--- Log opened Tue Aug 19 00:00:37 2003
00:00 < netrunner> jsaw: hey, I am currently dancing in a circle because my pipe works 8)
00:01 < tsa> Assessing patches needed for your system...
00:01 * tsa waiting..
00:04 < jsaw> netrunner: I remember having had the same reaction one year ago  or so (also the pipe/fork/exec thing)
00:04 * fake off-line
00:17 < daja77> re
00:30 < netrunner> jsaw: is there a cpan like institution for c? I now want to parse html output *g*
00:34 < daja77> no you should google for a lib
00:34 < daja77> ok /me now goin to bed, cu
00:34 < Freak> I'm bored.
00:35 < dreamind> *yawn*
00:36 < Freak> exactly
00:37 < Freak> the world is changed - I feel it in the water...
00:37 < Freak> bbl
00:50 < jsaw> netrunner: what daja77, additionally freshmeat
00:50 < netrunner> daja77,jsaw: thx :) but I'll go to bed for now, maybe I'll get the trail tomorrow.
00:52 < jsaw> cu, netrunner 
00:52 < jsaw> me also off now
00:52 < jsaw> cy'all
00:53 < SMP> cu
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02:12 < SMP> uh-oh
02:12 < SMP> anyone here with a recent build and nvi and openldap?
02:17 * jsaw re-appeares for seconds
02:17 < jsaw> SMP: pentium-mmx?
02:17 < jsaw> (with gcc-3.3.1)
02:18 < SMP> whoah
02:18 < jsaw> need it?
02:18 < SMP> ok, thanks anyway, I pinned the bug down already
02:18 < jsaw> in the package or on your system?
02:18 < SMP> do you want to see nvi eat RAM _really_ fast?
02:19 < jsaw> not really
02:19 < jsaw> |-)
02:20 < SMP> DAMNIT $%&/()"§=(§R *S*H*I*T
02:21 < jsaw> wtf is/are it/u doin?
02:21 < SMP> Aug 19 02:20:22 delusion modprobe: FATAL: Failed to open config file /etc/modules.devfs: No such file or directory
02:21 < SMP> Aug 19 02:20:53 delusion last message repeated 1201 times
02:21 < jsaw> *argl*
02:22 < SMP> and before I moved modules.devfs away it spit out the warnings about it as well
02:23 < jsaw> okay, I have to support this: WTF DAMNIT $%&/()"§=(§R *S*H*I*T
02:24 < SMP> it spins trying to load snd_seq_oss whenever xmms is running
02:24 < SMP> but xmms uses the artsd output plugin...
02:26 < jsaw> I had this once with suse and net-pf-10. Have been too lazy to track down back then (but the rate was maybe 1/3000th)
02:27 * jsaw disappears again, going on with data analysis: #include <SMP/curse>
02:27 < SMP> :>
02:27 < SMP> and why the fsck is grep so slow
02:28 < SMP> oh my goodness
02:31 < rolla> re
02:34 < SMP> ARGH
02:34 < SMP> I found the bug in modprobe
02:34 < SMP> jsaw: it's right in line 1265 :)
02:35 < SMP> oh, no
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02:37 < slef> Well, the Emerge-Pkg xfree86 has left me with a segfaulting date.  Reinstalling glibc23 and coreutils from CD has not helped.  I'm at a loss.
02:37 < slef> Any pointers?
02:38 < SMP> only date segfaults? ;)
02:39 < slef> well, date segfaulting is the one that kills the scripts
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02:39 < slef> I did manage to make ls segfault at one point, but that wasn't reproducible
02:41 < jsaw> try ldconfig
02:41 < slef> I think I did.  I'll just retry that.
02:43 * slef waits for disks to fsck (although he's sure it was a clean shutdown)
02:45 < slef> hrm... maybe I didn't
02:45 < SMP> jsaw: can you please try grep -c performance? like time grep -c `hostname` /var/log/messages
02:46 < SMP> # time grep modprobe messages > /dev/null
02:46 < SMP> real    0m56.938s
02:46 < SMP> user    0m27.642s
02:46 < SMP> sys     0m0.024s
02:46 < slef> blah... now it correctly says that localtime isn't set
02:46 < SMP> # wc -l messages
02:46 < SMP>   20400 messages
02:47 < SMP> this is just i*n*c*r*e*d*i*b*l*y slow
02:48 * slef kicks self and thanks jsaw
02:48 < jsaw> :)
02:48 < jsaw> time  grep `hostname` /var/log/messages > /dev/null
02:49 < jsaw> real    0m0.030s
02:49 < jsaw> user    0m0.010s
02:49 < jsaw> sys     0m0.020s
02:49 < jsaw> # wc -l /var/log/messages
02:49 < jsaw>   22352 /var/log/messages
02:49 < SMP> yeah I found it
02:49 < SMP> it's because of my UTF-8 locale
02:50 < jsaw> o_O .oO(?)
02:53 < SMP> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-utils/2003-05/msg00159.html
02:55 < SMP> absolutely incredible
03:02 < slef> needs profiling
03:02 < slef> what is incredible?
03:02 < SMP> the slowness
03:14 < slef> well, utf-8 is a newer problem than plain C strings
03:15 < slef> does Emerge-Pkg -dep packagename always build all deps?
03:15 < SMP> it doesn't have to be _that_ dog slow
03:15 < SMP> slef: yes
03:15 < slef> SMP: so help them out
03:15 < slef> Is it possible to only build unbuilt deps?
03:15 < SMP> ehm
03:15 < SMP> of course it does never rebuild things that are already installed
03:16 < slef> funny... it seems to be building bash et al again
03:17 < SMP> try -debug
03:17 < slef> k, ta... will report back later, praps
03:17 < slef> gtg
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06:34 < blindcoder> moin
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07:31 < holyolli> moin
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09:29 < blindcoder> nothing like bouncing spam :D
09:44 < fake> rxr: what's up?
09:48 < daja77> huhu fake
09:48 < blindcoder> main main
09:48 < blindcoder> ehm
09:48 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:48 < blindcoder> dawn dvorak keyboard.
09:49 < blindcoder> damn user too stupid for dvorak-keyboard.
09:49 * blindcoder LARTs himself
09:49 < daja77> oh how? *vbeg*
09:50 < blindcoder> by posting stupid questions to dasr. And NO, that one wasn't from me :D
09:52 < daja77> lol which threadf
09:52 < blindcoder> <bhrmit$4ki$04$1@news.t-online.com>
09:53 < blindcoder> "Diese Newsgroup"
09:53 < daja77> yeah saw it, anbd you know this guy
09:54 < blindcoder> no
09:54 < blindcoder> not in person, that is
09:54 < rxr> re
09:54 < daja77> hi rxr
09:55 < rxr> hi daja77 
09:55 < blindcoder> moin rxr
09:55 < blindcoder> rxr: gpsdrive *snif*
09:56 < daja77> lol
09:56 < daja77> rxr: btw nice to meet you on the highway :)
09:57 < rxr> yes ;-) you both must have "ueberholt" us during some break
09:58 < daja77> and you overtook us before leaving the A 93
10:03 < rxr> yep
10:03 < daja77> when you arrived at berlin?
10:09 * daja77 votes for lynx-like motion in all apps ...
10:11 < rxr> daja77: I do not remember exactly, I think arround 8am in front of hour house ...
10:11 < daja77> ah :)
10:11 < rxr> and arround 7am the outline of berlin ...
10:12 < blindcoder> daja77: lynx-like? I have used lynx on three arches, each behaved differently... which behaviour do you mean?
10:12 * daja77 now back to bed ...
10:12 < blindcoder> bed? At 10AM? WTF?
10:12 < daja77> blindcoder: using arrow keys for navigation
10:13 < daja77> yeah I just noticed what nonsense i typed in mails ...
10:13 < blindcoder> hmm... okay...
10:14 < blindcoder> hehe, and I noticed what nonsense customers^WLusers^WCallers^W...PEOPLE... yeah... that's good... People tell me on the phone
10:14 < daja77> you know that you wake up ealier than me :)
10:14 < blindcoder> yeah, I'm no lazy STUDENT *pokes esden* after all :D
10:14 < daja77> exactly
10:14 < daja77> :P
10:16 < blindcoder> "The Server is extremely slow today." - "Which server?" - "Ehm... moment I have to look that up.... ... ... ... ..." - Me: *speechless*
10:16 < daja77> ROTFL
10:18 < daja77> someone just pointed me to that photo http://schickard.dyndns.org/export/lt2003/100-0081_IMG.JPG
10:18 < blindcoder> "Ah here, intranet.icn.siemens.de." - "Okay, I'll check... no the machine is mostly idling. What makes you think it's lagging?" - "Our perl-script took 2 seconds to run today. Usually it takes less than one." - Me: *speechless*
10:19 < daja77> will you stop making me laughing that loud, my neighbours could interrupt me
10:19 < blindcoder> daja77: hehe :-)
10:19 < blindcoder> daja77: was that last years dev-meeting?
10:19 < blindcoder> no can't be
10:20 < blindcoder> where did that beer come from?
10:20 < daja77> no ltag2003, we were eating with some openbsd guys
10:20 < blindcoder> ah, okay
10:20 < daja77> me with sauce in the face, urgs
10:21 < daja77> italian food ...
10:21 < blindcoder> hehe :-) talkingg about food... /me checking Fressliste for today
10:21 < daja77> ok now really off
10:22 < blindcoder> ok, bye
11:31 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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11:38 < slef> Hi again.  Reran the Emerge-Pkg -dep xfree86.  glibc compiled etc and now date &c segfault again.  ldconfig helps not.  Any ideas?
11:42 < rxr> slef: what is the exact command you run?
11:42 < rxr> which rock linux version did you run Emerge-Pkg on ?
11:43 < slef> rxr: installed from a 2.0.0-beta7 but have done Update-Src on it
11:43 < slef> rxr: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep xfree86
11:43 < slef> in reverse order
11:43 < rxr> does only the date command fail - or is more broken now ?
11:44 < slef> date dumps core, ls dumps core... find doesn't
11:44 < slef> I can try others if you want
11:45 < slef> strace shows it to be sigsegv
11:45 < rxr> slef: could you start them in gdb ?
11:45 < slef> three rt_sigaction() calls, a rt_sigprocmask() and then a _sysctl()
11:45 < slef> sure
11:46 < slef> ok, done
11:46 < slef> what can I give you?
11:46 < blindcoder> date and ls are part of coreutils aren't they? find is a seperate package findutil
11:46 < blindcoder> s
11:47 < slef> blindcoder: yes
11:48 < blindcoder> hmm... I only had problems like this when updating a live system from glibc 2.2 to 2.3
11:48 < rxr> slef: gdb <prog-that-fails>
11:48 < slef> rxr: already done that
11:48 < slef> rxr: I'm at the (gdb) prompt now, after it's died
11:48 < rxr> bt
11:48 < rxr> for back-trace ...
11:49 < slef> #0 0x00000000 in ?? ()
11:49 < slef> #1 0x4016106f in longjmp () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
11:49 < blindcoder> null-pointer? WTF?
11:49 < slef> #2 0x40166621 in pthread_atfork () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
11:50 < slef> #3 0x4015dad5 in svcauthdes_stats () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
11:50 < rxr> slef: which CPU is that and what optimizations did you use ?
11:50 < slef> #4 0x4000ab4c in _ld_catch_error () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
11:50 < slef> (cont)
11:51 < slef> rxr: athlon-xp, changed the option in Config to athlon-xp
11:51 < slef> model name : Mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+
11:51 < rxr> any chance you can rebuild glibc with no arch optimisation ?
11:52 < slef> yes, but I'll have to install glibc from CD package again so that the build system works
11:52 < rxr> slef: that would also be nice to know:
11:52 < slef> (no problem with that, but if you want to capture data, it won't be possible for a while)
11:53 < rxr> if you install the glibc from the CD, does the system work ok again ?
11:53 < fake> hm
11:53 < fake> rxr: you asked for me yesterday?
11:53 < slef> rxr: yes.  Done that twice yesterday.  reinstall and then ldconfig.
11:53 < fake> 1675 builds total, 1236 completed fine, 55 with errors.
11:53 < rxr> fake: yes, there was s.th I do not remember currently ... :-(
11:53 < fake> rxr: then it wasn't that important, eh
11:54 < rxr> slef: ah ok. So either a real glibc bug or gcc mis-optimization
11:54 < slef> rxr: I'd bet misoptimisation, now you mention it.  I think I saw -march=... is -mcpu=... possible?
11:54 < rxr> could you rebuild glibc with pentium optimization?
11:55 < slef> ok, starting
11:56 < rxr> jsaw: are you arround?
11:58 < owl> moin
11:58 < fake> hi owl
11:58 * fake wech
12:03 < owl> bye fake 
12:04 < slef> Is anyone here looking at other source-build distributions?
12:05 < owl> nah. but doing another one...
12:05 < owl> slef: if you're interested in contributing...?
12:06 < daja77> *cough* rock is no src based distribution ...
12:07 < slef> daja77: it looks like a duck from just here.  How would you describe it?
12:07 < daja77> rocklinux is a distribution build kit
12:08 < owl> aha. and what should be the difference, then, daja77 ?
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12:08 < daja77> oh my ... don't tell me that _you_ don't know
12:09 < slef> I'm used to distributions that give you tools to build your own distribution sets.  That needn't make it use the source, thouh I prefer it.
12:11 < blindcoder> rehi
12:11 < blindcoder> damn customers
12:11 < owl> daja77: well. aren't bash-scripts als source?
12:11 < daja77> huh?!
12:12 < owl> daja77: ?
12:13 * blindcoder can't remember the number of how often the "Is ROCK a distribution" question was asked asd discussed in length >_<
12:13 < slef> owl: ?
12:13 < owl> blindcoder: ...
12:14 < owl> rock is a improved patch-collection...
12:14 < daja77> blindcoder: ack don't let us do it again, not if slef and owl are able to read
12:14 < blindcoder> daja77: aye.
12:15 < rxr> owl: that rock is _only_ a improved patch-collection is a bad joke
12:15 < slef> URL?
12:15 < rxr> coudl the tongue get a bit friendlier?
12:15 < daja77> http://www.rocklinux.org
12:15 < owl> anyways i'm not willed to contribute to rock any longer. and this is now finally
12:15 * slef forcefeeds daja77 a slashdot poster
12:15 < owl> rxr: so what is it then, too?
12:16 < blindcoder> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/esden/irclog/
12:16 < rxr> owl: and why do you want to stop rock linux contributions this time =
12:16 < rxr> s/=/?
12:16 < owl> rxr: because [reasons]
12:16 < slef> blindcoder: any particular file?
12:16 < blindcoder> slef: IIRC one out of four
12:16 < daja77> because she doesn't get everyones attention this wayy
12:16 < blindcoder> that question pops up again and again and again
12:17 < rxr> blindcoder: what crap are you posting here?
12:17 < blindcoder> slef: in short: with ROCK you can build your own distribution.
12:17 < rxr> slef: maybe http://www.rocklinux.org/about.html
12:17 < rxr> is of help
12:17 < rxr> blindcoder: with this tone to new users we will never get any new ... ?!?
12:18 < blindcoder> rxr: I didn't want to be unfriendly. I wanted to end this discussion before it started again. Seems like my try backfired. My sincere apologies for that. /me will now shut up.
12:19 < owl> .oO(if it's just the tone...)
12:19 < slef> blindcoder: that doesn't make rock not a distribution itself.
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12:19 < owl> wb true 
12:19 < rxr> slef: yes ROCK Linux includes some preconfigured distributions ...
12:21 < slef> blindcoder: I also searched 5 of your irc logs without finding it.
12:21 < rxr> blindcoder: if it still comes up we need to _fix_ our homepage and/or documentation
12:21 < daja77> owl: what else,  you are always ranting withouit asingle argument
12:21 * slef searched on distr
12:21 < true> thx owl 
12:21 < rxr> owl: why do you want to stop contributing to rock this time ?
12:21 < owl> rxr: because i want. dot. 
12:21 < daja77> owl has no reason as always
12:21 < owl> 2.0.0-final will never be released i guess. 
12:21 < rxr> owl: how - wow. Any real argument?
12:21 < owl> daja77: shut up. nobody asked _you_
12:21 < owl> rxr: build it, use it and see the errors. have fun bughunting
12:21 < rxr> owl: this channel is not for personal flamewars ...
12:22 < daja77> rxr: *gg* you could tag a final just for owl
12:22 < rxr> owl: my server builds rock the whole day - where is the problem ?
12:23 < owl> daja77: *kick* it even would not be stable, then. a build has over 50 errors...  about some month ago there were only 6 errors... then new packages were added, and added, and added. there was no feature freeze, when it was quite stable and so on
12:23 < owl> rxr: there are many problems. 
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12:24 < slef> Not wishing to step into the flamewar, but fwiw, I don't understand why rock package definitions are spread over multiple files.
12:27 < owl> well, don't ask me. i'm not allowed to speak 
12:27 < blindcoder> slef: in the ideal case a package definition is only a .desc file
12:27 < slef> Dependencies seem not to be built into a DAG either, AFAICT.
12:28 < slef> blindcoder: is the .cache file generated then?
12:28 < blindcoder> slef: yes it is
12:29 < dennis> fake: please slap your boss ;D
12:29 < fake> dennis: i think i won't do that
12:30 < slef> blindcoder: why does the handbook speak of .conf in a way that looks like .desc to me at http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-handbook/html/node154.html
12:31 < rxr> slef: this is already correct here - I just did not yet released a full new version ...
12:31 < rxr> owl: new packages do not really hurt since they do mainly cause regression for a reference build 
12:32 < rxr> feature freeze == core script && package freeze
12:32 < blindcoder> that site seems wrong...
12:32 < rxr> s/package/core /package/
12:32 < owl> rxr: but new packages like e.g. gcc, glibc hurt. and arm-architecture and stuff...
12:32 < rxr> owl:  do you build for ARM?
12:33 < rxr> if yes then be happy we have it ; if no then dont care
12:33 < slef> OK, new question seeing as no-one likes the graph one: how do I stop things with inappropriate licences being installed?
12:33 < rxr> we do not have an new gcc or glibc what are you talking about ?
12:33 < owl> rxr: i don't. but it needs patches and, and, and... and this is time, someone doesn't have to fix other _important_ issues!
12:34 < blindcoder> slef: that's something we haven't thought about yet... what inappropriate licenses do you mean?
12:34 < slef> rxr: noted.  Release soon, please.
12:34 < blindcoder> slef: but it would be interesting as a feature request...
12:34 < owl> or how do you explain, that some "since-years-in-this-tree"-packages are still failing?
12:34 < rxr> owl: it does not need any time from you if you do not care about ARM
12:35 < owl> rxr: rock does not need any time from me if i'm not caring about rock anymore. isn't that the best solution for all?
12:35 < rxr> owl: because you invest too less time, maybe?
12:35 < slef> blindcoder: surprisingly enough, I'm interested in building installation images.  I'd like help in stopping stuff I can't redistribute from getting in there
12:36 < blindcoder> slef: hmm... IIRC there are no things in ROCK that aren't allowed to be redistributed... that's why there's no Java, for example.
12:36 < slef> blindcoder: also, I'd prefer to stop GPL stuff linking against OpenSSL, but that probably requires some work.
12:37 < slef> blocking free-to-use (ie unfixable) and non-commercial licences would be a big help
12:37 < slef> I'd probably also block FDL, personally, as that's not free software either.
12:38 < blindcoder> slef: hmm... that's de facto not possible without some handwork...
12:38 < daja77> oh my god, a gpl waarrior
12:38 < daja77> warrior
12:38 < blindcoder> slef: you could create a small line with grep, cut and echo do do this, though...
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12:38 < owl> daja77: and? do you have problems with gpl-warriors?
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12:38 < daja77> yes
12:39 < slef> gotta love freesplit.net
12:39 < slef> did many lines of mine get dropped?
12:40 < owl> daja77: and why=?
12:40 < owl> might because they have another opinion than you have?
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12:40 < blindcoder> slef: for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ `grep GPL $x | wc -l` -lt 1 ] ; then echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
12:40 < blindcoder> something like that could help
12:40 < blindcoder> damn lag
12:40 < owl> blindcoder: slef is not here
12:40 < daja77> cos there is nothing wrong with free to use licenses
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12:41 < fake> uh
12:41 < slef> so that bug's still there too
12:41 < blindcoder> slef: for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ `grep GPL $x | wc -l` -lt 1 ] ; then echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
12:41 < blindcoder> slef: something like that might help
12:41 < owl> blindcoder: slef is not here
12:41 < blindcoder> hmm..
12:41 < blindcoder> owl: stfu
12:41 < daja77> sure he is
12:41 < owl> blindcoder: stfu???
12:41 < fake> for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ -z "`grep GPL $x`" ] ;  then echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
12:41 < owl> daja77: yes. again.
12:42 < slef> owl: I am, but I did drop out for a little thanks to a freesplit ircd bug
12:42 < owl> fake: why uhing?
12:42 < blindcoder> slef: hmm... actually that helps almost, you have to trim $x a but before echo'ing it but that's basically necessary to put only GPL software into your build
12:42 < fake> arghl
12:42 < fake> that would deactivate all GPL packages ;)
12:42 < blindcoder> fake: indeed :-)
12:43 < slef> I did wonder about the -
12:43 < blindcoder> you forgot a !
12:43 < fake> jep
12:43 < daja77> *gg* that would leave the warrior surrounded by evil packages 
12:43 < slef> or use -n instead of -z
12:44 < fake> for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do [ -z "`grep GPL $x`" ] || echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
12:44 < blindcoder> for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ ! -z "`grep GPL $x`" ] ; then x=${x##*/}; x=${x%.desc}; echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
12:44 < fake> hehe.
12:44 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
12:44 < slef> I just noticed the bit that said "we use bash instead of make for pragmatic reasons"
12:45 < owl> .oO(where's rxr gone to? i want to continue the streit)
12:45 < slef> given that most people are terrible at bash, losing dependency graphs just to avoid make seems an unpragmatic choice
12:45 < slef> my opinion only, YMMV
12:45 < slef> It may be possible to use make to build the graphs and bash for the build system, though.
12:46 * slef ponders how that would work
12:46 < daja77> there is more in life than depency graphs ...
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12:47 < slef> daja77: there is more in life than manually fixing screwed deps too
12:47 < slef> seems a shame to have a solution there and not use it
12:47 < daja77> who said that we have to fix stuff liek that all the time
12:48 < blindcoder> slef: well, autoconf and automake are solutions, too. And not everybody uses it. Do you complain to that projects, too?
12:48 < slef> autotools are a solution to a particular problem... just as with make, they're not always appropriate
12:49 < blindcoder> indeed.
12:49 < daja77> are they appropriate for a single package
12:49 < slef> given that I've already noticed comments in the src tree about dependency handling not being quite right, it seemed a fair comment
12:49 < slef> daja77: depends on the package
12:50 < blindcoder> maybe some day we decide to switch. but that won't happen anytime soon, I think. Maybe we will also port ROCK to Brainf*ck if appropriate :-)
12:50 < daja77> make makes no sense for rock imo
12:50 < slef> Blimey.  Did Make run off with your spouses or something?
12:50 < owl> muhahahahahaha. negative words from a rock-developer, eh blindcoder ?
12:50 < daja77> + people aren't smarter in writing makefiles than in writing bash scripts
12:51 < blindcoder> owl: wherare there negative words?
12:51 < daja77> bash is more flexible
12:51 < slef> daja77: no-one says that they are, but comments like "the deplist is quite unsorted so we need to work around this here" makes me think there's a place for it in the build system.
12:52 < owl> blindcoder: if you tell, that brainfuck will be used, instead of make-files and stuff... :p
12:52 < rxr> we will not swtih
12:52 < blindcoder> owl: *sigh* here, have a cup of humour so ou ae able to detect sarcasm
12:52 < rxr> switch even 
12:52 < slef> daja77: bash is a better scripting tool, yes, but a shit make system.
12:52 < slef> rxr: no-one's saying switch!
12:52 < rxr> take a look into the BSD how ugly their packages are (ports collection)
12:52 < owl> blindcoder: sarcasm. so- so... *vbeg*
12:53 < daja77> slef: so what, we work on this ok, but make still doesn't help us there
12:53 < rxr> slef: blindcoder said "we might switch one day"
12:53 < slef> rxr: I think he was being sarcastic
12:53 < rxr> slef: we have dependencies - even auto-generated
12:53 < rxr> and you would need shell code in (or attached near) the Makefiels anyway
12:53 < owl> why? ports are great... and at least they have dependencies *pointing to rock and saying "no dependcy-problems solved here"*
12:54 * slef buries owl in ice cream
12:54 < rxr> owl: we have solved it
12:54 < daja77> lol
12:54 < rxr> owl: by having dependencies
12:54 < owl> auto-generated dependencies? where? with build-pkg, too?
12:54 < rxr>  /ignore owl 
12:54 < owl> slef: thx for the ice-cream 
12:54 < owl> rxr: why ignoring me?
12:55 < slef> rxr: why not use make to build the dependency graph from before building?
12:55 < rxr> slef: and we even use make (IIRC) for the bootdisk target a resolve a build-time dependency decision ...
12:55 < owl> in bsd it's easy... 'make $package' automatic download of unresolved dependencies, automatic builds - just wonderful
12:55 * slef injects owl with reality serum (ex FBSD sysadmin)
12:55 < daja77> cos you keep out of sync with rock at your own will, and then complaining about things you just haven't figured out
12:56 < blindcoder> owl: it's also easy in gentoo. emerge vim and you get all packages up to and including XFree
12:56 < owl> slef: why?
12:56 < owl> blindcoder: and rock? not solved yet
12:56 < rxr> blindcoder: ack - and just so does our Emerge-Pkg ...
12:56 < blindcoder> owl: so why don't you solve it?
12:56 < owl> blindcoder: why should i? 
12:57 < slef> maybe emerge is a broken concept
12:57 < blindcoder> owl: because you're complaining about itp.
12:57 < slef> I have wondered that
12:57 < owl> blindcoder: and? 
12:57 < owl> blindcoder: i'm not a rock-dev
12:57 < blindcoder> owl: good. we've heard and filed your complain. Please move on.
12:57 < daja77> owl: you are always complainig without really looking on what's goin on, that's why you miss new rock features
12:57 < blindcoder> owl: it won't help to repeat the same problem over and over again.
12:58 < owl> daja77: and? in which rev should be the new features
12:58 < slef> daja77: is there a Rock Periodic Summary?
12:58 < daja77> there is a mailinglist ...
12:58 < owl> `? /me has rev1104... and ./script/Build-Pkg package --> no auto-dependencies...
12:58 < fake> owl: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg ?
12:58 < blindcoder> owl: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg !
12:59 < owl> blindcoder: why having two build-pkg-scripts, then?
12:59 < rxr> slef: there is a Rolling ROCK magazin on the homepage!
12:59 < fake> owl: READ THE DAMNS CRIPT!
12:59 < blindcoder> owl: because the Build-Pkg scripts only builds a package
12:59 < blindcoder> owl: it's not its job to resolve deps
12:59 < owl> fake: no
12:59 < daja77> owl: cos depency resolving is not what you want every time
12:59 < fake> Emerge-Pkg calls Build-Pkg
12:59 < slef> rxr: oh.  I thought that would be CD build instructions.
13:00 < fake> for every package the package you want to build depens on
13:00 < owl> daja77: strange. why using script then? then build it by hand
13:00 < daja77> rotfl
13:00 < fake> owl: 
13:00 < blindcoder> owl: if you want to build by hand --> LFS
13:00 < fake> ....
13:00 < owl> fake: .... << yes?
13:00 * fake notes there is no use for this discussion
13:00 < daja77> you have really no clue ...
13:00 < blindcoder> fake: ACK
13:00 < blindcoder> daja77: ACK
13:01 < slef> rxr: can I tempt you to put "Rolling ROCK Magazine" or similar on the menu link?
13:01 < owl> and? must i have it?
13:01 < blindcoder> owl: if you complain about something then yes.
13:01 < rxr> slef: that would be too long ... :-(
13:01 < fake> owl has a bad day, and she wants to punish someone,
13:01 < blindcoder> fake: owl has a bad year.
13:01 < slef> rxr: "ROCK Magazine"?
13:01 < daja77> owl: no not really, it is ok for most people to have no clue
13:01 < blindcoder> owl: or you will only get something along RTFM
13:02 < owl> fake: ack. 
13:02 < rxr> slef: if other votes for this, sure ... anyone ?
13:02 < slef> UPDATE: glibc23 built and installed with pentium optimisations
13:02 < owl> blindcoder: nope. see no sense
13:02 < fake> owl: does it have to be us ? can;t you simply join #gentoo or something? ;))
13:02 < blindcoder> rxr: hmm.. it might be a good idea to do so, but
13:02 < owl> fake: nope. i can't and won't. but #ereboslinux 
13:02 < blindcoder> rxr: Rolling ROCK Magazine _IS_ long... maybe there are other ways to do so?
13:03 < daja77> owl: lol but talking to yourself is no fun i guess
13:03 < blindcoder> owl: and I see no sense in you complaining here about something you have no clue about.
13:03 < slef> I can believe that it's suboptimal, but "Rolling ROCK" didn't hint that it was a magazine to me.  No "Mag" "News" or similar in the title
13:03 < owl> daja77: there is not only me
13:03 < owl> blindcoder: well why are you talking then, to me?
13:04 < fake> Rock magazine is fine... Rock Zine?
13:04 < blindcoder> owl: well, probably because I'm the only one trying to give you senseful answers?
13:04 < fake> ROCK Zine ?
13:04 < owl> blindcoder: well. bad luck for you. 
13:04 < blindcoder> fake: hmm... ROCK Magazine sounds fine...
13:04 < fake> *laughs*
13:04 < fake> but that sounds like a music magazine
13:05 < blindcoder> owl: no for you. because you just loose the last respect the people in here had left for you
13:05 * slef tries the Emerge-Pkg -dep xfree86 with athlon-xp optimisations again
13:05 < fake> and Zine has that E-Zine taste
13:05 < blindcoder> fake: and ROCK Zine is better?
13:05 < fake> IMHO
13:05 < blindcoder> fake: hmm... okay, I have to ack that...
13:05 < daja77> you are both not hip, it should be rock blog *gg*
13:05 < blindcoder> fake: still it would be a shame to loose that Rolling part...
13:05 < fake> Rolling ROCK Zine
13:06 < fake> Magazine
13:06 < daja77> Rolling Rock Mag ?
13:06 < owl> blindcoder: and? do you really think i care about people? or about respect? or about someone? - not really. boy, thought you knew me better...
13:06 < rxr> blindcoder: fake: the full name would sitll be Rolling ROCK
13:06 < blindcoder> owl: so if you don't care, why do you still interact with them?
13:06 < rxr> just the link could be Rock Magazine ...
13:07 < blindcoder> rxr: so Rolling ROCK as headline and ROCK Zine only for the link? sounds fine
13:07 < fake> rxr: right, it's just the name of the link
13:07 < daja77> Rolling Rock News ...
13:07 < fake> Rolling NewsRock
13:07 < owl> blindcoder: why shouldn't i? sitting here and starring at the code and so on is too boring. 
13:07 < fake> (imagines a rock with news engraved rolling down a hill)
13:07 < daja77> hehe
13:08 < fake> owl: so you play aorund with how other people react, that's not nice..\
13:09 < owl> fake: and? nobody said, that i'm nice
13:09 < rxr> should I rename it ROCK Zine of ROCK Magazine, now ?
13:09 < fake> rxr: ROCK Zine
13:09 < daja77> yes call it rock zine
13:10 < fake> owl: but you seem to expect that people accept you being not nice to them...
13:10 * daja77 votes for a channel bitch ...
13:10 < owl> fake: sure. if they don't that's their problem. not mine. 
13:11 * blindcoder puts in a ballot with three letters
13:14 < slef> Rolling Rock News would work
13:14 * daja77 now off for breakfast
13:14 < blindcoder> daja77: an guadn
13:14 < daja77> :)
13:14 < fake> slef: too late ;)
13:14 < slef> heh, ok... was on phone
13:14 < fake> daja77: mahlzeit
13:15 < fake> http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/
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13:15 < fake> rxr: are you bored? ;))
13:16 < slef> uOS compiling on this box... rock on the faster one... who will win? :)
13:16 < fake> rxr: there is still task #31 waiting to be closed
13:16 < slef> How can I do -mcpu but not -march?
13:17 < fake> slef: architecture/*/....in
13:17 < slef> Config seems to do march only?
13:17 < fake> slef: it's set somewhere there
13:17 < slef> fake: ok ta
13:18 < fake> well i only know for sure for mips ;)
13:20 < fake> 1675 builds total, 1263 completed fine, 55 with errors.
13:25 < rxr> fake: no not bored - just busy
13:26 < fake> rxr: good *g*
13:27 < rxr> fake: you do not yet see the subversion commit and mail storm ?
13:28 < rxr> fake: btw: which email address do you want to be used for the SVN commit mails ?
13:30 * blindcoder buried under a flood of emails :-)
13:31 < owl> *har* hopefully luser-mails?
13:31 < blindcoder> owl: no, that are redirected to you
13:31 < blindcoder> s/redirected/bounced back/
13:32 < owl> blindcoder: ah. yes. i see them *vbeg*
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13:34 < owl> hi Nebukadneza 
13:34 < Nebukadneza> moin owl
13:35 < slef> wow... upm seems to trash its package status if you interrupt it
13:36 < blindcoder> does someone know if it's possible to check against which files a binary was linked?
13:36 * owl np: in extremo - nature nous semont
13:36 < blindcoder> say, /lib/libc-2.3.1.so /usr/lib/libssl.so and the like?
13:37 < slef> does http://www.rocklinux.org/76.html report wrong character encoding?
13:37 < fake> ldd ?
13:38 < blindcoder> fake: thanks
13:39 < fake> np ;)
13:39 * fake Artwork - Liebling der Goetter
13:40 < slef> actually, are all Rolling ROCK articles reporting wrong charset?
13:41 < slef> no, only some
13:41 < slef> hrm, maybe all
13:42 < slef> they claim to be iso-8859-1 when they seem to be utf-8
13:43 < rxr> slef: might be y typo3 bug ...
13:44 < slef> rxr: pages under http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/ are OK
13:44 < slef> rxr: pages on http://www.rocklinux.org/ are not
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14:02 < netrunner> moin
14:03 < blindcoder> moin moin
14:03 < netrunner> I dislike my server rebooting without me knowing it.
14:06 < blindcoder> ehm... yes...
14:09 < rxr> slef: could you mail this to the mailing list ? Or to clifford directly ?
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14:20 < tcr> moin all
14:31 < blindcoder> moin moin
14:37 < fake> must be clifford's static-page-grab-script
14:45 * fake Atrocity - Zauberstab
14:57 < slef> rxr: will do rsn
14:59 < rxr> rsn ?
15:04 * owl np: subway to sally - auf der reise
15:06 < jsaw> re
15:06 < jsaw> hi all
15:07 < jsaw> rxr: u asked for me?
15:07 < daja77> hi jsaw 
15:07 < jsaw> hello
15:11 < rolla> re owl
15:11 < rxr> jsaw: yes ;-)
15:12 < rxr> jsaw: how did kde compile with gcc33 as default compiler?
15:12 < jsaw> horrible
15:12 < rxr> ough.
15:12 < rxr> is much broken? is it easily fixable?
15:12 < jsaw> they did inherit classes, that have private destructors ;-(
15:13 < jsaw> and non-default constructors without defining a constructor in the parent...
15:14 < jsaw> or stuff like:  error: ISO C++ forbids zero-size array `data'
15:14 < rxr> oO
15:14 < jsaw> half of it is fixed already
15:14 < jsaw> I'll have to send one kilogram of fixes to the authors during the weekend....
15:15 < jsaw> 924 builds total, 838 completed fine, 72 with errors.
15:15 < rxr> jsaw: oh - nice
15:16 < jsaw> but as u can, a lot more to dig still
15:19 < rxr> ok
15:19 < rxr> me rebooting the schillernet server - one moment ...
15:19 < jsaw> btw, gcc-3.3.1. There's another funny thing about it. It parses #if 0 sections and complains about non-ended quotes... e.g. gcc-2... has a lot of explanations instead of comments in those sections... and thus fails...
15:20 < rxr> hm
15:20 < rxr> cu in some minutes ...
15:20 < jsaw> gtg, cu l8r
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15:22 < fake> 1675 builds total, 1309 completed fine, 57 with errors.
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15:43 * daja77 np kraftwerk - the model 
15:45 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA8F25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.")
15:45 * fake ASP - The Fields Of Athenry
15:50 < esden> good morning everyone
15:50 < esden> ;)
15:51 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9E4D2D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:52 < daja77> esden!
15:56 < fake> hi esden
15:56 < daja77> seems he has fallen asleep again
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15:59 < rene> re
15:59 -!- rene is now known as rxr
15:59 < daja77> wb rxr 
15:59 < rxr> the schillernet server should be online again (and with workind IDE DMA now ... :-()
16:00 < esden> I was reading mails
16:00 < esden> and I am half a sleep ... yes
16:00 < daja77> <terminator voice>ha ha ha, that's what they all say</termninator voice>
16:01 < daja77> esden: cool i'll join, /me sleepy the whole day
16:02 < esden> daja77: you always have a terminator voice ... I had to stop myself some times not to get a knife and check if you are a terminator ;)
16:03 < esden> so you do not have to add the tags ;)
16:06 < daja77> o_O
16:06 * daja77 never noticed 
16:07 < daja77> maybe esden smoked too much ...
16:07 < esden> rxr: your sleep pants have been found ... YUCK ;)
16:07 < esden> daja77: /me ??? NEVER!!!
16:08 < daja77> if they'd have a signature we could sell it when we get famous
16:08 < esden> daja77: ROFL ... yes ... like the pants of Verena ;)
16:08 < daja77> the forgot them too?
16:09 < esden> no but there was a discussion about that the day before yesterday ;)
16:10 < daja77> oh i was not involved with that stuff ...
16:10 < esden> daja77: be happy about that ;)
16:10 < daja77> hehe
16:11 < esden> I was not infolved either ... I had other things to do ;)
16:11 < daja77> like decreasing clifford's amount of condomes ...
16:12 < esden> no not really, but you are not very far from the truth
16:12 < daja77> some inches?
16:12 * daja77 hides
16:12 < esden> daja77: some hundred km ... 
16:12 < daja77> oh so you got the pills
16:13 * -> esden realizes that his perception of distances is bit disturbed by now ...
16:13 < daja77> hehe
16:14 < daja77> so you can visit her every day now you've got used to this
16:14 * -> esden can not wait till 10C3 ;)
16:14 < owl> 10c3...?
16:14 < esden> argh
16:14 < daja77> that was 1993 ...
16:15 * -> esden can not wait till 20c3 ;)
16:15 < owl> time-machine...? back to past...?
16:15 < daja77> esden the little boy :)
16:15 < fake> *g*
16:16 < daja77> fake: we should send them to gentoo booth :)
16:17 < esden> yes guys make fun of me :(
16:17 < esden> aaaaaaaargh daja77 
16:17 < esden> that is NOT funny!!!
16:17 < owl> esden: *har* everytime
16:17 < owl> it _is_
16:17 < daja77> yes...yes we do
16:18 < daja77> esden: ok let's say debain booth :)
16:18 < Freak> what
16:18 < esden> that is better but I not really want to get near to the big policy brother ;)
16:18 < Freak> did someone just say debian in #rocklinux
16:18 < daja77> Freak: that distribution for kids, you know
16:19 < fake> that's gentoo
16:19 < daja77> uh yes
16:19 < fake> debian is upper class policy jungle ;)
16:19 < esden> daja77: you mean the politics for beginners?
16:19 < daja77> esden: ack
16:19 < Freak> as opposed to rock, the distribution for RENTNER
16:19 < fake> "br0ken by a selected few" ;))
16:20 < daja77> Freak: indeed my granny runs rock on her box
16:20 < esden> rofl
16:20 < fake> there are a few rocks on my ranny, possibly.
16:20 < fake> granny*
16:21 < Freak> die happy on mtv
16:22 < fake> die happy on CO
16:22 * -> esden waiting till coffee starts working ... *sigh*
16:22 < Freak> CO?
16:22 < Freak> die happy on cocain..
16:22 < rxr> esden: in the meantime you could resent the one mail where the patch is missing ...
16:23 < fake> cocaine intensifies (?) the impressions
16:23 < esden> rxr: urgh?
16:23 < rxr> esden: see the list ...
16:23 < fake> CO is a siple suffocation with prior unconsciousness
16:23 * daja77 could migrate his mailbox to his main machinbe to update his laptop with rock
16:23 < Freak> i dont get it
16:23 < esden> rxr: uuuuups
16:24 < fake> daja77: echo $migrate: scp -r Mail mainbox:/ ?
16:24 < daja77> yeah sth like that
16:24 < fake> Freak: kohlenmonoxid is im moment die beliebteste methode, weil schmerzfrei, einfach zu bekommen...
16:24 < Freak> ach kohlenmonoxid, sorry ich war nicht auf chemie eingestellt.. :)
16:25 < daja77> Freak: bei uns stimmt die chemie nicht *vbeg*
16:25 < esden> rxr: sent
16:25 < Freak> daja77: heh
16:26 < daja77> just kidding
16:26 * fake havin' a cigarette
16:27 < esden> fake: have fun
16:28 < esden> hmm ... rxr is back to high productivity ...
16:28 < esden> ok ... bad expression ... I mean he is back to applying patches
16:29 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:30 < esden> hi blindcoder *hug*
16:30 < blindcoder> hi esden *rehug*
16:31 < blindcoder> esden: I hope you don't mind me using apollo as mail-relay
16:32 < esden> blindcoder: o_O ... for spam?
16:32 < blindcoder> esden: no, for normal E-Mail
16:33 < esden> ohh ... then no ;)
16:33 < blindcoder> esden: more and more ISPs block E-Mail from dial-up mail-servers, so I have to relay it somewhere and I don't see why I should pay 2.95 EUR to T-Online for it
16:33 < blindcoder> good ^^
16:34 < slef> does libart really need glib?
16:34 < owl> O_o why blocking mail ???
16:34 < blindcoder> owl: because of spam?
16:34 < slef> looks like it does
16:35 < slef> then why isn't it a regular dependency?
16:35 < owl> blindcoder: hrm. but why should you pay 2.95 euro then???
16:35 < blindcoder> owl: because T-Online wants that much for their mail-relay if you wat to use SMTP
16:35 < blindcoder> owl: webmail is free of charge
16:35 < daja77> blindcoder: change provide?
16:35 < owl> O_o pink idiots... 
16:35 < blindcoder> owl: so I just relay my E-Mail over bingo
16:36 < blindcoder> daja77: well, I use T-Online for DSL-Access because I had only two problems so far. The Mail-Relay isn't really a problem
16:36 < blindcoder> daja77: more a nuisance
16:36 < daja77> ic
16:36 * blindcoder --> anime
16:38 < slef> why doesn't libart_lgpl declare a dependency on glib22?
16:39 < esden> hmm ... /me is imagining how it would be if the core ROCK-TK team would work together in a firm doing rock stuff ... that would provide a lot of speed in development ... *sigh*
16:39 < rxr> slef: the dependencies are auto-dected after a package vuild
16:39 < slef> esden: depends if they go bankrupt.  Sounds like SPoF.
16:40 < rxr> s/vuild/build/
16:40 < fake> owl: magenta
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16:40 < rxr> the dependencies in the .cache file are from a reference build
16:40 < owl> fake: magenta idiots sounds not as well as pink idiots imho ;p
16:40 < rxr> if libart did not used glib then it is not in the dependencies ...
16:40 < slef> rxr: can you autodetect from libraries?  Can't you explicitly declare, instead of the bodge in the gnome-2.conf script?
16:40 < slef> rxr: I wish I could build libart without glib
16:41 < fake> owl: pink idiots reminds me of pinky & brain ;)
16:41 < owl> fake: pinky & brain? O_o
16:41 < esden> pinky and the brain brain brain ....
16:41 < fake> owl: you know.. the pinky, the pinkt, the pinky and the brain brain brain brain...
16:42 < rxr> could the provided bashsing be done somwhere else ?
16:42 < dennis> fake: i don't wanna blame you, but have you seen mr. hoefter (?!) right now? ;-(
16:42 < rxr> slef: dependencies can be declared explicitly
16:42 < owl> fake: aeh?!!! everything allright?
16:42 < owl> dennis && fake = same company?
16:42 < esden> urgh now I know why we use dietlibc in bootdisc target ... amazing
16:43 < dennis> owl: not yet
16:43 < slef> rxr: why isn't it?  Where do I report the bug?
16:43 < owl> dennis: k. 
16:43 < rxr> slef: what do you mean with "can you autodetect from libraries?" and with "nstead of the bodge in the gnome-2.conf script?"
16:43 < slef> rxr: libart's .conf sources glib22/gnome-2.conf, which checks for glib22 and errors if it's not installed
16:43 < rxr> slef: hardcoded dependencies are a no do in ROCK Linux - this should only be used if they are not detectable - and in this case they must be detectable
16:44 < rxr> what is the exact error you get?
16:44 < rxr> slef: ah! ok
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16:45 < rxr> cool - libart really does nto seem to need glib22 ...
16:45 < rxr> slef: can you just rm -rf the libart_lgpl.conf file and see if it builds ?
16:45 < rxr> the gnome-2.conf files is only a sanity check and common prefix detection ...
16:45 < fake> dennis: no, and by the way, i am not supposed to tell you anything, to be direct...
16:46 < fake> dennis: in other words, please stop getting on my nerves...
16:46 < dennis> fake: ok
16:47 < fake> dennis: i might ask tonight, i will tell you when i know more, and i will not forget it. ok?
16:49 < dennis> fake: thanks 
16:49 < dennis> fake: the situation is just bad for me, if you know what i mean ;-)
16:49 < slef> rxr: ok, trying
16:51 < slef> rxr: looking good so far
16:51 < slef> rxr: done, seems OK
16:51 * slef would like to avoid as much gnome as possible on that system (it's for gnustep)
16:53 < esden> argh argh argh ... mozilla is not supporting back button in web-dav!!!
16:53 < esden> that sux!!!
16:53 < rxr> slef: ok - fix is committed revision 1121
16:54 < slef> rxr: tyvm from all us non-gnomers
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16:57 < DeElsasser> hello all
16:57 < daja77> hi DeElsasser 
16:57 < DeElsasser> hi daja77: how are you? it's a long time....
16:58 < daja77> I am fine thx
16:58 < daja77> and you?
16:59 < DeElsasser> and tomorow I go in hollyday: in Bretagne
16:59 < DeElsasser> so I 'll be back in only september
16:59 < daja77> where in bretagne?
16:59 < DeElsasser> Quimper
16:59 * -> esden checked out a packet from subversion using a browser ... that is nice ... but the back button would be nice to work ...
16:59 < daja77> heard of it
17:00 * slef goes insane, pulls your leg off and throws it on the BBQ
17:00 < DeElsasser> it's the end of the know territories ;-)
17:00 < esden> slef: ???
17:00 < esden> slef: because of not arch?
17:01 < daja77> DeElsasser: /me once made holidays at the north coast of bretagne
17:02 < DeElsasser> daja77: where?
17:02 < esden> slef: ???
17:03 < daja77> DeElsasser: perros-guirec
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17:03 < DeElsasser> I was there 3 years ago
17:04 < daja77> it is nice
17:05 < esden> rxr: why is subversion-static depending on subversion packet?
17:05 < DeElsasser> I love the Bretagne...
17:06 < slef> esden: it's more the xml that does it
17:06 < DeElsasser> the seafood ;-)
17:06 < esden> I think we should add to the status line of patch submission [X] DEP list checked
17:09 < DeElsasser> must go, cu all
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17:11 < esden> aaaaaargh ... my parents go back to germany on friday !!! and not tomorrow!!!
17:12 < owl> what's the problem with it?
17:12 < esden> why didn't I know that earlier!!!! *cry*
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17:12 < esden> owl: not so importaint ...
17:12 < daja77> argl* this sucks http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-19.08.03-000/
17:13 < esden> humm subversion-static is not compiling ...
17:14 < esden> hehe fefe is thinking about writing diet libstdc++ 
17:14 < esden> nice
17:14 < esden> otherwise there is no C++ support in diet libc
17:15 < daja77> cool
17:15 < daja77> hope he doesn't add java support
17:16 < esden> daja77: why not ... if he will create that then finally Java will get slim and fast
17:17 < esden> slimfast ;)
17:17 < daja77> he once stated tht he is not perverted enough to do it ...
17:17 < rxr> esden: do you have some reference to the libstdc++ thing ?
17:18 < rxr> esden: if depends on subversion because the .cache is a cp from the subversion package ...
17:18 < esden> rxr: ahh ok
17:19 < esden> rxr: do you want to see my subversion-static.err file?
17:19 < esden> I am stuck and do not know what to do ... *ashamed*
17:19 < slef> is there a hello package, or one recommended for it?
17:19 < rxr> esden: yes
17:19 < slef> s/for it/to use in its place/
17:20 < slef> as an example/template for simple things
17:21 < rxr> slef: the book has some explenations ...
17:22 < rxr> and we havemisc/archive/newpackage.sh
17:22 < rxr> s/havemisc/have misc/ ...
17:23 < rxr> in a perfect work each package should be a good example - but some are currently quite old and could need a polish ...
17:23 < slef> but no package of GNU hello?
17:23 < esden> rxr: query
17:27 < esden> hmm ... it seems that my libxml version is old ...
17:31 < esden> rxr: please update the cksum in libxml2 from 0 to 2046806030
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17:43 < slef> I wrote a desc file.  It downloads and builds fine, but where does that build end up?
17:44 < slef> hrm... it wasn't fine
17:44 < slef> half-baked install
17:44 < slef> tat explain it
17:45 < Christ|an> is rene rebe here in chat?
17:47 < rxr> Christ|an: yes
17:47 < Christ|an> who is it?
17:47 * rxr 
17:48 < rxr> Christ|an: it is /me ;-)
17:48 < Christ|an> hehe youv got mail
17:50 < rxr> you already found out how to mount the partitions in the installer ?
17:51 * -> esden submitted his first bug report ;)
17:51 < Christ|an> rxr: no :(
17:51 < Christ|an> there is no installation instruction on the rock site for drock...
17:52 < fake> ...
17:52 < rxr> Christ|an: the installation is now the same ...
17:52 < esden> Christ|an: you install drock the same way you install generic rock
17:52 * -> esden is slow ...
17:53 < slef> is there any way to make my local packages not try to download from mirrors?
17:53 < rxr> Christ|an: normally you have to specify the mountpoint after you selected to create a filesystem on that partition
17:53 < Christ|an> "how"?
17:53 < rxr> slef: yes write "none" into the mirror file ...
17:53 < rxr> Christ|an: move the cursor line to the partition you want to edit - and hit enter
17:54 < rxr> you get a menu with four entries:
17:54 < Christ|an> and then?
17:54 < fake> slef: echo "none" > src/Download-Mirror
17:54 < slef> that does it for all packages, including rock ones
17:54 < rxr> create fs
17:54 < rxr> mount existing fs
17:54 < slef> I'm happy to still get rock ones from mirrors
17:54 < rxr> create swap
17:54 < Christ|an> rxr - query?
17:54 < fake> slef: what is the differece between local packages and rock packages?
17:54 < rxr> use existing swap
17:55 < rxr> Christ|an: you get this menu ?
17:55 < slef> fake: local packages I write the desc myself and the tarball doesn't exist on the mirrors
17:55 < rxr> slef: current only one mirror at-a-time is supported in rock
17:55 < rxr> but we think about adding some tiny lines of code to fall back to the original location if the file is not found on the mirror ...
17:56 < fake> slef: so, how should i know wether you wrote a package yourself?
17:56 < Christ|an> rxr: i'm currently under windows...
17:56 < fake> slef: i could, of course, scan the original dist tarball, or diff against subeversion.... ;)
17:56 < rxr> Christ|an: it should be pretty straight-forward ...
17:56 < slef> fake: the file is not on the mirror
17:57 < fake> slef: once your patches are in the tree, they will be mirrored.
17:57 < slef> rxr: that would be good
17:57 < Christ|an> rxr: i install redhat on my second pc @ the moment in a few minutes i am able to start the installation and to be here in the #rock chan for questions... (query *g*)
17:57 < fake> slef: and zou should send all your packages to have them included with rock ;))
17:57 < slef> fake: that depends if they work; also if rock works or I am allowed to submit orphaned desc files
17:58 < rxr> slef: the files will show up on the mirros automatically - you do not need to send any tarball ...
17:58 < rxr> slef: if it are general useful packages we are happy to put them into a misc repository ...
17:58 < Christ|an> rxr: you dont like queries? :=
17:59 < slef> Christ|an: maybe someone who is afk has same questions, or others can answer if rxr goes afk
18:00 < Christ|an> ah... well i cannot find in the rock handbook the information about how to mount after partition
18:02 < slef> What numbers should I use on the [P] line?
18:02 < slef> Christ|an: something like mount /dev/... /mnt, at a guess
18:03 < slef> rxr: won't they fail with no [M]?
18:04 < slef> Christ|an: hello
18:05 < Christ|an> slef: hello :)
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18:23 < rxr> slef: just add you as [M] - even if you do not actively work on it ...
18:25 < rxr> should I move all packages in repositories with less then 4 packages into a misc repository ?
18:26 < SMP> nooo
18:26 * -> esden is also against it
18:27 < esden> rxr: but ask others and also papa schlumpf ;)
18:28 < rxr> I mainly think about:
18:28 < rxr> dennis jocelyn pascal owl
18:28 < daja77> dennis package is esden's anyway, no?
18:29 < dennis> esden want me to maintain it
18:29 < daja77> aha
18:30 < slef> how do I pass a flag to only make install?
18:30 < dennis> i will add some packages in the future i think
18:30 < SMP> slef: set $makeopt
18:30 < SMP> ehm
18:30 < SMP> $makeinstopt
18:30 < slef> SMP: ta
18:31 < esden> you asked for work dennis ... and I provided it to you ...
18:31 < dennis> esden: thats correctly
18:31 < esden> dennis: if you still search for work look in flyspray there is enough to do ...
18:31 < dennis> esden: i do
18:32 * rxr just closed task #105
18:34 < esden> rxr: nice
18:34 * netrunner eats aldi-instantcurrywurst
18:34 < esden> netrunner: YUCK
18:34 < slef> SMP: it seemed not to call make install, from the log.  How can I see why?
18:34 < slef> netrunner: UK?
18:35 < daja77> netrunner: hehe have fun
18:35 < slef> no, de, says hostmask
18:35 < daja77> .bv :)
18:35 < esden> netrunner: running dict ;)
18:35 < starlord> does the current gcc(rock has latest?) contain bug fix for pentium4 or is it just in gcc's cvs?
18:36 < netrunner> hm ... not that bad ... 
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18:37 < esden> slef: netrunner is eating an instant curry sausage
18:37 < esden> from a store where you get everything very cheep ...
18:37 < slef> esden: I know what a currywurst is.  I like them.  I just wondered if he was in the UK, as we have aldi too
18:37 < netrunner> esden: there is also wuerstel in english. 
18:38 < esden> ohh
18:38 < netrunner> slef: nope, bavaria.
18:38 < daja77> yepp german export
18:38 < slef> SMP: seems I have to put "install" on the end :P
18:38 < slef> :) even
18:38 < daja77> netrunner is not from this world ..
18:38 < slef> netrunner: not franken? ;-)
18:38 * -> esden sits currently also in .bv >_<
18:39 < rxr> starlord: It is only in gcc CVS
18:39 < netrunner> daja77: true, I am still green behindmy ears ;)
18:39 < rxr> starlord: would be nice if you could get it out of it and send a patch ...
18:39 < slef> freedom for franconia!
18:39 < daja77> slef: hehe no he is really in the dark part of that countyr ;-)
18:40 * -> esden starts crying because of daja77's statement
18:40 < netrunner> rxr: I have tweaked the bootdisk to include an optional pcmcia-enabled ramdisk. I'll send a patch later.
18:40 * daja77 pets esden 
18:40 * slef cheers as he gets his first application installed
18:40 < esden> dennis: rrrrrrrrrr
18:40 < netrunner> rxr: I also plan to work on the other boot/installation issues as I am in there anyway.
18:40 < esden> argh
18:40 < daja77> :)
18:41 < esden> I hate irssi tab completion 
18:41 * daja77 too
18:41 * netrunner selling an alpha on ebay, anyone wants one?
18:41 < esden> netrunner: !!!!
18:41 < esden> which id ;)
18:41 < netrunner> esden: found it in my car :)
18:41 < esden> netrunner: I can imagine that
18:41 < daja77> but wtf ebay
18:42 < rolla> netrunner: I have 2 alphas for sale on ebay along with a U10 ;)
18:42 < dennis> is /var/opt/apache/lib/htdocs/ or /var/lib/htdocs/ better?
18:42 < dennis> bug #40
18:43 < esden> *cry* I need money
18:43 < netrunner> esden: want to buy back your alpha? *g*
18:43 < netrunner> dennis: the first is more according to fhs, iir the devmeeting c
18:44 < esden> no I want a better one
18:44 < rxr> dennis: please take another bug to fix - I'll implement this one in a clean way ...
18:44 < esden> netrunner: no ... both will be used depending on where apache is being installed
18:45 < dennis> rxr: does your comment mean i'm doing crap work? ;-)
18:46 < esden> dennis: correct 
18:46 < rxr> nope - but from your qestion I know that I'll get a patch that will not be applied ...
18:47 < starlord> anyone have HT enabled intel cpu,i'm new to intel cpu's,but shouldn't it look like 2 cpus in linux?
18:47 < netrunner> haha ... the initial idea of rocklinux: redhat: "Buh!" - clifford: "Go away, or I'll replace you with a very small shellscript!"
18:47 < starlord> and does -march=pentium4 enable also ht in gcc or do i need pass another option for it?
18:48 < esden> netrunner: so he did it ;)
18:48 < dennis> netrunner: that's a old t-shirt quote ;-)
18:48 < dennis> s/a/an
18:48 < daja77> so what
18:49 < esden> dennis: be nice
18:49 < esden> argh
18:49 < esden> daja77: be nice
18:49 < esden> *sigh*
18:49 * daja77 is nice to esden 
18:49 < rxr> starlord: you pentium4 option for gcc does not have anything to do with HT
18:49 < esden> daja77: o_O since when?
18:49 < rxr> fot HT you need a recent kernel with ACPI enabled
18:49 < daja77> hehe always
18:49 < rxr> and if all is working correctly it looks like two CPUs - no user-space applicatoin need to be changed ...
18:50 < esden> daja77: ohh ... good ... I did not realize that ;)
18:50 < starlord> so app,to take use of ht only need's to have threaded?
18:50 < starlord> and has nothing to do with compilers
18:50 < starlord> ?
18:50 < daja77> esden: sure you didn't notice, you paid no attention to _me_ :)
18:51 < starlord> rxr:thanks for the info
18:51 < esden> daja77: I do now ... since I realized that you are my type on the dev-meeting ;)
18:52 < daja77> hehehe good boy
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18:53 < netrunner> argl, /me getting telefonspam
18:53 < daja77> hmm strange i don't even have your number ...
18:53 < netrunner> esden had an dangerous loss of protein at the devmeeting *eg*
18:54 < daja77> netrunner: you just don't like her *ggg*
18:55 < esden> sure I had and it was fun :P ... you are only jealous
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18:56 * rxr away
18:56 < esden> ahh good it is a good moment to do a svn up
18:56 < esden> ;)
18:56 < daja77> hehe
18:57 < netrunner> esden: btw... are you still in vienna?
18:57 < rxr> esden: I read this!
18:57 < esden> rxr: *G* 
18:57 < esden> netrunner: nope I am in munich now
18:57 < netrunner> esden: found a keyboard for your server?
18:57 < esden> I was not willing to go on clifford nerves anymore
18:58 < esden> netrunner: sure ... I had it on the trip all the time with me ;)
18:58 < daja77> I'd do but i have no time for it
18:58 < esden> but I have a socond one here
19:00 < netrunner> esden: none that fit ... at least I saw none.
19:01 < esden> netrunner: you should have looked deeper in that box ...
19:01 < netrunner> esden: I feared the dead corpses you are hiding there ... they tend to move inexpectedly.
19:02 < esden> netrunner: you have cadaverfobie?
19:02 < esden> hehe apropos the arachnofobie of clifford is funny ;)
19:03 < netrunner> esden: oh really? what I pity I did not know it ... 
19:03 < esden> netrunner: you should have been there yesterday ... there were two spiders ... cliff was jumping around like an isnane ;)
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19:04 < netrunner> esden: before or after the pot? he might have seen them gigantic :)
19:04 < esden> netrunner: before 
19:06 < daja77> hmm kde-announce is quite active today
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19:07 < esden> daja77: why? do they release another crap?
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19:07 < daja77> yepp an object to integrate openoffice stuff
19:08 < esden> lilo booting openoffice ;)
19:08 < daja77> hehe
19:09 < esden> or better in this case "KDE booting openoffice..."
19:09 < daja77> no kparts component which can show openoffice documents, sound like bloat^3 to me
19:09 < SMP> *ROTFL*
19:16 < uppo> hi!
19:16 < uppo> I am knew to rock linux
19:16 < uppo> and I have some problems ;-)
19:17 < uppo> my network interface do not get configured properly after boot
19:18 < daja77> have you used stone for config?
19:18 < uppo> to have eth0 work properly I must type the command
19:18 < uppo> ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0
19:18 < uppo> deja77: yes I used stone
19:19 < esden> uppo: you use dhcp?
19:19 < daja77> enter the ip address in stone in that way; 192.168.1.xx/24
19:19 < uppo> no I have a fixed ip
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19:19 < daja77> you forgot to specify netmask that's all
19:20 < uppo> I am looking at the various conf files.
19:20 < uppo> where is the right place to add the netmask?
19:20 < daja77> uppo: just do what i told you, it will work, trust me
19:20 < uppo> daja77: using stone again?
19:20 < daja77> the ip address field in stone, address/24 
19:21 < daja77> yes
19:21 < uppo> ah
19:21 < uppo> I will try
19:26 < uppo> daja77: Yes, it works.  Thanks!
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19:30 < daja77> np
19:30 < esden> daja77: I think that should be stated somewhere that you need the /24 
19:31 < daja77> yeah cos I missed that too in the beginning
19:31 < uppo> In fact there is an example
19:31 < uppo> but it is easy to miss the "/24"
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19:39 * -> esden hungry ...
19:39 < esden> I think I go hunting
19:39 < daja77> bears?
19:40 < esden> a bear would be nice ;)
19:41 < esden> ok ... cu l8er guys
19:41 < daja77> cu esden 
19:41 * fake off
19:42 < daja77> cu fake 
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19:50 * daja77 wants an autolart for everyone who activates vacation mail reply
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19:52 < tcr> re all
19:53 < uppo> After ./scripts/Update-Src; ./scripts/Build-Pkg findutils
19:53 < uppo> I have two find (/usr/bin/find and /bin/find)
19:53 < uppo> It is safe to delete /bin/find ?
19:53 < tcr> is it a symbolic link?
19:53 < uppo> no
19:54 < tcr> cksum the same?
19:54 < uppo> tcr: Yes
19:55 < tcr> So it is safe to delete one
19:55 < uppo> I think this is because something changed in findutils
19:56 < uppo> How I can find files from old builds
19:57 < uppo> Or how I can prevent that they gets generated?
19:57 < SMP> mine -r the package before the new build
19:59 < uppo> SMP: ah!
20:00 < uppo> SMP: simple solution indeed!
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20:19 < esden> re hi all
20:19 < daja77> wb esden 
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20:20 < esden> ahh now I feel much better 
20:20 < daja77> how was the bear?
20:21 < esden> tasty ;)
20:21 < daja77> 0good
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20:36 < netrunner> SMP: I do not think it is a good idea to mine -r findutils if you want to still use the rocklinux scripts ...
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20:50 < SMP> netrunner: that
20:50 < SMP> netrunner: that's another thing (and left to the clue of the reader)
20:51 < daja77> mine -r linux24 :)
20:51 < netrunner> daja77: you are bizarre :)
20:52 < daja77> hehe i know
20:52 < SMP> $ /usr/sbin/mine -q linux24
20:52 < SMP> While reading GEM file linux24: No such file or directory
20:52 < SMP> what's the problem with that? ;)
20:53 < owl> SMP: just a guess: installing .gem by hand and not from cdrom&&install-system and so?
20:53 < daja77> no difference
20:53 < SMP> $ uname -r
20:53 < SMP> 2.6.0-test3
20:53 < daja77> hehe
20:53 < daja77> SMP: try mine -r glibc23
20:54 < SMP>  . o O ( now you've got me ;> )
20:54 < netrunner> daja77: no he'll explain that he has a pure dietlibc system :)
20:54 < daja77> *ggg*
20:54 < esden> daja77: he is using dietlibc for all aplications ;)
20:54 < daja77> rofl
20:54 < esden> netrunner: you are too fast ;)
20:54 < SMP> I'm not _that_ perverted
20:54 < esden> SMP: you are not? o_O
20:55 < esden> then it is uClibc 
20:55 < SMP> perverted enough to try building cinelerra, though
20:55 < SMP> arrrgh
20:56 < SMP> enough of that
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20:56 < daja77> enough of perverts, no ...
20:57 < daja77> we are all still here
20:57 < esden> SMP: why is there no rock packet with cinelerra?
20:58 < SMP> because I refuse the use of heroine
20:58 < esden> SMP: weed would be eough I think
20:58 < daja77> esden is an expert on that ...
20:58 < SMP> have you looked at it?
20:59 < esden> SMP: no ... but you will tell me in a moment for sure why it is so stoned?
21:00 < SMP> I don't think so
21:00 < daja77> esden: don't let your karma destroyed by it
21:00 < daja77> be destroyed
21:01 < esden> SMP: you are mean
21:02 < esden> argh that subversion/bdb stuff sux!
21:02 < daja77> ack
21:02 * daja77 fetching sth to drink
21:03 < Freak> addict!!
21:09 < daja77> hm?
21:10 * daja77 addicted to lemonade ...
21:11 < daja77> I think I'll try out my new hackers dvd
21:14 < daja77> cu
21:22 < esden> finally ... svn works
21:23 < esden> but the static version seems to be broken
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22:20 < slef> grrr, Download exits true even if it fails
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22:24 < dfsfs> hello guys... i have a big big problem with mounting my partitions
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22:25 < christ|an> i have go 3 partition: /dev/disc/disc0/part1 /dev/disc/disc0/part2 /dev/disc/disc0/part3
22:25 < christ|an> how can i monut them correct?
22:26 < christ|an> :(
22:34 < slef> christ|an: what do you want them as?
22:34 < christ|an> i wanna install rock
22:34 < slef> yes, but is part1 / or /boot or something else?
22:34 < slef> oh wait
22:35 < slef> you'd better talk to someone who has actually managed to install from CD ;-)
22:39 < Freak> rxr: your handbook lacks mountpoints
22:40 < slef> How can I make the build process call configure with no options?
22:40 < slef> Build-Pkg that is
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22:50 < slef> set custmain, that's how
22:50 < slef> ok rebooting to clear hardware fault
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23:03 < netrunner> christ|an: you are in the install shell? either you mount your new root to /mnt/target or you use stone to do that.
23:04 < Freak> lol
23:04 < Freak> see stone does it for you
23:05 < Freak> so I didn't even have to explain all that stuff to ya hahaha
23:08 < daja77> huh Freak installing rock O_o
23:08 < Freak> nah
23:09 < Freak> just händchenhalting
23:09 < Freak> :)
23:09 < daja77> hehe
23:09 * daja77 has to invest more evil power to convert Freak 
23:09 < Freak> yea, good luck then :)
23:10 < daja77> it is hard cos you are already on the dark side
23:11 < Freak> that is relative
23:12 < daja77> true dat
23:12 < daja77> from my point of view it looks horribly dark ;-)
23:17 < rxr> re
23:18 < daja77> wb rxr
23:20 < daja77> this is not my day, so I am leaving you now, cu tomorrow
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23:26 < Freak> oh, cu daja77
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23:26 < rxr> SMP: are you awake ?
23:29 * netrunner walking the dog.
23:29 < rxr> (you can show up - I only want to ask non rocknet stuff ...)
23:29 < rxr> netrunner: much fun ...
23:29 < SMP> rxr: hehe ;-(
23:30 < rxr> the apache task in flyspray ....
23:30 < rxr> would it be ok for you if not only htdocs gets moved to /var/lib/apache/
23:30 < rxr> but also:
23:30 < SMP> rest assured, I am currently not motivated even for more important things than rocknet
23:31 < rxr>  /cgi-bin /manual /error /icons /build ?
23:32 < SMP> I'm not the right one to ask that question
23:33 < rxr> ouhm ..
23:33 < SMP> first of all I don't think /var/lib is the right place in general
23:33 < SMP> and then I don
23:34 < SMP> and then I don't use such a directory layout myself
23:34 < rxr> SMP: where (aside from some custom /www or /storage/www.bla.org place do you expect a default ?
23:34 < SMP> /var/opt/apache/htdocs or /var/www/htdocs e.g. but not /var/lib
23:34 < rxr> SMP: me neither - but on the dev-meeting and/or camp (?) we defined that /opt/apache/share/htdocs sucks - and that the FHS should be /var/lib or (int he opt installed case) /var/opt/apache/lib ...
23:35 < rxr> the others argues that /lib/www is also not that nice - and other FHS whatever stuff ...
23:36 < SMP> well I only have my opinion, not the perfect solution ;)
23:37 < christ|an> how can stone mount my partitions?
23:38 < rxr> christ|an: so you are running the bood-cd and in the inital disk selector ?
23:38 < christ|an> i hope so :)
23:40 < christ|an> and?
23:40 < rxr> and you see your disk listed with it's partitions ?
23:40 < christ|an> yes (i saw them with fdisk -l ..)
23:41 < rxr> no - I meant you see them in stone listed in the menu (not with some external program ...)
23:42 < christ|an> when i type "stone" at the boot promt i have got several options:
23:42 < rxr> nope!
23:42 < rxr> you need to fire it up using "install"
23:42 < rxr> !
23:42 < christ|an> 1. partition your hdd 2. part "part 1 currently not mounted
23:42 < christ|an> 5. install
23:43 < christ|an> install? :) 
23:43 < christ|an> really?
23:43 < rxr> hm - normally yes - but the menu looks ok - maybe you used the right command ...
23:44 < rxr> is the list of partitions correct? in the text here on the channel I see only one partition - do you really only have one ?
23:44 < christ|an> no 3
23:44 < rxr> and they are all listed in stone ?
23:44 < christ|an> a swap, a boot and a / partition
23:44 < christ|an> in cfdisk
23:46 < rxr> christ|an: well most interesting is stone - not cfdisk or so ...
23:46 < rxr> anyway
23:46 < christ|an> where can stone tell me my partition table? 
23:47 < rxr> if you select the disc _in_side STONE your can choose a partitionizer to partitionize it - and when you select a partition node in the menu of stone you can choose what to do with it ...
23:47 < rxr> christ|an: you pasted the menu list above - I thought you where already running STONE ...
23:47 < rxr> if not just get to a prompt and execute "install" ...
23:48 < christ|an> install or stone?
23:48 < rxr> install
23:49 < christ|an> in the stone menue?
23:49 < rxr> christ|an: ok quit whatever stone menu you see (I think you have not the correct one)
23:49 < rxr> and then execute "install" on the shell ...
23:50 < christ|an> ok i will try it
23:50 < christ|an> thx
23:50 < christ|an> i must got offline now...
23:50 < christ|an> thx
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23:53 < mnemoc> re
23:53 * mnemoc is back from death
23:54 < netrunner> rxr: stone is fine at that moment, not install.
23:55 < netrunner> rxr: install is just the one from coreutils.
23:55 < netrunner> mnemoc: living dead? *fetchingforgarlic*
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