DNAT?
17:23 < rolla> no I am not that good with iptables
17:25 < kasc> iptables -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to-destination ipaddr[-ipaddr][:port-port]
17:25 < kasc> try something like that
17:26 < rolla> okay
17:27 < rolla> hmm working sort of
17:28 < kasc> sort of?
17:30 < netrunner> does this #define stuff also replace occurrences in strings that are printed?
17:30 < rolla> yeah I make contact but the response is getting lost on the way back 
17:31 < kasc> then you will need some SNAT for the way back
17:31 < rolla> SNAT okay
17:32 < tcr> netrunner: No
17:32 < rolla> how do I set that up?
17:33 < kasc> umm...
17:33 < netrunner> tcr: would that work: #define ABC "new text"   and later printf("Original blabla" ABC "otherblabla);
17:34 < tcr> better use printfs("original blabla %s otherblabla", ABC);
17:34 < tcr> s,s,,2
17:35 < kasc> iptable -I POSTROUTING -p tcp --sport 8080 -j SNAT --to-source yourip:yourport
17:36 < netrunner> tcr: thx
17:37 < rolla> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
17:38 < daja77> re
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17:39 < netrunner> rolla: -t nat -A POSTROUTING      ... and iptables is written with s in the end.
17:39 < netrunner> hi daja77, well back at home?
17:39 < rolla> :)
17:39 < kasc> hehe
17:40 * netrunner now watching starwars 2, much nicer than alien4
17:40 < esden> cu all
17:40 < netrunner> cu esden 
17:40 < daja77> netrunner: yes
17:40 < daja77> cu esden 
17:41 < netrunner> esden: I am selling an alpha on ebay, need one? *g*
17:41 < dennis> bye esden 
17:42 < dennis> netrunner: which id on ebay? ;-)
17:42 < tcr> netrunner: do you mean episode 2?
17:42 < rolla> too many damn prtos
17:42 < tcr> Btw. in some minutes TNG will come on kabel1, so you really don't need to watch a movie
17:43 < dennis> TNG ?
17:43 < tcr> Can anyone tell me the options of hdparm to set off dma mode for a hdd? The bootdisks doesn't carry any manpages
17:43 < daja77> do we really have to explain that?!
17:44 < tcr> dennis: Star Trek, The Next Generation... You, you heretic!
17:45 < Freak> tcr: thank gosh you reminded me :)
17:45 < daja77> hihi Freak is seleeping everything over ...
17:47 < dennis> tcr: ohh, damn ;-)
17:48 < Freak> daja77: everyONE.
17:48 < rolla> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
17:48 < rolla> what builds that
17:48 < Freak> this night I was at a friend's boyfriend's home in karlsruhe because I didnt want to go home by night
17:49 < Freak> afk
17:50 < daja77> Freak: you are bizarre
17:53 * daja77 back later
17:54 < rolla> anyone?
17:55 < jsaw> rolla: grep the flists, but I guess its gcc-2
17:55 < rolla> hmm
17:56 < jsaw> this is sth like "my libstdc++ depends on libc$VERSION"
17:57 < Freak> daja77: yes why?
17:57 < Freak> oh wait
17:57 < Freak> thats
17:57 < Freak> thats the episode with the loving couple isnt it
17:58 < tcr> Yes
17:58 < Freak> and that guy..
17:58 < Freak> i saw that one too often
17:58 < Freak> its one of my not-so-favourite episodes ;)
17:58 < tcr> Me too, but that doesn't matter!!
17:58 < Freak> today to me it does, dont wanna see it now :)
17:59 < jsaw> tcr: ack
17:59 < Freak> btw did you see nemesis?
17:59 < Freak> critics were fare too bad imho
17:59 < Freak> far
18:00 < tcr> No I haven't. Hadn't enough time to that time
18:00 < jsaw> critics were totally wrong IMNSHO
18:00 < Freak> whats the images.google-switch to turn off the grouping of images..
18:00 < Freak> jsaw: ACK
18:00 < Freak> imho its one of the best ones they made
18:01 < Freak> but i dont see why it should be a generation's last journey.
18:01 < Freak> :)
18:01 < jsaw> (I was hestitating to see it due to the critique, but when I came out, man!)
18:01 < Freak> jsaw: thats what happened - I believed the critics and thought I'd better keep my money.
18:01 < Freak> too bad!
18:02 < jsaw> ;-(
18:02 < Freak> anyone familiar with dircproxy? do I have to completely restart it to make changes in .dircproxyrc take effect?
18:04 < jsaw> *damn*, this new gcc 3.3.1 produces so many errors...
18:04 < Freak> ah, the google-switch was filter=0
18:09 < netrunner> tcr: yes.
18:11 < Freak> google needs boolians.
18:12 < tcr> netrunner: yes? %)
18:12 < rxr> re
18:12 < jsaw> hi rxr
18:12 < netrunner> tcr: episode 2 :)
18:13 < rxr> hi jsaw netrunner *
18:13 < netrunner> can I tell a compiler to include a headerfile or do I always have to put a #include in the file?
18:13 < jsaw> is there some log of the dev-meeting somewhere
18:14 < netrunner> jsaw: use the task system as list of things we discussed.
18:14 < SMP> netrunner: wass -include to cpp
18:14 < SMP> pass even
18:14 < netrunner> SMP: thx
18:14 < tcr> but he should do that only for testing purpose
18:15 < SMP> of course, there is no good reason to do that
18:15 < jsaw> netrunner: what's the "task list"
18:16 < Freak> to send HUP to a process, I use kill, right? kill -HUP?
18:16 < netrunner> jsaw: http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/
18:16 < SMP> Freak: yes
18:16 < Freak> tnx
18:18 < jsaw> bbl
18:18 < Freak> wheee its working :)
18:19 < Freak> just gotta send HUP to dircproxy then it reloads the configuration file :)
18:30 < dennis> where can i get the tex files from the handbook?
18:42 < rxr> dennis: http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook/
18:42 < rxr> fake: arround ?
18:44 < dennis> rxr: thx
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19:20 < netrunner> rxr: why do you mind other people printing the book?
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19:35 < tcr> Finally, I got the installation started
19:35 < tcr> moin bluefire
19:44 < bluefire> moin
19:54 < netrunner> hey, it works! /me falls into the dust in front of his mirror
19:55 < dennis> netrunner: you really sell a alpha on ebay? ;-)
19:55 < dennis> s/a/an
19:57 < netrunner> dennis: nope, internal joke *eg*
19:58 < dennis> netrunner: ok ;-)
20:02 * netrunner just noticed that there is a RockLinux policy *g*
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20:30 < rxr> netrunner: if you do not want to sell it just print it ...
20:45 < tcr> Hmm
20:45 < tcr> That's strange... fsck fails because /tmp is already mounted (and that at boot time, where it actually can't be mounted)
20:45 < tcr> A bug in the system init script? 
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20:57 < netrunner> rxr: oh, I was reading the license. it says in option b that the author needs to give permission for printing ... or was I reading to fast?
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20:58 < Mike1> re
20:58 < netrunner> tcr: probably wrong or old entry in  /etc/mtab
20:59 < tcr> netrunner: nope, bug in init script
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21:03 < SMP> jsaw ?
21:06 < slef> bah freesplit
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21:19 < jsaw> re
21:19 < jsaw> SMP?
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21:22 < owl> hi
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21:22 < jsaw> hi owl
21:22 < owl> hi jsaw 
21:22 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:23 < jsaw> hi^3
21:23 < owl> hi blindy
21:23 < SMP> jsaw: I can't seem to find the definition of $USB_HCI / $USB_HCD in my rockplug installation (from 2003-07-24)
21:23 < blindcoder> fuck, I'm about to empty my stomach the way I filled it...
21:24 < blindcoder> brb
21:24 < jsaw> SMP: should be /etc/conf/usb
21:24 < rxr_> SMP: rock-net ?
21:24 < SMP> oh, yeah
21:24 < netrunner> rxr_: you and me are currently doing double-work. :/
21:24 < SMP> rxr_: no excuses anymore ;)
21:25 * netrunner working on the bootdisk target.
21:26 < rxr_> SMP: when could you just commit the current state
21:26 < rxr_> I'm willing to code on it this week until it is in shape
21:26 < blindcoder> looks like I ate something bad...
21:26 < rxr_> and I'll also quit the pace.de job ... which will result in more fun and time w/ for rock ...
21:26 < SMP> uh-huh
21:27 < owl> true: are you here?
21:27 < rxr_> SMP:  ?
21:28 < jsaw> rxr_: hi. I've read the entries in flyspray (hwscan). Still there are some questions. Currently, rockplug has almost all hardware scan implemented in bash. But what is the problem with rockscan?
21:28 < jsaw> Seperating both would lead to duplicate code.
21:30 < SMP> rxr_: I'll start moving stuff into the rocknet svn immediately
21:31 < SMP> as far as I see that USB HCI stuff was unified in Linux 2.6
21:33 < jsaw> SMP: tell me more
21:34 < jsaw> what veriable contains the rock id?
21:36 < SMP> well I don't have any usb-uhci / uhci modules
21:36 < SMP> only these:
21:36 < SMP> ohci_hcd               16384  0
21:36 < SMP> ehci_hcd               21888  0
21:36 < SMP> usbcore                96084  6 usb_storage,hid,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd
21:37 < jsaw> SMP: that's fine. rockplug will only complain about the others, but still load the hci's
21:38 < SMP> yeah, it works, but with a lot of noise
21:38 < jsaw> (yeah, I'll implemented a method to shut up rockplug if the module does not exist already.)
21:40 < SMP> I guess I'll have to file a critical bug about the module-init-tools
21:41 < SMP> it is extremely obscure which config files its modprobe reads (in what situation)
21:41 < jsaw> ohoh
21:42 < blindcoder> good night everyone
21:42 < rolla> re
21:42 < jsaw> cu blindcoder 
21:42 < SMP> it is documented to read /etc/modprobe.conf, but it gives parse errors about /etc/modules.conf, too, but does not honor e.g. an 'options' statement I put in there
21:42 < rolla> damn virus
21:43 < jsaw> then you should better be lying in bed
21:52 < netrunner> SMP: I remember some usb-modules being coded into the kernel ... as is usb-storage.
21:53 < SMP> well obviously usb-storage is still alive as a module
21:53 < jsaw> as is usbcore
21:54 < netrunner> SMP: hm ... dunno, I only saw this on daja77's laptop
21:54 < jsaw> SMP: I can't understand, why u get an error about /etc/modules.conf.
21:54 < SMP> netrunner: well you _can_ link it statically into the kernel
21:55 < jsaw> SMP: the source code gives me no hint
21:55 < SMP> Aug 18 04:15:34 delusion modprobe: WARNING: /etc/modules.conf line 45: ignoring bad line starting wi
21:55 < SMP> th 'probeall'
21:56 < netrunner> SMP: I know. I only used it on his laptop and thought he had the standard -rock kernel.
21:56 < jsaw> yeah, yeah, I believe u. I just can't see a reason in the sources for that behaviour.
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21:56 < tsa> hi all.
21:56 < SMP> $ strings /sbin/modprobe | grep etc/
21:56 < SMP> /etc/modules.conf
21:56 < SMP> /etc/modprobe.conf
21:56 < SMP> /etc/modules.devfs
21:56 < SMP> /etc/modprobe.devfs
21:56 < tsa> anyone familar with flayspray?
21:56 < tsa> -a
21:57 < SMP> I think it tries to apply its completely new syntax to the old file
21:57 < SMP> how stupid ...
21:57 < jsaw> I know, the strings are in there, but they are used to compare an explicitely given option.
21:57 < jsaw> and check if modules.devfs or modules.conf should be parsed.
21:58 < jsaw> line 1265 in modprobe.c
21:58 < SMP> well it should not read either of those!
21:58 < jsaw> that's my point, it shouldn't.
21:58 < jsaw> It only does if called with "-C /etc/modules.conf".
21:58 < SMP> does it read modprobe.conf or modprobe.devfs by default?
21:59 * SMP unpacking source
21:59 < jsaw> line 1265/modprobe.c
22:00 < SMP> gosh, there is a default modprobe.devfs !
22:00 < SMP> we need to install it!
22:01 < jsaw> yep
22:05 < rxr_> re
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22:05 * rxr watching a movie to relax ...
22:05 < rxr> SMP: do you need a new passwd ?
22:06 < SMP> yeah, I'll msg you a new hash when I'm ready
22:06 < rolla> SMP you working on multi nics in rock-2.0?
22:07 < SMP> that's one feature ;)
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22:08 < rolla> how long till that is here?
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22:08 < Mike1> rolla: 
22:08 < rolla> ja
22:08 < SMP> heh lmay
22:08 < lmay> hi
22:09 < tsa> hi rxr
22:09 < tcr> re all
22:11 < tcr> tsa: What do you think about giving up the wxpython pkg and instead using an option of wxwindows in scripts/Config ("[ ] Build wxpython only")?
22:12 < tcr> This would also solve the problem of downloading Wxpython-Src* twice
22:14 < tsa> tcr: rxr wanted to have seperate wxwindows and wxpython packages..
22:15 < tsa> what would one do with wxpython (without wxwindows)?
22:15 < tsa> i could imagine wxwin without wxpython, but not the other way round..
22:16 < tcr> tsa: is the wxwindows package built without wxpython atm?
22:16 < tsa> yes.
22:17 < tcr> Ok, thought the other way around ;) Then it must be "[ ] Build without wxpython", of course.
22:18 < tsa> that was my intention at the beginning, until rxr said that he would prefer separate packages..
22:19 < tcr> Did he state his opinion in a mail?
22:19 < tsa> no, that was here on irc.
22:20 < SMP> it's OK how it is right now
22:20 < tsa> Aug 04 02:45:25 <rxr>   tsa: yes - I want a vanilla wxwindows package ...
22:21 < tcr> SMP: not according to #84
22:21 < tsa>  Closed by Clifford Wolf (clifford) on 16 Aug 2003.
22:21 < tsa> Reason for closing:   Won't implement
22:21 < SMP> it _is_ OK because we can't do any better at the moment
22:23 < tcr> So what's the reason for two seperate pkgs?
22:23 < jsaw> tsa: just a stupid question, why does wxwindows download wxPy*, and not sth like wxAll,GTK,X11
22:23 < rolla> w/in4
22:27 < tsa> jsaw: because wxwindows 2.4.1 and wxpython 2.4.1.2 don't like each other,.
22:28 < jsaw> tsa: and what backend is used by default, gtk or x11?
22:28 < tsa> gtk, if present.
22:29 * tsa adding new critical task.
22:29 < jsaw> aha
22:29 < jsaw> btw, I'll opt for inclusion of python configure/building in scripts/functions
22:30 < tsa> you mean the "python setup.py" stuff?
22:30 < jsaw> yes.
22:31 < tsa> there's not too many packages currently using this, but it might be considered (after 2.0?)
22:31 < jsaw> I'll add a couple... ;-)
22:31 < tsa> hehe..ok
22:31 < jsaw> pynumarray, scientificpy, gnuplotpy eg.
22:32 < tsa> ah
22:34 < jsaw> bbl
22:35 < tcr> SMP?
22:35 < SMP> hm?
22:35 < tcr> <tcr> So what's the reason for two seperate pkgs? 
22:35 < tcr> Or: Why is it ok as it is?
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22:37 < SMP> tsa: reload #108
22:38 < tsa> ack
22:39 < snyke> tsa: can I query u?
22:39 < tsa> sure.
22:39 < snyke> k
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22:40 < SMP> tcr: it is not clean to have a package named foo that includes foo and bar, even if that means duplicating a download
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22:42 < tcr> SMP: according to tsa, wxpython is useless as standalone package (or do I overinterpret you now, tsa?)
22:45 < SMP> yeah, but wxwindows does not require wxpython
22:45 < tsa> ack
22:45 < tsa> wxwindows is a portable gui toolkit - like gtk, for example.
22:46 < SMP> tsa: you can close #108 yourself
22:46 < tsa> wxpython are python bindings for wxwindows
22:46 < tcr> SMP: Or in other words: wxpython is optional to wxwindows
22:46 < tsa> SMP: how?
22:46 < tcr> _option_al
22:46 < SMP> tsa: big fat 'Edit' button on the right?
22:46 < tsa> aah!
22:47 < SMP> tsa: only works for tasks opened by you or assigned to you
22:47 < tsa> big buttons are hard to find if everything else is in small letters ;)
22:47 < tsa> i see.
22:48 < tsa> SMP: do you have admin privileges for flyspray?
22:48 < SMP> no
22:49 < SMP> why should I? ;)
22:49 < tcr> Imho, providing wxpython bindings as an option for wxwindows is the cleanest possible solution
22:49 * tsa looking for someone to remove all references to nessus from #31
22:49 < tsa> ;)
22:50 < SMP> wait for the patch to be approved and the assignee to find your comment :)
22:53 < tsa> hehe ;)
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23:19 < jsaw> re
23:22 < fake> rxr: here
23:22 < fake> tsa: the person the task is assigned to as well as the person who opened it may change that
23:23 < fake> just for redundancy
23:23 < fake> ...
23:23 < fake> .o( should read the backlog bottom up )
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23:25 < fake> Found shared files with other packages:
23:25 < fake> usr/lib/python2.2/paragui.pyc: paragui python
23:25 < fake> usr/lib/python2.2/paragui.pyo: paragui python
23:25 < fake> *douh*
23:25 < SMP> known Problem
23:26 < jsaw> tsa: wouldn't it be enough to pkgcheck for python, and if present, build wxpython extensions?
23:26 < jsaw> (I do that for metakit)
23:26 < fake> SMP: solution?
23:30 < SMP> don't know, just saw it reported some time ago
23:31 < fake> hm. okay... who needs pyhton, anyway ;)
23:31 < fake> python
23:31 < fake> whatever
23:31 < SMP> I'd rather send paragui to hell ;)
23:32 < fake> aye, sending paragui to hell as ordered!
23:36 < netrunner> hm .. can one make further use of the stuff a program prints to stdout if you call it with exec in c?
23:38 < tsa> sure.
23:39 < netrunner> tsa: can you give me a hint please? 
23:39 < tsa> open a pipe to it, pass the output back to the parent.
23:39 < jsaw> that requires forking
23:39 < tsa> popen()
23:40 < netrunner> tsa: I'll see if I find sth about that, thx.
23:40 < netrunner> jsaw: I fork anyway, and then wait in the parent.
23:43 < jsaw> if u only need stdout, popen is ok. if u need also stderr, and possibly stdin, you gotta use pipe()
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23:47 < netrunner> jsaw: hey, don't ride to far :)
23:48 < jsaw> netrunner: it
23:48 < jsaw> netrunner: it's not that much a problem...
23:52 < jsaw> netrunner: http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/gtk/exec.html
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