--- Log opened Sat Aug 23 00:00:05 2003
--- Day changed Sat Aug 23 2003
00:00 < daja77> no wait for 2.4.21 i took it from cvs
00:04 < daja77> well i feel more comfortable providing these patches 
00:05 < daja77> the package needs some tweaks with each kernel release anyway
00:05 < daja77> guess rt target will be borken for a week or so, when kernel package is update
00:05 < daja77> d
00:10 < daja77> oh deary me, have to setup a printer tomorrow, see if I find out some of the cups crap
00:12 < Mike1> AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:12 < daja77> Mike1: ?
00:13 < Mike1> had to let some stress go 
00:13 < Mike1> :)
00:13 < daja77> on my ears, you bastard
00:13 < christ|an> mike let it out i'm here :)
00:13 < Mike1> great so i can use christ|an..
00:13 < daja77> hehe
00:14 * Mike1 grabs christ|an and hits daja77's head
00:14 < daja77> ouch
00:14 < christ|an> lol
00:14 < Mike1> daja77: now ur ears don't hurt
00:14 < christ|an> yeah i'm useful
00:14 < Mike1> daja77: no need to thank me
00:14 < daja77> i need a new head!
00:15 < christ|an> take mine :)
00:15 < daja77> ahem no thx ;-)
00:15 < Mike1> daja77: see he is offering "it" to you
00:15 < daja77> I prefer taking Mike1's cos with a latino head, the girls like me better
00:16 < Mike1> hahahaha
00:16 < Mike1> you aint getting my head :)
00:17 < daja77> ok then you can keep the rest :P
00:18 < Mike1> :P
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00:18 < Mike1> daja77: how did you go with the rt patches?
00:19 < daja77> what do you mean?
00:19 < jose> ehlo guys!
00:19 < Mike1> greetings jose
00:19 < jose> same
00:19 < Mike1> daja77: you said you had sent over some patches to the rt list
00:19 < daja77> yepp i did
00:19 < Mike1> so did they get applied?
00:20 < daja77> nope, rxr has some questions
00:20 < Mike1> daja77: ah i see
00:20 < daja77> which is quite ok for me
00:20 < Mike1> btw i need someone with a rock linux package repository willing to take over my packages
00:21 < daja77> all of them?!
00:21 < Mike1> yes...
00:21 < daja77> O_o why
00:21 < Mike1> i am no longer maintaining them
00:36 < daja77> rxr: well let's discuss tomorrow, i am sleepy
00:36 < daja77> now
00:41 < n00kie> Hi :)
00:41 < daja77> hi n00kie 
00:41 < n00kie> hola daja77, christ|an :)
00:41 < SMP> Mike1: I can take gnucash
00:41 < SMP> want to make it work anyway
00:41 < Mike1> SMP: please submit a patch moving it to your repos
00:42 < Mike1> i will ack to it once it is on the list
00:42 < SMP> ok
00:52 < Mike1> SMP: i've sent my good bye mail to the rock mailing list, asked rxr on it to move gnucash to you.
00:55 < rxr> SMP: no patches for moves ...
00:55 < SMP> of course not ;)
00:55 < rxr> I can move it now and you send a modification patch ...
00:56 < SMP> yes
00:56 < Mike1> rxr: thanks.
00:56 < rxr> Mike1: why do you give away your packages ?
00:57 < Mike1> rxr: read my mail to the mailing list
00:57 < rxr> gruempf
00:57 < Mike1> ?
00:57 < rxr> Mike1: none there yet ...
00:57 < Mike1> rxr: give it a moment
00:58 * SMP has it
00:58 < Mike1> i sent it like 2 or 3 mins ago
00:58 * daja77 just received it
00:59 < rxr> Mike1: oh - my. Mike1 do you really need to leave *sniff* ?!?
00:59 < Mike1> see rxr, you should get it anymoment.. then everything will be clear to you.
00:59 < Mike1> *sniff*? 
01:01 < christ|an> Mike1: you leave rocklinux? :(((((((((((
01:02 < christ|an> dont do it! :(
01:03 * daja77 now off to bed
01:03 < christ|an> n8 daja
01:03 < daja77> n8
01:09 < n00kie> sleep well daja77 
01:16 < rxr> Mike1: I had the mail on my last post ... - sad anyway ...
01:18 < Mike1> rxr: well i will be easy to replace don't worry.
01:18 < christ|an> dont say this mike
01:18 < Mike1> rxr: i will take a year to learn welsh and get a MBA, then i might consider to come back
01:18 * christ|an slaps Mike1 with n00kie
01:18 < christ|an> welsh?
01:18 < rxr> Mike1: Will you also stop to use ROCK? And also not just the usual some minutes ROCK everyday?
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01:19 < dennis> moin
01:20 < Mike1> yes i will stop using rock at least for a midterm..
01:20 < rxr> why? Can't it be used at LinuxLab? Or what are you doing now?
01:20 < Freak> mike is ac in disguise
01:20 < Mike1> rxr: i need to finish some personal projects i have and i want to improve my skills and knwoledge.. and get involved in other key projects i have been hanging out for sometime
01:21 < christ|an> gnucms? :)
01:21 < rxr> you do not want to get into more details about this?
01:21 < Mike1> rxr: linuxlabs uses debian.. my work for linuxlabs is contract work, i have my own ompany now,
01:21 < Mike1> rxr: we can discuss in a query .. if its ok with you 
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01:25 < rxr> owl__: still awake ?
01:29 < n00kie> good night :)
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01:36 < Patrick_K> #
01:39 < christ|an> night rock community - today was a bad day because of mike's announcement :(
01:39 < christ|an> n8
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01:45 < rxr> yet another bug report send to dev@subversion ...
02:00 < Mike1> bye..
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02:01 < Patrick_K> gn8
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02:23 < rxr> so SPARC page migrated to Typo3 ...
02:35 < rxr> fixed source trees page ...
02:41 < rxr> so - drock page started in Typo3 ...
02:43 < rxr> so enought typo3 for tonight ...
02:59 * SMP crying
02:59 < SMP> seems like the db185 API changed from bdb3.3 to bdb4.1
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03:02 < rxr> hm
03:18 < rxr> 2.6.0-test4 out
03:22 < SMP> *fetch*
03:25 < rxr> update .desc
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03:40 < rxr> SMP: still arround ?
03:43 < SMP> yep
03:47 < SMP> brb, reboot into -test4
03:50 < rxr> mom
03:50 < rxr> what do you think - should the iptables stuff in / or in /usr ?
03:51 * rxr notes never to tell SMP about a new kernel if a question is queued for him ...
03:51 < rxr> hm - the ROCK Linux kconfig adaptions needs to be rediffed again ... :-(
04:02 < rxr> ok - me off to bed ..
04:11 < SMP> back from -test3
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07:30 < SMP> starlord: morning
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07:39 < starlord> smp:morning
07:40 < SMP> starlord: your Emerge-Pkg bug - when did you decide that Emerge-Pkg does not have that feature at the moment?
07:42 < starlord> smp:it looked at script,and on my opinion it only checks depencies of kdebase31 and not the depencies that kdebase31 depends on like qt,like the example sayed,i'm not good at scripting so i might be wrong,it it does that,i'll change it back to bug,does it?
07:42 < starlord> it=i
07:44 < starlord> crap,too early,let me exlain it more
07:44 < SMP> well, scripts/deb_db.txt does have recursive dependencies 
07:46 < SMP> but for kdebase31 it has qt31 and libmng for qt31 but not libmng for kdebase
07:46 < SMP> that's a bug - but not in Emerge-Pkg
07:47 < starlord> yep,that's why it fails,hmm,what scripts bug is that? create-depdb?
07:52 < starlord> do you know why linux24/26-header builds fail in Emerger-Pkg it doesnt find the package because it dosnt download it and fails,are those linux24 and linux26 somekind of special packages that cannot be build in automatically,that makes sense,allmost everyone want to modify config in their kernel
07:54 < SMP> no idea
07:55 < SMP> can you make #121 Bug/High and mention the missing packages in deb_db.txt ?
07:57 < starlord> yep,just modified,is it little clearier?
07:58 < starlord> http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/index.php?do=details&id=121
08:01 < SMP> good
08:49 < starlord> wtf,glibc23 fails because of too old kernel headers
09:54 < daja77> lol http://quadbass.whosme.de/stuff/enslaved_by_winxp.jpg
09:59 < daja77> *yawn* /me back to bed
10:23 < daja77> re
10:44 * daja77 waiting for kasc repo to finish ...
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11:15 < christ|an> good morning to everybody :)
11:18 < daja77> huhu
11:40 < rxr> re && moin *
11:40 < daja77> moin rxr 
11:47 < daja77> rxr: how are you today
11:48 < rxr> well - hm sleepy ...
11:49 < daja77> hehe guessed that
11:51 < daja77> 908 builds total, 873 completed fine, 20 with errors.
11:51 < daja77> -1 due kapitalist
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12:06 * daja77 off for breakfast
12:09 < uppo> hi
12:09 < rxr> hi uppo 
12:10 * rxr for breakfast, too ...
12:10 < uppo> I am trying to install 2.0.0-camp on a new machine
12:10 < uppo> but I have a problem with boot parameters
12:10 < uppo> I cannot find a good value for root
12:11 < uppo> I tried: linux root=/dev/rd/0
12:11 < uppo> hi rxr
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14:52 < daja77> wow 20 errors in total in generic build
14:53 < rxr> ;-)
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14:53 < LocalHero> Hi all
14:53 < rxr> and a new PowerPC optimisation selection in svn:HEAD
14:53 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
14:53 < daja77> -1 if you don't count kapitalist ;-)
14:53 < daja77> hi LocalHero 
14:54 < rxr> daja77: yes - kapitalist is svn rm'ed in HEAD ...
14:54 < daja77> so 19 errors in total
14:54 < daja77> ok now building bootdisk and creating new images
14:55 < rxr> ;-)
14:55 < LocalHero> Hmm, oki everybody, what do you need to know mere about an iso then this titel,creator,opti,arch,creatoremail,description,isofiles,md5s,target
14:55 < daja77> i found a victim on which computer i can test them
14:55 < LocalHero> rxr, im currently building the site now :)
14:56 < daja77> headachelevel *ggg*
14:56 < rxr> LocalHero: nice
14:57 < LocalHero> rxr, i think it will take the day to do it though :)
14:57 * daja77 notes that his builddir is still called beta5
14:58 < daja77> .oO svn up shows many updates
15:05 < daja77> rxr: you have some time?
15:06 < esden> hi all
15:06 < christ|an> hi esden
15:06 < daja77> huhu esden 
15:08 * -> esden falling asleep >_<
15:08 < daja77> ah you too
15:08 * daja77 making plans for multimedia cdrom target ...
15:12 < daja77> omg is the cups package borken *sigh* ... /me checking >_<
15:15 < esden> very sad day today :-(
15:15 < daja77> why
15:15 < daja77> wow it printed a test page
15:15 < esden> because Mike left ROCK
15:16 < daja77> hmm /me remembered that as yesterday, but it was actually today
15:18 < esden> rxr: ping
15:18 < snyke> hi esden
15:18 < esden> hi snyke 
15:18 < rxr> esden: pong
15:18 < daja77> funny he said to me nobody will miss him ...
15:19 < esden> rxr: I would not do anything in parse-config-9 of dietlibc ... you will get a _VERY_ huge patch to it in the next days ...
15:19 < esden> daja77: sure people are missing him ...
15:20 * daja77 is one of them
15:20 < esden> he was with us for a long time
15:20 < esden> rxr: now I have to merge your changes with mine ... >_<
15:23 < rxr> esden: more tiny chunks are _always_ more useful. Do you know what a big load it is to verify stuff like the bootdisk stil works correct?
15:23 < rxr> btw: the linux packages do build correctly in a dietlibc only target ?
15:23 < esden> rxr: I have tested the bootdisc ... there is no difference on that
15:23 < rxr> and btw. it is better that changes get merged together then completely lost ...
15:24 < esden> rxr: they will when I got perl working under dietlibc
15:24 < esden> rxr: hmm ... ok ... so I merge it
15:25 < esden> rxr: it is impossible to do little steps in this situation ... I changed the behaviour beyond the stage 1 ... 
15:25 < esden> it has no influence on bootdisc target because it is using dietlibc only in stage 1
15:25 < esden> and there has nothing changed
15:26 < esden> ok ... I have to leave back for Ingolstadt now ... my parents will be back home in two hours or so ... 
15:26 < esden> and by then I should be there >_<
15:26 < esden> cu guys
15:26 < snyke> cu
15:30 < daja77> cu esden 
15:32 < daja77> hmm guess i have to create some more packages ...
15:33 < daja77> how can i "emerge" mkpkg into my old system?
15:33 < LocalHero> Hmm, im doing a filesystem scan, what else do i need to check then lines starting with / and . .. so that people are traped into a dir?
15:35 < LocalHero> ahh, maybe i could use find instead. Forget the above :)
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15:49 < rxr> those kernel bastards ...
15:50 * rxr just fixing kdemultimedia ...
15:53 * daja77 just find that rock lacking some nice cups frontends, will fix that later this weekend
15:55 < rxr> cool - kde32 will include KHTML: JavaScript debugger
15:55 < rxr> ;-)
15:56 < daja77> hehe
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16:13 < daja77>  *yawn*
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16:14 < rxr> daja77: if you have free CPU cycles / time you could test if my latest fix really fixes kdemultimedia ...
16:15 < daja77> guess svn up would disturb bootdisk build
16:15 < daja77> oh no wait
16:16 < daja77> rev 1158, right?
16:16 < rxr> yes
16:17 * daja77 Build-Pkg
16:17 < daja77> trying
16:19 * daja77 wants to talk to later about multimedia target stuff
16:20 * daja77 now forced to pay attention to his family, cu later
16:21 < daja77> talk to you, damn typos
16:22 < rxr> daja77: cu
16:22 < starlord> hmm,someone explain why kernel has been split to kernel24 kernel24-src and kernel24-headers?
16:23 < starlord> and do i use Build-Pkg for this or the "normal" way to install a new one
16:35 < rxr> starlord: yes - just use Build-Pkg
16:35 < rxr> it is split becuase:
16:35 < rxr> the linux-header in /usr/include/{asm,linux}
16:35 < rxr> should be the one the glibc is build with and normally not changed (that often)
16:36 < rxr> for end-user updates you usually only need the binary files - those are in linux$treever
16:36 < rxr> and for the rare (? ;-) cases you need the full source for /usr/src you go with linux$treever-src ...
16:36 < rxr> starlord: is there a problem with this ?
16:40 < starlord> rxr:just curious why it was splitted,but that makes sense
16:41 < starlord> btw.there's no dri package?
16:42 < rxr> yes - there is
16:42 < starlord> hmm,where? i already installed from binary(i guess dri.sf.net only distributes binary and cvs)
16:43 < rxr> package/clifford/linux-drm/
16:43 < rxr> but it need impovements - since it does not work on PowerPC :-(
16:43 < rxr> I already spent a night hacking DRI/DRM stuff - but still no OpenGL on this iBook :-(((
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16:44 < starlord> heh,i just got my ati working,but i think ati's own drives might perform better,but they have only rpm's
16:51 < rxr> starlord: some days ago I asked you what kind of ditribution you are creating, or if you are converting some other dist to be a ROCK Linux target ... - Had you already answered?
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16:53 < starlord> rxr:so when i make Build-Pkg linux26 how do i modify .config? yes i anwered,i used beta6-minimal and builded from there,but i decided to use beta6-drock,that time i didnt have extra bandwidth to download everything
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17:05 < rxr> starlord: you can modify the kernel config in the GUI ./scripts/Config ...
17:05 < rxr> (in the expert options)
17:05 < rxr> starlord: From you qestions and answer I had the feeling that you buidl some GNU/Step (or so) only distribution =
17:05 < rxr> s/=/?/
17:06 < christ|an> rxr you are so stupid!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111 s/stupid/cool/ :) 
17:06 < starlord> :)
17:07 < starlord> rxr:naah,i now had standard desktop target installed
17:07 < starlord> had=have
17:13 < rxr> so - linux26 updated in HEAD
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17:36 < holyolli> moin
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18:31 < owl__> moin
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19:30 < barg> hi, i'm new to rocklinux, but i like it more and more :-). can anyone help me with connecting to another machine by serial port? i wanna have the console from $a on $b. so what do i have to add in my /etc/inittab on $b?
19:49 < starlord> barg:i havent really done this serial thingie,but something like this 6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 ttyS1
19:50 * starlord is away: I'm busy
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20:08 < barg> hmm, that doesn't work, :-(
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20:42 < tcr> moin all
20:46 < christ|an> hi tcr
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20:48 < christ|an> hi strong
20:48 < Strog> hello
20:48 < christ|an> how are you?
20:49 < Strog> I'm doing pretty good
20:49 < christ|an> thats nice :)
20:49 < Strog> how are you doing?
20:49 < christ|an> oh well thanks :)
20:51 < Strog> I thought maybe you were having a bad time after that rant about OS2
20:51 < Strog> :-P
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20:52 < Strog> Hey, I was being nice
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20:53 < christ|an> re
20:53 < christ|an> lol
20:53 < Strog> wb
20:53 < christ|an> sorry but i hate os/2 :)
20:53 < christ|an> it is one of the worst thing in the world
20:54 < Strog> I haven't installed it in years.  I was in that channel because someone I know was there and they have been banned from their regualar channel
20:54 < Strog> I don't think it's that bad.  There's some things it does well
20:54 < christ|an> no no :) 
20:55 < christ|an> its really bad, slow and so on
20:55 < christ|an> baaa
20:55 < Strog> We used it where I worked to talk between a Solaris phone switch and the AS/400
20:55 < Strog> It does that job very well
20:55 < christ|an> we use it still
20:55 < christ|an> and its bullshiot
20:55 < Strog> and other communications jobs mostly.  Desktop is mediocre
20:56 < Strog> Seems you were just venting earlier
20:57 < Strog> I didn't take it personally. :)
20:57 < christ|an> kk :) 
20:58 < christ|an> it was a little "revolution" :)
20:58 * Strog is a big *nix fan anyway
20:58 < christ|an> brave stong :)
20:58 < Strog> how so? 
20:58 < Strog> heh
20:59 < christ|an> of course :>
20:59 < Strog> I could have said BSD but I'm not trying to start anything. lol
20:59 < christ|an> lol
20:59 < christ|an> FUCK BSD :) no no i stop that :)
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21:00 < christ|an> hi starlord
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21:03 < starlord> hmmm
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21:48 < rxr> cd
21:48 < rxr> re
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22:35 < d3mian> hi
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22:39 < rxr> shit damn find ...
22:50 < rxr> puh - long live brower chaches ...
22:51 < esden> hi praenti ;)
22:51 < esden> hi all sbtw ;)
22:51 < praenti> hi esden
22:52 < rxr> hi praenti esden ...
22:52 < praenti> thats somehow strange. esden knows when i'm here...
22:52 < esden> hehe ... that is telepathy ;)
22:53 < praenti> could be...
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22:55 < schasi> uh... hi
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23:25 < LocalHero> Hi all
23:25 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
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23:25 < holyolli> moin
23:25 < LocalHero> rxr, hi, whazzup?
23:26 < rxr> LocalHero: nothing - special - just developing ....
23:26 < holyolli> .oO(and havin' a bud... ;-) hi rxr,localhero
23:27 < rxr> hi holyolli 
23:27 < LocalHero> rxr, oki, i think the new siteengine is begining to feel right ;),, Lots of directory scanning and things :).. It would be nice if you could write some .info files and sync over. You dont need to write every one but maybe for the two l8est so i have something to test on :)
23:27 < LocalHero> holyolli, hi :)
23:27 < rxr> LocalHero: ok
23:28 < LocalHero> rxr, well now i have to go to bed. Cya all :)
23:28 < esden> ok I am once more off
23:28 < holyolli> god natt LocalHero
23:28 < esden> cu
23:29 < holyolli> hi and cu esden
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23:29 < holyolli> esden: btw. my server is now back online...you can put the link on the site
23:30 < praenti> ok. i'm also off now. cu
23:30 < holyolli> cu praenti
23:31 < praenti> holyolli: btw. esden has read your line. can you write him a mail?
23:31 < holyolli> praenti: jepp, i will. thx & greetz
23:40 < tcr> hey holyolli
23:40 < tcr> how's things?
23:42 < daja77> re
23:43 * rxr doing a new reference build
23:43 < rxr> daja77: kdemultimeda builds now (you have to rebuild linux24-header again ... )
23:43 < rxr> hi tcr 
23:43 < holyolli> hi tcr
23:44 < holyolli> tcr: nice...thx..back home and that's really nice ;-)
23:44 < daja77> rxr: ah ok :)
23:45 < daja77> rxr: btw bootdisk is ready should I just make cds or add some recent changes
23:46 < rxr> daja77: hm - whatever you like. If you do a svn up you'll get the linux26, gnupg, ... updates, it is up to you to decide whether you want to rebuild them
23:46 < rxr> daja77: it should be ok to have a 2.0.0-dev-meeting-generic without those last minute changes ...
23:47 < rxr> btw - new regression tester results are also already online ...
23:47 < daja77> well i could upload the images on monday
23:47 < rxr> and I'll commit a gimp14 update once the build on this iBook finished ....
23:48 < rxr> after the gimp14 update (and a test installation on x86) I'll tag this 2.0.0-camp 
23:48 < daja77> camp?!
23:49 < tcr> holyolli: for how long?
23:49 < daja77> installation testing, sounds nice
23:49 * daja77 grinning evilly at his laptop
23:50 < rxr> daja77: s/camp/dev-meeting/ - sorry
23:50 < daja77> okis
23:50 < holyolli> tcr: for a longer time - i don
23:51 < daja77> hi tcr, holyolli 
23:51 < holyolli> t need to go to the u.s. anymore during my training
23:51 < holyolli> hi daja77
23:52 < tcr> hi rxr, daja77
23:52 < daja77> rxr: any wishes regarding rt target
23:59 * daja77 just reading a horror story from a mailinglist admin ...
23:59 < rxr> daja77: yes this big fat patch should be downloaded ;-)!
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