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--- Log opened Sun Aug 24 00:00:07 2003
00:01 < daja77> big fat patch
00:03 < rxr> the one lying in this one package dir ...
00:03 < daja77> ah the adeos, didn't noticed it is big
00:03 < rxr> adeos.patch
00:04 < rxr> 100kB or so ?
00:04 < daja77> might be related to the fact that i don't use it 
00:04 < rxr> this _must_ be downloaded ...
00:05 < daja77> well you can delete it for now, it can't be applied anyway atm
00:05 < esden> re hi all
00:05 < daja77> it is just in cvs that's the problem
00:05 < daja77> hi esden *hug*
00:05 < rxr> daja77: ROCK supports CVS checkout in [D] tags ...
00:06 < rxr> or I could put it on some server ...
00:06 < daja77> but i don't want a complete rtai checkout
00:06 < rxr> you coudl checkout this part ...
00:06 < rxr> module or however they store it in cvs ...
00:07 < daja77> well delete it, and i'll check next week
00:07 < esden> rehug daja77 
00:09 < daja77> it would do no harm, cos the target works per default with rthal5g patch
00:13 < esden> ok ... the link to the alpha iso is now online
00:13 < esden> thanks holyolli 
00:14 < rxr> ok - which alpha iso? - the only working one ?
00:16 < esden> ack
00:16 < esden> rxr: could you mirror it?
00:16 < esden> I am sucking it too ... ;)
00:16 < rxr> esden: I already have it on the server - wait a few seconds and it will be on all mirrors ...
00:16 < esden> but I have no possibility to put it online anywhore
00:17 < esden> rxr: that is very good
00:17 < daja77> esden sucking, why i have forseen such things ...
00:17 < esden> so it will be avalable over iso.rocklinux.org?
00:17 < rxr> yes
00:17 < rxr> which version has the iso ?
00:19 < esden> rock-1.5.17-alpha-base.iso
00:20 < rxr> esden: md5sum ;-) ?
00:22 < esden> urgh ... I do not have one yet
00:23 < esden> it is still sucking ;)
00:23 < esden> daja77: you do not know many things about me ;)
00:24 < daja77> esden: and that's after meeting ...
00:26 < esden> ack 
00:26 < esden> i will show you new thing when we see each other next time ;R)
00:26 < esden> -R
00:26 < daja77> there are things on esden i don't wanna see
00:29 < rxr> esden: ok - now it is syncing to iso.rocklinux.de
00:29 < esden> daja77: *GG*
00:29 < esden> rxr: very good
00:30 < rxr> I need a KVM switch ...
00:30 * daja77 glad that clifford responded to Mike
00:31 < rxr> esden: the iso is located in:
00:31 < rxr> 1.5.17/generic/
00:32 < rxr> in the offical ISO tree ...
00:33 * daja77 lurking in #redhat chan
00:34 < rxr> daja77: huh ?
00:34 < daja77> just found out that it is one of mike's chans
00:34 < esden> daja77: ???
00:34 < daja77> and /me is nosy
00:35 < daja77> clue level seems to be higher than in #gentoo, which isn't really hard
00:35 < daja77> *gg* esden, ts you have of course to talk around there
00:36 < esden> o_O
00:36 < esden> I better say nothing ... I get only flamed
00:36 < tcr> 1. I find it just plain wrong to stalk mike
00:36 < daja77> dunno if you'll get flamed, but chanserv says read the faq
00:36 < tcr> 2. I find it really pathetic to make claims about some userbase of some chan
00:37 < tcr> Just stay here, and enjoy that you are /not/ treated with any deeper dumbness
00:37 < tcr> Except for mine of course! ;)
00:37 < daja77> stalking, man what have you smoked, i have one or two questions anyway
00:38 < daja77> he left rock, he didn't say, man i don't talk to you anymore
00:39 < daja77> i didn't came in and said hi mike, just lurking a bit, that's all
00:39 < daja77> and 2. the could be no dumber userbase than in #gentoo
00:39 < daja77> there
00:42 < daja77> cool one from saudi arabia
00:43 < tcr> Of course he didn't say that, but if he actually wanted to talk to us, he'd be here
00:43 * daja77 wondering why sco hasn't proved all linux hackers have connections to osama bin laden, so the us military can kill us ...
00:44 < daja77> I have always been in one of Mike's own chans anyway ...
00:47 < daja77> + I am not willing to discuss this any further
00:47 < rxr> esden: sync finished ...
00:52 < esden> rxr: good!
00:54 < daja77> lol that faq is funny
00:54 * -> esden adding the link to the alpha page
00:58 < esden> link added
01:00 < esden> rxr: will there be any nice index on the iso.rocklinux.org site?
01:00 < esden> so you can search for alpha/ppc/x86 isos ... or target or so?
01:03 < daja77> netrunner made a really scaring esden photo
01:05 < esden> o_O where?
01:06 < daja77> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/publicgallery/rocklinux/devmeeting0308_small/img_2592-small-21-0.html
01:06 < tcr> sexy, sexy!
01:07 < esden> urgh ... that is really scary
01:07 < daja77> the rest of the pics are cool too
01:07 < daja77> :)
01:07 < esden> I am asking myself how much I smoked there ;)
01:07 < daja77> you were smoking, can't believe it
01:07 < daja77> :)
01:09 < esden> daja77: that was only a joke ...
01:09 < daja77> ahahaha, ic
01:09 < daja77> you could be the rocklinux mascot, muhahaha
01:10 < daja77> rotfl
01:11 < daja77> q: are you running a dns or web server
01:11 < daja77> a: yes ... or so i am told
01:12 < daja77> esden: *gg*
01:12 * daja77 just escaped too
01:15 < rxr> esden: Localhero is working on a nice index ...
01:15 < rxr> (this is not my job ... ;-)
01:19 * daja77 goes to bed
01:19 < daja77> cu
01:22 < rxr> cu daja77 
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01:36 < snyke> esden: ?
01:37 < esden> snyke: ?
01:37 < snyke> ah cool
01:37 < snyke> still there
01:37 < snyke> whereis zero?
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02:24 < rxr> re
02:24 < rxr> so the new 100Mhz PowerPC now has a ROCK boot partition ...
02:24 < rxr> err - well it had a old 1.3.x I accidently earased  - but the new one works flawwlessly now ...
02:38 < esden> hmm ... the astaro firewall looks very interesting
02:38 < esden> I think we should let inspire ourselves with that ;)
02:47 < rxr> esden: ok /me waitig for a patch :-)
02:52 < rxr> ping esden ?
02:59 < esden> hehe ... some time ;)
02:59 < esden> rxr: /me currently _TRYING_ to fix perl under dietlibc >_<
02:59 < esden> that really sux 
02:59 < esden> I hate perl _and_ I hate glibc!!!
02:59 < esden> and the patches I got are not really helping ...
03:02 < rxr> ah ;-)
03:02 < rxr> I thought you already felt asleep ...
03:03 < esden> nooo .. /me not ;)
03:03 * -> esden searching for vsprintf ...
03:05 < rxr> I need a KVM switch ...
03:07 < esden> argh it is there .... why does that fscking perl not find it >_<
03:34 * SMP made a really crude patch to make gnuchash compile
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03:46 < esden> ok .. I am off for bed
03:46 < esden> good night everyone
03:47 < SMP> cu esden 
03:48 < rxr> hi SMP
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04:08 < rxr> good night *
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09:40 < starlord> anyone awake?
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10:34 < starlord> hmm,why ./scripts/Config allow to modify kernel options?
10:34 < starlord> doesnt allow that is
10:42 < christ|an> guten morgen
10:48 < starlord> morning
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12:50 < holyolli> moin
13:07 < rxr> moin
13:07 < rxr> starlord: what do you mean with the kernel options stuff above ?
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13:20 < rxr> oO - today is flaswar day on the list ?
13:21 < rxr> s/flaswar/flamewar/ ...
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14:18 < dennis> moin
14:22 < rxr> moin dennis 
14:27 < dennis> hi rxr
14:48 * rxr is again writing code for XFree86 ...
14:48 < rxr> damn incomplete stuff ...
14:54 < daja77> moin
14:55 < holyolli> moin daja77
14:55 < daja77> moin holyolli 
14:57 < rxr> moin daja77 
14:59 < daja77> huhu rxr 
14:59 < daja77> omg christian and owl responding to helpless user
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15:09 < holyolli> re
15:24 < rxr> hi holyolli 
15:28 < daja77> if that would be a german list i would write a "merkbefreiung" for owl 
15:30 < holyolli> hi rxr
15:30 < holyolli> daja77: *lol*
15:30 < holyolli> is she still building her own distro? ;)
15:32 < rxr> daja77: I decided we rename devmeeting to -rc1
15:33 < rxr> holyolli: this depends on the day you ask her ...
15:33 < holyolli> rxr: *fg*
15:33 < rxr> rock-net will not show up in the next days anyway ...
15:34 < daja77> rxr: good idea
15:35 < daja77> ok contributed to the flame ...
15:37 < daja77> boy I am fed up with this crap complaining stuff
15:39 * daja77 just wondering who is so family dominated to even put the family in from:
15:46 < esden> good morning everyone ;)
15:46 < esden> flame? where? can I add some gasoline to it?
15:47 < daja77> yepp owl is involved
15:49 < esden> o_O
15:49 < daja77> hi esden 
15:49 < esden> daja77: rlml?
15:49 < daja77> see ml
15:49 < esden> good
15:49 < daja77> but guess it could be ended as well, cos everything is already said
15:59 < esden> urgh rxr is hard ;)
16:00 < daja77> but right
16:01 < esden> yes daja77 he is right ...that is what is the hardest ;)
16:01 < rxr> hm - what have i missed?
16:02 < esden> rxr: nothing ... your reply on owl's mail is hard ... but right ...
16:04 < daja77> esden: she is complaining anyway if we are friendly or not
16:08 < starlord> hmm,x and linux24 doesnt build
16:09 < daja77> O_o what optimization?
16:10 < starlord> and ./scripts/Config doesnt allow to modify kernel options,generic(no optimization)
16:12 < esden> daja77: right ...
16:21 < starlord> hmm,acctually x doesnt fail on compile,it fails on install,and kernel24 fails on install too,depmod:/lib/modules/2.4.21-rock/modules.dep.new is not an ELF file
16:22 < starlord> and Config does allow to edit kernel options but doesnt save the new values
16:37 < rxr> starlord: you use the desktop target, right ?
16:38 < starlord> yep
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16:45 < esden> ok /me leaving for billard and munich ;)
16:45 < esden> cu guys
16:45 < holyolli> cu esden
16:45 < rxr> starlord: this might be due to the desktop target also provides kernel configs ...
16:45 < rxr> starlord: I need to take a look - and might need to implement this differently ...
16:45 < rxr> starlord: what do you want to modify in your config ?
16:46 < starlord> rxr:everything :)
16:46 < starlord> rxr:i dont need that just right now,i have working copy of rock so
16:47 < starlord> rxr:but in the future it would be nice to show kernel configs like in make menuconfig,might not need that big of choices....
16:49 < starlord> but the X i need,any details what might be wrong,all i get is: mkdir: ´/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/geometry/hp' exists but is not a directory, and this is in final(install) phase
16:55 < rxr> starlord: hm - this is a vanilla build of the package or did you modifications ?
16:55 < rxr> you installed an old ISO, right ?
16:58 < starlord> i used beta6 to install and i have updated someof the packages
16:59 < starlord> but i need x to install right because everytime you build a package that depends on x it trys to build x first and it's getting.....
17:00 * starlord is away....
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17:07 < rxr> starlord: we might have fixed the /etc/X11/* /usr/X11/lib/...* mismatch after beta6 
17:07 < rxr> (this mismatch is the default in XFree - and we do not liked it ...)
17:07 < rxr> the only quick fix that comes to mind is removiing the relevant links/dirs and rebuild X ...
17:08 < starlord> i'm trying to rebuild x currently but it fails on that error
17:09 < starlord> hmm,what links/dirs should i remove?
17:11 < starlord> or should i remove package completly with mine?
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17:19 < daja77> what a nice joke, someone just told me rh has _new_ xfree packages in rawhide (4.3.0-22) rotfl
17:20 < rxr> daja77: this redhat package also contains many chunks out of CVS - it will not be that different from our 4.3.99.7 ...
17:20 < daja77> yeah but that version crippling by distribution sucks
17:26 * daja77 currently propagating rocklinux to mdlug
17:26 < daja77> :)
17:29 < daja77> cool somebody just explaining me why gentoo sucks
17:29 < holyolli> daja77: and why?
17:29 < daja77> may i quote?
17:30 < daja77> 17:26 <@safedin> no really... some of the ebuilds have missed depedencies... wrong deps... (claim to need foo-1.2 when it
17:30 < daja77>                  can work with all versions of foo...)
17:30 < daja77> 17:27 <@daja77> that's why hard coded deps suck
17:30 < daja77> 17:27 <@safedin> it's really annoying.. as, for example sometimes when I try to install a gtk/gnome package it will want to
17:30 < daja77>                  install the old 1.x version of gnome/gtk...
17:30 < daja77> 17:27 <@safedin> when that package should be build with the newer gtk 2.x
17:30 < daja77> 17:28 <@safedin> grr.. really annoying.. I hate that shit... have to edit it by hand...
17:30 < daja77> 17:28 <@daja77> ah now i see what pisses people off from gentoo
17:30 < daja77> 17:28 <@safedin> .. plus the poor QA...
17:30 < daja77> 17:28 <@safedin> sometimes the packages aren't tested as much as they should be...
17:31 < daja77> cool safedin studying the handbook ...
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17:33 < daja77> hi safedin 
17:33 < safedin> 'eh daja77...
17:33 < daja77> :)
17:34 < safedin> hmm.. how much free space is 'a lot of free space' hehe.. I'm thinking 10 gigs should be enough?
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17:37 < daja77> hi clifford 
17:37 < clifford> hi daja.
17:37 < holyolli> hi clifford
17:38 < clifford> hi.
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17:38 < dennis> hi clifford 
17:38 < clifford> hi dennis, hi ALL ...  ;-)
17:39 < daja77> guess i haven't said how much I enjoyed the meeting ;-)
17:40 < clifford> well - so you did now I guess .... ;-)
17:41 < daja77> think so ...
17:41 < clifford> Anyways - it was a lot of fun and I think I cant wait a whole year until the next meeting ...
17:42 < daja77> clifford: i think i write that parsing stuff for the iso txt file in perl, unfortunately family and friend demanding me today so i can't do it today
17:43 < daja77> it would just rock to have ready labels for the rc1 images
17:43 < clifford> why in perl? (well - that's better than ruby or python)
17:44 < daja77> it is high level enough, and cdlabelgen is in perl, so you need it anyway in order to do this
17:44 < daja77> and yes i don't like perl very much
17:45 < rxr> hi clifford 
17:45 < clifford> ok - if cdlabelgen is in perl too i see no problem ...  ;-)
17:45 < clifford> hi rxr.
17:45 < daja77> ;-)
17:51 < daja77> unfortunately i have to go
17:51 < daja77> cu
17:51 < holyolli> cu daja77
17:51 < clifford> cu daja77
17:57 < safedin> ok... I'm trying to build Rock Linux, just wonder, is there a way to 'fine tune' wich packages are going to be installed?
17:58 < safedin> er... s/installed/built
17:58 < rxr> safedin: yes - uding the custom package selection in the expert sectin - see ./scripts/config
17:59 < rxr> oh my - I should not have started to try to port the missing S3 driver bits out from XFree-3 into the XFree-4 driver
17:59 < rxr> this get's far too messy ...
17:59 < safedin> thanks
18:06 < rxr> hm - if I realy should run this modifed driver - when I once have it in a compiling state - suid root ?!? ...
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18:26 < starlord> hmm,anyone have ati and has hw acceleration in x? any tips & tricks would be helpfull
18:28 < rxr> hm - the XFree people really mangeled the driver from 3.3.6 to 4.x - it is not really worser than more more structured ... ?!?
18:28 < rxr> anyway I'm shortly off ...
18:29 < rxr> s/the driver/the S3 driver/ ...
19:04 < clifford> cu.
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19:52 < v1r422> hi
19:53 < v1r422> hi dennis!
19:53 < dennis> hey udo :D
19:54 < v1r422> jo :)
19:54 < dennis> how are things?
19:54 < v1r422> nice :)
19:54 < v1r422> tomorrow starts my school 
19:54 < dennis> school?
19:55 < v1r422> dont you know ?
19:55 < dennis> no
19:55 < v1r422> i begin to learn again ;)
19:55 < dennis> let's query ;-)
19:55 < v1r422> technican - mechanical
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21:10 < holyolli> hi dennis, tcr
21:11 < tcr> moin holyolli
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21:16 < dennis> hi holyolli 
21:26 < esden> hi all
21:26 < dennis> hi esden 
21:27 < holyolli> hi esden
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21:32 < esden> holyolli: you have got mail ;)
21:32 < holyolli> esden: jepps. just read it. :)
21:32 < holyolli> thx
21:33 < esden> good ;)
21:34 < holyolli> esden: how's your kernel-compile going? i'm now running 2.4.21 on my alpha at it seems to run nice..
21:35 < holyolli> even the smp-patch isn't needed anymore
21:36 < esden> holyolli: I have not tryed since camp ... I had to meet all possible friends of mine ... and now I am fighting perl under dietlibc
21:36 < esden> I will not start to hack on alpha till I have dietlibc running
21:36 < esden> I always jump between projects and that is not good ;)
21:36 < holyolli> ah. tell me, if you need some binaries...
21:36 < esden> holyolli: I will bug you for sure ;)
21:40 < holyolli> esden: ntw. speaking of the developers gallery...bremen is _not_ in NRW... ;)
21:41 < esden> o_O
21:41 < esden> I got that info in that form ...
21:41 < esden> I am only cut and pasting the info I get ;)
21:41 < holyolli> jaja... ;-)
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22:09 < christ|an> re :) 
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22:46 < Davitelj> hy everyone
22:46 < Davitelj> i have problems installing rock linux onto my computer
22:46 < Davitelj> i downloaded drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
22:47 < Davitelj> and the second disk
22:47 < Davitelj> but when i boot from the first one
22:47 < Davitelj> it says kernel panic no init found
22:47 < Davitelj> what to do?
22:47 < Davitelj> can anyone help me?
22:48 < Davitelj> plz?
22:48 < tcr> Hmm
22:49 < tcr> mom
22:55 < Davitelj> ???
22:56 < tcr> Just watched a movie which has ended now :)
22:56 < Davitelj> :)
22:57 < tcr> Did you just press enter?
22:57 < Davitelj> yup
22:57 < tcr> Are on another box atm?
22:57 < Davitelj> <tcr> Are on another box atm? <-- ????
22:58 < Davitelj> atm?
22:58 < tcr> at the moment
22:58 < Davitelj> oh
22:58 < Davitelj> no
22:58 < tcr> Do you need to reboot
22:58 < Davitelj> yup
22:58 < tcr> Ok
22:58 < tcr> try: linux initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/ram devfs=nocompat init=/linuxrc rw
22:58 < Davitelj> wow
22:58 < Davitelj> thnx
22:59 < Davitelj> if i dont come back it succeded
22:59 < Davitelj> if i come.... let's hoe i dont
22:59 < Davitelj> :
22:59 < Davitelj> :)
22:59 < tcr> Good luck
22:59 < Davitelj> thnx
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23:09 < Davitelj> :****
23:09 < Davitelj> ups
23:09 < Davitelj> :(((((
23:09 < Davitelj> i hate this keyboard
23:09 < Davitelj> but
23:09 < Davitelj> that thing did not suceed
23:10 < Davitelj> now it is complaining on not founding reiserfs
23:11 < Davitelj> tcr
23:15 < tcr> hm
23:15 < tcr> mom
23:16 < rxr> hi tcr 
23:16 < rxr> Davitelj: which ISO did you download ?
23:17 < tcr> Davitelj: read the paragraphe in the middle: https://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20030824.071303.5a86f370.html
23:18 < tcr> beginning with "so - to the camp version"
23:18 < tcr> The excerpts of error messages, are those the same you just encountered?
23:18 < tcr> rxr: drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
23:22 < rxr> damn - have I updloaded the unfixed version ... - all this travleing the last weeks especially with all those slow ISDN lines was too much - damn
23:28 < rxr> Davitelj: I'll invetigate and fix this soon - but first I want to get my work on the XFree's S3 driver finished ...
23:31 < tcr> Oh well. I think I'll better go to bed now. Have to wake up quite earlily tomorrow, because I'll see the doctor
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23:37 < christ|an> hi dennis
23:37 < christ|an> wb
23:37 < dennis> hi christ|an 
23:38 < christ|an> how are you?
23:39 < dennis> not bad, thanks. and you?
23:39 < christ|an> well :) 
23:40 < christ|an> what are you doing? :) 
23:41 < dennis> just playing a bit with a cobalt raq4
23:41 < christ|an> ahja :) 
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