--- Log opened Mon Sep 15 00:00:05 2003
--- Day changed Mon Sep 15 2003
00:00 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: now how do i mount the scsi-disk? do i need to get a driver from seagate (my scsidisk manufacterer)
00:00 < rxr> the generation will even detect if MacOS-C is installed
00:00 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: no no!
00:00 < Freak> rxr: yes I want to. I will add debian manually to it.
00:00 < rxr> Freak: ok then go
00:00 < rxr> Mac-OS-X even ..
00:01 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: that your SCSI adapter did not worked out of the box is totally oncommon in the Linux world
00:01 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: everything is normally included in the kernel in a working state ...
00:01 < [CTG]Wibra> ok, but the adapter works now. how do i find my hd?
00:01 < Freak> how do I change the bootstrap device?
00:02 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: all SCSI disks are the same
00:02 < rxr> like IDE disk are all common - you do not need a driver for each one - not even in the windows world ...
00:02 < rxr> you got the module loaded?
00:02 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
00:02 < rxr> and you see your adapter when you do cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
00:02 < Freak> rxr: it won't let me change bootstrap-/root-/boot-device.
00:03 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: one minute - I kiss my girlfriend goodnight ...
00:03 < rxr> Freak: this are the detected values that are not intended to be changed (also I shoudl make them changeable ? ;-)
00:03 < rxr> if you need to change them (do you ?) you need to do this manually ...
00:03 < Freak> yes you should because it missdetects the bootstrap device.
00:03 < rxr> moment - cu in a minute
00:05 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: something weird. it says "host scsi0: *myidecdromdrive*  and hostscsi1 *myscsicdromdrive*"   but not my seagate disk :( (which was detected when booting by my scsi-adapter bios... i think)
00:06 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: gonna reboot just to make sure it _did_ detect my disk
00:08 < Freak> rxr: you have some seriously ugly hacks in that thing ;)
00:08 < Freak> rxr: you *must* have some seriously ugly hacks in that thing ;)
00:08 < Freak> it doesnt detect the things, you must have hardcoded em ;)
00:09 < Freak> first of all: bootstrap is set to /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part <-- !
00:09 < Freak> here it is (hd=hdc) /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
00:10 < Freak> macosx=/dev/ide/host_0_/bus0/target0/lun0/part2, where part2 is correct while host0 is wrong..
00:12 < rxr> re
00:13 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: no reboot!
00:13 < [CTG]Wibra> already did, but recopied driver and insmodded
00:13 < jsaw> rxr: do you have a script for renaming pkgs?
00:13 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok driver modprobed again?
00:13 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
00:13 < rxr> jsaw: yes - I rember I ad this ...
00:14 < rxr> jsaw: http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-tools/
00:14 < jsaw> rxr: I have to rename a 4 of em to avoid gnome24 clashes, should I send a patch or shall I tell you, what to rename?
00:15 < rxr> jsaw: ah - then tell me what to rename ...
00:16 < rxr> otherwise ConvertPkgName4Version.sh renames the files based on the directory ...
00:17 < Freak> --- I'm going to REBOOT now.
00:17 < rxr> Freak: it is not hardcoded ...
00:18 < jsaw> rxr: oh, actually 5: gnome2/epiphany -> epiphany10, gnome2/gucharmap -> gucharmap08, gnome2/libgsf -> libgsf18, gnome2/orbit2 -> orbit22, x11/librsvg -> librsvg22
00:18 < Freak> its buggy then.
00:18 < rxr> Freak: yes seems so - it is not yet widely tested ...
00:18 < rxr> Freak: I just take a look
00:19 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok try modprobe sd
00:19 < Freak> and I cant reboot :)
00:19 < rxr> Freak: what do you mean with you can not reboot ?
00:19 < Freak> no initctl
00:20 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: insmodding alright too?
00:20 < Freak> how can I reboot with no /dev/initctl?
00:20 < Freak> and even locate doesnt find it :)
00:20 < Freak> geeeez!
00:20 < Freak> :)
00:20 < rxr> Freak: this is a install environment - you can not do init* stuff inside the chroot !
00:20 < rxr> there is no init running !!!!
00:21 < Freak> lol ic :)
00:21 < rxr> exit your shell and do a shutdown in the bootdisk
00:21 < Freak> there must be some consoles of the install environment left
00:21 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: "sd: no module by that name found"
00:21 < rxr> (as the docs say)
00:21 < Freak> yes.
00:21 < Freak> that did it
00:21 < rxr> just shutdown without any param is ok in the bootdisk ...
00:21 < Freak> what docs :)
00:21 < Freak> i said "reboot" now
00:22 < rxr> erhm - reboot will not unmount your filesystems ... - but anyway ...
00:22 < Freak> heh
00:22 < Freak> ah freak it :)
00:22 < Freak> booting for the first time.
00:23 < Freak> getting modprobe errors.
00:23 < Freak> no usb-related modules.
00:23 < Freak> Setting keyboard repeat rate and delay time - no alternative method for this platform: invalid agument
00:23 < Freak> +r
00:23 < rxr> Freak: yes - this is due to old rockplug - it has some hardcoded modules - just ignore them - with the next rockplug version this will be fone and pretty ...
00:24 < rxr> Freak: yes - this ok and known (in fact the kernel has no support to do this for PowerPC - and I had to improve the kbd stuff to not hang - but to not use the PC io-port method and hang your box
00:25 < rxr> I really do not know what other ditribution do hack around and not feed the stuff back into the open source world
00:25 < Freak> hm
00:25 < Freak> I don't understand this kinda stuff :)
00:25 < rxr> also VNC can never be compiled on PowerPC ... - just on ROCK now - upstream patch to be send ...
00:26 < rxr> so [CTG]Wibra 
00:26 < [CTG]Wibra> yes :)
00:26 < rxr> cat /proc/scsi/scsi does not list your disks ?
00:26 < [CTG]Wibra> it lists 2 cdrom drives
00:26 < [CTG]Wibra> my ide and my scsi
00:26 < [CTG]Wibra> but not my scsi hd
00:26 < Freak> lol
00:27 < Freak> this is fscked.
00:27 < [CTG]Wibra> already sent support request to qlogic, just in case
00:27 < rxr> hm
00:27 < rxr> the scsi disk support should be compiled into the kernel - and they should show up - strange ...
00:28 < Freak> I made an entry for debian in the yaboot.conf and said image=/mnt/debian/boot/vmlinux - when I try to boot it, it doesnt find the image for it doesnt find that directory on /dev/hdc5(debian) of course.
00:28 < Freak> when I say image=/boot/vmlinux, it takes the rock kernel for debian :)
00:28 < Freak> which, of course, fails :)
00:29 < [CTG]Wibra> also, is it normal that i can't open my scsi-cdrom drive now?
00:29 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: when you execute "dmesg | grep -i scsi" do you get something useful - like some warning or error
00:29 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: when the CDROM is mounted you can not open it - only when it is unmounted you can eject it ...
00:29 < [CTG]Wibra> i didn't mount it :( perhaps it did automatically
00:30 < [CTG]Wibra> but there is no cdrom present, don't see how it can mount
00:30 < Freak> rxr: it wants to insert an airport module. I don't have airport. and I won't have airport for airport extreme is not supported in linux (broadcom chipset)
00:32 < Freak> piece of shoot.
00:32 < rxr> Freak: mom - investigating
00:32 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: this is strange
00:33 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: a lot of timeouts in the output
00:33 < rxr> Freak: what do you mean with airport extreme - you do not have it, correct?
00:33 < Freak> right
00:33 < Freak> I don't and I won't as long as it isnt supported.
00:34 < [CTG]Wibra> on a sidenote, it detected my cdrom as a 32/32 while it is only 24/12, but this is not my biggest problem (just want it to use mainly as a reader, not writer)
00:35 < [CTG]Wibra> perhaps if i junk around in the settings of my scsi adapter :)
00:35 < Freak> boot: Debian
00:35 < [CTG]Wibra> or, set the scsidisk on another bus
00:35 < Freak> hd:6,/mnt/debian/boot/vmlinux: No such file.,
00:35 < Freak> .,=..
00:36 < Freak> wheeee my debian kernel panics!
00:36 < Freak> (booted by hand now)
00:36 < [CTG]Wibra> aiee ;)
00:37 < Freak> dang
00:37 < Freak> ah wait
00:37 < Freak> i guess i got it
00:37 < Freak> need to tell it which root to take..
00:37 < Freak> what was the syntax again..
00:37 < rxr> Freak: not only root - you also need to tell yaboot to use another partiion to get the image
00:38 < rxr> I just read the yaboot man-page cross - and I think 
00:38 < rxr> image=/debian-boot-dir/debian-kerne
00:38 < Freak> yes of course!
00:38 < Freak> I did that!
00:38 < rxr> partition=debian-partition
00:38 < rxr> should do the thing 
00:38 < Freak> does not :)
00:38 < rxr> nope I think you added the path where it was mounted inside ROCK Linux, correct ?
00:38 < Freak> but I'll check it again, now I'm not totally sure anymore.
00:39 < Freak> tho I checked it twice
00:39 < rxr> /mnt/debian/boot/vmlinux
00:39 < rxr> ^- wrong
00:39 < rxr> just /boot/bmlinux
00:39 < Freak> I tried that.
00:39 < rxr> and parition=<number>
00:39 < Freak> it didn't get the partition right then.
00:39 < rxr> partition even
00:39 < Freak> rebooting, hang on
00:40 < rxr> and you need a root=/dev/hda<number>
00:40 < rxr> if this does not work yaboot does not support dual booting to dists ....
00:40 < Freak> that would be pretty crappy.
00:40 < rxr> (never tried this ... - but it should work this way)
00:41 < rxr> you could copy the debian kernel into the ROCK Linux /boot dir ...
00:41 < rxr> this will work definetely ...
00:41 < Freak> yes..
00:41 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: so - you have many timeout ?
00:42 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
00:42 < Freak> wait, you say it needs a partition argument? ok I don't have this one, my bad
00:42 < rxr> Freak: yes - otherwise yaboot will search for the image on the ROCK Linux partition
00:42 < rxr> what kind of timeouts ?
00:43 < [CTG]Wibra> scsi: aborting command due to timeout: pid 335, scsi1, channel 0,id1, lun0 0x12 00 00 00 ff 00
00:43 < [CTG]Wibra> then bus reset
00:44 < [CTG]Wibra> hmm, only 1 timeout, i must have mislooked
00:44 < rxr> hm 
00:45 < rxr> what does cat /proc/interrupts say?
00:45 < [CTG]Wibra> but after it detects scsicdrom, it tries again at channel0
00:45 < Freak> uhm
00:45 < Freak> the manpage says 'partition' is a one-time option, if I get it right.
00:45 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: irq11 xt-pic qla1280
00:45 < rxr> it is lised in the PER-IMAGE-OPTIONS
00:46 < rxr> PER-IMAGE SECTIONS
00:46 < rxr>        A per-image section starts with either a line
00:46 < rxr>        partition=part_no
00:46 < rxr>               Specifies the default partition number (a digit, hda1 is part_no
00:46 < rxr> ...
00:46 < Freak> oh
00:46 < Freak> hm
00:46 < Freak> scuse me.
00:46 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: and the relevant part of lspci ? ,-)
00:47 < [CTG]Wibra> lspci?
00:47 < Freak> ok now it's looking for the kernel on the right partition but I forgot to change the image from /mnt/debian to / :)
00:47 < [CTG]Wibra> k, its a commond :)
00:47 < rxr> ;-)
00:48 < [CTG]Wibra> "scsi storage controller: blablabla isp12160 dual channel ultra 3 scsi procesoor rev05
00:48 < rxr> hm - I once hat the complete SCSI Spec - where is it fone - damn
00:48 < rxr> cytrinox: and the dma, io-port and irq configs ?
00:48 < rxr> oh - cool - google works again for me ;-)
00:49 < Freak> xf86cfg exits 1
00:51 < rxr> Freak: ah well - XFree is a bit touchy on PowerPC ...
00:51 < rxr> Freak: the best is just to try your debian config ...
00:51 < Freak> aaaaaahhhh did you just say debian?!!
00:51 < Freak> :)))
00:52 < rxr> Freak: nope
00:53 < rxr> I said Debian - but did not meant Debian are the only ones that get it right
00:53 < rxr> in fact for the XFree drivers are just fsck
00:53 < Freak> =)
00:53 < rxr> for my ati it does not work to setup the LCD port - so I need Option "UseFBDev"
00:53 < rxr> and all is fine - X then uses the FrameBuffer to swtich the mode
00:53 < Freak> duh X doesnt start up
00:53 < rxr> this is not different on Debian
00:54 < rxr> s.th. similar might be needed for you nvidia card - I have not such a card ...
00:54 < rxr> Freak: what is the errror now ?
00:54 < rxr> (maybe the only thing that needs to be adapted is the mouse device node ...)=
00:54 < Freak> investigating..
00:55 < Freak> it doesnt find the nv driver I'm using..
00:56 < Freak> I'm not sure if this is actually in debian
00:56 < Freak> I installed some unofficial packages
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00:57 < rxr> Freak: did you had hardware 3d with your nvidia card?
00:57 < Freak> no
00:57 < Freak> are there drivers for nvidia-3d?
00:57 < Freak> (ppc)
00:57 < Freak> there are no official drivers by nvidia
00:58 < A-Tui> hola
00:58 < rxr> Freak: I do not know - this is why I asked. ...
00:59 < rxr> Freak: but strange - the vanilla XFree does not build a nvidia driver for PowerPC ... shit
00:59 < rxr> use the fb driver for the next hours
00:59 < rxr> I investigate ...
01:00 < Freak> how would I?
01:01 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: the command which fails for you is INQUIRY - this is the very basic command to get information about the device ...
01:01 < rxr> Freak: Driver      "fb"
01:01 < rxr> IIRC
01:01 < [CTG]Wibra> second
01:01 < [CTG]Wibra> brb
01:01 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: how many devices do you have on your SCSI bus ?
01:03 < Freak> huh
01:03 < Freak> it says no drivers available
01:04 < Freak> would I have to change the PCI BusID or something?
01:05 < Freak> I think I installed some unofficial dri-package to support the card..?
01:06 < rxr> a yes - with the fb driver you might beed the correct busid in the XF86Config ...
01:06 < rxr> you get the ID best out of /var/log/X...
01:08 < Freak> hrm
01:08 < Freak> I have something in my XF86Config, would it be a different BusID?
01:09 < Freak> its a different kernel so if its a kernel thing it might need something different.
01:09 < Freak> else something else is the problem.
01:09 < Freak> my mind is too messy to think clearly about that now :|
01:11 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: i have 2 devices on my adapter
01:12 < [CTG]Wibra> i should reboot to see which device takes up which channel/bus
01:13 < rxr> Freak: I would need the full XFree log to tell you which ID and / or error you have ...
01:13 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: nope - I just thought thay you might have some terminaton or too long cable problem ...
01:13 < [CTG]Wibra> i used lspci in verbose mode:
01:14 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: this is really bad - the developer of that driver should be able to tell more - I have neither the specs nor test hardware ...
01:14 < [CTG]Wibra> flags: bus master, 66mhz, medium devsel, latency64, irq11, io port at 1400[size=256]
01:15 < rxr> you have a 66Mhz PCI bus?
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> memory at f4000000 (32bit] [disabled] [size=4k]
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> euhm
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> how do i know?
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> mobo config?
01:15 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: is this an expensive server mainboard?
01:15 < [CTG]Wibra> no
01:16 < [CTG]Wibra> dell desktop mobo
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01:16 < [CTG]Wibra> the card itself is 64bit, but it sits in a 32bit pci slot
01:17 < rxr> why do you have this SCSI controler *sigh*
01:17 < [CTG]Wibra> :) cheapo in comparison to adaptec
01:17 < [CTG]Wibra> cheapo, but supporting ultra3scsi
01:18 < rxr> which OSs did run correct yet? Some RedHat and Windows?
01:19 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
01:19 < [CTG]Wibra> rh6.3 i believe
01:19 < [CTG]Wibra> how about: i install redhat, and then overwrite it with rock?
01:20 < rxr> the ROCK kernel would not be able to use the SCSI controler just as now ...
01:20 < rxr> only redhat? No other OS tried?
01:20 < [CTG]Wibra> well, yes. win9x and winxp
01:21 < Freak> rxr: just tried to scp the log to my server's public_html but I don't have net_working.
01:22 < rxr> Freak: ifconfig -a does say what?
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01:22 < Freak> eth0 wasnt configured.
01:22 < rxr> ah yes - you should use stone to set the default runlevel to 3
01:23 < SMP> hi, I'm just stopping by
01:23 < rxr> or enable network in the runlevel 2 (also in stone=
01:23 < Freak> http://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/guckmal/XFree86.log.0
01:23 < rxr> or just run /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start manually
01:23 < SMP> rxr: you marked the enlightenment category as done, but I don't see any changes in the tree?
01:24 < SMP> apart from the line in PKG-CATEGORIES
01:24 < Freak> rxr: ah. set default runlevel to three.
01:24 < rxr> SMP: I did not changed the packages .desc files jsaw: could you do this?
01:25 < Freak> switched to init 3 manually now
01:25 < rxr> SMP: you only asked for the category  ....
01:25 < rxr> Freak: ok - could you upload your config file
01:26 < SMP> rxr: uh, well, ok. I still have my list of packages, I can do it easily. should just add the category as a second one to each of these packages?
01:26 < Freak> http://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/guckmal/XF86Config-ppc_rock
01:26 < rxr> SMP: yes
01:27 < SMP> rxr: I guess I should leave out imlib2 / imlib2_loaders ?
01:27 < rxr> Freak: Driver needs to be fb
01:27 < rxr> not offb ...
01:27 < Freak> yes that was just a try
01:28 < rxr> the BusID should be correct
01:28 < rxr> 0:16:0
01:28 < rxr> SMP: yes
01:29 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I think the best is to try a new bootdisk image with an slightly newer kernel - and see if this helps before deeper investigation ...
01:29 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
01:30 < SMP> rxr: hehe, you mistyped the category - I'll patch that too ;)
01:31 < [CTG]Wibra> where do i find a newer bootdisk image?
01:31 < rxr> SMP: oh my - ok
01:31 < rxr> SMP: you could have sent a patch in the first place ...
01:31 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I can tell you when I rebuild it with the updated SCSI driver today (but after sleep ...)
01:31 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
01:32 < SMP> rxr: I should have stated in the task that I was on it (including .desc files)
01:33 < Freak> rxr: what kind of a "driver" does the config file refer to anyway?
01:35 < rxr> Freak: oeh the XFree86 video driver?
01:35 < rxr> Freak: I just created a modification to build nv for PowerPC
01:35 < fake> hm, where is libstdc++-libc6* ?
01:35 < rxr> I'll do this over the night on the rs6k - and we can try after sleep what it does on your PowerPC ...
01:35 < Freak> rxr: what is "dri" then?
01:35 < rxr> direct rendering interface
01:36 < rxr> err or infrastrcture ...
01:36 < Freak> uhkay
01:36 < rxr> an interface for DMA and some memory stuff for 3d - this are not normal driver
01:36 < rxr> bzw. DRI is a internal XFree86 API
01:37 < rxr> DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) is the driver part inside the linux-kernel ...
01:37 < fake> forget above dumb question
01:37 < rxr> Freak: ?
01:37 < rxr> errr fake?
01:38 < fake> nothing
01:38 < Freak> rxr: uhm thanks btw for nv
01:39 < Freak> thanks for the isos anyway
01:40 < Freak> btw the root entry in yaboot.conf has to be in non-devfs too, just saw that..
01:41 < rxr> Freak: to boot debian?, yes!
01:41 < rxr> Freak: could you point out the stone mis-configuration in the yaboot.conf?
01:41 < rxr> I can not believe a missing 0 after host ...
01:41 < Freak> uhm no
01:41 < Freak> there was a missing number after part
01:42 < Freak> and host was wrong two times
01:42 < Freak> but the number was not _missing_
01:42 < rxr> what? two times?
01:42 < Freak> yes
01:42 < rxr> (that is kinda impossible ... *wonder*)
01:42 < Freak> for the bootstrap partition it was "host0" and "part", would have been 1 and 3
01:42 < Freak> and for macosx it was host0 where it would have had to be host1
01:42 < rxr> could you mail me: pdisk -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc
01:43 < rxr> host0 and host1? Do you have two disk in your Power Book ?
01:44 < Freak> no the optical drive is host0
01:44 < Freak> (hda)
01:45 < rxr> heah? the CD-ROM ist on the pirmary channel and the disk on the secondary ?
01:45 < Freak> http://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/guckmal/partitions
01:45 < Freak> yup.
01:45 < rxr> erhm - why ?
01:45 < Freak> ask apple?
01:46 < rxr> erhm - aeh - gluck - schluck
01:46 < Freak> =)
01:46 < rxr> damn - ok then the yaboot setup will indeed fsck up ... - sorry
01:46 < rxr> I'll put this on the top of the todo for tomorrow ...
01:46 < Freak> :)
01:47 * Freak <- useful for rock development ;)
01:47 < rxr> yeah - indeed#
01:47 < Freak> (:
01:47 < rxr> ;-)
01:48 < Freak> it is good being useful ONLY ONCE *cry*
01:48 * Freak sets mode +owl for Freak
01:48 < Freak> scnr ;)
01:48 < rxr> ,)
01:56 < Freak> its fn cold
02:01 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: do you have the URL of the last qlogic patch you send handy ?
02:11 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ping
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02:13 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - now I found an even newer patch ...
02:14 < Freak> =)
02:18 < rxr> nope :-((
02:18 < [CTG]Wibra> im here
02:18 < [CTG]Wibra> where you found it?
02:22 * fake off
02:22 < fake> bye
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02:28 < rxr> o qla1280 
02:28 < rxr>   - manufacturer: QLOGIC 
02:28 < rxr>   - kernel: 3.00 (Jan 17, 1999)-> DANGER !! very outdated 
02:29 < Freak> http://www.symlink.ch/articles/03/09/12/1350252.shtml -- hahaha this is cool :)
02:29 < rxr> http://www.trained-monkey.org/jes/linux/
02:30 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: but the patch does not apply cleanly ... it needs much manual merging ...
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02:37 < mnemoc> rxr: 1999 and kernel 2.4???
02:37 < mnemoc> i think a 'merge' is not safe
02:43 < mnemoc> on january of 1999 the first -test of linux22 were released... so it's *highly* possible that the patch is designed for linux20
02:43 < rxr> which patch? the SCSI one above is for 2.4 ...
02:44 < rxr> ah - the comment? ;-) That is the driver date in the current 2.4 kernel - the driver just oopses on [CTG]Wibra  ...
02:44 < mnemoc> oops... i didn't see jes/linux link :) sorry
02:45 < rxr> I need to go to bed - my girlfirend would not be very happy otherwise and esden will come over in some hours ... 
02:45 < rxr> cu
02:45 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 
02:57 < [CTG]Wibra> gn8
03:45 < rolla> re
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03:59 < mistik1> oops
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05:54 < Pyro> hello
05:54 < Pyro> ping rolla
07:04 < blindcoder> moin
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08:09 < Pyro> hi blindcoder
08:09 < blindcoder> hi Pyro !
08:09 < Pyro> Wie geht es Ihnen?
08:10 < blindcoder> long time no see, how's life?
08:10 < blindcoder> Ah well... got a bad stomach atm, guesss I ate something bad...
08:10 < Pyro> life's ok i guess, and yours?
08:10 < Pyro> poor blindy
08:10 < blindcoder> yes, I feel sorry for myself, too :-)
08:11 < blindcoder> but besides that everything's fine ^^
08:11 < Pyro> good to know
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08:27 < Lightkey> omg aszlig ist ja auch da, und n00kie
08:27 < Lightkey> ciao
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09:29 < rxr> re
09:30 < blindcoder> moin rxr
09:45 < Freak> rxr: re
09:53 < Pyro> hi rxr und Freak
09:53 * blindcoder looking forward to today's Q-Audit
09:53 < Freak> hey Pyro
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10:10 < daja77> hi Pyro 
10:11 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
10:11 < Pyro> hello daja77
10:12 < daja77> moin blindy
10:12 < daja77> what's up?
10:16 < blindcoder> ah, nothing much
10:16 < blindcoder> just a bad stomach
10:16 < daja77> hmm
10:16 < blindcoder> I think the cheese on the "Jurafest" wasn't good..
10:20 < daja77> hmm don't trust lawyers ...
10:21 < daja77> well bbl
10:22 < rxr> blindcoder: Q-Audit ?
10:22 < blindcoder> I don't know what this has to do with lawyers, but it sounds good :-)
10:22 < rxr> hy Pyro  - how are you?
10:22 < blindcoder> rxr: yes, there's a ISO 9002 Quality Management Audit here today
10:25 < rxr> greating to all from esden ;-)!
10:30 * blindcoder waves to esden and throws a club at him
10:32 < Pyro> rxr: quite good and you ?
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10:33 < owl> moin
10:33 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:35 < blindcoder> I wonder if I can tell the Auditors to fuck off if they can't type my password...
10:44 < Pyro> blindcoder:  yes you can :)
10:44 < Pyro> owl: hello.
10:45 < owl> hi Pyro 
10:46 < blindcoder> Pyro: will it be good for me?
10:46 < Pyro> guess not...
10:47 < Pyro> but it might be fun to see the expression of their faces :)
10:47 < blindcoder> might be worth a try...
10:47 * Pyro still trying to get used to his new work schedule..
10:47 < blindcoder> might be even more fun because I won't be here anymore next month
10:47 < Pyro> 7pm to 4am... sun to thu ...
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10:48 < Pyro> blindcoder: cool, so you have nothing to loose
10:48 < Pyro> hi n00kie
10:48 < blindcoder> Pyro: wee, that means you will be here when I am here, too :-)
10:49 < Pyro> blindcoder: yes :)
10:50 < Pyro> i'm not back to rock dev, but i will get the cahnce to hang around often
10:51 < blindcoder> well, that's at least something :)
10:51 < Pyro> yeah :)
10:56 * blindcoder off to lunch
10:57 < owl> blindcoder: guten hunger
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11:30 * blindcoder back
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12:08 < [anders]> moin...
12:09 < blindcoder> moin moin
12:10 * [anders] went to Telford yesterday to pick up two NFC kittens, came back home with three..
12:10 < Pyro> hello [anders]
12:10 < [anders]> lo Pyro
12:11 < [anders]> Pyro: up late or early?
12:11 < [anders]> :)
12:11 < Pyro> [anders]: knows who am i ? (hope you do)
12:11 < [anders]> Pyro: easy.. :) /whois is your friend.. ;-)
12:11 < Pyro> [anders]: m... late.. my new work schedule is 7pm to 4am
12:11 < daja77> Pyro == party Mike
12:11 * daja77 hides
12:12 * [anders] thinks daja77 seen too much MTV Jackass..
12:12 < Pyro> little daja77 no need to hide
12:12 < daja77> ;-)
12:13 * daja77 trying to get some breakfast
12:14 < Pyro> you are getting brakfast and i am getting ready to go to sleep quite hironic..
12:15 < daja77> hehe yeah, gn8 Miguel
12:15 < Pyro> not yet... will be around for at least 30 more minutes
12:15 < daja77> guess i will need longer
12:16 < Pyro> ok enjoy :)
12:16 * [anders] wonders what mess he'll come home to, with three kittens on a rampage alone all day..
12:17 < blindcoder> [anders]: will you let them near the juice-maker?
12:18 < [anders]> blindcoder: err, no..
12:18 < [anders]> :)
12:18 < blindcoder> [anders]: well, then there should be no problem :-)
12:18 < [anders]> they have already discovered that the wallpaper it climbable..
12:18 < [anders]> s/it/is/
12:20 < [anders]> http://www.snowcapenfc.fsnet.co.uk/blue_and_white_boy_31-8-03.aJPG.JPG  <- the boy
12:20 < [anders]> http://www.snowcapenfc.fsnet.co.uk/minxski_and_arwin_31-8-03.aJPG.JPG  <- the two girls
12:23 < blindcoder> reminds me of the time my dogs had puppies... ^^
12:23 < [anders]> heheh
12:23 < [anders]> they are sooo cute..
12:24 < blindcoder> they sure are ^^
12:24 < [anders]> ^_^
12:25 < [anders]> the g/f decided when we had arrived at the breeders that she wanted another kitten. The two we were getting wasn't enough.. And she is a dog person.. :)
12:27 < blindcoder> a dog person buying cats?! STONE HER! :)
12:31 < [anders]> heheh... She seems to have converted.. ;-)
12:32 < blindcoder> Well, I have a dislike of cats... mostly because my grandmas cat hated me...
12:32 < blindcoder> please note that this doesn't include catgirls in Anime :)
12:34 < [anders]> hah
12:34 * [anders] doesn't get on with dogs that well.. and cats have better personality to match computer hackers..
12:35 < blindcoder> depends on the hacker
12:37 < [anders]> I suppose.. if one likes several hour long walks a day, dogs are excellent..
12:37 < blindcoder> nah, I just let her out of the front door, she chases the "Leonberger" from next door around town and returns home for dinner :)
12:51 < [anders]> heh
13:54 < blindcoder> uh-oh, here they come
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14:18 < fake> kewl: System Bootstrap, Version 5.3.2(9) [vatran 9], RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)                          
14:18 < fake> Copyright (c) 1994 by cisco Systems, Inc.                                       
14:18 < fake> C1000 processor with 8192 Kbytes of main memory              
14:19 < fake> IOS (tm) 1000 Software (C1000-BNSY-M), Version 11.2(16), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
14:19 < esden> hi all
14:19 < esden> hi fake 
14:19 < fake> hi esden
14:19 < esden> greets from berlin ;)
14:19 * fake found a serial/rj45 cable in his trash
14:19 < fake> esden: greetz to rebecca!
14:19 < daja77> O_o
14:20 < daja77> hi esden 
14:20 < daja77> hi fake 
14:20 < fake> hi daja77!
14:20 < esden> fake: who?
14:20 * -> esden does not know rebecca ... 
14:20 < daja77> rofl
14:20 < esden> hi daja77 
14:20 < daja77> s/rebecca/regina ..
14:21 < fake> ah
14:21 < fake> yeah
14:21 < esden> regina is currently at school going on nerves of some nasty children ;)
14:21 < fake> regina.. *whistles*
14:21 < daja77> lol
14:21 < esden> but I will greet her when she is back
14:21 * -> esden currently at rxr place ;)
14:21 < daja77> happy hacking
14:22 * -> esden making traffic on rxr connection ;)
14:22 < daja77> a friend is someone who let you waste bandtwith ...
14:22 < daja77> or so
14:23 < fake> procon-gw>show clock
14:23 < fake> *01:05:57.952 mez Mon Mar 1 1993
14:23 < rxr> a1re
14:23 < fake> Ctrl+a+1 re ?
14:23 < fake> ;)
14:23 < rxr> ,)
14:23 < daja77> <- bringing hi car into garage
14:23 < daja77> his
14:24 < esden> rxr: you have a strange mimic
14:25 < blindcoder> hi esden 
14:25 < esden> hi blindcoder !!!
14:26 < esden> (((( blindcoder ))))
14:26 < blindcoder> MEEP
14:26 < esden> (ofyi the quadbraces is a hug ;) )
14:26 < blindcoder> that's me :)
14:26 < blindcoder> ehm...
14:26 * fake has fund playing around with his own little cisco ISDN router
14:26 < esden> thanks rxr for that info ;)
14:26 < fake> -d
14:26 * blindcoder hugs back
14:27 < esden> fake: bonze
14:27 < fake> esden: no, i got it the polish way ;)
14:27 < fake> (it's from a set for a customer)
14:27 * blindcoder has fun confusing Auditors with a dvorak-layout on a qwertz keyboard :D
14:28 < esden> fake: you pole !!!
14:29 < esden> blindcoder: sure it is ;)
14:34 < jsaw> re
14:34 < esden> re jsaw 
14:35 < cytrinox> moin
14:35 < jsaw> hi esden 
14:37 < esden> hi cytrinox 
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14:50 < mnemoc> re :)
14:52 < esden> cu all
15:01 * blindcoder going home
15:14 < mnemoc> curl is broken or just for me?
15:14 < fake> it's broken on mips, too
15:20 < mnemoc> dope :-\ zlib is installing it's headers on /include :\
15:26 < mnemoc> /man, /doc, /include .... mmmm
15:31 < mnemoc> when prefix='', i think those dirs should be forced to be inside /usr
15:31 < mnemoc> opinions?
15:34 < fake> prefix='$root' ?
15:34 < fake> s,',", 
15:37 < rolla> re
15:54 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - inside /usr ...
16:11 < owl> rehi
16:13 < mnemoc> wb happyowl!!
16:14 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:15 < mnemoc> wb happyblindcoder :)
16:15 < owl> hi mnemoc *kick* . hi blindcoder 
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16:52 < mnemoc> rxr: do you think a global $includedir, and --includedir=$includedir can make any troubles?
17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not know - hm - I think this should work ...
17:05 < rxr> our detection will remove the options for packages that do not support this ...
17:06 < mnemoc> i'll send a patch right now :)
17:06 < rxr> ok
17:06 < mnemoc> my doubt is mainly related with include/linux
17:07 < rxr> mnemoc: we'll see ...
17:07 < mnemoc> :)
17:09 < mnemoc> did you know that there are 17 ways to write rene rebe in .desc files?
17:10 < fake> hi
17:10 < mnemoc> hi fake 
17:10 < rxr> mnemoc: 17 ways it is written - or it is possible to write ?
17:10 < mnemoc> it is :)
17:12 < mnemoc> i'll patch .desc to use only one 'kind of' mantainer per mantainer
17:13 < mnemoc> grep -h "^\[M\]" package/*/*/*.desc | sort -u
17:13 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - just did this ...
17:13 < rxr> mnemoc: please do not do this for mine - I'll just correct this ...
17:14 < mnemoc> ok
17:14 < mnemoc> cliff is withour email address in 224 packages
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17:31 < fake> hm... ios sure has its upsides..
17:33 < rxr> mnemoc: corrections committed ...
17:41 * fake configuring, configuring and configuring like mad
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17:46 < rxr> fake: ?
17:46 < fake> rxr: some cisco 1000 series ISDN router
17:46 < fake> rxr: first contact with IOS ;)
17:46 < rxr> some? you have many of them?
17:47 < fake> rxr: some in the meaning of 'i am not even exactly sure which one'
17:55 * owl shot's someone by random (shot /dev/null) *argh*
17:55 * fake falls to the floor
17:55 < fake> *roechel* thanks..
17:55 < owl> fake: *kick* you're not /dev/null and you're not working at "marktkauf ND"
17:56 < fake> u sure?
17:56 < owl> yes
17:57 < fake> muhahah.
17:57 < owl> hm?
17:57 < owl> aszlig: you here?
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19:41 < fake> SMP: ping
19:49 < rxr> re
19:52 < rxr> Freak: http://schillernet.dyndns.org/nv_drv.o
19:52 < rxr> could you copy it into your:
19:52 < rxr> /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers/
19:52 < rxr> change the XF86Config accordingly - and see what happens ?
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19:59 < owl>  HELP!!! my bf
19:59 < owl>  x3 SINGS
20:02 < fake> what does he sing?
20:02 < owl> die aerzte -s chundersong
20:03 < fake> aeh, what was the text? i forgot...
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20:04 < owl> http://www.lyriks.de/lyriks/display.php?id=d596627c76af626d7c56df7bdbbfac18
20:08 < SMP> fake: .
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20:33 < holyolli> moin
20:34 < holyolli> rxr: are you there?
20:35 < owl> hi pilot
20:36 < blindcoder> *yawn*
20:36 < blindcoder> damn I'm so sleepy >_<
20:37 < owl> damn, i'm feeling less than shit now. when we begin to complain about fscking life
20:37 < owl> whatever. i'm off. bye
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20:39 * blindcoder -> bed
20:39 < fake> n8
20:45 < fake> ...
20:45 < fake> lag lag lag... lalala
20:48 < holyolli> hi fake...but not only you has some lag-problems....
20:48 < holyolli> <-- has a lot of brainlag today... =)
20:48 * fake just experiencing strange network wierdness
20:49 < holyolli> fake: you saw some packet coming out of the wire and playing twister in front of you...?
20:49 < holyolli> if 'yes' is the anser: _no_ more drugs...! ;-)
20:49 < fake> holyolli: actually some packets played 'highway crossing frog' with the ac-cables
20:50 < holyolli> *lol*
20:50 < fake> now they're all doomed
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20:50 < fake> *brrzzzzt*
20:50 < holyolli> hehe
20:54 < fake> .oO( one should try to keep his ip addresses unique >_<)
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21:21 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
21:22 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: i don't remember where we left of yesterday
21:23 < rxr> that I would try to merge this even newer driver for a test ...
21:23 < rxr> but this merge needs some hours due to many conflicts ...
21:27 < tcr> moin all
21:28 < tcr> Oh, and away again (taking a shower)
21:29 < [CTG]Wibra> ic
21:36 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: maybe I have the time to merge this driver this night ...
21:38 < Freak> rxr: YAY! its wuh-kin!
21:45 < Freak> whats the default desktop, kde, huh?
21:48 < Freak> hum where's the default being saved? because changing it back to kde in stone doesn't seem to work
21:50 < Freak> what's ~/.hcwd?
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21:52 < fake> hardcore chicks (gone) wild daemon
21:52 < Freak> mmhh..
21:52 < fake> Freak: logout && login
21:52 < fake> it's a /etc/profile variable (WINDOWMANAGER), which get's re-evaluated on login
21:52 < fake> or do a '. /etc/profile'
21:53 < Freak> whee, relogin actually worked
21:53 < Freak> ah ic
21:53 * fake sometims know what he's talking about
21:53 < fake> >_<
21:53 < Freak> ;F
21:55 < rxr> Freak: the nv driver works ?
21:55 < fake> any suggestions: i need a cgi/php/whatever to control a dial/hangup and uptime of a isdn connection (linux)
21:56 < fake> via webserver
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21:59 < Freak> rxr: yup.
22:07 < tcr> re all
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22:11 < Freak> hum.. getting no audio at all w/ mplayer..
22:11 < Freak> yes I tried all -ao options
22:13 < Freak> hum
22:13 < Freak> setting gnome as default makes X not start up
22:14 < tcr> Oh. I think we did have that already
22:14 < Freak> rxr?
22:15 < tcr> Freak, doesn't audio work generally?
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22:15 < Freak> and waimea makes X start up and change the cursor to a pointer. then nothing happens.
22:15 < Freak> tcr: yes it does
22:15 < Freak> I thought maybe kde used up the audio driver
22:16 < Freak> so I wanted to change to gnome ... :)
22:17 < Freak> ah now its working
22:17 < tcr> fucking english and its damn confirmation! "yes it does" as in "yes, audio does completely not work"?
22:17 < Freak> i mean the sound
22:17 < Freak> i started wmaker again
22:19 < Freak> hum well
22:19 < Freak> dvd playback isn't noticeably faster.
22:20 < Freak> it's like.. still stuttering.
22:31 < rxr> yes - re
22:35 < Freak> so how do I rebuild it?
22:35 < rxr> hm - take a look to the handbook
22:36 < Freak> =)
22:36 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookpa2.html#x48-89000II
22:39 < Freak> tnx I will.
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23:03 < SMP> what the hell does glibc use libgd for?
23:04 < fake> funky gfx effects?
23:04 < fake> ;-)
23:06 < SMP> fake: http://home.arcor.de/armin.diehl/#i4lmon
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23:07 < owl> remoin
23:08 < fake> SMP: too late. already finished own implementation ;)
23:08 < fake> SMP: but thanks.
23:15 < fake> SMP: 901 byte shellscript did the job.
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23:18 < jsaw> re
23:18 < owl> wb jsaw 
23:18 < jsaw> hi owl 
23:23 < rxr> hi jsaw 
23:23 < jsaw> hi rxr 
23:24 < rxr> SMP: malloc visualizatio IIRC
23:34 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,265691,00.html << ouch
23:34 * daja77 sneakes in silently
23:35 < fake> hi daja
23:35 < daja77> hi fake
23:35 < daja77> car is in repair now ;-)
23:36 < owl> hi daja77 
23:36 < fake> good...
23:36 < daja77> huhu owl
23:37 * fake wants to scream
23:37 < daja77> do it!
23:38 < owl> .oO(take something and "werf es" agains the wall or so)
23:38 < fake> daja77: no, my brother is asleep, working late shift at audi, don't wanna wake him up
23:38 < fake> i have a much better idea...
23:38 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95221DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving")
23:38 < daja77> ah yes, audi, remembering that
23:39 < fake> my brother = lazy student not used to work hard
23:39 < daja77> <- lazy student
23:39 < owl> hehe. lazy student = normal student
23:39 < fake> <- lazy nothing
23:40 < owl> <- lazy null
23:40 < daja77> <- normal student
23:41 < fake> null has no attributes. so owl can't be lazy...
23:43 < owl> oh sure iam lazy... lying about 2 1/2 weeks in my bed, just switching on/off the PCs/notebooks, sleeping, going to toilette, eating, sleeping, bf comes, sleeping, chatting/writings mails... -> lazy
23:43 * fake nrn
23:44 < daja77> huh?
23:44 < owl> s/nrn/brb
23:44 < daja77> now reading news?
23:45 < fake> re
23:59 -!- Pyro [~mike@ip228-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
23:59 < Pyro> re.
23:59 < daja77> wb Pyro 
23:59 < Pyro> thanks daja77
23:59 < owl> hi Pyro 
23:59 < Pyro> hi owlita
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