--- Log opened Wed Sep 03 00:02:55 2003
00:06 < rxr> re daja77 
00:07 * rxr getting s.th. to eat ...
00:08 < rxr> cu
00:08 < daja77> happy meal
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00:39 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch bsd-games-2.14 | patch -p0
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00:47 < fake> gevenin'
00:47 * daja77 waves in fake's direction
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00:56 < rxr> re
00:57 < daja77> rxr: quick poll, uploading rc1 images tomorrow, or building rc2 images instead
01:00 < rxr> daja77: rc1 images - rc2 is some days away ...
01:00 < daja77> ok
01:02 < daja77> sorry for the delay
01:02 < rxr> Maybe we should confuse the world less - and save some bandhwidth and provide desktop and minimal + a server target when one is ready
01:03 < daja77> maybe we should call it desktop, this is confusing some people
01:03 < rxr> tsa: all performed
01:03 < daja77> thinking it is suse or so
01:03 < rxr> we already call it desktop ...
01:04 < daja77> hmm
01:04 < tsa> rxr: thx.
01:04 * daja77 played with a suse for someone today ...
01:05 < tsa> wrong date in changelog, btw ;)
01:05 < rxr> tsa: oh - will fix it with the next commit
01:10 < tsa> ok
01:10 < tsa>  Note that icecast 1 is deprecated and unsupported, and may possibly induce nausea in small children, hair loss in men, and estrogen fluctuations in women.
01:10 < tsa> lol
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01:27 < daja77> *argl* linux magazin only mentioning the debian booth in their linuxtag review
01:30 < rxr> daja77: hey - debian is the only project that was on this strange Debian Tag in Karlsruhe ...
01:31 < daja77> oh yeah forgot that ...
01:32 < fake> was there any other distro?
01:32 < fake> didn't notice any...
01:32 < fake> ;)
01:32 * daja77 now burning rock cd set
01:33 < daja77> fake: there was only debian, ueberdistro
01:33 < daja77> :)
01:33 < rxr> yes I also only noticed rock ...
01:33 < rxr> so with the fix I applied X starts again ...
01:34 < daja77> you did what? you "ketzer"
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01:34 < daja77> hey A-Tui :)
01:35 < daja77> rxr: hehe /me noticed gentoo, having to share a booth with xine ...
01:45 < A-Tui> hola daja77
01:46 < tsa> n8
01:46 < mnemoc> re
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01:47 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
01:47 < rxr> pong
01:47 < esden> re hi all
01:47 < esden> fscking dfn
01:48 < esden> they are playing all the time around
01:49 < mnemoc> what did you decide about boehm's patch? by default it doesn't affect any other package
01:50 < mnemoc> i have to rediff the gcc3-use_system_gc.diff but everything else is well tested
01:50 < mnemoc> if you prefer you can comment java related line in config.in file
01:50 < mnemoc> until i finish testing it with gcc3
01:51 < rxr> the only thing I aksed is: You wrote that documentation is disabled - for all gcc packgaes or so?
01:51 < mnemoc> i answered that :)
01:51 < mnemoc> i disable doc in boehm-gc 
01:51 < mnemoc> not in gcc...
01:52 < daja77> mnemoc: are we friends now :)
01:52 < rxr> ah ok - then I'll apply but today's mornign 
01:52 < mnemoc> let me ask fm :)
01:52 < rxr> I wannt to find the bed earlier tonight ...
01:53 * daja77 too
01:53 < daja77> a friend of mine defends his diploma at 9
01:53 < esden> rxr: you asked about the driver patches for XFree ... I would say not to add them ... 
01:53 < mnemoc> daja77: yes we are friends :)
01:54 < daja77> hehe
01:54 < esden> we always say that we add only patches that are really needed ... and these driver updates are not really needed and make XFree not the standard released one
01:54 < esden> rxr: you know what I mean?
01:55 < mnemoc> rxr: great... should i send you the rediff against gcc3-use_system_gc.diff already sent or a new one?
01:55 < esden> I could not answer earlier because of the crashed connection >_<
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01:56 < esden> daja77: you have got mail at fm ;)
01:56 < rxr> mnemoc: please send an incremental one - which I can just apply when the first one got applied.
01:56 < rxr> esden: I already decided not to apply them ...
01:57 < mnemoc> ok :) ... try to sleep tonight ;)
01:57 < rxr> but thanks for the suggestion ...
01:57 < esden> rxr: you asked so I answer ...
01:57 < esden> de nada
01:58 < daja77> esden: :)
02:03 < daja77> ok cd set ready
02:03 < esden> *sigh* I really would like to submit my dietlibc patches but I still wait for bootdisc target to finish compile ... >_<
02:03 < esden> I really need a faster box ...
02:04 < daja77> we all need a faster box i guess
02:05 < mnemoc> mike don't 
02:06 < daja77> hm?
02:06 < daja77> O_o ruddur is logged in ..
02:06 < mnemoc> mike don't need a faster box... he has a 4xXeon blah blah blah
02:07 < daja77> .oO i feel the power of envy
02:07 < mnemoc> does 'owr' mutt supports Maildirs?
02:09 < daja77> bed time
02:09 < daja77> cu tomorrow
02:12 < mnemoc> sleep well daja friend :)
02:35 < rxr> n8 all
02:39 < esden> n8 rxr 
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03:52 < mnemoc> hi n00kie
03:57 < esden> weeee I got XV running on my laptop !!!
03:57 < esden> *jumparound*
03:57 < mnemoc> congrats
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04:13 < esden> I really start to hate that lots of good drivers are not included by default in packages like XFree and linux kernel
04:13 < mnemoc> can rockplug be extended to xf86?
04:14 < esden> o_O
04:14 < esden> what do you mean?
04:15 < mnemoc> would be nice to get xf86 exactly configurated to use the right driver :)
04:15 < mnemoc> or you mean drivers only available as patches?
04:16 < esden> no ... we have to take care that all that external drivers are included in rocklinux
04:16 < esden> ok I am adding ati.2 driver addition to my TODO
04:16 < mnemoc> :)
04:17 < esden> wlan_ng is also waiting for inclusion ... *sigh*
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05:02 < jsaw> re
05:02 < jsaw> mnemoc: ping
05:03 < mnemoc> pong
05:03 < jsaw> hello
05:04 < mnemoc> hullo
05:04 < jsaw> Do IIRC, that your also doing a gcc33 build?
05:05 < mnemoc> yes but i'm quite slow
05:05 < mnemoc> gcc33+boehm+stackprotector
05:05 < mnemoc> and i had some problems with boehm
05:06 < mnemoc> i just re-restart my build
05:06 < jsaw> I'll be extremely busy the next days, so I might not be able to check my patches that are still lying around until the end of next week... 
05:06 < jsaw> shall I send you the rest of the untested?
05:06 < mnemoc> sure
05:06 < mnemoc> mail the to amery@bsp.cl
05:08 < jsaw> okay.
05:09 < jsaw> btw, stack protector.
05:10 < jsaw> One of the libs, that didn't compile due to stack-protector was pam. There I could solve the problem by exchanging the direct call to ld to gcc in the linking stage.
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05:12 < mnemoc> good trick :)
05:12 < jsaw> Maybe you find out, what options gcc passes to ld... 
05:12 < jsaw> (I gave up on doing this with xfree...)
05:12 < esden> re jsaw 
05:13 < jsaw> horrible config, ya know...
05:13 < jsaw> hi esden
05:13 < mnemoc> can you add that to the mail?
05:13 < jsaw> what?
05:13 < jsaw> the pam thing is already in the trunk
05:14 < jsaw> pic-and-linker.patch
05:16 < mnemoc> ok
05:16 < esden> argh ... can somebody send my a board+processor+ram that is faster then what I have? ... a simple bootdisc build takes ages ... >_<
05:18 < jsaw> another point here is, those programs, that do linking with ld directly leave traces of symbols in libs. But no lib should have symbols with the default build.
05:20 * jsaw also wants a faster computer, maybe a cluster with 1024 nodes or so? Well 512 would actually be enough. (Opteron,G5,whatever)
05:28 < esden> I would be happy to have a single processor Athlon XP 2GHz or so
05:28 < esden> that would be a nice improovement
05:33 < mnemoc> i need a faster HD :(
05:34 < jsaw> Actually, I don't need anything faster. But more stable hw would be nice...
05:35 < jsaw> (which means, no IBM disks, no nvidia card, better cooling etc etc)
05:43 < esden> I can not complain abaut stability here ...
05:48 < esden> ahh ... nice glibc is now installing ... 
05:48 < esden> so it goes slowly forward
06:06 < jsaw> okay guys, I'm damned tired, cu l8r.
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08:01 < Demian> hi
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08:10 < esden> that will be interesting ... updating my laptop from beta4 to rc1 with selecting new packages in stone ...
08:56 < n00kie_> http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/25/1910248.shtml?tid=16
08:56 < n00kie_> ^- :)
09:00 < esden> hmm ... if he gets elected who will maintain the kernel???
09:03 < esden> if he applys for governor I apply for linux kernel maintainer ;)
09:03 < esden> what do you think n00kie_ ?
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09:08 < n00kie_> esden: Would be cool. :)
09:08 < n00kie_> Would make us much more popular
09:10 < n00kie_> After you maintain it
09:10 < n00kie_> The kernel wouldn't work :P
09:12 < n00kie_> Just kidding :)
09:13 * n00kie_ hopes that esden doesn't hates him now
09:15 < n00kie_> http://hackles.org/strips/cartoon328.png
09:33 < esden> n00kie_: sure I hate you now ;)
09:33 < esden> but it would make rock much more popular 
09:33 < esden> but I do not really want that ...
09:34 < esden> then we have all kind of gentoo style users here ... and that is not nice
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09:39 < heLL_b0y> can rocklinux run server?
09:39 < esden> why not? o_O
09:39 < esden> a hello would be nice sbtw heLL_b0y ;)
09:39 < heLL_b0y> helo!
09:39 < esden> hi heLL_b0y 
09:39 < heLL_b0y> sorry for that :D
09:39 < heLL_b0y> :)
09:39 < heLL_b0y> hi esden
09:40 < heLL_b0y> can rocklinux run server?
09:40 < esden> sure rock can be run on a server ...
09:40 < heLL_b0y> icic
09:40 < heLL_b0y> i mean irc server or web server?
09:40 < heLL_b0y> can ?
09:41 < esden> yes
09:41 < heLL_b0y> ic
09:41 < heLL_b0y> any linux also can run it ?
09:43 < esden> what do you mean with that? I do not really understand...
09:43 < esden> run what?
09:43 < heLL_b0y> i mean any linux can run those serveR?
09:44 < esden> yes on nearly any linux installation you can run a irc or web server
09:44 < esden> if the size of the disc is allowing that and the box has a NIC
09:45 < heLL_b0y> oic
09:45 < heLL_b0y> :D
09:45 < heLL_b0y> thanks ur help ..
09:46 < heLL_b0y> i trying using rock linux
09:46 < esden> have fun
09:46 < heLL_b0y> :)
09:46 < heLL_b0y> thanks
09:49 < esden> you are from malaysia?
09:50 < heLL_b0y> how u noe
09:51 < esden> I searched the owner of your ip address
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09:51 < esden> ;)
09:51 < esden> humm
09:51 < esden> I scared him ;)
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11:27 < daja77> moin
11:28 < esden> moin daja77 
11:28 < daja77> moin esden :)
11:29 < daja77> that malaysian guy was strange :)
11:30 < esden> hehe yes he was strange ;)
11:31 < daja77> *lol* new spam in my inbox: Get Larger Lips
11:31 < esden> ROFL!!!
11:33 < daja77> :)
11:35 < esden> the question is what lips ;)
11:35 < esden> humm ... that was nasty ;)
11:35 < daja77> the mail is from: females journal ...
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11:38 < owl> moin
11:39 < daja77> huhu owl
11:40 < owl> hi daja77 ;)
11:40 < daja77> owl: want bigger lips
11:40 < owl> hoeh?
11:44 < esden> hi owl
11:44 < esden> you for sure want bigger lips ... don't you?
11:46 < owl> hoeh?
11:47 < esden> lol ... you already have big lips ... you can not talk as it seems ... ROFL ;)
11:48 < daja77> owl: /me got spam mails promising me i could get larger lips, should I forward
11:48 < owl> nah, thx
11:50 * owl kicks and greets esden , btw
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11:53 < esden> re n00kie 
11:57 < daja77> n00kie muted today
12:02 < esden> hmm ... that goes slowly ... now I have the 4th dietlibc related patch chunk
12:03 < esden> and still in stage 1 ...
12:03 < daja77> lemme guess, you need a faster box ...
12:03 < esden> daja77: good guess ;)
12:03 < daja77> ;)
12:05 * daja77 now off to work
12:05 < daja77> cu
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12:06 < esden> cu daja77 
12:07 < ruddur> hi, all
12:08 < ruddur> it's not possible to mount / in xfs in istallation
12:08 < ruddur> normal or not
12:08 < ruddur> in 2.0.0rc1
12:09 < esden> hi ruddur 
12:09 < n00kie> esden | then we have all kind of gentoo style users here ... and that is not nice <- Sure, I really don't want that :-)
12:09 < n00kie> re esden, daja77 :)
12:10 < n00kie> ah, bye daja77 
12:18 < ruddur> what's the best ip for a network install of rocklinux
12:19 < esden> ahh good 2nd stage reached
12:19 < esden> ruddur: depends on your network layout you are installing in ...
12:20 < ruddur> i would test this install option
12:20 < ruddur> i have the cd's but
12:20 < ruddur> for fun
12:21 < ruddur> i have enter base url in the install
12:24 < esden> 6 patch chunks ... the amount is growing and growing
12:24 < esden> now comes the nasty gcc3.conf patch ...
12:28 < rxr> n00kie: I like more users more then discussing where to dring beer and the other private problems in ingolstadt ...
12:28 < rxr> at leat this is #rocklinux not #beer@ingolstadt
12:36 < esden> rxr: Are you in bad mood or so?
12:38 < rxr> no I just do not like this "new or beginner users are ugly" mood we have in this channel since a few months now already
12:38 < rxr> I'm perfectly happy otherwise - thanks
12:40 < esden> rxr: that is not about new users ... that is about going on my nerves users ... 
12:40 < rxr> if people do not want to see new users - just go to a #rocklinux-devel or so channel
12:40 < esden> ok ok ...
12:41 < rxr> esden: maybe you also got to someones nerves years aog? :-)
12:45 < esden> yes one single time in #linux or so asking a question for which I have not found a solution searching the net for one week two times instead giving up after questioning once and not getting even from one person "sorry I have no idea" ... after I asked twice someone attacked me that I should not ask multiple times because if I do not get an answer then nobody knows an answer ... after that I never did it again
12:55 < esden> and yes I want more users of rock ... that is not that ... 
12:56 < esden> but I would like that they are not "stupid" ... but one can not controle that ... I know
12:56 < esden> the future will show
13:01 < rxr> stuipd user can we educated to be less stupid ...
13:01 < rxr> and when eveyone rant here each new user then we will also loose nre technically skilled users 
13:01 < esden> who is ranting any user here?
13:04 < esden> I have never thrown a user away ... or said somthing ala fefe "go dying, somewhere else" ...
13:04 < esden> so do not start to panic please
13:05 < ruddur> oh yes
13:05 < esden> I have also not seen anyone do so
13:05 < esden> ruddur: ?
13:05 < ruddur> no joke
13:06 < esden> o_O ... *shocked* ...
13:06 < ruddur> xfs is not integred in kernel
13:06 < esden> ruddur: please do not scare me that hard please ;)
13:07 < ruddur> my english is very little
13:07 < ruddur> it's possible i have little error syntax
13:07 < esden> ruddur: it's ok
13:08 < ruddur> thanks
13:08 < esden> we will try to use the best error correction we have ;)
13:08 < ruddur> ok
13:08 < ruddur> i go to eat
13:08 < esden> humm ... now I have to stop me writing a very nasty comment ... :D
13:09 < esden> have fun ruddur 
13:09 < ruddur> see you later
13:09 < ruddur> thanks
13:12 < esden> hmm ... gcc3 c++ seems to be fixable ... but I will postpone that for later
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14:08 < daja77> re
14:08 < mnemoc> re
14:09 < daja77> hey mnemoc 
14:09 < esden> wb mnemoc 
14:09 < mnemoc> hi daja77,esden
14:12 < esden> wb daja77 
14:13 < daja77> thx esden 
14:13 * daja77 now killing cvs at work
14:16 < mnemoc> what will u use as replacement?
14:17 < daja77> subversion
14:19 < daja77> and yes I want a central repository in this environment
14:19 < mnemoc> :)
14:21 < mnemoc> i find svn quite unstable but that's just an opinion :) ... it's much better than cvs, so good luck ;-)
14:21 < daja77> thx
14:21 < mnemoc> tortoisesvn is a nice client for win32 
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14:26 < spectre|zZZZ> re
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14:27 < daja77> guess i will start with 0.28.2 :)
14:44 < esden> hehehehe ... I fixed util-linux without patching tons of headers into dietlibc include directory ;)
14:44 * -> esden happy
14:45 < daja77> how?
14:46 < esden> I played a bit with cmd_wrapper and -I gcc option ;)
14:46 < daja77> :)
14:47 < esden> I had that idea in sleep yesterday night ;)
14:47 < daja77> in sleep or in bath tube, both are inspiring
14:49 < esden> full ack
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14:55 < rolla> yawn
14:56 < esden> morning rxr 
14:56 < esden> argh
14:56 < esden> morning rolla 
14:56 < daja77> hi rolla 
14:56 < rolla> morning
14:56 < daja77> esden: we should hack irssi tab completion at 20c3
14:56 < rolla> why?
14:56 < daja77> cos it sucks
14:57 < rolla> ?
14:57 < esden> daja77: YES WE HAVE TO!
14:57 < rolla> I love tab completion
14:58 < daja77> rolla: we all love tab completion but irssi tab completion is borken
14:59 < rolla> ? how so
15:00 < daja77> the wrong nick is expanded often
15:00 < rolla> what version do you have ?
15:00 < daja77> 0.8.6
15:00 < rolla> cause I never have that problem
15:00 >>> [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] requested CTCP VERSION from #rocklinux: 
15:00 < daja77> ahem *cough*
15:01 < rolla> odd same as me
15:01 < rolla> brb
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15:01 < daja77> oh my ... what the hell is he doin
15:02 < jsaw> re
15:02 < jsaw> hi all
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15:03 < daja77> wb rolla
15:03 < rolla> thanks
15:03 < rolla> had to take ccare of my clones
15:03 < daja77> :)
15:03 < rolla> today is a great day
15:03 < daja77> why?
15:04 < rolla> Johnny depp says he refuses to come back to america until poltical climate changes
15:04 * rolla is so happy
15:04 < daja77> lol
15:04 < rolla> says he loves france 
15:04 < daja77> yeah
15:04 < rolla> my feelings he should stay there
15:05 < rolla> He is an awful actor anyway
15:05 < rolla> I am just waiting for alec baldwin to leave now
15:05 < daja77> hmm there was one movie i liked ...
15:05 < daja77> hehehe
15:06 < rolla> daja77: there is no movie of his that is good unless he dies in the first 5 mintues of it
15:06 < daja77> nah
15:06 < rolla> without speaking
15:06 < daja77> hehe only knows the german voice, anyway
15:06 < daja77> -s
15:07 < rolla> well it is not his 
15:07 < daja77> yepp
15:11 < rolla> daja77: is all well with apache now?
15:11 < ruddur> little question
15:11 < daja77> yes, I am about installing subversion now
15:11 < rolla> cool
15:11 < rolla> what is your question ruddur ?
15:11 < ruddur> what's microcode script
15:11 < esden> ruddur: test
15:11 < esden> uhmm
15:11 < esden> humm
15:11 < ruddur> important
15:12 < esden> sorry raddur I had to test ...
15:13 < rolla> esden: what ever happened to th?
15:13 < daja77> rolla: he was here some days ago
15:14 < rolla> I have no seen him in some time
15:14 < daja77> guess you were not here at that time
15:14 < rolla> nope :(
15:18 < esden> daja77: that may help us http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/niq.pl
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15:20 < DeElsasser> hi all
15:20 < esden> hi DeElsasser 
15:22 < DeElsasser> hi esden
15:22 < daja77> moin DeElsasser 
15:22 < DeElsasser> moin moin daja77
15:23 < daja77> esden: cool :)
15:35 < mnemoc> Can't locate auto/Irssi/statusbar_i.al in @INC (@INC contains:
15:35 < mnemoc> :(
15:35 < mnemoc> where does that come from? 
15:36 < daja77> hahaha now i know why subversion compiles so fast, cos compile is aborted by an error
15:37 < mnemoc> hahaha
15:37 < daja77> :)
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15:47 < esden> 13 patch chunks for dietlibc stuff ... nice
15:49 < esden> rxr will be happy about that patch flood ... I really would not like to be in his place ...
15:50 < daja77> esden: enjoy your last hours on this planet :)
15:50 < esden> I do ... hacking on dietlibc stuff
15:51 < esden> the terrible thing is: I do very intensive testing of what I change ... but I still have the feeling that some bug may slip through my fingers ... I REALLY hate that
15:52 * daja77 gives a cookie to esden 
15:52 < esden> thanks daja77 
15:53 < mnemoc> esden needs a massage 
15:53 < daja77> hehe that's your job :P
15:53 < mnemoc> o_O
15:55 < esden> ohh yes I really need a massage ...
15:56 < mnemoc> from reg... or from me? ;)
15:56 < daja77> mnemoc: from you 
15:56 * daja77 hides
15:56 < mnemoc> :(
15:56 < mnemoc> i shall run away.... bye
15:57 < daja77> stay!
15:57 < esden> mnemoc: you may guess ;)
15:57 < mnemoc> =)
16:04 * daja77 wants a massage too
16:43 * daja77 uploading rc1 generic isos
16:43 < daja77> brb
17:16 < daja77> re
17:24 < esden> ok ... enough patching for the last 24 hours ...
17:24 < esden> now I watch a film ... and go to bed after that ...
17:24 < esden> cu all
17:25 < daja77> cu esden 
17:25 < daja77> have fun
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17:26 < jsaw> cu l8r
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17:26 < daja77> hi Ge0rG 
17:26 < Ge0rG> hiho#
17:28 < daja77> Ge0rG: hehe guess you have to bring Alita to the Linuxtag in Chemnitz next year ;)
17:30 < Ge0rG> daja77: she is the one with the car ;)
17:31 < daja77> oh so she has to bring you :)
17:31 < daja77> hmm have to talk about that with her ...
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17:48 < netrunner> re
17:48 < daja77> wb netrunner 
17:48 < daja77> *argl* why must that cvs2svn script be in python
18:00 < mnemoc> python sucks
18:01 < daja77> knew that already ...
18:02 < mnemoc> why they invent such thing having perl?
18:03 < daja77> python was invented as a teaching language, why ppl started using it for real stuff i don't know
18:04 < mnemoc> why not haskell? or even prolog :)
18:04 < netrunner> daja77: same with ocaml :)
18:04 < daja77> you want a haskell program for converting cvs 2 svn, you are bizarre
18:06 < mnemoc> i should add haskell to my bizarre repo :)
18:06 < daja77> yeah
18:06 < daja77> hugs ...
18:19 < ruddur> in console where is the default color file location : the prompt is red beurk
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18:21 < dennis> ruddur: search a bit in /etc
18:22 < ruddur> oh yes
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18:29 < martin_> hello
18:33 < dennis> hi martin_ 
18:33 < martin_> hi dennis
18:44 < dennis> http://www.tshirthell.com <-- best shirts i've ever seen ;-)
18:58 < daja77> d'oh python script dies while converting *arrgl*
19:03 * daja77 goin home now cu
19:15 < netrunner> hm ... shall I do the step, shutdown my server and plug the new hd with rock in?
19:16 < netrunner> cowards! good night.
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20:18 < daja77> re
20:20 < dennis> wb daja77 
20:21 < daja77> thx
20:23 < martin_> rxr: is the OSD modul v0.2 ready?
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20:26 < Marti> hi all, i need some help with my webserver, i installed apache webserver, also the test site is ok, but only the test site, i uploaded some stats, but cant see them 
20:27 < Marti> chmod is set 
20:28 < SMP> what does the error_log say?
20:28 < Marti> where can i find it :-/ i am new to linux, its my first time , but when i start the webserver, no error  comes 
20:28 < Marti> http://195.202.133.48
20:29 < Marti> this is the test site
20:29 < Marti> it works
20:30 < Marti> i created a folder for juni stats, but when i want to go to http://195.202.133.48/juni  it doent work :(
20:30 < Marti> there is also no you dont have permission to access this ite or something like this, only page not found :-/
20:30 < martin_> is there a 404 or 403 error message in your browser?
20:32 < Marti> no error
20:32 < Marti> ie exploere 
20:32 < Marti> :-/
20:33 < martin_> but there must be a message? "page not found" or like this?
20:33 < Marti> the site is not avaliable atm :(
20:34 < Marti> technical probs,.. and this kinfd of message, i should check my i net config ....
20:34 < Marti> but no error, like normal, when a page isnt found
20:37 < SMP> please ask in a SuSE forum or channel. this is off-topic here and we don't even know SuSE.
20:38 < Marti> k ;) thx anyway for your help
20:57 * martin_ is away ...
20:57 * martin_ is away: I'm busy
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21:24 < netrunner> hi, anybody used raidtools with devfs?
21:25 < SMP> sure
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21:29 < holyolli> moin
21:30 < daja77> huhu holyolli 
21:31 < dennis> hi holyolli 
21:33 < netrunner> SMP: i can start the raid, but cannot mount /dev/md/0 to /raid, he has problems with the superblock. 
21:33 < netrunner> SMP: any idea?
21:34 < daja77> hey netrunner, good to see
21:34 < daja77> you
21:34 < netrunner> I found something about booting with devfs=nomount ... does that generally disable devfs?
21:35 < netrunner> daja77: nice to see you too, since that means I am now connected by a RockLinux powered server :)
21:35 < SMP> netrunner: no, it just disables automagic mounting on /dev by the kernel - but the ROCK init script will do it then
21:35 < daja77> cool we missed waterworld some minutes ago
21:36 < SMP> netrunner: what exactly do you do and what error message do you get?
21:41 < netrunner> mount: Falscher Dateisystemtyp, ungültige Optionen, der
21:41 < netrunner>        »Superblock« von /dev/md/0 ist beschädigt oder es sind
21:41 < netrunner>        zu viele Dateisysteme eingehängt
21:42 < SMP> well either md/0 is not active or you did not mkfs it
21:42 < SMP> did you run mkfs on it?
21:42 < netrunner> SMP: yes, a year ago. 
21:42 < netrunner> SMP: I can mount the partitions alone, they are ok.
21:42 < SMP> does it appear in /proc/mdstat ?
21:44 < netrunner> md0 : active raid1 ide/host2/bus0/target1/lun0/part1[1] ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1[0]
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21:45 < SMP> netrunner: hmm. do you get any dmesg output when you try to use it?
21:46 < netrunner> Filesystem on 09:00 cannot be mounted because it is bigger than the device
21:46 < SMP> ugh
21:46 < netrunner> (before he says reiserfs: found format "3.6" with standard journal)
21:47 < SMP> look for the size of the individual partitions and md/0 in /proc/partitions
21:48 < netrunner> SMP: they are the same.
21:48 < netrunner> SMP: do you actually use it? do you have devfs=nomount or not?
21:49 < SMP> I don't use swraid anymore, but I helped setup a machine with it not so long ago
21:50 < SMP> it ran ROCK and did not use devfs=nomount (which has nothing whatsoever to do with the problem)
21:52 < netrunner> SMP: well in this link a guy says it solved his problem http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Feb/0726.html
21:52 < netrunner> ugh, I see from the link it is 2 years old :)
21:53 < SMP> and it is not related to your problem anyway
21:53 < netrunner> SMP: If you insist I believe you :)
21:54 < netrunner> SMP: I can mount the partitions from the discs alone. so they are ok.
21:55 < SMP> when you created that raid, did you create it and then mkfs it, or did you create the raid from an existing fs?
21:57 < netrunner> SMP: the raid worked before. the thing I changed is the disk with the os, from a 1.6G redhat 7.3 to a 3.6G with RockLinux
21:57 < netrunner> SMP: and I guess I created the raid first, makes more sense ... but is long ago.
21:58 < SMP> ok, can you unplug one of the discs so you have a backup?
22:00 < netrunner> SMP: Yes, but I suddenly feel cold in awaiting your idea :)
22:01 < SMP> well the idea is to run the reiserfs resizing tool
22:02 < SMP> which will shrink the fs to whatever size the kernel thinks the device has
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22:04 < netrunner> SMP: I won't fiddle with a raid that worked with redhat but not with rock. the problem has to be the kernel, the tools or devfs.
22:04 < SMP> or the filesystem
22:04 < netrunner> SMP: I can use the raid when putting back the old os. so what's the point with resizing fs'
22:04 < netrunner> SMP: no. I can mount /dev/discs/disc1/part1 without problems. they are _ok_
22:04 < SMP> what kernel versions were you running / are you running?
22:05 < netrunner> 2.4.22-rock
22:05 < netrunner> (the mentioned disk is part of the raid btw)
22:05 < SMP> and on RedHat?
22:06 < netrunner> 2.4.18-17
22:07 < netrunner> I think I've even had a higher kernel before, but switched back to the redhat supplied.
22:07 < SMP> ok, you can either sit and cry or try running resize_reiserfs to find out that the kernel thinks about the size of the raid
22:07 < netrunner> SMP: would resize_reiserfs work without changing?
22:09 < SMP> my idea is that maybe the filesystem includes the raid superblock (at the end of the device) - of course that superblock is not visible on the raid, only on the partitions themselves, which is why the raid is smaller by one block
22:09 < SMP> without changing what?
22:11 < martin_> gn8
22:11 < netrunner> SMP: how do you explain your theory that a problem in the raid occurs by just booting another kernel? (which is the only change I did that concerns the raid)
22:11 < netrunner> SMP: I believe it cannot be a problem in the fs. I can still mount it as /dev/md0 when I boot the old redhat.
22:12 < SMP> there is no fucking problem in the raid in my theory
22:13 < SMP> maybe the old kernel doesn't check for an oversized fs, whatever
22:13 < _spectre> hm, I tried the software raid stuff for quite a while trying to create 4 raid5 arrays using 3 different discs - eventually things failed - kernel panic included
22:13 < SMP> maybe it is an error in the new kernel - then you can find out about it by trying resize_reiserfs
22:14 < _spectre> I was using 2.4.18 and one drive was on a PDC20276 (promise fasttrak)
22:14 < SMP> gah, promise crap
22:15 < _spectre> strangely it works fine using it to run drives single
22:15 < _spectre> I've used it for over a year now, having a 100+ Gig movie partition on one disc attached to the controller
22:15 < _spectre> never ever a problem
22:16 < _spectre> only when I try raid
22:16 < _spectre> I could mkraid the first two, sometimes even three arrays, then I ended up with a kernel panic
22:16 < netrunner> SMP: ok, I did it and resize_reiserfs sais: /dev/discs/disc2/part1 already is of the needed size. Nothing to be done
22:16 < SMP> cool
22:17 < SMP> looks like a kernel bug
22:17 < _spectre> SMP: have You ever been able to really set up & use a  software raid ?
22:18 < SMP> _spectre: yes. there's nothing special about it
22:18 < netrunner> _spectre: I did it. and it worked fine. until I gave it to rocklinux.
22:19 < SMP> other than that XFS on LVM on sw-RAID5 exploded like hell
22:19 < netrunner> _spectre: but that's unfair, I am still a friend of the idea that it is devfs related
22:19 < _spectre> reading the howto it sounds as if it should work ok, I could not get it to run okay, so after trying around for about a week I just left it
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22:19 < _spectre> aha, well I tried it on drock-1.6.1
22:20 < SMP> netrunner: try the new kernel on the old RedHat (!) with devfs=nomount
22:20 < _spectre> right now I'm trying to make dvdrip run on drock-2.0beta7
22:21 < _spectre> if You're still trying/needing fixing for that package I could summarize for You what I did ? (- but I still need to test a few things)
22:21 < _spectre> There isn't a bugtracking system for rocklinux by any chance, is there ?
22:22 < ruddur> question i have configured font in /etc/default.vcfont but is only in the vc/1 how for the rest of vc
22:22 < SMP> _spectre: http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/
22:22 < _spectre> ah, thx :-)
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22:24 < _spectre> so, if I have a bug and the fix, too should I write both in there ?
22:24 < SMP> _spectre: no, send it to the mailing list
22:24 < netrunner> SMP: I'll do so later when my gf has finished watching the movie (the lvm already works :)
22:26 < _spectre> okay
22:33 < _spectre> *dvdrippin* =)
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22:43 < _spectre> SMP: I cannot register as a new user on flyspray as I'm not receiving the confirmation email
22:45 < SMP> *shrug* give it some time ... I am not in charge of flyspray or the machine it is hosted on, so I can't say anything about this
22:46 < _spectre> okay, we'll see
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22:51 < blokkie> hi
22:52 < blokkie> how do I get imlib2_loaders seen by enlightenment ?
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23:26 < ruddur> when i define setfont in default.vcfont there is only vc/1 with the new font
23:26 < blokkie> hi mistik1
23:26 < ruddur> how to modify for this affect all vc
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