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--- Log opened Sun Sep 21 00:00:15 2003
00:00 < daja77> well i didn't cared much about theming
00:00 < tcr> daja77, are transparent terminals actually usable?
00:00 < Freak> yea
00:01 < Freak> if you adjust them corresponding to your background image, yes
00:01 < daja77> yepp for irc they are wonderful
00:01 < Freak> imho
00:01 < Freak> I actually like real transparency for terminals very much too
00:02 < daja77> they build run in a transperant term before i killed it :)
00:02 < Freak> does kde actually emulate real transparency now?
00:02 < Freak> =)
00:02 < daja77> no i use gnome-terminal for transperant ones
00:02 < Freak> does gnome-terminal emulate real transparency?
00:02 < rxr> daja77: the konsole can do this, too
00:02 < rxr> Freak: nope
00:03 < Freak> hum
00:03 < daja77> rxr: not really
00:03 < rxr> Freak: real transparency _is not possiblee with current X implemnations_
00:03 < tcr> I can't imagine it's really usable
00:03 < Freak> I _really_ like *real* transparency.
00:03 < rxr> this need major restructuring inside X and might go into XFree-5.0 - _maybe_ !!!
00:03 < tcr> with a complexer background picture
00:04 < Freak> rxr: hum I thought they might well have figured a way ;) but actually I remember having a conversation on why real transparency on current X was no way possible..
00:04 < Freak> tcr: if you set the tint high enough, it should be fine.
00:04 < daja77> well i am quite happy with tha transperancy
00:04 < daja77> that
00:04 < Freak> I actually use transparent terminals only.
00:05 < tcr> what's tint?
00:05 < Freak> besides when I have to closely look at a manpage, then I use xterm (w/o any kinda transparency) because aterm doesnt do highlighting
00:05 < Freak> tcr: einfärben
00:05 < Freak> tcr: uhm yano..
00:05 < tcr> hm?
00:05 < Freak> so eingefärbt halt
00:06 < Freak> der alphawert der farbe die du als terminalhintergrund hast
00:06 < Freak> alpha-value of the color you have as backgroundcolor.
00:06 < Freak> (jeebus :)
00:06 < tcr> do other people see the umlauts freak apparantly wrote?
00:06 < daja77> https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/the-term-next-door.jpg
00:06 < rxr> yes /me
00:06 < Freak> duh use your imagination :)
00:07 < daja77> yepp i didi
00:07 < daja77> -i
00:07 < tcr> Freak, not sure if it's a local problem or one on your box
00:07 < tcr> hmm
00:07 < Freak> I've been told windows xp would do _real_ transparency too
00:07 < tcr> ???
00:07 < rxr> daja77: kconsole and gnome-terminal support the same level of "pseudo-transparency" - just shading the content of the root windowd manually ...
00:07 < Freak> I have never seen that tho
00:07 < tcr> if I type them I can view 'em
00:07 < daja77> Freak: rofl who needs that on windows
00:07 < Freak> tcr: hum should I repeat it?
00:08 < tcr> repeat? what?
00:08 < Freak> daja77: uh, who needs that on *n?x?
00:08 < Freak> tcr: whatever you did not understand
00:08 < daja77> rxr: adjusting the settings of konsole produced ugly results, that's why i use konsole without transperancy
00:08 < tcr> Freak, I understood you
00:08 < Freak> tcr: I'm not sure if I understand what you want from me, if at all, now :)
00:09 < tcr> buddin
00:09 < tcr> nuddin
00:09 < Freak> mnkay :)
00:10 < Freak> so you need to set the tint level high enough to make sure there is enough contrast so you can read everything.
00:10 < rxr> daja77: hm?
00:10 < daja77> i wanted it to be transperant without tintin
00:11 < Freak> what's 70% of ff?
00:11 < daja77> cool that konsole is now long enough to show the whole mplayer output when playing mp3
00:11 < Freak> I'm not sure if I have a calculator that would be able to tell me that :)
00:13 < tcr> Freak, 2^8 * 70 / 100
00:13 < daja77> Freak: kde has a calculator ...
00:13 < tcr> (2^8-1) * 70 / 100
00:13 < Freak> yes, was just looking for something installed here..
00:13 < Freak> starting kcalc
00:14 < Freak> would I have to do 0,7*256 or 255?
00:14 < Freak> for the proper result?
00:14 < Freak> 256, huh?
00:14 < tcr> 255 if my maths aren't flawed
00:15 < Freak> but isnt ff=255+00=256?
00:15 < Freak> in dec you dont count 0
00:15 < tcr> 255+00 = 256 ???
00:15 < Freak> hum but well..
00:15 < Freak> convinced, 256
00:15 < rxr> the next update:
00:15 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
00:15 < Freak> I'm not a mathmatician anyways.
00:16 < Freak> B2
00:16 < tcr> Freak, 0 + 255 = 256?
00:16 < Freak> ok so I prefer #000000B2
00:16 < tcr> that'd be really new to me
00:16 < rxr> it is 0.7*255
00:16 < daja77> rxr: is there any chance to see only the diffs?
00:16 < Freak> yes, 00 would be 0 anyways
00:16 < Freak> uhm
00:16 < Freak> #0
00:17 < rxr> the last commit is a cd-writing section ..
00:17 < daja77> 15.5?
00:18 < rxr> the diff since 0.0.7 is:
00:18 < rxr> svn diff https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook/tags/0.0.7 https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook/trunk
00:18 < daja77> :)
00:18 < rxr> nope chapter 11
00:18 < rxr> because I had a dau user request how to burn a ROCK ISO ...
00:19 < daja77> .oO sounds like in #gentoo
00:21 < daja77> *sigh* do you mind if i extend your writings in a free minute
00:23 < daja77> sorry but the short introduction is short, but not dau compatible
00:24 < tcr> Ok, guys.. I'm off
00:24 < tcr> gn8 all
00:24 < daja77> n8 tcr
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00:27 < neo_> hi rxr
00:33 < daja77> damn i really mis mpg123 in rock
00:33 < daja77> miss
00:35 < Freak> why?
00:35 < Freak> use mpg321
00:35 < Freak> (no, seriously)
00:35 < daja77> i don't have it either
00:36 < daja77> and mplayer fails on some files
00:36 < Freak> then port it
00:36 < daja77> you mean packaging, yes guess that's what i do tomorrow
00:38 < daja77> why use that suckers at sf flash now, that sucks
00:38 < rxr> daja77: mpg123 was included in dRock-1.4.x and I guess also ROCK-1.???
00:39 < rxr> but it is non-free so I dropped it ...
00:39 < daja77> mpg321 is not in rock, yes that thing with license is ok
00:39 < daja77> for that i would do a package
00:40 < rxr> daja77: hm - I copy the mpg321 files from drock
00:41 < daja77> hehe i found a local install of mpg123, seems that this file is really broken
00:41 < daja77> damn
00:41 < daja77> thx riaa for that
00:42 < neo_> hi rxr.
00:42 < neo_> help
00:42 < neo_> ups
00:43 < daja77> rxr: ok :)
00:48 < daja77> <- should consider to move from coding to testing, i have a tendency to break things
00:52 < daja77> wow rxr is fast
01:01 < __mnemoc> how safe is to have a dynamic init?
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01:04 < daja77> ok n8 you all
01:04 < Freak> n8
01:05 < __mnemoc> n8 daja77
01:05 < Freak> duh its 1am
01:05 < daja77> Freak: heh yes
01:05 < Freak> didnt even recognize that :)
01:05 < daja77> :)
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08:11 < rxr> re
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09:01 < Freak> mosche!
09:01 < Freak> echan :)
09:01 < Freak> greetings tho :)
09:09 < rxr> moin Freak
09:09 < Freak> still up?
09:10 < Freak> or already?
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09:18 < rxr> no - already ...
09:20 < daja77> moin
09:24 < Freak> rxr :)
09:24 < Freak> mornin daja77
09:24 < Freak> me too.. I only slept like.. four hours
09:28 < daja77> my sleep was shorter than usual too, must be the weather or sth
09:29 < Freak> duh. my mol-sound-output is totally fscked.
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09:42 < daja77> wow looks good
09:42 < Freak> good morning nookie, how's .at
09:42 < daja77> 978 builds total, 415 completed fine, 5 with errors.
09:42 < daja77> and no important package failed
09:43 < nookie> moin Freak
09:44 < nookie> Sunny. (:
09:44 < daja77> moin nookie
09:44 < Freak> heh :)
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09:50 < nookie> Hi daja77. (:
09:55 * nookie installing ROCK on a celeron 300 machine. (:
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10:51 < holyolli> moin
10:52 < Freak> rxr: hum.. when I try to start x it exits error.. doesnt find /opt/gnome2/bin/gnome-session
10:53 < Freak> setting kde to default again works
10:54 < Freak> uh makes it work, rather
10:57 < Freak> btw kde actually does have fake real transparency when it comes to menus
10:58 < Freak> I mean I saw that before I just didn't recognize that this is actually what I meant
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13:08 < tcr> moin all
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15:42 < rxr> re
15:43 < __mnemoc> mmm... 3-lvm is failing here :(
15:43 < __mnemoc> hi rxr
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16:55 < nookie> christ|an seems to have connection problems.
16:56 < christ|an> noooooooo :)
16:56 < christ|an> i have edited my fstab file :)
16:56 < __mnemoc> is that bad?
16:56 < nookie> Ah
16:57 < nookie> Hola Alejandro :)
16:57 < __mnemoc> Hola, como estas nookie?
17:00 < nookie> muy bien :)
17:00 < nookie> gracias, y usted?
17:04 < __mnemoc> que bueno :), bien tambien
17:13 < nookie> Hehe :)
17:14 < nookie> Does anyone have the adress of the website for martin's rock wallpapers?
17:14 < __mnemoc> https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~martin/rock/ ?
17:16 < nookie> thank you
17:16 < __mnemoc> no es nada, estoy para servirlo ;)
17:18 < nookie> "he is not nothing, I am for serving it" <- ? :)
17:18 < nookie> Bablefish. ;)
17:19 < __mnemoc> o_O
17:20 < __mnemoc> that's why NLP is so hard :(
17:20 < daja77> 978 builds total, 553 completed fine, 10 with errors.
17:20 < __mnemoc> ?
17:20 < __mnemoc> url or pàste?
17:20 < daja77> hm?
17:20 < daja77> i just pasted current status
17:22 < __mnemoc> show the ${your_favorite_insult:+verisign} details!!
17:22 < daja77> ahem no
17:23 < __mnemoc> :(
17:23 < daja77> hm?
17:24 < __mnemoc> can i know what is failing?
17:24 < daja77> sure
17:24 < daja77> [5] base/sendmail [5] rene/bsd-games
17:24 < daja77> [5] tibit/xdu [5] tsa/metamail
17:24 < daja77> [5] rene/auctex [5] base/isdn4k-utils
17:24 < daja77> [5] gnome2/libvte [5] misc/directfb
17:24 < daja77> [5] gnome2/libgnomedb08 [5] gnome2/mergeant011
17:25 < daja77> only package I'd miss is isdn4k-utils
17:25 < daja77> :)
17:25 < __mnemoc> :)
17:25 < nookie> :)
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17:26 < mnemoc> if everything is building i don't need 'protection' anymore ;)
17:26 < daja77> protection?
17:27 < daja77> you mean __ protects you from sth?
17:27 < mnemoc> YES!! :)
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17:27 < daja77> we would still get you :)
17:27 < mnemoc> :(
17:28 < daja77> we are merciless, muhahahaha
17:29 < mnemoc> krisna, krisna, hare, hare,....
17:29 < mnemoc> the mantra will save me
17:30 < daja77> we follow you into your next life ...
17:30 * mnemoc fears daja
17:32 < daja77> hehe, right to do so :)
17:35 < daja77> O_o /me wondering why he built rc1 router
17:37 < mnemoc> lol
17:38 < daja77> ah remembering, did no complete build just checking if error reports from newbie were right
17:38 < daja77> but they weren't :)
17:39 < mnemoc> yes, sure.
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17:50 < daja77> hehe reching kde build ...
17:51 < daja77> reaching
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18:03 < fake> hi
18:04 < daja77> hi fake
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18:42 < cytrinox`-> hi fake
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18:48 < tcr> CSU got 62%
18:51 < Freak> yea because all those retards went to wiesn instead of voting! >;)
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19:12 < daja77> well what did you expect
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19:25 < daja77> rofl no wonder they won, the votes are counted by microsoft .net
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19:45 < Freak> daja77: hahahahahahahahaha :))))
19:47 < mnemoc> what is CSU? what were you voting for?
19:48 < rxr> re
19:49 < rxr> mnemoc: CSU is a "not so good" political party here in germany
19:51 < mnemoc> did they 'win' or 'win again'?
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19:57 < rxr> they won - again as usually - in one state of germany: Bavaria ...
19:57 < rxr> they can be compared to "Republican" parties in othe countries - and I would never never never vote for them ...
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20:03 < rxr> oh my
20:03 < rxr> www.racer.nl
20:03 < rxr> (now GPL) needs a commercial sound lib www.fmod.org :-(
20:11 < rxr> ah - maybe it is possible to disable it's use and only use SDL for it ...
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20:36 < rxr> ah - nearly got it to link
20:36 < rxr> the Gentoo folks only have a racer binary package ;-) x86 only of course
20:37 < rxr> and ship the commercial libfmod - hehe - I do a libfmod-less build on PowrPC ,)
20:38 < jvc> rxr: if you package it, i will try it on sparc
20:39 < rxr> jvc: are you jan?
20:39 < jvc> rxr: yes thats me
20:39 < rxr> cool! Hi!
20:39 < jvc> hi
20:39 < rxr> jvc: what sparc do you have? I think a faster then my U5@270Mhz ... ?
20:40 < jvc> rxr: I use my ultra60@450 at work
20:40 < jvc> rxr: 512 Mb
20:42 < rxr> yes, that is a bit faster ...
20:43 < jvc> rxr: gcc3 in stage 5 compiles in 2 hours 5 min
20:45 < tcr> may gnu programms be linked against closed software?
20:45 < tcr> s,again,with,
20:47 < rxr> the GPL does not really permit this
20:47 < rxr> with GPL yes
20:47 * rxr away getting s.th. to eat
20:48 < jvc> that last GPL should be LGPL I think
20:49 < rxr> jvc: erhm yes
20:49 < rxr> ** Warning: QImage:ReadBMP(); unsupported #bits (6144) or compression (0)
20:49 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
20:49 < rxr> ^- Does not seem to be very endianness save ...
20:49 < rxr> but now I'm really away ...
20:50 < jvc> rxr: a pity
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21:08 < tcr> rxr: Yes, many graphic programms aren't... alas...
21:08 < tcr> rxr: that's because graphic files are almost always binary, so they really depend on endianess
21:15 < tcr> One of the many reasons why binary formats suck :)
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21:22 < tcr> Bleh, the setup.sh script of kylix is broken
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21:43 < A-Tui> hola
21:44 < nookie> Good Night.
21:45 < A-Tui> good night nookie
21:45 < nookie> Sleep well A-Tui
21:46 < A-Tui> i'm not going to sleep :)
21:46 < A-Tui> i have arrived now
21:48 < Freak> haha.. I just read it.. turnout was 59% in bavaria :)
21:48 < Freak> this is so great..
22:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E26E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:03 < jsaw> re
22:03 < A-Tui> i'm tryingls
22:03 < A-Tui> ops
22:03 < A-Tui> sorry
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22:13 < rxr> re
22:18 < jsaw> hi rxr
22:20 < rxr> hi jsaw
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22:23 < tcr> That's actually quite cool... the license of Borland's Kylix open edition requires people to publish their work under the GPL, unless one performs some official procedure foobar
22:28 < jsaw> rxr: do you know, how to convince mozilla to install the smime header files?
22:29 < tcr> moin jsaw btw
22:29 < jsaw> hi tcr
22:31 < tcr> whazzup?
22:31 * jsaw struggles with too many build problems
22:32 < jsaw> samba is flawed: doesn't install libsmbclient.{a,so} etc.
22:32 < jsaw> mozilla is flawed: doesn't install smime headers
22:32 < jsaw> wanna hear more?
22:33 < tcr> How does it come?
22:34 < jsaw> Don't know, I guess the usual problem: the right hand does not know what the left hand does...
22:35 < tcr> ???
22:36 < jsaw> (Changes in Makefile etc., esp. the samba one looks like somebody edited it, and somebody else finally changed it into a non-working state...)
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22:41 < tcr> jsaw, you nailed down a very big problem :)
22:52 < jsaw> anyway: 996 builds total, 955 completed fine, 40 with errors - 11 of 'em are gnome24 errors (out of around 150 new gnome24 packages)
22:55 < kiki> jsaw: how much time you expend on a tipical rebuild?
22:58 < A-Tui> i have a problem, i make a boot target which fails in gawk-1 and the rest of stages, but the target finish and creates the img files
22:59 < tcr> kiki: why do you ask? it depends on the hardware anyway
23:00 < jsaw> kiki: dito, and I fixed each failing gnome24 package immediately (which took me around 10days)
23:01 < jsaw> kik: 3rd, I do not build KDE
23:02 < tcr> A-Tui, I don't know if the current code code actually does this, but it should set ROCKCFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR (or however the var is called) by itself
23:02 < tcr> A-Tui, so I agree with you that this is really a bug
23:02 < A-Tui> yes i think so
23:02 < A-Tui> tcr: ok, i will set this flag
23:03 < jsaw> btw, where should python packages be installed? gnome/gtk python stuff is currently in /opt/gnome24/lib/python..., is this okay?
23:03 < jsaw> or should everything go into /usr/lib/python...?
23:05 < A-Tui> another question who is the person who accepted the i18n patches?
23:06 < tcr> A-Tui, bring up both points on the ml. We need a new i18n maintainer
23:06 < tcr> +anyway
23:06 < rxr> what kind of "i18n maintainer" ?
23:07 < tcr> well, that was mike's position at least
23:07 < A-Tui> i send more Spanish docs
23:07 < rxr> please do not refer to translated documentation as i18n -
23:08 < tcr> I didn't introduced that term howsoever
23:08 < tcr> introduce
23:08 < A-Tui> but nobody reply the patch
23:08 < A-Tui> s/reply/replied
23:09 < rxr> I could simply apply the patch - but those docs are getting out of date - this is why it does not make that much sense ...
23:09 < A-Tui> rxr: out of date?
23:09 < rxr> does anybody know what the "qarjd.exe" virus is?
23:10 < rxr> A-Tui: I'm writing a complete handbook - since keeping both in sync would be waste of time - the current docs will be replaced with text files generated out of the most important parts of the book ...
23:11 < A-Tui> rxr: mmm i think i read that handbook
23:12 < A-Tui> then i will start to translate it
23:12 < rxr> A-Tui: yes - this makes more sense
23:12 < A-Tui> this way, my work will be usefull
23:12 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/
23:13 < A-Tui> rxr, i must write the translation in ascci plain text?
23:13 < tcr> rxr: you should set up commit mails (preferably with diffs) and send 'em to him, so that it'll be easier for him to catch up
23:13 < rxr> A-Tui: best would be to use the same LaTeX style code
23:14 < A-Tui> ok, then in latex
23:14 < rxr> the source is here:
23:14 < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-handbook/trunk/
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23:14 < v1r422> hi!
23:14 < tcr> moin
23:15 < v1r422> i have a question
23:15 < v1r422> i downloaded the isos for drock 2.0.0rc1
23:15 < v1r422> but the first cd dont boot
23:15 < v1r422> is there a other way to get the cd starting ?
23:16 < rxr> v1r422: what kind of hardware do you have?
23:16 < tcr> Detailed information about what actually goes wrong, might be helpful
23:16 < v1r422> the image dont start - so it must be an error with isolinux
23:17 < v1r422> other bootcds are working
23:17 < v1r422> maybe the image wasnt created right
23:17 * tcr forgot the time, he's off now
23:17 < rxr> v1r422: what hardware is this? Older Pentium I or II ?
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23:17 < v1r422> athlon
23:17 < v1r422> xp2000
23:18 < rxr> ouih - that should ineed work
23:18 < v1r422> thats clear
23:18 < rxr> strange - and you think your BIOS, etc is all setup fine ?
23:18 < v1r422> as i sad before is must be an error with isolinux
23:19 < v1r422> other cds (older rock included) boot fine ....
23:19 < v1r422> is it possible to boot the image over lilo ?
23:22 < rxr> first the drock 2.0.0-rc1 was tested by me two times before the release
23:22 < rxr> and it works for others, too
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23:22 < rxr> so if a isolinux issue it is some BIOS hardware variant issue - I do not think it is a lilo issue
23:22 < rxr> what older rock - I guess 1.4 / 1.6 / or dRock-? ?
23:23 < v1r422> sorry- i dont remember
23:23 < v1r422> i take look ...
23:23 < v1r422> ok - older drock 2.0 cds
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23:24 < v1r422> beta 6
23:24 < rxr> older ROCK did not use isolinux - I had problems with older Pentium I boxes not willing to recognize the bootable CD ...
23:24 < jsaw> brb
23:24 < rxr> beta6 boots and -rc1 not ?!?!? Strange
23:24 < v1r422> yes
23:25 < v1r422> so i make a 1on1 test now :)
23:25 < daja77> oh the first time kdeadmin fails *sigh*
23:27 < esden> hi all
23:27 < v1r422> hi
23:27 * -> esden only here for some minutes
23:27 * fake wants spam
23:27 < v1r422> rxr, 1:0 for beta 6 !
23:28 < esden> fake: to which addr?
23:28 < esden> and HOW much?
23:28 < rxr> hi esden
23:28 < esden> hi rxr
23:28 < fake> esden: any of mine
23:29 < esden> fake at rocklinux ... ?
23:29 < v1r422> rxr, so what i do now is download and burn the 1st cd again - wish me luck
23:31 * fake REM - It's the end of the world as we know it
23:31 < fake> esden: is that a forward?
23:31 < v1r422> but again, could i try to install the bootcd image in lilo with the settings of isolinux?
23:31 * fake can't remembet
23:33 < esden> fake: humm would be yes
23:33 < esden> and that is not what you want ...
23:34 < esden> I could generate real spam but that would be no fun for me doing it on that _fine_ modem connection ;-)
23:35 < fake> ok, i'll generate my own spam then.
23:35 < esden> kk
23:35 < daja77> fake: swen doesn't seem to like you :)
23:35 < fake> daja77: hu?
23:36 < daja77> the new worm that is spamming soem of my friends
23:38 < v1r422> ok - thx 4 nothing - cu @ all
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23:39 < esden> ok I am now off
23:39 < esden> cu guys
23:39 < daja77> cu esden
23:39 < esden> ahh ofyi I got perl working on dietlibc ... now I work on getting dynamic dietlibc linking usable ;-)
23:40 < esden> patches will be sent as soon as I have a better connection
23:40 < jsaw> re
23:41 * -> esden -> off
23:54 < daja77> rxr: the build looks good apart from some minor problem, when do you think we will release rc2?
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