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00:03 < netrunner> good evening.
00:03 * netrunner still fighting with his raid
00:03 < dennis> hi netrunner 
00:03 < esden> hi netrunner 
00:04 < daja77> hi netrunner
00:04 < netrunner> anyone of the now listening uses softraid with devfs and currend rock?
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00:18 < esden> netrunner: /me not yet
00:19 < netrunner> esden: /me cannot mount raid since upgrade to rock :(
00:19 < esden> netrunner: that is not good
00:19 < netrunner> esden: ack
00:19 * -> esden is still fighting dump ... 
00:20 < esden> since _many_ hours
00:20 < netrunner> esden: you are fighting while having a dump?
00:20 < esden> that is not a program that is a bitch ... or something worse 
00:21 < esden> hehe .... 
00:21 < esden> would be also an idea
00:21 < esden> but that is a name of a program ... no a unsorted aglemeration of code
00:22 < esden> I can not call that a prograb ... that is everything but not a program
00:23 < esden> humm ... is RLML once more broken?
00:23 < esden> I have not got a mail for a long time now
00:24 < dennis> esden: no
00:24 < esden> o_O
00:24 < dennis> esden: i've received me mail succesfully (2 min ago)
00:25 < dennis> s/me/my
00:25 < esden> ahh there it is
00:25 < esden> good dennis 
00:25 < esden> thanks for the info
00:25 < dennis> np :)
00:28 < dennis> i hope the fuckin cksum is correct ;-)
00:29 * -> esden making another cappu ... I will need some of them till I get dump running ...
00:32 < netrunner> hmmm .... I have problems with the superblock "mdadm: No super block found on /dev/md/0 (Expected magic a92b4efc, got 05700ae0)"
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00:32 < netrunner> I read that there was a discussion on linux-kernel about "RFC - new raid superblock layout for md driver"
00:32 < netrunner> is that a sign?
00:33 < esden> can be ... or not ;)
00:36 < netrunner> grmbl.
00:37 < netrunner> I'll try to take one disk out, create a single-disk raid 1 and copy the data to the new raid disk then add the old back. next week.
00:37 < netrunner> I'm going to Duesseldorf tomorrow, anyone needs a lift?
00:38 < esden> what do you need in duesseldorf?
00:38 < netrunner> esden: visit my uncle
00:38 < esden> have fun
00:38 < netrunner> thx :)
00:38 < netrunner> n8 *
00:39 < esden> n8
00:41 < esden> how can I dump symbols from an object file?
00:41 < daja77> n8 netrunner 
00:41 < daja77> nm?
00:41 < esden> or better from a .a lib?
00:41 < daja77> oh object ...
00:41 < daja77> forgot it ...
00:41 < esden> daja77: !!!
00:41 < esden> haw could you!
00:41 < esden> ;)
00:42 * daja77 getting old
00:42 < esden> lol
00:43 < martin> gn8
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00:43 < daja77> :)
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00:50 < ram> hi.
00:53 < daja77> ram without mi :)
00:54 < ram> ?
00:54 < ram> :)
00:54 -!- ram is now known as rammi
00:54 < rammi> wrong.. nick
00:55 < daja77> :)
00:56 < rammi> i see you made to the rc1.. nice.. nice.. 
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00:57 < esden> lool daja77 made the release candidate 1 ... good work daja ... how long has it taken you to make a rocklunx clone? ;)
00:58 < daja77> .oO esden is jeleous 
00:58 < daja77> esden: i was faster than owl
00:58 < daja77> :)
00:58 < esden> I am only a dietlibc minion ;)
00:58 < daja77> guess rammi meant you direted to us
00:59 < esden> sure I am jelous when you create a whole distribution build kit ;)
00:59 < daja77> directed
00:59 * daja77 überhacker
00:59 * -> esden ???
00:59 * daja77 notes that this might be wrong
00:59 < Ge0rG> correct spelling would be "uberhacker" ;)
00:59 < esden> daja77: you are our uebercool ueberfast uebermighty ueberhacker ;)
01:00 < daja77> esden: you in der mehrzahl, er meint uns, nicht nur mich
01:00 < esden> ahh ok
01:00 < daja77> rofl
01:01 * daja77 lowerhacker that has no time for rock coding :(
01:01 < esden> rammi: I have to admit that I have not realized you here in the channel yet ... where do you come from ... and what lead you to us?
01:01 < rammi> i come frome Serbia... 
01:02 < esden> so rock arrived serbia, very nice
01:02 < rammi> i like rock linux.. but not using one.. because i dont have full version.. i only try beta6 mini install
01:03 < esden> why don't you have a full version?
01:03 < daja77> esden: btw my father told me that he needs a big pasport to enter poland, boy that sucks
01:04 < esden> big passport? o_O
01:04 < rammi> my connection is very slow.
01:05 < esden> rammi: wait till 2.0 get's released and order a cd set ...
01:05 < daja77> yepp  real passport instead of personalausweis
01:05 < esden> yea sure ... poland is not yet in EU
01:06 < rammi> order.. how.. i didnt find any Store link on rocklinux.org
01:07 < esden> you can ask anyone from here to send you the cd's ... 
01:07 < esden> but I would wait till 2.0 to get full blown stable stuff
01:07 < esden> then you also get a source cd and you will be able to make your own builds with that
01:08 < rammi> cool.. 
01:08 < esden> updating only the source packeges what should be possible also over a slow connection
01:08 < daja77> esden: the czech republik is not in eu too, as well as turkey, still you don't need a passport for these
01:09 < daja77> we are neighbours, my god
01:09 < esden> since when? o_O
01:09 < daja77> for years
01:09 < esden> daja77: I have not decided that ... 
01:09 < esden> and I have no influence on that
01:09 < daja77> i know, just wanted to tell someone
01:09 < esden> now I know
01:09 < esden> thanks ;)
01:10 < rxr> re
01:11 < esden> re rxr my friend ;)
01:11 < daja77> hi rxr
01:11 < rammi> what is the "re"?
01:11 < daja77> returns
01:12 < esden> please be carefull I may act strangely ... fixing dumps makes me feel really strange ...
01:12 < daja77> rxr: the isos should be at your site already :)
01:12 < rxr> daja77: ok
01:12 < rxr> rammi: I
01:12 < rxr> 'm curious - how many EUR repective $ would you sent for a ROCK Linux CD set ?
01:13 < daja77> rxr will become famosu and rich :)
01:14 < rammi> asking me.?
01:14 < rxr> daja77: I do not think so - I just do marketing reseach ...
01:14 < rxr> rammi: yes
01:14 < rammi> i dont now.. how much is it 
01:15 < rammi> know
01:15 < daja77> i don't mid you getting roich and famosu
01:15 < rxr> daja77: are those spelling intentional?
01:16 < daja77> no, lame connection due rocklinux download
01:19 < rammi> when will rock final go out..
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01:20 < rxr> rammi: there is no price yet - I just liked to get some honest estimation from you which do you think is fair?
01:20 < rxr> btw in which country do you you live?
01:21 < rammi> 10 E. 20 E max
01:21 < rammi> Serbia.. Cacak
01:21 < rxr> E. means Euro?
01:21 < rammi> yes
01:21 < rammi> what do you think
01:22 < esden> rammi: is that price estimation with shipping included or not?
01:22 < daja77> we discussed today that the market for selling linux distribution boxes is down here
01:23 < esden> daja77: where here?
01:23 < daja77> in .de
01:23 < rammi> yes.. 
01:23 < daja77> that's why redhat doesn't sell boxes anymore
01:24 < esden> is nobody buying linux boxes in the us?
01:25 < daja77> well they switched to selling a magazine with cds instead
01:26 < rxr> rammi: do you need PPC or x86? And do would you like to get 2.0.0-rc1 - with all the edges it has - or wair for 2.0.0?
01:26 < rxr> I could send a set over 
01:27 < rammi> rc1.. because i dont know how much i have to wait
01:28 < esden> what the holy fsck ... that can not be ... the msg symbol has to be there ... why does that fscking linker not see it ?
01:28 < rxr> rammi: please send the shipping details to rene@rocklinux.org
01:28 * daja77 goes to bed now
01:28 < daja77> cu
01:29 < esden> cu daja77 
01:29 < rxr> I expect is it not cheap to transfer the money to germany - so I think you'll get it for free
01:30 < rammi> i dont know how to send the money
01:31 < rammi> i how much?
01:31 < rxr> the last time I did an foreign bank-transfer it was arround 8ERU or so ... (from Germany to UK - but it doesn't matter that much)
01:31 < rxr> e/ERU/EUR/
01:32 < esden> rammi: the best way would be to make a bank transfer to the bank account of rxr 
01:33 < esden> that is at least here the easiest way to shift money around
01:33 < rammi> its to much work.. and I dont have CrediCard..
01:33 < rammi> tnx.. i will try to download it.. ? tnx anyway.. and sorry for .. trouble
01:34 < esden> rammi: and rxr said that you get it for free ... so do not worry
01:34 < rxr> rammi: hey wait
01:34 < rxr> rammi: I said I ship it for free ...
01:35 < rxr> rammi: I said "I expect is it not cheap to transfer the money to germany - so I hink you'll get it for free@
01:36 < rammi> i dont wont to make troble.. work.. about sending and so.
01:37 < rxr> rammi: hey this is no trouble - burn the three CD on the SPARC while one of the intensive debugging sessions - like the one I'm currently in 
01:38 < rxr> - and throw the CD with some paper arround in the next mailbox.
01:38 < rxr> you just need to send me you address - and depending on the post services - have the CD set in some days ...
01:38 < rammi> hm. okey..
01:38 < rammi> i will send it in a few min.
01:38 < rxr> just send it to rene@rocklinux.org
01:39 < rammi> ok.. tnx.. 
01:39 < esden> uh oh ... that is bad ... iproute is failing in bootdisk target ... that is very bad !!!
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01:48 < rxr> mnemoc: I have a rxr5 i2c patch - I hope you do not scream ...
01:53 < esden> ok fixed iproute ... 
01:54 < rammi> rene.. what details do I need to send to you .. i doing this for the 1st time.. and I dont know it..
01:55 < rammi> Street, Contry, Town, Name, Last Name..
01:56 < esden> home number ... the standard snail-mail address
01:57 < rammi> home number?
01:58 < esden> the number of the building you live in. Or you do not have home numbers?
01:58 < esden> postal code perhups if you have something like that?
01:59 < rammi> yes.
01:59 < rammi> tnx
01:59 < esden> room number?
01:59 < rammi> I type thet.. 
02:00 < rammi> Nemanjina 33/33
02:00 < rammi> building numb. room numb..
02:00 < esden> good
02:00 < rxr> ah - re
02:01 < rxr> XFree and Kernel/DRM internals keep me away from this screen ..
02:01 < rammi> now i can send it
02:02 < rammi> no problem.
02:03 < esden> ahh apropos XFree I got XVideo running on my laptop ;)
02:04 < esden> the gatos driver made it possible
02:05 < esden> I will try to get 3D acceleration running too ... it should be possible, at least the guys of gatos say so
02:05 < esden> I think we should include the gatos ati drivers in rock
02:05 < rammi> cool.. in the name of God .. I will be one of the rockers.. soon :)
02:06 < esden> hehe
02:06 < rxr> esden: erhm - I'm just debugging the radeon "crap" on PPC - they make my X freeze ...
02:07 < esden> I will add that by myself ... I do not want to say that you should do it >_<
02:07 < esden> yes freezing X sux
02:08 < esden> but I wanted to tell you that I got it running because that was a problem on the dev-meeting if you remember perhups
02:09 < rxr> ah - yes - this was an old erhm mach64, correct?
02:10 < esden> an ATI Mobile mach64 crap
02:10 < esden> that is also preventing me from using framebuffer
02:11 < esden> I got it almost running ... but it is somehow not initializing the lcd correctly ... if I connect an external monitor and switch from the external to the lcd everything seems to work correctly now ... after I patched the kernel to use correct PLL value
02:11 < esden> but when I simply start the machine without external monitor it still remains black
02:12 < esden> I will have to investigate more there
02:24 < rammi> god night.. need sleep :)
02:24 < esden> good night rammi 
02:24 < rammi> tnx.
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02:37 < esden> uh oh ... the bootdisk target needs more fixing
02:41 < rxr> you mean it would when I apply the dietlibc patch on the list ?
02:45 < esden> yes ... but that are trivial things
02:45 < esden> I have the fixes in a moment
02:46 < esden> but wait for the patches before you apply my patches
02:49 < esden> so you can apply everithing including the incremental fixes too
02:50 < esden> so that there is no time someone gets broken tree
02:50 < rxr>   XMMS 1.2.8 
02:50 < rxr> someone wonna test?
02:54 < esden> rxr: should syslinux go on the 2nd stage image? 
02:54 < esden> I do not think so 
02:54 < esden> right?
02:55 < rxr> correct
02:55 < esden> it was missing in the package_map in build_stage2.sh
02:55 < esden> you forgot to add it there
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02:59 < fake> re
03:02 < esden> ok ... not all bugs are my patches ;)
03:02 < esden> there are two errors that have nothing to do with my dietlibc patches. that is good
03:02 < esden> ;)
03:02 < esden> re fake 
03:02 * fake fighting with his MIPS PDA once again...
03:04 < esden> any progress?
03:06 < fake> well...
03:06 < fake> at leat now i now why the pocket bsd bootloader kept failing - 'unsupported cpu' when compiled with debug output
03:06 < fake> the vr4122 is cuncommon in those pdas
03:06 < fake> the vr4111 and vr4100 are more common
03:07 < esden> that is a progress ... yes ... not very positive but progress
03:07 < fake> now i'm bound to cyace, another bootloader based on pbsdboot, which 'segfaults'
03:07 < fake> if you can call it that way
03:09 < esden> hmm ... debugging a bootloader seems pretty difficult ...
03:09 < esden> so I have to whish you good luck
03:09 < fake> ... without any hardware specifications, yes, i am in the dark
03:09 < fake> thanks
03:10 < esden> good bootdisk target fixed
03:12 < esden> ok ... I create an iso of dietlibc target with the bootdisk target that finished now and install my laptop with it ... 
03:12 < esden> I am very curious what happens ;)
03:23 < esden> I am very curious what happens ;)
03:23 < esden> ups
03:23 < esden> once more wrong window >_<
03:24 < fake> ../sysdeps/unix/syscall.S: Assembler messages:
03:24 < fake> ../sysdeps/unix/syscall.S:28: Error: absolute expression required `li'
03:24 < fake> *gnnnarf*
03:25 < esden> wooho ... now I have a dietlibc iso ... 
03:25 < esden> I am very eager if it really works ;)
03:26 * fake can't find an `li' in:
03:26 < fake> SYSCALL (syscall, 1)
03:27 < rxr> fake: hint macro
03:27 < fake> rxr: arrrr
03:27 < fake> rxr: why does glibc suck so much?
03:28 < esden> fake: do not ask ME I really would like to know that myself ;)
03:31 < rxr> fake: the inital _syscall is a kernel thing ...
03:32 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeee
03:32 < fake> today is not my day... include/linux/time.h:145:31: division by zero in #if
03:32 < rxr> ah no sorry
03:34 < esden> ok mounting the test disc into my laptop
03:34 < rxr> oh my
03:34 < rxr> it seems I need to merge the ppc kernel tree DRM fixes into the XFree CVS tree
03:35 < rxr> I already started to package an pre-clrened drm package due to the current one we use is out of date ...
03:35 * fake guessing CLOCK_TICK_RATE... >_<
03:38 < esden> ok dietlibc target installing...
03:39 < esden> fake: take a w20 and you will get the right value ;)
03:39 < fake> aeh... w20 * 1000000
03:40 * fake acquiring food / cooking
03:48 < rxr> oO I seem to overload the OS XEmacs by cutting several hundreds of kB inside a buffer ...
03:49 < rxr> hm / not hit the 100MB region ...
03:49 < rxr> (memory footprint)
03:50 < rxr> hm - 140MB ...
03:53 * -> esden booting into dietlibc system
04:03 < rxr> ok 600MB for this editor was enougth - killed ...
04:07 * rxr booting a new xemacs
04:15 < esden> humm ... fsck seems to be broken in the dietlibc build ...
04:20 < rxr> oehm
04:20 < rxr> maybe we should really consider using the sf.net DRI trunk ...
04:20 < esden> haaa there it is
04:20 < esden> fsck is linked for some fscking reason dynamically
04:21 < esden> as I expected
04:29 < esden> ha now it is correct!
04:32 < esden> ok reburning iso
04:36 < esden> hmm ... there are still some packets missing in the dietlibc target
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04:38 < esden> hi n00kie 
04:38 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
04:38 < esden> rxr: got it running?
04:38 < rxr> OpenGL on my iBook
04:38 < n00kie> Hi esden :)
04:38 < rxr> finally
04:38 < esden> congrats rxr 
04:38 < n00kie> rxr: Congrats :-)
04:38 < esden> rxr: I pack my patches together in a moment and send them to the ML
04:39 < esden> so you can apply them
04:39 < esden> the bootdisk target seems to be working now correctly
04:39 < esden> and compiling correcly
04:39 * rxr is busy playing Quake3 and FlightGear the next days ...
04:39 < esden> rxr: !!!
04:39 < esden> ;)
04:39 < n00kie> Hehe
04:42 < rxr> gltrons works
04:43 < n00kie> rxr: Do you run OpenGL on OSX or Linux?
04:43 < rxr> n00kie: ehrm of course it work out of the box on MacOS-X perfect
04:44 < rxr> but the times I boot into OS-X convergate to zero - and when I use it I start it in MacOnLinux ...
04:44 < rxr> this is GL on ROCK ...
04:45 < n00kie> Ah, okay
04:46 < rxr> puh - the last missing thing on the Laptop ...
04:46 < n00kie> Hmm.
04:47 < rxr> boah - heavily bledned textures with 500 fps
04:48 < n00kie> the human eye only can see 25 fps
04:48 < n00kie> ;-)
04:49 < esden> ok ... sending out the patches ...
04:49 < esden> hold on ;)
04:54 < rxr> This Radeon Mobiliy M7 rocks 
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05:00 < esden> rxr: mail out ;)
05:01 < rxr> esden: I think I apply it after some sleep
05:02 < rxr> btw we'll meet Regina today
05:02 < esden> *cry* ... :( ... but ok I can understand it
05:02 < rxr> ah! it is 5 o'clock ?!?!?!?
05:02 < rxr> shti
05:02 < esden> rxr: *GRRR* ... greet her from me
05:02 < rxr> +t
05:02 < esden> and give her a hug from me please
05:03 * rxr happy that OpenGL is finally in a useable state on the iBook - puh! a <huge>PUH!</huge>
05:03 < rxr> esden: jups - I'll do so
05:03 < esden> thank you very much 
05:03 < rxr> I heared your parents where afraid due to the montain climbing?
05:04 < esden> hehe ... yes they were
05:07 < mnemoc> re
05:07 < esden> re mnemoc 
05:07 < esden> rxr: regina is telling everything around ;)
05:07 < rxr> hopully they are not that afrraid the next time - hey, and at least you have survived glibc and dietlibc code ... what is a mountain compared to that ...
05:07 < esden> rxr: you are right ... nothing ;)
05:08 < rxr> esden: no - not to everyone ... we just phoned long some days ago ... ...
05:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess you will kick me - but I have a patch-...-i2c-..-rxr5 lying arround ready on the UltraSPARC waiting for an SCP ...
05:09 < rxr> but this will be tomorrow - after some sleep ...
05:09 < mnemoc> does it builds? ;)
05:09 < esden> rxr: ahh ok ;)
05:10 < rxr> oh - cool
05:10 < esden> o_O
05:10 < rxr> the iBook even wakes up correctly using DRI ... - astonished
05:11 < rxr> mnemoc: sure - is -rxr4 + PowerPC fixes ...
05:11 < rxr> nothing changes for x86 .,.
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05:13 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to see to believe :)
05:14 < mnemoc> regresions are strong in those patches :)
05:14 * mnemoc hides
05:15 < rxr> mnemoc: hm?
05:16 < rxr> the additions are really only in two mac specific modules - which could not have built before ... - they are just not used on plain-x86 builds
05:16 < rxr> btw, has anyone tested if the driver also work after my patch merging? Or do jey just _compile_?
05:16 < mnemoc> uhm... compiles :)
05:19 < n00kie> oh man
05:19 < rxr> this weekend we will have a rc1+fixes for PowerPC
05:19 < n00kie> I have to standup on 7:00
05:19 < n00kie> am can't sleep
05:19 < n00kie> and
05:20 < esden> hmm that was to be expected pam is not compiling under dietlibc out of the box
05:20 < esden> but vim does ... what are these people doing >_<
05:21 < rxr> esden: pam does use ldopen ...
05:21 < mnemoc> building generic with stackprotector and gcc33 i got 153 errors on stage 5 :(
05:21 < rxr> it has plugins ...
05:21 < rxr> mnemoc: oh
05:21 < esden> grrr ... ok
05:22 < mnemoc> i hope lot of them are 'cascade' errors
05:22 < rxr> it is really cool to gather more nd more people that work on different ends
05:22 < rxr> on ROCK
05:22 * rxr of to bed
05:22 < mnemoc> sure... you can worry about ppc :)
05:22 < mnemoc> good night rxr
05:23 < esden> n8 rxr 
05:23 < n00kie> sleep well rxr 
05:23 < rxr> cu hopfully today - but there are quite some real-world items on the list ...
05:23 < n00kie> esden: Don't you go to bed?
05:23 < esden> rxr: have fun
05:23 < esden> n00kie: I should 
05:23 < esden> but I can't
05:24 < esden> I want that dietlibc target to work on my laptop ;)
05:25 < mnemoc> will you start uclibc after diertlibc is finished? :) 
05:25 < esden> I think so yes
05:25 < mnemoc> nice
05:26 < n00kie> that will be nice
05:26 < esden> ok to get shadow working I need libtool and for it I need autoconf
05:26 < esden> that means I need perl
05:26 < esden> *GRRRR*
05:28 < mnemoc> i don't something more stupid than a auto{conf,make} needing perl :|
05:28 < esden> more stupid is that linux kernel needs perl to compile too
05:29 < mnemoc> what?? kidding?
05:29 < esden> as you can read in my mails sent to the mailinglist
05:29 < esden> mnemoc: I am not kidding
05:29 < esden> the kernel uses perl for some tools for symbol extraction and so
05:30 * mnemoc can't (don't want to) believe that
05:30 < n00kie> esden: What?
05:30 < esden> mnemoc: then check it by yourself
05:30 < n00kie> I can't believe that
05:31 < n00kie> Why should the kernel need perl to compile?
05:31 < esden> cd /usr/src/linux; grep -r perl *
05:31 < n00kie> o_O
05:31 < mnemoc> does it required perl5? :(
05:31 < n00kie> woah
05:32 < n00kie> That much
05:32 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/laptop/dietpatchgen/build# grep -r "\#\!\/.*perl" /usr/src/linux
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/script_asm.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl -s
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/arch/cris/drivers/lpslave/bintocarr.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl -w
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/split-man:#!/usr/bin/perl
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/kernel-doc:#!/usr/bin/perl -w
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/checkhelp.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/checkincludes.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/BK-usage/csets-to-patches:#!/usr/bin/perl -w
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/BK-usage/cset-to-linus:#!/usr/bin/perl -w
05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-doc-nano-HOWTO.txt:#!/usr/bin/perl
05:32 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/laptop/dietpatchgen/build#
05:32 < esden> here the proof
05:32 < mnemoc> please... STOP 
05:32 * mnemoc depresed
05:32 < n00kie> my machine called "nonsense" :)
05:33 < n00kie> mnemoc: What's the name of your machine, mnemoc?
05:33 < esden> humm .. I could disable scsi stuff and that lpslave driver then it may compile without perl
05:34 < mnemoc> my machine at home is colled as my daugther.. victoria
05:34 < mnemoc> my rock 'playcamp' is called soporte-linux :(
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05:37 < esden> re fake 
05:37 < mnemoc> wb fake
05:37 < fake> re
05:42 < n00kie> wb fake 
05:44 < fake> wow... finally a kernel seems to compile for the mips pda...
05:56 < mnemoc> you must try to sleep sometimes... it's good for health, really
06:08 < fake> i will sleep - as soon as i finished another episode of 'happy lesson' and tested the just built kernel on the pda
06:08 < mnemoc> build kernel ON the pda, or FOR the pda?
06:09 < fake> for the pda on my workstation ... 
06:09 < fake> i don't have _that_ much time ;)
06:10 < mnemoc> =)
06:14 < esden> ok I started a clean build of dietlibc target ...
06:14 < esden> I am eager to know if it will spit out any errors ...
06:14 < fake> and it still doesn't work -_-
06:14 < esden> and I should start a bootdisk build too .... *sigh*
06:16 < fake> sunset...
06:16 < esden> ok ... a bootdisk build started now too ...
06:17 < esden> I wait till linux24 fails ... disable the apriopriate driver and go to bed
06:18 < esden> sun is rising >_<
06:18 < esden> I HATE THAT
06:18 < mnemoc> good 'sunset' rl :) ... i go to sleep... cu
06:19 < mnemoc> find -name '*.c' >> kernel-disable.lst
06:19 < esden> n8 mnemoc 
06:19 < esden> mnemoc: lool
06:19 < mnemoc> n8
06:26 < n00kie> good night mnemoc :)
06:39 * fake also going to bed before it gets too bright in here
06:39 < fake> n8
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06:39 < n00kie> good night
06:39 < n00kie> :-)
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07:00 < esden> n8
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07:45 < scythe_> mornin'
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10:46 < daja77> moin
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11:03 < daja77> O_o we need two different versons vor libgnomeuimm strange
11:03 < daja77> moin cchamilt 
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11:22 < rammi> hi.
11:22 < scythe_> hi
11:24 * daja77 off to work now
11:25 < daja77> cu
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12:19 < owl> moin
12:34 < esden> good morning everyone
12:34 < esden> SMP: you shoot me?
12:34 < esden> SMP: what have I done?
12:34 < scythe_> mornin? in which timezone u live? :-)
12:35 < esden> in the ESDEN zone, why?
12:37 < scythe_> ...
12:38 < SMP> esden: for the pointless 1 MB curl patch
12:38 < esden> why pointless?
12:38 < esden> can you explain that to me?
12:40 < esden> you think you have a better solution? I am open for suggestions...
12:41 < SMP> esden: it is completely impossible to see what you really want to change (you did not send the configure.in) and anyway you should have patched the configure script directly, not through configure.in and a brute autoconf run
12:41 < esden> I did not change anything
12:41 < SMP> then why the patch?
12:42 < esden> I only run autoconf over that
12:42 < SMP> what was the problem with curl in the first place?
12:42 < esden> because the autoconf that was usef originally to generate configure generated a broken configure script
12:42 < SMP> broken in what way?
12:43 < esden> it checked for c++ pre processor sanity even if two lines above it detecded that it does not need c++ at all
12:44 < SMP> and that's all?
12:44 < esden> yes ... I was not willing to patch configure by hand to get that stuff out
12:44 < SMP> yeah right, and instead you send a 1MB patch *SIGH*
12:45 < esden> SMP: you may submit a smaller patch if you hate that big patch so much
12:45 < SMP> let me see
12:45 < esden> ok ;)
12:46 < SMP> around what line number does that happen?
12:46 < SMP> or give me a string so look for
12:47 < esden> mom
12:49 < esden> error: C++ preprocessor \"$CXXCPP\" fails sanity check
12:49 < esden> all that stuff is not there after you run ./reconf over it
12:54 < SMP> it takes a *one* line patch to disable that
12:54 < SMP> -if $ac_preproc_ok; then
12:54 < SMP> +if true; then
12:55 < esden> ok I will check that
12:55 < SMP> apply that only when under dietlibc and it's sane enoug
12:56 < SMP> saner than a 1MB patch anyway
12:57 < esden> yes that is right
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13:20 < esden> SMP: your solution works, thank you very much
13:22 < SMP> no problem
13:31 < scythe_> what is exactly needed to build rock linux to a different architecture - eg gcc.x, glibc.x etc. ?
13:33 < SMP> oh, hey, I should answer your mail
13:33 < scythe_> ...
13:34 < scythe_> i am doing an i386-s390 cross compiler, what versions of what programs are needed?
13:34 < scythe_> for rock
13:34 < esden> ok new curl patch sent to the mailinglist
13:35 < SMP> scythe_: do you already have the rock sources available?
13:37 < scythe_> not yet, just done a gcc 3.3 xc and compiled a 2.4.21 with ibm patches
13:37 < esden> scythe_: you should get the rock sources and create a cross chaintool with the rocklinux scripts
13:37 < SMP> ok, you don't need to build any tools or cross tools on your own
13:38 < esden> SMP will explain that /me shutting up
13:38 < esden> ;)
13:38 < scythe_> esden: i'll do that, after i completed the ipl with the new kernel :-)
13:38 < SMP> (ipl meaning boot)
13:40 < scythe_> yes, sorry
13:41 < SMP> no problem, most people just done
13:41 < SMP> eh
13:41 < SMP> don't know big iron speak ;)
13:41 < scythe_> initial program load - parisc and sparc does this too, doesn't?
13:42 < SMP> never heard this used on anything not from IBM
13:42 < scythe_> i saw it on a 10 yrs old parisc
13:46 < SMP> ok, probably esden can help you more with the initial steps - first major goal would be to fill in the parts in architecture/s390/. I have never done any porting myself with the 1.7/2.0 style scripts, but esden did
13:47 < SMP> by the way why do you want to start with a cross build? it is probably easier to start on apollo and it should just work
13:47 < scythe_> slow
13:48 < scythe_> i mean sloooooow
13:49 < scythe_> but we can do it, a few weeks and its done :-) (but really, it would take some days)
13:50 < SMP> I'm not sure if it's easier to start native or cross - the scripts make cross building really easy ;)
13:50 < SMP> esden?
13:51 < esden> he should start with a cross build
13:51 < esden> that will be faster
13:52 < scythe_> do i need to be root on the maschine used for cross-building - i am not the p4s admin, and the guys isnt to flexible
13:52 < esden> yes sadly you need root for that
13:53 < esden> but you may try ... I may be wrong
13:53 < esden> because cross build is not creating a chroot IIRC
13:53 < esden> so it may work also as normal user
13:54 < scythe_> may?
13:54 * -> esden has never done a cross build ... 
13:54 < esden> scythe_: but you also may install an other distro on the s390 (debian?) and start the port from there
13:54 < esden> that is how I have done it with alpha
13:55 < SMP> just try it, it will probably work far enough and you'll see when it breaks ;)
13:55 < scythe_> ok
13:55 < esden> SMP: good point ;)
13:55 < SMP> esden: the current Linux on the s390 is just fine, but the machine is slow
13:55 < SMP> scythe_: can you drop a copy of the sources on apollo?
13:55 < scythe_> we are running production os390s on the same cpu with more priority
13:56 < scythe_> yes, shall i use cvs?
13:56 < esden> you should take the rock sources from svn yes
13:56 < SMP> he probably doesn't have a subversion client ...
13:57 < SMP> do we still have snapshot tarballs?
13:58 < scythe_> if svn is similar to cvs i will learn to use it fast...
13:58 < SMP> it is almost equal to use - problem would be to get an svn client
13:59 < scythe_> I see. SMP: couldn't you upload the sources to apollo, or give me a URL to download from?
13:59 < scythe_> (svn isnt gpl?)
13:59 < SMP> yeah, wait - I'm checking out a tree without my local mods and I'll tar it up and upload
13:59 < SMP> svn is gpl but a bit nasty to build
14:01 < esden> SMP: not that I know of ... only release tarballs
14:01 * -> esden should read before writing >_<
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14:02 < DeElsasser> hello folks
14:02 < esden> hi DeElsasser 
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14:02 < DeElsasser> rxr?
14:02 < scythe_> hi
14:03 < DeElsasser> hi scythe_, new here?
14:04 < scythe_> DeElsasse: yep, met rock yesterday :-)
14:05 < DeElsasser> esden: do you know something about koffice-i18n?
14:06 < DeElsasser> scythe_: and how do you find it?
14:06 < SMP> what's up with koffice-18n?
14:06 < esden> DeElsasser: nope
14:06 < DeElsasser> SMP: it builds but koffice is still in en_US
14:07 < DeElsasser> I don't find where set the locale
14:07 < SMP> you set a locale in KDE Controlcenter?
14:07 < DeElsasser> yes
14:08 < DeElsasser> I will try with the new version
14:09 < scythe_> SMP: when do u upload? - i'd like to reboot with the new kernel
14:09 < scythe_> SMP: it's 5 minutes - i hope
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14:09 < SMP> DeElsasser: I recently built it and it worked immediately
14:09 < SMP> scythe_: checkout still running ...
14:10 < scythe_> then i'll be back - i start the reipl
14:10 < SMP> o
14:10 < SMP> ok
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14:12 < DeElsasser> SMP: 1.2.91?
14:12 < daja77> re
14:12 < DeElsasser> hello daja77, how are-you?
14:13 < daja77> hi DeElsasser, i am fine thx, and you
14:14 < DeElsasser> good, I had a good lunch, all is allright
14:14 < daja77> hehe :)
14:15 < SMP> DeElsasser: no, I tested the upgrade to .92 - but it should just work in .91 as well
14:15 * DeElsasser 'wife will that he do a diet...
14:15 < DeElsasser> SMP: thx will try 1.2.92
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14:15 < daja77> DeElsasser: hehe how could she :)
14:17 < DeElsasser> don't know, perhaps she need new "brillen"
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14:17 < SMP> DeElsasser: "glasses"
14:18 < esden> moin daja77 
14:18 < DeElsasser> daja77: is there a kde frontend for postgresql (tora?)
14:18 < DeElsasser> SMP: danke
14:18 < daja77> DeElsasser: dunno i don't need graphical frontends to dbs
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14:18 < daja77> hi esden 
14:19 < DeElsasser> daja77: I know, just a question
14:19 * daja77 used postgres with sql query txt files
14:19 * DeElsasser want try one
14:20 < daja77> scripted db rules :)
14:20 < DeElsasser> just to administration, I find it's easier
14:22 < daja77> hmm as I said, dunno :)
14:24 < DeElsasser> about graphical: my 'pure' kde target works fine, but in the last cd install mine doesn't work
14:24 < daja77> aha
14:24 < DeElsasser> it doesn't find postinstall.sh (something like)
14:25 < DeElsasser> so I do a manual mine -R /mnt/target
14:27 * daja77 hating the fact to depend on python scripts
14:27 < DeElsasser> is that a knowed bug?
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14:35 < dennis> hi all
14:36 < DeElsasser> hi dennis
14:36 < dennis> hi DeElsasser 
14:40 < dennis>  /whois DeElsasser 
14:40 < dennis> ohh sry ;-)
14:40 < esden> hi dennis 
14:40 < esden> dennis: learn typing ;)
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14:42 < scythe_> hi again
14:42 < dennis> hi esden
14:42 < dennis> h scythe_ 
14:42 < dennis> s/h/hi
14:44 < DeElsasser> dennis: DeElsasser is an Elsasser ;-)
14:44 < dennis> DeElsasser: ahh, thanks :D
14:57 < scythe_> SMP: as u see the reipl failed - i had to roll back to the prev kernel - i forgot to compile in devfd ;-)
14:57 < scythe_> devfs i mean
14:58 < SMP> ah, yeah
15:01 < esden> WOOOOW rocklinux is listed on the frontpage of the alphalinux page !!!
15:01 < esden> Amazing!
15:01 < daja77> great
15:01 < esden> see www.alphalinux.org
15:02 < SMP> heh
15:03 < esden> alphanews posted an article that we (/me ;) ) are back to alpha development ;)
15:03 < daja77> hehe
15:03 < esden> the guys there are picking up stuff very fast ;)
15:05 < Freak> guys.. that reminds me of... hey guys!
15:05 < esden> hi Freak 
15:05 < esden> o_O
15:06 < Freak> whats that look?
15:06 < daja77> *lol* rh7.2 for alpha ...
15:06 < daja77> hey Freak 
15:06 < Freak> hi daja77
15:07 < daja77> oh my ... is that page ugly
15:07 < Freak> which one?
15:07 < daja77> alphalinux
15:09 < DeElsasser> it's a 64_orange_bit_penguin
15:10 < DeElsasser> on alpha station, there are only tree colors, black, red and orange ...
15:11 < DeElsasser> there are no blue-screens
15:11 < daja77> hmmm
15:17 < Freak> I don't get it.
15:17 < daja77> hm?
15:18 < Freak> DeElsasser's last three lines
15:18 < daja77> :)
15:18 < scythe_> SMP: can i retry the new kernel on apollo? i've recompiled it with devfs
15:19 * SMP vanishes ;)
15:19 < scythe_> B back
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15:25 < scythe_> SMP: so she rebooted - i reallocate my self, than i am ready to rock - when can u upload the srcs?
15:25 < SMP> they're already there
15:26 < scythe_> then i'll start working in 30minutes
15:26 < scythe_> or u can if u want to...
15:26 < scythe_> cu
15:26 < SMP> start with running ./scripts/Check-System 
15:26 < SMP> cu
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15:53 < rxr> re
15:53 < esden> re rxr 
15:54 < daja77> hi rxr
15:57 < rxr> hi daja77  and esden 
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16:05 < DeElsasser> hi rxr
16:08 < rxr> hi DeElsasser 
16:09 < DeElsasser> rxr: koffice-i18n (1.2.91) builds but doesn't work, do you something about this?
16:10 < rxr> DeElsasser: oh I did not know - I'll fix this tonight or tomorrow - if you like you can fill a flyspay entry end assign it to me (as reminder)
16:11 < DeElsasser> rxr: I don't think it's a rock problem, I will try 1.2.92 this evening to see
16:14 < esden> rxr: have fun with chinafood ;)
16:15 < esden> rxr: and with Harry Potter ;)
16:15 < daja77> esden: petze :)
16:16 < rxr> DeElsasser: do you use ROCK? or a handbuild?
16:16 < rxr> esden: thanks
16:17 < DeElsasser> rxr: rock, but I tried by hand (i18n) and it was the same
16:18 < DeElsasser> looks like that koffice don't find the locale
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16:19 < DeElsasser> and I don't know where he look for getting it
16:21 < DeElsasser> I will also try with i18n-fr to see
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16:27 < esden> hehe ... I see that my patch collection is so big that it even scares rxr ... 
16:27 < esden> rxr: you are pushing that hill in front of you ;)
16:27 < esden> hehe :)
16:31 < rxr> esden: nope - I apply it as soon as I have all the neded adaptions in the tree to label it -rc1+fixes for the PowerPC ISO this weekend
16:31 < rxr> you patch will be applied tonight
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16:32 < scythe_> hi again
16:32 < esden> ok ... np, I only made fun ;)
16:33 < esden> re scythe_ 
16:33 < rxr> esden: :-) I know - I just wanted to inform you ...
16:34 < esden> thank you very much for the information ;)
16:34 < rxr> esden: could you take a look if dimitars devfs patch for (was it init) looks and works ok?)
16:34 * daja77 notes that he _hates_ suse
16:36 < scythe_> why does rock needs bash-2.05b (i've got 2.05a ;-( )
16:36 < rxr> daja77: welcome in this club ....
16:37 < rxr> scythe_: because the old bash is too bugy?
16:37 < rxr> it will not run our shell script properly ...
16:37 < scythe_> it's from a to b - was this a big step?
16:37 < daja77> i have to maintain a suse 7.3, and need new software on it *cries*
16:37 < rxr> nope - but the bug fixes needed to work properly ...
16:38 < scythe_> i see - i have to change it on our deb
16:38 < mnemoc> re
16:38 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
16:38 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
16:41 < daja77> btw the freeciv guys managed to close their site due the patents problem
16:42 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,264396,00.html
16:43 < mnemoc> libxml2 shares with py2.3 :(
16:44 < mnemoc> why do they do such things???? damn
16:44 < daja77> ah the spiegel bot is back
16:46 < SMP> re
16:47 < mnemoc> passagierflugzeuge <--- what means?
16:47 < SMP> passenger airplanes
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16:49 < daja77> airplanes with passengers in it
16:49 < daja77> d'oh
16:51 < mnemoc> thanks :)
16:51 < esden> o_O iproute fixed? that was all? *shocked*
16:51 < rxr> and the next linux-drm fixup round ...
16:55 < DeElsasser> can somebody say to the britten that missiles on airplanes are required, perhaps they refuse to use they...
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16:56 < esden> *sigh* ... 
16:56 < esden> I will never get that dietlibc target full functional ...
16:56 < mnemoc> you will... and will do the same for ucblic :)
16:56 < esden> I am currently lying under a hill of bugs ... and do not know which bug to kill first
16:56 * daja77 pets esden and gives him a cookie
16:57 < esden> thanks daja77 
16:57 < daja77> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/banner.gif
16:57 < daja77> :)
16:57 < esden> mnemoc: you may start uclibc target yourself >_<
16:57 < rxr> me off
16:57 < rxr> cu
16:57 < scythe_> cu
16:57 < esden> nice banner daja77 
16:57 < esden> have fun rxr 
16:58 < esden> and bon apetitt ;)
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16:58 < daja77> esden: yepp released some minutes before
16:59 < esden> I like the slogan "Install what YOU want"
17:00 < daja77> i just suggested to do it a bit slower
17:01 < scythe_> OK, so i've run Check-System, what shall i do? rtfm?
17:03 < DeElsasser> cu all
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17:11 < scythe_> so, first i create a new dir in /architecture, then i write archtest.out and get a kernel.conf...
17:12 < Freak> proof that vulcans do exist! http://www.plaind.com/contact.php3?D1=7
17:16 < mnemoc> scythe_: dont' forget preconfig.in and config.in :)
17:18 < scythe_> aaaah, what should be in the kernel.conf 
17:18 < scythe_> ?
17:18 < mnemoc> the arch specific CONFIG_*
17:19 < mnemoc> start making it exist... with preconfig
17:19 < scythe_> thx
17:20 < mnemoc> then special flavor on config.in
17:20 < mnemoc> and gcc options on gcc-options
17:21 < scythe_> i dont have Create-CopyPatch, where can i  get it (and what is it) ?
17:21 < scythe_> preconfig.in says i should use it
17:21 < mnemoc> it shall be at ./scripts/
17:22 < scythe_> yeap, i misslooked it (shame on me)
17:22 < mnemoc> you can start copying files from another arch
17:22 < mnemoc> and someday fix the copywrite
17:23 < mnemoc> that files creates a copy.patch to insert copyright on top of your files
17:23 < scythe_> i think the kernel should use som ibm patches - most of them are gpl - what do u (rockdevelopers) think of 3rd party patches?
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17:24 < mnemoc> i proposed some month ago to have architecute/*/download.txt just for allowing that
17:25 < mnemoc> can you doit without ibm patches for now?
17:25 < scythe_> i think, but we should use them later
17:25 < scythe_> ibm knows its hardware better :-)
17:26 < mnemoc> when you get more into rock i can tell you how to patch kernel and other packages from within architecture definition
17:26 < mnemoc> but if you prefer we can do it right now
17:27 < scythe_> i think it will wait me (us)
17:27 < scythe_> they just increase the reliability of the kernel
17:30 < SMP> gcc23 doesn't build (cross) for s390 for me :(
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17:30 < scythe_> i've built gcc 3.3 this morning
17:31 < scythe_> i can upload it to apollo
17:31 < SMP> not neccessary
17:31 < SMP> do you have something in architecture/s390/ yet?
17:32 < scythe_> http://oss.software.ibm.com/linux390/index.shtml - there is a howto to build cross for s390
17:32 < scythe_> yepp, but not much
17:32 < scythe_> btw - dont u use hercules
17:33 < SMP> me? no
17:34 < scythe_> start using it - makes your life easier
17:35 < scythe_> (s390 hw emulator - and it's good)
17:35 < SMP> I don't have anything to run in it yet - and I found it way complex when I tried it last time
17:36 < scythe_> it's not that complex, i'm testing the xcrossed kernels on it.
17:37 < scythe_> (i didn't test it today as i mentioned...)
17:37 < SMP> it is complex for someone not used to the architecture
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17:44 < scythe_> ok, there
17:44 < scythe_> there's a basic s390 dir in architecture, i shall start building
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17:51 * daja77 off now
17:51 < daja77> cu
17:51 < esden> cu daja77 
17:51 < daja77> cu esden :)
17:52 < scythe_> cu
17:55 < scythe_> question - does rock only build with kernel 2.4.22? cause there are only 2.4.21 patches from the ibm - which we hould use later...
17:56 < SMP> yes, you will have to downgrade to 2.4.21 again
17:57 < SMP> if you had svn you could just check out that revision - for now don't mind the linux24 package
17:57 < scythe_> not now, but maybe later...
18:00 < scythe_> y is it downloading a 2.6 kernel?
18:01 < SMP> because we support that as well
18:01 < scythe_> yey
18:01 < SMP> you should use custom package sel. and add a line 'o linux26'
18:01 < SMP> building linux26 packages is just a waste of time right now
18:02 < scythe_> true
18:02 < mnemoc> SMP: downgrade is not that simple... many needed patches for 2.4.21 were removed
18:02 < SMP> and it takes literal ages
18:02 < SMP> mnemoc: that's why we have subversion
18:02 < scythe_> where can i get to custom package sel
18:02 < mnemoc> u r right :(
18:03 < mnemoc> scythe_: Config -> Expert -> Package Selection
18:03 < scythe_> so what would the rule be? o linux26?
18:04 < mnemoc> - linux24
18:04 < mnemoc> - linux24*
18:04 < mnemoc> X linux26*
18:04 < mnemoc> the last two lines
18:04 < SMP> I use the minimal template and these lines: o linux26, x gcc33, o linux24, x linux24-src, x linux24-header
18:05 < scythe_> what's of and x? omit exclude or what
18:05 < SMP> ohh, that's legacy ;)
18:05 < mnemoc> - remove, O disable, X enable
18:06 < SMP> for x and o think of a paper form, x is checked, o is an empty checkbox
18:06 < mnemoc> * is replaced with [^ ]*
18:06 < SMP> pkgsel seems to completely undocumented
18:06 < SMP> to be
18:07 < scythe_> do i need a kernel now? or can i use - linux24* and -linux26*
18:07 < mnemoc> nope
18:07 < SMP> you need linux24-header
18:07 < scythe_> k
18:07 < mnemoc> you need linux[26]-header
18:08 < mnemoc> to build glibc
18:08 < scythe_> now make up your minds
18:08 < SMP> use linux24-header and don't listen to him ;)
18:08 < mnemoc> :(
18:08 < SMP> glibc doesn't build against 26 headers ATM
18:08 < scythe_> i prefer 24 anyway - because of 2.4.21 as i mentioned
18:10 < scythe_> k, i started the download again
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18:10 < scythe_> 5 min i'll be back
18:23 < scythe_> back. Is it possible to make choosable wihich kernel do u want to use if you selected an arch? eg: 2.4.21 with ibm or the standard 2.4.22?
18:24 < SMP> it is done that way for ppc e.g., but it is not pretty. see the linux24-benh package e.g.
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18:29 < scythe_> how much will rock download with -required?
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18:30 < holyolli> moin
18:31 < SMP> scythe_: all the packages currently listed in config/$config/packages 
18:32 < SMP> scythe_: you would probably start with the 'minimal' template
18:32 < scythe_> ok, i wait the glibc to finish then change the template
18:38 < SMP> there doesn't seem to be a damn way to disable linux24 but keep linux24-header :(
18:39 < scythe_> i use -linux24* -linux26* X linux24-header
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18:40 < SMP> doesn't work - check in config/default/packages
18:40 < SMP> if you use -linux24*, the linux24-header package will be completely removed with nothing left to enable with X
18:41 < scythe_> i'll change that too
18:42 < scythe_> you should rewrite the script :-)
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18:42 < dennis> re 
18:43 < SMP> well, it needs documentation, not a rewrite ;-(
18:43 < scythe_> nice.
18:45 < scythe_> so im going home, than we can continue after the weekend - till than the packages should be downloaded...
18:46 < SMP> alright, cu!
18:46 < scythe_> good weekend everyone, cu!
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19:34 < dennis> is huebi still alive?
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20:09 < rammi> hi
20:09 < dennis> hi rammi 
20:11 < rammi> whatz up?
20:15 < dennis> dunno
20:17 < mnemoc> mmmm
20:19 < esden> hi rammi 
20:21 < mnemoc> hi rammi... nice ident :) 1000
20:21 < mnemoc> hi esden 
20:21 < esden> hi mnemoc 
20:22 < esden> rammi: and .. do you already know when you will have your cd's?
20:22 < esden> hmm some neighbour ass is smoking without me >_<
20:24 < dennis> you smell the weed?
20:24 < esden> yes
20:24 < dennis> bad situation
20:24 < dennis> for you
20:34 < mnemoc> it's not usual that ppl that smoke can smell it :|
20:39 < esden> o_O
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20:51 < owl> moin
20:52 < dennis> hi owl 
20:52 < owl> hi dennis 
20:52 < owl> .oO(men are sleeping the whole day? O_o)
20:52 < esden> hi owl ...
20:53 < owl> hi esden 
20:53 < esden> typical owli is globalizing averything she sees ...
20:53 < owl> esden: *kick*
20:53 * owl hits esden with some books lying around *vbeg*
20:53 < esden> am I right or am I right
20:54 < owl> *cough* you aren't of course ;p
21:01 * rammi is away: I'm busy
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21:29 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux
21:29 < LocalHero> Hi all :)
21:31 < LocalHero> How do i change the anoying thing that rocklinux adds two hours to the local clock just because i chose stockholm for the time zone :(
21:38 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA925E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:43 < Ge0rG> LocalHero: add hwclock --hctosys to one of the start scripts
21:44 < tcr> moin all
21:44 < tcr> Could anyone tell me what pkg contains the file libaprutil*.so*?
21:45 < tcr> Just grep /var/adm/flists/* 
21:46 < mnemoc> we that an online version of that :(
21:48 < tcr> mnemoc: Yeah. But I need that info now..
21:48 < tcr> it's needed for svn, so I'm unable to check current sources out
21:51 -!- fake [~fake@pD950ED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:51 < fake> mornin'
21:51 < owl> moin fake 
21:53 < tcr> people, please.. just do a grep 'libapr' /var/adm/flists/*
21:55 < fake> tcr: apache
21:56 < tcr> Fuxxing.. I thought svn as client can be used without apache? Or is this some of apache's foobar libraries?
21:58 < owl> tcr: ./scripts/*-Pkg svn ? --> needs apache, too... because it wants to build the server-site-stuff, too, afaik
21:58 < fake> scripts/Emerge-Pkg
21:59 * fake Diary of Dreams - Chemicals
21:59 < tcr> owl: I think that has been made dependant on user's choice. Maybe in a later versions than -camp
22:00 < tcr> Anyway I've just used Update-Src
22:00 < owl> hmmmmmmmmm. k. don't have current version on HD,..... don't mind
22:00 < owl> .oO(god... 10 minutes to "binden the schuhe".... )
22:01 < tcr> fake: That will just install all the fucking stuff I don't wanna have, so what's your point really? ;)
22:01 < fake> tcr: i just filled in owls '...'
22:02 < fake> aeh i expanded her '*'
22:02 < tcr> ah, ok
22:02 < owl> .oO(tcr must be blind...SCNR)
22:03 < tcr> Well, it's true that I need stronger glasses
22:03 < fake> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in real TAO mode for single session.
22:03 < fake> *narf*
22:03 < fake> damn RWs
22:03 < tcr> but I'm Kurzsichtig
22:03 * fake too
22:03 < tcr> luser ;)
22:04 * fake is with luser
22:04 < owl> <-- is also short-sightened
22:05 < tcr> Not quite that ideal for an owl
22:05 < fake> she ate too few 'karotten'
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22:18 < tcr> mnemoc: here?
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22:25 < mnemoc> tcr: yeap
22:25 < tcr> mnemoc: in your mail, do you mean 'we' with why?
22:26 < tcr> I'm a bit confused ...
22:26 < mnemoc> yes :D
22:26 < mnemoc> s/- why/ - we/g
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22:27 < SMP> just for the record: I know that arch. specific patches are .diff.$arch, not .$arch.diff
22:27 < SMP> argh, s,diff,patch,g
22:29 < mnemoc> :)
22:29 < mnemoc> my point is that there are thing that you don't want to put into svn... download is better for big patches
22:30 < mnemoc> even .tar.bz2 patches in addition to .diff.bz2
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22:30 < mnemoc> .diff.$arch is good for little patches
22:31 < tcr> Not sure what that patch/issue is about anyway
22:31 < SMP> hmm, well, yeah, the linux patches are fairly large
22:32 < tcr> Will struggle with it as soon as time permits (which isn't gonna be soon)
22:33 < SMP> the rest of the patches (binutils, gcc-3.3, gdb, strace) are not
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22:36 < fake> SMP: i wanted to correct you... just once... *sniff*
22:38 < mnemoc> :)
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22:40 < daja77> re
22:41 < rammi> now i can say re daja77?
22:41 * fake looking forward to croatia
22:41 < holyolli> re daja77
22:41 < fake> hi daja!
22:41 < rammi> hi.
22:42 < rammi> :)
22:42 < daja77> rammi: yes you can
22:42 < daja77> fake!
22:42 * tcr is gonna sleep.. gn8 all
22:42 < holyolli> n8 tcr
22:42 < daja77> moin holyolli 
22:42 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA925E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all")
22:42 < daja77> bye tcr
22:42 < daja77> ts
22:42 < fake> sleep? NOW?!
22:42 < fake> must be ill...
22:42 < daja77> well he is a kid
22:42 < holyolli> fake: mittagsschlaf... ;-)
22:42 < daja77> :)
22:42 < fake> holyolli: most likely
22:43 < fake> holyolli: btw, how's piloting?
22:43 < holyolli> fake: not that much atm...theory....and that sucks.. ;)
22:43 < daja77> oh no the evil subversion guys are palnning 0.29
22:43 < daja77> planning
22:44 < holyolli> fake: we have our final and official theory exam at the beginning of january...so i can't again come to ccc because of exams :(((
22:44 < fake> holyolli: :(
22:44 < daja77> wtf
22:44 < holyolli> but i'll be there at least a day
22:45 < daja77> i mean which university does exams in january, that is sick
22:45 < holyolli> daja77: it's no university..thats the problem...
22:45 < holyolli> daja77: it's some kind of private school
22:45 < daja77> oh ic
22:46 < holyolli> and the exam is even a official one from the government..and they have them monthly..
22:46 < daja77> still sick
22:46 < holyolli> ack. 05. 'til 07. of january
22:48 < holyolli> btw. is there any 'official' way to unset variables during compile of a package?
23:03 < mnemoc> you can do that using the hooks
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23:05 < mnemoc> what do you want to unset?
23:05 < fake> var_remove ?
23:05 < fake> var_remove_before_regex is kewl ;)
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23:06 < mnemoc> i did that :)
23:06 < fake> i know *g*
23:06 < mnemoc> :P
23:06 < holyolli> for gettext, there're some vars which make the build brake with alpha
23:07 < fake> brake?
23:07 < fake> like it is slower afterwards?
23:07 < fake> *g*
23:07 < holyolli> but they are in the $confopt-var
23:07 < holyolli> fake: ;-P
23:07 < holyolli> .oO(english for runaways - englisch fuer fortgeschrittene... )
23:07 < holyolli> ;-)
23:08 < fake> var_remove variable "" "--what-you-dont-want"
23:08 < fake> or something like taht
23:08 < holyolli> hm. i try it..thx
23:08 < fake> where variable is the variable you want to modify
23:08 < mnemoc> var_remove removes a 'token' from a list
23:08 < fake> "" is the seperator char (think PATH)
23:08 < mnemoc> ':' 
23:08 < fake> exactly.
23:09 < holyolli> i c
23:09 < fake> var_append to add it again
23:09 < fake> special cases like before that but after that... with _{before,after}_regex
23:10 < fake> see source for examples ;)
23:10 < mnemoc> var_remove works with regexps
23:10 < holyolli> ok. i think that solves my prob..thx
23:11 < fake> mnemoc: really? i thought it justs splits the var into fields by the separator and then removes the one matching the last argument
23:12 < fake>         local a=${2//\/\\/}
23:12 < fake>         local b=${3//\/\\/}
23:12 < fake>         eval '[ "$'$1'" = "$3" ] && '$1'="" || true'
23:12 < fake>         eval $1'="${'$1'//$a$b$a/$2}"'
23:12 < fake>         eval $1'="${'$1'%$a$b}"'
23:12 < fake>         eval $1'="${'$1'#$b$a}"'
23:12 < fake> that's var_remove *g*
23:15 < mnemoc> then thre is  var_remove_regex or something like that ;=
23:20 < mnemoc> yep var_remove removes an specific token
23:21 < mnemoc> and var_remove_regex removes (first? all?) matches of the expression
23:23 < holyolli> args..every svn update they change the config-files that way that it doesn't work anymore on archs like alpha
23:25 < daja77> Ge0rG: everythink ok?
23:25 < Ge0rG> daja77: sure
23:26 < Ge0rG> daja77: alita wanted me to stop and so I did ;)
23:26 < Ge0rG> now I'm not able to say anything
23:26 < daja77> you are strange, man
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23:27 < fake> Ge0rG: battle angel alita?
23:28 < daja77> yeah :)
23:28 < Ge0rG> daja77: am I?
23:29 < daja77> yes sort of
23:30 < Ge0rG> I just wanted to have some fun with you all.
23:30 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:30 < daja77> ic
23:34 < Ge0rG> and now I have to be silent :]
23:36 < daja77> well i don't mind you saying sth
23:37 < Ge0rG> daja77: but the server does
23:38 < daja77> yeah you did great work
23:38 < Ge0rG> yes. wanted to be really sure
23:42 < fake> what's going on?
23:43 < daja77> Ge0rG banned himself from a chan
23:45 < fake> oh, i see
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23:48 < Mike1> hello
23:49 < daja77> hi Mike1 
23:49 < Mike1> hi daja77
23:55 < rammi> mike.. nice IP :)
23:58 < Mike1> rammi: what's the big deal about it?
23:58 * fake pulling new photos
23:58 < Mike1> hi fake
23:58 < fake> hi Mike!
23:58 < holyolli> Mike1!!!!
23:58 < rxr> re
23:58 < rxr> hi Mike1 
23:58 < fake> hi rene
23:58 < holyolli> Mike1: como estas?
23:58 < rammi> nothing.. only. i didnt seen any IP like yours.. 
23:58 < Mike1> alcoholy!!! bien y tu?
23:59 < Mike1> hi rxr
23:59 < holyolli> Mike1: muy bien...esta fin de semana ;-)
23:59 < Mike1> rammi: well i try to keep my self original :)
23:59 < Mike1> holyolli: how is theory doing?
23:59 < holyolli> Mike1: boooooring ;-)
23:59 < holyolli> Mike1: but it's oaky
23:59 < rammi> nice.. nice .. :)
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