--- Log opened Tue Sep 02 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Tue Sep 02 2003
00:00 < freed> hi all
00:00 < rxr> hi Freak 
00:00 < rxr> er freed 
00:01 < freed> hi rxr
00:02 < Freak> esden: hum.. doesnt help me :( my gruftistats doesn't seperate the stats by days at all.. so it counts all the last months' logs as one day
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00:22 < esden> Freak: I do not use the original
00:23 < esden> I use a bit changed version copyright /me ;)
00:23 < Freak> ah
00:23 < Freak> :)
00:24 < daja77> esden: what about the new stats?
00:24 < schrd> btw: whats the difference between stages 2-4?
00:25 * -> esden off for eating ... hopefully ;)
00:25 < tsa> http://www.gzip.org/gzip-1.2.4b.patch  <-- i'm an important patch and i have been tested. add me!
00:29 < rxr> tsa: have you relied to my mail?
00:29 < rxr> for which 16bit CPUs do you need it ?
00:30 < tsa> rxr: that was another patch.
00:30 < tsa> rxr: http://www.gzip.org/gzip-1.2.4b.patch is an important security fix.
00:31 < tsa> the other one was just a coding bug for some strange architectures - it might help someone who wants to port to a new arch, and it doesn't do any harm for everybody else.
00:31 < rxr> tsa: committed
00:32 < tsa> thx.
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00:42 < spectre|zZZZ> n8yn8
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00:44 < daja77> rxr: the info where to put the custom kernel config is missing in handbook
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00:46 < rxr> daja77: ack
00:46 < daja77> i was just asked ...
00:46 < daja77> and don't know it *shameonme*
00:47 < rxr> daja77: ./scripts/Config
00:47 < rxr> in the kernel section ...
00:47 < daja77> there i can apply rules yes
00:48 < daja77> thought there was an option to use a complete custom config
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00:53 < rxr> daja77: no - just a not-so-nice patch - I might add s.th. cleaner soon ...
00:54 < daja77> hmm ok
00:58 < netrunner> rxr: that config file is still wrong :(
00:59 * netrunner -> bed ... more testing tomorrow
00:59 < rxr> netrunner: :-(
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01:02 < tsa> rxr: do you still accept new packages?
01:03 < rxr> sure
01:04 < rxr> new package are better then wild updates
01:04 < tsa> hehe
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01:05 < tsa> just sent a patch for "ypserv" to the list..
01:06 < rxr> I think I should hack less - my left "handgelenk" feels like the beginning of "sehnenentzündung"
01:06 < daja77> use the right hand :)
01:06 < rxr> I need two to type in recent speed ...
01:07 < tsa> then stop _now_.
01:07 < daja77> you need viavoice *gg*
01:07 < schrd> is there any documentation for cluster build around?
01:07 < rxr> schrd: 
01:08 < daja77> yepp taking a break is better then _having_ to take it for a longer time
01:08 < tsa> hatever it is, it's not worth risking carpal tunnel syndrome.
01:08 < tsa> +w
01:08 < rxr> Documentation/BUILD-CLUSTER
01:08 < schrd> ah, thanks.
01:10 < rxr> hm - I'll progress some chapters of "Die unendliche Geschichte" to relax my hand
01:10 < rxr> maybe I should type less on the iBook - and more on say the U5 or so ...
01:10 < schrd> cluster build without a common file system is not possible, richt?
01:10 < daja77> good booj
01:10 < daja77> book
01:10 < schrd> s/ch/gh/
01:11 < rxr> schrd: yes - currently you need a shared FS
01:12 < schrd> hmm, not good.
01:12 < schrd> distcc build would be perfect
01:13 < schrd> daja77: probably i can convince kapet to use CLIC for cluster building
01:13 < daja77> schrd: hehe don't think so
01:13 < fake> nabend
01:13 * schrd could have up to 512 P3-800 then ;-)
01:13 < daja77> this would require devfs enabled kernels on these machines
01:13 < daja77> hi fake 
01:13 < schrd> daja77: no problem.
01:14 < schrd> but i think the major problem would be the requirement for root access
01:14 < daja77> schrd: well i thought of that too, because they don't use it anyway
01:14 < schrd> daja77: well, i could ask him to install a devfs kernel. that can be done quickly
01:15 < schrd> they have automated tools for that
01:15 < daja77> i know
01:15 < daja77> dunno if he likes the idea, but hey try it
01:15 < schrd> installing the whole cluster from scratch takes 3 hours only ;-)
01:15 < schrd> daja77: we could start a request.
01:15 < daja77> even if we "only" get 128 nodes or so
01:15 < schrd> hehe
01:15 < tsa> i'd _really_ like to see a complete build finish in 20 minutes ;-)))
01:16 < schrd> tsa: wenn, glibc takes more time for that.
01:16 < schrd> so 20 min is a bit optimistic ;-)
01:16 < daja77> 20h would be cool too
01:16 < fake> with more than 4 machines, build won't speed up much
01:17 < fake> with > 8 machines, nothing happens anymore
01:17 < daja77> fake: but it is still cool to waste that ressources
01:17 < fake> so 128 would be $(( 128 / 8 )) parallel parallel builds ;)
01:17 < schrd> well, but with a common filesystem it should be possible to use distcc i think
01:18 < schrd> so the packages themselves could be built in parallel if they support it.
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01:19 < schrd> na wenigstens baut er jetzt keinen Kernel mehr.
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01:19 < schrd> arg, sorry, wrong window ;-)
01:20 < daja77> :)
01:21 < schrd> there should be more number keys, so i could directly jump to window 11 ;-)
01:21 < daja77> ESC + q
01:21 < daja77> then w and e, works sane to window 14
01:24 < schrd> well, i don't think irssi would like this ;-)
01:24 < daja77> huh, what?
01:25 * daja77 always jumpimg directly to windows 1-14
01:43 < schrd> is it possible to build a router CD with rock, that has ssh, talkd+talk, inetd, iptables, iptraf and shell/fileutils installed, that boots into a ramdisk?
01:43 < schrd> what would be the best way to do that?
01:44 < rxr> schrd: cp router router-schred
01:44 < rxr> -r of course
01:44 * tsa sending next patch..
01:44 < rxr> and add the stuff to the package list and do a build
01:44 < rxr> and then start testing improving ...
01:45 < tsa> i wonder if we will hit the 1000 packages mark before 2.0 ;)
01:45 < rxr> yes - we will
01:45 < schrd> well i don't need and don't want things like gcc, kernel with modules, modutils and so on.
01:45 < schrd> this should be a minimalistic thing
01:45 < rxr> schrd: you need the gcc to build all the stuff
01:46 < rxr> the router also does not have them in the image
01:46 < rxr> the image is < 10 MB !
01:46 < schrd> yes, but it should not be installed on CD
01:46 < rxr> it _is not_
01:46 < schrd> okay, good.
01:46 < schrd> were is decided what will be on CD?
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01:46 < rxr> that is target specifc
01:46 < rxr> (currently)
01:47 < rxr> take a look into the router (or bootdisk) target
01:50 < rxr> re
01:50 * rxr on U5 now ...
01:51 < rxr> hopefully the Type5 will save my hands ...
01:51 < schrd> SPARC?
01:51 < tsa> hehe
01:51 < tsa> type5 keyboards rule.
01:51 < daja77> tsa: sorry had no time to packe yp stuff
01:51 < rxr> schrd: sure with ROCK on it ..
01:51 < daja77> package
01:51 < tsa> daja77: no problem..
01:51 * schrd has a type4 on his old SparcStation1 ;-)
01:51 < rxr> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta5 (2003/06/27)
01:52 < rxr> schrd: hey! I have s sparcstation2 since a few days!
01:52 < tsa> hm..
01:52 < rxr> schrd: but I have no SBUS FX card yet ...
01:52 < schrd> rxr: do you really think it would be a good idea to build rock on a sparcstaion1? ;-)
01:52 < tsa> ss4/ss5/ss20/u10/u60
01:52 < rxr> schrd: no
01:52 < tsa> ;-)
01:52 < rxr> even the U5 is slow ...
01:53 < tsa> (ss4 and ss5 currently both suffering from broken RAM)
01:53 < schrd> well the ss1 is basically good enough to use as a dumb X11 terminal
01:53 < schrd> althoug it only has 8bit graphics (horror)
01:54 < schrd> and KDE with a 10 MBit/s network is not too much fun ;-)
01:54 < tsa> don't use kde, then ;-)
01:55 * schrd likes KDE, so will continue using it ;-)
01:55 < schrd> with lowcolor theme it ist quite acceptable
01:55 < daja77> lol you will never convince schrd to use sth else
01:55 < schrd> daja77: well on my notebook i have blackbox due to RAM shortage ;-)
01:55 * tsa shuts up before we'll start a windowmanager flamewar ;-)
01:55 < rxr> and why - KDE is great - no discussion / convincing needed
01:56 < daja77> hehe
01:56 < rxr> :-)
01:56 * daja77 recently started to like it a bit
01:57 < schrd> the most peeving thing on this ss1 thing is the lack for mouse wheel ;-)
01:58 < fake> hi rxr
01:58 < schrd> there is strange crashes if you use x2x and use the mouse wheel ;-)
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02:00 < tsa> rxr: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/esound/0.2/esound-0.2.31.tar.bz2 is newer than the version in your package..
02:00 < tsa> just FYI..
02:01 * tsa testing
02:03 < rxr> oh my is this SPARC box slow ...
02:03 < tsa> == 09/02/03 02:03:32 =[5]=> Finished building package esound.
02:03 < tsa> 0.2.31 compiles.
02:04 < tsa> feel free to update if you want.
02:04 * daja77 has a node in his brain where sparc is hardwired to slow
02:04 < schrd> ;-)
02:05 < schrd> well its SUN, any questions? ;-)
02:05 < daja77> yes, why all the linux people want to have solaris instead of linux?
02:05 * daja77 evilly grinning
02:05 < rxr> the SUN is moving and shining quite fast ...
02:05 < schrd> "75% of all braindead APIs Unix is suffering from these days are from BSD. The rest comes from sun" -- Felix von Leitner
02:06 < daja77> schrd: hehe yes, that's why there will be no dietibc port to solaris too ...
02:06 < tsa> daja77: there's lots of possible reasons.
02:06 * schrd definitly does _not_ want to touch anything of this solaris crap again
02:06 < tsa> many people develop their software on soalris because of posix conformance.
02:07 * schrd remembers the pain of administering solaris boxes.
02:07 < schrd> solaris is obsolete ;-)
02:07 < fake> solaris is o.k.
02:07 < daja77> tsa: well sun said we all want to have solaris, but don't have it cos we can't afford it
02:07 < fake> the one that reallu sucks is hp-ux
02:07 < schrd> aix sucks as well.
02:08 < fake> (su-xx)
02:08 < daja77> fake: there is always a way to do it worse :)
02:08 < schrd> fake: HPsUX
02:08 < fake> aix has its nice features..
02:08 < tsa> rxr: what do you think about esound..?
02:08 < schrd> <hint>smitty</hint>
02:08 < tsa> hehe
02:09 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch curl-7.10.7 | patch -p0
02:09 < daja77> fake: don't worry hp announced that linux will replace unix ...
02:10 < rxr> damn - once in a year I need a sf.net CVS - and it is down
02:10 < tsa> hehe
02:10 < fake> nooo....
02:10 < tsa> rxr: read the last few lines?
02:10 < rxr> tsa: already applied
02:10 < tsa> rxr: both esound and curl?
02:10 < daja77> fake: don't know it they are a linux company now *rofl*
02:11 < schrd> the history of AIX: two aliens met to create a operating system. the one alien was a unix alien, the other a mainframe one. the bad thing is that they did not understand each other, so they invented AIX, to combine the worst of both.
02:11 < rxr> erhm no curl not sorry missed
02:11 < rxr> this - could you test a build
02:11 < rxr> we experienced some early stage buidls problems during the last updates ...
02:12 < tsa> already tested it - curl compiles, too.
02:13 < rxr> yeah - but not the first stages ...
02:13 < tsa> i'm in 5.
02:13 < daja77> we need curl in an early stage, huh
02:14 < rxr> ok - applied
02:14 < rxr> daja77: yes you might want i on a new ia64 or whatever bootstrap
02:14 < rxr> daja77: you still have not got the meaning of the first change-root stages I think ...
02:15 < tsa> i'm currently aborting the build for every package and check if it's up-to-date..
02:15 * fake having a good glass of wine
02:15 < tsa> takes ages, but at least we're getting current versions.
02:16 < daja77> rxr: there are just a few words about this in the handbook btw :)
02:16 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch ncftp-3.1.6 | patch -p0
02:16 < tsa> (tested in stage 5)
02:16 < fake> daja77: touche!
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02:17 < daja77> :)
02:17 < rxr> tsa: applied
02:17 < tsa> thx ;)
02:21 < tsa> ok, that's enough for today.
02:21 < tsa> going to get some sleep.
02:21 < fake> n8 tsa
02:22 < tsa> cu all.
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02:22 < n00kie> Hi mates :)
02:23 < rxr> jsaw: !!! ARGH !!!
02:24 < rxr> jsaw: please fix your patch generator - but not resend you patch
02:24 < rxr> jsaw: oh - sorry - wrong file - oops
02:24 < rxr> jsaw: forget this ...
02:26 < fake> ^U^U^U^U
02:27 < daja77> you mean 4dd :)
02:28 < schrd> ;-)
02:28 < fake> ^Z^Z^Z^Z ?
02:28 < fake> or click undo 4 times...
02:28 < daja77> 4u
02:28 < jsaw> rxr: ?
02:32 < esden> thank god svn is so fast ... otherwise I would never get that three svn trees on my disc in sync when rxr is committing like a wild ... as it is at the moment ;)
02:32 < rxr> jsaw: nothing - mistyped a filename sorry
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02:32 < esden> as he is of course
02:32 < jsaw> rxr: phew, I was really afraid...
02:32 < fake> hi esden
02:32 < esden> hi fake 
02:34 < n00kie> Hola fake
02:34 < n00kie> esden :)
02:34 < esden> hi n00kie 
02:34 < daja77> esden!
02:35 < esden> daja77: ?
02:35 * fake Apocalyptica - Driven
02:35 < daja77> oh nothing just a scream of joy
02:36 < esden> yes I am also happy to see you daja77 ;)
02:36 * -> esden eating taco's with milk ;)
02:36 < daja77> urgs
02:38 < rxr> fake: hey apocalyptica are nice!
02:39 < daja77> fake: send mp3
02:39 < fake> rxr: to be exact, they rock. currently my playlist is Nirvana & Apocalyptica
02:39 < rxr> ok - me now at "sad but true"
02:40 < fake> ui
02:41 * daja77 listening to musical stuff .oO
02:43 * -> esden playlist is empty at the moment because I have a sleeping hacker on my floor ;)
02:43 < fake> esden: hannes?
02:43 < esden> fake: ack
02:44 < fake> esden: greet and kick him from me
02:44 < esden> I can not do that to him today .. but I will tomorrow
02:44 < daja77> hannes?
02:44 < esden> he needs sleep for work tomorrow
02:45 < fake> which work is he at, atm? do you know?
02:45 < esden> fake: knorr bremse as usual
02:45 < esden> or how it is called
02:45 < fake> esden: ah
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02:46 < daja77> lol
02:50 * daja77 now off to bed cu
02:51 < jsaw> rxr: could you send I'm-not-commiting-the-next-10-seconds emails, so that I know, when it's worth updating? ;-)
02:52 * jsaw is brewing coffee
02:52 < fake> *lol*
02:52 * fake getting more wine
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02:54 < rxr> jsaw: now
02:55 < rxr> it is just that sf.net CVS was down - so I temprorily switched to TODO item 2 ...
02:57 < rxr> oh! after 20 tries now source files of cpufred are slowly dripping to my disk ...
02:57 < rxr> damn sf.net
02:57 < fake> hush
03:01 < rxr> aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
03:01 < rxr> are those guys stupid - damn whatever?????????????????????????
03:01 < rxr> the current cpufred includes ebuild scripts for gentoo
03:01 < fake> hey, cool
03:01 < rxr> should we also start to polute all packages with .desc/.conf files .... ?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!!??!?!?!?!
03:01 < fake> *checksemout*
03:02 < fake> ;-) relax, rene
03:03 < rxr> fake: I can't see this g word anymore ...
03:04 < fake> which? G - E - N - T - O - O  ?
03:04 * fake just remembers LinuxTag and grins
03:05 < esden> argh argh .. fake my eyes are burning
03:05 < esden> you must not write that combination of letters
03:05 < fake> <- the evil eye-burner
03:05 < esden> that hurts deep in my head
03:05 < fake> your eyes are deep in your head?
03:06 < esden> they burn just before it starts burning in my head
03:07 < fake> ah, i c.
03:07 < fake> happens to me all the time...
03:07 < fake> ... i looj into the mirror.
03:08 < esden> so do not look in the mirror
03:08 < fake> i try to.
03:08 < esden> remove all mirrors in your environment ...
03:09 < fake> nobody would mirror me, anyways
03:09 < fake> too much bandwith consumption...\
03:09 * -> esden rsyncing fake 
03:09 < fake> my pimple turnover is pretty heavy, so even an rsync might suck...
03:10 < esden> what a turnover o_O?
03:10 < rxr> krass
03:10 < fake> the total amount of pimples i develop and drop in a given period of time
03:11 < rxr> yesterday I had 26.21 GB traffic on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
03:11 < esden> rxr: what is your uni saying to that?
03:11 < esden> fake: i c
03:11 < rxr> nothing yet
03:11 < fake> rxr: bwuahaha
03:11 < esden> that is good
03:12 < rxr> AFAIK outgoing traffic is free for members of the DFN
03:12 < rxr> Deutsches Forschungs Netz ...
03:12 < fake> ack
03:13 < esden> I really should ask if I can put a box in the uni somewhere ... as rock mirror
03:13 < rxr> the bad thing is - -rc1 could be better - I hope it is good enougth for new people to join ...
03:15 < esden> I installed it yesterday and even if there were lots of errors during the final database generation ... and setkbmap dvorak in console is not working propperly and rockplug is telling that no usb modules are there (they are compiled in the kernel as it seems) everything seems to be ok
03:16 < fake> besides the ... and the ... and ... and ... ..... j/k ;)
03:16 < rxr> which final database generation
03:16 < rxr> this scrollkeeper fluff ???
03:16 < esden> I will try an other insall tomorrow and post a more verbose bug report on the mailinglist
03:16 < esden> rxr: ack
03:17 < fake> rxr: btw, prelink is not nice to mine-generated checksums
03:17 < esden> and some modules have unresolved symbols but do not ask me which at the moment
03:17 < rxr> fake: I know
03:17 < rxr> esden: I think this where only three or four, correct?
03:18 < esden> two to be exact
03:18 < fake> sedlbauer?
03:19 < esden> I installed the box over network ... and I have to say that we really need the finding of possible installation directorys in stone
03:19 < fake> Heroin - Geschichte: 1898 von der Fa. Bayer entwickelt und patentiert. 
03:20 < esden> I will probably send that lame patch tomorrow after I made that test install
03:20 < esden> currently I am fighting with cleaning up parse-config-9 of dietlibc
03:22 < fake> Ecstasy  - Geschichte: erstmalig 1899 von der Fa. Merck hergestellt und als Appetitzügler einsgesetzt, später in der Psychotherapie angewandt. 
03:22 < fake> the late 1800th.. the years of drug invention
03:24 < rxr> jsaw: could you fix this cron.d scrollkeeper annoyance :-)
03:25 < jsaw> rxr: what's wrong with it?
03:26 < rxr> it still tries to download stuff from sf.net and outputs many errors ...
03:36 < esden> ok .. I go to bed ... I finish the cleanup tomorrow
03:36 < esden> good night folks
03:36 < fake> n8
03:37 * fake off, too
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03:41 < jsaw> Use xmllint on any file with its DTD not referenced in /etc/xml/catalog
03:41 < jsaw> (non-existent by default on Debian, as the XML policy work hasn't been
03:41 < jsaw> finished). It will download the DTD to validate it. This is normal
03:41 < jsaw> behaviour.
03:41 < jsaw> dito for scrollkeeper...
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03:42 < jsaw> now the question is, how to find out, which dtds have to be downloaded...
03:43 < jsaw> hehe, in the same mail: "What inspired you to become a bus driver?" Linus Torvalds
03:48 < jsaw> rxr: got some time now?
03:50 < rxr> for plug?
03:51 < jsaw> yep
03:52 < jsaw> no implementation specific stuff, only design issues
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03:52 < rxr> in maybe 10 minutes?
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03:53 < jsaw> k
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04:23 < rxr> oh my
04:23 < jsaw> ?
04:23 < rxr> C debbuging is slow
04:26 < rxr> s/slow/wasting time/ ...
04:27 < jsaw> your own or somebody else' code
04:29 < rxr> hehe my own 
04:29 < rxr> I port it to yet a changed API and yet another tokenizing style
04:29 < rxr> snd this string mangling is rather error prone in C ...
04:30 < rxr> but I'll get it into the next cpufreqd version :-)!
04:30 < jsaw> what debugger are u using?
04:31 < rxr> hm? I use gdb ...
04:31 < rxr> but finished now 
04:32 < jsaw> oh, I meant, are u using a visual interface?
04:32 < rxr> nope
04:32 < rxr> dd sucks
04:32 < rxr> +d
04:32 < rxr> and insight, too
04:32 < jsaw> why?
04:32 < rxr> do you know another?
04:32 < jsaw> ddd
04:32 < jsaw> is what I usually used
04:32 < jsaw> then there's xxgdb, and others I forgot
04:33 < jsaw> anjuta has an internal one
04:33 < rxr> well kdevelop, too
04:33 < rxr> but at least for kdevelop I think you need to create a project ...
04:33 < jsaw> right, I don't use kde...
04:33 < rxr> anyway
04:34 < rxr> doing this "adaption to cpufreqd CVS" I really know again why I like SVN ...
04:37 < rxr> do you s.th. for the next minutes - or should I wait to update it's manpage later?
04:38 < jsaw> ?
04:38 < rxr> I now finished the C part of cpufreqd now the manpage needs some corrections ...
04:39 < jsaw> a german-english ("do you s.th.")... hehe, yes I do sth., but sth. I can interrupt whenever..
04:39 < jsaw> s/a /ah /
04:39 < jsaw> strange, I speak german-english also, but I have problems understanding it...
04:40 < rxr> jsaw: oh - I missed some words in that sentence ...
04:41 < rxr> ok - we could start in soem seconds
04:42 < jsaw> rockplug?
04:42 < jsaw> rxr: let's do it this way, I query you and start writing some points I have in mind. Wheneever u have time - or I, we continue.
04:45 < rxr> jups
04:45 < rxr> so cpufreqd patch out ...
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05:04 < schrd_> .oO(thou shalt not grep in /dev/mem as root)
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05:04 < mnemoc> rxr: /dev nodes are not compatibles with devfs ... at least /dev/log
05:05 < mnemoc> that was why that crap rh 7.1 didn't come back after adding devfs support (nomount)
05:05 < rxr> /dev/log?
05:05 < rxr> this was some special /dev thing, yes?
05:06 < rxr> what is the problem?
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05:59 < mnemoc> just a comment :) ... after booting the rh with devfs=nomount boot process 'hanged' starting syslogd so i guess /dev/log has something different ;)
06:00 < mnemoc> but forcing mount on rc.sysvinit and loading devfsd is enought to make rh have and devfs enabled
06:03 < mnemoc> s/have/work/
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07:00 < mnemoc> gn8 rl
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08:33 < netrunner> moin
08:33 < netrunner> rxr: the value to large error vanished. 
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10:59 < cchamilt> who originally had directfb and dfbsee?  I forget.
11:01 < cchamilt> rxr: Can you svn mv snort to a new package/cchamilt?  Not sure if you saw the request in maillist.
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11:42 < SMP> hi cchamilt ..
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12:35 < hopelessOwl> good morning
13:00 < Freak> go get it! http://freshmeat.net/projects/preciousgreen/?topic_id=918
13:00 < Freak> ;)
13:15 < hopelessOwl> looks very green.
13:15 < rxr> netrunner: vanished - no I added the -f... to the gcc-options ...
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13:52 < DeElsasser> moin moin
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14:40 < hopelessOwl> http://www.jf-archiv.de/archiv02/152yy54.htm
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14:46 < rolla> re
14:46 < hopelessOwl> hi rolla 
14:49 < rolla> hallo
14:54 < mnemoc> hullo
14:56 < hopelessOwl> hi mnemoc 
14:58 < mnemoc> hi happyowl
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15:06 < Freak> hopelessOwl: no, don't say you un-ig'ed me?!!
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15:06 < hopelessOwl> *g*
15:06 < Freak> please reestablish ignore!!
15:06 < hopelessOwl> why?
15:06 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla
15:07 < Freak> else we're gonna fight again anyways
15:07 < Freak> I know myself too well ;P
15:07 < hopelessOwl> nah... not really
15:07 < mnemoc> happyowl is a new owl ;)
15:07 < Freak> hehehe
15:08 < hopelessOwl> nah. also not really
15:08 < hopelessOwl> Command Wrapper Debug: running 'Cross_CC_not_bui
15:08 < hopelessOwl> lt_so_far_cc --version' .
15:08 < hopelessOwl> ^^ means?
15:09 < hopelessOwl> /src/erebos-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 623: type: C
15:09 < hopelessOwl> ross_CC_not_built_so_far_cc: not found
15:09 < hopelessOwl> /src/erebos-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 623: Cross_C
15:09 < hopelessOwl> C_not_built_so_far_cc: command not found
15:09 < hopelessOwl> [ writing debug log to /mnt/disk/6/erebos-build/src.li
15:09 < hopelessOwl> nux.1062513964.2169.1360257375/cmd_wrapper.log ]
15:09 < hopelessOwl> Running main build function 'build_this_package' ...
15:09 < hopelessOwl> Extracting linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-progra
15:09 < hopelessOwl> m=bzip2 -xf) ...
15:09 < hopelessOwl> Changeing into /mnt/disk/6/erebos-build/src.linux.1062
15:09 < hopelessOwl> 513964.2169.1360257375/linux-2.4.22 ...
15:10 < hopelessOwl> Creating /mnt/disk/6/erebos-build/build/default-2.0.0-
15:10 < hopelessOwl> rc2-x86-base/root/usr/<..> if required ...
15:10 < hopelessOwl> rm -f include/asm
15:10 < hopelessOwl> ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
15:10 < hopelessOwl> /bin/sh scripts/Configure arch/i386/config.in
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15:31 < cytrinox> hi
15:31 < hopelessOwl> hi cytrinox 
15:39 < netrunner> rxr: yes, I meant vanished by the cause of your change :)
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16:06 < hopelessOwl> hi nisma 
16:07 < nisma> hi hoelessOwl
16:08 < nisma> hopelessOwl: sorry i have mispelled your name
16:08 < hopelessOwl> np. it's not important. i'm not important
16:08 < nisma> esden: have you seen the tcc compiler
16:09 < nisma> hopelessOwl: it's a matter of view, everyone has it's value
16:09 < mnemoc> how can i use regexps to exclude in a recursive diff?
16:09 < hopelessOwl> hm. not really.
16:10 < mnemoc> everyone has it's value but you don't want to see it
16:12 < hopelessOwl> nope. i just see the default's people value - which see me as "black-dressed asshole" - and they're fscking right whith their opinion. i'm just a fscking looser who better should never have been born
16:13 < mnemoc> even you have a value... hard to find but it is there
16:13 < mnemoc> ask your boyfriend ;)
16:14 < hopelessOwl> hm.
16:15 * mnemoc kidding about the 'hard to find' part :)
16:17 < mnemoc> do u have a picture to see how does a 'black-dressed' happyowl looks like?
16:18 < hopelessOwl> yes. here: http://the-null.de.vu/misc/private/PIC_0070.JPG
16:20 < mnemoc> nice picture :)
16:20 < hopelessOwl> hm. depends on the point of view. imho i'm ugly
16:22 < mnemoc> at least in that picture you DON'T look ugly... and u have good aura to get those birds around you ;)
16:23 < hopelessOwl> yes. birds and every pet and so i get around of me... and even horse which are normally known as biting-horses, are not biting me. 
16:23 < holyolli> <-- bbl. brewery-visiting.. ;-)
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16:24 < hopelessOwl> *rofl*
16:24 < hopelessOwl> bye alcoholy  - bring alk to me, too, please
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16:41 < daja77> re
16:42 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
16:43 < daja77> hi mnemoc :)
16:43 < daja77> rolla: ping
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16:56 < rolla> daja77: 
16:56 < daja77> hey rolla
16:56 < daja77> do you have some minutes for me?
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17:16 < daja77> hehe svn 0.28.2 just released
17:21 < mnemoc> i don't see the patch.. didn't you finish the test? 
17:21 < mnemoc> ;)
17:21 < daja77> well rxr will decide when we ugrade ...
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17:46 < DeElsasser> re
17:46 < daja77> wb DeElsasser 
17:47 < DeElsasser> hi daja77
17:48 < DeElsasser> I had a look to the postgresql doc: woaw!!!
17:49 < DeElsasser> I can forgot mysql 
17:49 < schrd> postgresql rocks
17:49 < mnemoc> mysql SUCKS.. with capital letters
17:50 < DeElsasser> daja77: did you use pl/pgsql?
17:50 < daja77> yeah 
17:50 < mnemoc> is worst than ms access :(
17:50 < daja77> DeElsasser: i did
17:50 < mnemoc> s/is/it's/
17:50 < DeElsasser> looks good :-)
17:50 < schrd> well, actually, mysql is not a database, just slip box with an embedded sql interpreter
17:52 < DeElsasser> mnemoc: what is worst?
17:53 < DeElsasser> wurst?
17:54 < DeElsasser> hello owl ;-)
17:57 < mnemoc> mysql is worst that ms access
17:58 < DeElsasser> yes ok, but what means worst?
17:58 < esden> mnemoc: you want to say that mysql is wors_e_ then ms access
17:58 < daja77> exaggeration of bad
17:59 < esden> or am I wrong?
18:00 < DeElsasser> thx daja77
18:02 < DeElsasser> cu all
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18:07 < esden> question ... is there a possibility to check which variables are set by a regular expression ... that means I want to see if var_bla_* exist and are set to 1 and what are their names ...
18:07 < mnemoc> bash has a method to enum vars
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18:09 < daja77> hi Ge0rG 
18:09 * daja77 arguing with Alita about her hp atm :)
18:09 < Ge0rG> hiho :)
18:26 < mnemoc> esden: ${!foo*}
18:28 < esden> mnemoc: that is what I wanted to have :
18:28 < esden> variable_gcc3=0
18:28 < esden> variable_gcc33=0
18:28 < esden> for i in $(set | cut -f1 -d'=' | grep '^variable_gcc'); do
18:28 < esden>         [ "$(eval echo \$$i)" = 1 ] && echo "$i is set"
18:28 < esden> done
18:28 < esden> the contetnts of variables can be set to 1 
18:29 < esden> then they are being found as set
18:29 < esden> perhups there is a more clean solution
18:30 < esden> ahh ok ... ${!foo*} makes it cleaner
18:30 < esden> thanks
18:32 < mnemoc> :)
18:32 < mnemoc> and a bit faster ;)
18:33 < esden> yes that for sure
18:37 < esden> you know what? I love shellscripting ;)
18:38 < mnemoc> you must read advanced bash guide ;)
18:38 < esden> I do all the time ... but have not found that there
18:38 < esden> I should once read it from the beginning to the end not leaving any word out
18:39 < rxr> oO
18:40 < rxr> the XFree .11 seems to be highly buggy
18:40 < esden> hi rxr 
18:40 < rxr> the input changed made the thing non-startable for me
18:40 < mnemoc> wb rxr
18:44 < rxr> hi all, hi esden mnemoc ... :-)
18:48 < mnemoc> esden: did rxr auth u in fm?
18:50 < esden> no he did not ... :(((
18:50 < mnemoc> :(
19:02 < rxr> esden: I did not was where to do this - I take a look
19:04 < rxr> esden: I do not see soem auth stuff
19:04 < rxr> there - what do you specifically need - and why?
19:05 < mnemoc> up/right corner
19:05 < mnemoc> login
19:05 < mnemoc> friends
19:05 < mnemoc> emails
19:06 < esden> rxr: that is only fun ... nothing else ...
19:06 < esden> rxr: emails are blinking for sure in the right upper corner
19:06 < esden> rxr: there is a auth request from me
19:08 < mnemoc> esden: he knows you violate the license of the handbook... that's why he doesn't want you as 'friend' :|
19:08 < esden> mnemoc: hehe ;-)
19:08 < mnemoc> heee knows what you did
19:08 < rxr> ah there! Easy to overlook
19:08 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you mean with this handbook thinh?
19:09 < esden> rxr: I printed out your handbook to read offline I hope that is ok ;-)
19:09 < esden> I do not like to have my laptop in bathroom to read the handbook
19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: esden: done
19:10 < rxr> esden: the option only applies to commercial publication / commercial use
19:11 < rxr> if you all print it out - give it over to friends - or read thm at work - even printing at work in normal quantaties is perfectly ok
19:11 < esden> ahh ... good to know
19:11 < esden> thanks
19:12 < rxr> you can even do modification - and redistribute it in electronic for - just commercial publication needs to be signed by me ...
19:14 < daja77> i saw that you switched to open publication license?
19:15 < mnemoc> i have TWO friends... i'm the happiest person in the world :)
19:15 < rxr> yes
19:15 < daja77> :)
19:15 < daja77> mnemoc: lol
19:15 < mnemoc> you are not my friend... yet
19:15 < daja77> :(
19:16 < esden> daja77: is nobody's friend ;)
19:16 < daja77> you are mean
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19:16 < esden> daja77: go to fm and request friendship's from us ;-)
19:16 < daja77> *sniff*
19:17 < daja77> O_o
19:17 < RaphaelL> hello all!
19:17 < daja77> hi RaphaelL 
19:17 < RaphaelL> is Rene here?
19:17 < rxr> yes - it's /me
19:18 < RaphaelL> ah, good to know :)
19:18 < RaphaelL> thanks for your mail, I really had no idea where this library comes from (libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3)
19:18 < RaphaelL> and it was a blender binary from their homepage
19:19 < RaphaelL> 2.28
19:19 < rxr> ...
19:19 < rxr> build your own one - it will be linked against the correct libstdc++ ...
19:20 < rxr> or do a symlink - but this is ugly and may not work
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19:20 < RaphaelL> yes, that's surely better, I have RC1 now on my system,
19:20 < RaphaelL> Blender was not included (afaik) in rc1
19:20 < daja77> rxr: the symlinking usually works :)
19:20 < RaphaelL> can I download the blender package now anyway?
19:20 < RaphaelL> with the scripts and all
19:22 < RaphaelL> (sorry if I don't know too much about rock yet)
19:25 < mnemoc> nobody is perfect
19:25 < daja77> scripts/Emerge-Pkg
19:26 < mnemoc> daja77: don't u wanna be my friend? :'(
19:27 < daja77> mnemoc: huh, you said that I am not ...
19:27 < RaphaelL> ok, I'll check it right away...
19:28 < mnemoc> <esden> daja77: go to fm and request friendship's from us ;-)
19:29 * daja77 busy
19:30 < RaphaelL> I have /usr/src/rock-src in a freshly installed system, right? But this doesn't hold the current config and build of the system, so how can I use the scripts to work on my installation?
19:31 < daja77> scripts/Update-Src
19:31 < daja77> scripts/Config 
19:31 < daja77> :)
19:31 < mnemoc> your current config is at /etc/ROCK-CONFIG 
19:32 < RaphaelL> thanks!! (sorry that I'm asking stupid questions here), I will check it out
19:33 < mnemoc> ok... Mr. Daja...i got it... you are too busy to be owr friend :(
19:33 < daja77> oh there have been really stupid questions here, so don't worry about these
19:33 * daja77 kicks mnemoc 
19:33 < mnemoc> :)
19:34 < mnemoc> that's my daja
19:35 < mnemoc> daja77: do you remember the guy who ask for building rock with visual c++?
19:35 < daja77> ahem no, must have been fun
19:35 < esden> hehe that is a nice idea
19:35 < esden> and not that unprobable
19:36 < esden> ;)
19:36 * daja77 registers bogon emissions from esden 
19:36 < mnemoc> bbl
19:36 * -> esden made thoughts about cygwin target in rocklinux ... that will be a nice project ;)
19:36 < RaphaelL> :) is downloading
19:36 < daja77> oh c'mon  don't tell me that fm can't do ssl
19:37 < RaphaelL> mnemoc, how is your mono doing?
19:37 < rxr> me fetching XFree CVS to get some "fix the tree to work again" patches out of it ...
19:37 < mnemoc> bbl <-- be back later ;)... cu
19:38 < daja77> cu mnemoc 
19:38 < esden> cu mnemoc 
19:39 < RaphaelL> bye mnemoc
19:39 < rxr> oOoO
19:39 < rxr> yesterday we had 26.21 GB
19:39 < rxr> today it are also already: 10.70 GB
19:44 < daja77> hmm rxr: invalid user id
19:45 < daja77> on fm
19:48 < esden> ok ... first errors during the installation of rc1
19:49 < esden> while loading 2nd stage image: insmod minix failed
19:49 < esden> insmod nls_iso8859-1 failed
19:49 < esden> insmod nls_iso8859-1 failed (yes second time)
19:51 < esden> loading keyboard mapping is not working
19:51 < esden> "loadkeys dvorak" yelds cannot open file dvorak
19:51 * daja77 rating drock
19:52 < esden> "loadkeys de" yelds /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de.map.gz:8: cannot open include file qwertz-layout
19:52 < daja77> oh RockLinux status at beta7
19:54 < esden> rxr: please add qwertz-layout and dvorak to 2nd stage image
19:55 < esden> or should I create a patch for it?
19:55 < daja77> wow  Subscribers: 32 for RockLinux
19:56 * daja77 off now
19:56 < daja77> cu later
20:05 < RaphaelL> is PostgreSQL in any ROCK repository?
20:06 < esden> RaphaelL: find package -name "*postgre*"
20:06 < esden> in the rock source tree
20:07 * safedin is away: bbl
20:07 < RaphaelL> huh, great :-)
20:07 < RaphaelL> so I could just ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg postgresql ?
20:08 < esden> RaphaelL: should work yes 
20:09 * -> esden has to admit that he never tryed to emerge a packet
20:09 < RaphaelL> already downloading :)
20:10 < RaphaelL> it's version 7.3.3
20:10 < RaphaelL> the current version is 7.3.4
20:10 < RaphaelL> is michael online? could anyone ask him to update?
20:10 < esden> RaphaelL: you could update it by yourself ;)
20:10 < RaphaelL> but it's great that this emerge thing works so well (just emerged blender 20 minutes ago)
20:11 < RaphaelL> sure :)
20:11 < RaphaelL> but I don't need the most up to date, it's only for some testing yet
20:11 < esden> and send patch to the ml ... but please test it before you send the update in
20:11 < RaphaelL> patching,... yes, I will read all the ROCK docs before doing something like that
20:12 < esden> RaphaelL: read Documentation/Developers/PATCHES before you create one
20:12 < esden> hehe ... /me is too slow ;)
20:12 < RaphaelL> I have read some, but am by no means familiar enough yet to understand the whole source of ROCK...
20:12 < esden> ohh updating a packet is the easiest task ;)
20:13 < RaphaelL> I have a fast internet connection at my brother's home
20:15 < RaphaelL> just,... oh yes
20:15 < RaphaelL> it's just to modify the url, right?
20:15 < RaphaelL> in some conf file
20:15 < RaphaelL> of the package
20:15 < RaphaelL> well, ...
20:16 < esden> yes the url and the [V] tag as also the checksum
20:18 < mnemoc> re
20:18 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: what did u asked about m,ono?
20:20 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch
20:21 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download
20:21 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-CksumPatch 
20:21 < mnemoc> patch -p1
20:21 < RaphaelL> does it work?
20:21 < rxr> re
20:22 < mnemoc> it works at my home ;)
20:22 < RaphaelL> great
20:23 < mnemoc> lunch... brb
20:30 < esden> rxr: are there sparc iso's somewhere?
20:31 < esden> I will have access to a 4 processor sparc box the day after tomorrow
20:31 < esden> and want to test it there
20:32 < esden> rxr: see scrollback because of installation bugtracking
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20:33 < LocalHero> Hi all
20:33 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
20:33 < rxr> esden: no SPARC ISOs - at least no installable
20:33 < LocalHero> rxr, hi, whazzup?
20:33 < esden> rxr: shit!!!
20:33 < rxr> esden: sparc is just a if-free-time project with low-priority (for me)
20:34 < esden> rxr: ok no problem
20:34 < rxr> in some weeks or months we will have full SPARC support
20:34 < esden> I do not have a sparc box at the moment so I can not do anything >_<
20:34 < rxr> definetely in 2.0.x, maybe x == .2, .3 or .4 ...
20:34 < rxr> esden: maybe alpha ...
20:35 < esden> that is only because I have access to that sweet box I wanted to test it there
20:35 < esden> but if it is not possible I will have to live with it 
20:35 < esden> rxr: I am hacking on dietlibc at the moment ...
20:36 < LocalHero> Anybody know what to do if i have a box and when trying to tunnel x i get this. Error: Can't open display: oggy:11.0
20:36 * -> esden creating gcc3-dietlibc packet at the moment
20:36 < esden> because my first solution was not nice
20:36 < SMP> LocalHero: noch xauth forwarding?
20:36 < SMP> ehm. 'no'
20:36 < LocalHero> SMP, hi :). Oki, how do i do that?
20:36 < SMP> type 'xauth list' on the remote machine
20:36 < LocalHero> SMP, it must be a server thing cause it works on another host when i do the same
20:37 < LocalHero> SMP,  oki.. Hmm, lots of MAGIC-COOKIE :)
20:37 < esden> LocalHero: no xauth on the remote box?
20:37 < RaphaelL> what do you think about updating postgresql 7.3.3 to 7.3.4
20:37 < SMP> LocalHero: do you have a cookie vor oggy:11 ?
20:38 < RaphaelL> I just installed 7.3.3 (./scripts/Emerge.Pkg)
20:38 < RaphaelL> It would then be an update for me, right?
20:38 < LocalHero> i think so. oggy/unix:11  MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1  5a3ac1240c0d413486d925d5b40387ac
20:38 < RaphaelL> (is there some "update" script?)
20:39 < LocalHero> SMP, first i had the problem that ssh was compiled before x was installed -> no x forward support
20:39 < SMP> LocalHero: login with ssh -v and watch the log
20:41 < LocalHero> hmm, lots of text
20:41 < owl> 76
20:41 < owl> shit.
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20:44 < LocalHero> hmm, is this good? debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
20:44 < LocalHero> debug1: channel 0: request x11-req
20:45 < LocalHero> shouldnt it get some kind of response?
20:45 < SMP> no idea
20:45 < SMP> do you get log output when you try to start a remote X app?
20:49 < LocalHero> SMP, i will check :)
20:49 < LocalHero> Wow, xfce rocks. :)
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20:52 < LocalHero> SMP,  i got some debug info from the server to
20:52 < LocalHero> SMP,  it runns xauth allright :)
20:52 < LocalHero> But dont i need to open anything on the client. With the client i mean the computer im using now?
20:53 < SMP> no
20:53 < SMP> so when you start a remote X app you get an ssh debug message about opening some channel?
20:55 < LocalHero> SMP, nope i get nothing except xclock 
20:55 < LocalHero> Error: Can't open display: oggy:10.0
20:56 < LocalHero> SMP, i have the same problem on the local box when running su. Then i cant open the display :(.. Isnt that some xhost thing?
20:56 < SMP> well, the user you have su'ed to does not have xauth credentials
20:57 < LocalHero> SMP, oki, can i do it so that everybody has it on the system?
20:57 < SMP> run 'xauth +'
20:57 < SMP> ehm
20:57 < SMP> sorry, 'xhost +'
20:58 < LocalHero> SMP,  doesnt wokr, it says that access control is disabled but no change after su and xclock :(
20:58 < LocalHero> Is there any other files that have higher priority and is inserting its settings?
20:58 < owl> 'xhost +localhost' eg. btw...?
20:59 < SMP> be careful, though, that would allow anyone to connect over the network - if you don't use nolisten tc
20:59 < SMP> tcp
20:59 < SMP> LocalHero: well, does the su shell have a $DISPLAY at all?
21:00 < LocalHero> SMP, uhh, no, no display for root :(
21:00 < SMP> (-> /query)
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21:07 < holyolli> re
21:15 < LocalHero> got to go, cya all
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21:16 < tsa> hi all
21:17 < holyolli> huhu tsa
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21:18 < tsa> tag
21:20 < mnemoc> rxr: will you test boehm's patch or just see/apply?
21:29 < RaphaelL> mnemoc, the mono package... when I use ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mono it does not work
21:29 < RaphaelL> it needs glibc it says
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21:37 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: i have not yet sent the last patch
21:37 < mnemoc> i'm waiting for the aproval of boehm's patch to complete some tests
21:38 < esden> hmm ... while still waiting for sources to download for dietlibc build test I hack a bit on alpha
21:39 < mnemoc> go for it :)
21:40 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: i had never used Emerge-Pkg... can you query me a paste of the error?
21:50 < RaphaelL> sorry, was busy elsewhere ... I will call emerge again and send the output
21:52 < RaphaelL> by the way, is it ok if I make a symlink in /usr/src/rock-src/config to /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ?
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21:52 < mnemoc> copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/* to /usr/src/rock-src/<something>/
21:53 < mnemoc> copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/* to /usr/src/rock-src/config/<something>/
21:53 < RaphaelL> well, yes, I had that before, but two places for the config?
21:53 < mnemoc> sorry :)
21:54 < mnemoc> iirc /etc/ROCK-CONFIG is just a reference... don't know much about Emerge-Pkg
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking gc.h presence... yes
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking for gc.h... yes
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking gc/gc.h usability... no
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking gc/gc.h presence... no
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking for gc/gc.h... no
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking for GC_malloc in -lgc... no
21:54 < RaphaelL> !> configure: error: "GC requested but libgc not found! Ins ..
21:54 < RaphaelL> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-mono.out -> 9-mono.err
21:54 < mnemoc> ouch.... by query not here :(
21:55 < RaphaelL> ?
21:55 < mnemoc> you have to emerge boehm-gc first
21:55 < RaphaelL> oh, I am not very familiar with irc ;)
21:55 < RaphaelL> sorry
21:55 < mnemoc> if you /query mnemoc you will get a 'private' window
21:55 < RaphaelL> mhm
21:56 < mnemoc> what's done, it's done.... install boehm-gc
21:57 < mnemoc> did u updated your /usr/src/rock-src ?
21:57 < RaphaelL> yes, just ./script/Update-Src (or so)
21:58 < RaphaelL> was surprised ;)
22:00 < rxr> (me wonder what Update-Src syncs currently ...)
22:00 < mnemoc> me too
22:00 < mnemoc> :)
22:00 < rxr> (we have a flyspray item for it ...)
22:00 < rxr> I guess the rsynced tree - synced from my box to cliffs webserver ...
22:00 < esden> rxr: the unresolved symbols in rc1 are in kernel/driver/isdn/hisax/sedlbauer_cs.o
22:01 < rxr> but we should not push people to it - people should use svn for more consistent results
22:01 < esden> and in drm/gamma.o
22:01 < rxr> ah yes
22:01 < rxr> I remeber - real driver errors - I fixed so manu bugs in our kernel compile that I do not believe there are any left now ...
22:02 < rxr> XFree CVS still checking out
22:02 < mnemoc> Update-Src is simple and cheap... svn co/ svn up isn't.. for newcomers ;)
22:02 < rxr> CVS is soooo damn slow
22:02 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch ircii-20030709 | patch -p0
22:02 < tsa> (tested)
22:02 < mnemoc> -p0?
22:02 < esden> rxr: good we do not use that crap ;)
22:02 < tsa> yes.
22:03 < rxr> it is running for hours now - and then I'll not have nicely structured change-sets :-(*
22:03 < rxr> esden: , anymore ...
22:03 < RaphaelL> ok, mnemoc, what about the patch, do I need the boehm..?? stuff or should I wait for your patch to be applied?
22:03 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch dialog-0.9b-20030830 |patch -p0
22:03 < tsa> rm package/base/dialog/menubox-4-2.patch
22:03 < tsa> (also tested)
22:04 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: the patch i'm waiting is for integrating boehm-gc... you can use current for building mono
22:04 < mnemoc> novell's mono :(
22:07 < esden> ok ... installation succeeded and finished
22:07 < esden> but because I have not made a full install I have not seen that multiline error from ... how was it called?
22:08 < esden> rockplug is complaining as I said yesterday about missing usb driver modules
22:08 < esden> that should be checked in rockplug that these are compiled in the kernel somehow
22:08 < RaphaelL> can I manually install boehm-gc?
22:08 < RaphaelL> what is boehm-gc anyway?
22:09 < esden> everything else seems to be ok
22:09 < tsa> rxr: did you apply?
22:09 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: boehm's garbage collector
22:10 < mnemoc> used by java, mono and others...
22:11 < mnemoc> but gcc includes a quite old version so i want (if rxr allow me) to add the option to build gcc's java with last boehm's gc release
22:12 < mnemoc> a ./scripts/EmergePkg boehm-gc should be enought
22:14 < esden> librsvg needs gimp14???
22:14 < esden> another dependancy mess?
22:14 < RaphaelL> and then I can ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mono?
22:15 < RaphaelL> does this overwrite something (gcc?)
22:15 < mnemoc> nope
22:15 < mnemoc> nothing at all
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22:19 < RaphaelL> -> Preparing build in src.boehm-gc.1062540835.27958.1309216915
22:19 < RaphaelL> -> Ignoring update mode sice package isn't installed already.
22:19 < RaphaelL> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-boehm-gc.out
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done.
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Creating package description ...
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Making post-install adaptions.
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Found shared files with other packages:
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> usr/include/gc.h: boehm-gc gcc3
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> usr/include/gc_local_alloc.h: boehm-gc gcc3
22:19 < RaphaelL> !> usr/include/gc_pthread_redirects.h: boehm-gc gcc3
22:19 < RaphaelL> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-boehm-gc.out -> 9-boehm-gc.err
22:19 < RaphaelL> == 09/02/03 22:16:18 =[9]=> Aborted building package boehm-gc.
22:19 < RaphaelL> sorry again
22:19 < mnemoc> mmm... your update was not much updated :|
22:20 < RaphaelL> *g*
22:20 < RaphaelL> hmm
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22:20 < Mike1> re
22:20 < mnemoc> WB Mike1 
22:20 < esden> HI Mike1 !
22:20 < esden> god bless you
22:20 < Mike1> Don Alejandro de la Vega
22:21 < Mike1> God bless you too esden
22:21 < Mike1> mnemoc: ahi perdon ese era otro :)
22:21 < mnemoc> that was the father of El Zorro.. or not¿
22:23 < Mike1> mnemoc: yeah :)
22:25 < rolla> re Mike1 
22:25 < Mike1> rolla :)
22:26 < Mike1> regina how are you ? i mean.. esden..
22:27 < esden> o_O
22:27 < esden> regina is not here ...
22:27 * Mike1 is just teasing esden ...
22:29 < esden> uhum
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22:32 < rxr> hi Mike1 
22:32 < Mike1> hi rxr
22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch on the list removed documentation from GCC - why exactly - and is there no doc in that case? Of course we want documentation for gcc ...
22:34 < mnemoc> not from gcc... from boehm-gc
22:34 < nisma> hi , why the rock-linux has the two stage bootloader 
22:36 < Mike1> nisma: to give the user options to decide what he/she want to use?
22:36 < rxr> nisma: because you can not load such big images on most boxes - and because you often need to get it over network - or somtimes even other sources ...
22:38 < nisma> rxr: is this the only reason ?
22:39 < rxr> nisma: what do you expect?
22:41 < nisma> rxr: i don't know , it's only unusual, thats all.
22:41 < rxr> nope - other distributions often just hide it ...
22:42 < rxr> and s.o. also sent a two lines patch to rock-linux to hide it by just trying to find the image on any CD and just load it
22:42 < rxr> but this is not what we wanted ...
22:44 < nisma> I'ts ok
22:46 < holyolli> n8
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22:50 < rxr> nisma: you just installed ROCK ?
22:51 < nisma> rxr: yes, the new version 
22:54 < RaphaelL> rxr, when I ./scripts/Update-Src and then ./scripts/Update-System .... do the scripts update all packages that I have currently installed with new ones?
22:55 < esden> ok ... the changes seem to be nice and good ... 
22:55 < esden> building bootdisc target ... 
22:55 < rxr> RaphaelL: yes - but recently I had to discover that it might be possible that the script also compiles the package _not_ yet installed - I still need to investigate this ...
22:55 < Mike1> good bye.
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22:55 < rxr> nisma: nice - the -rc1 ? Any suggestions?
22:56 < RaphaelL> ok, thanks
22:59 < rxr> RaphaelL: yes - as far as I can see with a quick look - Update-System will install uninstalled packages ... :-(
22:59 < rxr> I think this is a bug and I will fix it soon.
23:00 < nisma> rxr: camp, and rc1, some configs or template for drock-... is missing, it's probably only the beta version.
23:01 < rxr> what templates do you mean?
23:02 < mnemoc> rxr: what config Update-System uses? /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ?
23:02 < mnemoc> or /usr/src/rock-src/config/default ?
23:03 < nisma> for users home dot files for browsers, mail and so on , enduser software
23:05 < nisma> rxr: for the installation process, my feeling was that the distro goes away from admin user to the enduser
23:06 < nisma> rxr: like old suse installations, but i have hear from so that this change in the new 2.0.1 release.
23:13 < esden> ok ... another kernel compiling for alpha
23:16 < rxr> nisma: you alread use ROCK for some time?
23:16 < nisma> rxr: yes, the 1.4 and 1.6 distro
23:18 < rxr> nisma: I see - and do you like the current changes in the 2.0 installation?
23:21 < nisma> rxr: not really, i like the improved parallel build.
23:22 < nisma> rxr: i have installed (using the new interface) the camp release and i was not able to install / configure the whole system.
23:23 < nisma> rxr: no error page, no progress meter, no keepalive (whatever), no matter how time i must spend to install the system
23:24 < nisma> rxr: and some command line tools are disappered from the install build runleveledit or others.
23:27 < rxr> nisma: runleveledit is integrated in stone
23:28 < rxr> you ever run stone?
23:29 < nisma> yes, i have used it.
23:29 < nisma> the problem was, the installation freeze and the installation of some single
23:29 < rxr> there is the runlevel editor - much improved ...
23:30 < nisma> packages was corrupted.
23:31 < RaphaelL> rxr: thanks for the info (Update-System), so I won't use it yet
23:31 < nisma> I have installed it on a recent board with smt support and ide raid
23:31 < nisma> but the installation system hat some troube with the raid controller 
23:31 < rxr> esden: mnemoc: jsaw: others: I just seperated some bits in the XFree CVS
23:32 < nisma> in order to corrupt some data on the normal ide dma.
23:34 < rxr> should I only include the very important Config parser fix and the security one - or should I also add one or two bigger driver upadtes?
23:34 < nisma> The standart eth e100 was not recognized by the installation system.
23:34 < rxr> nisma: it would be nice if you could spent some time tracking issues that annoy you and work on patches :-)
23:34 < RaphaelL> mnemoc: mono installation succeeded, thanks for your help
23:37 < RaphaelL> hmmm, does mono-doc compile?
23:38 < RaphaelL> it seems it needs gdk-sharp.dll (gdk-gtk??) is it available
23:39 < RaphaelL> *g* ok, just emerging gtk-sharp :)
23:41 < rxr> seems my Emerge-Pkg get's a stresstest today ...
23:42 < RaphaelL> *g* sure
23:42 < nisma> rxr: currently my systems lack of complete installation (needed rocklinux packages) and kernel patches including the userland tools.
23:42 < nisma> rxr: after that, you can be sure that i make some contributions/fixes.
23:43 < RaphaelL> but gtk sharp doesn't build :(
23:43 < RaphaelL> !> ** ERROR **: file daemon-messages.c: line 85 (_wapi_daem ..
23:43 < RaphaelL> !> aborting...
23:43 < RaphaelL> !> /opt/mono/bin/mcs: line 2: 22189 Aborted                 ..
23:43 < RaphaelL> !> make[1]: *** [gdk-sharp.dll] Error 134
23:43 < RaphaelL> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/rock-src-2.0.0-rc1/ ..
23:43 < RaphaelL> !> make: *** [binding] Error 1
23:43 < RaphaelL> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-gtk-sharp.out -> 9-gtk-sharp.err
23:43 < RaphaelL> == 09/02/03 23:40:09 =[9]=> Aborted building package gtk-sharp.
23:43 < RaphaelL> but ... Emerge-Pkg is really cute, one just has to name a package and it gets downloaded, built and there you go
23:45 < RaphaelL> I think it's time for bed now for me...
23:45 < RaphaelL> wish you all a good night
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23:51 < rxr> oO - I already get mails from SuSE forum moderators ....
23:56 < tsa|afk> uh...what do they want?
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23:57 < rxr> support to get a scanner working that should be supported by my driver
23:57 < tsa> ah
23:57 < rxr> I replied that a scanner or other support for driver development would be welcome to speed this up ...
23:59 < daja77> re
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