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00:11 < owl> gnarf. re
00:12 < daja77> wb *beg*
00:12 < owl> beg??? sorry... i'm too tired to think
00:13 < daja77> vbeg without v
00:13 < owl> ah so..
00:13 < owl> but why are you grinsing evil?
00:13 < owl> (god, my english is great...)
00:14 < daja77> just for fun
00:14 < owl> daja77: *kick*
00:14 * daja77 got kicked to bed
00:14 < daja77> cu
00:15 < owl> *g* bye, gn8 daja77 
00:29 < esden> gn8 daja77 
00:29 < esden> rxr: when do you plan to create the wiki svn tree?
00:32 < SMP> not until some time after 2.0 release, I hop
00:32 < SMP> hope
00:34 < rxr> yes after 2.0
00:37 < rxr> we also have to do some work to have some automatics arround this
00:37 < rxr> clifford mentioned to use an external database and a web interface for this
00:37 < rxr> I do not like this - and also do not want a web interface
00:39 < rxr> I also do not want to have some db attached shakily - I want all the meta information in subversion - best as properties ...
00:46 < rxr> SMP: what was with the cdrom device chmod thing?
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00:48 < esden> rxr: good thanks for the info
00:48 < esden> very well we have sodipodi in rock 
00:48 * -> esden running emerge ;)
00:49 < rxr> esden: oh I did not took a look on sodipodi for some months - could you update it when you are at it ?
00:55 < esden> rxr: sure
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01:12 < rxr> me to bed - cu
01:15 < esden> n8 rxr 
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06:08 < mnemoc> wb kiki
06:20 < acm_kiki> hallo mnemoc
06:46 < blindcoder> mornin' everyone
06:47 < mnemoc> moin bc
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09:24 < [anders]> moin
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09:46 < esden> moin
09:59 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:10 < esden> hehe I have my lcd back online ... 
10:10 < esden> besides the backlight ... that needs some resoldiering ;)
10:12 < daja77> moin
10:12 < esden> moin daja77 
10:12 * -> esden plugging in soldiering iron ;)
10:13 < daja77> huhu esden :)
10:14 < daja77> iron man ...
10:16 < blindcoder> moin moin daja77 
10:17 < daja77> moin blindy
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10:27 < esden> ok ready
10:30 < blindcoder> esden: you should better go to uni and learn something :)
10:37 < esden> I have written papers for my talks tomorrow the whole night ... so I can now have some fun ;)
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10:39 < daja77> err fun alone, with yourself?
10:41 < esden> yup
10:41 < esden> that is possible ;-)
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10:44 < blindcoder> I don't want to even start thinking about that sentence
10:45 * daja77 neither
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11:05 < esden> waaaaahhhhh what is going on ... perl is compiling ...
11:05 * -> esden falls of the chair
11:05 < daja77> hehe
11:06 < esden> that is simply unpossible that it compiles
11:06 < esden> I have done nothing ... really nothing
11:14 < rxr> re
11:20 < esden> re rxr 
11:20 < esden> why is nisma gone !!! >_<
11:27 < esden> ok make minitest yelds errors in numeric tests ... that is what has to have been expected ...
11:27 < esden> the conversion from numbers to strings is broken ... 
11:27 < esden> it is for sure a bug in dietlibc libm
11:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
11:47 * blindcoder just got one good and one half-good piece of information
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12:22 < rxr> esden: you modifications for e.g. e2fsprogs do not work for the non-dietlibc case!
12:22 < rxr> and this pkg specific options in e.g. e2fsprogs and zlib are not really clean
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12:23 < rxr> could you make those pkg_*_pre.conf files?
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13:09 < owl> moin
13:09 < owl> god, is this school senseless!!! *SCREAM*
13:37 < blindcoder> ack
13:41 < jsaw_> re
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14:21 < rxr> hi jsaw 
14:21 < rxr> Freak: you noticed that I have soem ppc isos out?
14:21 < Freak> nah
14:21 < Freak> but I was thinking about the thing..
14:21 < Freak> because
14:22 < Freak> the thing is
14:22 < Freak> I want it to be adjusted to my machine.
14:22 < Freak> if I install something precompiled now I can just stick with debian.
14:23 < rxr> Freak: sure - but it is faw esier to build ROCK on ROCK then on some broken debian ...
14:24 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/
14:24 < rxr> and I would have feedback to release the ISOs officially ...
14:28 < Freak> rxr: my debian aint broken ;P
14:28 < Freak> but lets not talk about it.
14:28 < Freak> I'll get them.
14:30 < rxr> Freak: you do not see it - but compiling rock would yield many broken applications (sed, awk, bash) that do corrupt things here and there.
14:30 < Freak> hum
14:31 < rxr> been there - done that ...
14:32 < jsaw> hi rxr
14:34 < rxr> Freak: it is even worser on SuSE where even the normal user notice that those fundametal programs got patched into a non-working state ...
14:34 < rxr> jsaw: hi
14:40 < Freak> rxr: what do you mean?
14:41 < esden> rxr: that is right that not all things work for non dietlibc systems ... some of them are still dirty hacks
14:41 < esden> it needs time so I have that patches clean
14:41 < esden> argh I missed nisma once more >_<
14:42 < esden> rxr: why should I do pkg_*_pre.conf files?
14:45 < rxr> because it is not clean to munch the normal package config files with dietlibc if's ...
14:45 < rxr> for e.g. e2fsprogs and libz ...
14:46 < rxr> esden: but I can also clean this if you like / prefer
14:46 < esden> so you prefere that I have half a ton of pkg_*_pre files in dietibc package directory ... that is much less clean if you ask me
14:47 < rxr> it is much cleaner because you do not have chaos in the normal files
14:47 < esden> I really prefere to have everything in one place in reusable code form and not that I have to create redundant code
14:48 < rxr> and btw if I read them correct they now are broken for a normal build ...
14:48 < esden> hurgh ... moment ...
14:48 < esden> ahh you mean the confopt stuff
14:48 < esden> right ... ok
14:48 < esden> that should be in the pre file
14:49 < esden> and same for zlib
14:49 * blindcoder whistles innocently
14:49 < esden> rxr: yes it is broken for a normal build ... now I see it ... I have not seen it before
14:50 < esden> sorry
14:50 * -> esden was blinded
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14:50 < esden> hi fake 
14:50 < fake> hi
14:51 * -> esden was faster *GG*
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14:51 < rxr> esden: and 4 more dietlibc/pkg_xyz_pre.conf files are not such a burden ...
14:51 < esden> yes yes ... sure
14:51 < daja77> hi fake
14:52 < blindcoder> hi fake
14:52 < fake> ah, blindcoder back from vacation
14:53 < blindcoder> fake: sure :-) since Saturday night
14:53 < blindcoder> Currently pushing the work of updating nethack, scmxx and SDL in front of me...
14:54 < daja77> *gg* blindcoder -> lazycoder 
14:54 * daja77 hides
14:54 * blindcoder acks daja :-)
14:56 < blindcoder> btw. I've heard rumors of gnome 2.4 being released this evening...
14:58 < rolla> already done
14:59 < daja77> hi rolla
14:59 < blindcoder> oh
15:01 < rolla> :)
15:02 < rolla> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/003/software/gnome-2.4/gnome2.4-1.html
15:07 < daja77> cool that article is from one of the mdlug guys
15:16 < rxr> esden: can I expect this dietlibc improvements soon - or should I fix them ... ?
15:31 * blindcoder going home
15:35 < esden> rxr ... I will send the patches as soon as possible
15:36 < esden> rxr: will we update gnome before 2.0? 
15:38 * daja77 hopes so
15:39 < esden> I have found some problems with the current gnome2 packages this night .. I played a bit with it .. and somehow is theming broken
15:40 < esden> the themes are not being found ... but it may be a problem because it is a box that was updated to rc1 and not a clean rc1 install
15:40 < esden> galeon is segfaulting so by the way in rc1
15:41 < daja77> hmm and epiphany?
15:41 < esden> have not tested
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16:02 < esden> ok ... reading that article about gnome 2.4 convinces me more and more that we _have_ to update
16:03 < esden> before 2.0
16:10 < jsaw> esden: I'm at it.
16:10 < jsaw> just extracted all source, that are still missing in gnome from garnome yesterday...
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16:16 < rxr> svn is now down for maintenance
16:18 < esden> jsaw: very well
16:18 * -> esden tested epiphany now ... it is not crashing at least ;)
16:18 < esden> but somehow the toolbar was not on by default and the statusbar also
16:19 < esden> and I can not find the place where I can configure the size of the icons and the textonly/iconsonly option
16:19 < esden> we have a too old version of epiphany?
16:20 < esden> so that it is not containing so much HIGed yet?
16:21 < esden> so that it is not containing so much HIG work yet?
16:21 < rxr> esden: feel free to update
16:21 < rxr> btw I update sodipodi today
16:22 < esden> rxr: sodipodi is crashing when trying to import a graphic
16:22 < esden> that is why I have not sent an update yet
16:22 < esden> I will try it on my laptop in a moment to see if it has to do with my broken main machine
16:23 < esden> or not
16:25 < esden> ok in the older version it works perfectly ... now I update on my laptop
16:30 < rxr> ok - me dumping svn databases ...
16:35 < owl> rehi
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16:38 < fake> owl: re
16:38 < fake> owl: how was religion?
16:38 < fake> *g*
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16:50 < daja77> *yeah* damn bug eliminated
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16:55 < esden> rxr: the new sodipodi is crashing when you try to import an image ...
16:55 < esden> that is checked now
17:08 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
17:10 < daja77> hmm has anyone tested 2nd_stage_small with rc1 ?
17:10 < esden> yes it boots ... but that is all
17:11 < daja77> oh
17:11 < esden> I have tested
17:11 < daja77> so install doesn't work?
17:11 < esden> I have not tested that
17:11 < esden> I only checked if it boots
17:11 < daja77> hmm ic
17:11 < esden> because I remembered that it did not even boot the last time I checked
17:12 < owl> hi
17:12 < owl> oeh? wtf is that? 
17:12 < owl>  svn co svn://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/trunk
17:12 < owl> svn: Connection refused
17:12 < owl> svn: Can't connect to host 'schillernet.dyndns.org'
17:12 < esden> hmm anjuta is nice
17:12 < mnemoc> rxr is down :)
17:12 < esden> I will create some tool for rock with it I planned for a long time and see if it is usable ;)
17:13 < owl> ah. k. thx. 
17:13 < owl> which tool for rock?
17:13 < esden> owl: read scrollback ;)
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17:13 < esden> owl: that is a surprise ;)
17:13 < holyolli> moin
17:13 < owl> esden: nah. i won't
17:13 < daja77> owl: subversion is down for maintainance
17:13 < owl> k
17:13 < owl> (and when up again?)
17:13 < blindcoder> owl: as rxr said at 16:17 it is now down for upgrade to a new version
17:13 < esden> and I will have lot of offline time in poland 
17:14 < esden> so I can do such things
17:15 * blindcoder ponders what he should do right now
17:15 < esden> play around with applications ;)
17:15 < blindcoder> a) watch anime
17:15 * -> esden currently switched his laptop to a gnome monster ;)
17:15 < blindcoder> b) work on ROCK
17:15 < blindcoder> c) go to the gym
17:16 < blindcoder> c) play some games
17:16 < esden> c1
17:16 < esden> ;)
17:16 < holyolli> blindcoder: oh...gym for geeks...? ;-)
17:16 < blindcoder> e) wear some of my cool new clothe and spend some money in the next pub
17:16 < blindcoder> f) drink a coffee
17:17 < blindcoder> g) drink some sake
17:17 < blindcoder> hm... too many choices
17:17 < daja77> blindcoder: b) :)
17:17 < owl> was i there on 16? i wasn't - so where should i know that from?
17:18 < blindcoder> daja77: hmm... that'll be hard cause I'm currently building ROCK for esden
17:18 * -> esden sees a real hill of things that he has to do for rock ... that really scares me
17:18 < blindcoder> and he won't be happy if I change something during his build :-)
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17:18 < daja77> hehe ic
17:18 < esden> blindcoder: use an other tree ...
17:18 < blindcoder> esden: svn is down
17:18 < esden> ahh yes right
17:18 < blindcoder> and I currently have only my own tree next to your clean one
17:18 * -> esden forgot about that 
17:18 < blindcoder> :)
17:19 < daja77> blindcoder: the backup svn should be online
17:19 < esden> yes the gsmp one or how it is called
17:19 < blindcoder> hm... I guess I have to chop down on choices
17:19 < daja77> yepp
17:19 < blindcoder> so I'll now have a coffee and then see again :-)
17:19 < blindcoder> brb
17:19 < daja77> cu
17:21 * daja77 testing 2nd stage small
17:21 < daja77> stone: comman not found *grml*
17:21 < daja77> command
17:23 < daja77> should add this to flyspray
17:24 < esden> stone is obviously too big for small 2nd stage
17:25 < daja77> O_o
17:25 < daja77> well then there shouldn't be a message, just type stone now
17:27 < daja77> am I blind, or is there no login button in flyspray
17:29 < daja77> ok i was blind
17:31 < daja77> oh nice login doesn't work
17:32 < rxr> reloading dbs ...
17:33 < daja77> any known problems with flyspray login?
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17:35 < mnemoc> daja77: look below or logoff first :)
17:36 < daja77> i found it, it says login successful, but showing me the same crap like before when finished
17:36 < daja77> in short, i can't do anything there
17:36 < mnemoc> cookies?
17:36 < mnemoc> Logged in as - mnemoc 
17:37 < daja77> ah cookies could not enabled, damn konqueror, trying with mozilla
17:39 < daja77> hehe, mozilla remembered login from last time, forgot that i used mozilla for that
17:39 < mnemoc> hehe
17:46 < daja77> ok adding task :)
17:57 < esden> god I have luck ... Yesterday as I wanted to go hunting it was also raining ... >_<
17:57 < daja77> sun shines here ;-)
18:00 < esden> 18 o'clock I am off for food
18:00 < holyolli> esden: happy mampfing ;-)
18:00 * daja77 too
18:08 * fake twiddling around with mysql
18:09 < rxr> daja77: konqueror works fine here ...
18:19 < rxr> svn up again
18:19 < rxr> test checkout running ..
18:20 < holyolli> seems to work...
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18:23 < rxr> hm - seems to be a bit faster
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18:39 < esden> re hi all
18:40 < esden> grrrr the newest anjuta crashes >_<
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18:41 < nisma> hi esden
18:42 < esden> hi nisma 
18:42 < esden> finally you are together here
18:43 < esden> I have run the make minitest
18:43 < nisma> and
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18:43 < esden> it yelds that test num is failing
18:44 < Freak> re *wiping his eyes*
18:44 < esden> the test number 9, 34, 44 and 45
18:44 < esden> with following errors:
18:44 < esden> not ok 9 # 10.009999999999999
18:45 < nisma> you must complete the test manually, 4 tests fails, because the dietlibc have one round error in printf G args.
18:45 < esden> (the code is : $a = 10.01; print $a eq "10.01")
18:45 < esden> and the others are simmilar
18:46 < esden> what do you mean that I have to complete the test manually?
18:46 < nisma> this is "normal". I have used one printf implementation from the net and the error are gone away, but the printf
18:47 < nisma> i mean, the minitest abort on math error and the ulterior tests does not complete.
18:48 < nisma> in the perl dir, you must go in the "t" subdirectory and execute ./perl xxx/*.t manually to be sure, that the restant code are error free
18:49 < nisma> there can be some nasty error with io / network that you don't test, because the tests abort on the first error (math).
18:50 < esden> yes I have now commented out the die that is being invoked when a test fails
18:50 < esden> that should also do the thing
18:50 < nisma> the rest compleet without errors ?
18:51 < esden> t/op/sprintf.........FAILED at test 0
18:51 < esden> for example
18:51 < esden> there are many more
18:52 < esden> I do not have Config.pm because miniperl crashes when I try to create it
18:52 < esden> that produces many more errors
18:53 < nisma> I had only the 4 math tests errors.
18:53 < nisma> I must tgz the source, and sending it to you, because i have made some adjustements in config.sh 
18:54 < nisma> and then invoked ./Configure -der to propagate the config.sh in the subdirs.
18:54 < esden> ahh please do not do that ... please do that over the -D options of Configure
18:54 < esden> that is what I need 
18:55 < nisma> I must make diff from the original sources to make this.
18:55 < nisma> I must download it from internet.
18:57 < nisma> For the math problem "printf("%G"), what you thing to do ? fix dietlibc or use annother source (.o) to resolv it.
18:57 < esden> please do so, you remember at least vague what definitions you have changed by hand
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18:57 < esden> we should fix that in dietlibc and send patch to fefe
18:57 < esden> that is what I think is the best
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18:58 < esden> but is more work then replacing the printf function
18:58 < nisma> one moment, pls.
19:00 < esden> k
19:05 < daja77> rxr: i still have 3.1.2 maybe it was broken there
19:06 * A-Tui is away: Satanás el Infierno es demasiado dulce
19:06 < daja77> :)
19:10 < nisma> re
19:11 < daja77> wb nisma 
19:11 < nisma> what version of busybox you use
19:12 < nisma> esden: have you made a patch for modf ( not part of dietlibc, but needed by perl)
19:13 * blindcoder back
19:14 < esden> nisma: yes I have
19:15 < esden> nisma: I do not use busybox
19:19 < nisma> sorry: dietlibc 
19:21 < esden> the latest one the 22
19:24 < nisma> i must finish annother thing, after that, i fix dietlibc and send the config to you.
19:25 < esden> perfect!! thanks nisma 
19:25 < esden> I also have to do some other work >_<
19:29 * A-Tui is back (gone 00:23:09)
19:35 < esden> debug-perl5:[perl-5.8.0]# ./miniperl -Ilib t/comp/script.t
19:35 < esden> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
19:35 < esden> not good ...
19:35 < esden> *sigh*
19:36 < esden> many segfaults ... I hope that the printf fix will make it go
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19:45 < Nebukadneza> is there rock for sparc?
19:45 < daja77> think so
19:45 < Nebukadneza> hum ... what about space? i need a minimalistic sys for apache and proftpd ...
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19:47 < esden> not installable yet
19:47 < esden> @ Nebukadneza 
19:48 < Nebukadneza> wha
19:48 < Nebukadneza> shit!
19:48 < Nebukadneza> hum
19:48 < esden> nobody is working on that port with high priority ... rxr is doing it when he is bored ;)
19:48 < Nebukadneza> lol
19:48 < Nebukadneza> okay
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20:13 < rxr> Nebukadneza: what SPARC - old - or newer Ultra SPARC?
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20:20 < blindcoder> uwacha...  
20:20 < blindcoder> my mldonkey is eating up >256 MB of RAM ...
20:20 < holyolli_> blindcoder: did you read heise-news? on monday they'll shut down one of the bigger ed-servers
20:21 * holyolli_ is wondering how this will have an impact on the ed-performance...
20:21 < blindcoder> well, I'm on anime-servers which usually have lower people (~2000)
20:21 -!- holyolli_ is now known as holyolli
20:21 < holyolli> ah
20:21 < blindcoder> the biggest ones I know have around 50k to 500k
20:21 < blindcoder> (yes that's fifty and five hundred thousand)
20:21 < blindcoder> besides, I don't read heise
20:21 < holyolli> *g*
20:22 < blindcoder> they're talking too much crap
20:22 < holyolli> ack. even the magazina is getting worse and worse...
20:23 < blindcoder> if it's only silent-bob
20:24 < blindcoder> then it seems some people didn't get how ed is working
20:26 < blindcoder> it has a far greater impact that more and more people are moving to bittorrent
20:28 < holyolli> y?
20:29 < blindcoder> simple: less users, less sources
20:29 < blindcoder> but: one big server gone -> people connect to other servers
20:29 < blindcoder> it simply doesn't matter if several servers fail
20:29 < blindcoder> at least for anime, that is ^^
20:30 < holyolli> hehe
20:30 < blindcoder> and the rest I don't really cre about
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20:59 < fake> re
21:04 < esden> ha ... now anjuta should work
21:04 < esden> re fake 
21:04 < esden> compiling once more ...
21:05 * -> esden continues writing slides for tomorow meanwhile
21:34 < netrunne1> re
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21:34 < netrunner> does it work when I cat /var/spool/mail/andreas | procmail
21:35 < Nebukadneza> rxr: a old SPARCstation2
21:36 < rxr> Nebukadneza: oh - cool - just the thing that found a new place near my desk ...
21:37 < rxr> , too
21:37 < Nebukadneza> hehe
21:37 < Nebukadneza> i got it for 9Eur from somebody from the usenet *lol*
21:41 < Nebukadneza> rxr: what do you think wich distri is the best for a minimalistic ftp/http server?
21:42 < SMP> Nebukadneza: OpenBSD/sparc
21:43 < mnemoc> hi stefanp@pr.rocklinux.org =(
21:43 < Nebukadneza> bsd on sparc?
21:43 < Nebukadneza> hum
21:45 < rxr> Nebukadneza: ROCK too, when I found some time to setup the boot stuff ... - but hm - the S2 will not have a CD-ROM anway, or has yours'
21:45 < Nebukadneza> hope ...
21:45 < Nebukadneza> nope
21:45 < Nebukadneza> but i have a old extern scsi cd from sgi *G*
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21:47 < mnemoc> where kernel modules not build by linux package should go? misc/ or the 'right' net/foo... ?
21:47 < tsa> hi all
21:47 < mnemoc> wb tsa
21:48 * netrunner catching up with inet after 1week no inet at home 
21:50 < rxr> mnemoc: misc
21:50 < SMP> mnemoc: whereever you want - depending on the type of driver, but probably not under kernel/
21:52 < tsa> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch bsd-games-2.14 | patch -p0
21:52 < tsa> tested.
21:54 < rxr> tsa: I reverted your dialog update - the new version sucks as hell
21:54 < tsa> hm...ok
21:54 < rxr> even leaves the terminal in a unuseful state after exit!
21:54 < tsa> ok, that's not too good.
21:56 < fake> Nebukadneza: did someone say SGI?
21:56 < Nebukadneza> jep
21:56 < Nebukadneza> :)
21:56 < rxr> tsa: bsd-games are at 2.14 ...
21:56 < Nebukadneza> and sun ...
21:57 < fake> Nebukadneza: just a CD-ROM or anything to connect it to from the same vendor?
21:58 < fake> rxr: mips32-eb static version of svn coming somewhen around the weekend
21:58 < Nebukadneza> lemme see ... i got a sgi monitor, a sgi mouse, a sgi keyboard ... no 2, a sgi scsi cddrive, and some AUI network adapters ... 2 crunched indys and a crunched indigo
21:58 < fake> rxr: mips32-el will have a longer delay... 
21:59 < fake> Nebukadneza: echo $CRUNCHED
22:00 < rxr> Nebukadneza: maybe s.th. crunched you could donate?
22:00 < Nebukadneza> hehe
22:00 < rxr> fake: cool!
22:00 < fake> rxr: you are into PDAs?
22:00 < Nebukadneza> rxr: they are not mine ... not at all :)
22:01 < fake> rxr: i have that cassiopeia e-125 here and i damn can't get it to boot any kernel..
22:01 < fake> rxr: mips vr4122
22:01 < fake> s,mips,nec,
22:01 < fake> of course it is mips ;)
22:01 < fake> it would be as fast as the challenge s mhz-wise *g*
22:02 < Nebukadneza> <-- loves anything else than x86
22:03 < rxr> fake: only occationally - I have a ARM powered PSION Revo here ...
22:03 < Nebukadneza> challenge -> kawaii
22:03 < rxr> Nebukadneza: you are not alone here ...
22:03 < Nebukadneza> huh?
22:03 < rxr> Nebukadneza: prefering everything nuz x86 ...
22:03 < Nebukadneza> ah
22:03 < Nebukadneza> ok
22:03 < Nebukadneza> hehe
22:03 < Nebukadneza> but the point is: 
22:03 < rxr> s/nux/buz/ ...
22:04 * Nebukadneza got no money :(
22:04 < rxr> damn - anzway ...
22:04 < tsa> $ uname -m
22:04 < tsa> sun4u
22:04 < Nebukadneza> in holland there are 2 sgi origin 3200 for sell ... 10Usd each
22:04 < Nebukadneza> the got newer *G*
22:04 < tsa> how do you know? have an URL?
22:05 < Nebukadneza> no url
22:05 < Nebukadneza> but i can get the fone number
22:05 < tsa> hehe..no, thanks ;)
22:06 < SMP> holy fucking shit
22:06 < Nebukadneza> a brother of a friend of mine is ... dont know the word in english ... "spediteur" .. i think if i ... *G*
22:06 < Nebukadneza> huh?
22:07 < SMP> this linux on the s390 LPAR is unpacking linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2 sind this morning
22:07 < SMP> 'since this morning'
22:07 < tsa> just curious... you know anything about system specs and pricement?
22:07 < rxr> SMP: hae?
22:07 < Nebukadneza> tsa: @me?
22:07 < tsa> yes.
22:07 < Nebukadneza> if i want to i can ask ...
22:08 < SMP>  ls -l build/default-2.0.0-rc2-s390-generic-expert/logs/build_target.log
22:08 < tsa> Nebukadneza: well, if you could get this information, just post a mail to the list...maybe someone is interested..
22:08 < SMP> lrwxrwxrwx    1 scythe   users          22 Sep  8 09:41 build/default-2.0.0-rc2-s390-generic-expert/logs/build_target.log -> build_target_14379.log
22:08 < SMP> $ tail -1 build/default-2.0.0-rc2-s390-generic-expert/logs/build_target.log
22:08 < SMP> Extracting the Linux Kernel Sources [2.4.22] ...
22:08 < Nebukadneza> i know that from a uncel of my mother ... he works in a serverpark anywhere by sindelfingen or something ... if anyone got such "crazy" new it is he!
22:08 < Nebukadneza> tsa: wtf? i want it *G*
22:08 < SMP> it's still running
22:09 < tsa> hehe
22:10 < SMP> ehm, of course it's also 
22:10 < SMP> -rw-r--r--    1 scythe   users        7546 Sep  8 09:42 build/default-2.0.0-rc2-s390-generic-expert/logs/build_target_14379.log
22:10 < SMP> not just the symlink
22:11 < Nebukadneza> okay okay ... i would take a fuel or tezro too, but *G*
22:11 < Nebukadneza> thats a dream!
22:11 < SMP> hmm, something's not right - load 0.00, that bzip2 process doesn't seem to run at all
22:12 < fake> SMP: or it's infnitely nice ;)
22:13 < Nebukadneza> http://www.sgi.com/workstations/tezro/tech_specs.html wha ... this MUST be a dream! :)
22:14 < SMP> fake: no, not even IBM get infinity to fit into 31 bits ;)
22:14 < fake> SMP: *rofl*
22:14 < rxr> hehe - namesys is cool, from there 25$ answer thing:
22:14 < rxr> Your questions are answered by experienced Linux kernel programmers, so if you think the average experienced Linux kernel programmer can figure out your problem, whatever the problem is, ask us. We'll happily tell you how to compile a kernel, figure out what modules you have loaded, run fsck for you, whatever your business need is that a second person can help you spot a solution for, we'll help.
22:16 < fake> wow... and if you need a new driver, contact SCO?
22:16 < Nebukadneza> lol
22:16 < rxr> Nebukadneza: my 10 channel sound system is more advanced than the one in that SGI box ,-)
22:17 < rxr> oh - it is just an option ...
22:17 < Nebukadneza> a sgi is no box for sound ... graphics!
22:17 < SMP> rxr: but not half as leet ;)
22:18 < Nebukadneza> if you want good sound buy a G5 :)
22:18 < rxr> http://www.maudio.de/delta1010.htm
22:18 < rxr> ^- this one _is_ leet ...
22:19 < rxr> Nebukadneza: a G5 has not good sound - the DA convert sucks asses - and for multi-channel sound you need a external device - like the one above ...
22:19 < Nebukadneza> but for macs there are the best soundcards!
22:19 < rxr> but this G3 iBook is good enoguht for sound - and if I need s.th. Real an Athlon with the above card just rock ;)
22:20 < rxr> Nebukadneza: nope - any mac-able soundcard runs in Wintel boxes
22:20 < Nebukadneza> wintel? wtf?
22:20 < Nebukadneza> ah
22:20 < Nebukadneza> wintel
22:20 < Nebukadneza> *G*
22:20 < Nebukadneza> ok
22:21 < rxr> Nebukadneza: take a look at the above - that is one of the few leading multi-channel manufactures - the Delta 1010 is one of the advanced ones (ok - also alrady 2 years old ...)
22:21 < Nebukadneza> hm
22:21 < rxr> Nebukadneza: of course just as a "it works in them" - I, of course, run the card in ROCK GNU/Linux with GSMP ...
22:21 * Nebukadneza needs a acsess virus indigo
22:21 < Nebukadneza> :)
22:21 < Nebukadneza> i think a hardsynth is a better choose for producing trance/techno/etc.
22:23 < rxr> Nebukadneza: the topic was not abut synths - of course some synths fit onto the Deta 1010 - too sad most commercial PCI hard-synths do not run with Linux - but a selfmade DSP board is anyway more useable
22:23 < Nebukadneza> a selfmade dsp board? wtf?
22:23 < Nebukadneza> :)
22:24 < rxr> sure
22:24 < rxr> put 4 Motorola DSP onto a PCI board an of oyu go
22:25 < rxr> I need to create a new one - currently mine only has one DSP 56000 @33Mhz IIRC ...
22:25 < jsaw> re
22:25 < Nebukadneza> holy shit!
22:25 < rxr> hi jsaw 
22:25 < jsaw> rxr: what about the xilinx with 4 powerpc cores?
22:26 < jsaw> (just out of curiosity)
22:26 < rxr> jsaw: have not taken a look recently - can be interesting ;)
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22:28 < jsaw> rxr: eg. http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xil_prodcat_landingpage.jsp?title=Virtex-II+Pro+FPGAs
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22:31 < jsaw> hi all btw
22:31 < rxr> ;-) hi jsaw 
22:32 < rxr> jsaw: jups - when we play again with DSP we'll take a look at it
22:32 < jsaw> argl. mv matlab /dev/null...
22:33 < netrunner> nice: The perl on your system has serious bug in routine tell()!
22:33 < netrunner> (on that k6 build I mentioned on rlml)
22:33 < netrunner> n8
22:36 < rxr> jsaw: oh you have / use matlab ?
22:36 < rxr> (for Linux?)
22:36 < jsaw> rxr: yep, for Linux, yep.
22:36 < jsaw> I had to replace the java with 1.3.1 to get it to run on ROCK...
22:37 < jsaw> Now it's awfully slow.
22:47 < SMP> jsaw: did you use Sun's or have you tried Blackdown or IBM?
22:48 < jsaw> SMP: sun's
22:48 < SMP> yeah, that crashes. try the blackdown or IBM 1.4.1, they work fine for me
22:50 < jsaw> 1. it doesn't crash, it's only slower. 2. matlab came with java 1.0 or 1.1, 1.3 is the only one that still works and works with a symlink from libstdc++-libc6.2... to ...libc6.1...
22:50 < jsaw> ...
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22:51 < Davitelj> hi
22:51 < SMP> 1.1? gosh ...
22:51 < Davitelj> how to rsync rock linux isos
22:51 < Davitelj> ?
22:51 < Davitelj> what is the command line
22:51 < Davitelj> ?
22:51 < Davitelj> rene? 
22:54 < rxr> Davitelj: yeah - hi
22:54 < Davitelj> hi
22:54 < rxr> Davitelj: why do you want to rsync ? have you an corrupted one?
22:54 < Davitelj> i've got old 2.00 camp version with bad boot loader
22:55 < rxr> Davitelj: you can find example commmands on the ML list - you can search in the ML  ...
22:55 < Davitelj> ML=?
22:55 < rxr> Davitelj: and you want sync this defective ISO the the same -camp version?
22:55 < Davitelj> yes
22:55 < rxr> Davitelj: Mailing List
22:56 < rxr> Davitelj: e.g.
22:56 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net:80/lurker/message/20030617.183735.2bcba249.html
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23:02 < jsaw> cu a bit l8r again
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23:07 < rxr> cu jsaw 
23:24 < fake> "Ich glaube nicht an die Existenz von Teppichen"
23:26 < rxr> ah ja
23:26 < fake> motd ;)
23:29 < rxr> me doign suspend tests on the iBook - su
23:29 < tsa> cu
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23:31 < rxr> ok - back
23:31 < rxr> needs to compile a bit more ...
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