--- Log opened Thu Sep 18 00:00:15 2003
--- Day changed Thu Sep 18 2003
00:00 < daja77> but this is paid work, so i'll do it at work
00:01 < mnemoc> o_O
00:02 < daja77> rtrock is paid work for me, yes
00:02 < mnemoc> everybody is getting rock-bucks but me :(
00:03 < acm_kiki> mnemoc, maybe we need to THINK how can get paids with rock :>
00:03 < daja77> that's why it is laming a bit, cos i have not been at work this week
00:04 < mnemoc> acm_kiki: you get rh-bucks :(
00:04 < daja77> hehe
00:04 < acm_kiki> well.. hahaha not my foul, the ppl want to pay.. 
00:05 < mnemoc> btw, remove that stupid prefix from your nick!! :-\
00:06 < acm_kiki> acm is my name
00:06 -!- acm_kiki is now known as kiki
00:06 < mnemoc> just but sounds like the papers a have to read :(
00:06 < kiki> WHAT?!?
00:06 < mnemoc> acm.org
00:07 < daja77> kiki + fax ...
00:07 * daja77 hides
00:07 < mnemoc> :)
00:07 * kiki looks for his RHCE book,...
00:08 < kiki> good luck daja77..
00:08 * daja77 runs away
00:08 * kiki put the book in the above the monitor
00:09 * daja77 trying to fetch Mike's water pistol
00:10 < kiki> mnemoc, maybe we can sell specific-rock-distros, like small postgresql, or LTS isoboots :>
00:10 < mnemoc> i want 'runit' officialy on rock before that
00:10 < kiki> well, not the distro itself.. the phone support.. LD
00:11 < mnemoc> i have a design for a remote monitoring/update platform :-)
00:12 < kiki> for rock? :]
00:12 < mnemoc> sure ;
00:12 < mnemoc> ;)
00:15 * kiki go for EMPANADAS and 'rot wein'
00:15 < rxr> yes - all this special case stuff is what will take ROCK Linux into buisenes ...
00:15 < daja77> ack
00:16 < mnemoc> rocklinux-consulting.{de,at,nl,es,cl}
00:16 < rxr> ack
00:16 < mnemoc> forgot .fr :)
00:16 < rxr> and .cr
00:16 < daja77> hehe
00:17 < daja77> .sg ...
00:17 < rxr> well in fact over 100 TLD are missing  ;-)
00:22 < daja77> 973 builds total, 485 completed fine, 20 with errors.
00:22 < kiki> I can't run galeon.. :(
00:23 < daja77> hmm what desktop/wm you are using?
00:24 < daja77> rxr: i know but these should cover the countries with rock developers :)
00:24 < kiki> windowmaker, but I guess I have all the gnome* packages inned
00:25 < rxr> at least .us and .uk  ? ;-)
00:25 < daja77> ok you got me
00:25 < rxr> I just wanted to express that we need to ROCK the world ,)
00:25 < daja77> hehe yeah
00:25 < daja77> kiki: have you ever started gnome?
00:26 < kiki> :/
00:26 * kiki runs & hides
00:26 < mnemoc> "ROCK the world".. good slogan
00:26 < daja77> kiki: why running
00:26 < daja77> ROCK the planet
00:26 < daja77> or so
00:27 * kiki on WM+Mplayer+Rammstein'98 live aus berlin
00:27 < daja77> well try epiphany instead
00:27 < mnemoc> ROCK your neighbor
00:28 < daja77> mnemoc: erh this could get us anger ...
00:28 < mnemoc> :)
00:28 < kiki> linux on Steroids = ROCK
00:29 < daja77> kiki: iirc galeon needs some gnome config files in homedir which are not present when gnome wasn't run before
00:29 < kiki> OH
00:29 < rxr> daja77: oh - really? This sucks and is a bug!
00:30 < daja77> as i said iirc
00:30 < daja77> had this problem, cos i only started kde ...
00:31 < daja77> hmm starts up here
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00:31 < daja77> well i'll check with rc1 when i installed it on _my_ laptop
00:31 < mnemoc> new laptop?
00:32 < jsaw> http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/17/1720253.shtml
00:32 < daja77> no, that one which makes trouble with rock belongs to my sister
00:32 < jsaw> <- sendmail buffer overflow, new version
00:33 * daja77 hopes that openssh holds for a while
00:37 < daja77> ok killing rh7.3 on laptop with rc1
00:37 < daja77> .oO until now the machine works quite well ;-)
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00:46 < kiki> uhm
00:48 < daja77> wb kiki 
00:48 < kiki> thanks, well, I'm Emerging some packages I guess gnome neeeeeeds..
00:48 < kiki> im running my wmaker on a Xnest
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01:06 * mnemoc needs a /etc/pam.d from a rh7.0.... any kind rocker wants to mail it to me? :)
01:07 < daja77> too late
01:07 < mnemoc> :(
01:08 < daja77> rock install in progress
01:08 < mnemoc> bbl :'(
01:09 < daja77> cu mnemoc 
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01:10 < mnemoc> kiki: can you mail me your /etc/pam.d?
01:10 < mnemoc> (cu...)
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01:27 * rxr printing parts of the SCSI standard ...
01:30 * daja77 installing cd #2
01:34 < daja77> oh linux24 is on cd #2 ...
01:36 < A-Tui> hola
01:36 < kiki> Hola
01:38 < jsaw> daja77: yes, mine builds fine. just passed.
01:39 < daja77> cool
01:39 < daja77> stage 5?
01:39 < kiki> brb
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01:45 < rxr> hm - windows drivers
01:46 < rxr> the windows scanner driver send "40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00" from time to time
01:46 < rxr> I just needed to grep the SCSI SPECS to see what this is
01:46 < rxr> CHANGE DEFINITION
01:46 < rxr> where byte 3 (00) means:
01:46 < rxr> Use current operation definiton"
01:47 < rxr> s/^/"/
01:47 < rxr> how usefull is sending "operate as you current do" ????
01:47 < rxr> and I wonder why my SANE/Avision backend is faster then the original windows driver ...
01:47 < rxr> (well ok - there are more readons for this ... ;-)
01:48 < rxr> reasons even
01:48 < daja77> roflmao :)
01:49 < daja77> http://0x13.no-ip.org:1337/humour/RoflMao.jpg
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01:56 < daja77> hmm is there a special reason why we have a povray31 and a povray35 package?
01:56 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
01:58 < daja77> the homepage says
01:58 < daja77> Version 3.5 is a major upgrade from version 3.1 and we recommend all users who have a 3.1 version available for their platform upgrade to 3.5. Note that some 3.1 scenes that used features marked as 'experimental' may not render in version 3.5. If you have any such scene files we recommend that you keep your copy of version 3.1 installed.
01:59 * daja77 votes for removing povray31
02:05 < rxr> daja77: yes - ask esden 
02:05 < rxr> s/yes/me too/
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02:08 < daja77> okis, ask him when i see him
02:11 < daja77> hehe rh busy fixing openssh and sendmail
02:12 < daja77> dunno why but they are faster than suse ...
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02:20 < daja77> *sigh* full rock install aborted, no space left on device *grml*
02:20 < daja77> ok goin to bed then
02:20 < daja77> 5gb are not enough .oO
02:22 < daja77> cu
02:24 < rolla> re
02:24 < daja77> re rolla
02:24 < daja77> and bye
02:24 < rolla> ?
02:26 * daja77 goes to bed
02:29 < rxr> cu daja
02:44 < rxr> next XFree86 patch pushed upstream ...
03:10 < fake> g'evening
03:12 < rxr> yeah - hi fake
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03:52 < rxr> hehe haha *lol*:
03:52 < rxr> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, [iso-8859-1] Manuel Bez Larran wrote:
03:52 < rxr> > where is the function than decide the inline in gcc?
03:52 < rxr> >
03:52 < rxr> In the gcc source code.
03:56 < mnemoc> great answer
03:56 < rxr> yes - also a great question
03:57 < mnemoc> great question must get great answers ;)
03:57 < fake> i hate artists...
03:57 < fake> damn mac users...
03:57 < rxr> fake: erhm ? You know on what device I do my main work ...
03:58 < fake> rxr: as in 'happy mac os 9 users'
03:58 < rxr> os 9 - does your artist not yet discovered os-X ?
04:00 < fake> *knirsch* aaaargh
04:00 < rxr> ?
04:00 < fake> solaris 7, one 400 mhz usparc2, oracle 7 and netscape ldap 4.12. openssh 3.1.
04:00 < fake> do i have to continue?
04:01 < fake> ~14 GB Database
04:01 < mnemoc> /lib/gcc <-- why is that there?
04:02 < rxr> mnemoc: does not exist on my PowerPC rs6k ...
04:03 < rxr> I know of /usr/lib/gcc-lib/
04:05 < mnemoc> typo :-\ /lib/cpp <---- why is that there?
04:07 < mnemoc> package/base/gcc3/gcc3.conf:258
04:09 < rxr> linux standard
04:09 < rxr> i guess LSB or LFH ..
04:10 < rxr> FHS
04:10 < mnemoc> quite stupid :-\ what should do a +x inside /lib?
04:11 < mnemoc> (ignoring the fact .so are +x, but i mean user exec)
04:14 < mnemoc> "for historical reasons" ... hate that
04:15 < rxr> in ROCK we have quite few historical reasons - but this one would affect a lot of package I guess / bet
04:16 < mnemoc> you said /lib/cpp is really USED?
04:16 < rxr> yes - at least XFree - and all the Imake file onfes
04:17 < rxr> ones ... - maybe more ...
04:17 < rxr> I think I also saw it in mpg123 ...
04:17 < mnemoc> c'est la vie
04:20 < mnemoc> OT: you didn't answer my previous question... is telcel.ve sponsoring for SANE/Avision or you got another *big* user?
04:21 < rxr> yes the .ve bank really needs to get this fixed fast ... ,)
04:23 < mnemoc> "fixed fast" clients are G0OD client$
04:24 < fake> damn idiots
04:24 < fake> oh, we need to make backups of that ldap-serve?
04:25 < rxr> did someone ssh -e rm -rf'ed it ?
04:25 < fake> well, maybe there are some... somewhere...
04:25 < fake> not sure, the guy responsible for that got fired shortly after the project was _finished_.
04:26 < fake> (wondering why i have to fix _finished_ software)
04:26 < fake> find / -name '*.ldif'
04:27 < fake> i can't take ANY more.
04:27 < fake> i'm off
04:27 < fake> bye
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04:32 < mnemoc> damn.. i'll have to patch install_wrapper.sh :(
04:33 < rxr> bug ?
04:33 < mnemoc> cp $file $dir
04:34 < mnemoc> filter is not applied because $dir doesn't match $dir/$file
04:34 < mnemoc> set -x in progress
04:36 * mnemoc wonders how to handle is... ln works different than cp,mv,install
04:37 < mnemoc> s/is/it/
04:38 < mnemoc> multisources.. mmm... i need coffee... brb
05:06 < mnemoc> yes!! the mistake is mine ;) not a bug
05:06 < rxr> oki
05:09 < mnemoc> $root is not expanded when filtering
05:09 < mnemoc> option 1: expand it before
05:09 < mnemoc> option 2: make the wrapper to expand it :)
05:09 < mnemoc> the feature or the hack, thats the question
05:11 < rxr> sometimes I hate the XEmacs C or C++ indenting ...
05:12 < rxr> maybe after year I should consider switching to another primary editor ...
05:14 < mnemoc> have u used kdevelop?
05:14 < jsaw> what's the problem with indenting?
05:14 < rxr> it just get confused again - indents too much ...
05:16 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - but it is not nice for fat project where I want just to edit a few files
05:16 < rxr> I think more about kate or so ...
05:19 < mnemoc> can kate manage your emails an automagiclly write changelogs?
05:20 < rxr> nope - but I have not scripted XEmacs to run the bash/python apply script out of XEmacs/Mew - I dump the mail and run it manually - I had not the time to get into LISP deeper ...
05:23 < rxr> mnemoc: you argrue so much for Emacs - do you like it?
05:23 < rxr> (it is so seldom nowadays ...)
05:24 < mnemoc> its powerfull but too fat for me
05:26 < mnemoc> you are one of the few persons i know whom seem to _use_ it
05:29 < mnemoc> do you see any harm in filter="$( echo $filter )"?
05:31 < rxr> erhm - why ?
05:31 < rxr> a eval should do
05:31 < rxr> an even
05:31 < rxr> ii is too late ...
05:32 < mnemoc> sed -e "s,^$root/lib/\(.*\.a\),$root/usr/lib/\1,"
05:32 < mnemoc> that's the expression
05:33 < mnemoc> and $root is not expanded :(
05:34 < mnemoc> well.... you have to sleep :) 
05:34 < rxr> hm - an eval before the whole expression should do ...
05:35 < mnemoc> thisdest="$( eval "echo \"$thisdest\" $filter" )"
05:35 < mnemoc> weird
05:35 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - when I sleep now I do not wake up in the next 7 or 8 hours - and I need to accompany my girlfriend to some univiversity bureaucracy
05:36 < mnemoc> she can wake you up with a nice glass of cold water ;)
05:40 < rxr> well - I promissed her to wake her ... - she will be really angry when she finds me sleeping ...
05:43 < jsaw> rxr: the indentation problem is fixed, update your lisp files.
05:49 * rxr does so now ...
05:50 < jsaw> don't forget to set passive mode (efs sth. passive sth.)
05:50 < rxr> hm?
05:51 < jsaw> I have many problems without, wait, I lookup the option path...
05:53 < jsaw> Option/Advanced/Emacs/Files/Efs/Parameters/Efs Use Passive Mode
05:54 < rxr> what does it do ?
05:55 < jsaw> it set's the passive transfer mode for ftp connections
05:55 < rxr> hm.
05:55 < rxr> works fine here wihtout changing it ...
05:55 < jsaw> happy you!
06:07 < rxr> jsaw: indeed the bug is fixed ...
06:08 < jsaw> ;)
06:39 < jsaw> me going to bed... cu l8r
06:54 < rxr> sleep well jsaw 
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07:01 < blindy> dammit
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07:09 < blindy> echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger
07:09 < blindy> >_<
07:20 < blindy> and of course, the machine doesn't come up again >_<
07:22 < rxr> blindy: good!
07:25 < blindy> well, it was to be expected
07:25 < blindy> why good?
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07:29 < rxr> blindy: I just wanted to "stocher in der Wunde" ... :-(
07:29 < rxr> why did you rebooted it (this bruth-force way)?
07:32 < blindy> shutdown -r now didn't work either ._<
07:33 < blindy> I couldn't Ctrl-\ the build-process, my donkey didn't run anymore (minor problem), sendmail didn't accept mail anymore because too many procmail-processes were in state D...
07:33 < blindy> load was up at ~30
07:35 < blindy> now I have to wait until my parents wake up and tell them what to do :)
07:35 < blindy> but first, I'll go and get breakfast :)
07:45 * blindy back
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08:03 < Pyro> hi all
08:04 < Pyro> rxr: awake?
08:04 < Pyro> any iptables freak?
08:08 < blindy> hi Pyro 
08:08 < Pyro> blindy :)
08:08 < blindy> well, I know my way through them... what do you want to do?
08:09 < Pyro> ok here is the thing i am redirecting all incomming traffic to port 25 from a host to another one, this works good, but then i need host1 to accept incomming traffic traffic from host2 .. how?
08:10 < Pyro> i tried something" iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s host2 --dport 25 -j ACCEPT .. but doesn do the trick for me
08:11 < blindy> that should work, but you need the ACCEPT first
08:11 < blindy> so first the rule for host2, and then the rule for everything else
08:11 < Pyro> see what i got:
08:12 < Pyro> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i the0 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to host2:25
08:12 < Pyro> eth0*
08:12 < Pyro> so i just need to add the ACCEPT rule bofore it?
08:12 < blindy> yes
08:12 < Pyro> testing.. thank you blindy
08:13 < blindy> np
08:15 < Pyro> no doesn't work...
08:15 < blindy> hmm
08:16 < Pyro> blindy: is this maybe related to the fact that i ma redirecting using nat?
08:16 < blindy> try s/FORWARD/INPUT/
08:16 < Pyro> ok trying
08:16 < blindy> no, that shouldn't have an effect (nat)
08:18 < Pyro> no doesn't work either..
08:18 < blindy> strange
08:19 < Pyro> would ip_forward 1 and MASQUERADE enabled cause a mail loop when doing this?
08:19 < blindy> hm...
08:19 < blindy> no...
08:19 < blindy> another idea:
08:20 < blindy> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 25 -s host2 -j ACCEPT
08:20 < Pyro> what we are doing is redirecting mails getting to host1 to host2 so we test a new mail system.. then thewy are suopposed to be del;ivered back to host1
08:20 < blindy> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i the0 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to host2:25
08:20 < blindy> same table
08:20 < blindy> hmm...
08:21 < Pyro> i already have this rule...
08:21 < blindy> if worse comes to worst, try binding a second IP to eth0:0 and let host2 deliver the mails there... not nice, but might work...
08:21 < Pyro> if i try sending mails to host1 from host2 it will work fine
08:21 < Pyro> but when i enable the reidrection is just loops on host2..
08:21 < Pyro> i'm hating this..
08:22 < blindy> hmm... what about using a sendmail on host1 that just has host2 as smarthost?
08:22 < rxr> hi Pyro 
08:23 < Pyro> hi Pyro
08:24 < Pyro> blindy: wait.. maybe iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -s ! host2 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to host2 ?
08:24 < Pyro> blindy: can't do the sendmail - smarthost thing
08:27 < Pyro> YEAHHH!!! it works!! it worx!!!
08:27 * Pyro jumping all over the place like crazy
08:30 * blindy watches Pyro jump around, hit the ceiling and fall unconscious to the floor
08:32 < Pyro> grr...
08:33 < blindy> hihi :)
08:34 * blindy thinks about taking lessons to learn Japanese so that he can read his spam
08:34 < Pyro> its ok.. i will heal the pain with this white chocolate bar :))
08:35 < Pyro> _only_ to read ur spam ? .. come on think about as whole new way to watch anime :)
08:36 < blindy> Pyro: well... I really, absolutely, totally haven't thought of that yet :) but it is a valid point...
08:36 < blindy> "Screw those fansubs! I watch raw!"
08:36 < blindy> :)
08:37 < Pyro> of course it is.. and it would open a whole new world for you.. all those jap girls waiting for you to go and talk to them
08:37 < Pyro> :)
08:37 < blindy> hmm... *think* *think* *think* *break*
08:38 < Pyro> kernel panic?
08:38 < blindy> well, it's 15 x 1.5 hours for the basic course and just as much for advanced...
08:39 < blindy> ah, who cares, my parents already said they'd pay the basic course :)
08:39 < Pyro> good!
08:39 < Pyro> go ahead and take the course
08:39 < blindy> But I'd really liked for someone to join me on it >_<
08:40 < blindy> and I don't think esden will...
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08:40 < fake> mornin'
08:40 < Pyro> blindy: i would have joined if i was there..
08:40 < Pyro> hey fake
08:42 < blindy> he, I thought so :)
08:42 < blindy> fake: moin
08:42 < blindy> fake: how are you going to munich tomorrow?
08:46 < fake> blindy: tr41n
08:46 < blindy> fake: If you go to the demo tomorrow then I can offer you a ride home
08:47 < fake> blindy: holli and perhaps some other friends may join, so i think i'd stick to them (because i force them to come *g*)
08:48 < blindy> ok
08:53 < fake> but thanks!
08:55 < blindy> np :)
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09:03 * blindy evaluating UF
09:24 < rxr> daja77: a kde update for you ...
09:24 < rxr> (but not yet tested - will compile the next hours ...)
09:29 < Pyro> 0_o .. rxr is daja77 maintaining kde repos?
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09:33 < blindcoder> aah, feels good :)
09:36 < netrunne1> moin
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09:37 < blindcoder> moin netrunner 
10:03 < Pyro> ping mnemoc
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10:14 < blindcoder> moin moin [anders] 
10:18 < Pyro> master [anders]
10:18 < blindcoder> how are the kittens?
10:19 < Pyro> blindcoder: they are still waking up dady early? hehehe
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10:20 < blindcoder> hehe
10:20 < Pyro> i wonders if he would like to adopt a little puppy :)
10:23 < Freak> kittens?
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10:23 < Pyro> hey little Freak
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10:23 < Freak> [anders] has tiny little sweet kitties? omg!!
10:23 * Freak wants one :)
10:24 < Pyro> hehe
10:24 < Freak> my cat's seven years old already. I want a small one again :))
10:25 < Pyro> Freak: i don't have little kitties for you .. but myabe you can pet blindcoder ? 
10:25 < Pyro> maybe*
10:25 < [anders]> lo folks..
10:25 < Freak> I'm not sure if he's as fluffy..
10:25 < Pyro> [anders]: ah finally awake :)
10:25 < [anders]> mmm
10:26 < Freak> :)
10:26 < [anders]> Freak: I could dcc you a pic of the kittens I got.. :)
10:26 < Freak> yes you might but it won't work
10:26 < Freak> duzzn wurk.
10:26 < [anders]> Freak: how so? firewall in the way?
10:27 < Freak> yup
10:27 < Freak> I'm only masqueraded.
10:27 < [anders]> Freak: e-mail?
10:27 < Freak> http??
10:27 < [anders]> Freak: uhm.. one moment..
10:27 < Pyro> [anders]: Hur mar ni?
10:27 < Pyro> [anders]: btw sorry for the typos missing locales..
10:28 < [anders]> Jag mr bra tack. :) Hur mr du? 
10:28 < Freak> teach me, teach me!
10:28 < Pyro> [anders]: doing good thank you
10:28 < Freak> =)
10:29 < Pyro> Freak: what do you want to learn
10:29 < Pyro> ?
10:29 < Pyro> Freak: Talar ni Svenka?
10:30 < Freak> nej
10:30 < Freak> pas du tout ;)
10:30 < Freak> pas de tout
10:30 < Freak> omg
10:30 < Freak> i forgot all my french too
10:30 < Freak> but I never spoke svensk(?)
10:31 < Pyro> hehe Tala langsamt.
10:31 < Pyro> :P
10:31 < Pyro> ah well back to english, i don't suck that much on it.
10:32 < Freak> langsamt? sounds german :)
10:32 < Pyro> :P
10:33 < Pyro> mein deutsch ist scheisse Freak...
10:33 < Freak> wieso, ist doch perfekt :)
10:33 < [anders]> Freak: http://www.trudheim.com/kittens/kittens.html
10:33 < Freak> [anders]: wow!
10:33 * Pyro .o0(OMG he made a site for his kitties...)
10:34 < Freak> hehehehe
10:34 < blindcoder> WEE, now I already get spam about toupees...
10:34 < Freak> [anders]: beautiful. how old are they?
10:35 < [anders]> Freak: only three months, so they weigh about a kilo each..
10:35 < Pyro> blindcoder: Gott... you actually read your spam?
10:35 < Freak> [anders] :)
10:35 < Freak> [anders]: did you buy them or is the mother at your place as well?
10:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: christian_
10:35 < Pyro> greetings christian_
10:35 < Freak> s/the/their;
10:36 < blindcoder> Pyro: only when it isn't tagged as such
10:36 < Pyro> blindcoder: ok...
10:37 < blindcoder> then I pipe it to sa-learn --spam :-)
10:37 < Pyro> hehe
10:37 < [anders]> Freak: reload the page, there are now five pics on there.
10:37 < [anders]> Freak: we bought them, from a breeder called Snowcape in Telford, UK. :)
10:38 < Freak> in uk? omg :)
10:38 < Freak> wait
10:38 < Freak> you bought norwegian kitties in uk just to bring them to se? :)))
10:38 < [anders]> Freak: I live in UK.. :)
10:38 < Freak> oh I thought you lived in se?
10:39 < [anders]> Hopefully I will move back to .se in the future.. In about three years if all goes well..
10:40 < Freak> hum
10:40 < Freak> I wanna travel to the uk finally
10:40 < Freak> I havent been there yet
10:41 < Freak> I particularly wanna buy dvds actually ;)
10:41 < Freak> no I'm also excited about the beautiful landscape :))
10:42 < blindcoder> I'd be happy with a day of pure shopping in .jp :D
10:43 < Pyro> blindcoder: _only_ shopping?
10:43 < Freak> hehehe :D
10:43 < Pyro> blindcoder: best place for shopping honk kong actually..
10:44 < blindcoder> Pyro: still better than here...
10:44 < blindcoder> well, shopping and looking for girls, actually...
10:44 < Pyro> sure.. but hey your beer is way better ;)
10:44 < Freak> heh
10:45 < blindcoder> that's why only one day :)
10:45 < Freak> lol
10:45 < Freak> ^_^
10:46 < Pyro> hehe
10:52 < owl> moin
10:52 < blindcoder> moin moin owly
10:53 < Pyro> hi owlita
10:53 < owl> hi blindy, Miguel
10:53 < Pyro> ok folks i have a flight to catch see you in 4 days..
10:54 < Pyro> [anders]: Pa aterseende.
10:54 < Pyro> oh before i leave...
10:54 * Pyro hugs owly
10:54 < Pyro> cya.
10:54 < owl> bye Pyro . take care, please. 
10:54 < Pyro> i will owl.
10:54 * owl hugs Pyro :)
10:54 < Pyro> bye :)
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10:55 < netrunner> -> Running ROCK Linux 2.0.0-rc2 configuration ...
10:55 < netrunner> stty: standard input: Invalid argument
11:00 * blindcoder --> lunch
11:01 < owl> guten hunger
11:21 * owl shots herself: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,266134,00.html
11:28 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,265987,00.html
11:40 < daja77> rxr: :P
11:41 * blindcoder back
11:41 < owl> hi daja77 , blindcoder 
11:42 < daja77> hi all
11:43 < blindcoder> hi daja77 !
11:43 < Freak> for the guys with a recent mozilla-build: about:mozilla
11:44 < daja77> define recent
11:44 * blindcoder isn't recent, please explain
11:45 < daja77> .oO blindy is old ...
11:45 < Freak> recent.. just recent.
11:45 < Freak> if it's recent enuff, you will see :)
11:45 < blindcoder> well, then no
11:46 < owl> Freak: build nr?
11:46 < daja77> well nothing special there
11:46 < owl> <-- has: 2003082705
11:46 < Freak> mine is four days old.
11:46 < Freak> =)
11:46 < blindcoder> so, what does it say?
11:46 < daja77> send screenshots
11:47 < Freak> nah
11:47 < Freak> I'll paste it:
11:47 < Freak> And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
11:47 < Freak> from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15 
11:47 < Freak> and now I'm finally getting breakfast. brb
11:47 < daja77> rotfl
11:47 < blindcoder> hehe
11:48 < blindcoder> you sure you use mozilla and not firebird?
11:48 < Freak> yes of course. read it.
11:48 < Freak> =)
11:48 < Freak> brb <- no. really
11:48 < blindcoder> I have only known 3:31 and the thing with the blinking
11:51 < daja77> Freak: rotfl we have now the domain, http://www.webklitsche.de, and the page is now bigger and better ...
11:54 < Freak> lol
11:55 < Freak> blindcoder?
11:55 < blindcoder> Freak!
11:56 < blindcoder> "...and their tags shall blink in eternity..." IIRC
11:56 < Freak> lol
11:56 < daja77> hehehe
11:56 < Freak> never seen about:mozilla before actually i think
11:56 < blindcoder> would have to look it up on the IRIX running on the indigo2
11:56 < blindcoder> And the beast shall be made legion.  Its numbers shall
11:56 < blindcoder> be increased a thousand thousand fold.  The din of a
11:56 < blindcoder> million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
11:57 < blindcoder> the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
11:57 < blindcoder> The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
11:57 < blindcoder> too bad that there is no ISBN attached :)
11:57 < Freak> hehehe
11:57 < daja77> sounds like a boring book anyway
11:58 < blindcoder> well, kinda like The Bible
11:58 < daja77> exactly
12:03 < Freak> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html <-- weeee
12:04 < daja77> cool
12:07 * daja77 happy about all the commit mails from the night
12:09 -!- [n00b]Wibra [wibra@D5E0A798.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux
12:09 < [n00b]Wibra> gutentag leute
12:09 < daja77> good morning [n00b]Wibra 
12:10 < [n00b]Wibra> i got another question :)
12:10 < [n00b]Wibra> swapon is to mount my partition
12:10 < [n00b]Wibra> but in which startup file do i set this? cause now i have to set it manually each time
12:10 < daja77> /etc/fstab
12:11 < [n00b]Wibra> ty
12:11 < [n00b]Wibra> and in wich startup file kan i set my aliases?
12:12 < [anders]> .aliases, then you call that from your .bashrc
12:12 < daja77> /etc/aliases perhaps
12:12 < [anders]> test -s ~/.alias && . ~/.alias  in .bashrc
12:12 < [n00b]Wibra> thank you
12:13 < [n00b]Wibra> one problem: i don't have a .bashrc it should be in my root or home dir?
12:13 < daja77> both
12:13 < [anders]> what shell are you using first of all
12:13 < [n00b]Wibra> bash
12:13 < [n00b]Wibra> :)
12:13 < [n00b]Wibra> bash2.05b
12:13 < [anders]> then you should create the .bashrc in the home dir of the user in question. :)
12:14 < [n00b]Wibra> its root
12:14 < daja77>  /root is the homedir of root
12:14 < [anders]> under linux anyway
12:15 < [anders]> AIX uses /
12:15 < daja77> hehe
12:15 < [n00b]Wibra> where is the ~ sign on a german keyboard?
12:15 < [anders]> silly AIX
12:15 < [anders]> pass
12:15 < daja77> + sign
12:15 < daja77> alt-gr + '+'
12:15 < [n00b]Wibra> yes, but i don't have a german keyboard
12:16 < [n00b]Wibra> so where is the german plus :)
12:16 < daja77> why you ask then
12:16 < [n00b]Wibra> because rock has the german keyboard layout, i cant get it to my own language (used stone)
12:17 < daja77> no american layout is set, afaik
12:17 < [n00b]Wibra> ic
12:17 < blindcoder> the '+' is under backspace and left to return
12:17 < [n00b]Wibra> aha
12:17 < daja77> blindcoder: do we have german layout as default?!
12:17 < blindcoder> (a dvorak-guy answering questions about german layout...)
12:18 < blindcoder> daja77: no idea...
12:18 < [n00b]Wibra> well i dont know for sure, in any case its not azerty
12:18 < daja77> rofl, no
12:18 < daja77> it is american layout
12:18 < [n00b]Wibra> and i figured since the developers are german, that would be standard
12:19 < daja77> no, the american layout is the fallback on linux always
12:19 < [n00b]Wibra> damn arrogant americans
12:21 < [n00b]Wibra> damn i really hate nvi
12:28 < blindcoder> who (except big poobah) doesn't?
12:29 < [n00b]Wibra> last thing on my bootup sequence: fsck
12:29 < [n00b]Wibra> where is that configured?
12:30 < [n00b]Wibra> btw, i can configure my keyboard with stone, but every reboot its just back to american
12:32 < daja77> fake likes nvi ...
12:34 < blindcoder> fake's weird :)
12:34 < daja77> :)
12:35 < [n00b]Wibra> is there a way to pauze the bootup sequence?
12:36 * fake doesn't like nvi
12:37 < daja77> no, thought you said that ...
12:38 < fake> no, it was about the minimal target
12:38 < fake> there's nvi installed, but the vi-symlink points to vim nontheless
12:38 < [n00b]Wibra> indeedy
12:38 < fake> i think that's fixed by now
12:38 < [n00b]Wibra> rxr said so
12:38 < fake> so an EDITOR=nvi would 'fix' that.
12:39 < daja77> lol the most beautiful 404 error page i've ever seen
12:39 * fake preferrs vim
12:39 < daja77> http://isoldochka.narod.ru/
12:39 < blindcoder> [n00b]Wibra: pause it? what about scroll lock?
12:39 < [n00b]Wibra> ill try my next reboot :)
12:40 * blindcoder rebooted with 'echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger' today :/
12:40 < fake>  /proc/sysrq-trigger *cries*
12:41 < fake> when are they gonna realize that there are only pid-directories in proc? and one symlink?
12:41 < blindcoder> fake: ?
12:41 < [n00b]Wibra> how how do i get stone to save those keyboard settings for my next reboot?
12:41 < fake> blindcoder: the current linux procfs sucks
12:41 < blindcoder> fake: never.
12:42 < fake> take a look at solaris - very clean.
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12:42 < daja77> [n00b]Wibra: http://www.pfu.co.jp/hhkeyboard/leaflet/lite2_us_layout.gif
12:43 < blindcoder> fake: yes... clean... and completely different... "now, let's see... htf am I getting info about the processors now?"
12:43 < blindcoder> well, I like the current procfs
12:43 < [n00b]Wibra> daja77: but i don't wanna type in american, i want belgian :'(
12:43 < fake> blindcoder: psrinfo ?
12:43 < daja77> thought it helps you to find some keys
12:43 < fake> blindcoder: dmesg ? syslog? /var/adm/messages ?
12:44 < [n00b]Wibra> daja77 well ok, thx. but i really wanna set it 
12:44 < blindcoder> fake: Sep 18 12:01:25 se-sendling sshd[19052]: [ID 363151 daemon.notice] log: ROOT LOGIN as 'root' from redbull
12:44 < blindcoder> that's dmesg
12:44 < [n00b]Wibra> cant there just be an autoexec.bat under linux :(
12:44 < fake> blindcoder: dmesg after a boot...
12:45 < fake> of course.
12:45 < blindcoder> fake: they don't tell me the frequency either
12:45 < fake> what does the processor have to do with the currently running processes (/proc) ?
12:45 < fake> psrstat -v
12:45 < fake> psrinfo -v
12:45 < fake> that's it
12:45 < fake> prstat is like top
12:45 < blindcoder> well, it runs the processes... j/k
12:46 < fake> i always mix them up.
12:46 < blindcoder> I know what you mean
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12:46 < blindcoder> but you can either mess up /dev or /proc
12:46 < fake>  /dev is also not messed up in solaris...
12:46 < fake> and /device is neither.
12:47 < blindcoder> no, but there also isn't a LPP in Solaris
12:47 < fake> btw, i think the hybrid solution of having a backward-compatible /dev and a devfs'd-/device is nice.
12:47 < fake> that's because of the _L_ in LPP.
12:47 < daja77> lol
12:48 * daja77 off now, cu
12:48 < fake> cu daja77!
12:48 * fake phone
12:49 < blindcoder> of course, still, where would you place /proc/progress ?
12:49 < blindcoder> /dev/progress? /dev/kernel/progress? /dev/sw/progress?
12:50 < fake> sysctl ?
12:50 < fake>  /sys
12:51 < fake>  /sys/devices/system/boot/whatever/progress 
12:51 < fake> or something like that.
12:51 < fake> the idea of having user space utilities for every little job is'n ideal, too, i admit.
12:51 < fake> so /sys is a nice solution.
12:52 < fake> btw, i doubt a progress bar should be done via ioctl to the framebuffer, like suse does it with their bootsplash.
12:52 < blindcoder> is /sys in FHS?
12:53 < fake> -doubt +think
12:53 < fake> blindcoder: no, is there a problem?
12:53 < fake> blindcoder: because it's NOT in FHS, it's not a problem.
12:53 < blindcoder> no problem for me
12:53 < fake>  /lib/sys would be erratic
12:54 < blindcoder> with all the talk about it, it occured more like a "Whitelist" than a "Blacklist" to me
12:54 < blindcoder> I must admit that I never bothered with it
12:56 < fake> it's a standard definition. like, user executable programs shipped with the operating system installation go into /usr/bin, the ones installed seperaterly into /usr/local/bin, and  /opt, if they are standalone... stuff like taht
12:56 < fake> *standalone applications (third party)
12:57 < blindcoder> so what was the big deal with djbdns and /service? (apart from redist-problems)
13:00 < fake> no idea ?
13:00 * fake off, have to phone
13:08 < owl> remoin
13:11 < blindcoder> wb
13:11 < owl> thx
13:13 < owl> "leere augen in gesichtern farbloser menschen ihre haut von grauer luft geschwefelt mumifizierte masken leblos farblos... " goethes erben - farblos... 
13:18 * owl shares a bottle with vodka with #rocklinux - someone wants it?
13:20 * jsaw appears, grabs the bottle and disappears again
13:20 < owl> eh, give it back. want to kill some cells of my brain... 
13:20 * blindcoder !!!!
13:21 < jsaw> owl: you don't kill them, only disabling
13:21 < owl> what's wrong? everybody is "happy" today?
13:21 < owl> jsaw: nah. killing... when drinking enough of alk
13:21 < jsaw> nope. not as much as ppl generally think
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13:22 < owl> shit. then i need something mor strong
13:22 < martin> hello
13:22 < jsaw> oh, the disabled nerve cells stay disabled until u stop drinking
13:23 < jsaw> I takes a while to reconnect 'em, /me guesses a few weeks
13:23 < owl> hm. shit. then i should drink daily.
13:23 < jsaw> yep. but wine. Then a least your body stays healthy...
13:24 < owl> healty body -> !(good body)
13:24 < jsaw> ?
13:24 < jsaw> brb (killing my lungs...)
13:25 < owl> hm. a dead body would something i want...
13:41 < jsaw> inverse logic
13:42 < owl> why?
13:42 < owl> logic - n/a
13:43 < owl> <- dumb as bread | you forgot that fact, jsaw ?
13:44 < jsaw> thinking that u are stupid, that's dumb, indeed.
13:45 < owl> nah. i'm dumb. that's a fact. 
13:45 < jsaw> (you want to be alive, but u think, death is a more relaxing state, that's inverse logic)
13:45 < Freak> . o O ( why do you even try it jsaw.. )
13:45 < jsaw> I repeat: thinking that u are stupid, that's dumb, indeed.
13:46 < owl> i don't believe. i know that death is the end --> and you don't feel pain and shit than, anymore
13:46 < owl> oops. i forgot - i don't feel physical pain - but mental - muhahahha
13:47 < jsaw> see, u want to be alive (and not partially mentally dead)
13:48 < owl> i want to be alive? why should i?
13:48 < owl> to work the whole fscking life, to see the crap someone who has political power and so, forces...?
13:48 < jsaw> self pity?
13:49 < owl> nah. reality. you seem just to wear pink glasses, when you don't see it
13:50 < jsaw> nope. Open eyes. But still I try to do the best with the ppl around me. No matter what ppl do wrong, no matter if this world is an evil place.
13:51 < owl> and what for? to die at the end? after a cruel life?
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13:51 < jsaw> You should know, that I believe in god.
13:52 < owl> yeah. but what does god help then?
13:52 < jsaw> that's complicated. 
13:54 < owl> hm. if there would be a god or some other god-like power, there would be no wars, no death, no "ungerechtigkeiten" etc. imho
13:55 < jsaw> If you really want to know: get some books from "C.S. Lewis", short answer:
13:55 < jsaw> if god would not depend on us not doing wars, we would be robots with no free will
13:56 < jsaw> that's the sad thing about freedom.
13:56 < jsaw> the freedom to do good OR bad.
13:57 < owl> hm. aren't we robots/machines? i don't think so... just the surface is different, and there are other components mixed in a person. e.g. someone is shy, the other person isn't... and so... but in general we are all equal. 
13:57 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E8DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
13:57 < owl> hi dennis 
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13:58 < Freak> what a striking thing that there is so much beautiful art made for linux and stuff... and still it's mostly created on non-*n?x and using nonfree, patents-infested software.
13:58 < blindcoder> ah, how I love those discussions...
13:58 < jsaw> owl: we are machines, but with a free will. Otherwise we wouldn't even care, but just live up to the motto "survival of the fittest"
14:00 < owl> a free will - hm... dunno... guess the "free will" is manipulated by how you grew up, the country you're living in, the environment, the media (especially T.V., radio)... then you can choose between some things like "anti-general-human" or "general-konsumgeiler-human"... 
14:01 < owl> and i guess i should now wash the blood from my body... bbl (in about 15 minutes or so, when the wounds stop bleeding)
14:02 < blindcoder> and sometimes I think she should grow up
14:03 < Freak> blindcoder: hahaha SOMEtimes? :)
14:04 < jsaw> ...
14:05 < jsaw> I'm no going on, working on my patent...
14:06 < blindcoder> Freak: well... she thinks too much in a black-and-white pattern
14:07 < dennis> hi owl
14:09 < jsaw> blindcoder: Thinking in b/w is not a problem. The conclusions you draw, however, are.
14:10 < jsaw> gotta go to work, cu l8r
14:14 < owl> re
14:15 < owl> blindcoder: i'm already grown up - more than you're. and if _you_ would have grown up, then you wouldn't always complain about "wuha. i don't find a girlfriend"
14:16 < owl> but then you would care about the politic and shit
14:16 < owl> and wouln't have to aks me dumb questions about it (politic)
14:16 < blindcoder> owl: well, and you wouldn't complain that The World doesn't suit you
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14:17 < owl> blindcoder: why? what should i do instead of this?
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14:17 < blindcoder> a) simply accept it like others do 
14:18 < blindcoder> b) change it (preaching to the choir != chang)ng it
14:19 < blindcoder> c) change yourself
14:19 < owl> a) no! never!
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14:20 < Freak> b) neither is she able nor willing to change her piece of world.
14:20 < owl> b) "one person who changes the world" muahahahaha
14:20 < owl> c) forget it! 
14:20 < blindcoder> didn't you alsways say you want to participate in a political party?
14:20 < Freak> c) no she feels just right the way she is.
14:20 < owl> participating in a political party changes _nothing_
14:21 < Freak> particularly if you're feeling fine the way everything is.
14:21 < blindcoder> So you accept your impotence to change anything?
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14:21 < Freak> maybe you should participate in a conservative party
14:21 < jsaw> re
14:22 < owl> Freak: c) i feel more right in the way i am, than people who are "famous" (like f. feldbusch and ill-co's are)
14:22 < owl> wb jsaw 
14:22 < blindcoder> *sigh* here she goes again
14:23 < owl> Freak: why in a conservative party? because it has more "anhaenger" like e.g. pds? but in e.g. spd/cdu/whatever i also wouldn't able to change anything
14:23 < Freak> exactly my point.
14:23 < blindcoder> anyone else noticed the change from Politics to something else?
14:24 < Freak> I have come to the conclusion that, as I said two times before now, you do not want to change. anything. at all. because you feel comfortable the way it is.
14:24 < owl> blindcoder: heh, it is true. watch tv and you see brainless people who fscked with d. bohlen and became famouse... that's simly sick
14:24 < blindcoder> owl: that's exactly the reason why I _don't_ watch TV
14:25 < jsaw> btw, I think Torvalds so often repeated sentence of "only being an engineer" is plain studip.
14:25 < owl> nope. just because i see no reason in it and/or see no chance to change anything
14:25 < blindcoder> well, they know how to make money. That's the kind of society we live it
14:26 < blindcoder> owl: then stop complaining when you don't even _want_ to change anything
14:26 < owl> blindcoder: b) don't join 
14:26 < owl> #rocklinux anymore
14:26 < owl> goodbye
14:26 < blindcoder> wouldn't that be d) ?
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14:27 < Freak> as usual.
14:27 * blindcoder now taking bets on when she will be back
14:27 < Freak> its always the same.
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14:27 < fake> re
14:27 < Freak> jsaw: thats why it is no use at all to talk to her.
14:27 < blindcoder> re fake
14:27 < Freak> considering social topics
14:27 < jsaw> Freak: okay.
14:28 < blindcoder> fake: you just missed an entertaing session of owl-bashing
14:28 < fake> Freak: gerade noch rumgerissen...
14:28 < fake> blindcoder: i could imagine that before i left
14:28 < Freak> fake: du hast wie immer das wichtigste verpasst.
14:28 * Freak should put it into his cunt.txt ;)
14:28 < Freak> uhm I mean owl-digest
14:28 * fake will read the backlog
14:28 < fake> has owl left?
14:28 < Freak> as usual.
14:29 < Freak> <-- owl (~owl@aszlig.net) has left #rocklinux ("cu on #anarchy (or never again)")
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14:29 < blindcoder> fake: she will "never ever return"
14:29 < jsaw> hehe.
14:29 < fake> hi clifford!
14:29 < Freak> blindcoder :)
14:29 < jsaw> hi clifford 
14:29 < clifford> hi.
14:29 < Freak> she would never ever remove me from ignore..
14:29 < blindcoder> hi clifford!
14:29 < Freak> oh how much I wish she would be consequent :)
14:29 < blindcoder> Freak: consider that a good thing :)
14:29 < fake> Freak: shut up
14:30 < Freak> fake: go visit owl
14:30 < Freak> or at least admit it and finally change your nick to owl|male
14:31 < fake> Freak: nice comparsion, indeed.
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14:36 < jsaw> I'm all for setting up a rocklinux cs server!
14:39 * fake -> train
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14:39 < jsaw> cu
14:53 < Freak> http://happytreefriends.com/
15:07 < daja77> re
15:08 < jsaw> hi daja77
15:08 < daja77> hi jsaw 
15:09 * daja77 downloading kde-3.1.4 ...
15:13 * jsaw waits for results of compiling gnome-2.4
15:13 < daja77> :)
15:14 < jsaw> 1004 builds total, 322 completed fine, 2 with errors.
15:14 < daja77> oh which
15:14 < jsaw>  [5] sirkull/dansguardian                [5] tibit/xdu
15:15 < jsaw> dansguardian: g++: /usr/lib/libz.a: No such file or directory
15:15 < daja77> ah nothing important, fine
15:15 < jsaw> xdu: not downloaded... 
15:16 < daja77> :)
15:16 < jsaw> (xfree 4.3.99.12 also passed)
15:17 * daja77 doin a new build when download is finished
15:17 < jsaw> a collegue asked me which distro he should install on his old 133MHz Pentium thing, guess, what I told him...
15:17 < daja77> how much ram?
15:18 < jsaw> 64Mb
15:18 < daja77> forget it
15:18 < jsaw> ? what ?
15:19 < daja77> 2nd_stage_small is borken, and with the normal stage you will have lots oftrouble btdt
15:19 < jsaw> I installed rock on my laptop, 266MHz PII/64Mb, w/o any problems.
15:20 < daja77> oh really, nice to hear that
15:21 < jsaw> I have to do some administrative stuff at university, cu l8r
15:21 < daja77> thing on the computer i tried it on was, that the mine process which installed ncurses was killed due lack of memory, which caused lots of trouble
15:21 < daja77> k. cu jsaw 
15:22 < jsaw> activate swap?
15:22 * jsaw off now
15:24 < daja77> was not possible, but hey that painful story is one to forget about ...
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16:01 < jsaw> re
16:01 < jsaw> daja77: ic
16:03 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'm testing the patch that solves that -> dansguardian: g++: /usr/lib/libz.a
16:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: hurray
16:04 < mnemoc> until stage 1 it's ok, but i need to see it working inside the chroot :)
16:04 < jsaw> :)
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16:04 < mnemoc> i wonder if moving only .a or there are .la files around
16:05 < jsaw> lib/libmisc.la  lib/libshadow.la
16:08 < mnemoc> which is the equivalent to bash's {foo,var} for sed?
16:09 < mnemoc> (foo|var) doesn't work
16:09 < jsaw> ((foo)|(var))
16:09 < jsaw> ?
16:09 < mnemoc> nope :(
16:10 < jsaw> echo "foo-bar" | sed 's,\(\(foo\)\|\(bar\)\),,g'
16:10 < jsaw> -
16:11 < mnemoc> forgot to escape it :)
16:13 < jsaw> \(foo\|bar\) works also...
16:17 < mnemoc> thanks, i would pass the whole day in this without realizing that it needs to me escaped :)
16:18 < jsaw> It happens once in a while to me too... (spending a whole day...)
16:19 < daja77> this always this way when using scripting languages 
16:20 < daja77> python is bad for that too
16:21 * mnemoc hates python
16:21 < daja77> :)
16:24 < mnemoc> c# is nice ;)
16:25 < daja77> *cough*
16:27 * jsaw off now: shopping, diapers, dinner, goodnight song 
16:27 < jsaw> cu
16:27 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
16:29 < mnemoc> daja77: http://www.windevnet.com/wdn/webextra/2003/0313/ <-- good benchmark
16:29 < daja77> rofl they mention D
16:30 < mnemoc> yes ;)
16:31 < mnemoc> if you don't want to register i can send you the pdf
16:31 < daja77> i don't want to register
16:32 < daja77> and btw windows developer is not a magazine i would trust in this matter
16:33 < mnemoc> :-)
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16:39 < esden> hi all
16:39 < daja77> hey esden
16:39 < daja77> .oO cool i waited for him ...
16:40 < mnemoc> wb esden
16:41 < daja77> esden: I discussed short with rxr, we would like to remove the povray31 package
16:45 < blindcoder> esden: *hug*
16:49 < esden> *hug* blindcoder 
16:49 < esden> hi daja77, mnemoc 
16:49 < esden> daja77: why this?
16:49 * daja77 hugs esden 
16:49 * -> esden hugs daja77 too ;)
16:49 < daja77> cos we have povray35 already, it is outdated
16:49 * mnemoc hugs (drunk style) esden
16:50 < daja77> atm we have both packages which is quite ugly
16:51 < mnemoc> the question is: do we _need_ that backward compatibility?
16:51 < daja77> no
16:52 < daja77> their hp says that there might be scenes fro pov31 which couldn't be rendered with 35, but keeping it just for that is not good imo
16:54 < esden> daja77: you guys hav no idea you know?
16:54 < esden> povray31 is syntax incompatible to povray35
16:54 < daja77> then enlighten us
16:54 < esden> and so it is needed for older projects
16:55 < daja77> the question is if we have to ship it for that purpose
16:55 < esden> and when you read the povray site you would see that they say one should still keep the old 31 there
16:55 < esden> daja77: I need it ... so yes we need to ship it ;)
16:55 < daja77> *grml*
16:56 < mnemoc> we may add (DEPRECATED) and (COMPATIBILITY) to [I] of that kind of packages.... and may be 'O' them
16:58 < esden> daja77: you can make the packet O
16:58 < esden> that is ok
16:59 < daja77> i will ask him
16:59 < mnemoc> ask povray31?
16:59 < daja77> rofl
17:00 < mnemoc> Dear povray31, do you accept to be marked as an 'O' package?
17:00 < mnemoc> thanks povray31... i really appreciate your generosity
17:00 < daja77> mnemoc: do i really have to explain whom i will talk to?
17:01 < esden> wuahahahaha ... gentoo sux soooo badly!
17:01 < mnemoc> :)
17:01 < esden> muahahaha
17:01 < daja77> ahem we know ...
17:02 < mnemoc> url?
17:02 < esden> but now they replaced the gnu ld with a script that links explicitly against /usr/lib/libc.a ... that means that dietlibc is non functional on that "distribution"
17:02 < daja77> good
17:02 < mnemoc> daja77: add that to the 'why * sucks, and ROCK rocks'
17:02 < esden> daja77: o_O
17:03 < esden> hehe 
17:03 < esden> mnemoc: good idea
17:03 < daja77> esden: at least this will stop fefe from using gentoo
17:05 < mnemoc> daja77: you shall write a 'why ROCK is better than $foo?' or like 
17:05 < daja77> you can put it on my todo ;-)
17:06 < mnemoc> wikis are good for that :(
17:07 * daja77 put on his todo to do an todo wiki for himself
17:10 < mnemoc> lol
17:15 < Freak> obsession!! http://art.gnome.org/screenshots/19.php ^_^
17:17 < daja77> wow
17:20 < Freak> exactly my thought ;)
17:32 < esden> I will setup a wiki for rocklinux as soon as I have reinstalled my main server ...
17:32 < esden> so you guys have something to play with ;)
17:32 < daja77> hehe cheaper than typo3
17:32 * daja77 hides
17:34 < Freak> hehehe
17:35 < daja77> at least the wiki needs no data^Wmysql
17:38 < daja77> mnemoc: thx for the mail
17:38 < mnemoc> will you ever read it? ;)
17:38 < daja77> hehe perhaps :)
17:39 < Freak> what is a buffer underrun?
17:39 < daja77> empty buffer which is read
17:40 < Freak> ah, like data is coming too slowly?
17:40 < daja77> yepp
17:40 < Freak> ah right they always said that when cdrs came up
17:40 < Freak> :)
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19:01 < rxr> re
19:03 < esden> finally ... read all rock mails >_<
19:04 < esden> hi rxr 
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19:08 < owl_> rehi
19:08 < owl_> argh. shit. i joined the wrong channel
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19:20 < fake> re
19:21 < rxr> hi esden 
19:21 < fake> esden: greetz from drachi
19:23 < nookie> Heya rxr 
19:23 < nookie> rxr: What do you mean with "more RFC conform"?
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19:39 < esden> thanks fake ... greets back!
19:39 < esden> fake: are you back to germany?
19:40 < rxr> nookie: am - where did I say / write more RFC comform ? Ah the patches on the lsit ?
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19:42 < nookie> rxr: Yes
19:42 < rxr> I expained it in the mail - at least a bit
19:43 < mnemoc> if you got a minute you should add that RFC somewhere (not list)
19:45 < rxr> I just searched my sent-mail folder - but have not yet located the mail ...
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19:53 < esden> ok ... cu guys
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20:06 * netrunne1 just bought a dvd writer
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20:17 < netrunner> would rock work on a pa-risc ? or do I need to hide now for not catching the task? :)
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20:49 < rxr> netrunner: yes - you now go the task
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21:23 < netrunner> rxr: I feared it :)
21:30 < rolla> re
21:36 < jsaw> re
21:36 < jsaw> rxr: is it intended, that gtk+ (prefix=/opt/gnome24) installs libraries in /usr/lib?
21:44 < rxr> no - it is not intended by me ...
21:45 < jsaw> oh, I mean linked...
21:45 < rxr> als - not intended by me ...
21:45 < jsaw> I guess it's a workaround for some other packages...
21:47 < rxr> hm - but it shouldn't
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21:48 < holyolli> moin
21:48 < jsaw> me removes the linking code from gtk+ now...
21:49 < rxr> yes - please
21:49 < rxr> such strange code should always carry a comment why it is needed ...
21:49 < jsaw> yep
21:51 < holyolli> rxr: do you have any hints how i could update my rock-1.5 on alpha? i built the 1.7 partially
21:51 < holyolli> but i don't know what happens,if i just update erverything with mine
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21:55 < rxr> holyolli: installing with mine should work - but I would test if the binary really works
21:55 < rxr> holyolli: the regression testers shows many errors in the early build stages
21:55 < rxr> have you fixed those - or don't they happen during a normal build?
21:56 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/arch-alpha/2003-08-23/
21:57 < holyolli> rxr: i fixed some of them, but not very clean - i first wanted to create a stable build machine.. ;-)
21:57 < holyolli> rxr: but the compile goes through all stages (with - of course - a lot of errors in the x-apps)
21:58 < rxr> oh - why the errors in the x-apps?
21:59 < holyolli> rxr: 'cause for example libjpeg breaks and these will make all the other dependant packages also break..
21:59 < holyolli> rxr: wanna have the errlist? it's long... ;)
22:01 < rxr> ah - no
22:01 < rxr> have you fixed the kernel:
22:01 < rxr> lpha-unknown-linux-gnu-nm -B vmlinux | grep -v '\(compiled\)\|\(\.o$\)\|\( [aUw] \)\|\(\.\.ng$\)\|\(LASH[RL]DI\)' | sort > System.map
22:01 < rxr> `/usr/src/rock-trunk/build/regtest-alpha-2.0.0-rc1-alpha-cross-generic/root/boot/vmlinux_2.4.21-rock.gz' -> `/usr/src/rock-trunk/src.linux24.1061650176.23929.2936063905/linux-2.4.21/root/boot/vmlinux.gz'
22:01 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/src/rock-trunk/src.linux24.1061650176.23929.2936063905/linux-2.4.21/root/boot/vmlinux.gz': No such file or directory
22:01 < rxr> ??
22:02 < holyolli> jepp..it's a '$' missing in the line where the file is copied...
22:02 < holyolli> mompl
22:02 < rxr> holyolli: ok 
22:02 < holyolli> rxr: need a patch or do you just fix it by hand?
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22:04 < rxr> fixed
22:04 < rxr> thanks
22:04 < holyolli> rxr: thx...if you want to i can also start a regression-build
22:04 < holyolli> rxr: i also have some other things, like in gettext, but i'll write a mail with that problem
22:05 < rxr> holyolli: the regression tester is run automatically here - fixing build errors would be very nice
22:05 < rxr> ok
22:05 < holyolli> rxr: ok...no prob, because i'm also compiling quiet often here with an cs-20
22:05 < [n00b]Wibra> n00b = drunk
22:06 < holyolli> rxr: btw. the actual packages are all the time on my server - they're linked via the alpha-port page
22:08 < rxr> ah nice
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22:09 < holyolli> rxr: i'm working on that stuff, but due to my school i don't have that much freetime.. :( - so it's not that fast...
22:10 < holyolli> hm. what happens, if i do a 
22:10 < holyolli> mine -i glibc?
22:10 < holyolli> is the old one updated or are there installed parallel?
22:12 < rxr> the old one is a 2.2 ? then you would mix them ...
22:12 < holyolli> rxr: hm. it is...
22:13 < rxr> I would not mix the two systems that much - I would completely swtich to the new build output
22:14 < holyolli> how? on a running system...? i can't just insert an install-cd...
22:14 < holyolli> so i have to install all new packages, reboot, delete the old ones and pray...? ;-)
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22:26 < rxr> don't you have you build on a speperate partition - could do make you new root?
22:27 < rxr> cool - now I'm in the XFree CHANGELOG the 2nd time ;-) *freu*
22:28 < holyolli> rxr: unfortunately not - it's my home server with all the data and nat and all such stuff...that's why i'm not very 'experimentierfreudig'.. ;-)
22:33 < jsaw> rxr: how many times are u in kernel changelog?
22:33 < rxr> I think 0
22:34 < rxr> jsaw: btw /etc/cron.d/80-gconf the DTD downlaod is not yet removed?
22:34 < jsaw> hehe, look into /usr/src/linux/driver/sound/i810_audio.c, line 81
22:35 < rxr> ;-)
22:35 < jsaw> rxr: nope, currently I changed rebuilddb -> updatedb (so it will not download it again). Second, I'll prepare a gnome24/dtds package, once it compiles.
22:37 < jsaw> (eh, you mean 81-scrollkeeper)
22:37 < rxr> ah - yes, sure
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22:43 < holyolli> n8
22:43 < jsaw> cu holyolli 
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22:52 < daja77> re
23:06 < netrunner> hi daja77, old cowskin :)
23:07 < daja77> O_o
23:08 < netrunner> daja77: free translated from 'oide kuhhaut' :)
23:08 < daja77> hmm if rxr kills me if i tell him about that cksum error in kdeartwork ...
23:08 * netrunner searching for the best way to get his divx onto a dvd-player conform dvd-r
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23:08 < daja77> ;-)
23:13 < netrunner> argl, avidemux refuses a plain rockbuild :/
23:23 < rxr> working on some other project like SANE and XFree I notice how bad cvs is ...
23:23 < daja77> i know what you mean
23:25 < netrunner> at least it has a frozen interface *duck*
23:26 < daja77> netrunner: well i will start playing with my hp soon, porting rock to it would be nice :)
23:26 < rxr> after a cvs status - you demand sth like svn status very much
23:27 < daja77> well cvs at work is converted already ^^
23:28 < daja77> rxr: you got a cksum error too, with kdeartwork package?
23:32 < netrunner> argl ... what to say about a package with stable 0.9 and unstable 2.0.14 :/
23:33 < daja77> O_o
23:34 < netrunner> the stable doesn't even compile (here)
23:35 < daja77> which package?
23:35 < netrunner> avidemux
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23:37 < daja77> rotfl http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/gs-18.09.03-000/
23:38 < netrunner> ah, that's what the bingo ev is for :)
23:39 < netrunner> wow, the unstable buils nice :)
23:47 < netrunner> hm ... can a dvd writer also write cdr?
23:47 < daja77> hope so
23:51 < netrunner> hm ... trying
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