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--- Log opened Sat Sep 06 00:00:02 2003 --- Day changed Sat Sep 06 2003 00:00 < holyolli> okay even 00:00 < holyolli> Mike1: and what is .cr doing...? ;-) 00:00 < Mike1> holyolli: i've been flying 2 hours everyday this week, will do 4 tomorrow, envy me :) 00:01 < holyolli> Mike1: cool! what airplane? 00:01 < Mike1> holyolli: regarding .cr .. well the weather is crazy, hot as hell during the mourning, afternoons with storms, nights quite cold 00:01 < holyolli> Mike1: do you also have trouble with tropical storms there? 00:02 < fake> rock linux ueber deutschland! 00:02 < Mike1> holyolli: Cesna Grand Caravans :) 00:02 < fake> ;-) 00:02 < holyolli> fake: *fg* 00:02 < holyolli> Mike1: wow...! 00:03 < Mike1> holyolli: dunno, things are just crazy here 00:03 < fake> oh, it's saturday 00:03 < Mike1> holyolli: i am doing some "practices" for a charters company here, i might work for them on weekends... 00:03 < daja77> fake: yeah, weekend 00:04 < holyolli> Mike1: how many horses does the caravan have? 00:05 < holyolli> Mike1: that sounds fine! 00:05 * fake has a nice photo of owl 00:06 < holyolli> fake: url...? ;-) 00:07 < fake> holyolli: be patient. i'm uploading a bunch of high-res pics... 00:08 * fake cleaning up and preparing laptop for 4 days of disconnection... 00:09 < holyolli> fake: how do you want to survive 4 days without inet...? 00:09 < Mike1> holyolli: look: https://www.aerofiles.com/ces-208b.jpg 00:09 < holyolli> .oO(calling with a normal phone on modem lines just to hear the sound of dataflow ;-) 00:09 < holyolli> *rrrrrr* 00:09 < holyolli> ;-) 00:10 < fake> holyolli: no, no *lol*... there are internet cafes there. i just doubt i'll be able to hook up my notebook 00:10 < fake> and i've got some work to finish 00:10 < holyolli> Mike1: it it a turbo-/supercharged enine? 00:10 < Mike1> ack. 00:10 < Mike1> 675hp 00:11 < holyolli> l33t. extremly... 00:11 < holyolli> <-- getting more and more envy ;-) 00:12 < Mike1> holyolli: well if i get this weekend "job" i we will find a way to have you fly one when you come over 00:12 < holyolli> Mike1: that would be really fantastic 00:12 < Mike1> indeed :) 00:14 < holyolli> Mike1: was the airplane HP-1402APP? 00:17 < Mike1> not that specific baby, but same kind and same airline 00:17 < Mike1> and same airport.. :) 00:18 < holyolli> Mike1: https://www.airliners.net/open.file/095603/M/ 00:18 < holyolli> ;-) 00:18 < Mike1> yeah :) 00:19 < Mike1> that baby falled last year ... 00:20 < holyolli> oh 00:20 < Mike1> yeah both pilots dead.. 00:20 < Mike1> anyways let talk about something else. 00:21 < holyolli> yea 00:21 < holyolli> <-- is trying to compile a little bit again... 00:22 < Mike1> actually i think we are _REALLY_ off topic :) 00:22 < holyolli> hehe 00:22 < fake> A trunk/package/sirkull/shorewall 00:22 < Mike1> wow, do you actually remeber how to track bugs or compile errors? 00:22 < fake> Segmentation fault (core dumped) 00:22 < fake> oh, i love svn 00:22 < holyolli> Mike1: ;-P 00:23 < Mike1> holyolli: i mean .. its been quite a while 00:23 * Mike1 imagines holyolli typing with 2 fingers 00:23 < holyolli> Mike1: /* no comment */ 00:23 < holyolli> ;-) 00:23 < Mike1> hahaha 00:24 < daja77> fake & sun a strange thought 00:24 < holyolli> Mike1: during my stay in the us i also did some administrative stuff, but not that much 00:24 < Mike1> :)) 00:25 * Mike1 wonders if holyolli used M$ Flight Simulator while he was on the states .. 00:25 < fake> daja77: sun? why? they produce great servers... 00:25 < Mike1> fake: full ack. 00:25 < holyolli> Mike1: jepp. we did. we practised our ifr approaches 00:25 < daja77> well i thought of that big yellow ball 00:25 < fake> the evil daystar? 00:25 < daja77> yepp 00:25 < Mike1> holyolli: omg :) 00:25 < holyolli> hehe 00:25 < daja77> no ms flight simulator, flightgear :) 00:26 < fake> i hide from it in caves like a real jedi... eh... geek ;) 00:26 < daja77> *gg* i know 00:26 < fake> daja77: croatia will be a night-activities-only holiday, of course ;) 00:26 < daja77> but you belong to the dark side 00:27 < daja77> hehe, you in croatia 00:27 < fake> daja77: although the light side is very.. tempting... 00:27 < daja77> :) 00:28 * daja77 likes tesby.mov 00:28 < daja77> the way he pronounces dark side, is great 00:30 < fake> go out, do some shopping - I'M your master now! *rofl* 00:30 < daja77> hehe yeah 00:30 < daja77> you forgit the : wet your pants 00:30 < daja77> forgot 00:32 < fake> uploads.. take ages... lalala... *twiddlingthumbs* 00:32 < daja77> upload, you upload what? 00:33 < fake> pics 00:33 < daja77> oh thought the movie 00:33 < fake> i borrowed my mom's new ultra-leet digicam while she's on vacation 00:34 < daja77> hehe 00:35 * A-Tui is away: Pelos Largos, Caras Enfermas 00:35 < daja77> hi A-Tui 00:35 < daja77> :) 00:35 < daja77> xchat spotted 00:35 < daja77> :) 00:36 < daja77> btw fake's quitr message was funny today 00:37 < fake> what was it? 00:37 < daja77> ok i am off to bed now 00:37 < A-Tui> hola daja77 00:37 < A-Tui> buenas noches :) 00:37 < daja77> fake: a friend with weed is a friend indeed 00:37 < fake> daja77: ah, i noticed that, too .. hehe ;) 00:37 < daja77> :) 00:37 < fake> daja77: it's from bitchx... 00:38 < daja77> i know, the first bitchx quit message i like 00:38 < holyolli> n8 00:38 < holyolli> buenas noches 00:38 < holyolli> got natt 00:38 < holyolli> whatever...cu tomorrow ;-) 00:38 < daja77> yepp n8 00:38 < fake> holyolli: gn8! 00:38 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("User abortion with 5 coathooks") 00:39 < daja77> lol 00:39 < daja77> ok off now 00:39 * fake making some more coffee -- still not really awake... 00:39 < fake> daja77: owl's pic is almost ready 00:40 < fake> daja77: 5 more minutes? 00:40 < daja77> *grml* 00:40 * daja77 waits 00:43 < fake> ok, upload finished 00:43 < fake> now i'll kick off thumbnail and index generation... 00:45 < daja77> :) 00:50 < fake> mys workspace 3 years ago: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/other/IDE.JPG 00:50 < fake> 2 years ago: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/other/32-snapshot.jpg 00:50 < fake> and today: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/other/imgp0024.jpg 00:51 < daja77> hehe is this your mum at the pc 00:51 < fake> what? 00:52 < fake> aeh... no... *g* 00:52 < daja77> the second 00:52 < daja77> a rocklinux poster, cool 00:52 < fake> and here's owl: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/friends/owl.jpg 00:53 < daja77> what game are you playing at the right monitor 00:53 < fake> and eye-toy is a _lot_ of fun: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/parties/eye-toy/ 00:54 < fake> daja77: that is "Blursk", a cool output vis plugin for xmms 00:54 < daja77> hehe 00:55 < fake> my co-workers are all psychos: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/work/alz-tour/RIMG0023.jpg 00:55 < daja77> ah in train, .oO picture flood 00:57 < daja77> O_o, owl smiling 00:57 < fake> and here they _almost_ got me: https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/hacking/cccamp-2003/d0010192.jpg 00:58 < daja77> *hmpf* my conn is so lame, ineed the whole night to see them all 00:59 -!- christ|an [~christian@pD9530AD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 00:59 < fake> daja77: there are a few, yes... https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/ ... 01:00 < daja77> hehehe 01:00 < rammi> https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/work/alz-tour/RIMG0023.jpg :) 01:01 < fake> rammi: he actually almost sank - he can't swim 01:01 * daja77 likes to tour with fake again :) 01:01 < rammi> hehe 01:02 < fake> daja77: just without 'collateral damage' next time *g* 01:02 < daja77> hehe, yepp no sleepy me behind the wheel 01:02 < fake> neither me 01:03 * daja77 has more luck than he deserves 01:05 < fake> don't say stuff like that 01:05 < daja77> fake: https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/lospalmos.jpg 01:05 < fake> i'm damn glad i din't cause more trouble 01:05 < daja77> it is true, but indeed we don't have to discuss that 01:06 < fake> is that in chemnitz? 01:06 < daja77> lol, no 01:06 < fake> ;) 01:06 < daja77> cote d'azur, march 2002 01:06 < daja77> i liked that tree :) 01:06 < fake> why? 01:07 < daja77> it looks nice, and btw the ocean was just a few meters away 01:07 < daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/meer.jpg 01:07 < daja77> :) 01:07 < esden> ahh an image of a fake !!!! : https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/work/from_pe_man/P1010049.JPG 01:07 < esden> WEEE 01:08 < daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/daja-fighting.jpg 01:09 < esden> and another one https://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/work/from_pe_man/P1010048.JPG ... what is going on??? 01:09 < daja77> :) 01:10 < fake> esden: that's not me. 01:10 < daja77> esden needs a shave 01:11 < esden> o_O 01:11 < fake> daja77: the sea would look even more comfortable in the night with a moon above it ;) 01:11 < esden> I have drunk too much then 01:11 < daja77> ic 01:12 * fake still cleaning up home dir... 01:12 * -> esden really get's the feeling that rene is scared of applying his dietlibc patches ;) 01:12 < fake> boy, that's like cleaning up the attic 01:13 < daja77> hehe 01:13 < daja77> rm -rf ... 01:13 < rxr> esden: why? 01:13 < rxr> I just do the cleanup before I tag a -rc1+fixes for the PowerPC release 01:14 < rxr> and of course I want a ISO where the kernel is included 01:14 < esden> rxr: hehe ... you are always listening ... right? 01:14 < esden> rxr: only for your information I have another 4 patches laying around here ;) 01:14 < daja77> esden needs to be watched ... 01:15 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-248.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:15 < esden> daja77: /me .. noooooo I am always acting friendly and nice ... so I do not have to be watched 01:15 < daja77> rofl 01:15 * fake sets mode +constant observation for esden 01:15 < rxr> esden: nope not always and I re'ed half an hour ago ... 01:16 < esden> fake: stop it ... it hurts!!! 01:17 < esden> rxr: ok 01:17 < daja77> fake: let is this way 01:17 < daja77> it 01:18 < daja77> :) 01:18 < rxr> esden: ,) 01:18 < fake> esden: you act like golomb with the elvish string attachted to his throat 01:18 < rxr> esden: btw the chinese food was nice and herry potter, well sort of 01:19 < esden> rxr: GRRR ... you only want to tease me :((((( 01:19 < fake> rxr: let's invite apocalyptica to the 2.0 release party 01:19 < daja77> lol, /me remembering that one harry potter rant on asr 01:19 < daja77> yeah 01:19 < esden> fake: GOOOOOOD IDEA!!! 01:20 < esden> fake: you may take care of that 01:20 < fake> esden: okay, i take care of it, you pay 01:21 < fake> that's nice. 01:21 * daja77 quotes from his mind: every other child would be punished for his stupid behaviour but harry gets milk and cookies instead 01:21 < rxr> esden: I'm optimistic we can repeat it the next weekend? 01:21 < rxr> fake: yes - nice idea! 01:22 < fake> unfortunately my finish is not the best 01:23 < esden> fake: I have no money ... make them come and play for free 01:23 < esden> fake: it could be a charity concert for poor rock developers ;) 01:23 < Mike1> cu 01:24 -!- Mike1 [~mike@200.9.45.19] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 01:24 < esden> rxr: hmm ... ask miss schulze ... I am then on her ground and such decisions are not on my side ;) 01:24 < esden> but why not 01:25 < daja77> https://groups.google.com/groups?group:alt.sysadmin.recovery&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=slrnb726ns.k0s.abigail%40alexandra.abigail.nl&rnum=1 01:26 < daja77> :) 01:27 < esden> daja77: that is a hell long url ;) 01:27 < daja77> yeah, sorry 01:27 < daja77> blame google 01:27 < esden> daja77: realize it finally ... you suck *VBEG* 01:28 < fake> hey 01:28 < fake> I'M the sucker here! 01:28 < rammi> god night.. cu 01:28 -!- nisma [~nisma@host22-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 01:28 < daja77> as i said, he needs observation 01:28 < fake> cu rammi! 01:28 < daja77> cu rammi 01:28 < esden> fake: forget it ... daja77 has run out your sucker position 01:28 < esden> cu rammi 01:28 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.169] has quit ("Client exiting") 01:28 < daja77> esden sucks, cos he can't handle long urls 01:28 < fake> esden: i doubt it 01:29 < fake> my suckerness is trained since years 01:29 < esden> fake: you have to proof it 01:29 < daja77> hehe 01:29 * daja77 sucking esden's mails 01:29 < esden> yuck 01:30 < rxr> fake: would you like to test the update of xmms an whether to remove your alsa-xmms package in that case? 01:30 < esden> *puke* 01:30 < esden> daja77: stop it 01:30 < fake> the fact that i can't proove it, but insist on telling the truth, is a proove for itself 01:30 < daja77> I read your email, muhahahaha 01:30 * daja77 now sucking his thumb, in bed 01:30 < fake> rxr: i would, but unfortunately i'm just getting ready to leave for vacation - but if the update obsoletes alsa-xmms, i'd even be happy 01:31 < esden> daja77: have fun 01:31 < esden> fake: how long will you be away and where? 01:31 < Ge0rG> bye daja 01:31 < fake> daja77: sleep well! see you on tuesday or so 01:31 * daja77 kicks esden 01:31 < esden> cu daja77 01:31 < esden> sleep well 01:31 < fake> esden: til tuesday evening, croatia 01:31 < daja77> cu all 01:31 < esden> ohh cool with nos? 01:32 < fake> esden: nos, holli, drachi and fritzi 01:32 < daja77> bye Ge0rG, hope to see you back soon :) 01:32 < esden> greet them all from me 01:32 < fake> esden: in other words: it's going to be chaotic 01:32 < Ge0rG> daja77: if I can circumvent the ban ;) 01:32 < daja77> :) 01:32 < esden> and hug the apriopriato ones ;) 01:32 < fake> esden: i will not hug anyone 01:32 < esden> apriopriate 01:33 < fake> aproproate 01:33 < fake> argh! 01:33 < fake> appropriate 01:33 < esden> erm ... at least virtually/verbally 01:33 < Ge0rG> go to the congress and get FREE HUGS[tm] :) 01:33 < esden> or so 01:33 < daja77> hugs, that haskell interpreter 01:33 * fake will beat up anyone who tries to hug him 01:33 < fake> (except nice, beautiful hot bitches) 01:34 < esden> fake: you know what I mean 01:34 < fake> esden: sure. i'll greet them ;) 01:34 < Ge0rG> nice bitches... thats like... intelligent managers 01:34 < esden> good 01:34 < esden> Ge0rG: ROFL 01:34 < fake> Ge0rG: ack. but one has to keep an open mind ... 01:35 * fake finally making coffee 01:35 < esden> little bi is never wrong fake ... right? ;) 01:36 < esden> ok I go to bed ... I have to climb up a hill tomorrow 01:36 < esden> cu on sunday evening or so ... 01:36 < esden> or even monday ... who knows 01:36 < esden> cu guys 01:39 < fake> cya esden! 01:39 * fake translocation 01:39 -!- nisma [~nisma@host22-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:41 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-100.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 01:44 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-004.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:46 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 01:46 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-248.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:58 * fake off 01:58 < fake> cu 01:58 -!- fake [~fake@pD950ED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("BitchX: causing all sorts of havok!") 02:04 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-150.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:16 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has 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far too much investigation vnc now continues to build on ppc 02:54 < rxr> Nebukadneza: you polute the channel - please stop this! 02:58 < rxr> how can humans produce crap like this Imake* fluff ... 03:01 < rxr> next try: make World 03:01 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-059.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:01 < rxr> Nebukadneza: you polute the channel - please stop this! 03:02 < rxr> Nebukadneza2: with you continous comming and foing ... 03:04 < mnemoc> and with that loooong nick :\ 03:06 < rxr> hi mnemoc 03:07 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-243.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:08 < mnemoc> hi rxr 03:29 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-124.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:32 -!- _spectre_ is now known as spec|hacke 03:32 < spec|hacke> n8 03:37 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-059.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Connection timed out) 03:38 * rxr pushing the load on the rs6k higher and higher ... 03:51 < owl> .oO(everbody already sleeping?) 04:00 < rxr> nope 04:01 < owl> O_o still working rxr ? 04:03 < rxr> sure 04:03 < owl> uff. 04:04 < mnemoc> rxr loves to see the sunsets :) 04:04 < owl> hehe. hi mnemoc 04:04 < mnemoc> hi happyowl 04:05 < owl> mnemoc: 04:05 < owl> *kick* 04:06 < rxr> mnemoc: .-) 04:06 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB76D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:07 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,264534,00.html < muhahahahahahahahaha!!! 04:10 < owl> https://cgi6.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3044394492 << omfg! 04:11 < owl> .oO(/me should provide a new folder for linux-system... *cough* *cough* *cough*) 04:12 < Freak> :) 04:12 < Freak> we could start selling cds with "new folder"s! 04:13 < spec|hacke> *löl* 04:13 < owl> yes. what about "new folder{0-1000}" wouldn't be that the ultimate idea= 04:14 < owl> wow, guys - i really will set up an account on ebay... and create a "unamed folder" for linux *rotfl* 04:15 < spec|hacke> for i < 1000 ; do mkdir new_folda$i ; $((i=i+1)) ; done 04:15 < owl> might someone will be as richt as bill gates one time... 04:15 < spec|hacke> =) 04:15 < owl> muha. yes :p 04:16 < spec|hacke> I am a linarian :-) 04:17 < owl> linarian? 04:18 < spec|hacke> try /opt/f 04:18 < spec|hacke> try /opt/games/freedroidRPG :) 04:19 < owl> <-- doesn't use rocklinux 04:19 < spec|hacke> why ? 04:19 < owl> because - aehm - i don't use it. 04:19 < owl> <-- using LFS 04:19 < spec|hacke> uuuuhhhohhhh ;)) 04:20 < owl> why? 04:21 < spec|hacke> I'm thinking about reading the LFS guide - should be an okay linux overview 04:21 < owl> yeah... 04:22 < spec|hacke> then again - I'd have to read .) 04:23 < owl> hehe 04:23 < owl> <-- has to sleep now... sports in the morning (15 o'clock --> not good if i'm tired then *cough*) gn8 04:24 < spec|hacke> yeah, morning tim, *G* 04:24 < spec|hacke> n8 owl 04:36 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-124.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection 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It has been running mixed with some SSE stuff that the crusoe does not execute(including alsa progs). 12:52 < cchamilt> I just worry I blew the amp, but like I said it seems to be a digital issue. 12:57 * cchamilt Thinks it may be a 'content' size issue in the D/A and wonders if my laptop is crap. 13:08 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-098.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:08 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-098.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:12 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-098.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 13:14 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E296.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:14 < jsaw> re 13:15 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-098.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.139.23.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:26 < rxr> re, too 13:26 < jsaw> hi rxr 13:26 < SMP> hi .. 13:27 < jsaw> hell SMP 13:27 < jsaw> haha, s/hell/hello/ 13:29 * jsaw has a cold, so, don't pay too much attention to him 13:30 < owl> <-- off 13:30 < owl> going to die. bye 13:33 < holyolli> cu owl 13:34 < cytrinox> moin 13:35 < holyolli> hi cytrinox 16:06 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #RockLinux 16:07 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Client Quit) 16:36 < mnemoc> re 16:44 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-079-051.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:54 < daja77> re 16:54 < daja77> who is this guy who connects from mike's machine 17:02 < holyolli> no idea...hi daja btw. ;-) 17:03 < daja77> huhu holyolli 17:06 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-098.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 17:13 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7B04B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:14 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:16 -!- n00kie is now known as nookie 17:16 -!- nookie is now known as n00kie 17:16 -!- Nebukadneza2 is now known as Nebu^saikano 17:19 -!- n00kie is now known as nookie 17:23 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-36.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: Its not TV. Its X-Chat.") 17:26 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7B04B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("bye bye") 17:32 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.139.23.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:47 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.47.107.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:53 < esden> re hi folks 17:55 < daja77> huhu esden 17:56 < esden> that was nice ... nature hills ... very nice ;) 17:57 < esden> now I am back for some moments ;) 17:57 * daja77 is off in some minutes 18:03 < daja77> cu later 18:03 < mnemoc> cu daja77 18:03 < mnemoc> rxr: ping? 18:10 < mnemoc> if python currently includes xml, should i remove binding from libxml2 or from python? 18:10 < esden> binding? 18:10 < esden> what you mean? 18:11 < mnemoc> xmllib.pyc is create by python 18:11 < mnemoc> and by libxml2 18:11 < mnemoc> i think libxml2 adds xml support to python creating a 'bind' 18:13 < mnemoc> am i too lost? 18:14 < esden> mnemoc: remove it from python 18:15 < mnemoc> all of them? (see query) 18:15 < esden> ack 18:20 < mnemoc> damn... it includes expat too 18:23 < mnemoc> Usage of a system shared libexpat.so/expat.dll is not advised. 18:23 < mnemoc> hate ppl that reinvent the wheel 18:27 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M290P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:34 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M315P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:49 < mnemoc> aaaargh... python2.3 seems to 'take ownership' of every related file... bittorrent, gnuplot, wxpython, libxml2, etc.... 18:59 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a0a.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:00 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a0a.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:19 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a0a.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:26 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M290P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 19:29 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M290P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:36 -!- nisma [~nisma@host22-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 19:37 -!- nisma [~nisma@host22-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit ("Leaving") 19:38 < mnemoc> esden? 19:39 < mnemoc> if i build libxml fisrt, python doesn't build it's own :) 19:39 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9119.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:39 < mnemoc> wb tcr 19:40 < tcr> moin all 19:48 -!- Nebu^saikano is now known as Nebukadneza 19:54 < esden> lool I have an Erkan und Stefan version of Asterix and Obelix in America ... *rofl* 19:55 -!- christian_ [~christian@p50839DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:03 < esden> ok ... cu all 20:03 < mnemoc> cu esden 20:09 < SMP> ahh, mnemoc 20:09 < SMP> mnemoc: you seem to be working on Python 2.3 as well? 20:11 < mnemoc> yep 20:11 < mnemoc> if you build python after libxml2 they don't share files :) 20:11 -!- christ|an [~christian@pD9530AD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:11 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E89C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:12 -!- dennis_ [~dennis@pD950E89C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:12 < dennis_> re all 20:12 < mnemoc> i'm hating this python, but we need to addapt to new versions :( 20:12 < SMP> I thought I had a complete patch ready - didn't test a whole build though, so Python found libxml2 in the installed system 20:12 < mnemoc> re dennis_ 20:13 < tcr> Ah star trek IV today! Best star trek movie ever! 20:13 < SMP> mnemoc: what other fixes did you need? 20:14 < mnemoc> i did a generic with stack+gcc33+py23 but i got 153 errors on stage 5 so i'll have to split tests :( 20:15 < mnemoc> my only patch related with py is libxml2 before... 20:15 < SMP> apart from the (crude) rpm and xchat things that I already sent you I disabled python bindings for paragui with Rene's consent 20:15 < SMP> ok, libxml2 build order 20:15 < SMP> that should basically be it 20:16 < SMP> no, wait, I'm babbling ;-( 20:16 < SMP> of course I did a complete build (geesh, I'm running it on the laptop after all) - but I didn't get that libxml2 problem 20:17 < mnemoc> see query 20:18 < dennis_> hi mnemoc 20:19 < SMP> someone knows how to introduce an artificial dependency? 20:20 < mnemoc> add_dependency or something like that 20:21 < SMP> ohh yeah, it's in scripts/functions 20:25 < mnemoc> https://www.msdsite.com/ebay/87-1/boot.jpg <---- ;') 20:29 -!- dennis_ [~dennis@pD950E89C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") 20:31 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9119.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.") 20:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9119.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 < tcr> Hmmpf.. I get "[...] Package [...] does not exist." message when running Emerge-Pkg 20:39 < tcr> However, I can't find any file when grepping for 'Package .* does not exist' 20:44 < SMP> $ grep -n exist scripts/* 20:44 < SMP> scripts/Build-Pkg:280: echo_pkg_deny $stagelevel $pkg "does not exist" ; exit 1 20:45 < tcr> Oh 20:45 < SMP> no problem, everyone's making himself a fool here once today ;) 20:48 * tcr got to restart 20:48 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9119.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.") 20:49 -!- martman [~martman3@syr-24-59-91-80.twcny.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:49 < martman> hi guys 20:50 < martman> is there any update system for rock linux? what kind of packages are used? 20:51 < martman> anyone alive here? 20:51 < mnemoc> what are you runing? exactly 20:52 < SMP> our package format is a custom one called GEM 20:52 < SMP> what exactly do you mean by 'update system'? 20:53 < martman> a program that will get newer packages 20:53 < martman> whats GEM like? rpms? ebuilds? normal tarballs? 20:53 < SMP> we have a scripts/Update-System, that checks for new versions of already installed packages and does a rebuild from source for them 20:54 < martman> so it will download the updates? 20:54 < SMP> a system called rocket that works like apt-get is planned 20:54 < mnemoc> you have to update your source 20:54 < mnemoc> then check your system 20:54 < mnemoc> and then update it 20:54 < mnemoc> cd /usr/src/rock-src 20:54 < SMP> GEMs are like RPM, but they don't suck 20:55 < martman> lol, nice way for putting it :)_ 20:55 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Update-src 20:55 < martman> so how far off is rocket? soon? usable now? 20:55 < SMP> it's vaporware right now, no ETA 20:56 < martman> hmmm, thats alittle disappointing. hunting for new versions isnt fun for me 20:56 < mnemoc> the scritps do it for you 20:56 < mnemoc> go to /usr/src/rock-src 20:56 < mnemoc> run ./scripts/Update-src 20:57 < SMP> you need to understand that distributing binay packages is not generally useful for rock 20:57 < SMP> martman: have you ever worked with BSD? 20:57 < martman> yeah, id like to make my own 20:57 < martman> i just want it to grab the source for me 20:57 < martman> <--lazzy 20:57 < mnemoc> if you do your own, who proves you the proper updates? yourself 20:57 < SMP> that's what the scripts currently can do 20:57 < martman> i used to use netbsd a while ago. is it like ports? 20:58 < SMP> exactly, very much like ports 20:58 < martman> i ment it download the new source tar ball for X and then i set some compile flags and have it compiled 20:58 < SMP> but it works for all packages, incl. base system 20:58 < martman> yeah, i know. just a example 20:59 < martman> X has alot of little things 20:59 < martman> so whats rocket for? 20:59 < SMP> distribution of binary packages 21:00 -!- Ge0rG_ [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:00 < SMP> as I mentioned - like apt-get 21:00 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:00 < martman> o, ok. how flexible are the scripts? id like to have my desktop download the updates and compile it a couple times for different machines, will this be easy to pull off? 21:00 < martman> is there some kind of master database i could add stuff into? 21:01 < mnemoc> rtfm :( 21:01 < SMP> what do you mean with 'master database'? 21:01 < martman> i mean can my desktop know whats install on my laptop? 21:01 -!- Ge0rG_ is now known as Ge0rG 21:01 < SMP> no 21:01 < martman> so it can download all the programs and compile it itself 21:02 < martman> hmmmm, i guess this will be tricky then 21:02 < SMP> the scripts work only in the context of the current machine 21:03 < martman> can i download the GEM and compile it and keep it around? 21:03 < SMP> how would you build a package for your laptop if your desktop has a different version of a package or just not installed? 21:03 < martman> so the GEM only has to be installed? 21:03 < martman> they would have the same versions. my desktop would get the newest version and compile once for p4 and once for p3 21:04 < SMP> yes, GEMs are binary packages that you can create even from your running system and distrubute and install, update, remove, reinstall to your heart's wishes 21:04 < mnemoc> standard rock scripts are for the.. build distributions to install them elsewhere.... ./Update-System is a feature to update local system 21:05 < SMP> well, you can build a package for p3 on your p4 system, but what if it statically links a library - it'll use the local p4 code which will end up in your p3 package 21:06 < martman> hmmm, never thought of that 21:07 < martman> if my desktop is the shhd server and my laptop logs on there the desktop would do the crunching right? i could chroot from my desktop to my laptop? 21:07 < martman> so the lib problems wont be there? 21:08 < SMP> is your laptop really that slow? building over NFS will be dog slow ... 21:10 < martman> why would it be slow? how would NFS make it slow? my desktop would do the compiling right? it would only have to check the libs right? 21:11 < martman> couldnt the temp files be placed on my desktop so there no real network talk after the start? 21:12 < SMP> no, your desktop would use all executables (shell, compiler, etc.) from your laptop 21:12 < SMP> temp files can be kept on local hd, though 21:13 < martman> is there anything i can do about chanign that? so the desktops gcc gets used? 21:13 < SMP> if you chroot there's nothing to use but the ones from the laptop, right ... 21:14 < SMP> the correct solution would be to treat this as a cross build 21:14 < martman> ok, how would i go about that? 21:14 < SMP> but we support that only for very few packages at the moment 21:14 < martman> would that let me make updates for a couple machines in a fairly automated way? 21:14 < SMP> basically just the toolchain 21:15 < martman> rock will only support a base system or is that just now? 21:15 < SMP> I was talking about cross building 21:15 < martman> only a couple can be cross compiled? why? 21:16 < SMP> because it's difficult, to say the least 21:17 < martman> what makes it hard? 21:17 < SMP> do you even know what you are talking about? 21:18 < martman> compiling on one arch for another? diff gcc options? 21:20 -!- Nebukadneza is now known as Nebu^saikano 21:20 < martman> SMP ??? 21:21 < SMP> just using a cross compiler on some C files isn't hard 21:21 < SMP> but remember that a) you can't actually _use_ any of the programs you just built, because they are for another arhc 21:22 < martman> yeah, i know. the p3 will be used on my p3 laptop 21:23 < SMP> and b) you have to make sure that anything that might be archtitecture-dependent must be cross built - think of python modules e.g. 21:23 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #RockLinux 21:23 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Client Quit) 21:24 < martman> thats why id like to do it on my laptop but have my desktop do the crunching 21:24 < martman> can that be done? 21:26 < SMP> simple solution would be to keep a complete tree of what's supposed to run on the laptop locally on the desktop and chroot into it to build a package, then distribute it as binary to the laptop 21:27 < martman> i was hoping you woulndt say that 21:30 < martman> what about distgcc? 21:32 < SMP> we support distributed builds, but in a different way 21:32 < martman> how? 21:33 < SMP> packages build only on one node, but you can have a number of nodes to build packages in parallell 21:35 < SMP> we have a sofisticated system of build dependencies to make sure that a package is scheduled only when all it dependencies have finished building 21:35 < martman> well, with distgcc you can pick which ones can compile. do you have that? 21:35 < SMP> I don't undestand your question 21:36 < martman> id like compile on my laptop using my desktop copy for speed. with distgcc i can set them all up to compile. but in the config file i can have my laptop see my desktop but not compile itself 21:36 < martman> some im have 2 but one is disbled 21:37 < SMP> I don't know how distcc works, but does that not involve sharing a filesystem with e.g. NFS, too? 21:38 < martman> im not sure, i dont think so. alot of people use it to build Gentoo, i doubt they would do it with NFS speed. 21:38 < martman> can rock do what i want? 21:39 < SMP> well, you could hack that into the compiler wrapper 21:40 < martman> distcc is a option in make.conf 21:40 < martman> so it does that one its own 21:40 < martman> well, you add it to make.conf 21:41 < SMP> make.conf is Gentoo-specific 21:41 < martman> really? i thought i saw one in my rh install... 21:41 < martman> make.profile maybe? 21:41 -!- cbq [~festux@178.Red-81-36-169.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:42 -!- cbq [~festux@178.Red-81-36-169.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #rocklinux () 21:42 < SMP> and doesn't make much sense on rock, since the rock build system is not built around make 21:42 < SMP> unlike Gentoo's 21:42 < martman> so rock isnt source? 21:43 < SMP> no, all that compiling is just fake 21:43 < martman> wha??? 21:45 < martman> compiling fake? 21:45 < SMP> come on - how would the usage of make as the infrastructure of ones build system be crucial for being a 'source distribution' 21:46 < SMP> which rock is not anyway - it's a distribution build kit, that's a bit different, but can be make do look like a 'source distribution' 21:47 < martman> well, for it to be a source base distro wouldnt it have to USE THE SOURCE TARBALL SOMEHOW? 21:47 < martman> so what does it use instead of a makefile? why would you switch to it? 21:48 < SMP> you're mixing things up 21:48 < SMP> (and you are also pissing me off) 21:48 < martman> um, how(with both)? 21:49 < SMP> Gentoo uses make to run commands that fiddle with source tarballs, ROCK uses shell scripts for that purpose, so logically there is no 'make.conf' 21:50 < martman> whats the shell scripts? why the change? it just seems liek it making it harder than it has to be 21:50 < SMP> if these source tarballs then use make or perl or ant or whatever to get their job done has nothing to with what the build system uses 21:50 < martman> Gentoo downloads all the deps and builds them first 21:50 < martman> there arent proballys 21:51 < SMP> there aren't what? 21:51 < martman> besides from some peopel problems portage is almost perfect 21:51 < martman> there arent problems, sorry about typos.... 21:52 < SMP> I don't know if portage has problems or people have problems with portage - and I don't even care 21:52 < martman> meh, i just said gentoos way doesnt have problems. why did you change? what are the advantages? does it mean much at all? 21:53 < mnemoc> if you want to install 3 identically customed machines, how many times do you want to build it? 21:54 < martman> there not identical in anyway. some just shares some programs 21:54 < SMP> you have to understand to differenciate between infrastructure (what files to download, how to download, determine the order of packages to be built) and what the packages themselves do 21:55 < mnemoc> if you want to install linux in a old pentium, do you want to build it on the old pentium on in your 'groove' p4-2ghz? 21:55 < SMP> and we didn't 'change' anything - make is one way of doing things, shell is another 21:55 < SMP> it can be discussed which one is surperior, but that's pretty much moot 21:55 < martman> why did you switch from makefiles. what does the scripts let you that make doesnt? 21:56 < martman> there must be some reason for the switch 21:56 < SMP> WE DIDN'T SWITCH FROM make DAMNIT 21:56 < esden> re hi all 21:56 < mnemoc> rock IS NOT A BRANCH of gentoo 21:56 < martman> yeah, i got that awhile ago......what do the scripts do? 21:56 < martman> thats were the flags go? 21:57 < martman> so that passes extra optios to autoconfigure? 21:58 < mnemoc> rock can build almost every package in freshmeat just knowing the download location 21:58 < mnemoc> transparently 21:58 < martman> ok, great. 21:58 < SMP> the scripts let you configure your build ('set flags', but more powerful), download sources and do the build (unpack, run configure, make, make install, whatever) 21:58 < martman> what makes it 'more powerfull', more options? 21:58 < mnemoc> it's like a 'framework' 21:59 < mnemoc> centralization, speed, cleanness 22:00 < SMP> not just flags - things like which compiler(s) to use, what packages to build 22:00 < martman> so do these scrips play nicely with distgcc? something else in mind? 22:00 < mnemoc> we don't use distgcc 22:00 < SMP> they know nothing about distcc 22:01 < mnemoc> distcc :) 22:01 < martman> o, sorry.... 22:01 < martman> i knew it looked alittle funny 22:01 < mnemoc> you don't win much splitting the build of one package 22:01 < martman> i know, im trying to get my desktop to do all the compile for my laptop but have the laptops envirnoment for libs 22:01 < mnemoc> you win building not-dependet pacakges in paralel 22:02 < martman> distcc lets you pick which ones can compile 22:03 < martman> what would be the rock linux way of pulling this off? 22:03 < SMP> see above 22:04 < martman> id like to avoid keeping a copy of the laptop on my desktop 22:04 < mnemoc> in rock you design a distro for that laptop, build it in your desktop, generate a CD and just install it on the lapton.... then you update the distro designed for your laptop on your desktop and then install updated .gems on the laptop 22:04 < martman> id want to keep the binaries but not a exact copy of the harddrive 22:04 < esden> mnemoc: why do you want to keep a copy of your laptop environment on the desktop? 22:04 < esden> im mean martman 22:04 < esden> you want a update right? 22:05 < SMP> arrgh 22:05 < martman> yeah, i want to update. SMP pointed out that my p4 desktop could throw in p4 code for my p3 laptop 22:05 < martman> so bad libs 22:05 < martman> id liek to chroot into my laptop but us emy desktops gcc 22:06 < mnemoc> as i said you before, update-system is just a feature to update EXCLUSIVELY the local system 22:06 < SMP> can we please not start from the beginning 22:06 < martman> yeah, so i would want to run it one my laptop but have my desktop doing all the work 22:07 < mnemoc> read 12 lineas above 22:07 < esden> martman: so mount your laptop disk through nfs on your desktop 22:07 < SMP> arrrgh 22:07 < esden> if you really want to do such a ill thing 22:07 -!- SMP [~stefanp@80.65.41.2] has left #rocklinux ("arrgh") 22:07 < martman> we just went over how NFS would be very slow 22:08 < martman> dam, i scared away SMP 22:08 < esden> no you pissed him off 22:08 < mnemoc> if you want to do it stupidly you get stupid solutions 22:08 < esden> martman: create a package selection template for your laptop 22:08 < esden> and create an iso ... and update from it 22:09 < martman> o no, using the fastes computer to compile. WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:09 < mnemoc> rock is a DISTRIBUTION BUILD KIT, not a source bases distro 22:10 < esden> mnemoc: you are taking my words from my mouth 22:10 < mnemoc> you build the distros in your faster computer and THEN install the 'product' in the laptop, server, old-crappy-box, etc. 22:10 < mnemoc> esden: :) 22:11 < esden> you can use it like a source distribution ... but that is only a sideeffect 22:11 < martman> sideffect? 22:12 < mnemoc> yes... it's not the primary purpose of rock 22:12 < esden> and if you want to update then rebuild the laptop distro and create new iso and update the laptop fith the new binary iso 22:12 < esden> I have made such an update yesterday with my laptop ... stone is your friend 22:12 < esden> or better gasgui 22:13 < martman> meh, something to make it scale well isnt priority. i was wondering why i havnt heard much about this........ 22:13 < martman> esden stone? 22:13 < mnemoc> stone is a app to manage rocklinux-BASED machines 22:13 < esden> martman: get the 2.0.0-rc1 iso and take a look 22:13 < martman> so it would do what i want? 22:13 < esden> then many of your questions will be resolved by itself 22:14 < esden> and read the rock linux book 22:14 < martman> the whole update and compiele only on desktop thung 22:14 < martman> why is it a iso if its not a distro? i tried this while agaon and just got a ncurses app 22:14 < esden> martman: my final word ... it is possible DOT 22:15 < mnemoc> martman: https://www.rocklinux.org/44.html <--- read this 22:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABB35.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:16 < martman> ill be back.... 22:16 < mnemoc> or a more direct link: https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html 22:16 < mnemoc> after reading 'what is ROCKLinux?' 22:17 < tcr> re all 22:17 < mnemoc> re tcr :) 22:18 * mnemoc needs a breath... 22:19 < tcr> why? 22:20 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.176] has joined #rocklinux 22:21 < rammi> hi guys 22:21 < tcr> hi 22:21 < mnemoc> if you can read the last 2:20 hours of chan-logs 22:22 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 22:22 < rammi> i am loking at some screenshots of gnome 2.4.. its rocks 22:22 < rammi> https://home.zhwin.ch/~bosshrap/gnome-2.4-beta2-with-file-selector-patch.png 22:23 < rammi> open dialog is cool 22:23 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 22:23 < LocalHero> Hi all 22:23 < rammi> hi 22:24 < mnemoc> hi LH 22:24 < esden> hi rammi 22:24 < LocalHero> Still no luck with x11 forwarding over ssh. When i run for example xclock on a remote server. What package do i need to install ? 22:24 < mnemoc> tcr: start reading after that -> [20:49] -!- martman [~martman3@syr-24-59-91-80.twcny.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 22:24 < LocalHero> mnemoc, hi :) 22:24 < rammi> esden: hi 22:25 < mnemoc> esden: irclog needs a 'frontpage' :) 22:25 < mnemoc> (hi!!) 22:25 < esden> mnemoc: yes ... but I need to discuss it with clifford how correctly do it 22:26 < esden> this will probably have to wait till December (20c3) 22:27 < mnemoc> :( 22:27 -!- martman [~martman3@syr-24-59-91-80.twcny.rr.com] has quit ("Leaving") 22:27 < esden> I need something to cool down ... 22:27 < mnemoc> to cool what? 22:27 < esden> my mood 22:28 < rammi> some music.. ? :) 22:29 < tcr> esden: let me guess, you forgot that star trek IV's comming? 22:30 < esden> tcr: O_o 22:31 < esden> mnemoc: /me has an idea how to make the irclog frontpage 22:32 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.34 [Mozilla rv:1.5a/20030718]") 22:32 < esden> I will create it ASAP 22:33 < mnemoc> :) 22:34 * rammi is away: I'm busy 22:42 * rammi is back (gone 00:08:12) 22:42 < rammi> can someone tells my what is the gnome verison in rock rc1? 22:43 < tcr> 14 and 2 22:43 < rammi> 2.x.x ? 22:43 < tcr> 2.2 22:43 < rammi> ok.. tnx.. 22:44 < rammi> i am now compiling 2.4_beta2... its very nice 22:53 < mnemoc> did u update rock or are u compiling it by hand? 22:54 < rammi> i am not a rock user yet. buy.. tnx. to rxr.. a will be. one day.. :) 22:55 < rammi> i am using slackware 9 and garnome-0.26.1 22:57 * rammi is away: dinner.. 23:03 -!- SMP [~stefanp@80.65.41.2] has joined #rocklinux 23:03 < SMP> is it over? 23:05 < rammi> its at the begining. 5~6 packages ar complete. 23:05 < rammi> 500 MHz.. 128 RAM. 23:06 < tcr> SMP? 23:07 < SMP> 20:48| (!) tcr ~tcr@pD9EA9119.dip.t-dialin.net has quit ["Ninety percent of everything is crap."] 23:07 < SMP> 20:49| (!) martman [~martman3@syr-24-59-91-80.twcny.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:09 < tcr> SMP: Who's that martman? 23:10 * rammi is back (gone 00:13:11) 23:10 < SMP> you don't want to know 23:11 < tcr> SMP: But, tell me, why do _you_ leave the channel rather than ignoring him? 23:12 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 23:13 < SMP> because I can't strictly ignore those who answer 23:15 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:19 < tcr> Ahja 23:19 < mnemoc> SMP has a good side := 23:20 * -> esden obviously too ;) 23:21 < esden> hmm ... mnemoc in a moment you will have a very rough irclog indexing 23:22 < mnemoc> :) 23:31 -!- christian_ [~christian@p50839DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 23:32 -!- Nebu^saikano is now known as Nebu^traurig 23:33 < rammi> i invite my friend.. here.. his a bio fan of rock linux 23:33 < rammi> big 23:35 < esden> mnemoc: you have a dirty indexing now ;) 23:36 -!- n00kie is now known as nookie 23:38 < mnemoc> :| nice 'style' 23:38 < esden> I know ;) 23:39 < esden> is it better then before or should I remove it ;) 23:39 < mnemoc> keep it :( 23:40 < mnemoc> it's faster than plain index 23:40 < SMP> wtf are you talking about? 23:41 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/esden/irclog/ 23:42 < mnemoc> btw, martman give us his email for giving it to you... he needs you explain him everything again 23:43 -!- mrvek [~mrvek@apn-226-178.gprs.simobil.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:43 < rammi> desi mrva :) 23:43 < mrvek> haj 23:44 < mrvek> i mean Hi ;) 23:44 < mnemoc> haj 23:44 < rammi> :) 23:45 < mnemoc> haj, desi... wtf is that? :( 23:45 < mrvek> i'm wondering is here on chan that guy who started a new subproject 23:45 < mrvek> router subdistro ... 23:45 < mnemoc> alessandro? 23:45 < mrvek> cisco like ...blabla ... sounds interesing ;) 23:45 < mrvek> no, the new guy ... 23:46 < mrvek> i've been posting a ping-pong response about helping him ... but email never arrived ;( 23:46 < mnemoc> the guy of the recient email to the list? 23:47 < mrvek> it's nisma ... 23:47 < mrvek> i took a peek in inbox ... 23:49 < mnemoc> /whowas nisma 23:49 -!- much [~much@p213.54.166.151.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:49 < mrvek> fyi, mnemoc, "haj" and "desi" are slanged serbian ;) nothing more ;) 23:49 < mrvek> nothing less 23:50 < mnemoc> serbian slang for what? hi? 23:50 < tcr> mrvek: Where was your mail addressed to? The mailinglist? 23:50 < tcr> mnemoc: obviously, yes 23:50 < rammi> mnemoc: yes 23:50 < mrvek> it's that thread called: rock linux router distro 23:50 < mrvek> yeah tcr, rock-linux@rocklinux.org 23:50 < tcr> mnemoc: In swedish it'd be hej 23:51 < mrvek> no posts are showing from my email ;( 23:51 < tcr> mrvek: Have you got some bounce message or whatever? 23:51 < mrvek> possibly ... but I still receive mailing list posts ... 23:52 < mrvek> I've tried re-activation for that email ... nothing so far ;( 23:52 < mnemoc> swedish: hej, serbian: haj <-- linguistic freakness :( 23:52 < mrvek> crazy stuff ... 23:53 < mrvek> mnemoc: sometimes it's said hej also in serbian ;) hey, it's fscking slang ;) 23:53 < tcr> mrvek: send the reply to me (tcr at freebits dot de), and I'll forward it 23:53 < esden> ohh god ... guys ... you have really big problems ;) 23:54 < mrvek> esden: huge ones ;) 23:54 < mnemoc> ??? 23:54 < mrvek> we are struggling with ghosts ;) 23:56 < mrvek> tcr: gone ... 23:57 < mnemoc> chile 2 - argentina 2 at argentina :D 23:58 < mrvek> heavenly ;) mnemoc, did u watched shaolin soccer? :P 23:58 < mnemoc> just the trailer 23:59 < mistik1> fotbul? 23:59 < mnemoc> yep 23:59 < mistik1> cool 23:59 < mrvek> u should ... it makes u sick of "fotbul" :P 23:59 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABB35.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --- Log closed Sun Sep 07 00:00:00 2003