--- Log opened Sun Aug 31 00:00:13 2003
00:00 < n00kie> Fine, thanks :)
00:01 < daja77> Mike1: fine, lazy day, today
00:05 < Mike1> daja77: actually, you are lazy everyday...
00:05 < daja77> oh thx
00:05 < daja77> :P
00:05 < Mike1> you are very welcome
00:05 < Mike1> :P
00:05 * daja77 kicks Mike1 
00:05 < Mike1> huh?!
00:05 < Mike1> what did i do?
00:05 * Mike1 slaps daja77 
00:05 < daja77> doesn't matter, had to do it
00:06 < Mike1> kick n00kie, he like it
00:06 * daja77 deflects the slap and kicks again
00:06 * daja77 kicks n00kie 
00:06 * Mike1 uses n00kieas shield
00:07 * daja77 pokes Mike1 with a stick
00:07 < Mike1> ok so rms have just left to the airport..
00:07 < daja77> hm?
00:07 * netrunner smells the air of war and sneaks near
00:07 < Mike1> rms was here...
00:07 < daja77> in cr
00:08 < Mike1> cr.. mike's ...
00:08 < netrunner> oh, already ended ... then n8 * :)
00:08 * daja77 throws n00kie in netrunner's direction
00:08 < daja77> Mike1: cool
00:08 < daja77> he visited you?
00:08 * Mike1 grabs his water pistol and shoots netrunner
00:08 < Mike1> daja77: yeah
00:08 < Mike1> daja77: airport is 2 mins away
00:08 * netrunner matrixdodges the waterbullets
00:09 < daja77> have you violated the gpl?
00:09 * netrunner throws his alarm-clock-that-rings-on-sunday-at-8am onto Mike1
00:09 < n00kie> :(
00:09 < n00kie> Everyone is hurting me
00:09 < n00kie> and using me for bad things
00:09 < Mike1> netrunner: sorry but the n00kie hit ya
00:09 < n00kie> :)
00:09 < n00kie> lol
00:10 < Mike1> daja77: no :)
00:10 < daja77> what did he do at yours?
00:11 * Mike1 has started a plan to try to make the legislation of CR, force the gov institutions to use free software...
00:11 < daja77> does this involve explosives?
00:11 < Mike1> you know, make a law to kick m$ ass out of the gov..
00:12 < Mike1> daja77: explosives, maybe, wanna help?
00:12 < daja77> sure
00:12 * netrunner needs to update spamassasin rules ... the false negative has fallen rapidly. *deletingpenisenlargementpills*
00:12 < daja77> n00kie could carry the bomb
00:13 < daja77> netrunner: you should eat the pills, not delete the,
00:13 < daja77> them
00:13 < Mike1> daja77: n00kie wouldn't exactly carry it.. he _would_ be _the_ bomb
00:13 < daja77> ahem yeah
00:13 < Mike1> daja77: you could also donate your car to the cause...
00:13 < netrunner> daja77: according to my gf I don't need any, you want those? 
00:14 < daja77> hehe tactical nuklear transporter
00:14 < daja77> netrunner: why have you ordered them
00:14 < Mike1> pills are for the birds... all you need is jolt.
00:14 < daja77> maybe you should have asked her before
00:15 < netrunner> Mike1: I'd love to see a bird flying by after consuming those pills :)
00:15 < daja77> .oO netrunner wants to love birds ...
00:15 < netrunner> daja77: found them in my mbox
00:15 < Mike1> netrunner: hehehe, if it is just like i imagine it.. damn i wanna see that too :)
00:15 < daja77> you lucky one
00:16 < netrunner> daja77: I could forward em to you if you'd like 
00:16 < Mike1> daja77: sure those are not regular pills, those are love pills..
00:16 < daja77> ahem no thx
00:17 < netrunner> still running generic build: 1800 builds total, 1406 completed fine, 49 with errors
00:17 < daja77> *shock*
00:17 < daja77> oh you rin stage 9 ...
00:17 < netrunner> yes
00:17 < daja77> run
00:17 < netrunner> with paranoia turned on.
00:18 < daja77> hmm always turn it on
00:18 < Mike1> ok back to code.
00:18 < rxr> hi 1804 builds total, 1400 completed fine, 30 with errors.
00:18 < Mike1> grr
00:18 < Mike1> hi rxr
00:18 < rxr> hi Mike1 
00:19 < netrunner> rxr: I have quite a few with {standard input}:795: Error: value of -129 too large for field of 1 bytes at 2292
00:19 < netrunner> rxr: you know where that could come from? (building generic for k6/2)
00:20 < rxr> nope - never saw this ...
00:20 < daja77> rxr: btw found easy possibility to download the patches ;) 
00:20 < netrunner> rxr: could that be optimization issue of gcc?
00:21 < rxr> hm - what packages are this?
00:21 * daja77 thinks so
00:21 < netrunner> rxr: xine, lame, maybe more
00:22 < rxr> both build fine here - on x86 (generic or pentium-mmx) and PowerPC (powerpc+750)
00:22 < rxr> so yes - this might be some gcc is confused problem
00:23 < rxr> could you seperate out some tiny test fragment to reproduce the bug ?
00:24 < netrunner> rxr: gimp* is also affected
00:25 < netrunner> rxr: I'll have to rebuild it manually, since my R.src is empty. I'll try to do this tomorrow evening.
00:28 < rxr> ok
00:29 < jsaw> netrunner, rxr: is libcss building?
00:30 < rxr> jsaw: yes
00:30 < jsaw> (strange error with gcc33..., that's why I'm asking.)
00:31 < rxr> jsaw: could you start to send patches? It makes more sense to get them slowly - instead of one big merge session where half of the tree is defect after it ...
00:31 < netrunner> jsaw: yes.
00:32 < jsaw> rxr: you have some, and I'm on it, rechecking. (double rechecking actually, because I already found an error with one of the patches I send: it will not work with a non-gnu compiler...)
00:33 < netrunner> what is CFLAGS, something in the compiler parameter list? 
00:34 < jsaw> netrunner: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) ....
00:34 < jsaw> most automatic builds use this variable to pass c-compiler options 
00:34 < jsaw> like optimization "-O2"
00:35 < netrunner> I found some guy having the same error message, he was replied with "Please remove your nonstandard CFLAGS and try again" where he replied "Yes, that was the problem. Thank you :-)"
00:35 < netrunner> he was building something else but the message looks similar
00:35 < jsaw> that's a workaround, not a solution.
00:36 < netrunner> so cflags are (also) from INSERT = '-O2 -pipe -march=k6-2'
00:36 < jsaw> yes
00:37 < netrunner> ah. thx. I'll continue this tomorrow since I have to get up 'early' (8am) to bake some cake and have breakfast with friends.
00:37 < netrunner> n8 *
00:37 < rxr> n8 netrunner 
00:47 < rxr> can anyone propose good mailing-list software? (for use on my sites ...)
00:49 < daja77> a fellow student was excited by the new mailman
00:50 < jsaw> new?
00:50 < jsaw> u mean the last version?
00:50 < daja77> yes
00:51 < daja77> i mean he told me about a new version and that he likes it very much
00:51 < jsaw> rxr: www.list.org
00:51 < jsaw> (mailman)
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00:53 < Mike1> rxr: indeed mailman is more than a good option. I use since maybe 2 years ago.
00:55 < daja77> the seemed to have improved the admin interface in 2.1.2
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01:01 < jsaw> rxr: btw, gcc33 and gcc3 have shared files conflicts (documentation). Any idea how to solve this?
01:04 < rxr> what documentation files are shared ?
01:06 < jsaw> I think, all (but I disabled gcc3 long time ago). But definitely info files.
01:13 < esden> hi all
01:13 < daja77> hi esden 
01:14 < Mike1> God bless you MPET
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01:16 < fake> gevening'
01:16 < daja77> hi fake
01:16 < fake> hey daja
01:16 < daja77> :)
01:17 < rxr> hi fake 
01:18 < fake> hi rene
01:18 < esden> god bless you too Mike1 
01:18 < esden> hi fake 
01:18 < rxr> hi esden! You alive?
01:18 < fake> heyho esden
01:18 < esden> yes now I am back to the living
01:18 < esden> ;)
01:18 < daja77> rxr: hehe good question
01:18 < esden> I got a visit from tuesday so and was pretty unavalable ;)
01:19 < esden> but now I am back
01:19 < daja77> how was tuesday ;-)
01:19 < rxr> esden: I know who visitted you when ... ;-)
01:19 < esden> rxr: hehe ;)
01:19 < daja77> hehe
01:19 < rxr> esden: and you are still alive?
01:20 < fake> really?
01:20 < esden> rxr: yes I am ...
01:20 < fake> <i>her</i> ?
01:20 < esden> I did not fall into a glitch of a glacier ... but it was near to that
01:20 < esden> ;)
01:21 * fake o_O
01:21 * daja77 hates speaking in riddles
01:21 < rxr> yes - o_O {one week no rock patches from esden ...}
01:21 < daja77> less broken code 
01:21 * daja77 hides
01:21 < esden> fake: regina visited me and we climbed up the zugspitze from the bottom to the glacier and back down
01:22 < esden> we planned to climb up to the top of zugspitze but we had no "steigeisen" for the glacier
01:22 < fake> esden: ah, like, nature and stuff?
01:22 < esden> that is why we went back down ... it was too dangerous at the end
01:22 < esden> fake: ack
01:22 < esden> I was exploring real rocks by foot ... for rocklinux ;)
01:22 < daja77> esden: so you installed wlan on zugspitze?
01:23 < esden> daja77: no I was talking with clifford over cellphone on the glacier of hoellenthal ;)
01:23 < daja77> so that when i climb it with fake, we could have some fun there ;)
01:23 < esden> I really got a shock as he called me ;)
01:24 < daja77> hehe
01:25 < esden> I plan to climb once more with everything I need ... and I will take a laptop with me ... so that I can say that rocklinux was climbing up rocks in real ;)
01:25 < daja77> esden: send pics
01:25 < esden> daja77: I have to develop them first
01:25 < fake> don't forget the proof
01:26 < esden> fake: photo's?
01:26 < daja77> ah yes you are still on analog
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01:26 < hopelessOwl> moin
01:26 < fake> esden: or video
01:26 < hopelessOwl> hi fake 
01:26 < rxr> esden: and reginea is on the way back? Or smiling near you ?
01:26 < esden> hehe ;)
01:26 < esden> rxr: she is on the way back to berlin
01:26 < daja77> fake: what kind of video you thought of?
01:28 < esden> the video would be usable for rock TV
01:28 < daja77> :)
01:31 < esden> fake: where can I download the rock tv vcd?
01:31 < fake> esden: nowhere, up to now
01:31 < esden> then change it ;-)
01:31 * daja77 wants to download too
01:32 < fake> give me fast upload connection...
01:33 < esden> fake: apollo? if there is enough space for it ...
01:33 < esden> yes there is enough place for it
01:34 < fake> esden: then i'll push it once i'm in bitz (so... about next year)
01:35 < esden> fake: why not from home?
01:36 < fake> esden: because i'm not in the mood to move any more than i have to right now
01:36 < fake> esden: and i would habe to plug my subnote in...
01:37 < fake> have, even
01:37 < esden> hmm ... ok ... 
01:37 < daja77> .oO lazy timeout error ;-)
01:44 < hopelessOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,263325,00.html << ouch
01:45 < daja77> lol
01:46 < hopelessOwl> wonderful. 
01:46 < hopelessOwl> vote for PBC, bayernpartei or ödp, btw! :p
01:47 < daja77> oh my, these votes he hurt you seriously
01:47 < daja77> s/he/have
01:50 < daja77> owl for president!
01:51 < hopelessOwl> yes... as in the "loosers-party"
01:51 < daja77> could be any
01:52 < hopelessOwl> hehe. yes. especially SPD and CDU/CSU currently.. (i'm still believing a bit in PDS)
01:52 < fake> green...
01:54 < hopelessOwl> hm.green is ok, too. but PDS is extreme enough to "durchsetzen" some of the "soziale ideen" and so on imho
01:54 < daja77> lol
01:55 < daja77> pds = bunch of grandpas and grannys, here
01:55 < fake> daja77: the pds in ingolstadt is o.k. - nice people ;)
01:56 < daja77> yeah in the west pds ppl are younger and somewhat smarter
01:56 < daja77> here it is a senior's club with braindead ppl in it
01:57 < hopelessOwl> yes... and in the ost, there are still "old men" who are influenced by communismn
01:57 < daja77> you know them?
01:57 < fake> hopelessOwl: they are here, too, that's the basic idea behind the PDS ;)
01:58 < daja77> rofl
01:58 < hopelessOwl> nah... 
01:58 < hopelessOwl> fake: nah. not as communistic as communismn ;p
01:58 < daja77> hopelessOwl: huh?!
01:58 < fake> hopelessOwl: yes, because then they would be illegalised in a democratic country ;)
01:59 < daja77> erhm that's not the basic meaning of democracy, but yes they would
01:59 < hopelessOwl> fake: sure. but why are NPD and stuff? they should be forbidden imho... 
02:00 < daja77> they are paid by verfassungsschutz ...
02:00 < hopelessOwl> daja77: huh?
02:00 < daja77> haven't you read the press?
02:00 < hopelessOwl> daja77: depends on _when_
02:01 < daja77> last year perhaps
02:01 < hopelessOwl> last year... nah... 
02:01 < daja77> hmm ic
02:02 < daja77> ok /me now goin to bed
02:02 < daja77> cu
02:02 < hopelessOwl> hrmpf. i'm "beneiden" you... my boyfriend is using both halfs of the bed. 
02:02 < hopelessOwl> (and sleeping) :-/
02:02 < fake> daja77: gn8
02:03 < Freak> gn8 daja77
02:03 < Freak> re rest
02:03 < Freak> :)
02:03 < hopelessOwl> daja77: but: sleep well. bye
02:03 < esden> n8 daja77 
02:03 < fake> hi Freak 
02:03 < Freak> hey fake
02:03 < esden> ok ... /me -> watching a film
02:04 < esden> cu 
02:04 < Freak> have fun esden
02:04 < fake> movie
02:04 < Freak> fake.... is this really necessary
02:04 < Freak> have you it so nötig ;)
02:04 < fake> Freak: what?
02:05 < Freak> *turningroundhisheadlookingintheair*
02:06 < fake> esden: have fun
02:06 < fake> Freak: what - do - you - want (*poweringupleavemealoneaura*)
02:07 * Freak sets mode -owl for fake
02:07 * hopelessOwl kicks Freak in his ass
02:07 < hopelessOwl> bye esden 
02:18 < snyke> esden: !!!!!!!
02:18 < snyke> *hugs*
02:20 < hopelessOwl> snyke: `
02:20 < hopelessOwl> ?
02:20 < snyke> :))
02:20 < snyke> ;P
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02:39 < Mike1> re
02:40 < Freak> wb mi
02:40 < Freak> ke
02:40 < Freak> Mike1
02:40 < Mike1> Freak: !!!
02:41 < Freak> weeee so much exitement about me helloing you :)
02:41 < Freak> exc..
02:42 < hopelessOwl> hi Mike1 
02:42 < Mike1> owlita
02:42 < hopelessOwl> Miguel ;)
02:42 < Mike1> Freak: sure :)
02:42 < Freak> Mike1: glad. :)
02:43 < hopelessOwl> O_o
02:43 * Mike1 is very happy because his 286 is back to life
02:43 < Mike1> and he got a tv card on todays alien package
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02:44 < Mike1> i can now find a better use to my 486 than a diskless terminal :)
02:56 < rxr> cool - my C++ template traits code finally is in place, compiles - and the functionality tested works ;-)
02:56 < fake> templates... urgh...
02:56 < rxr> templates rock
02:57 < fake> i hate the fact that you need to have the definition in each and every file, or have to include code-containing files
02:59 < rxr> yes - you need to include the hxx file with the generic definition. But only when your compiler does not know about the "export" keyword - which exposes the class over compile units
03:01 < fake> i didn't know that's supposed to work, i have to admit
03:02 < rxr> (ok - I also think that currently only soem IBM VIsual Age compiler support some cases of export)
03:02 < rxr> :-(
03:02 < fake> hehe.
03:04 < rxr> but this is only a compile time increase matter for me - (and reminds me that I need to bug the gcc folks about this again). In general Templates are a quite useable technique to realize low-level operation in a typesafe manner 
03:04 < rxr> and often more optimized than in C (when you do not use assembler)
03:04 < fake> jep, i wanted to use them too, because the theory is really nice.
03:05 < rxr> you last version of GSMP beats most other sound application under linux - even in run-time speed - althought it is written in modern C++
03:05 < rxr> currently we start to rewrite it even more organized in modern C++
03:08 < jsaw> rxr: == 01:41:15 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.10 2.0.0-rc2].
03:08 < jsaw> !> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `xcursor.pc', needed ..
03:08 < jsaw> !> make[3]: Leaving directory `/R.src/xc/lib/fontconfig'
03:08 < jsaw> did I miss a revision?
03:08 < rxr> jsaw: already fixed (or did I forgot to commit ...)
03:09 < jsaw> updating...
03:09 < rxr> now it is
03:09 < rxr> sorry
03:09 < jsaw> np
03:13 < christ|an> Hello Rock Community... last night i tryed out your gnome package
03:13 < christ|an> there were some problems:
03:14 < christ|an> o when i started the gnome theme manager to choose another theme this programm was very unstable
03:14 < christ|an> stomethime this programm did nothing - i had to kill it
03:15 < christ|an> o i couldnt logout. i pressed the logout button and there happend nothing. i had to logoff with a terminal
03:16 < christ|an> o stone was very strange... the colors of stone are sometimes very dark (black, ...) and sometimes the colors are normal
03:16 < christ|an> o when i want to change the windowmanager in stone i always have to to it two or more times
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03:17 < christ|an> if you wish a bigger report of my problems with rock query me please and i will send you a big report with error msgs and so on
03:18 < rxr> christ|an: I'll copy this into my mail client and take a look
03:18 < christ|an> thanks rxr :)
03:18 < rxr> maybe the gnome theme selector is always instble - this should not be a ROCK specific problem ...
03:18 < rxr> which terminal did you run stone in?
03:18 < rxr> this should really not be a stone problem
03:20 < christ|an> well rxr: i used no terminal - start computer - login - and the typed stone
03:20 < jsaw> rxr: christ|an: I'm about to update all gnome packages... then, I check it. Please send a detailed report also to me jsaw at gmx dot net.
03:21 < christ|an> kk
03:22 < rxr> jsaw: do you mean migration to 2.3 or updating to latesd stable 2.2 packages ?
03:22 < rxr> jsaw: do you have free time for this font problem?
03:23 < jsaw> last stable 2.2
03:23 < Mike1> jsaw: NOTE: before i left rock i did test your update patches and they built fine
03:24 < jsaw> good, so they will be pumped to the list as is.
03:24 < Mike1> jsaw: i didn't test them
03:24 < Mike1> only buold them..
03:24 < Mike1> built*
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03:26 < rxr> jsaw: so I do not continue to debug the font problem today - and either I wait for the gnome update - or you have the time to get into the details
03:27 < jsaw> rxr: please tell me, how to reproduce the font problem
03:27 < rxr> when I remoe the :unscaled fromthe fontpath KDE seems to work correct in -rc1 - but gnome still does not work correct and render one sans font for every font select (which is an improvement over these line line at all ...)
03:27 < rxr> just lunch a gnome application in -rc12
03:27 < rxr> -2
03:28 < jsaw> here, all is fine.
03:28 < rxr> best when first gnome-session was started
03:28 < jsaw> but I use xfs
03:28 < jsaw> gdm/gnome-session...
03:28 < rxr> jsaw: do you have a full -rc1 build or only some updated system
03:28 < jsaw> updated so far
03:29 < rxr> maybe your X is too young? In the past this worked - in the past also the FontPath was just used as is (I have this default in dRock for years (two or so))
03:29 < jsaw> and I have no unscaled in the font path
03:29 < jsaw> checking X...
03:29 < rxr> ah!
03:29 < jsaw> XFree86 Version 4.3.99.8
03:30 < rxr> no :unscaled ...
03:30 < rxr> hm - this is the -rc1 version
03:30 < rxr> jsaw: coudl you add :unscaled ;-)?
03:30 < rxr> andyway I try more today - but first I go to bed now ..
03:31 < jsaw> does this work in xfs config also?
03:32 < jsaw> what fonts are unscaled?
03:32 < rxr>     FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
03:32 < rxr>     FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
03:32 < rxr> those bitmap fonts
03:33 < jsaw> stay tuned...
03:33 < Mike1> sleep well rxr
03:35 < jsaw> cu Mike1 
03:35 < jsaw> rxr: and what should be the problem now?
03:36 < jsaw> ah, i c
03:36 < Mike1> jsaw: i am not leaving..
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03:38 < jsaw> Mike1: haven't seen, that rxr is about to go to bed
03:38 < Mike1> jsaw: ok :)
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03:47 < rxr> jsaw: well
03:47 < rxr> still here - you do not see a problem ?
03:49 < rxr> dou you still run xfs ?
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09:11 < Mike1> re
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09:41 * netrunner backing cake
09:58 * daja77 waves
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10:34 < rxr> 2.0.0-rc1 release announcement sent out
10:36 < rxr> mon btw ;-)
10:37 < daja77> moin rxr
10:37 < daja77> nice ;)
10:39 < n00kie> wee, rc1 finally released :)
10:44 * rxr syncing to mirrors
10:44 < rxr> n00kie: yes - I waited for feedback on the ISOs but did not got new status reports ...
10:52 < n00kie> Well, the problem with me is, that I can't do that much status reports
10:52 < n00kie> only 1 a month
10:52 < n00kie> cause of my traffic flat
10:56 < rxr> this was not criticism on your - just a general note
10:56 < rxr> I thought to get more feedback from the original mailing-list boot discussion ...
10:56 < rxr> but they do not want to give feedback ...
11:06 < rxr> so freshmeat announcement submitted
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12:00 < hopelessOwl> moin
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12:05 * daja77 got some strange feeback, will have to dig through this before submitting this
12:09 < hopelessOwl> daja77: strange freeback??
12:10 < rxr> like my windows dialer does not work for seeing p....
12:13 < hopelessOwl> .oO( rxr has experiences with windows-dialer and pr0n? O_o )
12:34 < hopelessOwl> did i already mention, that i'm _hating_ naming of the pacakges especially for gnome and so?
13:12 < daja77> well let's put it like this, i don't know if he reported errors or just made mistakes
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13:14 < daja77> strange a guy in #svn is asking for python docs 
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14:00 * christ|an is away: essen
14:03 < rxr> hopelessOwl: no I have no experience with those - neither Windows - this was just a joke ...
14:05 < n00kie_> christ|an: Enjoy
14:17 < christ|an> thx
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14:30 < thorus> hi
14:33 < rxr> hi thorus 
14:35 < daja77> .oO /me making beginners errors in c++ today ...
14:40 < hopelessOwl> hihi. 
14:40 < hopelessOwl> hi daja77 , thorus 
14:47 < daja77> moin owl
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15:06 < _spectre> moin
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15:16 < rxr> anyone here?
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15:17 * daja77 half here
15:17 < tsa> hi all
15:17 < daja77> hi tsa
15:17 * SMP is
15:18 < rxr> has anyone noticed massive sound drops during running "stone install"
15:18 < rxr> ?
15:18 < rxr> (I know that this question is bizzare ...)
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15:20 < rxr> ping ?
15:20 < tsa> pong.
15:21 * tsa didn't notice anything.
15:21 < Freak> I have seriously been concerning to rock my powerbook....
15:21 < rxr> anything - or sound dropout and general yerkiness during runnin stone install ?
15:22 < Freak> just to see how multimedia performance would be..
15:22 < rxr> Freak: oh - nice! Why this now ?
15:22 * SMP never ran 'stone install'
15:22 < Freak> on debian, dvds keep framedropping
15:22 < Freak> I wanna have a try
15:23 < Freak> but I should have to split up my /home partition for some space to rock it.
15:24 < Freak> but I first gotta get it out of my car's trunk and that's actually pretty... let's call it the ugly part because I would have to go outside ;)
15:25 < rxr> SMP: could you just do so - with mp3 / oggvorbis running? you do not need to click anywhere - only take a look if it framedrops masively during stone start ...
15:26 < SMP> 'click'? I get a curses thing
15:27 < rxr> no sound drops?
15:27 < SMP> ok, stone -x11 install
15:27 < SMP> still no sound probs.
15:28 < rxr> ok - many thanks
15:28 < rxr> damn ppc kernel ...
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15:31 < rxr> hm - or is this devfs ...
15:33 < SMP> hmmm
15:33 < rxr> erhm - this are strange devfs consuming massive ammounts of CPU during node lookup problem
15:33 < rxr> (IISTC)
15:33 < rxr> if i see this correctly ...
15:33 * SMP needs to install X libs, VNC and a Web brower on an 1.5.20-stefanp serve r
15:35 < rxr> ah! This was usb-storage - trying to talk to a deice not present any longer - trying to read the partitions ...
15:45 < rxr> has someone jfs or xfs in the kernel ?
15:45 < rxr> and could paste the /proc/filesystems entries?
15:46 < rxr> I guess xfs and jfs ? ;-)
15:47 < SMP> exactly
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15:53 < tsa> *sigh*
15:53 < tsa> lots of outdated packages..
15:57 < SMP> tsa: ignore openhbci and those in my repo
15:58 < Freak> rxr: I'd like to compile rock myself on that powerbook, I guess you don't have a powerbook-precompiled iso?
15:59 < Freak> thing is.. this powerbook runs at 533mhz if I don't tell it to speed up. will the installsystem-kernel let me do something with /proc/cpufreq?
16:09 < rxr> oehm - I think the one on the install-disk might not have cpufreq support - the in-side kernel has.
16:10 < rxr> tsa: outdated != broken - and please test before update mail ...
16:12 -!- thorus_ is now known as thorus
16:13 < Freak> rxr: so...?
16:13 < rxr> Freak: do you want to compile yourself or have an ISO?
16:13 < rxr> Freak: for an binary installation it does not matter that much if you book runs at 533 or 800 Mhz ...
16:13 < Freak> I'm not sure if I really want to compile it on a 533mhz machine
16:14 < Freak> yes sure
16:14 < Freak> what would you recommend me to do?
16:16 < Freak> *shiver* why'd it have to get so cold?!
16:17 < rxr> install a precompiled - best 2.0.0-rx1 when it is out for ppc in as soon as the rs6k finishes it ...
16:18 < Freak> rs6k?
16:21 < rxr> IBM RS/6000
16:21 < Freak> sweet
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16:23 < Freak> rxr: will you tell me when it's done?
16:23 < rxr> jups
16:23 < Freak> tanks
16:24 < rxr> might take some days since it is only running at 375Mhz ...
16:24 < rxr> it is current at kdemultimedia - but need to build the install-disk target after that ...
16:24 < Freak> uh
16:24 < Freak> :( ok
16:32 < rxr> hm - I have a few releases before rc1 bootdisk - maybe I rebuild some parts of it - that will be quicker then rebuilding all ...
16:33 < Freak> :)
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16:43 < rxr> s/releases/revisions/
16:43 < tsa> lol
16:43 < tsa> http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/08/25/1910248
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16:45 < Freak> tsa: LOL
16:48 < esden> hi all!
16:49 < netrunner> hi esden 
16:50 < _spectre> hallo esden
16:50 < rxr> hi esden netrunner _spectre 
16:51 < netrunner> hi rxr #
16:51 < netrunner> ah ... my build finished 1  hour ago
16:51 -!- tsa is now known as tsa|afk
16:52 < netrunner> 1800 builds total, 1728 completed fine, 72 with errors. *err -> http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/err/server-2.0.0-rc2-x86-k6-2-32-generic-expert/
16:52 * netrunner -> coffee
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17:45 < rxr> re
17:46 < rxr> someone interested in an updated XFree whiteglass xterm cursor?
17:46 < rxr> I just tuned it a bit to be more noticeable 
17:46 < rxr> (not it is not blinked - just more contrast ...)
17:54 < mistik1> speaking of xfree86
17:54 < mistik1> I'm hearing some very interesting noise comming out of that camp
17:55 < mistik1> How would you like to see xdmcp replaced by ssh?
17:55 < rxr> mistik1: do you speak to me ?
17:55 < mistik1> how would you like to be able to do X over dialup or broadband with about as much noise as vnc
17:56 < mistik1> I speak to all who use X
17:56 < rxr> I do not use xdmcp ...
17:56 < mistik1> all who would love to use remotely without all the darn noise it makes on a network
17:57 < tsa|afk> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
17:57 -!- tsa|afk is now known as tsa
17:57 < rxr> mistik1: is this that new network compressed s.th. protocol ?
17:57 < rxr> tsa: as on most os my sites ..
17:57 < mistik1> I hear they are planning to use ssh itself
17:57 < tsa> hehe..nice page
17:58 < rxr> too bad clifford does not want to mess the typo3 with such a page
17:59 < mistik1> heh
17:59 < mistik1> I guess it gets the point across
17:59 < mnemoc> but a DocumentIndex protest.php index.php... ?
18:07 < tsa> ..would require modifications on all mirror sites.
18:08 < esden> rxr: that is really a mess ... 
18:08 < esden> rxr: I have to admit that I do not understand why he is against it ...
18:32 < rxr> re
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19:34 < fake> mornin
19:36 < netrunner> do we have a filesharing client in rock? what can you suggest, emule?
19:37 < netrunner> jo fale
19:37 < netrunner> aeh hi fake
19:39 < fake> hi fake
19:39 < fake> mldonkey
19:39 < fake> mathieu/mldonkey iirc
19:43 < fake> s,fake,netrunner
19:44 < fake> i am bizarre
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19:52 < hopelessOwl> hi fake , n00kie , rxr 
19:52 < hopelessOwl> aeh. ringo
19:55 < fake> gmornin owl
19:57 < netrunner> fake: talking to yourself you are :)
19:59 < hopelessOwl> someone knows a svcd-player (not mplayer)?
20:00 < Freak> what would "ultio mea est" mean?
20:01 < mnemoc> latin?
20:01 < Freak> i would guess so
20:01 < fake> hopelessOwl: xine
20:01 < mnemoc> the revange is mine
20:01 < Freak> ultio = revenge?
20:01 < Freak> sweet
20:01 < mnemoc> revange, punishment
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20:03 < hopelessOwl> ok. thx, fake 
20:04 < Freak> mnemoc: "kthx" as owl would say hehe
20:05 < mnemoc> :)
20:12 < hopelessOwl> O_o how many years does xine need to compile?
20:18 < tsa> 2.
20:19 < hopelessOwl> yes... seems so...
20:19 < hopelessOwl> .oO(after my dead, xine has finished building)
20:19 < hopelessOwl> s/dead/death
20:25 < netrunner> is anybody using that mldonkey?
20:26 < fake> sure
20:34 < hopelessOwl> wtf is *.mpe ?
20:35 < fake> mpeg made 8.3
20:35 < fake> ?
20:41 < hopelessOwl> huh?
20:41 < hopelessOwl> mein haaaaaals!!!! help!!!!
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20:44 < mnemoc> kernel panic?
20:44 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: ?
20:44 < jsaw_> re
20:44 < jsaw_> hi all
20:44 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
20:45 < hopelessOwl> .oO(ich fress' nen besen) 
20:45 < hopelessOwl> < watchin movie now. bbl
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21:14 < rxr> hi jsaw 
21:15 < rxr> re
21:15 < jsaw> hello
21:20 * netrunner is now happy mldonkeying
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21:48 < tcr> moin all
21:48 < netrunne1> huch? rene answers rlml mails in german :) he obviously needs some sleep.
21:49 < tcr> No, he thought he were only sending to me.. privately ;)
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21:58 < rxr> oh - did not see the CC ...
21:58 < rxr> I expected mail in my private inbox to be private ...
21:59 < tcr> It was
22:00 < tcr> "We need to switch from init script to directly starting via init
22:00 < tcr> anyway" -- What do you mean with this?
22:03 < rxr> ?dm do not work correctly when not executed by init directly ...
22:03 < rxr> it need to be in the inittab
22:03 < tcr> Ah
22:03 < tcr> Ok.. I was just a bit confused :)
22:06 < tsa> cu
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22:16 * -> esden installing cygwin to test rocklinux compile under cygwin ;)
22:20 < netrunne1> esden: you are bizzarre ... and will get a lot of .exe :)
22:20 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
22:25 < rxr> esden: maybe some dietlibc and alpha patches before this trip ?
22:28 < esden> rxr: I will send some of them tomorrow
22:28 < esden> rxr: at the moment I have a pretty fast box with windows on it in my hands and want to use it
22:29 < rxr> why?
22:30 < rxr> use it with linux ...
22:31 < rxr> 22:06 -!- tsa [tsa@pD9E11B23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["*plopp*"]
22:32 < rxr> sorry - the 2nd box mouse on the iBook was not such a good idea ...
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22:33 < esden> rxr: I will as soon as I have the rc1 iso here
22:33 < rxr> jsaw: what was the result with gnome2 last night ?
22:33 < esden> but we wanted to test rock with cygwin anyway
22:34 < jsaw> rxr: that's actually a bigger problem, and I think it's not gnome, but pango.
22:34 < rxr> sure - it is a gtk+/pango whatever low-level problem - just the base of gnome ..
22:34 < rxr> but you could repproduce it ?
22:34 < jsaw> I can't choose anything else than sans. With or without :unscaled.
22:35 < rxr> jsaw: even before when you claimed it was working ?
22:35 < jsaw> fontconfig seems ok.
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22:36 < jsaw> I was playing around with it quite a while ago. I thought I set it to Helvetica, but now it's Sans. (didn't realize, but the fonts are pretty similiar)
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22:44 < nisma> join #rocklinux
22:44 < rxr> hi nisma 
22:45 < rxr> hey ROCK Linux @ freshmeat.net: 10.99% (Rank 15)
22:46 < rxr> cool
22:46 < jsaw> brb
22:46 < rxr> I think now is a good time to pump dRock relase into freshmeat ;-)
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22:53 < nisma> intro
22:55 < esden> rxr: I think I have to rank rock ;)
22:55 < rxr> yes - and drock too please
22:58 < rxr> nisma: yes -hi
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23:09 < rxr> wow - three new people subscribed the freshmeat.net announcements of rock today ;-)
23:11 < rxr> jsaw: btw. are you subscribed to some gnome(-devel) list ?
23:13 * daja77 silently sneaking in
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23:16 < rxr> hi daja77 
23:16 < daja77> hi rxr
23:17 < daja77> one of your last mails to the list was in german ...
23:17 < rxr> yes - we already discussed this here
23:17 < daja77> oh :)
23:17 < rxr> it was from tcr and in my private inbox - so I replied in german ...
23:17 * daja77 had no time for rock stuff this weekend :(
23:19 < daja77> i'll fix rt stuff tomorrow to work with linux 2.4.22
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23:29 < jsaw> re
23:29 < jsaw> rxr: no
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23:40 < esden> rxr: where is the page for rockplug ... or is there none?
23:41 < esden> should it not be listed on rocklinux.org under related projects?
23:41 < jsaw> there is none.
23:42 < esden> jsaw: that is bad :(
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23:46 < rxr> yes - it should be listed there ...
23:46 < rxr> esden: why is this bad ?
23:49 < esden> rxr: because I think that it should be described
23:50 < rxr> it get a full chapter in the handbook once it is finished
23:50 < esden> that is good
23:50 < esden> still it should get a site of it's own I think
23:51 < rxr> yes - sure
23:51 < rxr> I'm just creating a basic plain version ...
23:51 < esden> rxr: very good
23:52 < jsaw> rxr: can you reserve one/two hours monday evening, we should discuss out some points of rockplug
23:55 < jsaw> rxr: please change gdm.init to kill gdm-binary! (gdm is a script only)
23:56 < rxr> jsaw: yes
23:56 < jsaw> I have to leave and do some "real" work...bbl
23:56 < rxr> jsaw: nope - I'm going to remove ?dm.init soon
23:56 < jsaw> rxr: okay, so we'll meet somewhen
23:56 < rxr> ok
23:57 < jsaw> and then we'll query...
23:57 < rxr> ok - viel erfolg bis dahin ;-)
23:57 < jsaw> cu guys!
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