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--- Log opened Tue Sep 02 00:00:01 2003 --- Day changed Tue Sep 02 2003 00:00 < freed> hi all 00:00 < rxr> hi Freak 00:00 < rxr> er freed 00:01 < freed> hi rxr 00:02 < Freak> esden: hum.. doesnt help me :( my gruftistats doesn't seperate the stats by days at all.. so it counts all the last months' logs as one day 00:12 -!- nisma [~nisma@host45-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:15 -!- christ|an [~christian@pD9530607.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 00:22 < esden> Freak: I do not use the original 00:23 < esden> I use a bit changed version copyright /me ;) 00:23 < Freak> ah 00:23 < Freak> :) 00:24 < daja77> esden: what about the new stats? 00:24 < schrd> btw: whats the difference between stages 2-4? 00:25 * -> esden off for eating ... hopefully ;) 00:25 < tsa> https://www.gzip.org/gzip-1.2.4b.patch <-- i'm an important patch and i have been tested. add me! 00:29 < rxr> tsa: have you relied to my mail? 00:29 < rxr> for which 16bit CPUs do you need it ? 00:30 < tsa> rxr: that was another patch. 00:30 < tsa> rxr: https://www.gzip.org/gzip-1.2.4b.patch is an important security fix. 00:31 < tsa> the other one was just a coding bug for some strange architectures - it might help someone who wants to port to a new arch, and it doesn't do any harm for everybody else. 00:31 < rxr> tsa: committed 00:32 < tsa> thx. 00:42 -!- _spectre_ is now known as spectre|zZZZ 00:42 < spectre|zZZZ> n8yn8 00:43 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9E4D8E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:44 < daja77> rxr: the info where to put the custom kernel config is missing in handbook 00:45 -!- nisma [~nisma@host1-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 00:46 < rxr> daja77: ack 00:46 < daja77> i was just asked ... 00:46 < daja77> and don't know it *shameonme* 00:47 < rxr> daja77: ./scripts/Config 00:47 < rxr> in the kernel section ... 00:47 < daja77> there i can apply rules yes 00:48 < daja77> thought there was an option to use a complete custom config 00:51 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB7208.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:51 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-185.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:53 < rxr> daja77: no - just a not-so-nice patch - I might add s.th. cleaner soon ... 00:54 < daja77> hmm ok 00:58 < netrunner> rxr: that config file is still wrong :( 00:59 * netrunner -> bed ... more testing tomorrow 00:59 < rxr> netrunner: :-( 01:01 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB7208.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 01:02 -!- nisma [~nisma@host1-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:02 < tsa> rxr: do you still accept new packages? 01:03 < rxr> sure 01:04 < rxr> new package are better then wild updates 01:04 < tsa> hehe 01:04 -!- nisma [~nisma@host1-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 01:05 < tsa> just sent a patch for "ypserv" to the list.. 01:06 < rxr> I think I should hack less - my left "handgelenk" feels like the beginning of "sehnenentzündung" 01:06 < daja77> use the right hand :) 01:06 < rxr> I need two to type in recent speed ... 01:07 < tsa> then stop _now_. 01:07 < daja77> you need viavoice *gg* 01:07 < schrd> is there any documentation for cluster build around? 01:07 < rxr> schrd: 01:08 < daja77> yepp taking a break is better then _having_ to take it for a longer time 01:08 < tsa> hatever it is, it's not worth risking carpal tunnel syndrome. 01:08 < tsa> +w 01:08 < rxr> Documentation/BUILD-CLUSTER 01:08 < schrd> ah, thanks. 01:10 < rxr> hm - I'll progress some chapters of "Die unendliche Geschichte" to relax my hand 01:10 < rxr> maybe I should type less on the iBook - and more on say the U5 or so ... 01:10 < schrd> cluster build without a common file system is not possible, richt? 01:10 < daja77> good booj 01:10 < daja77> book 01:10 < schrd> s/ch/gh/ 01:11 < rxr> schrd: yes - currently you need a shared FS 01:12 < schrd> hmm, not good. 01:12 < schrd> distcc build would be perfect 01:13 < schrd> daja77: probably i can convince kapet to use CLIC for cluster building 01:13 < daja77> schrd: hehe don't think so 01:13 < fake> nabend 01:13 * schrd could have up to 512 P3-800 then ;-) 01:13 < daja77> this would require devfs enabled kernels on these machines 01:13 < daja77> hi fake 01:13 < schrd> daja77: no problem. 01:14 < schrd> but i think the major problem would be the requirement for root access 01:14 < daja77> schrd: well i thought of that too, because they don't use it anyway 01:14 < schrd> daja77: well, i could ask him to install a devfs kernel. that can be done quickly 01:15 < schrd> they have automated tools for that 01:15 < daja77> i know 01:15 < daja77> dunno if he likes the idea, but hey try it 01:15 < schrd> installing the whole cluster from scratch takes 3 hours only ;-) 01:15 < schrd> daja77: we could start a request. 01:15 < daja77> even if we "only" get 128 nodes or so 01:15 < schrd> hehe 01:15 < tsa> i'd _really_ like to see a complete build finish in 20 minutes ;-))) 01:16 < schrd> tsa: wenn, glibc takes more time for that. 01:16 < schrd> so 20 min is a bit optimistic ;-) 01:16 < daja77> 20h would be cool too 01:16 < fake> with more than 4 machines, build won't speed up much 01:17 < fake> with > 8 machines, nothing happens anymore 01:17 < daja77> fake: but it is still cool to waste that ressources 01:17 < fake> so 128 would be $(( 128 / 8 )) parallel parallel builds ;) 01:17 < schrd> well, but with a common filesystem it should be possible to use distcc i think 01:18 < schrd> so the packages themselves could be built in parallel if they support it. 01:18 -!- nisma [~nisma@host1-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit ("Leaving") 01:19 < schrd> na wenigstens baut er jetzt keinen Kernel mehr. 01:19 -!- nisma [~nisma@host1-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 01:19 < schrd> arg, sorry, wrong window ;-) 01:20 < daja77> :) 01:21 < schrd> there should be more number keys, so i could directly jump to window 11 ;-) 01:21 < daja77> ESC + q 01:21 < daja77> then w and e, works sane to window 14 01:24 < schrd> well, i don't think irssi would like this ;-) 01:24 < daja77> huh, what? 01:25 * daja77 always jumpimg directly to windows 1-14 01:43 < schrd> is it possible to build a router CD with rock, that has ssh, talkd+talk, inetd, iptables, iptraf and shell/fileutils installed, that boots into a ramdisk? 01:43 < schrd> what would be the best way to do that? 01:44 < rxr> schrd: cp router router-schred 01:44 < rxr> -r of course 01:44 * tsa sending next patch.. 01:44 < rxr> and add the stuff to the package list and do a build 01:44 < rxr> and then start testing improving ... 01:45 < tsa> i wonder if we will hit the 1000 packages mark before 2.0 ;) 01:45 < rxr> yes - we will 01:45 < schrd> well i don't need and don't want things like gcc, kernel with modules, modutils and so on. 01:45 < schrd> this should be a minimalistic thing 01:45 < rxr> schrd: you need the gcc to build all the stuff 01:46 < rxr> the router also does not have them in the image 01:46 < rxr> the image is < 10 MB ! 01:46 < schrd> yes, but it should not be installed on CD 01:46 < rxr> it _is not_ 01:46 < schrd> okay, good. 01:46 < schrd> were is decided what will be on CD? 01:46 -!- Iets [dose@27.89-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has left #rocklinux () 01:46 < rxr> that is target specifc 01:46 < rxr> (currently) 01:47 < rxr> take a look into the router (or bootdisk) target 01:50 < rxr> re 01:50 * rxr on U5 now ... 01:51 < rxr> hopefully the Type5 will save my hands ... 01:51 < schrd> SPARC? 01:51 < tsa> hehe 01:51 < tsa> type5 keyboards rule. 01:51 < daja77> tsa: sorry had no time to packe yp stuff 01:51 < rxr> schrd: sure with ROCK on it .. 01:51 < daja77> package 01:51 < tsa> daja77: no problem.. 01:51 * schrd has a type4 on his old SparcStation1 ;-) 01:51 < rxr> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta5 (2003/06/27) 01:52 < rxr> schrd: hey! I have s sparcstation2 since a few days! 01:52 < tsa> hm.. 01:52 < rxr> schrd: but I have no SBUS FX card yet ... 01:52 < schrd> rxr: do you really think it would be a good idea to build rock on a sparcstaion1? ;-) 01:52 < tsa> ss4/ss5/ss20/u10/u60 01:52 < rxr> schrd: no 01:52 < tsa> ;-) 01:52 < rxr> even the U5 is slow ... 01:53 < tsa> (ss4 and ss5 currently both suffering from broken RAM) 01:53 < schrd> well the ss1 is basically good enough to use as a dumb X11 terminal 01:53 < schrd> althoug it only has 8bit graphics (horror) 01:54 < schrd> and KDE with a 10 MBit/s network is not too much fun ;-) 01:54 < tsa> don't use kde, then ;-) 01:55 * schrd likes KDE, so will continue using it ;-) 01:55 < schrd> with lowcolor theme it ist quite acceptable 01:55 < daja77> lol you will never convince schrd to use sth else 01:55 < schrd> daja77: well on my notebook i have blackbox due to RAM shortage ;-) 01:55 * tsa shuts up before we'll start a windowmanager flamewar ;-) 01:55 < rxr> and why - KDE is great - no discussion / convincing needed 01:56 < daja77> hehe 01:56 < rxr> :-) 01:56 * daja77 recently started to like it a bit 01:57 < schrd> the most peeving thing on this ss1 thing is the lack for mouse wheel ;-) 01:58 < fake> hi rxr 01:58 < schrd> there is strange crashes if you use x2x and use the mouse wheel ;-) 01:58 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-185.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 02:00 < tsa> rxr: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/esound/0.2/esound-0.2.31.tar.bz2 is newer than the version in your package.. 02:00 < tsa> just FYI.. 02:01 * tsa testing 02:03 < rxr> oh my is this SPARC box slow ... 02:03 < tsa> == 09/02/03 02:03:32 =[5]=> Finished building package esound. 02:03 < tsa> 0.2.31 compiles. 02:04 < tsa> feel free to update if you want. 02:04 * daja77 has a node in his brain where sparc is hardwired to slow 02:04 < schrd> ;-) 02:05 < schrd> well its SUN, any questions? ;-) 02:05 < daja77> yes, why all the linux people want to have solaris instead of linux? 02:05 * daja77 evilly grinning 02:05 < rxr> the SUN is moving and shining quite fast ... 02:05 < schrd> "75% of all braindead APIs Unix is suffering from these days are from BSD. The rest comes from sun" -- Felix von Leitner 02:06 < daja77> schrd: hehe yes, that's why there will be no dietibc port to solaris too ... 02:06 < tsa> daja77: there's lots of possible reasons. 02:06 * schrd definitly does _not_ want to touch anything of this solaris crap again 02:06 < tsa> many people develop their software on soalris because of posix conformance. 02:07 * schrd remembers the pain of administering solaris boxes. 02:07 < schrd> solaris is obsolete ;-) 02:07 < fake> solaris is o.k. 02:07 < daja77> tsa: well sun said we all want to have solaris, but don't have it cos we can't afford it 02:07 < fake> the one that reallu sucks is hp-ux 02:07 < schrd> aix sucks as well. 02:08 < fake> (su-xx) 02:08 < daja77> fake: there is always a way to do it worse :) 02:08 < schrd> fake: HPsUX 02:08 < fake> aix has its nice features.. 02:08 < tsa> rxr: what do you think about esound..? 02:08 < schrd> <hint>smitty</hint> 02:08 < tsa> hehe 02:09 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch curl-7.10.7 | patch -p0 02:09 < daja77> fake: don't worry hp announced that linux will replace unix ... 02:10 < rxr> damn - once in a year I need a sf.net CVS - and it is down 02:10 < tsa> hehe 02:10 < fake> nooo.... 02:10 < tsa> rxr: read the last few lines? 02:10 < rxr> tsa: already applied 02:10 < tsa> rxr: both esound and curl? 02:10 < daja77> fake: don't know it they are a linux company now *rofl* 02:11 < schrd> the history of AIX: two aliens met to create a operating system. the one alien was a unix alien, the other a mainframe one. the bad thing is that they did not understand each other, so they invented AIX, to combine the worst of both. 02:11 < rxr> erhm no curl not sorry missed 02:11 < rxr> this - could you test a build 02:11 < rxr> we experienced some early stage buidls problems during the last updates ... 02:12 < tsa> already tested it - curl compiles, too. 02:13 < rxr> yeah - but not the first stages ... 02:13 < tsa> i'm in 5. 02:13 < daja77> we need curl in an early stage, huh 02:14 < rxr> ok - applied 02:14 < rxr> daja77: yes you might want i on a new ia64 or whatever bootstrap 02:14 < rxr> daja77: you still have not got the meaning of the first change-root stages I think ... 02:15 < tsa> i'm currently aborting the build for every package and check if it's up-to-date.. 02:15 * fake having a good glass of wine 02:15 < tsa> takes ages, but at least we're getting current versions. 02:16 < daja77> rxr: there are just a few words about this in the handbook btw :) 02:16 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch ncftp-3.1.6 | patch -p0 02:16 < tsa> (tested in stage 5) 02:16 < fake> daja77: touche! 02:17 -!- nisma [~nisma@host1-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:17 < daja77> :) 02:17 < rxr> tsa: applied 02:17 < tsa> thx ;) 02:21 < tsa> ok, that's enough for today. 02:21 < tsa> going to get some sleep. 02:21 < fake> n8 tsa 02:22 < tsa> cu all. 02:22 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M284P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 02:22 -!- tsa [tsa@p5082BDF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 02:22 < n00kie> Hi mates :) 02:23 < rxr> jsaw: !!! ARGH !!! 02:24 < rxr> jsaw: please fix your patch generator - but not resend you patch 02:24 < rxr> jsaw: oh - sorry - wrong file - oops 02:24 < rxr> jsaw: forget this ... 02:26 < fake> ^U^U^U^U 02:27 < daja77> you mean 4dd :) 02:28 < schrd> ;-) 02:28 < fake> ^Z^Z^Z^Z ? 02:28 < fake> or click undo 4 times... 02:28 < daja77> 4u 02:28 < jsaw> rxr: ? 02:32 < esden> thank god svn is so fast ... otherwise I would never get that three svn trees on my disc in sync when rxr is committing like a wild ... as it is at the moment ;) 02:32 < rxr> jsaw: nothing - mistyped a filename sorry 02:32 -!- freed [Administra@pD9055CAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Leaving") 02:32 < esden> as he is of course 02:32 < jsaw> rxr: phew, I was really afraid... 02:32 < fake> hi esden 02:32 < esden> hi fake 02:34 < n00kie> Hola fake 02:34 < n00kie> esden :) 02:34 < esden> hi n00kie 02:34 < daja77> esden! 02:35 < esden> daja77: ? 02:35 * fake Apocalyptica - Driven 02:35 < daja77> oh nothing just a scream of joy 02:36 < esden> yes I am also happy to see you daja77 ;) 02:36 * -> esden eating taco's with milk ;) 02:36 < daja77> urgs 02:38 < rxr> fake: hey apocalyptica are nice! 02:39 < daja77> fake: send mp3 02:39 < fake> rxr: to be exact, they rock. currently my playlist is Nirvana & Apocalyptica 02:39 < rxr> ok - me now at "sad but true" 02:40 < fake> ui 02:41 * daja77 listening to musical stuff .oO 02:43 * -> esden playlist is empty at the moment because I have a sleeping hacker on my floor ;) 02:43 < fake> esden: hannes? 02:43 < esden> fake: ack 02:44 < fake> esden: greet and kick him from me 02:44 < esden> I can not do that to him today .. but I will tomorrow 02:44 < daja77> hannes? 02:44 < esden> he needs sleep for work tomorrow 02:45 < fake> which work is he at, atm? do you know? 02:45 < esden> fake: knorr bremse as usual 02:45 < esden> or how it is called 02:45 < fake> esden: ah 02:46 -!- thorus [~thorus@pD9545F84.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Free your mind, and your OS will follow.") 02:46 < daja77> lol 02:50 * daja77 now off to bed cu 02:51 < jsaw> rxr: could you send I'm-not-commiting-the-next-10-seconds emails, so that I know, when it's worth updating? ;-) 02:52 * jsaw is brewing coffee 02:52 < fake> *lol* 02:52 * fake getting more wine 02:53 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.47.120.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Connection timed out) 02:54 < rxr> jsaw: now 02:55 < rxr> it is just that sf.net CVS was down - so I temprorily switched to TODO item 2 ... 02:57 < rxr> oh! after 20 tries now source files of cpufred are slowly dripping to my disk ... 02:57 < rxr> damn sf.net 02:57 < fake> hush 03:01 < rxr> aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 03:01 < rxr> are those guys stupid - damn whatever????????????????????????? 03:01 < rxr> the current cpufred includes ebuild scripts for gentoo 03:01 < fake> hey, cool 03:01 < rxr> should we also start to polute all packages with .desc/.conf files .... ?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!!??!?!?!?! 03:01 < fake> *checksemout* 03:02 < fake> ;-) relax, rene 03:03 < rxr> fake: I can't see this g word anymore ... 03:04 < fake> which? G - E - N - T - O - O ? 03:04 * fake just remembers LinuxTag and grins 03:05 < esden> argh argh .. fake my eyes are burning 03:05 < esden> you must not write that combination of letters 03:05 < fake> <- the evil eye-burner 03:05 < esden> that hurts deep in my head 03:05 < fake> your eyes are deep in your head? 03:06 < esden> they burn just before it starts burning in my head 03:07 < fake> ah, i c. 03:07 < fake> happens to me all the time... 03:07 < fake> ... i looj into the mirror. 03:08 < esden> so do not look in the mirror 03:08 < fake> i try to. 03:08 < esden> remove all mirrors in your environment ... 03:09 < fake> nobody would mirror me, anyways 03:09 < fake> too much bandwith consumption...\ 03:09 * -> esden rsyncing fake 03:09 < fake> my pimple turnover is pretty heavy, so even an rsync might suck... 03:10 < esden> what a turnover o_O? 03:10 < rxr> krass 03:10 < fake> the total amount of pimples i develop and drop in a given period of time 03:11 < rxr> yesterday I had 26.21 GB traffic on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de 03:11 < esden> rxr: what is your uni saying to that? 03:11 < esden> fake: i c 03:11 < rxr> nothing yet 03:11 < fake> rxr: bwuahaha 03:11 < esden> that is good 03:12 < rxr> AFAIK outgoing traffic is free for members of the DFN 03:12 < rxr> Deutsches Forschungs Netz ... 03:12 < fake> ack 03:13 < esden> I really should ask if I can put a box in the uni somewhere ... as rock mirror 03:13 < rxr> the bad thing is - -rc1 could be better - I hope it is good enougth for new people to join ... 03:15 < esden> I installed it yesterday and even if there were lots of errors during the final database generation ... and setkbmap dvorak in console is not working propperly and rockplug is telling that no usb modules are there (they are compiled in the kernel as it seems) everything seems to be ok 03:16 < fake> besides the ... and the ... and ... and ... ..... j/k ;) 03:16 < rxr> which final database generation 03:16 < rxr> this scrollkeeper fluff ??? 03:16 < esden> I will try an other insall tomorrow and post a more verbose bug report on the mailinglist 03:16 < esden> rxr: ack 03:17 < fake> rxr: btw, prelink is not nice to mine-generated checksums 03:17 < esden> and some modules have unresolved symbols but do not ask me which at the moment 03:17 < rxr> fake: I know 03:17 < rxr> esden: I think this where only three or four, correct? 03:18 < esden> two to be exact 03:18 < fake> sedlbauer? 03:19 < esden> I installed the box over network ... and I have to say that we really need the finding of possible installation directorys in stone 03:19 < fake> Heroin - Geschichte: 1898 von der Fa. Bayer entwickelt und patentiert. 03:20 < esden> I will probably send that lame patch tomorrow after I made that test install 03:20 < esden> currently I am fighting with cleaning up parse-config-9 of dietlibc 03:22 < fake> Ecstasy - Geschichte: erstmalig 1899 von der Fa. Merck hergestellt und als Appetitzügler einsgesetzt, später in der Psychotherapie angewandt. 03:22 < fake> the late 1800th.. the years of drug invention 03:24 < rxr> jsaw: could you fix this cron.d scrollkeeper annoyance :-) 03:25 < jsaw> rxr: what's wrong with it? 03:26 < rxr> it still tries to download stuff from sf.net and outputs many errors ... 03:36 < esden> ok .. I go to bed ... I finish the cleanup tomorrow 03:36 < esden> good night folks 03:36 < fake> n8 03:37 * fake off, too 03:37 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4D8EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("[BX] Gary Coleman uses BitchX. Whatchoo talkin bout foo?") 03:41 < jsaw> Use xmllint on any file with its DTD not referenced in /etc/xml/catalog 03:41 < jsaw> (non-existent by default on Debian, as the XML policy work hasn't been 03:41 < jsaw> finished). It will download the DTD to validate it. This is normal 03:41 < jsaw> behaviour. 03:41 < jsaw> dito for scrollkeeper... 03:42 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.17.9.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:42 < jsaw> now the question is, how to find out, which dtds have to be downloaded... 03:43 < jsaw> hehe, in the same mail: "What inspired you to become a bus driver?" Linus Torvalds 03:48 < jsaw> rxr: got some time now? 03:50 < rxr> for plug? 03:51 < jsaw> yep 03:52 < jsaw> no implementation specific stuff, only design issues 03:52 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M259P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:52 < rxr> in maybe 10 minutes? 03:52 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.17.9.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:53 < jsaw> k 03:59 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.146.155.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:04 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M284P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:23 < rxr> oh my 04:23 < jsaw> ? 04:23 < rxr> C debbuging is slow 04:26 < rxr> s/slow/wasting time/ ... 04:27 < jsaw> your own or somebody else' code 04:29 < rxr> hehe my own 04:29 < rxr> I port it to yet a changed API and yet another tokenizing style 04:29 < rxr> snd this string mangling is rather error prone in C ... 04:30 < rxr> but I'll get it into the next cpufreqd version :-)! 04:30 < jsaw> what debugger are u using? 04:31 < rxr> hm? I use gdb ... 04:31 < rxr> but finished now 04:32 < jsaw> oh, I meant, are u using a visual interface? 04:32 < rxr> nope 04:32 < rxr> dd sucks 04:32 < rxr> +d 04:32 < rxr> and insight, too 04:32 < jsaw> why? 04:32 < rxr> do you know another? 04:32 < jsaw> ddd 04:32 < jsaw> is what I usually used 04:32 < jsaw> then there's xxgdb, and others I forgot 04:33 < jsaw> anjuta has an internal one 04:33 < rxr> well kdevelop, too 04:33 < rxr> but at least for kdevelop I think you need to create a project ... 04:33 < jsaw> right, I don't use kde... 04:33 < rxr> anyway 04:34 < rxr> doing this "adaption to cpufreqd CVS" I really know again why I like SVN ... 04:37 < rxr> do you s.th. for the next minutes - or should I wait to update it's manpage later? 04:38 < jsaw> ? 04:38 < rxr> I now finished the C part of cpufreqd now the manpage needs some corrections ... 04:39 < jsaw> a german-english ("do you s.th.")... hehe, yes I do sth., but sth. I can interrupt whenever.. 04:39 < jsaw> s/a /ah / 04:39 < jsaw> strange, I speak german-english also, but I have problems understanding it... 04:40 < rxr> jsaw: oh - I missed some words in that sentence ... 04:41 < rxr> ok - we could start in soem seconds 04:42 < jsaw> rockplug? 04:42 < jsaw> rxr: let's do it this way, I query you and start writing some points I have in mind. Wheneever u have time - or I, we continue. 04:45 < rxr> jups 04:45 < rxr> so cpufreqd patch out ... 05:03 -!- schrd_ [~schrd@froeschi.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:03 -!- schrd_ [~schrd@froeschi.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #rocklinux () 05:03 -!- schrd [~schrd@froeschi.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:03 -!- schrd_ [~schrd@froeschi.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:04 < schrd_> .oO(thou shalt not grep in /dev/mem as root) 05:04 -!- schrd_ is now known as schrd 05:04 < mnemoc> rxr: /dev nodes are not compatibles with devfs ... at least /dev/log 05:05 < mnemoc> that was why that crap rh 7.1 didn't come back after adding devfs support (nomount) 05:05 < rxr> /dev/log? 05:05 < rxr> this was some special /dev thing, yes? 05:06 < rxr> what is the problem? 05:39 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm83.gamma148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 05:59 < mnemoc> just a comment :) ... after booting the rh with devfs=nomount boot process 'hanged' starting syslogd so i guess /dev/log has something different ;) 06:00 < mnemoc> but forcing mount on rc.sysvinit and loading devfsd is enought to make rh have and devfs enabled 06:03 < mnemoc> s/have/work/ 06:55 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD9506985.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:00 < mnemoc> gn8 rl 07:13 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E279.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:53 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091912.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:27 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091912.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:33 < netrunner> moin 08:33 < netrunner> rxr: the value to large error vanished. 09:28 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: praenti, n00kie_, Freak 09:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Freak 09:33 -!- praenti [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:35 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M259P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:39 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: irchive_5, rxr 09:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 09:44 -!- irchive_5 [~tuulos@trurl.hiit.fi] has joined #rocklinux 10:09 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: irchive_5 10:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: irchive_5 10:27 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M259P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 10:59 < cchamilt> who originally had directfb and dfbsee? I forget. 11:01 < cchamilt> rxr: Can you svn mv snort to a new package/cchamilt? Not sure if you saw the request in maillist. 11:33 -!- nisma [~nisma@host177-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 11:42 < SMP> hi cchamilt .. 12:11 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-185.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:32 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E573.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:34 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux 12:35 < hopelessOwl> good morning 13:00 < Freak> go get it! https://freshmeat.net/projects/preciousgreen/?topic_id=918 13:00 < Freak> ;) 13:15 < hopelessOwl> looks very green. 13:15 < rxr> netrunner: vanished - no I added the -f... to the gcc-options ... 13:51 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-4-78.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 13:52 < DeElsasser> moin moin 13:56 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-185.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 14:40 < hopelessOwl> https://www.jf-archiv.de/archiv02/152yy54.htm 14:45 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:46 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla 14:46 < rolla> re 14:46 < hopelessOwl> hi rolla 14:49 < rolla> hallo 14:54 < mnemoc> hullo 14:56 < hopelessOwl> hi mnemoc 14:58 < mnemoc> hi happyowl 15:02 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("leaving") 15:06 < Freak> hopelessOwl: no, don't say you un-ig'ed me?!! 15:06 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:06 < hopelessOwl> *g* 15:06 < Freak> please reestablish ignore!! 15:06 < hopelessOwl> why? 15:06 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla 15:07 < Freak> else we're gonna fight again anyways 15:07 < Freak> I know myself too well ;P 15:07 < hopelessOwl> nah... not really 15:07 < mnemoc> happyowl is a new owl ;) 15:07 < Freak> hehehe 15:08 < hopelessOwl> nah. also not really 15:08 < hopelessOwl> Command Wrapper Debug: running 'Cross_CC_not_bui 15:08 < hopelessOwl> lt_so_far_cc --version' . 15:08 < hopelessOwl> ^^ means? 15:09 < hopelessOwl> /src/erebos-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 623: type: C 15:09 < hopelessOwl> ross_CC_not_built_so_far_cc: not found 15:09 < hopelessOwl> /src/erebos-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 623: Cross_C 15:09 < hopelessOwl> C_not_built_so_far_cc: command not found 15:09 < hopelessOwl> [ writing debug log to /mnt/disk/6/erebos-build/src.li 15:09 < hopelessOwl> nux.1062513964.2169.1360257375/cmd_wrapper.log ] 15:09 < hopelessOwl> Running main build function 'build_this_package' ... 15:09 < hopelessOwl> Extracting linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-progra 15:09 < hopelessOwl> m=bzip2 -xf) ... 15:09 < hopelessOwl> Changeing into /mnt/disk/6/erebos-build/src.linux.1062 15:09 < hopelessOwl> 513964.2169.1360257375/linux-2.4.22 ... 15:10 < hopelessOwl> Creating /mnt/disk/6/erebos-build/build/default-2.0.0- 15:10 < hopelessOwl> rc2-x86-base/root/usr/<..> if required ... 15:10 < hopelessOwl> rm -f include/asm 15:10 < hopelessOwl> ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm) 15:10 < hopelessOwl> /bin/sh scripts/Configure arch/i386/config.in 15:11 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, daja77, Freak, aszlig, mnemoc, SMP, snyke 15:11 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig, snyke, rolla, Freak, mnemoc, SMP, daja77 15:31 < cytrinox> hi 15:31 < hopelessOwl> hi cytrinox 15:39 < netrunner> rxr: yes, I meant vanished by the cause of your change :) 15:48 -!- nisma [~nisma@host177-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:06 -!- nisma [~nisma@host169-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 16:06 < hopelessOwl> hi nisma 16:07 < nisma> hi hoelessOwl 16:08 < nisma> hopelessOwl: sorry i have mispelled your name 16:08 < hopelessOwl> np. it's not important. i'm not important 16:08 < nisma> esden: have you seen the tcc compiler 16:09 < nisma> hopelessOwl: it's a matter of view, everyone has it's value 16:09 < mnemoc> how can i use regexps to exclude in a recursive diff? 16:09 < hopelessOwl> hm. not really. 16:10 < mnemoc> everyone has it's value but you don't want to see it 16:12 < hopelessOwl> nope. i just see the default's people value - which see me as "black-dressed asshole" - and they're fscking right whith their opinion. i'm just a fscking looser who better should never have been born 16:13 < mnemoc> even you have a value... hard to find but it is there 16:13 < mnemoc> ask your boyfriend ;) 16:14 < hopelessOwl> hm. 16:15 * mnemoc kidding about the 'hard to find' part :) 16:17 < mnemoc> do u have a picture to see how does a 'black-dressed' happyowl looks like? 16:18 < hopelessOwl> yes. here: https://the-null.de.vu/misc/private/PIC_0070.JPG 16:20 < mnemoc> nice picture :) 16:20 < hopelessOwl> hm. depends on the point of view. imho i'm ugly 16:22 < mnemoc> at least in that picture you DON'T look ugly... and u have good aura to get those birds around you ;) 16:23 < hopelessOwl> yes. birds and every pet and so i get around of me... and even horse which are normally known as biting-horses, are not biting me. 16:23 < holyolli> <-- bbl. brewery-visiting.. ;-) 16:23 -!- holyolli is now known as alcoholy 16:24 < hopelessOwl> *rofl* 16:24 < hopelessOwl> bye alcoholy - bring alk to me, too, please 16:26 -!- nisma [~nisma@host169-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has quit ("Leaving") 16:31 -!- nisma [~root@host169-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 16:35 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("committed suicide") 16:41 < daja77> re 16:42 < mnemoc> hi daja77 16:43 < daja77> hi mnemoc :) 16:43 < daja77> rolla: ping 16:49 -!- nisma [~root@host169-96.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has quit () 16:56 < rolla> daja77: 16:56 < daja77> hey rolla 16:56 < daja77> do you have some minutes for me? 17:05 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: aszlig 17:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig 17:16 < daja77> hehe svn 0.28.2 just released 17:21 < mnemoc> i don't see the patch.. didn't you finish the test? 17:21 < mnemoc> ;) 17:21 < daja77> well rxr will decide when we ugrade ... 17:39 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:39 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 17:39 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Tue Sep 2 17:34:51 2003] 17:39 (Users #rocklinux) 17:39 [ Aard ] [ daja77 ] [ Freak ] [ owl ] [ ruddur] [ snyke] 17:39 [ alanw ] [ DeElsasser] [ irchive_5] [ praenti] [ rxr ] [ th ] 17:39 [ aszlig ] [ dennis ] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ schrd ] 17:39 [ cytrinox] [ esden ] [ n00kie ] [ rolla_ ] [ SMP_ ] 17:39 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 17:39 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 17:39 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506985.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:40 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 20 secs 17:40 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 17:41 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:44 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 17:45 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-4-78.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 17:45 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-4-78.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 17:46 < DeElsasser> re 17:46 < daja77> wb DeElsasser 17:47 < DeElsasser> hi daja77 17:48 < DeElsasser> I had a look to the postgresql doc: woaw!!! 17:49 < DeElsasser> I can forgot mysql 17:49 < schrd> postgresql rocks 17:49 < mnemoc> mysql SUCKS.. with capital letters 17:50 < DeElsasser> daja77: did you use pl/pgsql? 17:50 < daja77> yeah 17:50 < mnemoc> is worst than ms access :( 17:50 < daja77> DeElsasser: i did 17:50 < mnemoc> s/is/it's/ 17:50 < DeElsasser> looks good :-) 17:50 < schrd> well, actually, mysql is not a database, just slip box with an embedded sql interpreter 17:52 < DeElsasser> mnemoc: what is worst? 17:53 < DeElsasser> wurst? 17:54 < DeElsasser> hello owl ;-) 17:57 < mnemoc> mysql is worst that ms access 17:58 < DeElsasser> yes ok, but what means worst? 17:58 < esden> mnemoc: you want to say that mysql is wors_e_ then ms access 17:58 < daja77> exaggeration of bad 17:59 < esden> or am I wrong? 18:00 < DeElsasser> thx daja77 18:02 < DeElsasser> cu all 18:03 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-4-78.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:07 < esden> question ... is there a possibility to check which variables are set by a regular expression ... that means I want to see if var_bla_* exist and are set to 1 and what are their names ... 18:07 < mnemoc> bash has a method to enum vars 18:08 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:09 < daja77> hi Ge0rG 18:09 * daja77 arguing with Alita about her hp atm :) 18:09 < Ge0rG> hiho :) 18:26 < mnemoc> esden: ${!foo*} 18:28 < esden> mnemoc: that is what I wanted to have : 18:28 < esden> variable_gcc3=0 18:28 < esden> variable_gcc33=0 18:28 < esden> for i in $(set | cut -f1 -d'=' | grep '^variable_gcc'); do 18:28 < esden> [ "$(eval echo \$$i)" = 1 ] && echo "$i is set" 18:28 < esden> done 18:28 < esden> the contetnts of variables can be set to 1 18:29 < esden> then they are being found as set 18:29 < esden> perhups there is a more clean solution 18:30 < esden> ahh ok ... ${!foo*} makes it cleaner 18:30 < esden> thanks 18:32 < mnemoc> :) 18:32 < mnemoc> and a bit faster ;) 18:33 < esden> yes that for sure 18:37 < esden> you know what? I love shellscripting ;) 18:38 < mnemoc> you must read advanced bash guide ;) 18:38 < esden> I do all the time ... but have not found that there 18:38 < esden> I should once read it from the beginning to the end not leaving any word out 18:39 < rxr> oO 18:40 < rxr> the XFree .11 seems to be highly buggy 18:40 < esden> hi rxr 18:40 < rxr> the input changed made the thing non-startable for me 18:40 < mnemoc> wb rxr 18:44 < rxr> hi all, hi esden mnemoc ... :-) 18:48 < mnemoc> esden: did rxr auth u in fm? 18:50 < esden> no he did not ... :((( 18:50 < mnemoc> :( 19:02 < rxr> esden: I did not was where to do this - I take a look 19:04 < rxr> esden: I do not see soem auth stuff 19:04 < rxr> there - what do you specifically need - and why? 19:05 < mnemoc> up/right corner 19:05 < mnemoc> login 19:05 < mnemoc> friends 19:05 < mnemoc> emails 19:06 < esden> rxr: that is only fun ... nothing else ... 19:06 < esden> rxr: emails are blinking for sure in the right upper corner 19:06 < esden> rxr: there is a auth request from me 19:08 < mnemoc> esden: he knows you violate the license of the handbook... that's why he doesn't want you as 'friend' :| 19:08 < esden> mnemoc: hehe ;-) 19:08 < mnemoc> heee knows what you did 19:08 < rxr> ah there! Easy to overlook 19:08 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you mean with this handbook thinh? 19:09 < esden> rxr: I printed out your handbook to read offline I hope that is ok ;-) 19:09 < esden> I do not like to have my laptop in bathroom to read the handbook 19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: esden: done 19:10 < rxr> esden: the option only applies to commercial publication / commercial use 19:11 < rxr> if you all print it out - give it over to friends - or read thm at work - even printing at work in normal quantaties is perfectly ok 19:11 < esden> ahh ... good to know 19:11 < esden> thanks 19:12 < rxr> you can even do modification - and redistribute it in electronic for - just commercial publication needs to be signed by me ... 19:14 < daja77> i saw that you switched to open publication license? 19:15 < mnemoc> i have TWO friends... i'm the happiest person in the world :) 19:15 < rxr> yes 19:15 < daja77> :) 19:15 < daja77> mnemoc: lol 19:15 < mnemoc> you are not my friend... yet 19:15 < daja77> :( 19:16 < esden> daja77: is nobody's friend ;) 19:16 < daja77> you are mean 19:16 -!- RaphaelL [~raphael@cm58-188.liwest.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 < esden> daja77: go to fm and request friendship's from us ;-) 19:16 < daja77> *sniff* 19:17 < daja77> O_o 19:17 < RaphaelL> hello all! 19:17 < daja77> hi RaphaelL 19:17 < RaphaelL> is Rene here? 19:17 < rxr> yes - it's /me 19:18 < RaphaelL> ah, good to know :) 19:18 < RaphaelL> thanks for your mail, I really had no idea where this library comes from (libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3) 19:18 < RaphaelL> and it was a blender binary from their homepage 19:19 < RaphaelL> 2.28 19:19 < rxr> ... 19:19 < rxr> build your own one - it will be linked against the correct libstdc++ ... 19:20 < rxr> or do a symlink - but this is ugly and may not work 19:20 -!- safedin [~safedin@nic-29-c98-17.twmi.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:20 < RaphaelL> yes, that's surely better, I have RC1 now on my system, 19:20 < RaphaelL> Blender was not included (afaik) in rc1 19:20 < daja77> rxr: the symlinking usually works :) 19:20 < RaphaelL> can I download the blender package now anyway? 19:20 < RaphaelL> with the scripts and all 19:22 < RaphaelL> (sorry if I don't know too much about rock yet) 19:25 < mnemoc> nobody is perfect 19:25 < daja77> scripts/Emerge-Pkg 19:26 < mnemoc> daja77: don't u wanna be my friend? :'( 19:27 < daja77> mnemoc: huh, you said that I am not ... 19:27 < RaphaelL> ok, I'll check it right away... 19:28 < mnemoc> <esden> daja77: go to fm and request friendship's from us ;-) 19:29 * daja77 busy 19:30 < RaphaelL> I have /usr/src/rock-src in a freshly installed system, right? But this doesn't hold the current config and build of the system, so how can I use the scripts to work on my installation? 19:31 < daja77> scripts/Update-Src 19:31 < daja77> scripts/Config 19:31 < daja77> :) 19:31 < mnemoc> your current config is at /etc/ROCK-CONFIG 19:32 < RaphaelL> thanks!! (sorry that I'm asking stupid questions here), I will check it out 19:33 < mnemoc> ok... Mr. Daja...i got it... you are too busy to be owr friend :( 19:33 < daja77> oh there have been really stupid questions here, so don't worry about these 19:33 * daja77 kicks mnemoc 19:33 < mnemoc> :) 19:34 < mnemoc> that's my daja 19:35 < mnemoc> daja77: do you remember the guy who ask for building rock with visual c++? 19:35 < daja77> ahem no, must have been fun 19:35 < esden> hehe that is a nice idea 19:35 < esden> and not that unprobable 19:36 < esden> ;) 19:36 * daja77 registers bogon emissions from esden 19:36 < mnemoc> bbl 19:36 * -> esden made thoughts about cygwin target in rocklinux ... that will be a nice project ;) 19:36 < RaphaelL> :) is downloading 19:36 < daja77> oh c'mon don't tell me that fm can't do ssl 19:37 < RaphaelL> mnemoc, how is your mono doing? 19:37 < rxr> me fetching XFree CVS to get some "fix the tree to work again" patches out of it ... 19:37 < mnemoc> bbl <-- be back later ;)... cu 19:38 < daja77> cu mnemoc 19:38 < esden> cu mnemoc 19:39 < RaphaelL> bye mnemoc 19:39 < rxr> oOoO 19:39 < rxr> yesterday we had 26.21 GB 19:39 < rxr> today it are also already: 10.70 GB 19:44 < daja77> hmm rxr: invalid user id 19:45 < daja77> on fm 19:48 < esden> ok ... first errors during the installation of rc1 19:49 < esden> while loading 2nd stage image: insmod minix failed 19:49 < esden> insmod nls_iso8859-1 failed 19:49 < esden> insmod nls_iso8859-1 failed (yes second time) 19:51 < esden> loading keyboard mapping is not working 19:51 < esden> "loadkeys dvorak" yelds cannot open file dvorak 19:51 * daja77 rating drock 19:52 < esden> "loadkeys de" yelds /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de.map.gz:8: cannot open include file qwertz-layout 19:52 < daja77> oh RockLinux status at beta7 19:54 < esden> rxr: please add qwertz-layout and dvorak to 2nd stage image 19:55 < esden> or should I create a patch for it? 19:55 < daja77> wow Subscribers: 32 for RockLinux 19:56 * daja77 off now 19:56 < daja77> cu later 20:05 < RaphaelL> is PostgreSQL in any ROCK repository? 20:06 < esden> RaphaelL: find package -name "*postgre*" 20:06 < esden> in the rock source tree 20:07 * safedin is away: bbl 20:07 < RaphaelL> huh, great :-) 20:07 < RaphaelL> so I could just ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg postgresql ? 20:08 < esden> RaphaelL: should work yes 20:09 * -> esden has to admit that he never tryed to emerge a packet 20:09 < RaphaelL> already downloading :) 20:10 < RaphaelL> it's version 7.3.3 20:10 < RaphaelL> the current version is 7.3.4 20:10 < RaphaelL> is michael online? could anyone ask him to update? 20:10 < esden> RaphaelL: you could update it by yourself ;) 20:10 < RaphaelL> but it's great that this emerge thing works so well (just emerged blender 20 minutes ago) 20:11 < RaphaelL> sure :) 20:11 < RaphaelL> but I don't need the most up to date, it's only for some testing yet 20:11 < esden> and send patch to the ml ... but please test it before you send the update in 20:11 < RaphaelL> patching,... yes, I will read all the ROCK docs before doing something like that 20:12 < esden> RaphaelL: read Documentation/Developers/PATCHES before you create one 20:12 < esden> hehe ... /me is too slow ;) 20:12 < RaphaelL> I have read some, but am by no means familiar enough yet to understand the whole source of ROCK... 20:12 < esden> ohh updating a packet is the easiest task ;) 20:13 < RaphaelL> I have a fast internet connection at my brother's home 20:15 < RaphaelL> just,... oh yes 20:15 < RaphaelL> it's just to modify the url, right? 20:15 < RaphaelL> in some conf file 20:15 < RaphaelL> of the package 20:15 < RaphaelL> well, ... 20:16 < esden> yes the url and the [V] tag as also the checksum 20:18 < mnemoc> re 20:18 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: what did u asked about m,ono? 20:20 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch 20:21 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download 20:21 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-CksumPatch 20:21 < mnemoc> patch -p1 20:21 < RaphaelL> does it work? 20:21 < rxr> re 20:22 < mnemoc> it works at my home ;) 20:22 < RaphaelL> great 20:23 < mnemoc> lunch... brb 20:30 < esden> rxr: are there sparc iso's somewhere? 20:31 < esden> I will have access to a 4 processor sparc box the day after tomorrow 20:31 < esden> and want to test it there 20:32 < esden> rxr: see scrollback because of installation bugtracking 20:32 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 20:33 < LocalHero> Hi all 20:33 < rxr> hi LocalHero 20:33 < rxr> esden: no SPARC ISOs - at least no installable 20:33 < LocalHero> rxr, hi, whazzup? 20:33 < esden> rxr: shit!!! 20:33 < rxr> esden: sparc is just a if-free-time project with low-priority (for me) 20:34 < esden> rxr: ok no problem 20:34 < rxr> in some weeks or months we will have full SPARC support 20:34 < esden> I do not have a sparc box at the moment so I can not do anything >_< 20:34 < rxr> definetely in 2.0.x, maybe x == .2, .3 or .4 ... 20:34 < rxr> esden: maybe alpha ... 20:35 < esden> that is only because I have access to that sweet box I wanted to test it there 20:35 < esden> but if it is not possible I will have to live with it 20:35 < esden> rxr: I am hacking on dietlibc at the moment ... 20:36 < LocalHero> Anybody know what to do if i have a box and when trying to tunnel x i get this. Error: Can't open display: oggy:11.0 20:36 * -> esden creating gcc3-dietlibc packet at the moment 20:36 < esden> because my first solution was not nice 20:36 < SMP> LocalHero: noch xauth forwarding? 20:36 < SMP> ehm. 'no' 20:36 < LocalHero> SMP, hi :). Oki, how do i do that? 20:36 < SMP> type 'xauth list' on the remote machine 20:36 < LocalHero> SMP, it must be a server thing cause it works on another host when i do the same 20:37 < LocalHero> SMP, oki.. Hmm, lots of MAGIC-COOKIE :) 20:37 < esden> LocalHero: no xauth on the remote box? 20:37 < RaphaelL> what do you think about updating postgresql 7.3.3 to 7.3.4 20:37 < SMP> LocalHero: do you have a cookie vor oggy:11 ? 20:38 < RaphaelL> I just installed 7.3.3 (./scripts/Emerge.Pkg) 20:38 < RaphaelL> It would then be an update for me, right? 20:38 < LocalHero> i think so. oggy/unix:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 5a3ac1240c0d413486d925d5b40387ac 20:38 < RaphaelL> (is there some "update" script?) 20:39 < LocalHero> SMP, first i had the problem that ssh was compiled before x was installed -> no x forward support 20:39 < SMP> LocalHero: login with ssh -v and watch the log 20:41 < LocalHero> hmm, lots of text 20:41 < owl> 76 20:41 < owl> shit. 20:42 -!- nisma [~root@host207-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 < LocalHero> hmm, is this good? debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. 20:44 < LocalHero> debug1: channel 0: request x11-req 20:45 < LocalHero> shouldnt it get some kind of response? 20:45 < SMP> no idea 20:45 < SMP> do you get log output when you try to start a remote X app? 20:49 < LocalHero> SMP, i will check :) 20:49 < LocalHero> Wow, xfce rocks. :) 20:49 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 20:52 < LocalHero> SMP, i got some debug info from the server to 20:52 < LocalHero> SMP, it runns xauth allright :) 20:52 < LocalHero> But dont i need to open anything on the client. With the client i mean the computer im using now? 20:53 < SMP> no 20:53 < SMP> so when you start a remote X app you get an ssh debug message about opening some channel? 20:55 < LocalHero> SMP, nope i get nothing except xclock 20:55 < LocalHero> Error: Can't open display: oggy:10.0 20:56 < LocalHero> SMP, i have the same problem on the local box when running su. Then i cant open the display :(.. Isnt that some xhost thing? 20:56 < SMP> well, the user you have su'ed to does not have xauth credentials 20:57 < LocalHero> SMP, oki, can i do it so that everybody has it on the system? 20:57 < SMP> run 'xauth +' 20:57 < SMP> ehm 20:57 < SMP> sorry, 'xhost +' 20:58 < LocalHero> SMP, doesnt wokr, it says that access control is disabled but no change after su and xclock :( 20:58 < LocalHero> Is there any other files that have higher priority and is inserting its settings? 20:58 < owl> 'xhost +localhost' eg. btw...? 20:59 < SMP> be careful, though, that would allow anyone to connect over the network - if you don't use nolisten tc 20:59 < SMP> tcp 20:59 < SMP> LocalHero: well, does the su shell have a $DISPLAY at all? 21:00 < LocalHero> SMP, uhh, no, no display for root :( 21:00 < SMP> (-> /query) 21:07 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:07 < holyolli> re 21:15 < LocalHero> got to go, cya all 21:16 -!- tsa [tsa@pD9E11E5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 < tsa> hi all 21:17 < holyolli> huhu tsa 21:17 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030826]") 21:18 < tsa> tag 21:20 < mnemoc> rxr: will you test boehm's patch or just see/apply? 21:29 < RaphaelL> mnemoc, the mono package... when I use ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mono it does not work 21:29 < RaphaelL> it needs glibc it says 21:31 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: aszlig 21:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig 21:32 -!- nisma [~root@host207-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:37 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: i have not yet sent the last patch 21:37 < mnemoc> i'm waiting for the aproval of boehm's patch to complete some tests 21:38 < esden> hmm ... while still waiting for sources to download for dietlibc build test I hack a bit on alpha 21:39 < mnemoc> go for it :) 21:40 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: i had never used Emerge-Pkg... can you query me a paste of the error? 21:50 < RaphaelL> sorry, was busy elsewhere ... I will call emerge again and send the output 21:52 < RaphaelL> by the way, is it ok if I make a symlink in /usr/src/rock-src/config to /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ? 21:52 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E573.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 21:52 < mnemoc> copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/* to /usr/src/rock-src/<something>/ 21:53 < mnemoc> copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/* to /usr/src/rock-src/config/<something>/ 21:53 < RaphaelL> well, yes, I had that before, but two places for the config? 21:53 < mnemoc> sorry :) 21:54 < mnemoc> iirc /etc/ROCK-CONFIG is just a reference... don't know much about Emerge-Pkg 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking gc.h presence... yes 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking for gc.h... yes 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking gc/gc.h usability... no 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking gc/gc.h presence... no 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking for gc/gc.h... no 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> checking for GC_malloc in -lgc... no 21:54 < RaphaelL> !> configure: error: "GC requested but libgc not found! Ins .. 21:54 < RaphaelL> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-mono.out -> 9-mono.err 21:54 < mnemoc> ouch.... by query not here :( 21:55 < RaphaelL> ? 21:55 < mnemoc> you have to emerge boehm-gc first 21:55 < RaphaelL> oh, I am not very familiar with irc ;) 21:55 < RaphaelL> sorry 21:55 < mnemoc> if you /query mnemoc you will get a 'private' window 21:55 < RaphaelL> mhm 21:56 < mnemoc> what's done, it's done.... install boehm-gc 21:57 < mnemoc> did u updated your /usr/src/rock-src ? 21:57 < RaphaelL> yes, just ./script/Update-Src (or so) 21:58 < RaphaelL> was surprised ;) 22:00 < rxr> (me wonder what Update-Src syncs currently ...) 22:00 < mnemoc> me too 22:00 < mnemoc> :) 22:00 < rxr> (we have a flyspray item for it ...) 22:00 < rxr> I guess the rsynced tree - synced from my box to cliffs webserver ... 22:00 < esden> rxr: the unresolved symbols in rc1 are in kernel/driver/isdn/hisax/sedlbauer_cs.o 22:01 < rxr> but we should not push people to it - people should use svn for more consistent results 22:01 < esden> and in drm/gamma.o 22:01 < rxr> ah yes 22:01 < rxr> I remeber - real driver errors - I fixed so manu bugs in our kernel compile that I do not believe there are any left now ... 22:02 < rxr> XFree CVS still checking out 22:02 < mnemoc> Update-Src is simple and cheap... svn co/ svn up isn't.. for newcomers ;) 22:02 < rxr> CVS is soooo damn slow 22:02 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch ircii-20030709 | patch -p0 22:02 < tsa> (tested) 22:02 < mnemoc> -p0? 22:02 < esden> rxr: good we do not use that crap ;) 22:02 < tsa> yes. 22:03 < rxr> it is running for hours now - and then I'll not have nicely structured change-sets :-(* 22:03 < rxr> esden: , anymore ... 22:03 < RaphaelL> ok, mnemoc, what about the patch, do I need the boehm..?? stuff or should I wait for your patch to be applied? 22:03 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch dialog-0.9b-20030830 |patch -p0 22:03 < tsa> rm package/base/dialog/menubox-4-2.patch 22:03 < tsa> (also tested) 22:04 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: the patch i'm waiting is for integrating boehm-gc... you can use current for building mono 22:04 < mnemoc> novell's mono :( 22:07 < esden> ok ... installation succeeded and finished 22:07 < esden> but because I have not made a full install I have not seen that multiline error from ... how was it called? 22:08 < esden> rockplug is complaining as I said yesterday about missing usb driver modules 22:08 < esden> that should be checked in rockplug that these are compiled in the kernel somehow 22:08 < RaphaelL> can I manually install boehm-gc? 22:08 < RaphaelL> what is boehm-gc anyway? 22:09 < esden> everything else seems to be ok 22:09 < tsa> rxr: did you apply? 22:09 < mnemoc> RaphaelL: boehm's garbage collector 22:10 < mnemoc> used by java, mono and others... 22:11 < mnemoc> but gcc includes a quite old version so i want (if rxr allow me) to add the option to build gcc's java with last boehm's gc release 22:12 < mnemoc> a ./scripts/EmergePkg boehm-gc should be enought 22:14 < esden> librsvg needs gimp14??? 22:14 < esden> another dependancy mess? 22:14 < RaphaelL> and then I can ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mono? 22:15 < RaphaelL> does this overwrite something (gcc?) 22:15 < mnemoc> nope 22:15 < mnemoc> nothing at all 22:18 -!- tsa is now known as tsa|afk 22:19 < RaphaelL> -> Preparing build in src.boehm-gc.1062540835.27958.1309216915 22:19 < RaphaelL> -> Ignoring update mode sice package isn't installed already. 22:19 < RaphaelL> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-boehm-gc.out 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done. 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Creating package description ... 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Making post-install adaptions. 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> Found shared files with other packages: 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> usr/include/gc.h: boehm-gc gcc3 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> usr/include/gc_local_alloc.h: boehm-gc gcc3 22:19 < RaphaelL> !> usr/include/gc_pthread_redirects.h: boehm-gc gcc3 22:19 < RaphaelL> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-boehm-gc.out -> 9-boehm-gc.err 22:19 < RaphaelL> == 09/02/03 22:16:18 =[9]=> Aborted building package boehm-gc. 22:19 < RaphaelL> sorry again 22:19 < mnemoc> mmm... your update was not much updated :| 22:20 < RaphaelL> *g* 22:20 < RaphaelL> hmm 22:20 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip228-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 22:20 < Mike1> re 22:20 < mnemoc> WB Mike1 22:20 < esden> HI Mike1 ! 22:20 < esden> god bless you 22:20 < Mike1> Don Alejandro de la Vega 22:21 < Mike1> God bless you too esden 22:21 < Mike1> mnemoc: ahi perdon ese era otro :) 22:21 < mnemoc> that was the father of El Zorro.. or not¿ 22:23 < Mike1> mnemoc: yeah :) 22:25 < rolla> re Mike1 22:25 < Mike1> rolla :) 22:26 < Mike1> regina how are you ? i mean.. esden.. 22:27 < esden> o_O 22:27 < esden> regina is not here ... 22:27 * Mike1 is just teasing esden ... 22:29 < esden> uhum 22:30 -!- nisma [~root@host152-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 22:30 -!- schrd [~schrd@froeschi.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #rocklinux ("i quit") 22:32 < rxr> hi Mike1 22:32 < Mike1> hi rxr 22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch on the list removed documentation from GCC - why exactly - and is there no doc in that case? Of course we want documentation for gcc ... 22:34 < mnemoc> not from gcc... from boehm-gc 22:34 < nisma> hi , why the rock-linux has the two stage bootloader 22:36 < Mike1> nisma: to give the user options to decide what he/she want to use? 22:36 < rxr> nisma: because you can not load such big images on most boxes - and because you often need to get it over network - or somtimes even other sources ... 22:38 < nisma> rxr: is this the only reason ? 22:39 < rxr> nisma: what do you expect? 22:41 < nisma> rxr: i don't know , it's only unusual, thats all. 22:41 < rxr> nope - other distributions often just hide it ... 22:42 < rxr> and s.o. also sent a two lines patch to rock-linux to hide it by just trying to find the image on any CD and just load it 22:42 < rxr> but this is not what we wanted ... 22:44 < nisma> I'ts ok 22:46 < holyolli> n8 22:46 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: Ping-pong timeout") 22:50 < rxr> nisma: you just installed ROCK ? 22:51 < nisma> rxr: yes, the new version 22:54 < RaphaelL> rxr, when I ./scripts/Update-Src and then ./scripts/Update-System .... do the scripts update all packages that I have currently installed with new ones? 22:55 < esden> ok ... the changes seem to be nice and good ... 22:55 < esden> building bootdisc target ... 22:55 < rxr> RaphaelL: yes - but recently I had to discover that it might be possible that the script also compiles the package _not_ yet installed - I still need to investigate this ... 22:55 < Mike1> good bye. 22:55 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip228-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 22:55 < rxr> nisma: nice - the -rc1 ? Any suggestions? 22:56 < RaphaelL> ok, thanks 22:59 < rxr> RaphaelL: yes - as far as I can see with a quick look - Update-System will install uninstalled packages ... :-( 22:59 < rxr> I think this is a bug and I will fix it soon. 23:00 < nisma> rxr: camp, and rc1, some configs or template for drock-... is missing, it's probably only the beta version. 23:01 < rxr> what templates do you mean? 23:02 < mnemoc> rxr: what config Update-System uses? /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ? 23:02 < mnemoc> or /usr/src/rock-src/config/default ? 23:03 < nisma> for users home dot files for browsers, mail and so on , enduser software 23:05 < nisma> rxr: for the installation process, my feeling was that the distro goes away from admin user to the enduser 23:06 < nisma> rxr: like old suse installations, but i have hear from so that this change in the new 2.0.1 release. 23:13 < esden> ok ... another kernel compiling for alpha 23:16 < rxr> nisma: you alread use ROCK for some time? 23:16 < nisma> rxr: yes, the 1.4 and 1.6 distro 23:18 < rxr> nisma: I see - and do you like the current changes in the 2.0 installation? 23:21 < nisma> rxr: not really, i like the improved parallel build. 23:22 < nisma> rxr: i have installed (using the new interface) the camp release and i was not able to install / configure the whole system. 23:23 < nisma> rxr: no error page, no progress meter, no keepalive (whatever), no matter how time i must spend to install the system 23:24 < nisma> rxr: and some command line tools are disappered from the install build runleveledit or others. 23:27 < rxr> nisma: runleveledit is integrated in stone 23:28 < rxr> you ever run stone? 23:29 < nisma> yes, i have used it. 23:29 < nisma> the problem was, the installation freeze and the installation of some single 23:29 < rxr> there is the runlevel editor - much improved ... 23:30 < nisma> packages was corrupted. 23:31 < RaphaelL> rxr: thanks for the info (Update-System), so I won't use it yet 23:31 < nisma> I have installed it on a recent board with smt support and ide raid 23:31 < nisma> but the installation system hat some troube with the raid controller 23:31 < rxr> esden: mnemoc: jsaw: others: I just seperated some bits in the XFree CVS 23:32 < nisma> in order to corrupt some data on the normal ide dma. 23:34 < rxr> should I only include the very important Config parser fix and the security one - or should I also add one or two bigger driver upadtes? 23:34 < nisma> The standart eth e100 was not recognized by the installation system. 23:34 < rxr> nisma: it would be nice if you could spent some time tracking issues that annoy you and work on patches :-) 23:34 < RaphaelL> mnemoc: mono installation succeeded, thanks for your help 23:37 < RaphaelL> hmmm, does mono-doc compile? 23:38 < RaphaelL> it seems it needs gdk-sharp.dll (gdk-gtk??) is it available 23:39 < RaphaelL> *g* ok, just emerging gtk-sharp :) 23:41 < rxr> seems my Emerge-Pkg get's a stresstest today ... 23:42 < RaphaelL> *g* sure 23:42 < nisma> rxr: currently my systems lack of complete installation (needed rocklinux packages) and kernel patches including the userland tools. 23:42 < nisma> rxr: after that, you can be sure that i make some contributions/fixes. 23:43 < RaphaelL> but gtk sharp doesn't build :( 23:43 < RaphaelL> !> ** ERROR **: file daemon-messages.c: line 85 (_wapi_daem .. 23:43 < RaphaelL> !> aborting... 23:43 < RaphaelL> !> /opt/mono/bin/mcs: line 2: 22189 Aborted .. 23:43 < RaphaelL> !> make[1]: *** [gdk-sharp.dll] Error 134 23:43 < RaphaelL> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/rock-src-2.0.0-rc1/ .. 23:43 < RaphaelL> !> make: *** [binding] Error 1 23:43 < RaphaelL> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-gtk-sharp.out -> 9-gtk-sharp.err 23:43 < RaphaelL> == 09/02/03 23:40:09 =[9]=> Aborted building package gtk-sharp. 23:43 < RaphaelL> but ... Emerge-Pkg is really cute, one just has to name a package and it gets downloaded, built and there you go 23:45 < RaphaelL> I think it's time for bed now for me... 23:45 < RaphaelL> wish you all a good night 23:48 -!- RaphaelL [~raphael@cm58-188.liwest.at] has quit ("Leaving") 23:51 < rxr> oO - I already get mails from SuSE forum moderators .... 23:56 < tsa|afk> uh...what do they want? 23:57 -!- tsa|afk is now known as tsa_ 23:57 -!- tsa_ is now known as tsa 23:57 < rxr> support to get a scanner working that should be supported by my driver 23:57 < tsa> ah 23:57 < rxr> I replied that a scanner or other support for driver development would be welcome to speed this up ... 23:59 < daja77> re --- Log closed Wed Sep 03 00:02:41 2003