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00:24 < daja77> rxr: good reply
00:25 < daja77> btw by reading it there might be a simple solution for rt target
00:27 < daja77> what if i just drop it as a target, the target does nothing than triggering the "enable realtime" button and some package selection anyway
00:28 < daja77> it was made to work with every target, so everybody can just hit the button and do package selection for him/herself
00:29 < daja77> i could do a small iso with the rtai package and patched kernel which could be downloaded to demonstrate its features
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00:34 < Mike1> re
00:34 < jsaw> hi Mike1
00:34 < daja77> wb Mike1 ;-)
00:34 < Mike1> hello jsaw
00:34 < jsaw> good that u'r still around
00:35 < Mike1> thank you daja77
00:35 < Mike1> jsaw: i try to come around every once in a while
00:36 < rxr> hi Mike1 !
00:36 < Mike1> hello rxr
00:36 < daja77> guess i was a bit offtopic in #woden ;-)
00:36 < rxr> daja77: ACK !
00:36 * Mike1 thanks all people for the kind replies to his retirement mail
00:36 < daja77> ack for what
00:36 < rxr> daja77: the rt patch
00:36 < Mike1> daja77: yeah 1/2 abit
00:37 < rxr> I apply the package part (without the ?00kB patch ...
00:37 < rxr> Mike1: how are you ?
00:37 < Mike1> rxr: i'm very good thank you, and yourself?
00:37 < daja77> ok, so the rt button should be in as well
00:38 < daja77> I only made a target cos this was my first intention, but when esden came up with the idea to be able to apply rt to every target, the rt target was only an empty wrapper
00:39 -!- A-Dur [~questi@dsl-213-023-013-055.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
00:39 < A-Dur> hi
00:39 < daja77> Mike1: tell me when i start to be offtopic, will stop then
00:39 < dennis> hi A-Dur
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00:39 < Mike1> daja77: well i had no problem with our discussion.
00:39 < tsa> hi all.
00:39 < dennis> hi tsa
00:39 < Mike1> hola Sebastian
00:40 < tsa> hi Mike1
00:40 < daja77> hi tsa
00:40 < rxr> Mike1: aside from strange FUD on the mailing-list quite well ...
00:40 < tsa> hehe
00:40 < Mike1> rxr: you mean owl's mails?
00:41 < rxr> hi tsa
00:41 < rxr> Mike1: yes
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00:41 < Mike1> rxr: daja77 just updated me a bit on it, it really sux
00:41 < rxr> Mike1: btw. do you want to stay on the svn commit mail list ?
00:41 < Mike1> rxr: yeah it wil be nice to keep updated, if you don't have a problem with it i would like to be there
00:42 < rxr> Mike1: great!
00:42 < tsa> rxr: got the mail regarding chrony?
00:42 < Mike1> rxr: maybe i can provide some ideas everyonce in a while
00:44 < rxr> chrony ? no - not yet
00:44 < tsa> hm..ok
00:44 < rxr> Mike1: sure - nice
00:45 * rxr just debugging some moments ...
00:45 < Mike1> rxr: as i told you the other day i suggest you to let jsaw take over my work for gnome*
00:45 < Mike1> rxr: regarding the 2 targets i maintained, well they are stable so..
00:46 < rxr> sure - no problem
00:47 < daja77> rxr: which package i have to rebuild in order to get kdemultimedia working?
00:47 < rxr> linux24-header
00:47 < daja77> okis
00:52 < daja77> hmm strange seems not to work
00:53 < daja77> good idea to start a rebuild?
00:53 < rxr> it built here ...
00:53 < rxr> daja77: nope - please take a look why it is still failing
00:53 < rxr> exact error - and check if the linux headers are correct ...
00:54 < daja77> Removing old error logs ...
00:54 < daja77> -> Removing var/adm/logs/5-kdemultimedia31.err ...
00:54 < daja77> chroot: bin/bash: No such file or directory
00:54 < daja77>
00:54 < daja77> Package build ended abnormally!
00:54 < daja77> !> Usually a package build creates eighter a *.log
00:54 < daja77> !> or a *.err file. Neither the 1st nor the 2nd is
00:54 < daja77> !> there. So I'm going to create a *.err file now
00:54 < daja77> !> and abort the build process.
00:54 < daja77> bash-2.05b#
00:54 < daja77> linux24-header doesn't rebuild
00:55 < rxr> no bin/bash?
00:55 < rxr> what have you done ?
00:55 < jsaw> daja77: I usually remove build/*/root/var/adm/logs/[01]-* if that happens.
00:55 < daja77> aha
00:56 < jsaw> rxr: it sometimes happens, but I have no clue...
00:56 < daja77> the errs are already removed, and the script seems to fail to remove it again, which sounds logical to me
00:58 * daja77 bangs head against the wall, linux24-headers are not built in stage 5
01:00 < rxr> nope only once
01:00 < rxr> but where is your bash gone ?
01:00 < daja77> no idea
01:00 < daja77> i haven't removed anything
01:01 < daja77> *aaaaaargh*
01:02 < daja77> no wonder when build dir is empty cos it is now called rc2 >_<
01:04 < daja77> where can i change that
01:04 < rxr> daja77: erhm - you should not use _this_ revision for an official -rc1 iso
01:05 < rxr> could you please swtich to my tag?
01:05 < rxr> (the version is in scripts/parse-config - but PLEASE do not touch this!=
01:05 < rxr> )
01:05 < jsaw> remove the *rc2*, then move *rc1* to *rc2*
01:05 < daja77> and bein killed by rxr, no ...
01:06 < jsaw> (if u r doing and iso, which is to be released... then of course not)
01:08 < daja77> woohoo subversion rocks
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01:11 < daja77> ok i rebuilt all failing packages plu the new ones
01:11 < daja77> plus
01:11 < daja77> rebuild
01:12 < Freak> t
01:12 < Freak> ?
01:12 < Freak> past or present
01:12 < daja77> i still have to do it
01:12 < Freak> will rebuild, am going to..
01:13 < Freak> *g
01:13 < daja77> temporal typo
01:13 < daja77> well i am starting right now so :P
01:14 < Freak> so you are rebuilding now *runs
01:14 * Mike1 needs a bdb-4 package.. anyone can share it with me?
01:14 < Mike1> bdb4.gem file*
01:15 < daja77> Freak: <voice of evil emperor>noone likes a smartass</voice>
01:15 < jsaw> Mike1: gcc-3.3.1 only, want it anyway
01:15 < jsaw> ?
01:15 < daja77> Mike1: you can have mine
01:15 < Freak> daja77: hehehe
01:15 < Mike1> jsaw: no thanks, i already have that one
01:15 < Mike1> daja77: yes where can i download it from?
01:15 < daja77> mom
01:15 < Mike1> daja77: query if you like
01:15 < Freak> daja77: i am in no need of anyone liking me ;)
01:16 < daja77> Freak: you know that movie?
01:16 < Freak> no?
01:16 < Freak> tell me
01:16 < daja77> the empire strikes backyard, watched it at dev meeting
01:16 < Freak> i used to call myself a movie-nerd :)
01:16 < Freak> backyard? never seen.. pitty!
01:16 < daja77> https://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/backyard/
01:17 < Freak> sweeet
01:18 < daja77> Mike1: https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/mike
01:18 < Freak> dah'nloadink.
01:18 < daja77> could be slow
01:19 < Freak> it is.
01:19 < Mike1> daja77: its ok thanks you so much
01:19 < Freak> daja77: mirrah?
01:19 < daja77> i was talking of my server
01:19 < Freak> whoops.
01:19 < daja77> dunno if the have mirrors
01:19 < daja77> they
01:19 < Freak> tho.. its slow.
01:19 < Freak> anyone?
01:19 < daja77> but wget will manage it ;-)
01:20 < Freak> manage what?
01:20 < Freak> accellerating the download speed? i dont think so :)
01:20 * Mike1 started killing daja77's badnwidth
01:20 < daja77> Freak: manage to get it save but slow ;-)
01:20 < daja77> Mike1: enjoy
01:20 < Mike1> daja77: thank you very much my friend
01:21 < Freak> daja77: heh
01:21 * daja77 shutting down mutella, so that mike has some bandwith
01:21 < Freak> =)
01:22 < rxr> this is a bad joke
01:22 < rxr> this screen package has quite a broken configure
01:22 < rxr> and this autoconf stuff really stinks
01:22 < Mike1> rxr: owls?
01:22 < rxr> (I have not said this today, right?)
01:22 < rxr> Mike1: nope the one I just have in a PowerPC gdb ...
01:23 < Mike1> rxr: oh.
01:23 < daja77> guess the guy who invented autocnf now lives in another galaxy and is laughing his ass off by watching us using this crap
01:23 < Mike1> daja77: download nearly over
01:23 < rxr> I really really know that the next generation version og GSMP will not contain any auto* crap ...
01:23 < rxr> daja77: <H1>ACK</H1>
01:23 < rxr> + my CSS for <H1> ....
01:23 < daja77> lol
01:24 < rxr> oOoOO
01:25 < Mike1> daja77: ready thanks
01:25 < daja77> *cough*
01:25 < daja77> bash-2.05b# scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg generic -newdelete
01:25 < daja77> Scheduling package '9b521254d8dcfa7ccc603e44ff2a6765' for rebuild ...
01:25 < daja77> No such package: 9b521254d8dcfa7ccc603e44ff2a6765
01:25 < daja77> bash-2.05b#
01:26 < daja77> Mike1: np
01:26 < Mike1> daja77: enable gnutella again :)
01:26 < daja77> done
01:27 < Mike1> :)
01:27 < daja77> more uploads than downloads today ...
01:28 < Mike1> well..
01:33 < daja77> O_o just noticed that i just selected pentium optimization, yuck
01:34 -!- safedin [~safedin@nic-29-c98-17.twmi.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
01:34 < daja77> hope this does no harm
01:35 < daja77> safedin: on which distro you are building rock?
01:35 < safedin> gentoo
01:35 < daja77> hehe the first who tries
01:36 < daja77> so you have a devfs enabled kernel
01:36 < safedin> yes
01:37 < daja77> otherwise the paranoia checks had aborted the build anyway
01:37 < daja77> rxr: ok all borken/new packages are bein built now
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01:38 < daja77> gn8 you all
01:39 < safedin> night daja77
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01:46 < rxr> good night daja77
02:05 < Freak> daja77
02:06 < Freak> dang missed him :)
02:06 < Freak> just saw the "no one likes a smartass" scene :)
02:18 < mnemoc> rxr?
02:18 < mnemoc> (re)
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02:21 < tsa> n8
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02:27 < rxr> hi mnemoc
02:27 < rxr> n8 ts
02:27 < rxr> +a
02:27 < mnemoc> +a?
02:27 < rxr> n8 ts_a_ ;-)
02:27 < mnemoc> :)
02:28 < mnemoc> rxr: have you build bootdisk reciently?
02:29 < mnemoc> here (rh72) -nostdinc is making kiss 'stddef.h: No such file or directory'
02:29 < mnemoc> my problem or bug?
02:33 < rxr> mnemoc: here it built ...
02:33 < rxr> on PowerPC - but it should also have passed the x86 build ...
02:33 < rxr> a th
02:33 < rxr> err rh
02:34 < rxr> then this might be some strange conincidence with the RedHat system
02:34 < rxr> which stage is this error happening ?
02:34 < mnemoc> 1
02:34 < mnemoc> redhat :)
02:34 < mnemoc> (no dietlibc installed on local system)
02:35 < rxr> ah ok
02:35 < rxr> coudl seems that the wrong headers are used - could you try to look this up ?
02:36 < rxr> alternatively I have still the TODO item: move the regression tester into a dRock-1.4 chroot to track most cross-build old-gcc old-glibc no diet available problems ...
02:37 < mnemoc> how can i see what headers are used?
02:37 -!- clifford [~clifford@M126P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
02:38 < mnemoc> hi clifford
02:38 < mnemoc> nice to see you here
02:39 < clifford> hi. I can't sleep... ;-(
02:40 < rxr> hi clifford !
02:40 < rxr> mnemoc: the include pathes are mangled in the dietlibc/parse-config*
02:40 < clifford> hi rene.
02:41 < rxr> clifford: I just fixed yet another va_arg issue - this time in screen
02:41 < clifford> ah! is that the bug owl was complaining about?
02:42 < rxr> nope - she was complaining about random lock ups whatever
02:42 < clifford> hmm....
02:42 < rxr> I found this just when I wanted to cut'n paste the version into the mail
02:42 < rxr> and oops my PowerPC version does not yet a version string .... *bang*
02:43 < clifford> maybe we will find mor such bugs using powerpc.
02:43 < clifford> intel doesn't care about this kind of broken va_args usage, so ...
02:44 < rxr> yep ...
02:44 < rxr> btw i thing your pine fix is not correct
02:44 < rxr> fromthe manpage I think you need to use va_copy to pass a real copy to the printf functon ...
02:47 < clifford> there shouldn;t be any difference between using va_copy or two va_start .. va_end blocks (i think)
02:47 < rxr> clifford: and continue VHDL now ?
02:48 < clifford> no. I'm in my bed downstairs and implementing misc/pkgsel/ ..
02:48 < clifford> ??? nice colored prompts in the server target ???
02:49 < rxr> clifford: they did cp desktop server
02:49 < rxr> and started the package selection ....
02:51 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - the i2c patch was skipped due to a typo in my latest lx_config change ...
02:51 < rxr> fixed now - revision 1186.
02:51 < mnemoc> cool :)
02:54 < mnemoc> i was trying to find an error on desc's [O], never checked patchfiles loop
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02:57 < rxr> clifford: not only that Valentin and I set together and scheduled the future GSMP work including a BOF every 2-3 weeks, we'll also have gsmp.org soon ... ;-)
03:00 < mnemoc> question: why iproute2 includes dietlibc headers from / instead of $root?
03:00 < clifford> rxr: cool!
03:01 < rxr> mnemoc: this is not intended, so bug -> typo or so ...
03:01 < mnemoc> ok
03:01 < mnemoc> btw, nothing is appended for kiss?
03:01 < mnemoc> s/?/!
03:02 < rxr> no - only the default options - compiled nice on x86 and powerpc and with my fixes to the code also runs (instead of core-dumping) ...
03:02 < rxr> the case in dietlibc/parse-config only appends additional options, the default options are always used and appended/set before and after the case ...
03:05 < mnemoc> i'm quite confused about this...
03:05 < mnemoc> no -I is appended (cmd_wrapper) for kiss
03:05 < rxr> hm
03:06 < mnemoc> stddef.h is on include/linux and tools.cross/include/diet-include
03:06 < mnemoc> what location should i append? diet's?
03:07 < rxr> yes
03:07 < rxr> but the diet stuff should alredy use the diet include
03:07 < rxr> and in parse-config we have:
03:07 < rxr> var_insert CC_WRAPPER_FILTER "|" "sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,$root&,'"
03:09 < mnemoc> how should that sed get reflected on logs?
03:09 < SMP> hmm, nobody likes my tasks in flyspray ;)
03:09 < dennis> gn8 all
03:09 < rxr> SMP: which task do you mean exactly ?
03:10 < rxr> n8 dennis
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03:10 < rxr> the glibc22 security issue is yours ;-) ...
03:10 < rxr> ah - this reminds me to test sha1 passwords in apache ...
03:10 < mnemoc> brb
03:10 < SMP> yes. I mean all the others
03:10 < rxr> I need to write so many mails ...
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03:11 < rxr> clifford: it is not possible to saeach for creator ? ;-)
03:12 < SMP> clifford: by the way I investigated sysenter. it is supposed to work with linux 2.6 and glibc 2.3 (built against 2.6 headers) - but I can't get glibc to actually use that code
03:12 < SMP> it's there, I see which defines are needed, but no idea yet which is missing
03:13 < clifford> rxr: not yet - you can add it on https://flyspray.rocks.cc/bts/
03:13 < clifford> SMP: hmm... I didn't try it so far (just seen the defs in the headers some time ago)
03:15 < SMP> on this occasion I made some hacks to compile glibc with NPTL - there is a stupid circular dependency there
03:16 < SMP> you need gcc 3.3 to build NPTL, but to build gcc 3.3 you need a threading lib
03:16 < clifford> rxr: <aol>sie habon post!</aol>
03:16 < SMP> so building linuxthreads in stage 0, NPTL after that
03:17 < clifford> huch? thats .. errr... 1000 hackvalue points for smp .... ;-)
03:18 < SMP> nah
03:18 < jsaw_> SMP: is sysenter code not compiled, or does your cpu not support it?
03:18 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
03:18 < clifford> #!/usr/bin/perl
03:18 < clifford> $|=1;@_=split//,"Lhnvx\tes Drjuw \@uptwif";for(0..$#_){
03:18 < clifford> join("",splice(@_,0,$_+1))=~/(.*)/;print"\r$1";splice@_
03:18 < clifford> ,0,0,split(//,$1);print$_[$_]=chr(ord($_[$_])^($_%8))while
03:18 < clifford> ++$_<=$#_;select(undef,undef,undef,0.25);}print"\n";
03:19 * clifford want to win the LUGA perl contest... ;-)
03:19 < SMP> my manual editing in /usr/include/linux at the right moment to get glibc to build against them is more hackvalue
03:20 < SMP> clifford: is it a JAPH?
03:20 < clifford> JAPH ?
03:20 < clifford> what's that?
03:20 < SMP> Just Another Perl Hacker
03:20 < Ge0rG> ,oO( what is the perl analogy to the obfuscated c contest? -- cpan! )
03:21 < SMP> JAPH is the art to write obfuscated code that prints this text
03:21 < clifford> It's just some code I wrote today in a free minute at work
03:21 < clifford> It prints out "Linux User Group Austria".
03:21 < SMP> jsaw: the sysenter code does not get compiled
03:22 < SMP> glibc does not support switching between int 0x80 and sysenter
03:22 < clifford> but HOW? that's the question... ;-)
03:22 < clifford> SMP: Doesn't ld-linux.so support loading different libraries depending on the cpu architecture?
03:22 < SMP> but there is a third method in the kernel, vsyscall. is automagically selects int 0x80 or sysenter code depending on the CPU capabilities
03:23 < SMP> however, glibc does not support this yet
03:23 < SMP> but it should be very easy to add. just a call 0xfffff000 or so
03:23 < SMP> the kernel always maps a page with the correct code at that location
03:24 < jsaw> so probably because sysenter is not safe, glibc doesn't support it yet?
03:24 < clifford> does that conform to the ELF standard???
03:25 < SMP> jsaw: sysenter code is there and is is supposed to compile (and there have been binaries posted)
03:25 < SMP> clifford: no idea. what does the ELF std. have to say about how to make syscalls anyway?
03:25 < jsaw> Mail on LKML: [PATCH] Pentium Pro - sysenter - doublefault
03:25 < rxr> clifford: where does the minimal list come from? Owl's target?
03:26 < SMP> hmm.
03:27 < clifford> rxr: it's target/minimal/config.in plus the TITLE line.
03:27 < rxr> so I should remove the minimal target ?
03:27 < clifford> (just as example - you _might_ want to removethe minial target as such)
03:28 < clifford> that's up to you...
03:28 < clifford> SMP: hmm what?
03:29 < rxr> hehe - but you know what happens when you lay such decisions in my hands ...
03:29 < SMP> clifford: you asked if vsyscalls conforms to the ELF std.
03:31 < clifford> SMP: afaik ELF doesn't say anything about how syscalls should be made (the function argument passing stuff doesn't aplly here) - but elf defines the virtual memory layout for the processes ..
03:32 < clifford> rxr: yes - it means that I can't be blamed for the consequences .... *g*
03:32 < SMP> well I guess it's no problem to map a page at 0xfffff000
03:32 < SMP> actually that location is somehow dynamic and there is a way to find the current location via dl_sysinfo
03:33 < clifford> SMP: oh. nice.
03:33 < SMP> read glibc-2.3.2/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/sysdep.h ;)
03:34 < SMP> actually the kernel code that fills this page at boot time is even nicer
03:35 < SMP> so I was wrong - glibc does not support sysenter directly. it supports this vsyscall method but calls it sysenter
03:37 < rxr> European Protests Against Software Patents
03:38 < SMP> is there a way to get cpp to dump what is currently has defined?
03:38 < rxr> ^- Clifford we should suport this and change the hompage main-site for this day ?!?
03:38 < rxr> SMP: -E ?
03:38 < SMP> -E makes gcc run the preprocessor only?
03:39 < rxr> yes
03:39 < rxr> and dumps the preprocessed text ...
03:39 < clifford> SMP: yup.
03:40 < SMP> I know that
03:40 < SMP> I want to dump (list, enumerate) all the _defines_ it has
03:40 < clifford> so what was the question about?
03:40 < clifford> aha!
03:42 < mnemoc> re
03:43 < clifford> SMP: cpp has the otion -d which does what you want (e.g. -dM)
03:44 < SMP> you mean -Md ?
03:44 < clifford> no.
03:44 < clifford> -dM. e.g.: gcc -E -dM misc/archive/hello.c
03:45 < SMP> ah, found it in the manpage
03:45 < mnemoc> can cp -L be removed from stages [01]?
03:45 < mnemoc> (someday)
03:46 < mnemoc> update coreutils is a 'high impact' requirement
03:48 < clifford> sh*t - it's almost 4 am and I'm still not tired...
03:48 < clifford> mnemoc: what "cp -L" are you talking about?
03:49 < SMP> clifford: me neither - but no surprise, I got up past 5 p.m.
03:49 < clifford> I should et up in two hours.
03:49 < clifford> I should et up in two hours.my laptop is running on battery.
03:49 < mnemoc> 0-linux24 uses cp -L
03:50 < clifford> If power goes down, it's an omen that time to sleep has come .... ;-)
03:51 < clifford> root@localhost:/rock-trunk/package/base/linux24# grep -- -L *
03:51 < clifford> can't find anything ...
03:52 < rxr> clifford: ...
03:52 < rxr> or even cd ../../.. ....
03:55 * clifford is trying to get some sleep now ...
03:55 < mnemoc> it wasn't that direct... let me search
03:55 < rxr> clifford: good night
03:55 < clifford> cu.
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03:55 < rxr> mnemoc: where do you usually get your i2c patches from (need one for 2.4.22 ...
03:57 < mnemoc> w8
03:57 < mnemoc> linux24-header/linux24-header.conf: cp -rLv include/{asm,asm-generic,linux} $root/$prefix/include
03:57 < mnemoc> linux24-header/linux24-header.conf: cp -rLv include/{asm-{sparc{,64},generic},linux} $root/$prefix/include
03:57 < mnemoc> that -L :)
03:58 < rxr> mnemoc: btw the vserver developer joined the developer meeting for an evening ;-)!
03:59 < mnemoc> https://www.13thfloor.at/VServer/patches-2.4.22-p10c17/11_i2c-2.8.0.patch.bz2
04:00 < mnemoc> @vienna?
04:00 < rxr> mnemoc: thaks - found this on the list, too ;-)
04:00 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - vienna ;-)!
04:00 < rxr> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/rock-meeting-2003/gallery.html
04:01 < rxr> photo: d0010296.jpg
04:01 < rxr> I need to comment them ...
04:01 < rxr> the one in the white shirt
04:02 < mnemoc> a little dark :-\
04:02 < mnemoc> how did u meet him?
04:02 < rxr> he lives in Autria and Clifford knows him - he asked Cliff if could come over one evening ...
04:03 < rxr> hey - this was arround 22.00 o'clock or so ...
04:03 < mnemoc> did u ask them to join rock? ;)
04:04 < rxr> he is interested in ROCK because we seem to be the only dist that uses / support vserver
04:04 < mnemoc> a kernel guru could be nice on the team
04:04 < rxr> he wanted to take a look what we do with it ...
04:04 < mnemoc> a jailing system based on it is in my todo
04:05 < mnemoc> well... a modular jailing system where you could choose your method considering installed pacakges
04:05 < mnemoc> vserver, rsbac, chroot, etc..
04:08 < mnemoc> when will you update to 2.4.22?
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04:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm currenty updating ...
04:09 < rxr> just putting the peaces together and testing ...
04:10 < mnemoc> i don't understand diet's CC_FILTER sed -e '...'...
04:10 < rxr> which line ?
04:10 < mnemoc> 122
04:10 < mnemoc> THE line :)
04:11 < rxr> file ?
04:12 < rxr> I have one in line 54 ...
04:13 < rxr> var_insert CC_WRAPPER_FILTER "|" "sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,$root&,'"
04:13 < rxr> it is prepending the $root before each /usr/dietlibc/ occurence in teh options passed to CC ...
04:13 < mnemoc> me too :) i have to learn 'vi' :(
04:13 < rxr> you might see a linux24 commit in some minutes ...
04:14 < mnemoc> my problem is that i have no /usr/dietlibc occurence in kiss
04:14 < rxr> the diet wrapper program passes this to gcc (IIRC) ...
04:15 < mnemoc> so i'll have to find why it isn't :)
04:16 < rxr> I hope the filter has a verbose mode?
04:21 < mnemoc> i got why iproute2 is including /usr/dietlibc instead of $root... just because the pasted CC_FILTER :) to avoid $root$root/...
04:21 < rxr> ah - jepp
04:24 < mnemoc> mmm... /usr/dietlibc is never 'globally' appended
04:27 < mnemoc> yes! :)
04:27 < mnemoc> fixed
04:30 < rxr> hm - shti I need to rediff the i2c patch :-(
04:30 < rxr> one hunk fails ...
04:31 < mnemoc> i suggest you to wait undle herbert do it :)
04:31 < mnemoc> until
04:31 < rxr> it is only one line ...
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04:32 < mnemoc> i said because of download locations and stuff
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04:40 < rxr> mnemoc: I thik the i2c patch has a bug ...
04:42 < mnemoc> typo, little bug or big fsking amazing bug?
04:44 < rxr> typo ..
04:46 < mnemoc> mmm... kiss patch was not reached the list :(
04:47 < mnemoc> aaaargh!!!... gzip fails in the same way :(
04:47 < mnemoc> can i *globally* insert -I/usr/dietlibc/include ?
04:48 < rxr> mnemoc: in dietlibc's parse-config? try and see if it break s.th. ... (in theoriy it should not ...)
04:49 < mnemoc> ok
04:49 < mnemoc> tell me about linux24 to start a whole new build
04:50 < rxr> mnemoc: takes some minutes until I know the new i2c patch works ...
04:51 < mnemoc> k
04:52 < mnemoc> errno!!!
04:52 < mnemoc> :(
04:53 < rxr> hm?
04:53 < mnemoc> errno bug of gzip :'(
04:54 < mnemoc> this will take longer that what i expected =(
05:00 < rxr> what errno bug in gzip? one not fixed in ROCK ?
05:01 < mnemoc> i thinks it's related with -nostdinc
05:08 * mnemoc hating dietlibc
05:08 < rxr> the dietlibc is not that bad
05:08 < rxr> it is dimensions more readable then glibc - only the ROCK Linux scripts for dietlibs are not always that clean ..
05:09 < rxr> Subject: Re: problems when moving repository form redhat to gentoo
05:09 < rxr> *lolololol*
05:10 < mnemoc> ???
05:11 < rxr> svn mailing list ...
05:28 < rxr> mnemoc: if you see my changelog you know that we already have kernel hacker on-board ...
05:28 < rxr> ;-)
05:29 < mnemoc> :)
05:31 < rxr> hm - verena will wake up soon ;-)
05:31 < rxr> mnemoc: the kernel build is not yet fully tested
05:31 < rxr> I committed it because I want to build it in parallel on my x86 box
05:32 < rxr> but the big merge conflicts are solved ...
05:32 < rxr> and it is already building on my iBook for 30 minutes ...
05:33 < mnemoc> i2c-west?
05:34 < rxr> an Apple i2x system bus ...
05:35 < rxr> s/x/c/
05:35 < rxr> I need a faster PowerPC laptop - building linux24 and alsa-driver makes the video drop quite a lot frames :-(
05:39 < mnemoc> no comments
05:40 < rxr> ;-) - maybe 2.6 would help a bit ...
05:40 < jsaw> incredible, u'r still alive...
05:40 < rxr> and I should emerge xine with my tuned PowerPC optimization settings ...
05:41 < rxr> jsaw: and you, too ;-)
05:42 * SMP as well
05:42 < jsaw> btw, I installed rock on my laptop (a few revs before rc1 tag). Man, I almost forgot, that 266MHz is (almost) enough with a properly optimized distro...
05:43 < rxr> jsaw: nice to hear
05:43 < rxr> maybe we should but this quote into the happy users section ?
05:43 < jsaw> :)
05:43 < SMP> apropos optimization
05:44 < SMP> someone here uses the KDE screen locker / screensaver?
05:44 < rxr> SMP: seldom
05:44 < rxr> I prefer xautolock
05:45 < SMP> it's incredibly slow and CPU consuming
05:45 < SMP> and I only use the simple blank screen
05:45 < mnemoc> while(1);
05:46 < mnemoc> or while(i--); <-- sleep
05:47 < rxr> SMP: AFAIHS KDE just uses xscreensaver ...
05:47 < SMP> when I click the 'lock screen' icon it waits a few seconds and the CPU radiator spins up (!) - and this is a 2.5GHz P4
05:47 < SMP> rxr: no, Gnome uses xscreensaver
05:48 < mnemoc> what's _cheaper_ gnome or kde?
05:49 < SMP> 162M download/kde31
05:49 < SMP> 131M download/gnome2
05:49 < SMP> Gnome - if you download it ;P
05:49 < mnemoc> i mean at runtime
05:49 < jsaw> don't forget compile time for C++
05:50 < SMP> jsaw: well that doesn't cost money
05:50 < mnemoc> 'lighter' can be the word
05:50 < jsaw> energy
06:01 < mnemoc> gn8 :)
06:01 < rxr> n8 mnemoc
06:02 < jsaw> cu mnemoc
06:02 < mnemoc> will u sleep tomorrow?
06:02 < mnemoc> :\
06:03 < mnemoc> ... n8
06:03 < mnemoc> sleep is good
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06:49 < jsaw_> *damn hw*
06:49 < starlord> good morning jsaw
06:49 < jsaw_> g'morning
06:50 < jsaw_> (I was down for a couple of minutes because my X-Server stuck somewhere in an sigalarm loop -> reboot)
06:55 < rxr> moin starlord
06:55 < starlord> hi rxr
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06:56 < SMP> btw. I managed to get an NVIDIA X Server running
06:57 * rxr away - cu later ...
06:57 < SMP> but it dies with a SEGV as soon as I invoke a GLX app
06:59 < starlord> hmm, SMP you use nvidia's drivers right? my desktop pc has nvidia and i didnt have any problems to get hw to x work,currently pc is broken so i can look what i did,damm storms
07:00 < starlord> this freaking ATI is giving headache's
07:00 < starlord> nvidia is much better when it comes to linux support....
07:01 < safedin> hmm.. I'm finished with the build.. I get a 'creating isofs.txt' message
07:01 < safedin> but when I do a create-iso it says can't find build//isofs.txt ....
07:04 < jsaw_> SMP: but u are running 2.6?
07:04 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
07:04 < SMP> yes
07:04 < SMP> but that shouldn't matter to the X server
07:05 < jsaw> the problem is the nvidia module
07:05 < rxr> safedin: you build the target completely ?
07:05 < safedin> as far as I know.. yes...
07:05 < SMP> jsaw: well it's told to work fine once you manage to compile it
07:06 < SMP> ... and disable ACPI
07:06 < safedin> Finishing build.
07:06 < safedin> -> Creating package database ...
07:06 < safedin> -> Creating isofs.txt file ..
07:06 < rxr> safedin: maybe you do not specify the correct config-id
07:07 < safedin> ic
07:07 < rxr> if you have not speciiied one - the id is "default" ...
07:07 * rxr off not - cu
07:07 < safedin> hehe.. my bad.. misspelled default...:(
07:09 < jsaw> #elif LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 6, 0)
07:09 < jsaw> # error This driver does not support 2.5.x development kernels!
07:09 < jsaw> #else
07:09 < jsaw> # error This driver does not support 2.6.x or newer kernels!
07:09 < SMP> -rw-r--r-- 1 stefanp users 78587 2003-08-23 08:27 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.5.diff
07:10 < SMP> -rw-r--r-- 1 stefanp users 783 2003-08-23 08:28 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.6-bk5.diff
07:10 < jsaw> I know, but there's a lot of stuff binary only. Try disabling AGP.
07:10 < SMP> 'disabling AGP'?
07:16 < jsaw> XF86Config, Section "Device", Option "NvAGP" "0"
07:17 < jsaw> (btw, did u run ldconfig after installing the driver?)
07:17 < SMP> (of course)
07:18 < SMP> (and moved /usr/X11/lib/libGL* away)
07:19 < jsaw> ? I never had to do that, the nvidia install script did it.
07:19 < SMP> can't use the installer
07:20 < SMP> ERROR: The kernel header file
07:20 < SMP> '/lib/modules/2.6.0-test3/build/include/linux/modversions.h' does not
07:20 < SMP> exist.
07:21 < jsaw> ? we have our own installer script
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07:34 < holyolli> moin
07:35 < starlord> hi holyolli
07:35 < jsaw> SMP: file a bug report so that sb. might fix the installer
07:36 < holyolli> hi starlord
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07:37 < holyolli> mike!!!
07:37 < Mike1> Alcoholy!
07:37 < Mike1> :P
07:38 < holyolli> ;P
07:38 < Mike1> how are you cpt?
07:38 < Mike1> re all
07:39 < holyolli> fine. but theory sucks...cause it's boring
07:39 < holyolli> Mike1: and how are you?
07:39 < Mike1> hehehe
07:39 < jsaw> cu guys, bbl
07:39 < Mike1> i am very good thanks
07:39 < Mike1> jsaw: ?
07:40 < jsaw> Mike1: I have to bring my car to the garage in couple of minutes...
07:40 < Mike1> jsaw: ok, have fun
07:41 < Mike1> cchamilt: awake?
07:43 * Mike1 is away: brb rebooting
07:44 < jsaw> Mike1: that's no fun, 'cause its not really mine, it's my brother-in-law's car (I didn't expect ground clearance to be that small...)
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07:44 < jsaw> ...
07:44 < jsaw> bbl
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07:50 < Mike1> re
07:52 < holyolli> cya
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07:53 < SMP> jsaw: X server still segfaults with NvAGP 0
07:53 < Mike1> SMP: was gnucash moved to your repos?
07:53 < SMP> but this time it also caused some filesystem corruption
07:54 < SMP> guess I'll just have to wait a year for NVidia to get their shit together
07:55 < SMP> Mike1: jep. I changed it to use gnome-14.conf and made a crude patch to force it to use bdb41
07:55 < SMP> now it builds ok
07:55 < SMP> if only OpenHBCI was a little less stupid now ...
07:56 < Mike1> SMP: okis :)
07:57 < SMP> Mike1: btw. 'goodbye' also from me and thanks for all the fish ;)
07:57 < Mike1> SMP: ok.
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08:17 < jsaw> re
08:19 < starlord> damm,where can i find kernel option for touchpad?
08:21 < jsaw> SMP: ... binary drivers ... (I also had a X crash today, also nvidia...)
08:21 < jsaw> starlord: what kinda touchpad
08:21 < jsaw> ?
08:24 < starlord> jsaw:dont know the model,what ever comes with siemens notebooks :)
08:24 < jsaw> oh, you mean the mouse-replacement?
08:25 < jsaw> Pretty sure it's PS/2
08:25 < starlord> i know,ps/2 driver should work,but it doesnt,when i connect real mouse to ps/2 or usb it works but the touchpad doesnt
08:27 < jsaw> what does 'cat /dev/psaux | hexdump' say if u touch the touchpad?
08:29 < starlord> nothing
08:31 < jsaw> and /dev/usbmouse0
08:31 < jsaw> ?
08:33 < SMP> well, use lsusb to find out if there is one at all ...
08:33 < jsaw> sorry /dev/input/mouse0 or similiar
08:34 < starlord> hmm,i think i have protocol wrong in gpm,at boot time it founds synaptics touchpad so it is found,have to check proper protocol for this
08:34 < starlord> off for smoke
08:45 < jsaw> does anybody know by chance a good simple short howto "setup a DSL-Router-Firewall-Home-Network-etc."?
08:46 < jsaw> (any hint that saves me from RTFM is welcome :-)
08:49 < SMP> a) install OpenBSD
08:50 < jsaw> why? does this simplify configuration?
08:51 < SMP> if it filters packets, then it runs OpenBSD
08:52 < SMP> plus you don't need to jump through any hoops to get PPPoE
08:52 < jsaw> hoops?
08:53 < jsaw> so, packet filtering is less tricky in openbsd?
08:53 < SMP> definetely
08:54 < starlord> hmm.there's still few problems in kernel options modify through Config
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09:05 < rxr> re
09:06 < rxr> ok - me taking sleep ...
09:07 < jsaw> :)
09:14 < Freak> excellent idea actually.
09:14 < Freak> bye
09:15 * SMP feels inclined as well
09:15 < jsaw> (what should I say then...)
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09:27 < Demian> hi
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10:37 < daja77> moin Ge0rG
10:37 < Ge0rG> good morning
10:38 * daja77 now off for breakfast and work, cu later
10:52 < netrunner> moin
11:29 < esden> moin
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13:21 < daja77> re
13:35 < daja77> ROTFL, owl is blaming our screen version, and using putty ...
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14:21 < rxr> re
14:26 < daja77> hi rxr
14:27 < n00kie> Welcome back, rxr :)
14:27 < daja77> rxr: guess owl has a putty problem rather than a screen based one ;-)
14:34 < rxr> for me screen worked flasslessly using putty ...
14:35 < rxr> daja77: maybe she has a centericq problem as written my fake ...
14:35 < daja77> but blaming the rocklinux build scripts for that is ridiculous
14:36 < rxr> daja77: yes - definetely ...
14:36 < rxr> maybe it is an utf8 problem actually .... ?!?
14:38 < rxr> SMP: still alive ?
14:42 < daja77> you freaks worked the whole night ...
14:47 < mnemoc> rxr: i2c-core.c:1422:2: #endif without #if
14:48 < daja77> hehe
14:48 < daja77> wb mnemoc
14:48 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr, n00kie :)
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14:49 < rammi> hi
14:49 < daja77> hi rammi
14:55 < rolla> re
14:56 < daja77> hi rolla
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15:09 < starlord> rxr:put CONFIG_PNPBIOS to disable list in kernel 2.6,it "halts" pc during boot
15:23 < rxr> starlord: thanks
15:24 < starlord> rxr:np,i still have few problems with touchpad support in kernel,i found a patch for them,i'll send it to mailinglist,if it works
15:24 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm just fixing this ...
15:24 < rxr> starlord: ok
15:28 < daja77> how come, that they can't see such simple compile errors before release, is the their quality management so poor
15:28 < rxr> daja77: you mean the ifdef? This was me ...
15:29 < daja77> oh ic ;-)
15:29 < rxr> and I needed to bring Verena to a doctor at 8o'clock this morning ...
15:29 < daja77> so you are more ghost than human today ...
15:30 < starlord> is owl(Sandra Dismair?) in the mailing list same as EREBOS linux creator?
15:30 < daja77> yes ...
15:31 < starlord> muah,why doesnt she starts to help rock as he has same goals in that erectos,but in rock they are mainly done already.....
15:31 < starlord> oh erebos i mena
15:32 < daja77> cos she is strange, but don't tell her
15:35 < starlord> yihaa,touchbad works again
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15:50 < rxr> so - linux24 might be fixed now ...
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15:58 < esden> ROFL
15:58 < esden> hi sbtw
15:58 < daja77> hi [anders]
15:58 < daja77> hi esden
15:58 < [anders]> lo esden, daja77
15:58 < daja77> what's so funny
15:58 < esden> daja77: the mail from owl on the ml
15:59 < daja77> with that pciture
16:00 < esden> daja77: the mail about that she is not satisfied about rock ... and that screen is not working ... and and and ... I really have to lough about it ...
16:00 < daja77> i agree
16:01 < [anders]> ho-hum...
16:02 < esden> daja77: but that kind of saying is typical for her ...
16:02 < esden> she will be back earlier or later
16:02 < [anders]> esden: maybe, maybe not...
16:02 < rxr> hi [anders] !
16:03 < daja77> [anders]: anyway ;-)
16:03 < [anders]> lo rxr, I saw your post on LKML.. you want the updates i2c I see.. :)
16:03 < rxr> yes - I just merged the patch again - and it is pain ...
16:04 < rxr> even more I would like the i2c people not changing the API teh wohle day ....
16:04 < rxr> but the current one should be in the kernel ...
16:04 < [anders]> daja77: owl might feel frustration with Rock, I did from time to time.. Especially when I did not have the skill to fix the broken bits.
16:04 < [anders]> rxr: I reckon you stand a good chance to get it into 2.4.23
16:05 < rxr> another thing that should go in is the read-only bind mounts patch ...
16:05 < rxr> and it is tiny ...
16:05 < daja77> well np with that, if could talk in a normal way with her about that, there wouldn't be a problem at all
16:05 < [anders]> rxr: I noticed that there was updated to ACPI in 2.4.22, I should give it a try shortly...
16:06 < [anders]> daja77: just be patient. not everyone is eloquent and can communicate easily the problems they've noticed.
16:06 < rxr> [anders]: ;-) btw how are you - how are things going ?
16:06 < daja77> patience *hmpf*
16:06 < [anders]> rxr: I'm good thanks. just moved house (again) and have to wait for DSL to be enabled in new house.
16:07 < [anders]> rxr: how are you doing then old friend? :)
16:07 < rxr> [anders]: oh - quite well, thanks. In which country are you currently living ?
16:07 < [anders]> rxr: I am still in the UK for the time being. :)
16:08 < daja77> and still joining from ibm ...
16:08 < [anders]> daja77: yes.. not managed to escape yet.. ;-)
16:09 < [anders]> looks like I might be able to scavenge another year from them as well..
16:09 < daja77> hehehe
16:09 < rxr> [anders]: but it should be quite ok at ibm, isn't it ?
16:09 < [anders]> rxr: it is. working on a nice project, doing build tasks and acceptance testing, so things I like to tinker with. :)
16:10 < [anders]> rxr: so what are you working with now or are you still at uni? :)
16:10 < esden> hmm ... it would be very helpfull if owl could fix the bug in centericq ...
16:11 < esden> I really would be greatfull for that
16:11 * [anders] wants a 'centrino' architecture choice in the kernel
16:12 < rxr> [anders]: well basically I work too much on OpenSoure stuff and I'm too less in the Uni ... I worked for a win32 coding company - but I'm about to quit it and start my own company trying to make money with ROCK Linux and realtime-audio-linux stuff (GSMP) ...
16:13 < daja77> cool, you considered using rtai patched kernels for that?
16:14 < [anders]> rxr: sounds like a good idea. if you have a good solid product you should easily be able to make a living from it. :)
16:16 < rxr> daja77: not in the beginning ... realtime audio for workstations is normally all user-space so you need the new scheduler, maybe preemtion (or/and the old low-latency patches) - but basically vanilla 2.4 and especially 2.6 are good enough for studio work - only for exeptional caes preemtion and the low-latency patch can help ...
16:17 < [anders]> rxr: there are patches floating around to optimise latency for particular interrupts.. so you can prioritise the irq your soundcard sits on for example..
16:18 < daja77> rxr: anyway if you'd need it you can enable it easily in rock ;-)
16:19 < esden> very nice ... I could stop myself from replying on owls mail in the last moment ... thank god ;)
16:19 < daja77> thank esden
16:22 * [anders] is thinking about creating a patch-set for the kernel on the laptop.
16:22 < [anders]> what I really want is some driver code for Intel PRO/2100 802.11b wifi stuff..
16:22 < rxr> daja77: yes ;-)
16:24 < daja77> found a victim for new generic installation btw
16:32 * rxr away - cu in some hours
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16:36 < holyolli> moin
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16:47 < esden> ok ... I am off for shopping
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16:53 < dennis> moin
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17:32 < rolla> okay I give you lines you need
17:32 < starlord> hmm,why linux-drm copies modules to 2.4 and not to 2.6(that's i'm using),because 2.4 is marked as default kernel?
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17:53 < esden> re hi all
17:53 < christ|an> hi esden
17:54 < esden> starlord: I suppose that it is a bug in install script ...
17:55 < rolla> ?
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17:55 < esden> rolla: ?
17:55 < rolla> wrong window :(
17:56 < esden> rolla: hehe ;)
18:04 < rolla> does the person who starts the webserver have rights to the cert files?
18:04 < rolla> I think my tab key is broken :(
18:06 < daja77> maybe you think i learn quicker when reading things twice ;-)
18:12 < christ|an> https://join.msn.com/?page=dept/home&pgmarket=en-us&xAPID=296&DI=340&HL=MS_SpecialsPage_Sign_up_for_MSN_8_Cut_your_Internet_bills_graphic_1 -> lol this site looks like a page for kids :)
18:13 < daja77> msn -> page_for_kids -> just_as_expected
18:13 < christ|an> lol
18:15 < n00kie> https://netscan.research.microsoft.com
18:15 < n00kie> I think this is a..
18:15 < n00kie> "bad site"
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18:17 < christ|an> https://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?subid=22&site=11052&x=52&y=13 -> yeah lets buy a home xp edition :)
18:17 < daja77> christ|an: could you stop that please
18:17 * daja77 now off for shopping
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18:40 < holyolli> re
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18:46 < n00kie> Hi holyolli
18:48 < starlord> hmm,what env variable should contain current kernel version?
18:50 < holyolli> hi n00kie
18:54 < mnemoc> starlord: uname -r
18:55 < starlord> hmm,inside script?
18:55 < starlord> errrrrr
18:56 < starlord> linux-drm uses $kernelversion but gives me default kernel and not the kernel i'm using,so i thought there is already variable that holds it....
18:56 < mnemoc> afaik no
18:57 < mnemoc> ROCKCFG_DEFAULT_KERNEL contains the default kernel package
18:57 < mnemoc> you can sed it's .desc file to fetch ^\[V\] \(.*\)
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19:29 < mnemoc> i can't create an account on flyspray :'(
19:30 < mnemoc> i want an account
19:31 < mnemoc> i have filled the form twice but i still can't login
19:31 < mnemoc> bye :(
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20:15 < rolla> damn kernels
20:19 < mnemoc> rc1 was tagged in a good moment :)
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20:31 < tcr> moin all
20:31 < rolla> re
20:32 < mnemoc> wb {tcr,rolla}
20:34 < rolla> this is driving me nuts they say they have linux drivers but you can't find
20:34 < rolla> them
20:35 < mnemoc> that doesn't applies only to linux drivers :(
20:37 < rolla> ?
20:37 < daja77> re
20:38 < rxr> re
20:38 < rolla> rxr what kind of wireless card do you have?
20:38 < rxr> oeh
20:39 < rxr> an Airport/Orinoro in the iBook - and an ADMTek 8211 in Verena's laptop
20:39 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have admin privileges on flyspray? i have tried to create myself twice but ...
20:40 < rolla> ah lucky you nice supported cards
20:40 < rxr> as Accesspoint DWL 900AP+
20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: yes
20:40 < mnemoc> can you see i i'm created?
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - your are not listed ...
20:41 < mnemoc> :'(
20:41 < rxr> what error did you got ?
20:42 < rxr> which browser?
20:42 < mnemoc> ie55
20:42 < mnemoc> empty page after submit
20:42 < rxr> hm - works in Mozilla and Konqueror ...
20:42 < mnemoc> i mean, empty popup
20:42 < rxr> don't you have a Mozilla on your XP ?
20:42 < mnemoc> ok... i'll try mozilla at home
20:43 < rxr> I could try from an IE/Mac using MacOSX in MacOnLinux ;-)
20:43 < mnemoc> =)
20:43 < rxr> but this IE/Mac is dmenensions bug-freeer compared to the windows version
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20:43 < rxr> this especially sucks when I want to see if the sites are correclty rendered in IE - the Mac versino usually just renders it fine and the Win version fails ...
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20:44 < mnemoc> i can give you RDP access here but i think the lag will be *big*
20:45 < rxr> yes - i do not need it that urgent ...
20:45 < daja77> dunno if this is good or bad if windows user can't submit bugs ...
20:46 < mnemoc> btw, i get empty <body /> but a "Flyspray:: Modify" title
20:48 < daja77> O_o a mail from tfing
20:48 < rxr> oh - Alon Cox replied to my mail ...
20:48 < mnemoc> rxr: now you are a real kernel hacker ;)
20:49 < daja77> huh, thought he retired
20:50 < daja77> btw do we have the security fixes for sendmail?
20:53 < rxr> don't know - don't use it ...
20:53 < rxr> if you use it fell free to track them ...
20:55 < daja77> i don't but i just got the second advisory (this time from suse)
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20:59 < rolla> rxr that is a poor frame of mind ot have
21:02 < mnemoc> package preselection templates?
21:03 < rxr> rolla: heh?
21:04 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - to stop this yet-another-target-with-package-selection-only(tm)
21:04 < rolla> if it is going to be a part of rock. it must be kept up todate either by the maintainer of the package or by the overall maintainer.
21:05 < rxr> rolla: yes - but I can not do all
21:05 < mnemoc> good... targets should be more that a set of pacakges
21:05 < mnemoc> BBL
21:05 < rxr> I already stayed up the wohle last night ...
21:05 < rolla> true
21:06 < rolla> but then the answer should be the maintainer must take care of it :)
21:06 < rxr> yes - and since I hate sendmail I'm not the maintainer *g*
21:08 < rolla> true
21:09 < daja77> errh you are ... consequent
21:09 < rolla> I am just pointing out the more correct way to answer daja question :)
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21:10 < rxr> rolla: could you take a look at this ?
21:11 < rolla> I can
21:20 < rxr> the preselection template is cool ;-)
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21:25 < rammi> hi to all!
21:25 < daja77> rxr: what about minimal build?
21:25 < daja77> wb rammi
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21:27 < rxr> daja77: hm ?
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21:29 < daja77> mike created minimal so that we can provide small isos for download, so that newbies have a plattform to build rock for themselves on it
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21:33 < rxr> daja77: still possible - select generic and the minimal template ...
21:36 < tcr> is it possible to see diffs between revisions online?
21:38 < daja77> rxr: ok, but will we provide such an image?
21:40 < rxr> tcr: yes - if I would install viewcvs (latest version has svn support)
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21:41 < rxr> daja77: depends if we have free resources
21:41 < daja77> hmm
21:42 < rxr> daja77: and astonishing is that the minimal+xfree only includes ~100 packages where minimal has ~190 ...
21:42 < rxr> we should fix this - by making minimal smaller ...
21:43 < daja77> ack
21:43 < daja77> e.g.. noone needs rfcs in minimal
21:44 < rxr> maybe just cut'n paste from the minimal+xfree remove the xfree files - and clean both up - maybe the xfree can just include (inherit) the minimal and only pass the two and a half xfree packages additionally ...
21:48 < rxr> weee 900 packages in ROCK now ;-)!
21:49 < daja77> stay tuned for more ;-)
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22:05 < SMP> rxr: what's the use of x/o flag if all packages are x anyway? ;)
22:06 < daja77> not all
22:07 < rxr> SMP: the default - and the default should only optional exclusive packages - or packages without distirvuteable license
22:08 < rxr> SMP: if you O them they will also not build in a reference build (since it would not know which can be build wihtout conflict ...)
22:08 < daja77> rtai is O e.g. cos it modifies the whole build
22:08 < rxr> there are nome still 27 O packages ...
22:08 < rxr> err 24 ...
22:09 < praenti> hi
22:09 < rxr> and I do want all normal packages in a regerence build ...
22:09 < praenti> rxr: have you time at the moment?
22:09 < daja77> huhu praenti
22:09 < rxr> praenti: erm - theoretically yes - if my girlfrined would not be wishing that I make the dishes ... ;-)
22:09 < praenti> need some help with kernel config and with disable-broken.lst
22:09 < rxr> praenti: oeh? what do you want to do?
22:10 < praenti> i have added a line like: CONFIG_SIS190 2003-08-26 2.6.0-test4
22:10 < praenti> cause this module seems to be broken. but the output says that it is set to 'm' anyway
22:10 < praenti> is there a special syntax?
22:12 < rxr> nope normally not ...
22:14 < praenti> have seen there are some more in it now. looks like i should use the one in trunk... :-/
22:16 < rxr> so the next i2c iteration ...
22:18 < praenti> ohh. i have seen what was wrong. i should not trust the outputafter enabling all modules :-))
22:19 < praenti> disable-broken.sh is run after the output... *schäm*
22:22 < rxr> so I hope this was the kernel hacking session for the next days ...
22:22 < praenti> ok. i will go to bed now. perhaps i can read tomorrow more than today...
22:22 < praenti> gn8
22:22 < daja77> n8 praenti
22:22 < rxr> n8 praenti
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22:29 * daja77 notes that letting manucfacture cdroms and dvds is cheaper than he thought
22:34 < rxr> jups - what is the current break-even for pressed CDs? and the price in cent then ?
22:35 < daja77> 0.75 EUR for a dvd, without cover
22:35 < daja77> but with colored label
22:35 < daja77> cds are even cheaper
22:35 < SMP> how much is a DVD master?
22:35 < rolla> look it over before you thank me
22:38 < safedin> because daja77 made me...
22:38 < safedin> <safedin> fyi.. the best feature of gentoo is the ease of install new and unstable versions of gnome...
22:39 < daja77> thx
22:39 < daja77> :)
22:41 < rxr> safedin: if someone would just add the packages to rock it would be equally easy ...
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22:52 < Mike1> hello all
22:52 < daja77> hi Mike1
23:27 < rxr> re
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23:28 < rxr> hi Mike1
23:28 < Mike1> wb rxr
23:28 < daja77> *head crashing on keyboard*
23:28 < rxr> daja77: some eact prices for CDs and the master would be interesting
23:28 < rxr> or is the master in the price - but then I would need the minmal count ...
23:29 < daja77> it is in price when you order at least 2000
23:30 < daja77> https://www.mediabit.de/cd/1_cd_produktion/cd_produktion_preise_teil_1.html
23:34 < rxr> daja77: ah the usual prices - ok
23:34 < daja77> better than burning it themselves
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23:36 < rammi> hi.. again.. :)
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23:38 < daja77> hmm
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23:47 * daja77 tired
23:47 < daja77> cu tomorrow
23:47 < Mike1> daja77: :(
23:47 * daja77 killed by noise at work
23:50 < rxr> linux24 now builds again ...
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