--- Log opened Tue Sep 16 00:00:45 2003
00:03 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: any progress?
00:08 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: yes - with different things ....
00:08 < rxr> how long do you plan to stay awake ?
00:09 * Pyro realizes he has never seen [CTG]Wibra ..
00:09 < Pyro> hi rxr
00:09 < rxr> hi Pyro 
00:09 * daja77 goes to bed now
00:09 < rxr> Pyro: how is the live in CR ?
00:09 < Pyro> rxr: latest rock iso available?
00:09 < rxr> n8 daja77 
00:10 < fake> n8 daja
00:10 < rxr> Pyro: jups - rc1 for x86 and -rc1+fixes for powerpc
00:10 < Pyro> rxr: doing fine, had to change work schedule so now i am doing night shift..
00:10 < Pyro> rxr: location?
00:10 < rxr> but the powerpc one is not yet official - and I think I'll update it before I announce it ...
00:10 < rxr> Pyro: the usual ...
00:10 < Pyro> rxr: also waiting for a good friend to come visit next year ;)
00:10 < Pyro> rxr: ok 
00:16 * fake Goethes Erben - Abseits des Lichtes
00:25 < fake> "und in der blutlache spiegelte sich erneut meine eigene angst.. und wieder..."
00:26 < rxr> Pyro: yes - we are looking forward to visit cr, too
00:26 < Pyro> rxr: you already know that the doors of my house are open for you and Verena when ever you wish to come.
00:34 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: will you stay up some more hours?
00:37 < rxr> Pyro: do you still plan to come to the chaos communication congres over this december?
00:38 < Pyro> rxr: yes i do.
00:38 < Pyro> i was hoping you would save me a place @ the rock booth..
00:38 < fake> no, it's for members only!
00:38 < fake> ;-) j/k
00:38 < Pyro> thank you.
00:39 * fake curious - meeting the first costaricanianesian in his life
00:39 < rxr> we just wanted to offer you a place to sleep in our flat if you need one - maybe you can stay over new years eve?
00:40 < Pyro> rxr: sounds great, thanks i will take the offer :)
00:40 < Pyro> fake: costaricanianesian where did you get that word from?
00:40 < Pyro> :)
00:40 < fake> Pyro: neologism 
00:40 < Pyro> fake: costarrican is easier i think :)
00:41 < rxr> Pyro: ;-) Will Rebecka come with you?
00:42 < Pyro> rxr: i don't think so, she just started a new job, and its really sure that won't let her have one week holidays by then..
00:43 * fake off
00:43 < fake> cu
00:43 < owl> <- sleeping. gn8
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00:44 < Pyro> n8 owl
00:44 < owl> gn8 Pyro 
00:44 < Pyro> hironic i just woke up..
00:44 < Pyro> ironic even
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00:50 < dreamind> Hi
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00:52 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: yes staying up
00:53 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: imagine the honor rxr, being the first to get a 2.4.2x to work on my config :D
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01:13 < Pyro> Hola Aitor..
01:16 < A-Tui> hola Pyro
01:16 < Pyro> how are you ?
01:16 < A-Tui> i send a patch for i18n but i used a bad email :(
01:16 < Pyro> what do you mean?
01:16 < A-Tui> i have another mail register :)
01:17 < Pyro> i see
01:17 < A-Tui> tonigth i will send again with the good one
01:17 < Pyro> A-Tui: you do know that i left the rock linux core team right?
01:18 < A-Tui> daja77: told me the other day
01:18 < Pyro> please submit your patche for i18n directly to the list
01:18 < Pyro> patches
01:19 < A-Tui> ok, then you are not in Rock?
01:19 < Pyro> not at the moment
01:20 < Pyro> i do feel a lot of sympathy for rock.. i have been around for many years.. so i will try to submit little contributions again in the future
01:20 < A-Tui> Pyro: fine :)
01:20 < A-Tui> and how are you in general? yo got married true?
01:20 < Pyro> if rxr takes such contribs of course..
01:20 < A-Tui> you
01:21 < Pyro> doing ok, not ,arried yet
01:21 < A-Tui> ahh ok
01:24 < Pyro> ls
01:24 < Pyro> grr :)
01:25 < A-Tui> :)
01:33 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: If you get SCSI timeouts this usually means that IRQ routing setup is
01:33 < [CTG]Wibra> > wrong
01:35 < Pyro> ping rxr
01:36 < [CTG]Wibra> ping?
01:36 * [CTG]Wibra slaps rxr around a bit with a large trout
01:36 < Pyro> rxr: when was minimal target removed?
01:37 < Pyro> i don't see any nothe to this in the changelogs..
01:37 < Pyro> note*
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01:39 < Pyro> [CTG]Wibra: you new to rock?
01:39 < [CTG]Wibra> very new
01:39 * Pyro making some coffee...
01:39 < [CTG]Wibra> :)
01:39 < [CTG]Wibra> i can't get it to install
01:39 < Pyro> [CTG]Wibra: how do you like it so faR?
01:40 < Pyro> maybe you want to tell about ur problem on the instalation
01:40 < [CTG]Wibra> so i am not particularly liking it :) but hey, rxr is commiting himself to fixing it, so i don't give up yet
01:40 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: now my girlfriends is sleeping - so the driver get's merged now ..
01:41 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr, you can explain better perhaps :)
01:41 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: buz hey it is not ROCK Linux but the vanilla kernel in general - see e.g. Gentoo fails the same ...
01:41 < [CTG]Wibra> what's the "vanilla" kernel? the name for 2.4?
01:43 < Pyro> [CTG]Wibra: vainilla kenel = standard kernel from kernel.org woth no modifications.
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01:43 < Pyro> rxr: what happened to minimal target?
01:43 < rxr> it is a genral expression for a unmodified e.g. software package
01:43 < [CTG]Wibra> ic, as in "the standard flavor"
01:43 < rxr> Pyro: since it was only a package selection we now have package selection templates
01:43 < rxr> minimal and minimal+xfree
01:43 < rxr>  ;-)
01:44 < [CTG]Wibra> does kernel hacking involves the assembler language?
01:45 < Pyro> i see.. just was confused as i saw no comments of its removal on the changelog.
01:47 < Pyro> rxr: can use this "templates" to build only the minimal package selection?
01:47 < Pyro> or does this apply only for instalation?
01:47 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: for Linux only in rare cases
01:47 < rxr> Pyro: nope - during build time
01:47 < SMP> [CTG]Wibra: not necessarily, but good programmers check the compiler output for their code
01:47 < rxr> the selection templates can be applied to any target
01:48 < Pyro> rxr: how do i apply them?
01:48 < rxr> Pyro: you select the in the Config
01:48 < Pyro> checking...
01:48 < [CTG]Wibra> thank god. i guess you'd all have fucked up brains and talking shit like mov [bx],ax
01:49 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: to be hones I read more SPARC and PowerPC assembly ...
01:49 < Pyro> rxr: and where are this templates stored?
01:50 < rxr> misc/pkgsel/
01:50 < [CTG]Wibra> i just keep myself to basic school debugging :) (i386)
01:51 < Pyro> rxr: looks fine. thanks.
02:09 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - now I merged the stuff - and now I need to get it compile ...
02:09 < [CTG]Wibra> suppose i got/get the adapter to work, how will i know it did?
02:11 < [CTG]Wibra> i did a cat /proc/scsi/scsi after removing my scsicdrom, and i see my seagate appearing (but also my idedrive :( )
02:11 < rxr> hm - thing compiled
02:11 < rxr> the IDE CDROM is ok - we have to use an part of the Linux kernel that does SCSI emulation for IDE devices
02:12 < rxr> this is the only way to burn CDs with a IDE CD-Writer with Linux 2.4
02:12 < [CTG]Wibra> ic, but the ide is just a dvdrom
02:12 < rxr> with Linux 2.6 it is possible to use IDE-CD-Writers driectly
02:12 < [CTG]Wibra> or linux does this for all cdroms, just in case they have write capabilities?
02:13 < rxr> yes - the IDE<->SCSI emulation in Linux is not very good implemented this is why we limit it's use the CD-ROMs only
02:13 < rxr> your IDE disks will be used directly over IDE - this is faster and more reliable ...
02:13 < [CTG]Wibra> ic ic
02:13 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: nope - our default kernel does this for all CD-ROMs ...
02:13 < [CTG]Wibra> anyways, when running stone now, it does give me more options
02:13 < rxr> ok - so you removed a SCSI CD and your disk turn up ?
02:14 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
02:14 < rxr> how many discs have you connected to the SCSI bus ?
02:14 < [CTG]Wibra> 1
02:14 < rxr> btw I could send a new module over ...
02:15 < [CTG]Wibra> another new module?
02:15 < rxr> yes - the one I just merged together ...
02:15 < [CTG]Wibra> ah
02:15 < rxr> maybe it does perform even better ...
02:15 < [CTG]Wibra> i thought you merged a kernel
02:15 < rxr> _maybe_
02:15 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
02:15 < [CTG]Wibra> why not
02:15 < [CTG]Wibra> wurtel at pandora dot be
02:15 < rxr> yes - I merged this module modification in the current kernel (this patch was for a really old mangled RedHat kernel ...)
02:16 < [CTG]Wibra> i don't know what exactly that is, but thx anyway ;)
02:17 < rxr> sent 
02:17 < [CTG]Wibra> received
02:20 < rxr> do you test it this night ?
02:20 < [CTG]Wibra> yesyes
02:20 < [CTG]Wibra> rebooting
02:21 < [CTG]Wibra> already insmodded, didn't know how to un-insmod
02:21 < rxr> rmmod
02:21 < [CTG]Wibra> now with scsi cdrom back connected
02:21 < [CTG]Wibra> :( scsi bios is whining
02:22 < rxr> whining ?
02:22 < [CTG]Wibra> np, i'll get this fixed in a jiffy
02:25 < rxr> erhm - what is the exact problem?
02:25 < [CTG]Wibra> just something about auto-manual configuration
02:25 < [CTG]Wibra> already fixed
02:26 < rxr> hm
02:26 < [CTG]Wibra> insmod gives:
02:26 < [CTG]Wibra> "can't handle sections of type 905969725"
02:26 < [CTG]Wibra> md5sum?
02:27 < rxr> e215c64fc1bc8a628671bd90e696f454  qla1280.o
02:27 < [CTG]Wibra> okay, again bad one :)
02:27 < rxr> yes - damn floppies ...
02:28 < rxr> I have a Zip for years now - that is way better
02:28 < [CTG]Wibra> idd, plus floppydrive has seen better years
02:28 < [CTG]Wibra> have zipdrive too, but only one :)
02:29 < [CTG]Wibra> never really used it :(
02:29 < [CTG]Wibra> i bought it with my dell, i thought it was gonna break through. it never did
02:29 < [CTG]Wibra> formatting disk...
02:30 < [CTG]Wibra> :( i got the exact same md5sum as last time
02:31 < rxr> recopy onto the floppy
02:31 < rxr> or reformat it low-level
02:32 < [CTG]Wibra> i formatted floppy, copied onto floppy
02:32 < [CTG]Wibra> finding other floppy
02:33 < rxr> you could copy it say 4 times under a different name onto the floopy
02:33 < rxr> one is likely to survive ...
02:33 < [CTG]Wibra> :)
02:34 < [CTG]Wibra> exact same md5sum
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02:34 < [CTG]Wibra> on other floppy... kinda suspicious
02:35 < [CTG]Wibra> not?
02:35 < rxr> cytrinox`: hm - maybe the mail -- oO - maybe you mail application is too ...
02:35 < [CTG]Wibra> outlook express :)
02:36 < [CTG]Wibra> why you keep calling me cytronix?
02:37 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: because my nifty chat program has auto-completion - and when I typo too fast I do not look on the name it completede ...
02:37 < rxr> sorry
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> np
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> i know its me
02:37 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I resent the file tagged as binary data - I hope your mail application makes s.th. better out of it ...
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> this file you sent me has a better size
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> also 90k, like the others
02:37 < [CTG]Wibra> the other one was 155k
02:38 < [CTG]Wibra> md5sum checks out ok this time, insmodding
02:39 < rxr> the last one was sent quoted printable - and with mime type text - M$ software has special problems with quoted printable encodings - and maybe the mime type did the rest ...
02:39 < rxr> sorry
02:40 < [CTG]Wibra> keeping my fingers crossed
02:40 < [CTG]Wibra> YUESS
02:40 < [CTG]Wibra> woohoooooooo
02:40 < [CTG]Wibra> cdrom AND disk
02:40 < [CTG]Wibra> tytytytytytytyty
02:41 < rxr> NICE!
02:43 < rxr> ok - now you can install ROCK Linux finally ?
02:43 < [CTG]Wibra> yep
02:43 < [CTG]Wibra> just partitioned my disk
02:45 < [CTG]Wibra> installing...
02:46 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I made a change to the partitionizer today - the new one lists the anayzed content typo of the filesystem in the menu - like e.g. Windows VFAT, Linux Swap, or ReierFS and so on
02:46 < rxr> hm - it comes to my mind that your system will not bootup due to the defeact SCSI code in the kernel
02:47 < rxr> you would need to put the module into your system, too
02:47 < [CTG]Wibra> *gulp*
02:47 < [CTG]Wibra> i forgot something
02:47 < [CTG]Wibra> creating filesystem
02:47 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: we will work this out here 
02:47 < [CTG]Wibra> ext2 or 3 ?
02:47 < rxr> what you want - I would prefer ext3 ...
02:48 < rxr> (or ReiserFS ...)
02:48 < [CTG]Wibra> hmm, i need to manualle create different partitions for the swap and so on?
02:48 < [CTG]Wibra> if i remember well, my last linux used 3 different partitions
02:49 < [CTG]Wibra> forgive me these less-important questions, i can easily get this info elsewhere
02:50 < rxr> you only need two partitions - one for the swap - and one for the normal files
02:50 < [CTG]Wibra> on a 9gig disk, primarly server apps, what config would you take
02:50 < [CTG]Wibra> 8-1?
02:50 < [CTG]Wibra> total ram is still unsure, will lie between 128 and 284
02:51 < [CTG]Wibra> 384
02:51 < rxr> 128 or 256 MB swap-space
02:51 < rxr> the rest a ext3 filesystem
02:52 < [CTG]Wibra> i thought installed ram*2 for ideal swapspace
02:52 < [CTG]Wibra> will take 256
02:52 < rxr> well "ideal" depends on the workload
02:52 < rxr> on normal systems the swap is rarly used - and only wasted space
02:52 < rxr> for embedded systems you'll not have swap at all
02:52 < SMP> well, lots of swap on a workstation is mainly useful for swsusp these days
02:53 < [CTG]Wibra> swsusp?
02:53 < rxr> and when a server is constantly swapping you need to upgrade yoru RAM
02:53 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: suspend to disk
02:53 < [CTG]Wibra> ah
02:53 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: from our ROCK Linux handbook:
02:53 < rxr> Partitioning the hard drive is a matter of taste. It is a good practice to have a partition with a basic bootable Linux system - and a working bootloader (which is great if you need something to fall back on). That can be very convenient for performing maintenance tasks. Some people like a small /boot partition for their kernels or need this due to and odd ?1024 cylinder limitation? in older PC BIOSes, a partition for swap space and a
02:54 < [CTG]Wibra> well, it will mainly be just a router, and then some extra's. so i guess i don't need 1Gb of swap
02:54 < [CTG]Wibra> and of course you're right what you said about a swapping server
02:54 < rxr> I would use 128 or 256 ...
02:54 < [CTG]Wibra> 297,16 :)
02:55 < rxr> and for the first tests learning I recommend only one partition the '/'
02:55 < rxr> btw the Handbook is here:
02:55 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
02:55 < [CTG]Wibra> will have it handy
02:56 < rxr> the install process is not yet well documented in the book - it is on the top of my TODO for some days now :-(
02:57 < [CTG]Wibra> :) perhaps in a way i could help
02:57 < [CTG]Wibra> i'm a noob myself but hey, i could give it a try
02:59 < [CTG]Wibra> does the swap file need to be primary?
02:59 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: well those sections in the book are not that filled to if you have an addition feel free to send the lines per mail
02:59 < rxr> rene@rocklinux.org
03:00 < [CTG]Wibra> alright, i'll see if i can come up with something
03:00 < rxr> it is (normally) a swap partition - and it does not need to be a primary partition
03:00 < [CTG]Wibra> i'll quote you on the "and when a server is constantly swapping you need to upgrade yoru RAM"
03:00 < [CTG]Wibra> without the typo ;)
03:02 < [CTG]Wibra> buh :( still stuck at stone
03:02 < A-Tui> bye all
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03:02 < [CTG]Wibra> i got "part1 currently not mounted"
03:02 < [CTG]Wibra> i choose "create filesystem"
03:02 < [CTG]Wibra> ext3
03:03 < [CTG]Wibra> then "mount device scsi/... on directory"
03:03 < [CTG]Wibra> i type in "mnt/target"
03:03 < rxr> nope! just type in '/'
03:03 < rxr> why do you think you  need to enter mnt/target ?????
03:04 < [CTG]Wibra> ah. because theres a "mnt/source" too, and i already saw the "target" directory in the mnt dir
03:04 < rxr> ...
03:04 < [CTG]Wibra> and "source" being my bootinstall
03:05 < rxr> doesn't the -rc1 isntall already show the example '/' and '/home' in the top of the menu ?
03:05 < [CTG]Wibra> nope
03:06 < [CTG]Wibra> you should perhaps include a failsafe for users like me, who just go ahead and try to install without a partition :)
03:06 < [CTG]Wibra> otherwise you get "no disk space" errors all over the screen
03:06 < [CTG]Wibra> :)
03:06 < [CTG]Wibra> then again, n00b's won't go using rock i think
03:12 < rxr> hm
03:12 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root       746143 Sep 16 03:11 qla1280-ver-rxr.patch
03:12 < rxr> oO - this one is fat
03:13 < rolla> re
03:16 < rxr> hi rolla 
03:18 < rolla> hallo rolla
03:24 < rolla> grr
03:24 < [CTG]Wibra> frustrated?
03:24 < rolla> yeah
03:24 < [CTG]Wibra> because nobody says hello?
03:25 < rolla> no cause I said hello to myself ;)
03:25 < [CTG]Wibra> well
03:25 < [CTG]Wibra> what i said
03:25 < rolla> be == beilgum?
03:25 < Pyro> hi rolla
03:25 < rolla> hallo Pyro 
03:25 < [CTG]Wibra> "nobody" said hello :p
03:26 < [CTG]Wibra> idd, be = belgium
03:26 < Pyro> [CTG]Wibra: pardon?
03:26 < rolla> if I could spell
03:26 < [CTG]Wibra> not to you pyro
03:26 < rolla> mistik1: 
03:26 < rolla> MIke
03:36 < [CTG]Wibra> After the package extraction the STONE utility will lead you through a number of questions like the root password, keyboard mapping, language, hardware, network and offer you the possibility to setup your favorite boot loader.
03:36 < [CTG]Wibra> => it didn't
03:40 < rxr> hm - what packaged did you selected? full workstation - or did you modified it manually ?
03:40 < [CTG]Wibra> server
03:40 < [CTG]Wibra> after the last package, it did gave an error "not enough space for the here document" or something
03:41 < rxr> I meant the STONE utility will ask you whether to install all (workstation) or minimal base system
03:41 < rxr> and then you can modify the package selectio by performing manual single selection
03:41 < rxr> what have you choosen during this ?
03:42 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, i chose minimal
03:42 < [CTG]Wibra> no modifications
03:42 < rxr> hm
03:42 < rxr> but this should work - strange
03:43 < rxr> what "not enough space for the here document" error do you mean ?
03:43 < [CTG]Wibra> something with a temp folder?
03:43 < [CTG]Wibra> didn't  pay much attention to it, didn't seem important
03:43 < [CTG]Wibra> and then it asked me to umount/reboot of shutdown
03:44 < rxr> strange
03:44 < rxr> what does "df" output ?
03:44 < [CTG]Wibra> hang on, trying to get my scsidisk to boot :)
03:45 < rxr> erhm - this installation will not be bootable!
03:45 < [CTG]Wibra> no but at least my bios should detect my scsibios
03:45 < rxr> the bootloader is configured in STONE (which does not seem to be run on your box) - and the correctly working SCSI driver module for your card is missing inside the system
03:46 < [CTG]Wibra> :( as long as my scsiadapter isn't detected by my bios i will never be able to boot from it
03:47 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
03:47 < [CTG]Wibra> that works
03:47 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: what problems are with the detection=
03:48 < [CTG]Wibra> no prob, it didn't list my adapter, but it did list my scsi-disk in bios, so that's fixed
03:48 < [CTG]Wibra> so, how do i go about booting?
03:48 < [CTG]Wibra> using a bootdisk every time?
03:49 < [CTG]Wibra> for now i'll use the installation cdrom, ok?
03:49 < rxr> cytrinox`: nope you could cp the module into the system
03:50 < rxr> but this will not work in this special case, because due to my stupiditiy my official -rc1 build used 2.4.21 for the bootdisk and 2.4.22 for the system (don't ask I must have slept)
03:50 < [CTG]Wibra> but it's normal that i don't even see the slightest sign of linux when booting? my bios just lists "no OS found"
03:50 < rxr> so you get a module for 2.4.22 from me tomorrow (or so - it is already compiling but I modified some things ...)
03:51 < [CTG]Wibra> i think it should at least find the linux-variant of msdos.sys, and then crashing
03:51 < rxr> but the next problem is that it is a module and so not present during boot - this is what a initrd (inital ramdisk) is normally for - but this module misses the information to be added to a ramdisk automatically - I just added those and this is why I recompile the module ...
03:51 < rxr> so my updated module should work in 2.4.22 and be able to put into the initial ramdisk by the STONE utility ...
03:52 < [CTG]Wibra> i understand (i really do ;) )
03:53 < rxr> ok ;-)O
03:53 < rxr> I need some sleeop now - cu tomorrow
03:53 < [CTG]Wibra> so with the driver compiled in it, my bios will detect an os?
03:54 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
03:54 < [CTG]Wibra> oh ok, nn8
03:54 < rxr> n8 mnemoc and [CTG]Wibra 
03:55 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: oehm - does the BIOS detect s.th. before it executes the master boot recored - hm - I do not remeber about this detail - we'll see ... ;-)
03:55 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
03:55 < mnemoc> rxr: go to sleep :)
03:55 < [CTG]Wibra> :) yes, so you're fit to help me tomorow :)
05:02 < Pyro> mnemoc: 
05:06 < mnemoc> Pyro: 
05:11 < Pyro> coding again huh?
05:12 < mnemoc> yeap :)
05:13 < mnemoc> how is the new biz going?
05:15 < Pyro> doing good :)
05:15 < mnemoc> great ;)
06:47 < blindcoder> moin moin
06:47 < Pyro> moin blindy
06:53 < blindcoder> moin Pyro ^^
06:54 < Freak> mornings guys
06:55 < Pyro> hi freaky :)
06:55 < blindcoder> moin gal :D
06:55 < Pyro> gal??
06:57 * blindcoder hides
06:58 * Freak doesnt feel adressed.
07:02 < blindcoder> ah, nothin like a good fserver to get anime :-)
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07:05 < Freak> blindcoder: give me.
07:05 < Freak> :)
07:06 < Pyro> hi n00kie
07:07 < blindcoder> Freak: it wouldn't be useful, cause it's episode 24
07:09 < Freak> hmmmm
07:09 < Freak> do you speak japanese?
07:10 < Freak> and what series is it you're downloading?
07:11 * Freak be watching Star Trek VIII
07:12 < blindcoder> DNAngel, english sub
07:12 < Freak> hmmm
07:12 < n00kie> Hi Pyro
07:13 < n00kie> Bye guys, school. :/
07:18 < Freak> duh! 184euro for the star trek I-X moviebox :(((
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07:19 < Freak> weeee, its only about 100eur at amazon.uk
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08:02 < Freak> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/slashdot/tshirts/62d1/zoom/
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08:35 < netrunner> hm ... ssl over ssh over http ...
08:37 < blindcoder> netrunner: you transconnect too much :)
08:38 < netrunner> blindcoder: now that it works I consider using it for surfing anonymously in the company
08:38 * netrunner wonders if they track keepalive connections
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09:21 < Pyro> hi christ|an
09:23 < blindcoder> *yawn*
09:24 < Pyro> blindcoder: want some coffee?
09:28 < blindcoder> anything but that... the coffee here is decaf'ed
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09:31 < [anders]> moin
09:33 < Pyro> hello [anders]
09:33 < [anders]> lo Pyro
09:33 < [anders]> *yawn*
09:33 < [anders]> kittens kept me awake for part of the night..
09:33 < [anders]> "What goes thump in the dark" like..
09:37 < blindcoder> moin [anders], want some dogs? :)
09:38 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E390C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
09:39 < [anders]> blindcoder: no thanks..
09:39 < [anders]> three kittens is more than enough..
09:39 < blindcoder> hehe
09:43 < Pyro> [anders]: maybe blindcoder wants one?
09:43 < [anders]> Pyro: that is an interesting question.. :)
09:46 < Pyro> hehe
09:52 < blindcoder> nah, I just don't get along with cats... or they with me, depends :)
09:53 < Pyro> hehe
09:53 < blindcoder> I could however get along with a cute catgirl :D
09:53 * Pyro read blindy's comment and suddenly the word "pussycat" came to his mind..
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09:54 < blindcoder> hmm... I wonder what this mirror would do to him...
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11:13 < daja77> moin
11:13 < Pyro> moin daja77
11:13 < daja77> hey still here :)
11:16 < Pyro> yes.. i am off work in 40 minutes..
11:29 < Freak> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0309/isabel2_terra_big.jpg
11:35 < daja77> cool picture
11:37 < blindcoder> Pyro: lazy bum :)R
11:38 < blindcoder> nice pic, would make a great background :-)
11:43 < daja77> bbl, cu
11:48 < Freak> blindcoder: ack.
11:49 < Freak> 7mb animated gif of jupiter surface: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/archive/PIA02863.gif
11:49 < daja77> http://home.manuelm.org/~manuelm/webklitsche/
11:52 < Freak> hehehe
11:52 < Freak> "(erstellt mit Word 2000)"
11:52 < daja77> nice joke :)
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12:32 < rxr> re
12:33 < blindcoder> echo " Kill stupid VeriSign site..."
12:33 < blindcoder> $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -t nat -p tcp -d 64.94.110.11 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:2
12:34 < blindcoder> oops... sorry... EUSER2STUPID
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13:10 < DirtyGamer> Hello!
13:11 < DirtyGamer> Hi!
13:11 < blindcoder> hi
13:11 < DirtyGamer> Do you know how in installing RockLinux?
13:12 < DirtyGamer> do you have know how in installing RockLinux
13:13 < DirtyGamer> Is there anybody out there?
13:13 < blindcoder> a bit, yes
13:13 < blindcoder> where's the problem?
13:14 < DirtyGamer> I tried to install dRock 1.6.0 precompiled ISOs!
13:14 < DirtyGamer> Installation works great!
13:14 < blindcoder> mhm
13:14 < DirtyGamer> But after reboot Kernel says Kernel Panic I have no root! I want to scream!
13:15 < blindcoder> hmm, where is your root-fs?
13:16 < DirtyGamer> "/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0
13:16 < DirtyGamer> "/part2
13:17 < blindcoder> is your scsi-driver statically in your kernel?
13:17 < DirtyGamer> I donīt know!
13:17 < blindcoder> have you tried giving root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 as a kernel parameter?
13:18 < DirtyGamer> no
13:18 < blindcoder> then try
13:19 < DirtyGamer> one moment
13:22 < DirtyGamer> do you speak german?
13:24 < blindcoder> sure
13:25 < rxr> DirtyGamer: erhm - why have you installed dRock-1.6.0 - it is _very_ old
13:25 < rxr> and there is dRock (aka ROCK Linux - Desktop target) 2.0.0-rc1 on the servers ?
13:26 < [CTG]Wibra> well, because 2.0 is rc1, and 1.6 is final. (i think). i doubted myself too
13:26 < DirtyGamer> I canīt boot from 2.0 Iso!
13:26 < [CTG]Wibra> ah
13:26 < [CTG]Wibra> btw, hello people :)
13:27 < rxr> DirtyGamer: oh - how new is your hardware?
13:27 < rxr> hi [CTG]Wibra 
13:27 < DirtyGamer> I want to build my rock linux! And to build it I need an functionary Installation!
13:27 < DirtyGamer> Hi all!
13:27 < DirtyGamer> Itīs a P3 500 Mhz
13:28 < [CTG]Wibra> why won't it boot?
13:28 < DirtyGamer> I donīt know!
13:29 < [CTG]Wibra> other cd's (like win98) do boot? or just this one cd?
13:29 < DirtyGamer> only this one cd!
13:29 < [CTG]Wibra> which program did you use to write the cd?
13:29 < DirtyGamer> boot cd of 1.6.0 works perfect
13:31 < [CTG]Wibra> and besides not booting, the 2.0 cd is readable? (could be that it's just a bad write)
13:32 < DirtyGamer> its readable
13:33 < rxr> hm - we experiensed such problems since we swiched to isolinux for the CD - but normally this problems only happen with much oder hardware (<233Mhz MMX boxes ...)
13:33 < rxr> older even
13:33 < rxr> what does your BIOS say about the CD? Is this a SCSI CD-ROM ?
13:34 < [CTG]Wibra> rxr: lol
13:34 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: why "lol"?
13:35 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: btw. has your installation finished?
13:35 < [CTG]Wibra> "scsi cdrom" now why in the world would that give problems :)
13:36 < [CTG]Wibra> it finished yesterday before you went to bed
13:36 < [CTG]Wibra> but it's the booting ....
13:37 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: yes I now - but there was this space left problem - and the STONE setup tool was not showen to enter the root password and other hardware stuff, did it?
13:37 < [CTG]Wibra> nope
13:42 < [CTG]Wibra> now i did something else after the "start installation" on stone, i did a "back" and then it didn't install anything, but continued with the things like "root passwd" and keyb language
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13:52 < owl> moin
13:53 < blindcoder> moin moin
13:55 < DirtyGamer> moin
13:56 < [CTG]Wibra> "insmod 8139too failed"
13:58 < rxr> you hgave a 8139 ?
13:58 < rxr> maybe yours is the 8139cp ?
13:58 < rxr> btw, is this your card:
13:58 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3430790545&category=31494
14:08 < [CTG]Wibra> no it is not
14:08 < [CTG]Wibra> i have a qla12160
14:10 < [CTG]Wibra> i have two standard pci ethernet cards with realtek chipset
14:11 < [CTG]Wibra> ok, it boots, now lilo was written on mbr
14:11 < [CTG]Wibra> but of course "unable to mount root fs"
14:12 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - you get a new kernel image in a few seconds
14:12 < rxr> it has compiled this scsi driver in
14:13 < [CTG]Wibra> somewhere in the line of my bootup sequence i should load that driver. seems pretty easy to me, if i knew the linuxvariant of autoexec
14:13 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
14:16 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/bzImage
14:17 < rxr> nope you can not load it because the kernel cannot any SCSI device and so no config on your harddisk
14:17 < rxr> you would need an inital ramdisc with this driver ...
14:17 < rxr> plase the file as:
14:17 < rxr> /boot/vmlinuz
14:17 < rxr> into your just installed system
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14:19 < [CTG]Wibra> its's 1,67Mb how do i get it on a floppy?
14:19 < [CTG]Wibra> winzipping?
14:19 < rxr> no it is already compressed
14:19 < [CTG]Wibra> :(
14:20 < blindcoder> split is your friend
14:20 < [CTG]Wibra> hmm
14:21 < rxr> ok
14:21 < rxr> there are now the files
14:21 < rxr> xaa and xab
14:21 < rxr> the first is 1400000 bytes in size - the other has the rest
14:21 < rxr> copy them onto your linux system
14:21 < rxr> and then do "cat xaa xab > bzImage"
14:24 < rxr> 23a8ba43f4eedb9a10bb88a613b4e4f7  bzImage
14:24 < rxr> 8167debf31fb9092d41b4aee4c7900a2  xaa
14:24 < rxr> 999158ae8a540eec393dd8725071bff0  xab
14:24 < [CTG]Wibra> :) good thinking
14:31 < rxr> and, success ?
14:31 < [CTG]Wibra> euhm
14:32 < [CTG]Wibra> place it as "boot/vmlinuz" on my disk i spose, not the ramdisk
14:32 < [CTG]Wibra> ?
14:34 < rxr> yes - on the distk
14:34 < rxr> btw I did more work on the driver - and made an optimization configurable
14:35 < rxr> you could have a new image wich does Memory Mapped IO ... - which should be significatly faster ...
14:35 < [CTG]Wibra> euhm, this may sound stupid, but how i get it to the disk in stead of the ramdisk?
14:36 < [CTG]Wibra> i am now in 2nd stage
14:36 < [CTG]Wibra> with my driver loaded
14:36 < rxr> wow - there was quite much work done on the driver in linux 2.6 ...
14:37 < rxr> run stone
14:37 < rxr> mount your '/' parition
14:37 < rxr> quite stone
14:37 < rxr> cd /mnt/target/boot
14:37 < rxr> <place your new kernel here>
14:39 < [CTG]Wibra> i placed the bzimage there
14:39 < [CTG]Wibra> and renamed it to vmlinuz
14:39 < [CTG]Wibra> but there is already a file like that, and it didn't protect
14:39 < [CTG]Wibra> protest
14:40 < rxr> the minmal rm might be silent by default
14:40 < rxr> could you check that you did not mis-typed s.th. and that vmlinuz is now the new kernel ?
14:40 < [CTG]Wibra> no it still has a different md5sum
14:41 < rxr> christian_: what did you exactly type ?
14:41 < [CTG]Wibra> "rename bzImage vmlinuz"
14:42 < rxr> hm - have you checked the md5sum ob bzImage before ?
14:42 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, the bzimage has correct checksum
14:42 < [CTG]Wibra> the vmlinuz not
14:43 < [CTG]Wibra> i'll rename it in another dir, and then copy
14:44 < [CTG]Wibra> ? it doesnt do anything
14:44 < [CTG]Wibra> in /tmp, i do the rename command
14:44 < [CTG]Wibra> i ls, and there is still the same file
14:46 < rxr> normally rename is "mv" in linux
14:46 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
14:46 < rxr> I never used rename ...
14:47 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
14:47 < [CTG]Wibra> the vmlinuz is in place
14:50 < rxr> ok ;-)!
14:50 < [CTG]Wibra> now? reboot?
14:52 < rxr> umount /mnt/target
14:52 < rxr> shutdown
14:53 < blindcoder> did you run 'lilo'? or do you use grub?
14:53 < [CTG]Wibra> lilo was run with stone
14:53 < rxr> oh -
14:53 < [CTG]Wibra> (thus the lilo is in the mbr)
14:53 < rxr> then you would  have to rerun lilo inside the /mnt/target  :-(
14:54 < rxr> but you can try first - but maybe your box will not boot yet :-(
14:55 < [CTG]Wibra> :) it didn't
14:55 < rxr> did not boot
14:55 < rxr> ?
14:55 < [CTG]Wibra> ohwell, a boot more or less, i'm used to it
14:55 < blindcoder> WEE, esden's build is finally in stage 9 :)
14:55 < [CTG]Wibra> "unable to mount root fs on 00:00"
14:56 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - sorry
14:56 < [CTG]Wibra> vfs: cannot open root device "scsi...." please append a correct root= boot option
14:56 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: reboot the install cd
14:56 < rxr> use stone to mount '/'
14:56 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
14:56 < rxr> quite stone
14:56 < rxr> chroot /mnt/target
14:56 < rxr> lilo
14:56 < rxr> ah no - not lilo
14:56 < rxr> mount /dev
14:57 < rxr> mount /proc
14:57 < rxr> lilo
14:57 < rxr> ;-)
14:59 < [CTG]Wibra> is there a way to "softboot" linux? so not restarting bios, but just shutdown and restart kernel?
15:00 < [CTG]Wibra> i thought i once had that option onder dos, but don't know for sure
15:01 < rxr> people work on that - the project name is kexec
15:01 < rxr> but I do not know if it is already in a working state ...
15:02 < [CTG]Wibra> grmbl, sometimes insmod works, sometimes not. _another_ reboot
15:03 < rxr> hm - with what kind of error is the insmod failing ?
15:03 < blindcoder> think of it of a "seamless integration of windows-users into linux" :)
15:03 < [CTG]Wibra> no error, it just sits there
15:03 < rxr> and does not finish?
15:03 < [CTG]Wibra> idd
15:04 < [CTG]Wibra> it takes a while to insmod, but not *that* long
15:07 < [CTG]Wibra> sitting there... i'll give it a 2 minutes
15:09 < rxr> hm?
15:10 * blindcoder going home
15:10 < owl> bye blindy
15:12 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: does it work now ?
15:12 < rxr> btw: me just quickly reboót my iBook to test a new kernel ...
15:12 < [CTG]Wibra> k
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15:17 < [CTG]Wibra> voila, alldone
15:20 < [CTG]Wibra> kernel panic :)
15:20 < [CTG]Wibra> it booted and recognized my adapter and the connected device
15:20 < rxr> re
15:21 < rxr> and where was the kernel panic ?
15:21 < [CTG]Wibra> then suddenly: unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual adress 000000c
15:21 < [CTG]Wibra> kernel panic: attempted to kill init
15:21 < rxr> oh my :-(
15:24 < rxr> a1you have some stack trace output after the oops ?
15:24 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, but rebooting once more (maybe it was just bad luck ;) )
15:26 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, stack trace output
15:26 < [CTG]Wibra> i have to copy all that?
15:26 < [CTG]Wibra> 24 adresses
15:26 < rxr> hm - yes it is time consuming to do this by hand ...
15:27 < [CTG]Wibra> ill try and scan my screen :)
15:27 < rxr> scan ?
15:28 < [CTG]Wibra> with a scanner :)
15:28 < rxr> hm ...
15:31 < rxr> any progres ?
15:34 < [CTG]Wibra> scanner didn't work on its side, have to put screen on scanner
15:35 < rxr> well forget this
15:36 < [CTG]Wibra> the screen glares :)
15:36 < rxr> we need to check if my recent modifications on the driver broke it - or if I need to fix s.th. for the compiled into the kernel case ...
15:38 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/qla1280/qla1280.o-2003-09-16-1536
15:38 < rxr> ^- could you test this module inside the bootdisk ?
15:38 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
15:44 < [CTG]Wibra> checksum?
15:44 < [CTG]Wibra> 8407....dd48a
15:45 < rxr> 8407df8afbc1889a0003eedb403dd48a  qla1280.o-2003-09-16-1536
15:45 < [CTG]Wibra> k
15:45 < [CTG]Wibra> kernel version mismatch
15:45 < rxr> ah - shit
15:45 < [CTG]Wibra> forgot i got 2.4.21 :)
15:46 < rxr> damn - yes your bootdisk has the older kernel 2.4.21 ...
15:46 < rxr> what does happen when you insmod -f (to force it's load ?
15:46 < rxr> )
15:47 < [CTG]Wibra> ...waiting
15:47 < [CTG]Wibra> the previous worked if i unplugged my scsicd
15:48 < [CTG]Wibra> "module loaded"
15:48 < [CTG]Wibra> (with warnings of course)
15:49 < rxr> and do you have all devices listedn in /proc/scsi/scsi ?
15:49 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
15:50 < rxr> so it seems to work ok ?
15:50 < [CTG]Wibra> (i disconnected my scsicd)
15:50 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
15:50 < [CTG]Wibra> it works
15:50 < rxr> why did you disconnected your scsi cd - you once wrote it works with my laterst driver?
15:50 < [CTG]Wibra> well yes, but suddenly the last two times i tried, it didn't anymore
15:51 < rxr> oh - you did not told that ... :-(
15:51 < [CTG]Wibra> but no prob, booting with that kernel thing did load them
15:51 < rxr> hm - but when this module still works (to some degree) I need the trace information ...
15:51 < [CTG]Wibra> it's just that it might work, but it takes too long
15:52 < [CTG]Wibra> with just my disk connected, it's a reasonable amount of time
15:52 < [CTG]Wibra> like 1,5 minutes
15:52 < rxr> 1.5 minutes to scan the SCSI bus ?#
15:52 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
15:53 < [CTG]Wibra> but when i used that boot thing, it was more like 15 seconds
15:53 < rxr> oh - that does not sound correct - does it take an equivalent ammount of time under RedHat or Windows ?
15:53 < [CTG]Wibra> no, when the driver is in the boot proces, it all goes ok (windows, redhat, rock), it's just the insmod proces that takes so long
15:53 < rxr> hm
15:54 < rxr> ok - can you try to reboot into your installed system - and when it fails again write the wohle oops into an email (without typos ....) ?
15:54 < [CTG]Wibra> one thing different about this latest driver of you, is that it doenst correctly give the revision number of my seagate
15:54 < [CTG]Wibra> it should say rev005 , but it says rev000
15:54 < [CTG]Wibra> okay, ill boot and type the whole oops
15:55 < rxr> thanks
15:55 < [CTG]Wibra> why is it better to umount before shutdown?
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15:56 < rxr> well - the shutdown should do this ... - I just wanted to make sure it is umounted ...
15:56 < [CTG]Wibra> why is that necessary? to write any buffered data?
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15:59 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: it oopsed the same way ?
15:59 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
15:59 < [CTG]Wibra> writing everyting down
16:10 < [CTG]Wibra> written, double checking everything now
16:15 < [CTG]Wibra> sent
16:15 < [CTG]Wibra> afk
16:19 < rxr> ok
16:25 < rxr> hm - the anaylis reveals that the ide-scsi emulation driver crashes
16:25 < rxr> not the qla1280 one ...
16:25 < rxr> could you boot into the CD
16:25 < rxr> load the working module
16:26 < rxr> I need some info form the etc/lilo.conf in your system
16:26 < rxr> I think the config is wrong
16:26 < rxr> (but yet the ide-scsi module should not crash - but I already wrote the ide-scsi module is far from optimal ...
16:57 < daja77> hmm i thought that .Z fix is already included in svn:head
16:58 < [CTG]Wibra> alright
16:59 < daja77> still get tons of error for .Z files
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17:01 < holyolli> moin
17:01 < owl> hi daja77, pilot (aka holyolli )
17:01 < daja77> i holyolli, owl
17:23 < rxr> re
17:24 < daja77> wb rxr
17:24 < rxr> my brother phoned and well this took some time ...
17:24 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: have you mounted your '/' ?
17:25 < [CTG]Wibra> pff, i can't get the module to load
17:25 < [CTG]Wibra> now trying 3d time
17:25 < [CTG]Wibra> i guess that 2.4.21-2.4.22 difference is doing it
17:26 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: use the old working one from the last mails ....
17:26 < [CTG]Wibra> k
17:29 < daja77> damn new openssh exploit
17:29 < rxr> hm
17:31 * rxr updating 
17:31 * daja77 trying to emerge new version, can send patch if it works
17:32 < rxr> I'm already updating it ...
17:33 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: module loaded?
17:34 < daja77> rxr: ok
17:36 < [CTG]Wibra> insmodding
17:37 < [CTG]Wibra> loaded
17:37 < [CTG]Wibra> in 20 secs or so
17:37 < rxr> ok so mount root to /mnt/target
17:38 < rxr> cd /mnt/target/etc
17:38 < rxr> and "cat lilo.conf"
17:39 < [CTG]Wibra> no shuch file or directory
17:39 < [CTG]Wibra> (when cding)
17:40 < rxr> erhm you have mounted your '/' in stone or so ?
17:40 < [CTG]Wibra> yes
17:40 < rxr> cd /mnt/target ?
17:41 < [CTG]Wibra> under target: cdrom0, cdrom1 and floppy0
17:42 < rxr> have you already chrooted into your installed system?
17:42 < rxr> or what did you do after mounting it in stone ?
17:42 < [CTG]Wibra> chroot /mnt/target/
17:42 < holyolli> re
17:42 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ah! ok
17:42 < rxr> cat /etc/lilo.conf 
17:42 < rxr> ;-)
17:43 < [CTG]Wibra> "<rxr> ok so mount root to /mnt/target"
17:43 < rxr> yeah - mount - no chroot - but a chroot is also ok and valid / perfect ...
17:44 < [CTG]Wibra> cat output:
17:44 < [CTG]Wibra> boot=dev/scsi/.../disc
17:44 < [CTG]Wibra> delay=40
17:44 < [CTG]Wibra> lba32
17:45 < rxr> cat is boot exactly ?
17:45 < [CTG]Wibra> image=/boot/vmlinuz, label=rock, append ="root=/dev/.../lun0/part1" read only
17:45 < holyolli> does anybody has some hints about updating a fu**ed up 1.5 install? without reinstalling the whole machine?
17:45 < rxr> and this root is also of interest to me
17:45 < [CTG]Wibra> image=/boot/memtest86.bin label=memtest optional
17:47 < rxr> ok - I need the first boot= and the apend root= of the vmlinuz image ;-)!
17:48 < [CTG]Wibra> euh... how :)
17:53 < rxr> I mean the textual form you post them here, just the few lines ...
17:53 < rxr> daja77: update committed
17:54 < [CTG]Wibra> yes, but i didn't understand you quite
17:54 < [CTG]Wibra> you need the "boot= of the vmlinuz image"... how, what ?
17:57 < rxr> I need the first boot= line
17:57 < rxr> and the root= line of the vmlinuz image
17:58 < [CTG]Wibra> okay, so i did "cat vmlinuz"  .... definitely not good :)
17:58 < [CTG]Wibra> rebooting :)
17:58 < rxr> no!
17:58 < rxr> why do you reboot
17:58 < rxr> reset
17:58 < rxr> resets the terminal ...
17:59 < [CTG]Wibra> because i couldn't read anything
17:59 < rxr> reset
17:59 < [CTG]Wibra> every letter was some fucked up ascii shit
17:59 < [CTG]Wibra> ic
17:59 < rxr> yes
17:59 < rxr> reset
17:59 < [CTG]Wibra> well, for next time :)
17:59 < rxr> you could save half of your reboots ....
17:59 < [CTG]Wibra> idd
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18:00 < [CTG]Wibra> insmodding (again)
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18:02 < [CTG]Wibra> grrrr, its taking long again
18:02 < [CTG]Wibra> no response from keyboard
18:02 < [CTG]Wibra> okay it loaded
18:03 < [CTG]Wibra> mounted /
18:03 < [CTG]Wibra> now, tell me exactly what to do :)
18:04 < rxr> hm
18:11 < rxr> I posted this into the M$ feedback:
18:11 < rxr> I was courious to see what your web-service would say to my ROCK Linux PowerPC system.
18:11 < rxr> I was quite disapointed to see that it does neither detect the OS automatically nor was my Operating System present in the "Select your opwerating system" chooser.
18:11 < rxr> Additionally on the "checkos.asp" page only a note for Apply systems is listed. Maybe you could add a note that in general Linux systems are secure - maybe this is the reason you run it on www.microsoft.com ?
18:11 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: ok - chrooted?
18:12 < [CTG]Wibra> no
18:12 < [CTG]Wibra> wanted to be safe :)
18:12 < rxr> ok - so chroot
18:12 < rxr> and grep root= /etc/lilo.conf
18:12 < rxr> and grep boot= /etc/lilo.conf
18:14 < [CTG]Wibra> boot=/dev/scsi/host1/bus1/target0/lun0/disc
18:15 < [CTG]Wibra> append="root=dev/idem/part1"
18:15 < [CTG]Wibra> idem is that whole crap
18:15 < rxr> dev/idem/part1 ???
18:16 < [CTG]Wibra> *sigh* append="root=/dev/scsi/host1/bus1/target0/lun0/part1"
18:16 < [CTG]Wibra> didn't feel like typing :)
18:17 < rxr> and an ls /dev/scsi/host1/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 shows it exists ?
18:18 < [CTG]Wibra> fk
18:18 < [CTG]Wibra> the /dev/scsi does not exist
18:18 < [CTG]Wibra> i noticed it is impossible to start a sentence in mirc with "/dev" :)
18:18 < rxr> mount /dev
18:19 < [CTG]Wibra> part1: no such file of directory
18:19 < [CTG]Wibra> i used to think i knew what mount was, now i'm getting all mixed up.
18:20 < rxr> ok - slowly:
18:20 < rxr> you did
18:20 < [CTG]Wibra> part1 exists sorry
18:20 < rxr> ah ok
18:20 < rxr> hm
18:21 < [CTG]Wibra> i wanted to cd to it, but now i see its a file
18:21 < rxr> please do: mount /proc
18:21 < rxr> and run "stone" and install grub instead of lilo
18:21 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
18:21 < rxr> with grub we can change parameters on-the-fly ..
18:21 < [CTG]Wibra> i don't have to "uninstall" lilo i spose, grub overwrites the mbr?
18:22 < rxr> yes
18:22 < [CTG]Wibra> okay
18:22 < [CTG]Wibra> root= dev/scsi/.../part1
18:23 < [CTG]Wibra> boot drive: hd0,0
18:23 < [CTG]Wibra> created menu and installed in mbr
18:23 < [CTG]Wibra> reboot or edit the device.map ?
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18:24 < rxr> reboot
18:24 < rxr> ah no moment
18:25 < [CTG]Wibra> just in time :ā)
18:26 < rxr> I wanted to give you a new kernel without ide-scsi support ...
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18:30 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/qla1280/
18:30 < rxr> ^- xaa and xab
18:31 < rxr> or: bzImage-2003-09-16-1829
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18:31 < rxr> 021fa2b17f34028cd65a171b9f351143  xaa
18:31 < rxr> df40f036290d28e97c4ef5861ce3930c  xab
18:31 < rxr> a7e52744e4e20ea6a46f834de690b2fb  bzImage-2003-09-16-1829
18:31 < rxr> replace your vmlinuz again ...
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18:32 < [CTG]Wibra> k
18:35 < [CTG]Wibra> mcopy: command not found
18:35 < rxr> hm ?
18:36 < [CTG]Wibra> have to mount disk in stead of mtools
18:39 < rxr> yes - you normally should mount devices - I did not even knew that mtools are on the bootdisk (now on the to be removed list ...)
18:39 < rxr> (wasted space)
18:40 < [CTG]Wibra> :( they were so hany
18:40 < [CTG]Wibra> handy
18:41 < [CTG]Wibra> okay
18:42 < [CTG]Wibra> vmlinuz is overwritten (didn't ask for confirmation, but md5sum checks out ok)
18:42 < [CTG]Wibra> now reboot? :)
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18:48 < [CTG]Wibra> okay
18:48 < [CTG]Wibra> it got further this time, but still oopsed
18:49 < [CTG]Wibra> initrd: going to re-mount root now.
18:49 < [CTG]Wibra> vfs: cannot open root device "scsi/host1/../part1" or 00:00
18:50 < [CTG]Wibra> please append a correct root= boot option
18:50 < [CTG]Wibra> kernel panic: unable to mount root fs
18:52 < rxr> ah - ok
18:52 < rxr> you need to change root= from host1 to host0
18:52 < rxr> since now the ide-cdrom is not accessed as SCSI anymore (with this kernel)
18:52 * rxr is now swimming
18:52 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I hope others are here to help you
18:52 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
18:52 < rxr> I'm back in some hours
18:54 < [CTG]Wibra> it worked, i have a prompt!
18:54 * [CTG]Wibra is off for some r&r
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19:41 < nookie> rxr: Are you there?
19:41 < daja77> 18:52  * rxr is now swimming
19:42 < nookie> ah
19:42 < nookie> thank you danial
19:42 < daja77> np
19:42 < nookie> daniel
19:42 < nookie> :)
19:43 < daja77> in arabic it is indeed danial
19:43 < nookie> Hehe
19:43 < nookie> In "hebraeisch" it still get's write "daniel" :)
19:44 < daja77> well there is no e and no o in arabic ...
19:46 < nookie> they write backwards too...
19:48 < daja77> yepp from right to left
19:48 < daja77> except for numbers, there are left to write cos the come from india
19:48 < nookie> right
19:48 < nookie> the chinese people write from up to down
19:49 < daja77> heard sth like that
19:49 < daja77> <- never learned chinese
19:51 < nookie> Hehe.
19:51 < nookie> Damn, I need a bigger HD.
19:52 < daja77> hehe no room for movies ...
19:53 < nookie> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
19:53 < nookie>                       7.3G  6.1G  932M  87% /home
19:53 < nookie> hehe
19:53 < daja77> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
19:53 < daja77>                        66G   41G   22G  66% /scratch
19:54 < nookie> What contains your /scratch partition?
19:54 < daja77> needs some cleanup i guess
19:54 < daja77> several rock builds
19:54 < nookie> Ah.
19:54 < nookie> Most of them (all ;-)) are in my /home/Dev/Rock directory.
19:54 < nookie>  /home/n00kie/Dev/Rock
19:54 < daja77> :)
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19:55 < nookie> :)
19:56 * nookie np: DJ Hixxy - Set you Free (Remix)
19:56 * daja77 np: Johnny Cash- Hurt
19:56 < nookie> Johnny Cash?
19:57 < daja77> yepp, i have the video
19:57 < daja77> wanna have?
19:57 < nookie> I don't know him
19:57 < nookie> Don't know him :-)
19:57 < nookie> What does he makes for music?
19:57 < daja77> only 9mb video
19:57 < nookie> well, okay
19:57 < nookie> I can look at it :)
19:58 < daja77> wget http://207.36.117.143/video/cash_h_new.mov
19:58 < daja77> popular us musician who died some days ago
19:59 < nookie> ah
19:59 < nookie> Ahh
19:59 < nookie> now I know him again
19:59 < daja77> :)
19:59 < nookie> Is he the one with the burning ring of fire?
19:59 < daja77> dunno
19:59 < nookie> if so, I know him :)
20:01 < nookie> Hmm.
20:01 < nookie> Download aborted. :/
20:01 < daja77> this site gets a lot of traffic
20:01 < daja77> you can continue downloads with wget
20:01 < nookie> Yes.
20:01 < nookie> But I don't enabled the option.
20:02 < nookie> Should've download it with -c
20:02 < nookie> :(
20:02 < daja77> wget -c
20:02 < nookie> yea
20:02 < daja77> just redo
20:02 < nookie> Well, let's try
20:03 < nookie> If I'm right I read, that the download has to get started with the -c option
20:07 < daja77> in the second try yes
20:07 < daja77> otherwise it grabs the file again from the beginning
20:10 < nookie> I get connection timeout when connecting to the server
20:10 < nookie> Well
20:10 < nookie> I'll download the video somewhere other :)
20:10 < nookie> thank you very much for that, daniel
20:10 < daja77> hmm can have it from me via isdn ...
20:12 < nookie> No, thank you
20:12 < nookie> Don't want to make you "Stress" :-)
20:12 < daja77> it is no
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20:27 < tcr> moin all
20:31 < daja77> moin tcr
20:34 < owl> moin
20:34 < tcr> Hmm, that's actually quite cool. the open version of Borland's Kylix is released under the GPL, that makes my heart swing (well, a bit at least ;))
20:36 < tcr> Anyone having practical experience with cd-writing under 2.6?
20:37 < daja77> rofl, yeah that mean kylix belongs to us ...
20:38 < tcr> what's so funny? That fact will save me time and effort
20:41 * tcr eating Nudelsalat + H?hnchenfilet :P
20:41 < daja77> well i don't know if they knew what they were doin
20:41 < owl> *ARGH* "SYSTEMSTOERUNG" fscking vodafone!
20:42 < daja77> O_o
20:42 < owl> daja77: hm?
20:42 < tcr> daja77, hmm I think they've hided everything interesting in some library, though linking with gpl is a thing for itself, you know..
20:42 < daja77> which vodafone service you are using
20:42 < owl> daja77: "vodafone-quickcheck" (online)
20:43 < daja77> you need that for what?
20:43 < owl> (kontostand-quickchat)
20:43 < owl> check
20:43 < owl> to see my kontostand
20:43 < owl> or better: how much money i needed
20:43 < daja77> ic
20:43 < tcr> for purchasing new makeup and so on?
20:44 < owl> tcr: *rofl* vodafone is selling makeup? KEWL!
20:44 < tcr> owl: no "how much money i needed" ... "for purchasing ..."
20:45 < daja77> nah guess how much she wasted for telephoning
20:46 < owl> yes... or better: writing sms and gprs
20:46 < daja77> rofl
20:46 < owl> <-- not phoning much because of hating phoneing
20:46 < owl> why are you rofling?
20:46 < daja77> sms is imo the worst form of communication
20:47 < owl> .oO(server is up again... and i'm not having toooo much money wasted)
20:47 < tcr> Btw. do you know that t-offline were about ``purchasing'' the right to exclusively use the letter 'T' as a capital?
20:47 < daja77> yes i know
20:47 < owl> yes, but if you're sitting in the bus or so, and there is no pc with inet there and no bf is sitting near my side...
20:47 < daja77> erh you could read a book then
20:48 < tcr> I usually print articles and essays and read them while sitting in the bus
20:48 < owl> *har* so you 're not allowed to write "T-elefon" or so? what should i do, if i have to split up words while analog writing? have i to pay for that?
20:48 < daja77> www.t-error.de ...
20:49 < owl> tcr: i normally listening to music and wirting sms... or sitting in bus, hacking on notebook, listening to music (+/- writing sms)
20:49 < tcr> Unfortunately my "patrone" (damn, fucking! I can't remember/keep in mind the english word) of my printer is empty, so I cant do that at the moment.... result: I have still about 10 articles to read, and the stack is getting more and more :/
20:49 < owl> haha. wasted too much money on cigarettes and so? *vbeg*
20:50 < tcr> owl: Yeah, I read that in a satyrical comment which listed all nouns beginning with a T-, like T-shirt for instance
20:50 < tcr> owl: I neither smoke nor do I drink any alcohol
20:50 < owl> O_o ok
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20:53 < rolla> grrr
20:54 < daja77> hehe hi rolla 
20:54 < rolla> re daja77 
20:54 < daja77> :)
20:54 < rolla> I hate it when my favorite site is slashdotted
20:54 < daja77> which is?
20:55 < rolla> http://www.insecure.org
20:55 < daja77> hehe
20:55 < daja77> updating openssh?
20:56 < rolla> nmap
20:56 < daja77> yeah it is nmap home
20:56 < rolla> ailed: Connection timed out.
20:56 < rolla> Retrying.
20:57 * daja77 currently updating openssh on his and granny's machine
20:57 < rolla> yeah another hole
20:58 < owl> hi rolla  
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20:59 < owl> someone already has information about 20c3? (like: will there be busses, trains...?)
20:59 < daja77> no, there is some time 'til that
21:00 < owl> yeah... but when will normally the stuff be published?
21:00 < daja77> dunno
21:00 < daja77> guess in november
21:00 < owl> hm. k. thx
21:02 < rxr> re
21:06 < daja77> argl this laptop sucks
21:07 < daja77> bootsector invalid, after rock install *hmpf*
21:08 < rxr> it is not digitally signed by M$ ?
21:08 < rxr> *g*
21:09 < daja77> hehe
21:10 < tcr> "I think that when we put all the numbers together, we can estimate that there are a minimum of 30 billion Windows system crashes a year."
21:10 < tcr> ... "Thirty billion is the same as the estimated number of Earth-like planets in the Milky Way."
21:10 < tcr> Heh (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1210067,00.asp)
21:11 < daja77> .asp ...
21:11 < tcr> daja77, oh well, just the 'pcmag' should make you ponder ;)
21:12 < tcr> anyway, that article is short and quite funny
21:19 < jvc> does anybody know if the boot target should work? I have problems with mainly curses and terminfo
21:20 < tcr> jvc: I assume it ought to work, if it does is another question ;)
21:21 < jvc> in my situation it does not work, lots of problems compiling
21:21 < jvc> include files end up in wrong locations
21:22 < jvc> after moving the include file from /include/ncurses to /usr/include/ncurses most pkgs compile except for dump, but I hope I dont need that
21:23 * daja77 remembering esden working on dump ...
21:23 < jvc> by creating 2nd stage there are files missing for a bunch of terminfo files for instance usr/share/terminfo/v/vt100
21:24 < owl> better on dump than dumb
21:24 < rxr> jvc: oh - this /include stuff should already be fixed
21:25 < tcr> Wasn't there some issues with the bootdisk target lately?
21:25 < tcr> Ah.
21:25 < daja77> rxr: is there a special reason why i get all your mails twice?
21:25 < rxr> daja77: ehrm - haeh?
21:25 < jvc> the problems are with the bootdisk target
21:26 < daja77> rxr: for some strange reasons i got a bunch of your mails i already had
21:26 < jvc> and I updated via svn yesterday
21:26 < tcr> daja77, Only mails being a reply to a mail of you?
21:27 < daja77> no, rlml mails + commit mails
21:29 < daja77> hmm could be a local problem at my provider ...
21:29 < daja77> strange things happening today
21:30 < tcr> jvc: Yeah, it needs some thought why exactly new bugs cropp up when a different should actually be fixed..
21:30 < tcr> .. and how to prevent it etc
21:31 < jvc> tcr: thats always nice to have, but is someone aware of the problems?
21:31 < tcr> jvc, well rxr just told you that the /include stuff should be fixed
21:32 < tcr> jvc: and for the remaining problems just write up a mail. It's generally better as mails are not as flushyflushy
21:32 < tcr> flushy
21:33 < tcr> damn
21:33 < tcr> some shortcuts don't work >:(
21:33 < jvc> tcr: I know, I just wanted to check if this is a known problem
21:34 < rxr> tcr: I'm not aware of more problems
21:34 < rxr> I built a install disk before the prefix='' commit and all was fine
21:34 < rxr> I'm going to rebuild now ...
21:35 < daja77> argl that vienna mirror sucks
21:36 < daja77> a plain 404 would be enoug *sigh*
21:36 < blindcoder> daja77: an a plain 404 you can't place banner-ads, can you?
21:37 < tcr> rxr: I didn't want to blame you :) It's just that rock is, from its nature, too complex and as a result too weak against slight modification of the environment (I mean, even small divergences can emerge to bigger problems)
21:37 < nookie> Mail out, now go to bed.
21:37 < nookie> Good night.
21:37 < tcr> gn8 nookie
21:38 < daja77> blindcoder: perhasp no, but i don't care, it just sucks that curl downloads a html file and the script gets puzzled by this crap
21:38 < blindcoder> daja77: well, unfortunately $BIGCOMPANY doesn't care about you or me
21:38 < daja77> ahem this is a university, no?
21:39 < blindcoder> hmm... then maybe it's "admins" who have too much time at their hands
21:39 < blindcoder> but I still laugh about VeriSign DDoS'ing themselves :D
21:39 < daja77> :)
21:40 < blindcoder> and the quick help people offered them:
21:40 < blindcoder> patches for bind and djbdns
21:40 < blindcoder> small commands that help:
21:40 < blindcoder> echo " Kill stupid VeriSign site..."
21:40 < blindcoder> $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -t nat -p tcp -d 64.94.110.11 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:2
21:40 < blindcoder> *whistle*
21:41 < blindcoder> and voila, took some DoS off of VeriSign :)
21:41 < blindcoder> (I love phrasing it that way :D)
21:42 < daja77> heeh, yes
21:47 < blindcoder> but what if they sue me now for stealing them traffic? After all, they have ads on that page... so my "help" will lead to gazillions of dollars in lost revenue... WAAAAAH
21:47 * blindcoder runs and hides in a dark corner where they won't find me
21:47 < blindcoder> (dark corner also known as my bed :-)
21:47 < blindcoder> good night, everyone!
21:50 < daja77> n8 blindcoder 
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21:53 < rxr> hi jvc 
21:53 < rxr> erhm  jsaw_ 
21:54 < jvc> rxr: hi
21:54 < rxr> ;-) hi jvc - irrsi needs a better completation ;-)
21:54 < daja77> esden posted a link to a perl plugin which improves it ...
21:55 < jvc> rxr: ok, any results from your bootdisk build
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22:04 < daja77> why are cksum errors not mentioned in src/Download-Errors?
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22:14 < daja77> hmm interesting
22:14 < daja77> Emerge-Pkg openssh shows me this
22:14 < daja77> == 20:14:03 =[9]=> Building base/openssh [3.7p1 2.0.0-rc2].
22:14 < daja77> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: [: =: unary operator expected
22:14 < daja77> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
22:14 < daja77> seems to build anyway
22:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-091.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting")
22:22 < tcr> daja77, take a look at the last changesets on openssh. It's very likely that it got corrupted by one of them
22:24 < daja77> what do you want to tell me
22:27 < rxr> tcr: I do not think it is the last change - it is more liketly a config variable quoting or so ..
22:27 < daja77> yepp i think so
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22:52 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DDE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:52 < fake> hm, where has NickServ gone?
22:54 -!- [CTG]Wibra [wibra@D5E0A798.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux
22:55 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p508926F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:55 < ripclaw> helo
22:56 < ripclaw> any updates for rock ssh already?
22:59 < rxr> ripclaw: YES ;-)
23:00 < rxr> ripclaw: hi ,)
23:00 < ripclaw> rxr hi
23:00 < ripclaw> rxr pls check the servers installed binary stuff, too. i keep mailing clifford about certain machines, and he
23:01 < ripclaw> still runs way out of date versions of all kind of security relevant shxx, rxr
23:01 * ripclaw just updated the binar stuff on my 1.5.12 machiners
23:01 < rxr> my servers are updated
23:02 < ripclaw> rxr can i call you
23:02 < rxr> my main server even runs a jailed exim since a few days ...
23:02 < ripclaw> cool !
23:02 < rxr> ripclaw: sure! please the static number ;-)
23:02 < ripclaw> rxr i only have mobile phone of you
23:03 < fake> hi ripclaw !
23:05 < fake> narf...
23:05 < fake> i hate slow solaris boxen
23:06 < daja77> hi ripclaw & fake
23:06 < fake> (slow because some marketing drones don't know anything about database growth)
23:06 < ripclaw> hi all
23:06 < fake> hi daja77 
23:06 < Pyro> rippy
23:07 < daja77> Pyro°
23:07 < daja77> will he ever be Mike1 again ...
23:08 < Pyro> not in a near time..
23:08 < daja77> hehe you robot
23:09 * Pyro grabs his water pistol and shoots daja77
23:10 < daja77> [RHSA-2003:269-01] Updated KDE packages fix security issues
23:10 < daja77> nice ...
23:10 * daja77 grabs the gun from Pyro and shoots back
23:11 * daja77 now getting bigadmin newsletter from sun, wtf
23:13 < mnemoc> re
23:13 * ripclaw going for food soon
23:13 < daja77> enjoy!
23:15 * Pyro off for breakfast
23:15 < Pyro> cu later
23:15 * ripclaw is away: for food
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23:16 < mnemoc> anybody objects if i allow kernel names like linux2.6.0-test6-benh69-ctx17-rsbac-rock ?
23:18 < [CTG]Wibra> benh69-ctx17-rsbac?
23:18 < [CTG]Wibra> no objection, just curious
23:19 < daja77> sounds horrible ...
23:20 < mnemoc> yes, but tells the true and respect the authors
23:20 < [CTG]Wibra> as u suggestion: name it rock-revxxx and mention somewhere else what the revision/autors are
23:20 < fake> linux-someversionwithmanypatches-by-me ?
23:21 < fake> linux-like-you-care ?
23:21 < mnemoc> depending the patches you add to it
23:21 < fake> linux-shut-up-and-just-boot-me
23:21 < [CTG]Wibra> linux-aard-aswlig-blindcoder-cytronix-........-version2.02
23:22 < rxr> linux-scsi-qla1280-4-[CTG]Wibra ;-) ?!
23:22 < mnemoc> :)
23:22 < Aard> [CTG]Wibra: hm?
23:22 < mnemoc> brb :-\
23:23 < [CTG]Wibra> was just illustrating that everyone helping with the code should be mentioned in this way. don't know if you are a user or a coder
23:23 < fake> o/~ he's a user baby - so why don't you kill him ? o/~
23:24 < mnemoc> i was just talking about appending extraversions :-\
23:24 < fake> *g*
23:24 < [CTG]Wibra> lol fake
23:24 < fake> mnemoc: you are a well of inspiration
23:24 < daja77> hi Aard :)
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - ok - go for it ...
23:24 < mnemoc> thanks :)
23:24 < mnemoc> brb
23:24 < fake> mnemoc must be a muse ;)
23:25 < daja77> linux26-this-will-never-work-with-your-machine ;-)
23:25 < mnemoc> i have too much hear in my legs :(
23:25 < fake> o_O
23:25 < [CTG]Wibra> linux2.60-perhaps-windows-is-better-for-now
23:25 < daja77> rotfl
23:25 < fake> linux26-sponsored-by-sco ?
23:26 < Aard> hi and bbl :) 
23:26 < daja77> fake: forget it, this will be precompiled binary ...
23:26 < fake> daja77: and you'll have to pay to get the header files.
23:27 < [CTG]Wibra> pff, finally have rock installed. onto typing commands like "man ls" and "man bash" :(
23:27 < daja77> this will be the: don't-touch-touch-it-there-are three-lines-of-original-unix-code-included-linux 
23:28 < daja77> hehe yeah paying sco for saving us, from the pain of using free software
23:29 < fake> [ samba included in openserver ... ]
23:29 < daja77> yepp, most samba develeopers, had to shut up on this ...
23:29 < [CTG]Wibra> were do i find the config file which sets my keyboard language?
23:31 < rxr> [CTG]Wibra: I would recommend to run stone
23:31 < rxr> you can set it there
23:31 < rxr> most STONE / ROCK Linux specific config files are in /etc/conf ...
23:31 < [CTG]Wibra> ok
23:31 < [CTG]Wibra> as a future linux user i should know were i can manually set it, no?
23:32 < [CTG]Wibra> eek! no vi present
23:32 * daja77 'll see if he can fix that laptop manually
23:32 < [CTG]Wibra> whats the standard editor for rock?
23:32 < daja77> vim ...
23:32 < [CTG]Wibra> thx
23:33 < [CTG]Wibra> vim: command not found
23:33 < fake> nvi
23:33 < daja77> then your install is broken
23:33 < fake> export EDITOR=nvi
23:33 < daja77> *cough*
23:33 < fake> rm /usr/bin/vi && ln -s /usr/bin/nvi /usr/bin/vi
23:34 < fake> daja77: no vim in minimal target, i.e.
23:34 < daja77> oh really
23:34 < [CTG]Wibra> :p ;)
23:34 < daja77> <- hasn't used minimal so far
23:35 < fake> (read: generic target with minimal package selection template... *huff,huff*)
23:35 < daja77> :p i know
23:35 * daja77 will trying rock full bloat install on his laptop with 6gb hd ...
23:35 < [CTG]Wibra> didn't want anything grafical, so chose the minimal one
23:35 < fake> well, i was confused. suddenly my build id changed...
23:36 < [CTG]Wibra> hm; is this normal? "read-only filesystem"
23:36 < fake> where?
23:37 < [CTG]Wibra> when creating link (ln) or wehn just opening (or trying to) nvi
23:37 < fake> (at least better than a write only filesystem *frins*)
23:37 < netrunne1> [CTG]Wibra: mount -o remount,rw /
23:37 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
23:37 < daja77> hey netrunner is back
23:37 < fake> why is it mounted ro ?
23:37 < netrunner> daja77: much to work :) need money for zaurus 760
23:38 < daja77> netrunner: hehe, btw is your server back online?
23:38 * fake declares this e100 as "x.x dead as can be"
23:38 < netrunner> daja77: yeah, should be. but no ssl this time since i use 443 for transconnect.
23:39 < daja77> don't need ssl
23:39 < [CTG]Wibra> all my discs are rw
23:39 < [CTG]Wibra> or seem to be
23:39 * netrunner takes a lot of hw from his company ... stuff they declare crap like 5 isdn routers, 2 isdn telefones, a hp unix workstation
23:39 -!- [CTG]Wibra is now known as [n00b]Wibra
23:40 < fake> is there _anything_ top-like on solaris 8 BESIDES prstat (which is not there) ?
23:40 < jsaw_> re
23:40 < fake> omfg
23:40 < fake> solaris 7 ...
23:40 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
23:40 < fake> netrunner: hp workstation? which one?
23:41 < daja77> <- has a 710
23:41 < fake> <- has some apollo
23:42 < rxr> hi jsaw 
23:42 < netrunner> fake: uhm ... 
23:43 < jsaw> hi rxr
23:44 < netrunner> fake: it says HP VISUALIZE 81352
23:44 * fake wants
23:44 < jsaw> rxr: fresh build: tcsh and wdiff try to link termcap, mine tries curses (which is build, but as libncurses)... 
23:45 < rxr> jsaw: install or generic?
23:45 < jsaw> rxr: generic
23:45 < jsaw> rxr: mostly default settings
23:45 < rxr> ok - momemnt
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23:45 < netrunner> fake: ya know what I have there? tell me something! :)
23:46 * netrunner just saw a dvi connector ... but has 2 free pci slots, maybe I'll request my matrox mga from esden back
23:48 -!- rene [~rene@port-212-202-170-64.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:48 < rene> re
23:48 -!- rene is now known as rxr
23:48 < rxr> my screen was in some way freaked ...
23:48 < rxr> jsaw: could you propose patches for the problems you got ?
23:49 * netrunner -> bed
23:50 < daja77> hmm this is really frightening me, grub says all went fine with the install, but mbr is invalid afterwards
23:50 < daja77> had this problem before beta6 and now again
23:51 < jsaw> rxr: sorry, no. I'm too busy finishing stuff for my boss. Maybe late this night...
23:51 < mnemoc> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/14/2247230 <-- :-(
23:53 < daja77> oh my that was predictable
23:53 < rxr> jsaw: yeah sure - I did not meant immidiately ...
23:57 < daja77> hmm is this a bad sign when the chrooted part can't be umounted?
23:58 < rxr> daja77: usually user error
23:58 < rxr> a bash still in it - or dev and proc moutned
23:58 < rxr> or daemon running (gpm ?)
23:58 < Freak> daja77: yup.
23:58 < daja77> nope
23:58 < Freak> daja77: I always thought it was just a question of time.
23:58 < Freak> of course they have not taken action yet.
23:59 < rxr> Freak: just a matter of time
23:59 < daja77> ah ic, yepp i mounted devfs in chroot, had to ...
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