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00:15 < Freak> duh
00:15 < Freak> second disc must be broken
00:15 < Freak> receiving a lot of "unknown error"s
00:16 < Freak> geee its all fscked.
00:17 < mnemoc> the fun is over :-\
00:18 < Freak> ack
00:19 < Freak> lets see if rxr has md5sums of the isos lying around.. if I find the url to the repository anyways
00:21 < Freak> of course I don't find the url.
00:23 < mnemoc> :|
00:25 < Freak> inserted disc three and went on.
00:25 < Freak> then
00:25 < Freak> ./tmp/stone_postinst.sh .. mount: command not found, /etc/profile: no such file
00:28 < Freak> ah, there they are.
00:28 < Freak> hum.. no md5sums
00:30 < mnemoc> cu later happyfreak
00:30 < Freak> cu mnemoc
00:32 < mnemoc> good luck 
00:50 < Freak> rxr?
00:55 < Freak> uh. I'm too tired.
00:55 < Freak> tomorrow.
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02:42 < rxr> 83316bb420a55f72b000b0103a030cfc  drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-rev1336-ppc-powerpc-750_cd1.iso
02:43 < rxr> eafa638d23dca2e7e568f1b0af190145  drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-rev1336-ppc-powerpc-750_cd2.iso
02:43 < rxr> dc5625247290b7a441f9853e59509b24  drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-rev1336-ppc-powerpc-750_cd3.iso
02:46 < rxr> ^- official one lying on the rs6k#
02:46 < rxr> and the ones on the server are the same ...
02:47 < Freak> ah
02:48 < rxr> re
02:48 < rxr> hm - google still not working here -- too damn that somewhere in the i-net the routing seems to be messed up :-(
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02:52 < acm_kiki> rxr, try other google.. maybe www.google.cl 
02:53 < rxr> google.de is the same IP ...
02:54 < rxr> www.google.cl, too ... :-(
02:54 * rxr of to bed - hopefully it will work later again ...
02:54 < rxr> s/IP/IP address/ ...
02:54 < Freak> cu
02:56 < rxr> cu - n8 ;-)
02:58 < Freak> error processing drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-rev1336-ppc-powerpc-750_cd2.iso: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
02:58 < Freak> sh.t
03:17 < mnemoc> lol :)
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04:36 < fake> hi
04:36 < fake> rxr: no svn-static for mips in sight in the near future
05:18 < acm_kiki> hi, anyone ?
05:19 < mnemoc> hi, you
05:19 < acm_kiki> ../cxx/cxx_app.cpp: In static member function `static void                                                                        
05:19 < acm_kiki>    DbEnv::runtime_error(const char*, int, int)':                                                                                  
05:19 < acm_kiki> ../cxx/cxx_app.cpp:260: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable                                                   
05:19 < acm_kiki> make: *** [cxx_app.lo] Error 1                                                                                                    
05:19 < acm_kiki> --- BUILD ERROR ---                                                        
05:20 < acm_kiki> same error, on bdb{33,40,41}
05:20 < mnemoc> -fexceptions
05:20 < acm_kiki> yes, i can read
05:20 < mnemoc> there is an option con Config to enable that
05:20 < acm_kiki> but, that is a needed flag only for my system?
05:21 < mnemoc> inside gcc expert menu
05:21 < mnemoc> i think it's the default.... don't know what you are building :)
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05:22 < acm_kiki> default/desktop/minimal
05:23 < mnemoc> mmm.. don't know if desktop is compatible with minimal template....
05:25 < acm_kiki> ok, i will try desktop normal..
05:25 < acm_kiki> -fexceptions, algo que ver con el smashing stack protection?
05:25 < mnemoc> ROCKCFG_LIMITCXX <-- this option should be '0'
05:26 < mnemoc> nope... LIMITCXX is there to reduce the size of gcc
05:27 < acm_kiki> ok
05:27 < mnemoc> ssp is for protecting of stack overflow attacks
05:28 < acm_kiki> ok, i will start reading de hacker howto, and all the relative documentation.. 
05:28 < mnemoc> :)
05:28 < mnemoc> what other changes did you do at Config?
05:29 < mnemoc> even desktop/minimal should have exception support
05:29 < acm_kiki> cual es la manera correcta de compilar? primero deberia hacer una compilacion para un i386 y luego los settings para k7 ?
05:30 < mnemoc> que es la maquina que estas ocupando para construir tu rock/desktop?
05:30 < mnemoc> rock?
05:30 < acm_kiki> rock
05:30 < mnemoc> y que arch?
05:30 < acm_kiki> k7
05:31 < mnemoc> entonces compila directamente para k7 :)
05:31 < mnemoc> el problema es cuando quieres compilar cosas que no ejecutaran en la maquina que estas usando para construir 
05:32 < mnemoc> puedes ver con ./script/Create-ErrList si algo ademas de bdb* fallo?
05:32 < acm_kiki> hay manera de reusar los paquetes que ya compilaron bien????? para no volver a compilarlos ?
05:34 < mnemoc> no es recomendable si vas a compilar otro target, pero si
05:35 < mnemoc> puedes usar -newdelete de Create-ErrList para borrar los paquetes que se han actualizado
05:35 < mnemoc> puedes usar -remove para erradicar algun paquete y dejarlo como si nunca se hubiera compilado
05:35 < acm_kiki> ayudame con lo basico.. como actualizo un rock que esta corriendo
05:35 < mnemoc> crea un config ad-hoc
05:36 < mnemoc> y usa Update-System
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05:36 < mnemoc> no olvides actualizar el source de rock primero
05:37 < mnemoc> y hacer Download -required
05:37 < acm_kiki> si, eso esta claro..
05:37 < acm_kiki> osea, dentro de ese cfg deshabilito el glibc? :/
05:38 < mnemoc> mmmm
05:38 < mnemoc> porque?
05:38 < mnemoc> porque quieres deshabilitar glibc?
05:38 < acm_kiki> compila uno nuevo, borra el mio, y ahi queda
05:39 < mnemoc> compilalo para un target, genera el .gem e instalalo con 'mine'
05:39 < mnemoc> deberias reportar ese problema al actualizar glibc a la lista
05:40 < acm_kiki> ok, tengo un glibc, dejame jugar con eso.. si me caigo ya sabes
05:40 < mnemoc> pero haslo en un target, no Update-System
05:41 < acm_kiki> ya lo hize en un target ;)
05:41 < acm_kiki> find build/ |grep glibc |grep gem
05:41 < acm_kiki> build/default-2.0.0-rc2-x86-athlon-32-desktop-expert/pkgs/glibc23-2.3.2.gem
05:41 < mnemoc> haz un update con mine
05:42 < acm_kiki> mine -i ?
05:43 < acm_kiki> bueno, ya lo hizo
05:43 < mnemoc> supongo :)
05:43 < acm_kiki> y estoy vivo
05:43 < mnemoc> ldconfig ?
05:44 < acm_kiki> si
05:44 < acm_kiki> paso
05:44 < acm_kiki> uff
05:44 < mnemoc> te salvaste :)
05:45 < mnemoc> mira en /lib si las cosas son 2.3.2
05:45 < acm_kiki> si, que se supone que hace el Update-System? lo estoy corriendo pero partio compilando los headers que ya estaban compiladas en el target..
05:45 < mnemoc> Update-System considera que tu maquina es el target
05:46 < acm_kiki> ok
05:46 < acm_kiki> ld-2.3.2.so
05:46 < mnemoc> asi que sobreescribe cosas, borra cosas, etc..
05:46 < acm_kiki> todo bien
05:46 < acm_kiki> pero el $root seria mi / ?
05:46 < mnemoc> el Build-Target lo hace en un chroot por lo que es inofencivo
05:46 < acm_kiki> mejor hare con mine
05:47 < mnemoc> es lo mas sano
05:48 < mnemoc> pero solamente glibc puede darte problemas.... el resto no tienen por donde
05:48 < mnemoc> si ya actualizaste ese puedes relajarte y dejar que el script lo haga por ti
05:49 < acm_kiki> no, me puse paranoico
05:49 < mnemoc> (no se en que redacto peor, si en castellano o en ingles) 
05:49 < acm_kiki> estoy actualizando los que estan dentro del target, y los que me falten los hare con Build-Pkg
05:50 < acm_kiki> -en aleman creo-
05:50 < mnemoc> Emerge-Package :)
05:51 < acm_kiki> eso..
05:51 < acm_kiki> es que prefiero usar los paquetes que ya estan compilados.. mas fast..
05:51 < acm_kiki> el update-system solo actualiza lo que no esta actualizado? o le pega una recompiladita de rebuena onda que es a todo
05:52 < mnemoc> actualiza todo segun version
05:52 < mnemoc> pero aun no se da cuenta si hay algo que el target produjo que tu no instalaste y lo instala igual
05:53 < acm_kiki> el mine se da cuenta si es el mismo paquete y lo pasa de largo ?
05:55 < mnemoc> mine reemplaza todo salvo lo que esta en /etc
05:57 < acm_kiki> replanteo, si le doy 2 veces mine -i al mismo archivo lo reinstala?
05:57 < mnemoc> si
05:58 < mnemoc> las herramientas basicas no deben ocupar mas inteligencia que esa ya que sino como reparas un paquete que se corrompio? ;)
06:00 < acm_kiki> salvo lo del /etc lo demas no deberia variar, si que un mine -V o algo asi deberia decir los que han cambiado.. >:D
06:00 < acm_kiki> hay cosas en rpm que son buenas... mine podria incluir algunas.. como una lista de todos los paquetes compilados de rock con sus files para ver cual es el que se necesita por x dependencia...
06:01 < mnemoc> ls /var/adm/flist
06:01 < mnemoc> ls /var/adm/depe*
06:01 < mnemoc> ls /var/adm/packages
06:01 < mnemoc> etc...
06:01 < acm_kiki> si..
06:01 < mnemoc> tambien hay var/adm/checksum
06:02 < mnemoc> hay herramientas mas inteligentes para uso y manipulacion de gems en los TODO de varias personas, por mientras solo esta 'mine', que instala y desinstala
06:04 < acm_kiki> ayudame, xosd:[CONFIG] que uso para que me de el nombre que esta antes del :[CONFIG]
06:04 < mnemoc> eso esta en una variable o en una linea de texto dentro de un arhcivo?
06:05 < acm_kiki> ese es el output de un comando
06:05 < acm_kiki> gawk?
06:05 < mnemoc> me gusta mas sed
06:05 < acm_kiki> dime
06:05 < acm_kiki> :D
06:06 < mnemoc> | sed -n 's,\(.*\):\[CONFIG\],\1,p'
06:06 < acm_kiki> emm.. que borre todo lo que que viene despues de los : e sirve
06:06 < acm_kiki> me sirve
06:06 < acm_kiki> por que hay texto despues del :
06:07 < mnemoc> quieres lo que esta antes del primer : y eliminar todo lo que esta despues?
06:07 < acm_kiki> ya, lo hice
06:07 < acm_kiki> si, pero eso queria
06:08 < mnemoc> s,\([^:]*\).*,\1,p
06:08 < mnemoc> s,\([^:]*\):.*,\1,p
06:08 < mnemoc> :)
06:08 < mnemoc> creo que el primero igual funcionaba
06:09 < acm_kiki> nop, el primero solo borro el :[config]
06:09 < acm_kiki> es que de flojo hize un egrep rc1- /var/adm.../descs :D :D
06:09 < acm_kiki> y eso le pase como argumento al Emerge-Pkg
06:09 < mnemoc> mmm...
06:10 < mnemoc> mejor hacer un ls en var/adm/packages
06:10 < mnemoc> aunque igual es insano
06:10 < mnemoc> Update-System hace casi eso pero de una manera mas racional
06:10 < acm_kiki> no, es que dentro del descs saco los que son rc1
06:10 < acm_kiki> :D
06:11 < mnemoc> es verdad :-\
06:11 * acm_kiki slaps mnemoc
06:11 < mnemoc> ya, me voy.... suerte con tu 'redescubrimiento' de rock
06:11 < acm_kiki> si, ahi te cuento cuando tenga que reinstalar.. ahahahahah
06:11 < acm_kiki> chaop
06:11 < mnemoc> acm_kiki: si querias hacer eso con un 'grep -l' te habrias ahorrado el aseo
06:12 < mnemoc> gn8 kiki
06:12 < acm_kiki> buuu
06:12 < acm_kiki> si
08:49 < owl> moin
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09:59 < netrunne1> moin
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11:48 < rxr> re
11:48 < daja77> moin rxr
11:50 < rxr> hi daja77 
11:51 < netrunner> hi rxr
11:52 < netrunner> rxr: what did you mean when you said 'over optimized' to my error in cmd_wrapper?
11:53 < rxr> netrunner: IIRC there was some illegal instrcutions, no?
11:53 < netrunner> misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c: In function `cleanenv':
11:53 < netrunner> misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c:93: internal error: Illegal instruction
11:53 < netrunner> building for p4 desktop
11:53 < rxr> on a p4 ?
11:53 < netrunner> no, on athlon mp
11:54 < rxr> ah - you see?
11:54 < netrunner> no?
11:54 < rxr> you athlon does not hav sse2 and some oher p4 only instructions - this will not work
11:54 < netrunner> I thought that it works while staying on same arch ... do I have to cross build?
11:54 < rxr> you athlon will raise a illegal instruction exception ....
11:55 < netrunner> ah, now I see. 
11:55 < netrunner> then does cross building circumvent that?
11:55 < rxr> yes - you would need a cross build - unfortunately we currently are only able to build the first stages cross - this will change in 2.1 ...
11:55 < netrunner> :(
11:56 < netrunner> rxr: can you supply a p4 desktop build?
11:56 < rxr> nope - I do not own any recent Intel processor - since I do not really like this company ...
11:57 < rxr> is a 686 build not enought - a p4 build will not yield much extra performance anyway ...
11:58 < netrunner> then maybe I use an k6 build first, then build on the laptop
11:59 < netrunner> rxr: I only got that one from my company and want to have a second harddrive to exchange with private stuff since I can take it home :)
11:59 < netrunner> rxr: and obviously I want rock on it :)
12:05 < owl> moin
12:08 < rxr> moin owl 
12:12 < owl> hi rxr . 
12:27 < rxr> jsaw_: are you around?
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15:28 < praenti> hi. anybody here at the moment?
15:30 < praenti> ok. i'm also away
16:04 < rxr> hi
16:04 < rxr> gruempf ...
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18:12 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: had a chance yet to look at the driver? i'm still stuck :(
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18:17 < mnemoc> [CTG]Wibra: current linux version? current modprobe output?
18:18 < mnemoc> moin n00kie 
18:19 < [CTG]Wibra> 2.4.21
18:19 < [CTG]Wibra> i mean, thats the version of rock
18:19 < [CTG]Wibra> i have no "current" linux version
18:20 < mnemoc> but you want to load a module to a linux 2.4.21
18:20 < [CTG]Wibra> i'm in the 2nd stage of installing rock
18:20 < [CTG]Wibra> and i need to install it to a scsi hd
18:20 < [CTG]Wibra> but it doesn't support my scsi controller
18:20 < mnemoc> uff...
18:21 < [CTG]Wibra> a qlogic qla12160
18:21 < [CTG]Wibra> modprobing the qla gives an oops
18:22 < mnemoc> iirc rxr patch that module, but send it to you compiled for 2.4.22
18:22 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, indeed
18:23 < [CTG]Wibra> so if i'll just down a 2.4.22 version of rock i'm good to go?
18:23 < acm_kiki> Hi
18:24 < mnemoc> well.. i dont' think your patch is already added to rock, but having the same kernel version will allow you to use the patched one
18:24 < mnemoc> acm_kiki: moin
18:24 < [CTG]Wibra> mm okay
18:25 < [CTG]Wibra> i'll set smartftp to work :)
18:25 < mnemoc> what iso are you installing?
18:25 < acm_kiki> [CTG]Wibra, what is wrong when you modprobe the module?
18:25 < [CTG]Wibra> kernel panic: killing interrupt handler
18:26 < [CTG]Wibra> mnemoc: iso is : drock-2.0.0-rc1-rev1165-x86-pentium-mmx-cd1.iso
18:26 < acm_kiki> and off course, you have the hdd and the controller working fine with other linux/os
18:26 < mnemoc> acm_kiki: thats his problem.... scsi module crashes
18:27 < [CTG]Wibra> it works under windows98/xp and i had it working under redhat once
18:27 < mnemoc> rxr patch it but send it built for 2.4.22
18:27 < [CTG]Wibra> where can i find an iso with 2.4.22?
18:28 < mnemoc> acm_kiki: so he needs a 'bootdisk' with 2.4.22
18:28 < [CTG]Wibra> idd
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18:30 < [CTG]Wibra> i'm not finding any iso's with a revision nr higher then 1165
18:31 < mnemoc> afais, you will need someone to build one for you
18:31 < mnemoc> at least a 'bootdisk' iso
18:32 < mnemoc> or geting the patch from rxr and bbuild it for 2.4.21 :)
18:35 < [CTG]Wibra> :)
18:35 < [CTG]Wibra> well if he gets back and reads this...
18:35 < [CTG]Wibra> i'm off to eat
18:35 < mnemoc> :)
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19:57 < owl> *lalala* what a wonderful life *puke*
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21:00 < Freak> <miro> Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.
21:00 < Freak> <Freak> miro: you have typos.
21:00 < Freak> <Freak> its "iprmoatnt".
21:00 < Freak> daja77: /me loves being a smartass ;)
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21:10 < tcr> moin all
21:10 < Freak> hi tcr
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21:19 < tcr_> Hmpf
21:19 < Freak> hm?
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21:24 < fake> hi
21:27 < [CTG]Wibra> i think i'll give up and try gentoo afterall :(
21:27 * fake slaps [CTG]Wibra 
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21:31 < fake> http://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/friends/reproduction/
21:31 < fake> ain't she sw33t ?
21:31 < fake> (both) ;)
21:32 < fake> and no, i was not involved in the reproduction process
21:33 < [CTG]Wibra> young mother
21:34 < tcr> [CTG]Wibra, what are you trying?
21:35 < [CTG]Wibra> not trying anything atm :)
21:35 < tcr> Well, you just decide to give up <what>
21:35 < acm_kiki> is a X news reader in rock? pan? knews? -i cant find any-
21:35 < [CTG]Wibra> give up installing rock
21:36 < tcr> [CTG]Wibra, what's going wrong?
21:36 < [CTG]Wibra> *sigh* i'll copy paste
21:37 < tcr> [CTG]Wibra, ok in a query, please (if you already said it here)
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21:38 * tcr smiles :)
21:38 < [CTG]Wibra> what's a quiery?
21:38 < tcr> acm_kiki, well... mozilla?
21:40 < acm_kiki> tcr, ok.. put i prefer pan.. :/
21:41 < fake> acm_kiki: mozilla? ;)
21:41 < fake> oh
21:41 * fake redundant
21:41 < tcr> acm_kiki, it's not difficult to add a new pkg :)
21:41 < rxr> re
21:42 < tcr> acm_kiki, does pan have some strange configuration/installation style, or the ordinary ./configure && make && make install?
21:42 < tcr> fake: "Selbsterkenntnis ist der erste Schritt zur Besserung." ;)
21:42 < acm_kiki> as far i remember is the easy way... 
21:43 < [CTG]Wibra> "zelfkennis is het begin van de wijsheid"
21:43 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: the ROCK installation problem will not be ROCK specific
21:44 < [CTG]Wibra> i'm noticing :) gentoo has probs too
21:44 < rxr> the SCSI driver does just not work - and you'll not be able to install Gentoo either - at least not if they have not patched there kernel ...
21:44 < acm_kiki> tcr, where i need to start reading to TRY to add a package?
21:44 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: have you just tried?
21:44 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
21:44 < rxr> the same problem?
21:45 < rxr> acm_kiki:
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21:45 < [CTG]Wibra> i think so
21:45 < tcr> acm_kiki, well is that pkg on freshmeat?
21:45 < [CTG]Wibra> rebooted the gentoo livecd, trying once more
21:45 < rxr> acm_kiki: http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch17.html#x74-14000017
21:45 < fake>  /usr/src/rock-src/Documentation/*/*
21:45 < tcr> acm_kiki, there's a script to automatically add a pkg from freshmeat
21:46 < tcr> called fmnewpackage.sh in $ROCK_SOURCES/misc/archive/
21:47 < acm_kiki> ok, is not on freahmeat.. http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/SOURCE/pan-0.14.2.tar.bz2
21:47 < rxr> acm_kiki: tcr meant if it has an freshmeat entry
21:47 < rxr> acm_kiki: we have a script which gather some basic information from freshmeat to create the basic info for the package ...
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21:49 < jsaw> re
21:49 < rxr> hi jsaw 
21:49 < jsaw> rxr: now I'm here
21:50 < acm_kiki> pan have a page on freshmeat, but the download link is not to the file, is to the download webpage
21:50 < jsaw> rxr: what'd u wanna ask me a couple of hours before?
21:51 < rxr> oehm - do not remember - maybe if I should update epiphany and galeon ...
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21:52 < jsaw> rxr: nope, will all be in gnome24, I mean, I will do that while gathering stuff for gnome24
21:52 < rxr> acm_kiki: you could use the fmnewpackage.sh to gather the basic information and then hand-edit / update the description after that first step ...
21:52 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: is there any way to run this adapter on this kernel version? i'm getting pretty helpless over here
21:52 < rxr> jsaw: yeah - now it is already updated ...
21:52 < jsaw> pan is part of gnome24
21:52 < acm_kiki> rxr, ok, i'm on that..
21:53 < jsaw> acm_kiki: pan is part of gnome24, I'm at it
21:53 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I think those updated dirvers you found should be a help
21:53 < tcr> acm_kiki, cd $ROCK_SOURCES; chmod u+x misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh; ./misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh package/kiki/pan pan
21:53 < [CTG]Wibra> at linuxhq.... but i can't compile them
21:53 < rxr> do you have the link to the even newer version you found in the internet
21:53 < rxr> tcr: why not just sh ./misc/... ?
21:53 < acm_kiki> if the web of the package provides both tar.bz2, and tar.gz, wichone i need to choose?
21:54 < rxr> acm_kiki: tar.bz2 - since ROCK will recompress it to bz2 in any case anyway
21:54 < rxr> acm_kiki: so natice bz2 will save computing time ...
21:54 < tcr> acm_kiki, then vi package/kiki/pan/pan.desc; when done, and the configuration/installation process is really the ordinary one, just do a ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg pan
21:54 < acm_kiki> jsaw, ok, have the pan.desc? :D
21:55 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: this should work i spose (2.4.20)
21:55 < [CTG]Wibra> http://www.iglu.org.il/lxr/source/drivers/scsi/qla1280.c
21:55 < jsaw> acm_kiki: partially
21:56 < jsaw> acm_kiki: I think I finish the desktop part of gnome24 tonight, office partially, fifth-toe etc will follow
21:56 < jsaw> 24!
21:57 < fake> -1 =
21:58 < tcr> 22
21:58 < tcr> ... that's a kind of magic, magic, magic..
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22:00 < tcr> Bwah, sweden people have voted against the introduction of euro
22:01 < tcr> sweden people, ... lol ;)
22:03 < acm_kiki> jsaw, how is the dependencies list managed? in pan case, i guess gnome* is enough..
22:03 < jsaw> acm_kiki: from garnome: LIBDEPS=gnome/libxml2 gnome/gnet
22:04 < tcr> BTW. does anyone have nmap installed and could scan me?
22:04 < jsaw> and gnet: LIBDEPS = gnome/glib
22:05 < jsaw> tcr: IP?
22:05 < tcr> jsaw, /whois tcr
22:06 < jsaw> Host seems down.
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22:06 < tcr> Well, I hope not ;)
22:07 * Freak having the second try of ROCKing his powerbook
22:07 < tcr> jsaw, ip is 217.234.162.245
22:07 < Freak> this time iso's md5sums have been verified.
22:07 < Freak> so if it should fail
22:08 < Freak> I blame rxr.
22:08 < Freak> =)
22:08 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: can i mail you the driver to be compiled?
22:11 < [CTG]Wibra> does anyone else has a 2.4.21 and is willing to compile the driver for me?
22:12 < jsaw> tcr: host seems down.
22:12 < jsaw> tcr: trying from a different computer...
22:13 < tcr> jsaw, thanks
22:14 < jsaw> tcr: dito
22:14 < tcr> [CTG]Wibra, not today (I'll go to bed in some minutes), but if you haven't found anyone willing, I'll do it tomorrow
22:14 < [CTG]Wibra> okay, thx in advance
22:15 < tcr> if you haven't found anyone until tomorrow
22:15 < [CTG]Wibra> i'll try my few linuxfriends
22:15 < tcr> jsaw, that's actually good. I think they get swallowed by my router (though I set it to just perform NAT, not any packet filtering or something similiar)
22:16 < tcr> jsaw, the reason I asked it that I anyhow can't get X stop listening :-/
22:17 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: sure
22:17 < rxr> either mail - or better point me to the URL
22:17 < [CTG]Wibra> i mailed it already :)
22:17 < rxr> ah ok
22:18 < jsaw> tcr: disable tcp sockets in X?
22:18 < rxr> I'm again busy developing / debugging - so reponse times might sometimes take some minutes - ...
22:19 < rxr> I also wanted to rebuild some parts of the install disk for you - but currently my server builds s security enhanded + jailing minimal ROCK Linux ...
22:19 < tcr> jsaw, well I added a -nolisten tcp to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers, didn't work (well maybe because it wasn't set executably, I just did that now)
22:19 < [CTG]Wibra> thx for the efforts made
22:20 < jsaw> tcr: ah, ok.
22:21 < tcr> [CTG]Wibra, Yeah, rxr can't be blamed for everything except for not spending much effort into ROCK. if you have a business, you should drop him some bucks :)
22:21 < tcr> s,can't,can,
22:23 < [CTG]Wibra> im 21 and student
22:23 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - I compilation started
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22:26 < [CTG]Wibra> had to restart, xp was hogging again
22:33 < tcr> re [CTG]Wibra
22:33 < acm_kiki> ok, just asking, if i already have the .desc, and the program build with ./configure, make, make install... what is a simple .conf for it?
22:34 < fake> you don't need one, in the easiest case
22:34 < fake> the build system checks wether there is a 'configure' it can run automatically
22:34 < acm_kiki> fake, so with the .desc is enough?
22:35 < fake> acm_kiki: for a first try, yes. if it works (read log files, etc), you're done.
22:35 < [CTG]Wibra> afk
22:35 < fake> so just fire a ./scripts/Download -package <yourpackagename>
22:35 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Pkg <yourpackagename>
22:36 < acm_kiki> well, i use Rock since 1.4.0 was released, but never touch the package section..
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22:36 < fake> and then look at /var/adm/flists/<yourpackagename> to see if anything wrong was created
22:37 < fake> and look at /var/adm/logs/9-<yourpackagename>.{err,out,log} to see what the build did
22:37 < acm_kiki> :/ ok
22:38 < fake> acm_kiki: once you got it, you can create package like mad, it's really easy.
22:38 < rxr> tcr: "not spending much effort into ROCK" ? I hope you meant s/not// ?
22:38 < fake> rxr: chilll
22:39 < fake> rxr: man dir nicht vorwerfen... dass du nicht genug zeit fuer rock aufbringst
22:39 < tcr> rxr: "you can be blamed for everything _except for_ not spending much effort into ROCK"
22:40 < tcr> that was a compliment actually...
22:40 < Freak> "man kann dir ja vieles vorwerfen außer dass.."
22:40 < fake> rxr: aspie... ;P
22:40 < Freak> aspie?!
22:41 < fake> aspberger syndrome ?
22:41 < Freak> who
22:41 < fake> we all
22:41 < Freak> no.
22:41 < Freak> definitely not.
22:41 < fake> sure ;)
22:41 < Freak> either you mean something else
22:41 < rxr> tcr: yeah thanks - but there was a "can't" in the first part - which forms a double negation and - well ...
22:41 < Freak> or you're kidding
22:41 < fake> people who move their bodies like they are rented
22:42 < Freak> that is what you mean with asperger?
22:42 < fake> Freak: your an exception. you're just plain stupid, and there is no syndrome for an excuse *EG*
22:42 < Freak> heh
22:42 < Freak> you FREAK
22:43 < tcr> rxr: Well, I fixed that a line below ;)
22:43 < Freak> then you dont mean asperger but.. uhhhm
22:43 < rxr> ok ok ... ;-)
22:43 < Freak> whats the thing..
22:43 < Freak> michael j fox has it
22:43 < fake> Freak: some form of light ... err... yeah
22:43 < Freak> but its not asperger
22:43 < fake> Freak: no, not parkinson
22:43 < rxr> tcr: ah ! Overread this ... one should not do 5 things at a time ...
22:43 < Freak> exactly
22:43 < Freak> but asperger is some form of psychic autism
22:44 < fake> Freak: exactly
22:44 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: module sent ...
22:44 < Freak> stupid freak
22:44 < fake> very light autism
22:44 < rxr> just transfer it via disc as some days ago ...
22:44 < acm_kiki> where i can find a list of the packages category?
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22:44 < holyolli> moin
22:45 < Freak> rxr: what's the first (alphabetically) package on disk three?
22:45 < Freak> (I think they're ordered alphabetically, aren't they)
22:45 < Freak> it was t...something
22:45 < fake> acm_kiki: somwhere in Documentation/Developser/*CAT*
22:45 < Freak> s/disk/disc;
22:45 < fake> developser... funny
22:46 < acm_kiki> fake, thanks
22:46 < fake> PKG-CATEGORIES iirc
22:46 < fake> hi holyolli!
22:46 < holyolli> huhu fake
22:46 * holyolli has btw. now compiled a first try of rock-1.7 on alpha
22:47 < Freak> rxr: I think the new disc 2 I burned tonight is fine - so it seeeeems.. I will have ROCK on that powerbook tonight.
22:47 < acm_kiki> uhm.. fake, pine is in extra/network, i guess a newsreader should be the same Category..
22:49 < rxr> Freak: disk32.0.0-rc2-powerpc-powerpc-750-desktop-expert/pkgs/tetex-2.0.2.gem
22:49 < rxr> Freak: as listed in:
22:49 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-rev1336-ppc-powerpc-750_index.txt
22:49 < Freak> yes.
22:49 < Freak> ah. right. :)
22:50 < Freak> YAY! disc 2 completed successfully!
22:50 < Freak> rxr: what about the blinking led?
22:51 < Freak> rxr: and what about auto-eject
22:51 < rxr> Freak: hm? The PMU LED? It displays the HD activity ...
22:51 < Freak> rxr: is that a new feature in 2.4.22(-ben2)?
22:52 < Freak> because I didn't have it so far.
22:52 < Freak> it's pretty unnecessary
22:52 < Freak> =)
22:52 < acm_kiki> in the *.desc the [E] for dependencies is not used?
22:52 < Freak> and it came very unexpectedly
22:53 < tcr> now you HAVE it, so shut up and swallow, you bitch!
22:53 < Freak> rxr: is there something special I should look out for?
22:53 < Freak> rxr: like.. if a bug occurs.. or some special whoopass feature? :)
22:54 < Freak> rxr: ..something you want me to notify you about?
22:55 < Freak> oh tcr: where you talking to me?
22:55 < Freak> -h
22:56 < tcr> Freak, of course, none else I'd dare calling names to ;)
22:56 < Freak> atfu
22:56 < Freak> stfu
22:56 < tcr> what?
22:56 < Freak> but I don't mind actually, I love you all :)
22:57 < tcr> acm_kiki, you shouldn't need to specify [E]
22:58 < Freak> duh! keymap fscked!
22:58 < Freak> rxr: I chose mac-de-latin1, now I have tab on b!
22:59 < Freak> -b = enter?! omg.
23:00 * tcr grins
23:00 < Freak> so it is fscked again. rebooting.
23:03 * tcr gonna sleep
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23:04 < holyolli> n8
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23:04 < acm_kiki> ok, i just for try add/create the package for pan, mdsum, author, etc.. but i have the question about dependencies... is already installed but..
23:04 < Freak> rxr: help?
23:09 < Freak> I booted from cd into the installed system now. chrooted into /mnt/target. installation had stopped after rootpassword-question so I changed the rootpassword now. what am I gonna do next?
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23:10 < Freak> mac-de-latin1 is _really_ fscked.
23:10 < Freak> this time I have enter on j
23:10 < Freak> and + on a
23:10 < Freak> and so on
23:11 < rxr> re
23:11 < rxr> Freak: yeah do not choose a keyboad layout for the console for now ...
23:12 < Freak> too late
23:12 < rxr> does this work on debian?
23:12 < Freak> yup
23:12 < rxr> Freak: nope - just boot CD1 - install - no package will be extracted and choose none
23:12 < Freak> so I just boot from cd again now
23:12 < Freak> rebooting.
23:13 < Freak> what am I to do to resume?
23:13 < Freak> btw isnt the official name for the benpatch "ben" and not "benh"?
23:13 < rxr> Freak: hm - strange then they patched s.th. it can not work in the vanilla sources ... - but I had not such a mess like you just got - for me the raw codes in pbbutonsd just did arrived mangled - and the dimming/audio/eject/... keys have not worked as expected anymore ...
23:14 < Freak> hum
23:14 < Freak> well it was a total mess.
23:14 < Freak> then why not steal the keymap from debian?
23:14 < rxr> it is not the keymap - it is the kbd package too - I need to fiff them ...
23:14 < Freak> I am on the 2nd stage boot disc now.
23:15 < Freak> btw that has a typo, it says "boot disk"
23:15 < Freak> isnt that "disc"?
23:15 < Freak> hum
23:15 < rxr> just do stone, mount the filesystems, run install, (nothing will be installed since all is there) and continue the post-install ...
23:17 < Freak> ok so I'm not changing the keymap now?
23:17 < rxr> the benh stuff is in a benh directory - and the filename is ben - often it is refered as benh ...
23:17 < rxr> make sure it is none ...
23:17 < Freak> ok
23:17 < Freak> ok.
23:17 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: any news ?
23:18 < rxr> regarding dis{c,k} ... well this is quite mixed in the wohle computer world ...
23:18 < Freak> :)
23:18 < Freak> what does the oxford dictionary say? :)
23:19 < Freak> i dont have one else I would look it up ;)
23:19 < Freak> nevermind.
23:19 < Freak> uhhhm
23:19 < Freak> the thing is hanging.
23:19 < Freak> I changed the clock and now it hangs.
23:20 < rxr> hm - bad
23:20 < Freak> duh. no euro for .se
23:20 < rxr> it did not hang for me - but I also am not able to set the clock in my system - it was working in the past :-(
23:20 < Freak> hrm
23:20 < Freak> I ctrl+c'ed it.
23:20 < rxr> mom - /me off for some seconds
23:20 < Freak> k
23:21 < Freak> ok, the changing did work but it hung afterwards. I restarted stone now and did not change the clock, now it proceeded.
23:22 < Freak> I did not choose a locale now.
23:23 < Freak> (chose 'none')
23:23 < rxr> a locale is ok - just not the keymap ...
23:23 < rxr> this rtc thing is strange ...
23:23 < Freak> yea, when it asked me to change the clock again, it showed the changed time I had entered before.
23:26 < rxr> yes - the system date is changed - the syncing to the hardware RTC just does not work and hangs ...
23:27 < rxr> ah - found s.th.
23:28 < Freak> does updatedb have to run in foreground?!
23:29 < rxr> yes - because you gonna reboot after this ...
23:30 < Freak> what's the reboot for?
23:30 < rxr> reboot into the installed system ...
23:30 < Freak> different kernel than in installsystem?
23:30 < rxr> but yes - some of those post-install things could be done after the first reboot into the real system - so one would not need to wait for it ...
23:31 < rxr> not necessarily - just the real system (with booting from HD) and without the fat root ramdisk ...
23:31 < rxr> btw. you have configured yaboot in some way?
23:32 < Freak> nah
23:32 < Freak> well yes for debian of course
23:32 < daja77> rotfl @ Freak 
23:33 < Freak> stone - setup tool one? sweeeet :)
23:33 < rxr> Freak: so you will use your debian yaboot to boot ROCK?
23:33 < Freak> whoops the cursor was on 'exit' and I just hit enter.
23:34 < Freak> how do I get back (w/o running all the updatedb stuff and so on again)?
23:34 < Freak> daja77: why you laughing?
23:35 < rxr> Freak: chroot /mnt/target
23:36 < rxr> (maybe with /bin/bash as argument)
23:36 < rxr> and then stone
23:36 < rxr> (maybe with mount /dev
23:36 < rxr> mount /proc
23:36 < rxr> before - depends if they are still mounted or not ...)
23:37 < Freak> yes.
23:37 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: module received
23:37 < Freak> thanks for the /bin/bash-hint.
23:37 < Freak> and: no they were unmounted. stone wouldn't run then.
23:37 < daja77> Freak: cos of you liking to be a smartass ;-)
23:38 < Freak> daja77: aaaah... waaaaaaaaay back in the backlog ;)
23:38 < Freak> rxr: what about switching the console font?
23:38 < daja77> yepp, but awaylog keeps stuff like that
23:39 < Freak> daja77: ah ic
23:39 < Freak> daja77: but then you don't get the context, huh?
23:39 < daja77> not really
23:39 < daja77> <- drunk atm
23:40 < Freak> then you dont get it anyways ;)
23:40 < daja77> rofl
23:40 < rxr> Freak: you want to change the console font?
23:40 < Freak> no not really :)
23:40 < Freak> whats "set enhanced rtc precision (64)"?
23:41 * daja77 wishes you a great night
23:41 < Freak> nn daja77
23:42 < [CTG]Wibra> really simpel question: how do i make a mountpoint
23:42 < Freak> just mkdir
23:42 < [CTG]Wibra> k
23:42 < Freak> mkdir /mnt/seconddisc;mount /dev/mydev /mnt/seconddisc
23:43 < [CTG]Wibra> mount floppy /mnt/floppy   in the dev dir
23:43 < [CTG]Wibra> it says: floppy is not a block device
23:43 < [CTG]Wibra> never mind
23:43 < [CTG]Wibra> i got it
23:44 < rxr> Freak: this sets the maximal frequency allowed for user-space applications in /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq
23:44 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ah - ok
23:45 < Freak> rxr: huh? I don't understand..
23:45 < [CTG]Wibra> hmm, when doing filetransfers from mounted devices, is this buffered? i copied a file, but i dind't see my floppy-light flip on
23:46 < acm_kiki> you need to umount and that will save any buffer..
23:46 < acm_kiki> on hardisks you can use 'sync'
23:47 < [CTG]Wibra> is there a command to flush without having to unmount? (on floppies)
23:47 < rxr> acm_kiki: on floopies sync works too!
23:48 < acm_kiki> oh!, well, I did't use floppies since... 3 years? :/
23:48 < rxr> Freak: user space applications can not set any realtime frequency they want - this is a hard limit in the linux kernel - which can be modified via a proc file - this is what this STONE config entry is for ...
23:49 < rxr> acm_kiki: this sync is a in kernel function for block devices - it works on any block device - so also floppies ...
23:49 < acm_kiki> rxr, thanks for the explanation.. 
23:49 < Freak> rxr: xf86cfg: not found
23:50 < acm_kiki> XFree86 -configure
23:50 < Freak> none of the x-configuration thingies working.
23:50 < Freak> XFree86: not found
23:50 < rxr> Freak: hm - I fixed this some weeks ago - I wonder if it did not made it into this PPC ISO ... - wondering ...
23:50 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: when doing "modprobe ..." i get:cannot read ELF header from file
23:51 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: the file might got corrupted on the floppy ...
23:51 < [CTG]Wibra> ok, will try again
23:51 < rxr> is the md5sum on the bootdisk ?
23:51 < rxr> (md5sum is an application)
23:51 < [CTG]Wibra> don't know
23:52 < rxr> just type it in ;-)
23:52 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
23:52 < rxr> ok md5sum /lib/modules/.........the qla1280.o file ...
23:52 < rxr> mine has:
23:52 < rxr> d3a213b82677599c4e8af57e5de2dd47  /mnt/net/rene/qla1280.o
23:53 < [CTG]Wibra> :) nope something different
23:53 < [CTG]Wibra> size on the floppy: 0kb
23:53 < rxr> hm - recopy? ;-)
23:54 < [CTG]Wibra> that's why my floppylight didn't lit up
23:55 < Freak> rxr: is the hdd /dev/hda in the iBooks?
23:56 < [CTG]Wibra> checksum is ok now, insmodding
23:56 < [CTG]Wibra> woohooow!
23:57 < rxr> Freak:;-)
23:57 < Freak> rxr?
23:57 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch9.html#x32-730009
23:57 < rxr> either /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
23:57 < Freak> duh I knew you would say that
23:57 < rxr> or /dev/discs/disc0/disc
23:57 < Freak> but yaboot doesnt give shoot about devfs
23:58 < rxr> debian or rock ?
23:58 < Freak> rock
23:58 < rxr> yaboot does work just fine with devfs names ...
23:58 < rxr> what do you try to do ?
23:58 < Freak> in the yaboot.conf you shipped, it says root=/dev/hda3 and so on
23:59 < rxr> this is the default yaboot.conf from the package
23:59 < Freak> hm
23:59 < rxr> I did not modify it - just run stone
23:59 < rxr> and select re-create yaboot.conf
23:59 < rxr> this will generate a yaboot.conf for you current system
23:59 < rxr> do not click on install yaboot unless you want to overwrite your debian one ...
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