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--- Log opened Fri Sep 12 00:00:20 2003
--- Day changed Fri Sep 12 2003
00:00 < [CTG]Wibra> when loading the kernel scsi modules, i'm given a choice.most logical seems "qla1280" which resembles my "qla12160" most . otherwise there is "qlogicisp" "qlogicfc" and "qlogicfas"
00:00 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: take your time by all means, i'm glad someone is willing to listen
00:04 < [CTG]Wibra> ok, after i select my image (i took the normal one, not the small) (its 2.0 btw), i get "insmod minix failed" "insmod nls_iso8859-1 failed" but it loads the 2nd stage to ram anyway
00:05 < [CTG]Wibra> it asks "enter the name of all terminal devices", but since i don't know what that is, i just pressed enter
00:06 < esden> [CTG]Wibra: that is ok ... the default is ok in most cases ... 
00:11 < [CTG]Wibra> there is nothing listed in /proc/scsi/scsi
00:16 < [CTG]Wibra> perhaps i must add that this is my first real attempt at linux. (i guess installing redhat and using gnome isn't "really" linux :) )
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00:39 < rxr> re
00:43 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: what does "hwscan" when you are in your now booted system?
00:48 < [CTG]Wibra> lemme check
00:49 < [CTG]Wibra> 2 realteks, my nvidiatnt2
00:49 < [CTG]Wibra> thats it
00:52 < [CTG]Wibra> strange that it doesn't see my qlogic
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00:59 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: lspci
01:07 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
01:07 < rxr> do you have /lib/modules/2.4.22-rock/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla1280.o
01:07 < [CTG]Wibra> 00:0d.0 scsi storage controller
01:09 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, have qla1280.o
01:09 < rxr> what does "modprobe qla1280" say ?
01:10 < [CTG]Wibra> is it normal to take some time that command?
01:10 < [CTG]Wibra> aha
01:10 < [CTG]Wibra> output:
01:11 < [CTG]Wibra> unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual adres ....
01:11 < [CTG]Wibra> kernel panic
01:11 < [CTG]Wibra> aiee, killing interupt handles
01:11 < rxr> oO
01:11 < __mnemoc> cute output
01:12 < [CTG]Wibra> doesn't sound too good though :)
01:13 < [CTG]Wibra> in between of course, alot of mumbo jumbo
01:13 < [CTG]Wibra> stack numbers
01:13 < [CTG]Wibra> call trace
01:13 < [CTG]Wibra> and register dump
01:13 < [CTG]Wibra> but i'm not that pro with machinecode :)
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01:14 < rxr> well - without some insight into that specific driver it is not that easiy to track ...
01:14 < [CTG]Wibra> i think
01:14 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: Could you reboot that box for further investigation?
01:14 < [CTG]Wibra> if i had a 12160 driver
01:14 < rxr> hm?
01:14 < [CTG]Wibra> all would be solved then
01:14 < [CTG]Wibra> but only 1280 :(
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> wat do you mean "reboot for further investigation"?
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> i'll just reboot :)
01:16 < rxr> for what do you need the 12160 driver?
01:17 < [CTG]Wibra> because i have a 12160 adapter :)
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01:18 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_1280
01:18 < rxr> Say Y if you have a QLogic ISP1x80/1x160 SCSI host adapter.
01:19 < [CTG]Wibra> hang on
01:19 < [CTG]Wibra> i'm not following you
01:19 < [CTG]Wibra> is that 'conf_scsi...." a command?
01:19 < rxr> nope - the focumentation in the linux kernel ...
01:19 < rxr> ok - you rebooted?
01:20 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
01:20 < [CTG]Wibra> 1st stage boot
01:20 < [CTG]Wibra> load kernel scsi module i spose :)
01:21 < rxr> erhm - do it like the last time to get into the 2nd stage
01:21 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
01:22 < [CTG]Wibra> ready
01:23 < [CTG]Wibra> uhm nope, even worse
01:23 < [CTG]Wibra> after it says "type stone to start"
01:24 < [CTG]Wibra> i dont get a bash prompt
01:24 < [CTG]Wibra> i can type, but it doenst do anything
01:24 < [CTG]Wibra> :( rebooting
01:26 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: hm - this driver seems to be a bit outdated ... :-(
01:27 < [CTG]Wibra> how many years are we talking here :)
01:27 < [CTG]Wibra> can i do anything with this? =>https://www.qlogic.com/support/os_detail.asp?productid=156&osid=26
01:29 < [CTG]Wibra> ok, in the meanwhile i have a working prompt at my disposal
01:29 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: what is the exact card description? Is it a RAID card ?
01:29 < [CTG]Wibra> i don't think it can be used as raid no
01:30 < [CTG]Wibra> its a scsi3 (fast ultrawide orso)
01:30 < [CTG]Wibra> 160Mb/s in theory
01:30 < [CTG]Wibra> lvd interface
01:31 < rxr> hm - the driver on the dell homepage at least has a higher version number then the one inside the linux kernel ...
01:31 < [CTG]Wibra> from the site:
01:31 < [CTG]Wibra> Description: 64-bit, 33 or 66MHz PCI to Dual Channel Ultra3 SCSI Adapter 
01:31 < esden> :q
01:31 < esden> oups
01:31 < [CTG]Wibra> the qlogic didn't came with my dell
01:33 < esden> rxr: can you perhups remember if I have sent a lilo fixing patch to the ml already?
01:33 < rxr> oh this - this driver at dell _is_ much newer ...
01:33 < esden> (too many patches ... I get confused ;) )
01:33 < rxr> esden: in the last days - no
01:33 < esden> good
01:33 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I need to merge this driver into the linux kernel - maybe your card will work then ...
01:33 < rxr> but I can not promisse
01:34 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr:have you looked at this site ? i'm not much of linuxer but maybe you can make any sense of it
01:34 < [CTG]Wibra> https://www.qlogic.com/support/os_detail.asp?productid=156&osid=26
01:34 < [CTG]Wibra> wow, you can do that :)
01:34 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: maybe I ask if you have interesst in:
01:34 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/support.html
01:34 < rxr> ;-)
01:34 < [CTG]Wibra> ill check it out
01:34 < SMP> can 2nd_stage.tar.gz be unpacked onto a part and booted into?
01:35 < rxr> SMP: oehm - the -rc1 one yes
01:35 < rxr> SMP: current SVN head no - since I removed the kernel images due to space-saving reasons
01:35 < rxr> SMP: they should be present twice on the bootdisk ...
01:37 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: €25 isn't that much, but i'm but a humble student
01:37 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: well - I see /me too ...
01:38 < [CTG]Wibra> :)
01:38 < [CTG]Wibra> a better one then me i guess :)
01:38 < rxr> nope - I miss to much in university due to more interesting stuff to do ...
01:38 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: could you paste your exact PCI ID of the QLogic card?
01:39 < [CTG]Wibra> pci id i find using lspci?
01:39 < rxr> lspci -n#
01:39 < rxr> er without the #
01:39 < [CTG]Wibra> lspci -n
01:39 < [CTG]Wibra> oops, wrong keyboard :)
01:40 < [CTG]Wibra> 00:0d.0 Class 100: 1077:1216 (rev 05)
01:41 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr=rene bebe?
01:42 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: yes
01:42 < rxr> but rebe ...
01:42 < [CTG]Wibra> wow, i'm getting support by the guy who wrote it... yeeeey
01:43 < [CTG]Wibra> schade das ich keinen deutsch spreche (or something like that :) )
01:43 < rxr> ;-)
01:44 < [CTG]Wibra> i always cheated on my german exams :p
01:46 < esden> rxr: patch sent to mailinglist
01:46 < esden> good night everyone
01:46 < [CTG]Wibra> nightynight
01:46 < rxr> n8 esden 
01:47 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I now run a test compile of the modified kernel on my PowerPC - if this works I'll recompile a bootcd for you ...
01:47 < [CTG]Wibra> w00t! mighty fine of you
01:49 < [CTG]Wibra> if rocklinux turns out ok for me, i mighty still send that support :)
01:49 < [CTG]Wibra> but i'm just testing
01:50 < [CTG]Wibra> endgoal: router+firewall+fileserver+printserver+webserver+gameserver.... all from zero linux knowledge
01:51 < rxr> hm - driver needs minor fixing momemt ...
01:55 < SMP> what's name of the target for the qt kernel config frontend? gtk version is gconfig ...
01:55 < rxr> ok - next compile try
01:55 < [CTG]Wibra> k
02:02 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: can you get a new module on the running machine via floppy or so?
02:04 < rxr> ok - now compiling the module on x86 (passed PowerPC)
02:04 * rxr of for a new cup of tea ...
02:07 * rxr back
02:11 < SMP> aaargh, now I have a GB of RAM in my laptop and it's still not enough!
02:11 < [CTG]Wibra> yes i could
02:12 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: email address to send it to?
02:14 < daja77> n8 you all
02:14 < [CTG]Wibra> wurtel@pandora.be
02:18 < __mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
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02:21 < rxr> sorry for the delay - fighting with the damn email client took so long ...
02:21 < rxr> SMP: why is you 1GB of RAM not enough ?
02:22 < [CTG]Wibra> np
02:23 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: the please replace /lib/modules/2.4.22-rock/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla1280.o with the qla1280.o.new in the email
02:23 < [CTG]Wibra> roger
02:23 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: oh - my mail client attached it as Text/Plain ...
02:25 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: resent - you MUA might destroy the file - better use the 2nd mail ...
02:25 < rxr> sorry
02:25 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
02:26 < [CTG]Wibra> where do you find the energy todo this at this hour?
02:27 < rxr> erhm - fun, getting ROCK Linux 2.0 out at some point (we are at -rc1 ...), getting ROCK into wider acceptance, ..., ...
02:27 < [CTG]Wibra> now the hardest part: finding an empty disk :)
02:28 < SMP> ... that _works_
02:28 < [CTG]Wibra> what's the main benefit with gentoo btw?
02:29 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: hehe - the hardest part on my side is usually finding an working disk ...
02:29 < rxr> SMP: ACK
02:29 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: do you ask cparing G.... and ROCK Linux? Or G..... in general ?
02:30 < [CTG]Wibra> comparison
02:30 < rxr> well ...
02:31 < rxr> you should not ask this, here ...
02:31 < [CTG]Wibra> i know
02:31 < [CTG]Wibra> i've probably read it somewhere on you site :)
02:32 < __mnemoc> ROCK Linux has people as rene and G* don't ;)
02:33 < SMP> now that
02:33 < rxr> __mnemoc: this need to be at leat Clifford, Esden, SMP, Mnemoc and Rene or so ... ;-)
02:33 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: a tiny comment:
02:33 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse2.html#x8-70002.2
02:33 < SMP> now that's fun - vmware crashes when I load the grub from hd, but it works when I load it from an fd image
02:34 < rxr> and another short: Gentoo build script are hightly (</huge>
02:34 < rxr> damn
02:34 < [CTG]Wibra> yeah, i find it amazing, some n00b he's never seen before asks things, getting answers right away
02:34 < rxr> <huge>really really really extreme</huge> ugly
02:35 < rxr> we have CD builds, cluster builds, automated dependencies, ...
02:36 < rxr> multiple architectures (SPARC, PowerPC, ...) in one source tree, automated Cross-Compiler incl. bootstrap, ...
02:36 < rxr> (wow - I should put this into the handbook ...)
02:36 < [CTG]Wibra> well, the reason i chose rock, is not to have a build, but to chose my components myself
02:37 < rxr> which components do you mean?
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> i don't know :) i'll see as i go by
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> i mean kernel optimisation
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> like paralell ports i never use and such
02:37 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: how is the new module doing ?
02:37 < __mnemoc> [CTG]Wibra: you should not see RL as a distro, it is a kit for building your own
02:38 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: small prob: disk drive on this comp isn't working
02:38 < [CTG]Wibra> i think i got it wrongly connected when i installed this one this morning
02:38 < [CTG]Wibra> will reboot and reinstall
02:39 < [CTG]Wibra> brb
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02:42 < rxr> damn NFS crap
02:43 < __mnemoc> rxr: did you tested last coda?
02:44 < SMP> aak, forgot devfs due to xconfig/gconfig
02:44 * SMP trying to test OpenBSD's isakmpd on 2.6.0-test5
02:44 < rxr> __mnemoc: nope - I'm currently not in coda ...
02:44 < rxr> isakmpd what ?
02:45 < rxr> SMP: __mnemoc: can you enlight me ?!?:
02:46 < rxr> I have a box called thesun, it tries to mount /home/rock-trunk/download and /home over NFS.
02:46 < rxr> the server has this exports:
02:46 < rxr> 1/home/rock-trunk/download *.localnet(ro,sync)
02:46 < __mnemoc> SMP: vpn?
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02:46 < fake> hi
02:46 < rxr> ^- garbage to be ignored ...
02:46 < rxr> hi fake 
02:46 < rxr> and:
02:46 * fake is garbage to be ignored.. -_-
02:46 < fake> sad but true
02:46 < rxr> fake: not you
02:46 < fake> ;P
02:47 < rxr>  /home   *.localnet(ro,sync)
02:47 < rxr>  /home/rock-trunk/download works and /home not
02:47 < rxr> damn world - and it works form other boxes ... ?!?
02:47 < SMP> Internet Security Association and Key Management Protocol (Daemon), used for setting up IPSec security associations
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02:48 < fake> is /home a mount point ?
02:48 < rxr> oehm .....
02:48 < fake> wasn't there something about mount points and nfs exports?
02:48 < rxr> yes ... but from other boxes the mount works
02:49 < rxr> yes there is nohide ...
02:49 < fake> hm... 
02:50 < fake> the damn init smileys really look all fscked up on 80x25 vt100
02:50 < rxr> fake: you are MIPSing ?
02:51 < fake> rxr: aye
02:51 < rxr> this is fscking shit:
02:51 < rxr> Sep 12 02:49:43 heap rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted
02:51 < rxr> Sep 12 02:51:07 heap rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from thesun.localnet:714 for /home (/home)
02:51 < rxr> Sep 12 02:51:07 heap rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted
02:51 < rxr> Sep 12 02:51:14 heap rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from idefix.localnet:668 for /home (/home)
02:52 < rxr> Sep 12 02:51:21 heap rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from idefix.localnet:670 for /home (/home)
02:52 < rxr> hm - maybe the port ....
02:53 < fake> root@challenge:/# passwd root
02:53 < fake> passwd: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
02:53 < fake> yuck
02:54 < __mnemoc> rotfliirc that .so is at /usr/lib =)
02:54 < __mnemoc> iirc that .so is at /usr/lib =)
02:54 < fake> no, pam should really be /lib
02:54 < fake> _really_
02:54 < __mnemoc> should... but.... ;)
02:55 < fake> pam did not create .0 - symlinks, only .0.77...
02:55 < __mnemoc> o_O
02:55 < rxr> fake: ldconfig does this ...
02:55 < fake> rxr: oopsie *g*
02:56 < fake> another command i forgot to run before reboot... not to talk of passwd root ;)
02:56 < __mnemoc> ncurses still at usr/lib?
02:56 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: now that i have overwritten the qlafile, now what do i do?
02:56 < rxr> you are really sure you overwrote it ?
02:57 < [CTG]Wibra> it asked to overwrite and i said yes :)
02:57 < [CTG]Wibra> so im pretty sure
02:57 < rxr> ok modprobe it ...
02:58 < [CTG]Wibra> "was compiled for 2.4.22 rock while this is 2.4.21 rock"
02:58 < martin_> gn8 all, rxr
02:59 < [CTG]Wibra> i guess ill need a new iso ...
02:59 < [CTG]Wibra> insmod qla1280 failed
03:00 < rxr> cytrinox_: erhm - what ISO do you use ?
03:00 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: oh - sorry my fault
03:00 < [CTG]Wibra> drock-2.0.0-rc1-rev1165-x86-pentium-mmx-cd1.iso
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03:01 < rxr> try a insmod -f /path-to-module/qla1280.o
03:01 < [CTG]Wibra> k
03:02 < rxr> any progress ?
03:02 < __mnemoc> /sbin/fsck.cramfs:
03:02 < __mnemoc>         libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x40018000)
03:03 < [CTG]Wibra> warning: loading will taint the kernel: no license
03:03 < [CTG]Wibra> followed by: kernel panic
03:04 < rxr> hm - no license ?!?! - /me checking 
03:04 < [CTG]Wibra> see https://www.tux.org/lkml/#export-tainted   for info on tainted modules
03:04 < [CTG]Wibra> other warning i got was: "warning, loading wil taint the kernel: forced load"
03:06 < [CTG]Wibra> if youre getting too tired (i know im getting sleepy) ill bother you some other time if you like
03:06 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I know about tainting - and due to force is ok (since you forced it with -f ...)
03:06 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: one more try ...
03:06 < rxr> (it ok for you ...)
03:07 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
03:07 < rxr> do you have some serial cable or would like to write down the oops if it happens again ?
03:07 < rxr> or digital camera ?
03:07 < fake> *lol*
03:07 < [CTG]Wibra> i have a serial cable
03:07 < [CTG]Wibra> but how do i use it :)
03:08 < [CTG]Wibra> lemme find it first
03:09 < rxr> erhm - needs to be a null-modem cable ..
03:09 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, it is
03:10 < [CTG]Wibra> will have to restart both pc's to enable serial ports in bios though
03:10 < [CTG]Wibra> back in 5
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03:13 < rxr> hm - I can even mount / ...
03:13 < __mnemoc> rxr: zlib, prefix='' or libdir='/lib' ?
03:15 < rxr> __mnemoc: hm - if both need a $root before - and prefix is cleaner ...
03:15 < fake> prefix=/ ?
03:15 < rxr> fake: ?
03:16 < __mnemoc> ncurses and zlib to prefix=''...
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03:16 < rxr> __mnemoc: $root
03:17 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr:okay, got a serial port enabled at irq4, com1 on the linux
03:17 < fake> root@challenge:~# cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION 
03:17 < fake> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta6 (2003/07/16)
03:17 < fake> root@challenge:~# uname -a
03:17 < fake> Linux challenge 2.4.19 #1 Wed Jan 29 18:29:34 CET 2003 mips unknown unknown GNU/Linux
03:17 < rxr> are both Linux boxes ?
03:17 < [CTG]Wibra> nope, this one is winxp
03:17 < rxr> oh ... - you have not accidently a terminal emulator for that one ... ?!? ...
03:18 < fake> aeh, hyperterm?
03:18 < rxr> ok - let's hope  it does not oops - and if let's write down the oops or photograph it ...
03:18 < [CTG]Wibra> i could put my scanner in front of my screen, lol
03:19 < [CTG]Wibra> hyperterminal is standard windows issue, nu?
03:19 < fake> keyboard-buffered cut&paste ?
03:19 < fake> ;)
03:19 < [CTG]Wibra> beuh...baah... eh?
03:19 < fake> [CTG]Wibra: yes ?
03:20 < [CTG]Wibra> i meant: "i don't know what you're talking about"
03:20 < fake> it used to be in "Zubehoer" (whatever that is translated from) back in the times when i used windows
03:20 < fake> "Accessories"
03:20 < [CTG]Wibra> achja
03:20 < fake> maybe under Communication or something like that
03:21 < [CTG]Wibra> grmbl
03:21 < fake> if that doesn't work, terraterm should be able to do the job
03:21 < [CTG]Wibra> windows has reported erro blablabla
03:21 < fake> o_O 
03:21 < [CTG]Wibra> make sure you have a modem installed
03:21 < fake> install same fake modem on COM1
03:21 < fake> some
03:22 < [CTG]Wibra> when trying the "phone and modem" part of control panel: "cannot be opened, you may have a problem starting telephony services"
03:23 < [CTG]Wibra> :) funny microsoft guys
03:23 < fake> nothing i'd call funny...
03:23 < fake> SMP: has the s390 finished extracting linux-2.4 sources? ;)
03:24 < SMP> let
03:24 < SMP> let's see
03:25 < [CTG]Wibra> well ok, it didn't work with the serial cable
03:25 < SMP> fake: hasn't moved a bit
03:26 < rxr> SMP: does a maunal tar work ?
03:26 < SMP> as I said - something appears to be wrong with that bzip2 - it's not consuming any CPU
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03:26 < fake> SMP: strange, and that with all the cool code IBM stole from SCO...
03:26 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr:anyhow: overwrite qla1280.o again and do insmod -f?
03:27 < acm_kiki> Hello, Hallo, Hola
03:27 < fake> SMP: no time to look closer, hm?
03:27 < rxr> SMP: does it work executed manually - I saw such strange glibc and kernel bugs on red-hat suse debian systems - some programs just hanging during executing them in scripts (e.g. ROCK Linux build ...)
03:27 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: 
03:27 < rxr> nope not insmod
03:27 < rxr> I send a new driver and you do modprobe ... ;-)
03:28 < SMP> it works when I run tar xjvf linux-*.tar.bz2
03:28 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
03:28 < fake> SMP: and tar --use-compress-program=bzip2 ?
03:29 < SMP> HAH!
03:29 < fake> ;)
03:29 < SMP> tar --use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf l*2 > nada
03:29 < rxr> yeah - non ROCK systems are full of suprises ...
03:29 < fake> SMP: screams for Build-Pkg modification
03:29 < SMP> holy fscking shit
03:30 < fake> SMP: what are you building on?
03:30 < rxr> hey hey - this is a expensive IBM box ... it is *great*!
03:30 < [CTG]Wibra> fake:somehow hyperterminal did connect, how do i test if it works?
03:30 < fake> great holy shit
03:30 < SMP> I'm not building anything anywhere
03:31 < fake> [CTG]Wibra: you'll have to add the serial port to your inittab and HUP init
03:31 < rxr> fake: nope - nonsens
03:31 < fake> rxr: but?
03:31 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: you need to pass console=whatever to the kernel ...
03:32 < rxr> he has no init ot getty running on the install system ...
03:32 < fake> my solution wouldn't need a reboot :P
03:32 < fake> oh
03:32 < rxr> hi init is a bash (IIRC)
03:32 < fake> install system. yeah.. i get it.
03:32 < fake> (insert evil owlish bitching here)
03:33 < [CTG]Wibra> maybe you get it, i don't
03:33 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: let's first try the new module - if it fails we do serial cable hacking after some sleep
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03:33 < [CTG]Wibra> ok :)
03:33 < [CTG]Wibra> im beginning to like this
03:33 < [CTG]Wibra> its like flying a plane through ground control
03:33 < rxr> hehe
03:34 * fake Apocalyptica - Hall of the mountain king
03:34 < [CTG]Wibra> received
03:34 < __mnemoc> rxr: can you apply my pending patch... please :)
03:35 < rxr> __mnemoc: let's make a deal - you fix NFS and I apply the patch ? *g*
03:35 < acm_kiki> __mnemoc, hi DUDE
03:35 < __mnemoc> i fix ncurses and zlib ;) 
03:35 < __mnemoc> hi kiki
03:35 < __mnemoc> nice to see you here
03:36 < acm_kiki> rxr, __mnemoc, what is wrong with nfs?
03:36 < __mnemoc> are you using it successfully?
03:36 -!- __mnemoc is now known as mnemoc
03:36 < rxr> I also used to use it successfully - but with this one combination is is just p*ssing on me ...
03:38 < mnemoc> maybe you should try after sleeping
03:39 < [CTG]Wibra> euhm, i get inputoutput error. i shouldve unmounted the floppy before putting it in my wincomp and overwriting with the new file?
03:40 < mnemoc> [CTG]Wibra: yes :(
03:40 < [CTG]Wibra> well, i'm learning :), and i found the solution myself, i'm making progress
03:42 < [CTG]Wibra> what is cls in linux?
03:42 < fake> Ctrl+L
03:43 < rxr> or clear
03:43 < [CTG]Wibra> linux IS intuitive, typed clear and it worked too
03:43 < fake> or 'clear'
03:43 < [CTG]Wibra> now, modprobe qla1280
03:44 < rxr> and ?
03:44 < [CTG]Wibra> again: "was compiled for 2.4.22, tis is 21" and "insmod failed"
03:45 < mnemoc> rxr: and if you send lixnu24-2.4.22.gem ;)
03:47 < rxr> oeh ?!?
03:47 < rxr> ERSION = 2
03:47 < rxr> PATCHLEVEL = 4
03:47 < rxr> SUBLEVEL = 22
03:47 < rxr> EXTRAVERSION = -rock
03:47 < rxr> cytrinox_: ah - well /me was blinded some hours ago ...
03:48 < rxr> which ISO are you running ?
03:48 < [CTG]Wibra> cytronix is me i spose
03:48 < [CTG]Wibra> drock-2.0.0-rc1-rev1165-x86-pentium-mmx-cd1.iso
03:49 < [CTG]Wibra> i should get https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-rev1336-ppc-powerpc-750_cd1.iso ??
03:49 < fake> *lol* no
03:49 < [CTG]Wibra> read it now: powerpc
03:50 < fake> ;)
03:50 < fake> well, maybe if you work at transmeta... ;)
03:50 < [CTG]Wibra> perhaps if i knew what that was ...
03:51 < fake> transmeta builds 'special' processors
03:51 < [CTG]Wibra> k
03:51 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: could you do a cat /etc/VERSION on your bootdisk ?
03:53 < [CTG]Wibra> err
03:53 < [CTG]Wibra> how?
03:53 < [CTG]Wibra> anyways
03:53 < [CTG]Wibra> ill just give the output
03:53 < [CTG]Wibra> rock linux 2.0.0-rc1 (2003/08/20)
03:53 < rxr> and cat /proc/version ?
03:55 < [CTG]Wibra> linux version 2.4.21-rock (root@heap) (gcc versieon 3.2.3) #1smp wed aug 20 03:51:40 cest 2003
03:55 < rxr> ah ok - my ISO ...
03:56 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: do you have DSL or so ?
03:56 < [CTG]Wibra> cable
03:56 < fake> student ?
03:56 < [CTG]Wibra> 500k down
03:56 < [CTG]Wibra> parents pay :)
03:56 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, student
03:56 < fake> where do you live?
03:57 < fake> and who is offering cable here?
03:57 < [CTG]Wibra> ich bin aus flandern, in belgien
03:57 < fake> aaah
03:57 < [CTG]Wibra> telenet
03:57 < fake> i c ;)
03:58 < [CTG]Wibra> i can still recite my first german dialogue
03:58 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: let's continue tomorrow night or so, ok?
03:59 < fake> belgish (?) and german are very similar, i think
03:59 < [CTG]Wibra> "wann komt der bus" "in funf minuten" "thanke" "woher kommst du" "aus flandern" "wo ligt das" "in belgien"
03:59 < [CTG]Wibra> etc etc
03:59 < [CTG]Wibra> kinda similar
03:59 < [CTG]Wibra> i understand the big parts of it, but cant speak it
03:59 < fake> i was in belgium for holidays once, and understood most of the tv stuff
03:59 < fake> yeah, dito
03:59 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
03:59 < fake> one-way communication ;)
04:00 < [CTG]Wibra> see ya next time
04:00 < [CTG]Wibra> tomorrox friday don't know if ill be online
04:00 < [CTG]Wibra> training+booze :)
04:01 < fake> ts ts ts
04:01 < [CTG]Wibra> but i mostly come online when i get home, even late
04:01 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - cu
04:01 < fake> rxr: gn8
04:01 < [CTG]Wibra> nn
04:01 < [CTG]Wibra> nn @ all
04:02 < fake> bye [CTG]Wibra 
04:02 < SMP> *YES*
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04:03 * SMP got IPSec between OpenBSD and Linux 2.6 w/ the OpenBSD isakmpd on both sides
04:03 < fake> SMP: wee!
04:04 < fake> kame's isakmpd works on linux?
04:04 < rxr> fake: I still watch a E video to relax ...
04:04 < fake> rxr: E video? some kind of pr0n ?
04:06 < SMP> fake: uhm, the OpenBSD isakmpd - I don't think it has anything to do with KAME
04:06 < fake> SMP: someone should tell the guy writing that cish-target that he should use obsd's isakmpd, then...
04:07 < SMP> yeah, well, _everybody_ should use the OpenBSD isakmpd ;)
04:08 < SMP> racoon is just crap
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04:15 < fake> Gentoo Ported to PS2
04:15 < fake> hrmpf...
04:16 < acm_kiki> url ?
04:16 < fake> good thing the ps2 linux kit donation went so nice...
04:19 < fake> gcc, glibc, binutils. gdb and modutils "... built those programs by turning the PS2 Linux kit's RPM spec files into ebuilds." 
04:19 < fake> damn... he didnt
04:19 < fake> even really port anything
04:46 < rxr> *lol*
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05:06 < rxr> cu
05:08 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 
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06:59 < blindcoder> moin
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08:16 < esden> good news everyone fefe releases dietlibc today
08:16 * -> esden watching too much futurama
08:19 < blindcoder> moin esden
08:19 < blindcoder> new version of dietlibc?
08:23 < blindcoder> ...
08:25 < esden> ack
08:25 < esden> morining blindcoder 
08:26 * -> esden cleaning up his flat before leaving
08:26 < esden> but first shower
08:26 < blindcoder> nice
08:26 < blindcoder> and it's also nice to see the pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf files in use :)
08:38 < esden> I can imagine that ;)
08:39 < esden> now I finally understood why they are good ;)
08:39 < blindcoder> *smile*
08:43 < blindcoder> I don't know whether _pre is useful but it was easy to implement next to _post so I just did it at the time
08:45 * blindcoder reading newsforge comments and laughing his ass off
08:46 < esden> yes that is ok
08:48 < blindcoder> do comment-posters even BOTHER to read the article at all?
08:51 < esden> what do you expect from them?
08:52 < esden> these are people in /. style ... you can not expect them to read the article before commenting
08:52 < blindcoder> rreading the article before commenting... maybe that's just too much >_<
08:53 < esden> probably
09:01 < blindcoder> 08:28 < Intertwined>  happiness melts the clouds away sunshine is bright after the smiles send their invisible rays to break up the sad clouds
09:01 < blindcoder> 08:30 < blindcoder> Intertwined: will you pass the crack pipe around, please, 
09:01 < blindcoder> from #gametome
09:01 < blindcoder> I love it to tease people :)
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09:14 < esden> hmm ... he is somewhat strange that guy
09:14 < esden> ok ... I am off for uni/IN
09:14 < esden> cu blindcoder 
09:14 < esden> and others ...
09:14 < blindcoder> bye
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09:24 < scythe_> Back
09:25 < scythe_> hi
09:26 < blindcoder> hi
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09:49 < jsaw> re
09:50 < jsaw> hello everybody
09:50 < scythe_> hi jsaw
09:50 < jsaw> hi scythe_
09:51 < blindcoder> moin jsaw
09:52 < blindcoder> process
09:52 < blindcoder> oops, wrong window
09:52 < jsaw> tach blindcoder
09:54 < jsaw> blindcoder: better get rid of too much windows
09:54 < blindcoder> jsaw: I only have 5 xterms open on this desktop...
09:56 < jsaw> .oO(I was trying to make a joke, I said "too much Windows" not "too many windows")
09:57 * blindcoder looks around
09:57 < blindcoder> I only have windows in my walls...
09:57 < blindcoder> What do you mean with "Windows"? I never heard of it :)
09:58 < jsaw> what I would really like is a program, that tracks my eyes, and moves input to the window I'm looking at...
09:58 < jsaw> blindcoder: :-)
09:58 < blindcoder> hehe, yes,  that wourd be nice
10:12 < jsaw> rxr: ping
10:13 < jsaw> rxr: Probably this is old news, but worth a note in the handbook imo: one can switch the mouse control to the keypad be pressing Shift+Numlock.
10:17 < owl> moin
10:17 < jsaw> tach owl
10:17 < blindcoder> moin moin owl
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10:25 < DeElsasser> moin
10:25 < owl> hi jsaw , blindcoder , DeElsasser 
10:26 < DeElsasser> hi owl
10:26 < DeElsasser> owl: what are you not eating today?
10:28 < scythe_> Q: is the svc archive really up-2-date?
10:29 < jsaw> scythe_: svn is our active development tree
10:30 < DeElsasser> hi jsaw
10:31 < jsaw> scythe_: so, yes, svn is the up2date state of rock linux, but that does not mean all the contents are really 100% :) up2date 
10:31 < jsaw> hi D
10:31 < DeElsasser> jsaw: to update bibletime, first update sword to 1.5.6 ;-)
10:31 < jsaw> hi DeElsasser
10:31 < scythe_> jsaw: thank u, ill use it then...
10:31 < jsaw> DeElsasser: first I have to do the gnome work...
10:32 < jsaw> DeElsasser: and rockplug
10:32 < jsaw> DeElsasser: and
10:32 < jsaw> DeElsasser: and
10:32 < jsaw> DeElsasser: and
10:32 < jsaw> ... :)
10:32 < DeElsasser> war nur zum protocol ;-)
10:33 < owl> DeElsasser: hm?
10:33 < jsaw> owl: (what to update first)
10:34 < owl> jsaw: hoeh?????? *confused*
10:34 < jsaw> owl: he just reminded me, that I have to update bibletime, but before I can do that, I have to update sword
10:34 < owl> O_o 
10:34 < owl> bibletime? O_o
10:34 < jsaw> that's what I guess he meant with "protocol"
10:35 < jsaw> owl: bibletime is a bible study program for kde
10:35 < owl> i meant "[10:26] < DeElsasser> owl: what are you not eating today?
10:35 < DeElsasser> owl: sausages?
10:36 < owl> DeElsasser: ah so...
10:36 < jsaw> hehe, I guess that is "crosstalk"
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10:36 < DeElsasser> owl: cold pizza?
10:37 < owl> *hypf* ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm going to jump out of the window... (dammit - i'm in cellar)... svn - hate!
10:37 < owl> DeElsasser: nah... 
10:40 < netrunne1> moin
10:40 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
10:44 < jsaw> hi netrunner
10:45 * netrunner updating his tree from version 1271 (last time I had inet)
10:46 < jsaw> wow, delta > 100, 12days
10:46 < blindcoder> netrunner: I had to merge changes from 6 weeks in my tree ....
10:47 < jsaw> I'm a cron job updateing every 5 minutes...
10:50 < jsaw> off to a seminar, cu l8r
10:50 < owl> .oO(jsaw is a cron job? O_o )
10:51 < jsaw> owl: ...sometimes I feel like, esp. when rxr is power committing...
10:52 < scythe_> about svn: what does PROBFIND request failed mean? The URL works ina browser...
10:52 < scythe_> PROPFIND i mean
10:53 < scythe_> it also says 500 Server Error
10:54 < scythe_> on the other proxy i found 501 not implemented...
10:59 < owl> hehe
11:06 < scythe_> never mind - like if u did ;-)
11:07 < owl> scythe_:   try this please
11:08 < owl> svn co svn://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/trunk
11:09 < scythe_> owl: thx, but the firewall didn't let it through. But i've portforwarded http over ssh since than. Thx anyway.
11:10 < owl> oki
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11:30 * netrunner starting build for his new company laptop
11:30 < owl> <-- off (learning) bbl
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12:16 < blindcoder> "EINMAL mit Profis arbeiten *seufz*"
12:17 < daja77> hehe, moin blindy
12:17 < blindcoder> hi daja
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12:48 < blindcoder> https://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-09-26&res=l
12:48 < blindcoder> where do I know this scene from?
12:49 < daja77> :)
12:49 < daja77> https://www.ittc.ku.edu/~cbosley/pictures/P6270047.JPG
13:05 < blindcoder> WTF?
13:05 < daja77> ;-)
13:06 * daja77 sings: don't count on me, I engineer ...
13:07 < blindcoder> hehe
13:07 < daja77> you know it?
13:08 < blindcoder> no, but it sounds fun
13:08 < daja77> animotion - i engineer, just grabbed it from mutella
13:09 < daja77> guess it is not really funny, but it sounds funny :)
13:15 * scythe_ gone to 3 hrs coffee break a week ago...
13:16 < blindcoder> what's wrong with that sentence?
13:16 < blindcoder> beep...beep...beep...beeeeeeeeep
13:17 < daja77> everything?
13:17 < blindcoder> coffee breaks under two workdays are not acceptable and should be repeated at least twice a day
13:17 < daja77> lol
13:19 < blindcoder> *yawn*
13:19 < blindcoder> about time it gets 15:00
13:24 * daja77 off now, cu
13:25 < blindcoder> baba
13:29 < Ge0rG> jaga?
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14:01 < jsaw> re
14:01 < jsaw> rxr: ping
14:01 < rxr> pong
14:01 < jsaw> what's the reason to have --datadir=$localstatedir/lib in extraconfopt in rene/apache.conf?
14:02 < rxr> to have the htdocdir in /var/... and not in /opt/apache ...
14:02 < jsaw> the config line then looks like ./configure ... --datadir=/usr/share ... --datadir=/var/opt/apache/lib ...
14:02 < jsaw> this break jailing
14:04 < rxr> oehm - this not good - but why does it break jailing ?
14:04 * rxr off to shower - cu in some minutew
14:06 < jsaw> because it needs to adjust $datadir/build/config_vars.mk, which is now in $localstatedir/lib/build/...
14:14 < rxr> hm - ok, how to fix?
14:15 < rxr> btw. is this apache compiled with prefix=/ ?
14:15 < jsaw> is it possible to set the variable datadir, instead of adding --datadir... to the extraconfopt?
14:15 < jsaw> no, prefix=/usr
14:16 < rxr> yes - sure this is possible
14:17 < jsaw> I'll try that... cu l8r
14:17 < rxr> jsaw: I just wanted to commit this ...
14:17 < jsaw> do so. I'll try to compile now...
14:18 < jsaw> (w/ jailing)
14:19 < rxr> comitted
14:19 < rxr> rev 1379
14:31 < jsaw> rxr: u have to check this again. In jail, the files are now installed in $jaildir/usr/share...
14:33 < jsaw> cu 2n8
14:33 < jsaw> bye
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14:58 * blindcoder going home
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15:06 < netrunner> misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c:93: internal error: Illegal instruction
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15:28 < rxr> netrunner: over optmiized ...
15:31 < SMP> scythe_: you there?
16:03 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: if you still wanna implement qlogic 12160 drivers, i'm here
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16:12 < nisma> hi to all
16:12 < nisma> what's the best way for a subdistro to select different features/patches for the kernel build ?
16:13 < nisma> 
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16:18 < [CTG]Wibra> shouldn't "make" be included in the 2nd stage? it would be a lot easier to compile drivers when needed
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16:19 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: make is a bit overkill - the wohle 2nd stage is in your systems RAM
16:20 < rxr> currently is needs 50MB (!!!) and we are currently working on get it smaller not bigger
16:20 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, but i want to compile my qla12160 :(
16:20 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: we can work on the driver - bot not now - maybe the night or so ...
16:20 < [CTG]Wibra> roger
16:43 < daja77> hmm what kde theme is that https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~martin/rock/screenshot.png ?
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17:08 < netrunner> rxr?
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18:12 < fake> hi
18:29 < rxr> netrunner: yes
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18:30 < rxr> daja77: superkaramba - a panel / background replacement ...
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18:32 < netrunne1> rxr: can you explain 'over optimized ...' a little more? I'd like to run that build :/
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18:46 < n00kie> hola :)
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19:38 * blindcoder starts shooting people at random
19:38 * blindcoder shoots esden
19:38 * blindcoder shoots esden
19:38 * netrunner watches blindcoder 
19:38 * blindcoder shoots esden
19:38 * blindcoder shoots esden
19:39 * netrunner watches esden bleeding
19:39 < blindcoder> *sigh*
19:39 < blindcoder> that's the problem with randomness
19:39 < blindcoder> you can never know :D
19:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: there is no such thing like random
19:40 < blindcoder> netrunner: so what was it then with all four shots hitting esden?
19:41 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7B362.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:42 < martin> hi
19:43 * blindcoder throws a smoke grenade, throws over a table and hides behind it
19:44 < blindcoder> WHO'S THERE?
19:44 * blindcoder points his loaded shotgun at the door from behind the table
19:45 < n00kie> Be right back.
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19:46 < blindcoder> muuoooh...
19:46 < blindcoder> not
19:46 < blindcoder> funny
19:46 * blindcoder leaves
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20:21 < jvc> hello
20:23 < jvc> is there someone who knows why directfb is not compiling?
20:23 < jvc> it looks like something with headerfiles
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20:25 < rxr> jvc: I have not yet taken a look - should be trival it compiled in the past ...
20:25 * rxr away sorry ...
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21:20 < tcr> moin all
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21:49 < daja77> re
21:49 < daja77> what's up with blindcoder?
21:50 < owl> moin daja77 
21:50 < daja77> moin owl
21:50 < owl> what should be up with him?
21:51 < daja77> all that bombing and shooting ...
21:51 < owl> hoeh? where?
21:52 < daja77> scroll back, my god
21:53 < owl> *lol* 
21:54 < owl> .oO( daja77 called me (god?)??? )
21:55 < daja77> no
21:57 < owl> *sniff* what a pitty *har* :p
21:57 < owl> but you told me, that you want to overtake my influenza?
21:57 < daja77> huh??!
21:58 < owl> daja77: i'm giving the influenza away - as present...
21:58 < daja77> you can keep it
21:58 < owl> :-( don't be so cruel, please
21:58 < daja77> give it to blindy
21:58 < tcr> anyone of you using mozilla in a resolution of 1280x1024?
21:59 < owl> tcr: nope... 1400x1050...
21:59 < tcr> owl: what font type and font size are you using?
22:00 < owl> tcr: serif: adobe-times-iso8859-1, size (pixels) 16
22:01 < owl> proportional: serif...
22:01 < owl> (// using it on a LFS-system, not a rock...)
22:02 < tcr> Well, I'm using 17 pixel, but still there're many sites where the font is damn too small
22:02 < owl> hmmm.. 
22:03 < owl> .oO(didn't you mention, that you need new glasses *cough*)
22:03 < tcr> Yeah, but I'm short-sighted
22:03 < blindcoder> what's up with me? I've been bored as hell, wanted to go out today and didn't reach anyone, that was up *snif*
22:04 < owl> hi blindcoder 
22:04 < blindcoder> hi hi
22:04 < owl> blindcoder: i'm going to move my influenza to you, is that ok?
22:04 * daja77 was out today
22:04 < blindcoder> tcr: yes
22:04 * owl was out today, too. 
22:05 < blindcoder> owl: ehm... no. not okay.
22:05 < owl> blindcoder: *sniff* not nice. :-(
22:05 < blindcoder> owl: yeah but I was in "anbaggern"-mood... which is rare enough
22:05 < blindcoder> no, I'm not nice.
22:05 < owl> blindcoder: why not going out alone?
22:05 < daja77> you should have met owl *hides*
22:05 < owl> daja77: *kick*
22:05 < owl> daja77: and: i was not alone ;p
22:05 < blindcoder> yes, that's the worst part
22:06 < owl> why the worst part?
22:06 < blindcoder> forget it, or I'll move my depression to you
22:07 < owl> blindcoder: don't mind about that - have my own depression -> a bit more or less dep. doesn't matter anymore
22:15 < tcr> blindcoder: what font type/size are you using?
22:18 < blindcoder> adobe-{times,helvetica,courier}-iso8859-1 / 16 px
22:18 < blindcoder> 16 and 12 px
22:19 < blindcoder> and if a site has too small font, CTRL-+ is your friend
22:19 < tcr> Ah! That's cool, thanks
22:19 < blindcoder> np
22:24 < tcr> daja77: still there?
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22:28 * daja77 currently playing
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22:30 < Pyro> greetings @ all.
22:31 < daja77> hi Pyro 
22:31 < tcr> daja77: xpdf doesn't compile here, the command ``latex t1lib_doc.tex'' fails with "fmtutil:config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found" and "I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'!"
22:31 < tcr> I know you've worked with latex, so you may also know the cause of this error
22:32 < daja77> no sorry, not in that case
22:32 < tcr> Hrm
22:33 < Pyro> hi daja77
22:33 < tcr> so waiting for rxr
22:39 < owl> hi Pyro 
22:41 < tcr> uh I really have to talk to rxr, where the heck is he?
22:42 < owl> hm. why?
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22:42 < Pyro> tcr: .. call him?
22:42 < Pyro> owl: hello.
22:43 < tcr> Pyro: If he were here, he'd respond... 
22:44 < Pyro> i ment phone ...
22:44 < Pyro> if its really that urgent..
22:50 < tcr> Well, no not that urgent ;)
23:13 < [CTG]Wibra> perhaps rxr has a life, and he's going out, ever thougt of that? it IS friday
23:14 < owl> O_o [CTG]Wibra is about as friendly as my own dumb - kewl ;)
23:14 < [CTG]Wibra> hey i'm friendly :)
23:14 < [CTG]Wibra> lets kiss and make up (k)
23:15 < owl> nah. thx. won't kiss you ;p
23:15 < tcr> [CTG]Wibra: He mustn't go out when I'm here wanting to talk to him. Let's put it this way.. ;)
23:15 < [CTG]Wibra> ahhh
23:16 < [CTG]Wibra> -you're- the one the universe evolves around. finally i meet this guy  *hurrayy!*
23:16 < owl> *lol*
23:17 < tcr> Basically the universe is just the product of my imagination, just as you are
23:17 < [CTG]Wibra> shit
23:17 < [CTG]Wibra> he's got us folks
23:17 < [CTG]Wibra> let's pack and leave him alone
23:18 < tcr> Well, the thing is I _am_ alone
23:18 < owl> ohoh, tcr made you escape? evil tcr :p
23:19 < tcr> I am the only being, I'm everything and that's nothing consequently
23:19 < tcr> This perception is called solipsism btw. I'm not a proponent, but I find it funny :)
23:20 < [CTG]Wibra> i found it interesting. i used to think that too (and even now sometimes too)
23:20 < [CTG]Wibra> but at a given point I thought: so what
23:20 < [CTG]Wibra> i'll just play along with the imagination
23:21 < tcr> Especially, it fits well to the existentialism of Déscartes
23:21 < SMP> the problem is - how can one prove that something else than oneself exists?
23:21 < tcr> Cogito ergo sum
23:21 < SMP> hehe
23:21 < [CTG]Wibra> smp: trueeee, thought about that alot
23:22 < tcr> Well that's all about it, you can't
23:22 < [CTG]Wibra> but as i said: at one point i just gave up
23:22 < [CTG]Wibra> simply called apathy :)
23:22 < tcr> So can draw one conclusion only: You must exist, all other people may, but not necessarily
23:22 < tcr> +you
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23:28 < rammi> hi
23:28 * tcr gonna sleep. gn8 all
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