--- Log opened Tue Sep 09 00:00:39 2003
00:01 < rxr> I have yet another interesting one:
00:01 < ripclaw> oh my....
00:01 < rxr> MB81C1000-10P
00:01 < rxr> 8911 I120
00:02 < rxr> erh sorry:
00:02 < rxr> 8911 I20
00:02 < rxr> also 100ns ?
00:05 < rxr> ripclaw: still here?
00:07 < ripclaw> jes, just looking. likely 1mb 100ns
00:07 < esden> ha ... now miniperl compiles ...
00:07 * ripclaw has headache
00:07 < esden> but I have the problem I had last time I got that bitch compiling ... it coredumps >_<
00:08 < rxr> ripclaw: any chance the 100ns will ever work in the box?
00:09 < ripclaw> i dont know. got to ask ruediger on that one. maybe see if i can get to sunopsis
00:10 < rxr> what does interleave mean in this box
00:10 < rxr> from other pics I guess:
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00:11 < rxr> DIMM DIMM
00:11 < rxr> -    -
00:11 < rxr> -    -
00:11 < rxr> -    -
00:11 < ripclaw> means that one bank of dimms, bit0 is on bank0, bit1 on bank1 etc.
00:11 < w3st0n> what is rock linux? never heard of it?
00:11 < rxr> DIMM DIMM
00:11 < rxr> -    -
00:11 < rxr> -    -
00:11 < rxr> -    -
00:11 < rxr> correct
00:11 < rxr> w3st0n: a distribution build kit
00:11 < rxr> see the homepage and our exellent Handbook :-)
00:12 < esden> rxr: poser ;-)
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00:12 < ripclaw> block order is somewhere listed on the box platine. the numbers are usually next to the slot
00:12 < ripclaw> esden poser is a 3d animation tool
00:12 < esden> rxr: and yes it is good
00:12 < esden> ripclaw: :P
00:13 < rxr> esden: I already have corrections, and some new conent here ...
00:13 < rxr> + more cotent on the TODO for tonight ...
00:13 < ripclaw> rxr - afai remember it ought to be four dimms, next four dimms in z-style order.
00:13 < w3st0n> hey, soundz cool
00:13 < rxr> ripclaw: but the minimal schematic is 4 dimms?
00:13 < w3st0n> what about kernel mods?
00:14 < ripclaw> rxr yes, four is minimal
00:14 < ripclaw> im getting dizzy
00:14 < ripclaw> rxr think in numbers of four
00:14 < w3st0n> sorry to bother you all (but this sounds interesting)... can you easily configure kernel modules, as well as packages?
00:14 < ripclaw> it can handle 1mb and 4mb dimm
00:15 < ripclaw> w3st0n yes. just edit the flatfiles of a) the kernel config b) the build config
00:15 < ripclaw> w3st0n all you need is to understand make and file formats.
00:15 < w3st0n> what distro did it branch from?
00:16 < ripclaw> w3st0n none. work from scratch
00:16 < ripclaw> rxr ill be right back
00:16 < w3st0n> wow, impressive (very rare these days)
00:16 < rxr> w3st0n: we exist since 1998 ...
00:17 < w3st0n> well, thanks for answering my questions... i just stumbled in here- i'm going to d/l a copy of this distro and try it out... hehe might see me around :-)
00:17 < w3st0n> -peace
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00:17 < rxr> hm
00:17 < esden> another user infected ;)
00:17 < daja77> hehe
00:20 < ripclaw> rxr if you like call me, i need to go to bed and catch sleep. have headache from working through the nicht
00:20 < esden> ahh ... rxr ... thanks for Emerge-Pkg, that is a very usefull script!
00:21 < daja77> ack
00:21 < ripclaw> rxr hope i helped somehow
00:21 < daja77> but not on slow hw
00:21 < esden> can be
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00:23 < esden> cu ripclaw_afk sleep well
00:23 * ripclaw_afk is away: catching some sleep until 0800 Europe/Berlin
00:23 < ripclaw_afk> cu folks
00:25 < rxr> ripclaw_afk: yes thanks
00:25 < ripclaw_afk> rxr n8 then
00:25 < esden> n8 ripclaw_afk 
00:25 < rxr> n8 ripclaw_afk 
00:26 < esden> urgh .. gdb is big ...
00:26 * rxr pulling the Type5 out of the U5 for plug into S2 ...
00:27 < rxr> the iBook is still reinstalling my -rc1+fixes - so it may take some minutes till I'm back ...
00:38 < _spectre_> ping ?
00:39 < esden> _spectre_: ping who?
00:39 < _spectre_> cool =)
00:39 < esden> pong then ;)
00:40 < _spectre_> nah, just changed switching to a 100mbit hub to copy enemy territory to my neighbor - without i-nett conn, made it in time to change back without irc disconnect =))
00:40 < blindcoder> dammit, shouldn't watch so much anime...
00:40 < blindcoder> good morning, hello, good afternoon, good night, whatever!
00:41 < daja77> hi blindy, nice to see you back
00:41 < esden> re blindcoder!
00:42 < esden> blindcoder: yes you shouldn't ;)
00:42 < blindcoder> hi daja77 !
00:42 < daja77> :)
00:42 < blindcoder> esden: *hug*
00:42 < esden> *rehug*
00:42 < blindcoder> well, anime in itself isn't that bad...
00:42 < esden> blindcoder: do some work instead watching anime ;)
00:42 < esden> for example updating your packages ;)
00:42 * daja77 was lazy today
00:43 < esden> I have not seen any patches on the ml fram you ...
00:43 * -> esden goes on blindcoder's nerves ;)
00:43 < blindcoder> esden: I'm officially still on vacation :P
00:43 < esden> blindcoder: /me too ... and I use that time to be productive for rock ... later I will not have that time ;)
00:43 < blindcoder> but I have three updates to do, (nethack, SDL, SCMxx)
00:44 < blindcoder> I want to keep that for work which will be boring enough...
00:44 < blindcoder> hmm...
00:44 * blindcoder looks at previous statement...
00:44 < blindcoder> correction:
00:44 * blindcoder shouldn't watch so much _shoujo_ anime...
00:45 < esden> shoujo?
00:45 < esden> (argh fuck ... why is it impossible to compile in debug information in perl >_<)
00:45 < blindcoder> anime/manga which is typically categorized as "girls' anime)
00:45 < garlopf> what does wish do?
00:46 < esden> blindcoder: ROFL
00:46 < blindcoder> esden: as opposed to "shounen" anime/manga, which is typically categorized as "boys' anime"
00:46 < esden> garlopf: ???
00:46 < esden> garlopf: man wish
00:46 < blindcoder> wish? wasn't that some tcl bindings?
00:46 < garlopf> hm..
00:46 < esden> from the manpage: wish - Simple windowing shell
00:47 < blindcoder> I remember having had to handle with "wish" when installing my tcl-irc-bot
00:47 < esden> garlopf: RTFM is your friend
00:47 < esden> garlopf: freshmeat too
00:47 < esden> and google
00:47 < esden> but that also counts as FM
00:47 < blindcoder> esden: well, shoujo nime is about as realistic as romantic movie's / books / whatever...
00:47 < garlopf> how come i got the wish man page, but not the command itself :P
00:48 < esden> now I understand why you shouldn't watch that much of it
00:48 < blindcoder> boy meets girl, girl hates boy, boy is persistent, girl falls in love with boy, watcher starts to puke, they lived happily ever after
00:48 < blindcoder> that crap
00:48 < esden> good I am not watching that stuff ... that would make me depresive
00:48 < blindcoder> heh, why do you think I should watch less of it?
00:49 < esden> because you get depresive from it?
00:49 < blindcoder> yeah...
00:49 < blindcoder> well, not directly from it...
00:50 < blindcoder> more from the fact that I know that it's impossible for me to get within reach of a similiar situation for myself
00:50 < blindcoder> esden: btw: wonders are still happening! Guess who wants to go to the fitness training with me to burn fat!
00:51 < esden> matina?
00:51 < blindcoder> no, she already does so.
00:51 < blindcoder> 2 guesses left
00:51 < esden> erm ... 
00:51 < esden> what was her name ...
00:51 < blindcoder> MEEP
00:51 < blindcoder> wrong again
00:51 < blindcoder> 1 guess left
00:52 * -> esden context switching from computer to RL
00:52 < esden> that takes time
00:52 < daja77> esden is so slow ...
00:52 < esden> erm ... bianca?
00:52 < blindcoder> esden: the clue lies in the first sentence!
00:52 < blindcoder> MEEPMEEP!
00:52 < esden> dunno
00:52 < blindcoder> the candidate has lost, he'l now be thrown into a crocodile-infested pond!
00:53 < esden> heeey cool
00:53 < blindcoder> the correct answer was.......... Florian "Zero Cool" Anthofer!
00:53 < esden> urgh 
00:53 < esden> not a woman ... but I would never expect that from him
00:53 < daja77> oh blindcoder loves men
00:53 < blindcoder> d'ouh
00:53 * blindcoder slaps daja77 
00:53 < esden> lol
00:53 < esden> ROFL
00:54 < blindcoder> daja77: it's true that real love can only exist between men, but I'm 100% straight!
00:54 < daja77> ic
00:54 * daja77 tries to escape blindcoder 
00:54 * -> esden catches daja77  and pushes against bc
00:54 < esden> ;)
00:54 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA!
00:54 < daja77> *coug*
00:54 * blindcoder kisses daja77 on the cheek and runs away laughing
00:55 * daja77 starts crying
00:55 < daja77> he left me
00:55 < esden> yuck ... guys do that at home and in private please
00:55 * blindcoder wantsl to note that he opened the new Sake-bottle this evening...
00:55 < blindcoder> just so btw :)
00:56 < esden> blindcoder: you alki
00:56 < blindcoder> esden: why shouldn't I?
00:56 < daja77> lol hearing esden saying that
00:56 < blindcoder> esden: what reason would there be for me to not drink and d(e)rive?
00:57 < blindcoder> (NOOOOO, I drank the Sake at HOME, and did NOT drive afterwards)
00:57 < esden> that is something new that you do not drive drunk ;)
00:57 < blindcoder> well, truth to be told, I only did that once in my life (drink under alcohol-influence)
00:57 < esden> I thought that is your sport to escape policemen driving drunk around the city
00:58 < blindcoder> erm...
00:58 < blindcoder> drive under alcohol-influence...
00:58 < blindcoder> esden: no, that's martinas new sport as soon as she gets her license
00:58 < esden> hehe ... yes ... that is correct
00:58 < esden> she is also the only real drinker I know ;)
00:59 < blindcoder> I only drove with alcohol once in my life and uli made me 10cm shorter for that...
00:59 < daja77> you are still tall ...
00:59 < blindcoder> daja77: I'm still growing :D
00:59 < esden> daja77: he is hiding it well ;)
00:59 < daja77> hehe
01:00 < esden> blindcoder: but in the wrong direction ;)
01:00 < blindcoder> more in width than in height... but there isn't anyone who cares about that anyway
01:00 * -> esden cares!!!
01:01 < blindcoder> yes, maybe you do...
01:01 < esden> yes I do
01:01 < blindcoder> but it's not the way of caring I'd like to have...
01:02 < blindcoder> you know... there were only two people who remembered my birthday by themselves...
01:02 < blindcoder> makes one feel kinda... sad, doesn't it?
01:02 < esden> yes...
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01:04 < blindcoder> sometimes I feel like owl is right...
01:04 < blindcoder> if you die now, it won't matter that much...
01:04 < blindcoder> in one, maybe two weeks people will have forgotten about you
01:04 < blindcoder> and it'd be like you never existed...
01:04 < daja77> nah I'd need longer ;-)
01:05 < daja77> in fact i missed your presence here
01:05 < esden> blindcoder: two weeks? so long??? ;) ... but to be serious ... you are talking crap ... you have drunk too much
01:06 < blindcoder> there might be three or our people who wouldn't forget nor forgive... but those would be people who'd have died long before yourself
01:06 < blindcoder> esden: you should know that it takes more than one caraffe of Sake to make me drunk.
01:07 < blindcoder> I'm just... wondering why people like HannesMP, Commander and others are able to get someone who really cares about them almost at will...
01:07 < esden> ok ... then it were that anime that made you think like that
01:08 < esden> humm ... they are picking up evry girl they see ... that is it
01:08 < blindcoder> while at the same time I'm losing more and more people to even just hang around with...
01:10 < blindcoder> right now, it's down to four people who I can hang out with...
01:11 < rxr> re
01:11 < blindcoder> moin rxr
01:11 < esden> re rxr 
01:11 < rxr> SPARCstation 2, Keyboard Present                                                
01:11 < rxr> ROM Rev. 2.9, 16 MB memory installed, Serial 
01:11 < rxr> SunOS Release 5.5.1 Version Generic [UNIX(R) System V Release 4.0]              
01:11 < rxr> Copyright (c) 1983-1996, Sun Microsystems, Inc.
01:11 < esden> blindcoder: better few people then the wrong ones ... that is my philosopy
01:11 < daja77> esden: full ack
01:11 < blindcoder> esden: at the current rate... that number is down to 0 by Christmas
01:12 < esden> rxr: that means that you got your sparc to boot?
01:14 < esden> blindcoder: people go and come ... but the real friends are always there ... 
01:14 < esden> why should the last 4 people go?
01:14 < blindcoder> cause I tend to spoil even people who are my friends...
01:15 < esden> real friends can not get spoiled ...
01:15 < blindcoder> don't you remember what happened with Klimo?
01:15 < blindcoder> I've know him for the most part of my life...
01:15 < esden> that does not mean that he was your real friend
01:15 < blindcoder> and then... I started to become depressed... and vented it on him...
01:16 < rxr> esden: yes
01:17 < blindcoder> I didn't even notice... and after a few months of it... he just had enough and I can't even blame him
01:20 < rxr> WARNING: clock gained 983 days -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!                     
01:20 < rxr> this box was off-line for quite some time now ...
01:31 < esden> rxr: seems so
01:36 < rxr> it does not seem to boot into Solaris cleanlu ... :-(
01:37 < rxr> WARNING: clock gained 983 days -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!                     
01:39 < rxr> oh sorry - I have not even noticed to repost it ... oop
01:41 * daja77 off to bed
01:41 < daja77> cu
01:47 < rxr> cu daja
01:48 < daja77> cu rxr, will start sending patches again from tomorrow
01:48 < rxr> nice
01:48 * daja77 needed a pause
01:48 < daja77> + he is busy with studienarbeit :(
01:49 < esden> cu daja77 
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02:00 < rxr> cu dajahi cytrinox_ 
02:01 < __mnemoc> o_O
02:01 < rxr> one stray arrow-up ...
02:01 < rxr> hi __mnemoc 
02:01 < __mnemoc> hi rxr
02:03 < rxr> I get some food - cu in some minutes ...
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02:26 < rxr> re
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02:29 < __mnemoc> wb rxr :)
02:30 < SMP> God, how I hate machine accounts in /etc/passwd because of stupid sambe
02:30 < SMP> samba
02:31 * SMP test-setting up domain w/ samba 3.0.0rc2
02:32 < __mnemoc> :)
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02:41 < esden> humm ... the mailinglist is pretty quiet
02:42 < __mnemoc> the peace after the storm
02:43 < esden> or before storm ;)
02:44 < __mnemoc> :o
02:44 < esden> or we are in the eye of a hurrycane ;)
02:44 < SMP> after a patch is before a patch
02:44 < esden> full ack SMP 
02:45 < SMP> what the hell .. 
02:48 < esden> ?
02:49 < rxr> ?
02:50 < __mnemoc> ?
02:51 < rxr> esden: will we meet this weekend?
02:51 < esden> probably .. or at least on monday
02:51 < esden> dunno ... what regina wants me to do ;)
02:52 < rxr> ic
02:53 < __mnemoc> rxr: you shall rent him for a couple of hours :-\
02:53 < esden> lol
02:56 < esden> rxr: on monday she has her practica ... so I could visit you at that time
02:56 < esden> if we do not meet during the weekend
02:56 < esden> or are you busy?
02:58 < rxr> yes that would be nice
02:58 < esden> good then we make it so
03:01 < rxr> yes - and I guess also soem community whatever during the weekend ....
03:01 < rxr> we'll see
03:01 < esden> yes we will
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03:06 < esden> humm ... getting miniperl to be compiled with debugging is really work >_<
03:06 < esden> we do too much in rock not to have debugging symbols in our binary's ;)
03:08 < rxr> esden: nope - just disable optimization
03:08 < rxr> esden: I extra fixed this weeks ago ...
03:08 < rxr> you should get full debug binaries ...
03:08 < esden> humm ... 
03:09 < esden> I got it compiled some seconds ago ... 
03:09 < esden> I see I have a lot to learn ...
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03:45 < rxr> fun of the day @ linux-kernel:
03:45 < rxr> use AI for proccess scheduling
03:45 < rxr> me votes for a three layer neuronal net
03:46 < esden> I vote for stachastic learning ;)
03:46 < esden> or a spiking neurons net
03:46 < __mnemoc> wtf? url?
03:47 < esden> with 1000 neurons please
03:47 < esden> ;)
03:47 < rxr> __mnemoc: my inbox of linux-kernel
03:47 < __mnemoc> lkml?
03:48 < __mnemoc> its a serious proposal?
03:48 < rxr> __mnemoc: I do not know yet - it sounds serious
03:48 < rxr> the linux-kernel in the last weeks was full of scheduler stuff ...
03:49 < rxr> btw __mnemoc esden is my schillernet.dyndns.org fast enought for the .html files?
03:49 < esden> a three layer neuronal net is makable and could even perform
03:49 < rxr> nope - the performance would suck
03:50 < rxr> the scheduler is a often executed thing which should only take some spare CPU cycles
03:50 < rxr> not proccess thousands of neurons ...
03:50 < esden> such a solution is in siemens washing mashines to make the spin cycle less unbalanced
03:51 < esden> and there is only a simple microcontroller for that
03:51 < esden> that is _NOT_ a joke
03:52 < esden> rxr: that would not be so many neurons
03:52 < rxr> to process a hand of inputs to decide wether to stop shortly and let the clothes suck a bit is not that much work
03:52 < rxr> and it onlly needs to be done everysecond ...
03:53 < esden> yes ... thati is correct ... but such a neuronal net could work as a separate kernel process and optimize the sheduling
03:53 < esden> and could do it also everey 10 seconds or 100 seconds ... and in the meantime gather data and learn
03:54 < rxr> well I see it happend: eiik: neuro-sched killed due to out of memory
03:54 < esden> lol
03:55 < rxr> or NULL pointer access in neuro-net.o ...
03:55 < esden> that will happen in the beginning .. when the scheduler is new
03:55 < rxr> esden: how fast is schillernet.dyndns.org from the outside?
03:55 < rxr> useable for serving normal .html content?
03:55 < esden> and I would call it a neuronal_sched_optimizer.o ;)
03:56 < esden> rxr: yes it is usable for that
03:57 < __mnemoc> time wget http://schillernet.dyndns.org/
03:57 < __mnemoc> real    0m1.904s
03:57 < rxr> __mnemoc: and a ping?
03:58 < __mnemoc>  256.3/257.4/258.0 ms
03:58 < rxr> esden: what is a time wget for you?
03:58 < rxr> mistik1: ouu that is much
03:59 < esden> rxr: real    0m0.095s
03:59 < esden> time=29.8 ms
03:59 < __mnemoc> rxr: i'm at the other side of the world :)
03:59 < rxr> ah ok - that looks ok
04:00 < rxr> __mnemoc: I know ...
04:00 < esden> round-trip min/avg/max = 29.2/30.5/41.7 ms
04:00 < rxr> esden: btw we do not need diff on the 2nd stage bootdisk, do we?
04:00 < esden> rxr: which diff do you mean exactly?
04:01 < rxr> /usr/bin/diff
04:01 < esden> not that I know of ...
04:01 < rxr> the 2nd stage is 60 MB in size (uncompressed) I think this it far too much
04:01 < esden> rxr: ... you will be able to make the 2nd stage even smaller when you use dietlibc for more packets
04:01 < esden> but for that you will probably need my patches *hint* *hint* ;)
04:02 < esden> yes 60MB is way too much
04:02 < rxr> esden: yes yes
04:03 < rxr> but we will not enable more dietlibc for now - this is too eXPerimental I think
04:03 < esden> but please add dvorak keyboard layout correctly to the bootdiscs ... if you will be on it ... 
04:03 < rxr> we want to get 2.0.0 out some day ...
04:03 < esden> rxr: yes ... that is why I have not done it myself
04:03 < rxr> esden: I disabled them to save some space *hint*
04:03 < __mnemoc> we don't need more striping, we need a clean up or redistribution 
04:04 < esden> GRRR but they are really needed ... and de keyboard mapping is not working either
04:04 < rxr> esden: it is not working ?
04:04 < esden> or have you disabled all the keyboard mapping stuff?
04:05 < esden> nope ... loadkbmap de is saying that it can not load an included file carred qwertz.gz or so
04:05 < esden> s/carred/called
04:05 < esden>  /
04:05 < rxr> historically we did not had mappings on the disk
04:05 < rxr> that there are now soem is a new features I added a few weeks ago
04:05 < rxr> are you sure your install was new enought?
04:05 < esden> yes ... but I really really would be happy to have dvorak on the bootdisc
04:06 < esden> _really_ _really_
04:06 < rxr> esden: ok ok I got this
04:06 < esden> rxr: yes ... that is a pretty new checkout .. but I can test if the de stuff is working in a moment ... I have only to fire up vmware
04:06 < __mnemoc> do u _really_ _really_ use a dvorak kb?
04:06 < rxr> I hate find
04:07 < esden> I do not need most binarys on the bootdisc ... like bonnie++ or how it is called
04:07 < esden> I do not also need dump and other stuff
04:07 < esden> it is needed for a rescue disc but not for an install disc
04:07 < esden> I think we should difference that
04:08 < rxr> nope that is IMHO not necessary - a combined disk is nice
04:09 < esden> but that makes it very big ... 
04:09 < esden> I would prefere to have one more 2nd stage ... called rescue or so 
04:10 < esden> this stuff is not fitting on one floppy anyways
04:10 < esden> ;)
04:10 < esden> I know we have that fine splitting stuff thanks to clifford
04:13 * SMP wondering if Tomcat can be compiled with gcj
04:15 < esden> SMP: we tryed it already with fake ... and no it is not working at least half year ago ... perhups it is possible now ... who knows
04:16 < __mnemoc> rxr: have you tryed bootdisk on a [34]86? are those still supported?
04:17 < rxr> __mnemoc: theoretically yes - but the isolinux thing required quite a new BIOS
04:17 < rxr> and most {3,4}86 do not support CD boot anyway
04:17 < rxr> so you would need to push some floppies into it ...
04:18 < __mnemoc> teorically you can boot (bootdisk) from floppy and install from network
04:19 < esden> rxr: loadkeys de yelds that it can not load file included from de.map.gz called qwertz-layout
04:20 < rxr> hm
04:20 < rxr> ok
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05:01 < jsaw_> re
05:05 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 
05:06 < jsaw_> hi rxr, still awake? (I fell asleep with my daughter and just woke up...)
05:07 < rxr> jsaw_: yes still awake - nights are so nice to work ...
05:08 * rxr needs to fill www.rocklinux-consulting.de with content - including ROCK Handbook work
05:08 < jsaw_> yes!
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05:13 < jsaw_> rxr: Have u ever seen that gnome differientiates between desktop, office, fifth-toe, power-tools and hacker-tools?
05:13 < rxr> not really - I sometimes wonder what this fifth-toe is about - but that is all ... - why?
05:14 < jsaw_> I just extracted the build order of gnome 2.4-beta from garnome, to see what is missing.
05:15 < jsaw_> Do we ignore this differentiation and put everything into gnome2?
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05:17 < rxr> jsaw: yes - all into gnome2 - but this sound more like it should go into the categories of those packages ...
05:18 < jsaw> what do u mean? extra/gnome/office and the like?
05:19 < rxr> yes
05:23 < rxr> 2.6.0-test5 is out\
05:25 < jsaw> rxr: will there ever be a possibility to create links inside the package/*/{} dirs (that are not going to confuse the build-scripts)?
05:25 < jsaw> rxr: I haven't read it exactly, but I think, they solved the IO-stall problem.
05:27 < rxr> jsaw: what link problem do you mean?
05:29 < jsaw> I've never tried it actually... but AFAICS, if I create a link (let's say from misc/evolution to jsaw/evolution, to remind myself, that I have to care for the package), the scripts will be confused, or?
05:29 < owl> morning
05:29 < jsaw> g'morning owl
05:30 < owl> hi jsaw. how are you?
05:30 < jsaw> thank's, not yet fully recovered, but okay.
05:30 < jsaw> 'n u?
05:33 < owl> feeling sick, tired and amused (no joke)
05:34 < jsaw> amused <-> tired/sick. That sounds like >39C.
05:35 < owl> nah ;p just having a "zwerghamster" since yesterday... which is doing the same as i'm doing: "sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, eating, sleeping" ;p
05:39 < rxr> oh! How does it come that you got a pat?
05:39 < owl> hm. bought it yesterday (btw, had a "wellensittich", and fish before)
05:39 < owl> (ok - not had - but already have)
05:40 < jsaw> (I've seen the picture with your "wellensittich")
05:40 < owl> hi rxr, btw
05:40 < owl> yeah, ;p
05:41 < rxr> yeah - moin owl 
05:42 < rxr> I hope you enjoy them - and they increase you overall happyness ,)!
05:42 < jsaw> I miss my cat.
05:43 < owl> yeah. thx. will enjoy them. hm. - and i think my "happyness" will come back more or less soon, because i canceled my therapy and so
05:43 < owl> jsaw: why missing? died?
05:44 < jsaw> no, she's with my mum (near Stuttgart). She's used to go outside, but we live here on the first floor...
05:45 < owl> i c. not well :-/
05:46 < jsaw> but sooner or later, we have to have some pets... ya know, my daughter...
05:46 < rxr> owl: what therapy?
05:47 < owl> jsaw: yeah... but depends on pets...
05:49 < jsaw> owl: yep. "Wellensittiche", fish, guinea pigs, rabits etc...
05:49 < jsaw> sth. like that
05:50 < jsaw> rxr: come on, you know owl a little bit...
05:50 < owl> jsaw: yeah. but guinea pigs can bite extremely afaik - as well as rabbits
05:51 < jsaw> owl: that's good! Kiddies should know, that they cannot do everything with an animal!
05:52 < rxr> jsaw: yes - but when owl writes this here I'm curious in details - especially when canceling helps here ...
05:52 < rxr> owl: why does aboarding it helps you? Was is that worse - or just the wrong people?
05:52 < owl> hm. it was that worse, because of getting reminded about past and stuff like that
05:55 < rxr> hm - it is a great help for my girlfriend ... - but as I do not know what happend in you live this is hard to compare ... - but if forgetting helps we should change the topic.
05:56 < owl> yeah... thx. 
05:56 < jsaw> .oO(Strange society. I meet so many girls that need/had a therapy - like my wife also.)
05:57 < rxr> jsaw: oh 
05:58 < owl> yes. but - hm. - in a society where it is "cool" to be a "emotionaler flachwichser" as man, it isn't that shocking, is it?
05:59 < jsaw> owl: that is not the problem.
05:59 < owl> why?
06:01 < jsaw> Well. The most important things in our society is "sparetime", "fun", "independance" etc.. WTF, we are "Herdentiere".
06:02 < jsaw> ->
06:03 < jsaw> men being naturally more closed get even more closed (-> emotional analphabets)
06:04 < jsaw> women being naturally familly keepers/mothers (sorry, biologically it is that way) simply don't know, in what direction to go (mental confusion)
06:17 < jsaw> owl: did I offend u?
06:17 < owl> nah... 
06:18 < owl> <-- just tired... 
06:19 < jsaw> (and, admittedly, that's a kind of discussion that is easier irl... I'm not good in explaining myself in two or three sentences...)
06:19 < owl> (hm. but why are there so many so-called "borderliner" out? - they have things in common - like "koerperlicher und/oder seelischer missbrauch) 
06:20 < jsaw> owl: because parents are not parents anymore (see above, personal interests are more important).
06:21 < owl> yes, that too... but e.g. in school you get "ausgelacht, verpruegelt" and so on, when you're not a "angepasster mensch" - e.g. when you don't wear the latest "in-klamotten" and stuff... 
06:22 < owl> or boys demonstrate how "man" they're - and do/try to do raping someone...
06:22 < rxr> yes - it seems that not accepted is the biggest problem
06:24 < owl> yes. and this is one of the things you're learing by society, by parents and so on... you have to be like the others - otherwise you're often going to have a hard way... like you have to proof that you can be strong and can be yourself, even if you're different and so
06:25 < jsaw> I was laughed at for believing in God since kindergarden times. Still I'm strong. And why? Because my parents implanted in me the feeling, that there's always somebody that loves me. That was enough for me all the time. So, acceptance is crucial, yes. But it starts much earlier...
06:27 < owl> hm. when the parents implement stuff and so? and how you're treated and so?
06:28 < jsaw> ? (don't understand the question, please rephrase)
06:29 < jsaw> btw, with strong, I mean mentally strong. I'm a "Weichei" otherwise.
06:30 < owl> jsaw: hm. "wann startet es? wenn die eltern moral etc. einem vor[gaukeln,lernen,machen], wie man behandelt wird usw?)
06:30 < owl> (sorry...reboot... second)
06:30 < jsaw> (okay, off for a smoke)
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06:33 < owl> re
06:33 < owl> and gn8 (sleeping again)
06:33 < rxr> n89 owl - sleep well
06:35 < jsaw> owl: just an example
06:36 < jsaw> while most parents let girls play with dolls and cars, most parents will find it strange to let boys play with dolls... 
06:36 < jsaw> good night owl.
06:41 < jsaw> rxr: 05:58 < rxr> hm - it is a great help for my girlfriend ..., I'm also getting curious...
06:42 < jsaw> rxr: other constructions site: how much time do I have to do the gnome updates?
06:43 < rxr> jsaw: the time you need ...
06:43 < jsaw> what's the time-line for rc2?
06:43 < jsaw> roughly?
06:43 < rxr> jsaw: do you know details about owl? then you know about verena ... :-( (I just ad to find out)
06:44 < rxr> jsaw: oehm 1-2 weeks?
06:52 < esden> *sigh*
06:53 * -> esden realizes for another time that our society is really really something wrong
06:54 < jsaw> hi esden.
06:54 < esden> hi jsaw 
06:55 < rxr>  rehi esden 
06:55 < esden> re hi ... /me needed a brake form perl fixing so watched a film ...
06:56 < jsaw> fixing perl? when can we expect perl7? (oh, bad joke I know)
06:56 < esden> jsaw: I would be very happy if perl did not exist ... really
06:57 < esden> to get that bitch (that is a very nice word for that) working under dietlibc is "fun"
06:57 < jsaw> what's again the meaning of P E R L?
06:58 < esden> all meanings of that acronym are too nice
06:58 < esden> purely eclectical rubbish lister ... is the one I know that fit's best
06:58 < esden> but it is still too nice
07:00 * jsaw off, diapers...
07:00 < esden> cu jsaw 
07:08 < esden> ok ... good night everyone
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07:17 < rxr> erhm - night?
07:18 < rxr> yes - have a good sleep!
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08:00 < jsaw> cu l8r, going to work now...
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08:24 < ripclaw_> .
08:24 < ripclaw_> hi earlybirds!
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08:26 < rxr> hi ripclaw 
08:26 < rxr> the SPARC runs now :-)
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08:37 < rxr> hi scoopexH DeElsasser 
08:37 < DeElsasser> hi rxr
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08:41 < jsaw> re
08:41 < DeElsasser> hi jsaw
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08:42 < jsaw> hi DeElsasser 
08:42 < DeElsasser> jsaw: you can update scribus to 1.0.1, it works ;-)
08:42 < jsaw> DeElsasser: k, thanx
08:43 < ripclaw> hi & mahlzeit
08:43 < jsaw> fscking "My Details" etal. emails. 20 a day. AAAHHHHH
08:44 < DeElsasser> ripclaw: DeElsasser has nothing to eat :-(
08:44 < jsaw> diet or student?
08:44 < ripclaw> DeElsasser im eating the stuff from jesterday,
08:44 < ripclaw> singlehaushalt
08:45 < DeElsasser> lol
08:45 < DeElsasser> jsaw: at work
08:46 < ripclaw> thats where i am heading next
08:48 < DeElsasser> ripclaw: what is heading?
08:48 < ripclaw> ich gehe da als naechstes hin (heading home, going in direction off)
08:49 < jsaw> (french would be better)
08:49 < ripclaw> i dunno french, and latin is weird in irc, i think. can offer italian, though.
08:49 < DeElsasser> jsaw: ne deutsch is ok fr mich ;-)
08:51 < ripclaw> brb in kitchen fetching food
08:51 < jsaw> DeElsasser: I know. I said "better"..
08:51 < jsaw> at least ripclaw keeps yesterday's food in the kitchen...
08:54 < ripclaw> i might keep it in kennels, too. in case it starts prowling and howling like mad beasts
08:55 * ripclaw strikes down a flock of fleeing noodles
08:56 < jsaw> :))))))))
08:56 < DeElsasser> noodles at this time????????????
08:56 < ripclaw> as i siad, cold food from yeterday
08:57 < DeElsasser> burk
08:57 < ripclaw> what else ? make new food ? let them rot =
08:57 < DeElsasser> cafe au lait and croissants : that what you need
08:58 < jsaw> ripclaw: no, wait, until it can decide on its own
08:58 < ripclaw> i drink almost no caffee anymore, my stomache is caffein allergic ever since overdosing to 10 cans a day
08:58 < ripclaw> jsaw my food has a choice, it hops of my plate. i dont care. root may do so.
09:00 < ripclaw> crossaints would reqire getting out of house to do it right. nah. stay home comfy snuggly
09:01 < ripclaw> i threw a full glass of pesto on it to compensate
09:02 < jsaw> yummy
09:02 < DeElsasser> \me wird bald kotzen...
09:03 * DeElsasser wird bald kotzen...
09:03 < DeElsasser> sein cafe au lait und seine croissants....
09:03 < scoopexH> hi rxr !
09:05 < DeElsasser> linux 2.6 test 5 is da....
09:06 < jsaw> 05:26 < rxr> 2.6.0-test5 is out\
09:06 < jsaw> :P
09:06 < ripclaw> best thing is i can now have a glass of whiskey for starters, for the taste of it.
09:07 < ripclaw> 25yrs bushmills single malt
09:07 < ripclaw> scol !
09:08 < DeElsasser> 05:26 DeElsasser in bed :p
09:09 < ripclaw> DeElsasser its not that bad.
09:09 < ripclaw> 05:26 ripclaw taking shower after getting up
09:09 < jsaw> am or pm?
09:09 < DeElsasser> lol
09:09 < ripclaw> local 2400z
09:10 < ripclaw> 20030909Z0526H
09:11 < ripclaw> anyway, gotta go to work.
09:11 < ripclaw> nice day everyone
09:11 < jsaw> cu, ripclaw 
09:12 < ripclaw> cu jsaw, cu DeElsasser
09:12 < DeElsasser> salut ripclaw
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09:13 < DeElsasser> jsaw: bibletime guru, what is the german catholik bible for bibletime?
09:13 < jsaw> DeElsasser: please rephrase
09:14 < jsaw> DeElsasser: do you mean, where to find, or the acronym, or?
09:15 < DeElsasser> witch of crosswire.org .de bibles is a catholik one?
09:15 < DeElsasser> .fr is only one, no problem ;-)
09:16 < jsaw> if u find "einheitsuebersetzung" somewhere, it's most probably a catholic one, wait lemma see...
09:17 < jsaw> DeElsasser: sorry, the GerEin is locked. 
09:17 < jsaw> DeElsasser: write them a letter to ask them to free it...
09:19 < DeElsasser> and from the unlocked, witch is evangelisch? (don't want a jehowa, or something like...)
09:20 < DeElsasser> Schlachter?
09:22 < jsaw> Schlachter, Elberfelder, Luther
09:23 < jsaw> I think "Hoffnung fuer Alle" is jehowa
09:23 < DeElsasser> THX
09:24 < jsaw> Elberfelder is closest to the original text
09:24 < jsaw> btw
09:25 < jsaw> But I don't know Schlachter that well...
09:25 < DeElsasser> a propos: bibletime 1.3 is out...
09:26 < jsaw> k. thanx.
09:34 < DeElsasser> must go see you this afternoon...
09:36 < jsaw> cu DeElsasser 
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10:30 < owl> hm. someone knows where to get the xfree86-development-libraries/headsers-package`
10:38 < _spectre_> I suppose they aren't under ftp.xfree86.org ...
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11:21 < nisma> hi to all,
11:22 < nisma> it's suitable fot the router target to save the config using diffs ?
11:25 < nisma> it's someon online ?
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13:05 < LocalHero> Hi all
13:09 < LocalHero> Huh nobody  here?
13:24 < dennis> hi LocalHero 
13:47 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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13:59 < owl> remoin
14:00 < daja77> re
14:00 < owl> O_o the first thing i'm seeing, after opening my eyes is an error 
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14:01 < owl> *g* and rxr is escaping by the word error
14:01 < owl> == 10:26:39 =[9]=> Building kde31/qt31 [3.1.2 2.0.0-rc2].
14:01 < owl> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
14:01 < owl> -> Preparing build in src.qt31.1063103198.7420.3184645157
14:01 < owl> -> Ignoring update mode sice package isn't installed already.
14:01 < owl> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-qt31.out
14:01 < owl> !> make[3]: *** [sub-mng] Error 2
14:01 < owl> !> make[3]: Leaving directory `/src/rock-build/src.qt31.106 ..
14:01 < owl> !> make[2]: *** [sub-imageformats] Error 2
14:01 < owl> !> make[2]: Leaving directory `/src/rock-build/src.qt31.106 ..
14:01 < owl> !> make[1]: *** [sub-plugins] Error 2
14:01 < owl> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/src/rock-build/src.qt31.106 ..
14:01 < owl> !> make: *** [init] Error 2
14:01 < owl> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-qt31.out -> 9-qt31.err
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14:01 < owl> == 09/09/03 11:03:34 =[9]=> Aborted building package qt31.
14:01 < owl> someone else has it? or is this error caused by my special luck?
14:01 < owl> wb rxr 
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14:27 < blindcoder> Error 2? File not found?
14:28 * blindcoder watching next episode of DNAngel
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14:42 < esden> good morning everyone
14:42 < daja77> good morning viet^Wesden
14:43 < esden> viet????
14:43 < daja77> nam
14:44 < esden> ahh ... ok ...
14:44 < esden> now I realize the connection
14:44 < daja77> :)
14:44 * -> esden shooting himself
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14:45 < daja77> esden: alive?
14:49 < daja77> damn
14:50 < esden> daja77: ?
14:51 < daja77> thought you killed yourself
14:51 < esden> hehe ... I am not owl ;-) *wave_over_to_owl*
14:51 < esden> ;)
14:54 * daja77 now converting cvs at work into subversion, finally
14:58 < rolla> re
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14:59 < daja77> hi rolla!
14:59 < rolla> hallo
15:04 < owl> uff. i'm sleeping again. gn8
15:05 < rolla> nacht
15:16 < esden> she is sleeping all the time?
15:16 < daja77> just like me
15:16 < esden> o_O
15:17 * daja77 slept almost the whole day, yesterday
15:17 < esden> daja77: everyone needs that from time to time
15:17 < esden> but for me it seems to be a rule for owl ...
15:17 < daja77> oh thx
15:18 < daja77> better than to hear that bein mortal stuff from mike
15:18 < esden> dunno understand ...
15:19 < daja77> don't worry
15:20 < nisma> 
15:21 < daja77> hm?
15:23 * blindcoder now exchanging the 250 Watt and 200 Watt PSUs in his machine with a 550 Watt PSU
15:24 < blindcoder> hmm... nah, I'll wait until the DL is finished
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15:33 < nisma> esden: hi, does the ppp utilitys and pam compiles under dietlibc ?
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16:00 < esden> nisma: have not tryed yet
16:00 < daja77> tried ...
16:00 < esden> I have tryed ppp but not tryed to fix it yet ... and it will be probably unpossible currently because pam uses dynamic loading, bucause of it's modules
16:01 < daja77> s/tryed/tried/g
16:01 < daja77> :)
16:01 < esden> thanks daja77 
16:01 < daja77> np
16:02 < nisma> dietlibc have one dynamic loader. Why it's impossible ?
16:03 < esden> because the dynamic loader did not work the last time I tryed it ... 
16:03 < esden> and my gcc patch is only for static linking ... I have not taken a deeper look in the workings of dynamic linking and do not really know what I have to change in the SPECS to make it working ...
16:04 < esden> dietlibc dynamic linking parts are named different then the dietlibc ones and the count is also different
16:04 < esden> I have to learn more about dynamic linking before I get it running
16:04 < esden> but currently there is a much bigger problem ... getting perl to work propperly under dietlibc
16:05 < esden> I got at least miniperl to compile ... but whet in tryes to execute it for config creation to build the real binary the miniperl binary coredumps
16:05 < esden> I have not found a solution for that yet
16:05 < esden> and spent the last night on it ... 
16:05 < esden> any help appreciated ;)
16:05 < daja77> *sigh* no chance to teach english to esden
16:06 < nisma> I have a patch for it. Currently it's on a backup, in two day i can send it to you.
16:06 < esden> yes sorry ... my english really has flaws ;)
16:06 < esden> nisma: yes that would be a real help
16:07 < nisma> Only tested to compile with ./configure --CC="diet\ cc"
16:07 < nisma> or similar.
16:07 < esden> that is ok ... that should help
16:08 < esden> and most importaint is the command you used to configure perl ... I mean the parameters you used for Configure
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16:14 < nisma> OK, you know, if someone has tested newlib for rocklinux ?
16:14 < esden> newlib?
16:15 < nisma> yes, it's the redhad response to uClib, i have hear good things from the lib.
16:16 < nisma> Network appls should be stable as with glibc. 
16:16 < daja77> rotfl, redhat's response to glibc would be funny
16:16 < nisma> The library is in use in many embedded devices running zebra's Ospf  
16:17 < nisma> and having no interoperability problem with cisco and other router's sellers.
16:19 * blindcoder now replacing the two PSUs with one PSU
16:19 < blindcoder> bbl
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16:20 < nisma> Probably i will make size comparsion with dynamically linked dietlibc and dynamically linked newlib for the router distro.
16:21 < nisma> I know, newlib is compile-clean without patches for the whole standard linux usarland apps.
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16:27 < nisma> what is you feeling about replacing init, inetd , getty  from the router distro with things similar to cisco router having the possibility to escape to the standard shell.
16:27 < nisma> The configuration must be saved in the cisco like shell.
16:29 < esden> it is possible ... but it may bring to light some problem in the design of rocklinux scripts ... and that may mean that we we need some restructuring ... but that is only a guess and may be not true ... 
16:30 < daja77> hm?
16:30 < esden> but that will be a nice muscle training for rock scripts ;)
16:30 < esden> daja77: the whole init process has to be replaced
16:30 < daja77> ack, minit :)
16:31 < esden> daja77: in no target it is like this .. perhups besides the bootdisk target but that is sort of different
16:31 < esden> daja77: I want minit in rock in the future
16:31 < daja77> me too
16:31 < esden> that is why there are the init script macro's
16:31 < daja77> bootiing rock in some second would just rock
16:31 < esden> they were created in the thought of making it possible to use different init systems transparently
16:31 < nisma> CISH (CIsco SHell) has it's own init, getty, inetd.
16:32 < esden> nisma: aaahh then it is _no_ problem
16:32 < daja77> why i read cisco hell in the first place
16:33 < esden> daja77: probably because the cisco shell is hell for an untrained user ...
16:34 < daja77> hehe maybe because of that
16:34 < esden> currently it still scares me of ... but I think that is only because I do not know it well
16:34 < nisma> Cish is a package not written by me, its a user cli interface clone from the cisco "hell".
16:34 < esden> nisma: I imagined that ;)
16:35 < nisma> I think , the scope of some router distro is to REPLACE real routers. receiving support from remote site
16:35 < esden> nisma: I am really eager to see that cisco target in the tree
16:35 < esden> I could use it for my router at home hopefully
16:35 < nisma> providers trained to use cisco routers.
16:36 < esden> there were cisco routers in the isp I worked for some time ago
16:36 < esden> theese things scare me off ... when I only see them ;)
16:37 < nisma> You can still make all the configuration in the usual way, but you must save it on the cisco interface.
16:37 < esden> they were menaging the two 32Mbit lines with load balancing fallback and stuff
16:37 < esden> it was nice 
16:37 < esden> but I better stayed at administrating ascend's ;)
16:38 < nisma> I'm know cisco router a lot, the great win is, that his have some unifyed configuration in one file.
16:38 < nisma> I know it, ascend are limited to simple rip routing and really simple nat.
16:40 < nisma> everything you make with ascend router, this can be replaced with the simples linux box using the weak routed daemon.
16:40 < esden> they were only the modem arrays for dialin ... and made authentication
16:40 < esden> that was really easy stuff
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16:43 < esden> nisma: clifford sent a mail to you over ml ;)
16:43 < nisma> Have you annother idea for configuration interface (there is a lot of application running under this common interface.)
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16:45 < esden> nope ... not really 
16:45 < esden> re blindcoder 
16:45 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:45 < esden> *hug*
16:46 < blindcoder> *rehug*
16:46 < daja77> what a love in this chan
16:46 * -> esden hugs daja77 too ;)
16:48 < daja77> esden: *rehug*
16:50 < daja77> cool converted cvs is at rev 1512
16:54 * blindcoder now off
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17:46 < esden> nisma: the missing docs of cish is very bad!
17:48 < nisma> I know, but i don't have it. 
17:49 < nisma> I can write a short HOWTO after the implementation.
17:50 < nisma> esden: ask, if you need help on the program
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17:52 * daja77 goin home, cu
17:58 < nisma> I have requested the docs from the original developers, if the emails are always valid.
17:58 < esden> nisma: sure
17:58 < nisma> I hope so.
17:59 < esden> that would be very cool if you would get that docs from them
17:59 < esden> you will maintain cish then?
17:59 < nisma> yes, 
18:00 < esden> it could go in the in the related projects section of rocklinux page then ;)
18:01 < esden> ahh 18 o'clock ... I can now go get some food
18:01 < esden> cu l8er
18:01 < nisma> the two emails are not valid. (madscience.nl), but i can contact someone else .
18:01 < SMP> cish sucks
18:01 < SMP> it would need major updates to play well with today's kernels
18:03 < SMP> the abstraction of kernel interface names to a more cisco-like naming is completely broken
18:05 < nisma> SMP: the guys from LRP have made this work. I have the source (on backup), but the work is done. The last version of Cish i know is 0.9.8d whith nat support. and works on 2.4 kernels.
18:05 < SMP> I just browsed the 0.9.0 source
18:06 < nisma> I know, but this version render the idea of this interface.
18:06 < SMP> nisma: have you ever worked with cisco IOS devices?
18:07 < nisma> yes,
18:08 < nisma> next year, i make the ccie exam (theretically already passed.)
18:08 < SMP> and with Juniper routers?
18:10 < nisma> no, only some occasionally contact, more with Unisphere ERX.
18:11 < SMP> I think the IOS CLI is only good if one does not know the JunOS cli
18:12 < nisma> what is the difference
18:12 < nisma> in short
18:16 < SMP> well first of all JunOS uses a transactional configuration system. you enter configure mode, make changes, request a diff against the running config or any previous version, when you're satisfied, you commit. if something breaks you can do a rollback
18:17 < SMP> when committing you can also request an automatic rollback to happen in case the commit causes your session to hang
18:17 < nisma> the commands and levels are similar to the cisco one ?
18:18 < SMP> no, the basic commands are similar, but not equal (they could not have improved it then, after all...) and the configuration looks entirely different (like BIND9)
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18:24 < netrunner> re
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18:26 < netrunner> grmbl.
18:28 < nisma> I have seen some examples. My point of view is the follow:
18:29 < nisma> It's more easy to build a router using cisco cli because you can plug in zebra (cisco cli compatible) and implement some missing
18:29 < nisma> commands in order to have a complete looking cisco router.
18:30 < SMP> zebra is a problem of a different kind :-(
18:31 < nisma> The advantage of cish is that the configuration can be read from the actual state of linux reading the appropiate interfaces.
18:31 < nisma> So you can configure the system using normal linux commands as example and save/restore one cisco like configuration.
18:32 < SMP> iproute2 and sysctl can do the same
18:32 < nisma> The JunOS interface can be added later, 
18:33 < SMP> no wait 
18:33 < SMP> my point is that an IOS (or JunOS) interface is pointless by itself
18:34 < nisma> It's true, the principal advantage is that you can gain support or give them debug/access to the linux system
18:34 < SMP> apropos debug ...
18:35 < nisma> that is familiar to the most router admins. (there are not linux familiar, especially from the telkos.
18:35 < SMP> an incomplete interface makes debugging hard - one would have to use a shell in that case
18:37 < SMP> I am not against a high level-interface - in fact I would welcome one
18:37 < nisma> with cish, you can read any log messages. tcpdump must be integrated.
18:39 < nisma> I don't meen replace completly the shell interface. cish have a already working way of saving/restoring configuration file (one file). which i plan to use. If you or I prefer to use bash or cish to configure something is annother story.
18:41 < SMP> ok, as I said, I'm not against such a thing, but I don't think cish is sane enough right now from what I have seen
18:41 < nisma> With cish, zebra ... you have one interface whitch look like the real ciscos. 
18:43 < nisma> I plan to extend cish for routing maps, ppp, tcpdump ... to have almost 70% of cisco's commands.
18:44 < nisma> cish is nice because is have a snmp integration, shell extendibility and the levels and help system (cli parser) are already coded.
18:45 < nisma> why invent the wheel alvays new.
18:46 < SMP> ok, I'm looking forward to your improved version ;)
18:47 < esden> re hi all
18:47 < nisma> The principal question is: is the linux community willing to use such a CLI ?
18:47 < SMP> your targeted userbase is not the linux community
18:49 < nisma> yes and no, it's hard gaining support from telco/provider not having cisco/... but linux. This is the principal reason, why linux is not so mutch used as router on dedicated lines.
18:52 < nisma> zebra is a new routing daemon (replacing gated) using cisco like cli interface.
18:53 < nisma> SMP: thanks for the chat. now i must go away. cu
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19:24 < rxr> re
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19:27 < esden> re rxr 
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19:46 < daja77> re
19:46 < cytrinox_> wb daja77
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19:48 < daja77> thx cytrinox 
19:55 < daja77> urgs, lurker destroyed rxr's nice reply to that html mail
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20:10 < holyolli> moin
20:11 < daja77> huhu holyolli 
20:11 < holyolli> huhu daja77
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20:26 < rammi> hi
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20:37 < rxr> re
20:42 < daja77> hi ram& rxr
20:42 < daja77> rammi
20:44 < rxr> daja77: this reply was not specially crafted by me - it is the usual way my mailer displays them :-)
20:45 < daja77> lol, cool
20:45 < daja77> but lurker messed it up :(
20:50 < rxr> yes just took a look - the usual HTML space uniting thing ...
20:51 < rxr> it is not exactly lurker ...
20:53 < daja77> there is a verbatim tag for html, no?
20:56 < holyolli> cu
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21:20 < owl> remoin
21:34 < rolla> diesel ?
21:34 < daja77> hm?
21:35 < rolla> nothing
21:35 < daja77> my car has a diesel engine, yes ...
21:35 < rolla> you drive?
21:35 < daja77> yes
21:35 < rolla> ??
21:35 < rolla> hand brakes?
21:36 < daja77> hand brakes and gas
21:36 < rolla> :)
21:36 < daja77> :)
21:36 < rolla> what kind is it
21:36 < daja77> ford transit
21:38 < rxr> daja77: does www.ikea.de crash you konqueror?
21:40 < rolla> ah
21:40 < daja77> yepp
21:40 < rxr> which konqueror version?
21:41 < daja77> 3.1.2
21:41 < rxr> ah - with this konqi it also crashes for x86 on Verena's box
21:41 < rxr> with 3.1.3 on PowerPC it works for me ...
21:41 < daja77> fine >_<
21:41 * rxr installing 3.1.3 on x86 to verify ...
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21:42 < dreamind> Hi
21:43 < daja77> hi dreamind 
21:43 < dreamind> hi daja77
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21:50 < rxr> yepp kde*-3.1.3 fixes soem DOM parsing issues
21:51 < rxr> work on x86, too
21:51 < daja77> ah k.
21:51 < daja77> that reminds me testing rc1 a bit more
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21:55 < rammi> hi
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21:59 < dreamind> re
22:04 < rammi> can someon give me a link to some nice rock linux screenshots?
22:19 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/drock/screens.html
22:19 < rxr> there are also some on www.rocklinux.org - but not that colorful
22:20 < rxr> the .net/people/rene are files that are current in the state to eb converted - and will vanish in the next time - do you need a stable URL for future use?
22:21 < rammi> yes
22:22 < rammi> i seen your screen's .. very nice :)
22:27 < rxr> you need a stable URL for reference?
22:27 < rammi> yap
22:28 < rxr> hm - ok I put in on the top of my TODO ...
22:28 < rxr> for what do you need it?
22:29 < rammi> link.. to the screenshots?
22:29 < rxr> yes - where are you planing to use the url?
22:29 < rammi> to put on my web page.. if you allowed.
22:30 < rammi> i love screenshots :) ..
22:30 < rammi> i am making a new rock button for my page to.. 
22:32 < rxr> rammi: a
22:32 < rxr> rammi: I'll migrate this site soon ...
22:34 < rammi> ok
22:39 < rxr> oh this are many patches on the list ...
22:43 < esden> re hi all
22:43 * -> esden fell asleep somehow
22:44 < daja77> hi esden 
22:44 < daja77> me too
22:44 < rammi> hi.. 
22:44 < daja77> we'll if i can at least start a new build this night
22:52 < daja77> rxr: should i send src/Download-Errors via mail?
22:53 < esden> thanks rxr for applying my patches
22:54 < esden> please bug be if there are any related problems
22:54 < daja77> but the esden can never be buggered at all ... :)
22:55 * daja77 just remembering the hedgehog song
22:55 < esden> rxr: could you integrate dietlibc target in your regresston tester somehow ?
22:56 < daja77> esden: i could test dietlibc target if you like
22:57 < esden> that would be nice ... if you would make the work to try installing it and report all problems you see would be also nice ... and there are many problems ... 
22:58 < daja77> ;-)
22:58 < esden> but perhups I oversaw something
22:58 < daja77> yeah could test it on my notebook
22:58 < A-Tui> daja77: have you seen Mike lately?
22:59 < daja77> last week iirc
22:59 < rxr> esden: sure the dietlibc target can also be added ...
22:59 < A-Tui> ok, thanks
23:00 < daja77> A-Tui: you know that he left rock?
23:00 < A-Tui> errrrr no
23:00 < A-Tui> i have new translated docs
23:01 < A-Tui> from the last svn version
23:01 < daja77> guess sending a patch to ml would be good
23:01 < esden> rxr: it is not so big so that it would not make the regression test very much longer to run ...
23:01 < daja77> esden: hmm ok will do some testing on generic first
23:01 < rxr> esden: it does not matter that much if it takes that much longer ...
23:02 < A-Tui> daja77: ok, then i will send a patch tomorrow
23:02 < rxr> esden: and I still hope ripclaw still wants to spondor new DDR RAM for the server - that would speedup the build significantly ...
23:03 < esden> rxr: yes that for sure ... you are using tempfs for building?
23:03 < rxr> esden: nope to fragile - that is a production server
23:03 < esden> ahh ok
23:04 < rxr> but currently the box runs underclocked - due to old DDR-200 ram - for 333Mhy FSB I need DDR-333 RAM ...
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23:04 < rxr> esden: you noticed on the list that the server blow up - and I just exchanged the CPU and MB - leaving the old RAM ...
23:04 < esden> right then inserting new ram would speed up it very much
23:04 < daja77> btw do we have a current i18n maintainer?
23:05 < rxr> daja77:  nope - SMP did much stuff on it
23:05 < SMP> I think he means rock-doc i18n
23:05 < rxr> esden: yes - it would make a real Athlon-XP 2500+ out od the currently runnin as 1700+ ..
23:05 < daja77> yes
23:05 * -> esden should also buy new cpu MB and ram ... I still run sdram dimms
23:05 < esden> ;)
23:08 < rammi> night.. cu guys
23:08 < esden> night rammi 
23:08 < daja77> night rammi 
23:10 < A-Tui> time to bed, buenas noches all 
23:11 < daja77> buenas noches A-Tui 
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23:17 < SMP> rxr: please don't apply Dimitar's devfsd-force-ch.diff yet
23:24 < owl> haeh? vim download/Mirror --> "none"  doesn't work?
23:25 < esden> hehe ... funny ... I probably get access to a xeon 3.06GHZ x 4 with a big raid for building rock!
23:25 < owl> *gnarf* where?
23:26 < esden> with 4GB ram ;)
23:27 < esden> at my university when I start working there as sysadmin for one chair I stay in good contact with ;)
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23:28 < esden> they get new machines as desktop and that nasty big server for state machine model checking
23:28 < daja77> esden: cool!
23:29 < esden> if I get that job I will be allowed to rock all that systems ;)
23:29 < esden> and that will also mean that I will be playing with that stuff too ;)
23:34 < owl> .oO(gotd, what a sleeping hamster... it is ckonkurrenz for me)
23:37 < esden> owl: please use dict ... thanks ;)
23:37 < owl> i'm downloding... --> no bandwith left for dict
23:37 < daja77> don't sleep and type ;)
23:38 < owl> sleep and type? O_o
23:38 < owl> removing `download/jsaw/eterm16/libast-20030820.tar.bz2.cksum-err'
23:38 < owl> removing `download/sirkull/dcc/dcc-dccd-1.2.1.tar.Z.extck-err'
23:38 < owl> removing `download/xfce4/xfprint/xfprint-3.99.3.tar.gz.cksum-err'
23:38 < esden> owl: OFYI it is called competition not konkurenz
23:38 < esden> +r
23:38 < owl> jaja
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23:38 < owl> download/jsaw/eterm16/libast-20030820.tar.bz2
23:38 < owl> download/mnemoc/mod_mono/mod_mono-0.4.tar.bz2
23:38 < owl> download/mnemoc/mono-doc/monodoc-0.6.tar.bz2
23:38 < owl> download/mnemoc/mono-xsp/xsp-0.5.tar.bz2
23:38 < owl> download/mnemoc/mono/mono-0.26.tar.bz2
23:38 < owl> download/mnemoc/mono/mcs-0.26.tar.bz2
23:38 < owl> download/rene/sylpheed/sylpheed-0.9.5.tar.bz2
23:39 < owl> download/sirkull/dcc/dcc-dccd-1.2.1.tar.Z
23:39 < owl> download/xfce4/xfprint/xfprint-3.99.3.tar.bz2
23:39 < owl> ^^^ not really funny... the file-list-of-missing-files-and-stuff
23:39 < esden> owl is flooding the channel ;)
23:39 < owl> sure - want to be on the channel-stats on top *har*
23:40 < daja77> no chance to beat esden
23:40 < owl> we will see... 
23:40 < owl> *gnarf* i'm hating isdn
23:41 < esden> and so by the way ... dict has very spare design so does need only very negligible amount of bandwith
23:41 < owl> *lol* with isdn & download --> horrible
23:42 < daja77> you meant http://dictt.tu-chemnitz.de ;-)
23:42 < daja77> -t
23:44 < owl> <-- sleeping. gn8
23:44 < daja77> n8 owl 
23:45 < esden> daja77: I mean dict.leo.org
23:45 < daja77> well anyway, the other url works fine too :)
23:46 < esden> not with the double t in dict ;)
23:46 < daja77> :P
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