--- Log opened Thu Sep 25 00:00:27 2003
00:09 < esden> hi all
00:09 < fake> hi esden
00:10 < daja77> huhu esden *hug*
00:10 < Lorini> hi esden
00:11 < rxr> SMP: !
00:11 < esden> hi fake,Lorini
00:11 < esden> hi daja77 *hug*
00:11 < rxr> hi esden 
00:12 < esden> hi rxr 
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00:12 < daja77> ringo78!
00:12 < esden> hmm dietlibc seems to have a bug in building libcompat.so ...
00:12 < ringo78> hi daja77 !
00:12 < daja77> long time no see, how are you?
00:13 < netrunner> hi esden!
00:13 * netrunner cutting his throat 
00:13 < esden> if I start a program linked against libcompat.so I get an error saying that libcompat.so is not position independant ... does anyone of you have an idea what it means?
00:13 < esden> netrunner: ?
00:13 < ringo78> fine thx, trying other op. sys (linux not working atm)
00:13 < esden> hi sbtw ;)
00:13 < esden> hi ringo78 
00:14 < ringo78> hi esden :)
00:14 < netrunner> esden: mine, hurts badly :(
00:14 < esden> ohh
00:14 < esden> I am sorry for you
00:15 < netrunner> esden: but I tried to call you several times ... found a hppa based workstation and I was told you'd know stuff about it?
00:15 < ringo78> what is the current version of stable rock (desktop) ? 
00:16 < netrunner> now I bought a dvi->vga adapter and found that the dvi(-like looking) connector on that ws is wider than the plug I bought :(
00:16 < daja77> ringo78: 2.0.0rc1
00:16 < esden> netrunner: I got a linux kernel booting on a apollo machine ... that was all
00:17 < esden> netrunner: I am in poland at the moment and my cellphone is offline because I have to pay if someone calls me on that number ...
00:17 < ringo78> nice I am going to try this week :)
00:18 * netrunner feeds the wardialer with esdens nr
00:19 < daja77> maybe rc2 comes out soon
00:19 < ringo78> ok I have some spare cdr's
00:19 < netrunner> esden: ah. so I'll first try to get a picture out of it ... with hpux
00:20 < netrunner> aha ... what I thought to be dvi revealed itself as "35 PIN MOLEX "MicroCross" FEMALE"
00:21 < daja77> <- has a hp-ux too
00:22 < esden> I have a hp-ux box from the trash of my university ;-)
00:22 < daja77> hehe me too
00:22 < esden> I still had no time to start a port to it ... and that will be no fun ... that box has only 33MHz
00:23 < daja77> esden: hehe doin a port is the last item on my todo as well
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00:25 < esden> I hope someone else will do that port ;-)
00:25 < esden> I still have alpha on my head ...
00:26 < daja77> well parts of it are added by rxr already
00:26 < esden> but dietlibc is killing all my free time at the moment ... :(
00:26 < esden> yes I know
00:26 < daja77> fefe the murderer ...
00:27 < netrunner> n8
00:27 < daja77> n8 netrunner 
00:27 * netrunner trying to cure his throat :/
00:28 < daja77> hehe drink some whiskey
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00:28 < daja77> wb mnemoc 
00:29 < mnemoc> hi daja77  :)
00:30 < esden> daja77: hehe yes something of that kind ;-)
00:31 < mnemoc> hi esden 
00:32 < esden> wee I managed it to read all rlml mails!!!
00:32 < daja77> n8 you all
00:32 < esden> hi mnemoc 
00:32 < esden> n8 daja77 
00:32 < Lorini> nacht daja
00:34 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
00:34 < fake> lag..
00:39 < fake> fsck
00:39 < esden> ...
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00:40 < esden> 1% inconsistend disc (or how it is called ;) )
00:40 < esden> s/nd/nt/
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00:42 < fake> re Lorini 
00:42 < Lorini> re
00:43 < mnemoc> re lagged_fake
00:43 < mnemoc> :)
00:43 < mnemoc> re Lorini 
00:44 < esden> ok ... I am off
00:44 < esden> good night everyone
00:44 < Lorini> good night
00:45 < fake> n8
00:47 < fake> hm...
00:48 * fake frustrated
00:49 < Lorini> try some chocolate
00:49 < fake> i don't like chocolate
00:49 < mnemoc> weird
00:58 < fake> ich leg mich jetz erstmal ins bett.
00:58 < fake> o_O
00:59 * fake moving to bed
00:59 < fake> brb
00:59 < Lorini> good night
00:59 < fake> no, no, not like that ;)
00:59 < fake> like i could sleep now.
00:59 < Lorini> :)
01:06 < fake> re.
01:07 * fake Subway to Sally - Rosen im Wasser
01:07 < Lorini> re..
01:08 < Lorini> isnt it die rose im wasser?
01:09 < fake> not sure
01:09 < fake> i've got both ;)
01:09 < Lorini> lol
01:10 * Lorini subway to sally - grabrede mit knochenpolka
01:21 * fake 's frustration is direct proportional to the flow of time
01:31 * fake Eisregen - Zeit zu spielen
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02:18 < mnemoc> linuxs or linuxes or just linux? =(
02:19 < mnemoc> linux machines :)
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03:00 < Mike1> Greetings
03:03 < mnemoc> wb Mike1 
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03:04 < Mike1> thanks Don mnemoc
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07:10 < blindcoder> moin
07:11 < Mike1> moin blindy
07:11 < blindcoder> moin mikey :)
07:29 < blindcoder> okay, will do so on the weekend
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09:05 < freed> hi all
09:07 < blindcoder> moin
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09:12 < DeElsasser> moin
09:14 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:14 < DeElsasser> moin moin moin
09:15 < blindcoder> nah :)
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11:04 < daja77> moin
11:06 < rxr> re
11:06 < daja77> moin rxr
11:07 < rxr> moin daja77 
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11:15 < fake> moin
11:15 < daja77> huhu fake 
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11:33 < fake> instant server:
11:33 < fake> wget -O - http://www.bsdboys.net/FreeBSD4.6_dd.gz | gunzip -d -c | dd of=/dev/hda bs=32k
11:33 < fake> ;-)
11:39 < daja77> :)
11:47 < Lorini> good morning!
11:49 < daja77> goooood moooorrrrning Lorini 
11:51 < fake> moin Lorini 
11:51 < blindcoder> moin all :-)
11:52 < Lorini> what a wonderful day
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11:53 < blindcoder> ehm... well... I don't know if it's wonderful, but it's definately a day :)
11:54 < Lorini> *g*
11:55 * blindcoder is nervous...
11:56 < fake> and it's damn cold here
11:56 < fake> the wind is icy..
11:56 < daja77> wimps!
11:56 * daja77 preparing to run
11:58 < blindcoder> fake: where are you?
11:58 < fake> damn. my instant-server doesn't work....
11:58 < blindcoder> I'm in a nice climated Ex-Serverroom :)
11:58 < fake> blindcoder: why do you ask?
11:58 < blindcoder> fake: maybe because it's -o - and not -O -
11:58 < fake> i'm outside
11:59 < blindcoder> fake: hmm... Maybe I should order some warm coffee over to you :)
11:59 < fake> the manpage says -o would be fatal
11:59 < blindcoder> hrm? mom....
11:59 < fake> i have warm coffee besides me :P
11:59 < fake> -o would be the logfile
11:59 < fake> -O is the actual data
12:00 < fake> and i don't want to write wget logs onto my hd block-wise ;)
12:00 < daja77> hehe
12:00 < fake> --output-document
12:00 < blindcoder> hmm... then something's definately screwed up here...
12:01 < blindcoder> hmm... that might explain why op61.torrent doesn't work... *GNARF*
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12:01 * blindcoder stupid
12:01 * fake talking about wget 1.8.2
12:01 * blindcoder standing in dark corner as punishment
12:02 < daja77> pah dark corner so that no one can see you, no way
12:02 < Lorini> lol
12:03 < blindcoder> daja77: it was worth a try :-)
12:03 < daja77> :)
12:06 * blindcoder wonders...
12:08 < blindcoder> today I'll be told where I have to work starting at Oct 1st
12:09 < daja77> where?
12:09 < blindcoder> yes, where
12:09 < blindcoder> Siemens didn't negotiate a new contract so I'll be somewhere else
12:10 < daja77> good for you
12:11 < blindcoder> well, it _can_ get worse so I'm don't want to jinx it :/
12:12 < fake> aaargh
12:12 * blindcoder now updating his own rock-tree to svn HEAD
12:12 < fake> bakaro!
12:12 < blindcoder> fake: ?
12:12 < daja77> well you should see this as a chance, really
12:13 < fake> the server didn't work because in rc.conf they say ifconfig_rl0... but the card is a vr0 ... *douh*
12:13 < blindcoder> besides, it's bakayarou
12:13 < fake> and i can read that, but the damn linux kernel is unable to write to the ufs
12:13 < fake> so i just would have to change 2 bytes... and it would work...
12:14 < blindcoder> fake: sed 's,ifconfig_rl0,vr0,g' /dev/hda ?
12:14 < fake> ifconfig_vr0, actually
12:14 < blindcoder> daja77: well, best case it's migrating 300 Windows to Linux
12:14 < fake> blindcoder: block device != character stream
12:14 < blindcoder> fake: or that... but can sed handle that?
12:14 < fake> nope
12:15 < fake> hexedit ;)
12:15 < blindcoder> gnarf, dd if=/dev/hda of=- conv=stat | sed 's,bla,blubb,g' >/muchspace/file
12:15 < blindcoder> you could also pipe it through bzip2 -9 if you want :-)
12:16 < fake> or do > /dev/hda ;)
12:16 * fake recreating server image
12:16 < blindcoder> hmm... never tried with blok devices, but I know that this would kill files...
12:17 < fake> *sigh*. 2 hrs hd nulling, 30min installation, 2hrs image creation, 4hrs upload, 1hr image writing...
12:17 < fake> and 5 minutes to see wether it worked or not
12:17 < daja77> hehe
12:18 < blindcoder> :-x
12:19 < blindcoder> hmm
12:19 < blindcoder> is it normal that bc depends on itself?
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12:20 < iBook> hello
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12:26 < fake> how do i null a hard driver with 40 GB as fast as possible?
12:26 < fake> for (( i=0; i<320; i++ )); do echo -e "\0" | dd of=/dev/hda bs=128M conv=sync seek=${i}; done
12:26 < fake> anyone got a better idea?
12:29 < rxr> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disc/discX/disc
12:29 < daja77> *cough* you forgot a blocksize
12:30 < fake> rxr: thats slooooooooooow like hell
12:30 < Mike1> *yawn*
12:30 < rxr> fake: bs=1024 ?
12:31 < rxr> hi Mike1 
12:31 < blindcoder> fake: take a strong magnet and pray :-)
12:31 < fake> rxr: 2048, because that would be the cache size of my hd.
12:31 < Mike1> greetings rxr
12:31 < fake> but the above method is faster by magnitudes
12:31 < fake> becuas conv=sync overwrites the rest of a block with \0 automagically 
12:32 < daja77> moin Mike1 
12:32 < Mike1> hi daja77
12:32 < fake> with conventional methods i get about 10MB/s
12:32 < fake> with the above i get 35MB/s
12:33 < rxr> fake: which OS ?
12:34 < Mike1> blindcoder: you should borrow him ur magnet :)
12:34 < fake> rxr: linux?
12:34 < blindcoder> Mike1: well, at least he will have random characters on it then :)
12:34 < blindcoder> fake: why do you want to null the disk?
12:34 < rxr> and maybe lose the wohle disk - due to missig servo info and so on ..
12:35 < rxr> fake: hm .
12:35 < fake> blindcoder: so i don't have to transfer 40GB over my 16kb/s upstream
12:35 < iBook> hi rxr, martin here
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12:35 < fake> i null a disc, partition & format it, install an OS, dd that through gzip and upload it.
12:35 < fake> so 40GB become ~170MB
12:36 < blindcoder> fake: oh, so you want to upload a complete hd-image?
12:36 < Mike1> greetings jsaw
12:36 < jsaw> re
12:36 < blindcoder> hmm.... okay, sounds reasonable
12:36 < jsaw> hi Mike1 
12:55 < rxr> cu
12:55 * rxr off to ikea ...
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13:34 * fake Wagner - Walkuerenritt
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14:27 * fake bored
14:32 * blindcoder updating his packages, so much to do :)
14:34 * fake still frustrated at mozilla svg support 
14:37 < blindcoder> why?
14:37 < blindcoder> doesn't work?
14:39 < fake> it's not supporting the svg+xml-mim-type
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14:55 < fake> hi clifford!
14:58 < clifford> hi fake.
14:59 < blindcoder> moin clifford 
15:00 < fake> hrmpf
15:01 < Nebukadneza> oh clifford ... hi
15:01 < fake> adobe svg plugin needs libgtksuperwin, which is no longer included with mozilla 1.4... hrmpf.
15:01 < Nebukadneza> eaten mushrooms again? *G*
15:20 < blindcoder> wow, my first ROCK patch in months :/
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16:09 < esden> hi all
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16:12 < blindcoder> moin esden! *hug*
16:14 < esden> cu all ... brb
16:16 < blindcoder> hmpf
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16:24 < mnemoc> nobody likes my extraversion patch?? =(
16:25 < blindcoder> whichb do you mean?
16:26 < mnemoc> on 17's morning i send a patch to really honor extraversion of linux2*
16:27 < mnemoc> (well tested)
16:27 < mnemoc> but nobody answer a thing :(
16:29 < blindcoder> haven't really looked into it since I'm not very well versed into the inner specs of hte linux-packages...
16:31 < mnemoc> it's pretty simple, in the beginig grab 'extraversion' from vanilla
16:31 < mnemoc> cleaning it after
16:31 < mnemoc> and then grab extraversion of every patch applied, cleaning it too
16:33 < mnemoc> and at the end it inject 'full' extraversion to Makefile creating linux24-benh-ctx17a-rsbac-uml-foo-var-rock =)
16:33 < mnemoc> linux-2.4.22-benh..... (fix)
16:36 < blindcoder> hrm...
16:36 < blindcoder> at least you'd know what you have patched into your kernel...
16:38 < mnemoc> i have a working machine with linux2.4.22-ctx17a-rsbac-rock :)
16:38 < mnemoc> the patch is _really_ simple... take a look =)
16:39 < mnemoc> well... not really 'working' but 'prompting login/pass' ;)
16:39 < mnemoc> i have to test rsbac/ctx compatibility
16:41 < mnemoc> (btw, the long line written before just included all the suffixes i remembered at that moment, nothing about compatibility)
16:41 < blindcoder> mhm
16:43 < mnemoc> nobody likes my patch =(
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16:46 < daja77> re
16:47 < daja77> .oO protected __mnemoc again
16:47 < Lorini> re
16:50 < blindcoder> re daja77, Lorini 
16:51 < daja77> huhu blindy
16:51 < rxr> re
16:53 < daja77> re rxr
16:53 < blindcoder> re rxr
16:54 < daja77> rxr: i'd like to discuss some stuff for a multimedia target when you have some time for it
17:14 < __mnemoc> re daja77 :)
17:14 < __mnemoc> re rxr
17:14 * fake sitting in front of a windows NT 4machine, using IE 2.0
17:15 < fake> feeling nostalgic
17:15 < __mnemoc> fake: http 1.0?? at least get ie4sp1 :)
17:15 < __mnemoc> sorry 0.9 ;)
17:15 < fake> __mnemoc : i'm downloading netscape 7.1 right now
17:15 < rxr> daja77: oehm - not yet. Maybe later.
17:16 < daja77> yepp, as i said, _when_ you have time :)
17:16 < fake> iv ISDN -_-
17:17 < fake> over single channel ISDN that should say
17:17 * fake away again
17:18 < rxr> daja77: ;-) I have to sort the univerity plan for this semester
17:18 < esden> re hi all
17:18 < daja77> cu fake 
17:18 < blindcoder> esden: *hug*
17:18 < rxr> theoretically it allready started monday ...
17:18 < rxr> and the TODO already is that long
17:18 < daja77> rxr: hehe should do that soon too :)
17:19 < daja77> hi esden 
17:19 < __mnemoc> re esden 
17:19 < esden> blindcoder: *hug*
17:19 < esden> hi daja77, __mnemoc 
17:20 < esden> cu fake 
17:20 < blindcoder> esden: I miss you *snif*
17:20 < esden> I miss you too ... we can meet on next tuesday or how it is spelled ;)
17:20 < daja77> really?
17:20 < esden> in the night ...
17:20 * daja77 hides
17:21 < Lorini> oh.. sweet
17:21 < Lorini> daja!
17:21 < esden> you have to show me what you have learned in the dance school ;)
17:21 < blindcoder> I have my first lesson next Tuesday...
17:21 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... then on wenesday 
17:21 < blindcoder> Lorini: True love can only exist between men! :)
17:21 < daja77> Lorini!
17:21 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... not much to show... But okay :)
17:21 < esden> blindcoder: full ack ;)
17:21 < Lorini> blindcoder: of course..
17:22 < esden> blindcoder: not much is more then nothing ...
17:22 < blindcoder> esden: Wednesday to dance lesson I'd say :) 18:30!!
17:22 < daja77> <- feels bein wathced by Lorini 
17:22 < esden> blindcoder: !!! GRRRR
17:22 < Lorini> daja: sometimes you are right..
17:22 < blindcoder> esden: What??? *cry*
17:22 < esden> please before the lesson ... that would be more usefull ;)
17:23 < daja77> O_o
17:23 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... okay... 17:00 @bitz
17:23 < esden> blindcoder: ok ... should be enough
17:23 < Lorini> i am big brother! ..uhm.. sister!
17:23 < blindcoder> esden: depends on how fast you learn :D
17:23 < daja77> uh
17:23 < blindcoder> Lorini-oneesama :D
17:24 < esden> uh oh ... maild from Mr. Blindy on RLML ... nice ;)
17:24 * -> esden reading
17:24 < blindcoder> esden: /mbe whistles innocently
17:24 < daja77> hehe blindy even writing to dasr ....
17:24 < esden> blindcoder: I ... I am unable to learn ... but that is an other thing ...
17:24 < blindcoder> daja77: yeah, I've been bored
17:24 * blindcoder taking out a clue-by-four
17:24 < blindcoder> You *will* learn
17:25 * blindcoder listening Aniverse Radio @work
17:25 < esden> blindcoder: I feel the input device on my head already
17:26 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
17:26 * blindcoder --> brb
17:26 < esden> input device aka baseball bat ...
17:28 * blindcoder back
17:28 < blindcoder> hehe, hddtemp is nice :)
17:28 * daja77 wondering if any cluebat would work on esden 
17:29 < blindcoder> daja77: only if it's well-shaped and Polish :D
17:29 < SMP> daja77: it would be too heavy for anyone to lift it ;>
17:29 * blindcoder runs
17:29 < daja77> rofl
17:33 < esden> you ave very nice to me guys, I very appreciate that
17:33 < blindcoder> We're trying hard :)
17:33 < daja77> we all lovbe you esden ...
17:36 < esden> yes I see it ...
17:36 < Lorini> what is "lovbe"?
17:36 < blindcoder> Lorini: love with a tpypo
17:36 < esden> that is a way daja feels for me ... ;)
17:36 < Lorini> esden: *gg*
17:36 < Lorini> nice
17:36 < blindcoder> hehe, hddtemp is really nice :)
17:36 < daja77> not only me ....
17:36 < esden> blindcoder: you are repeating yourself
17:37 < daja77> no he exaggerated
17:38 < blindcoder> esden: I'm currently tying to imtegrate it into my ledmeter
17:38 < Lorini> ok, i have to go now
17:38 < Lorini> see you tomorrow
17:38 < blindcoder> to say: LED on --> HD too hot
17:39 < daja77> cu Lorini 
17:43 < esden> blindcoder: nice
17:43 < blindcoder> esden: I have a project I want to do you might be interested in :)
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17:50 < fake> re
17:50 < blindcoder> or maybe not...
17:50 < blindcoder> rehi
17:51 < [n00b]Wib> back again with questions :) => i can see my ethernet devices on lspci, but not on ifconfig
17:53 < daja77> if you are still in maintainance shell we cannot help you
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17:53 < [n00b]Wib> im logged in as root :)
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17:54 < [n00b]Wib> (but that disk still gives that error, i'll live with it)
17:55 < daja77> well if your install is that fscked up as you described it here, from what do you think to continue
17:55 < [n00b]Wib> what you tell me now, i don't have to ask later
17:56 < [n00b]Wib> what i've tried:
17:56 < [n00b]Wib> run stone
17:56 < [n00b]Wib> go to kernel drivers and hardware config
17:56 < [n00b]Wib> checked "realtek semiconductor"
17:56 < [n00b]Wib> but then it gives an error
17:56 < daja77> well if your install would have worked fine the number of question would be lesser
17:56 < [n00b]Wib> true
17:57 < [n00b]Wib> but i'm still learning alot in the meanwhile
17:57 < [n00b]Wib> "can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.22/modules.dep (no such file or directory)"
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17:58 < daja77> related to your hd errors, really you have no base to work on
17:58 < [n00b]Wib> alright then
18:01 < daja77> sorry
18:01 < esden> [n00b]Wib: to create modules.dep run depmod -a
18:02 < esden> if you still want to fight that dying machine ;)
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18:04 < daja77> esden: he is working from within maitainance shell, setting up networking there makes no sense
18:05 < esden> daja77: ack
18:11 < [n00b]Wib> will 2.0 be out during or after the weekend?
18:11 < [n00b]Wib>  i mean: the next rev
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18:15 < __mnemoc> [n00b]Wib: did you hand rebuild your kernel?
18:17 < [n00b]Wib> rxr did that for me
18:18 < [n00b]Wib> well i mean the vmlinuz image
18:18 < __mnemoc> you need to install modules of that rebuild too
18:18 < __mnemoc> mmmm
18:18 < __mnemoc> ls /lib/modules
18:18 < [n00b]Wib> but no matter, ill just wait untill next release, there the installation will recognize my hardware, and i'll start all over
18:18 < __mnemoc> ok :)
18:22 < rxr> [n00b]Wib: hm - I have not decided if I include the huge qla1280 SCSI update into our official kernel - that would be a big to-be-maintained patch ...
18:23 * rxr shortly away ...
18:26 < [n00b]Wib> ic
18:28 < [n00b]Wib> once you have a working qla, do you need to have it maintained?  of course there is still the matter of size...
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18:29 < __mnemoc> [n00b]Wib: will you build your rock or you will only tune binary-distributed drocks? 
18:30 < __mnemoc> because you can include that patch in your own-personal-target and build your rock with qla1280 support
18:31 < daja77> hehe with extension
18:31 * daja77 hides
18:32 < [n00b]Wib> mnemoc: ill build my own rock
18:32 < [n00b]Wib> if i can figure out how :)
18:33 < [n00b]Wib> but of course, i'd like to get my current binary working..
18:33 < __mnemoc> daja77: linux2.4.22-qla1280-rock :)
18:33 < daja77> :)
18:33 < [n00b]Wib> :)
18:33 < __mnemoc> read in the handbook about targets
18:34 < daja77> why a new target for that?
18:34 < [n00b]Wib> now reading this one : http://www.linux-tutorial.info/cgi-bin/display.pl?3&0&2&0&3
18:36 < __mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html <--- this is the handbook, but improving your linux knowledge is good :)
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18:37 < __mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/ moved :\
18:37 < [n00b]Wib> somewhere this year i believe we have to do some linuxing at school, but i believe it'll be very basic, like installing debian orso
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18:46 < esden> cu all
18:47 < daja77> cu esden 
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18:55 < jsaw_> rxr: ping
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19:06 < rxr> poing
19:07 < rxr> jsaw_: I'm going to reboot the iBook into a updated kernel - feel free to post your Q already
19:07 * rxr back in a minute (hopefully)
19:08 < jsaw_> rxr: I got a huge problem: docbook/dtd stuff will not do without /etc/postinstall.d
19:10 < jsaw_> me also back in a few secs
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19:16 < rxr> re
19:16 < rxr> jsaw_: you mean the gnome scrollkeeper stuff?
19:16 < jsaw_> also
19:17 < jsaw_> generally additional dtd's seem not to be recursively detected by "xmlcatalog"
19:17 -!- __mnemoc1 is now known as mnemoc
19:18 < jsaw_> look into "docbookx412/buildDocBookCatalog"
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19:18 < rxr> this is the file which downloads the files from sourceforge ?
19:18 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
19:19 < jsaw> nope. Just the file, that generates /etc/xml/catalog, /etc/xml/docbook.
19:19 < jsaw> And probably also responsible for the constant downloads of dtd by scrollkeeper.
19:20 < jsaw> (but I'm not sure, because I haven't installed my stuff)
19:20 < jsaw> s/)/yet)/
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19:44 < jsaw> rxr: next question: how do I sort priorities in only one repo?
19:51 < rxr> oehm - why?
19:52 < jsaw> rxr: because there are too many packages to be re-sorted by hand in gnome24 (I lost overview).
19:53 < daja77> the gnome effect ...
19:53 < jsaw> (I extracted the build order from garnome, but obviously did sth. wrong...)
19:55 < rxr> jsaw: hm I do not think the scripts have support for this - just resort all and sent only the gnome24 repository
19:56 < rxr> but for the sorting you need .cache files do you have those ?
19:56 < jsaw> $builddir/var/adm/cache/, or?
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20:03 < rxr> they utilize the package/$repository/$pkg/$pkg.cache file ...
20:04 < jsaw> yeah, yeah, I know. But I can copy them from var/adm/cache there, can't I?
20:04 < daja77> hmm the err count reduced to 30 now :)
20:06 < daja77> ah nice sshd lost its host keys after Emerge-Pkg
20:07 < rxr> sure
20:10 < daja77> no they are not lost, but they are not in /etc/ssh dir as default config expects and have different names :-(
20:10 < daja77> config was overwritten
20:11 < daja77> i just don't know why we changed this (having the keys lying around in /etc)
20:13 < daja77> ah configs are duplicate *sigh*
20:15 < daja77> *argl*
20:15 < daja77> the startup scripts expects the config in /etc/ssh but they are in /etc we must have moved that in the meantime
20:17 < daja77> ok fixed
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20:19 < frikkalikka> hi guys
20:20 < frikkalikka> some troubles installing rock
20:21 < daja77> d'oh automatic dependency resolving shows strange results
20:21 < daja77> according to our script it depends dia depends on sendmail and isdn4k-utils O_o
20:22 < daja77> s/it depends//
20:24 < frikkalikka> why /scripts/Config cant see any file in /scripts/ ?
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20:25 < frikkalikka> i've exported a new PATH with the path of scripts
20:25 < frikkalikka> but nothing changes
20:26 < daja77> hm?
20:27 < daja77> there is no need to set a path ...
20:28 < daja77> you start the scripts from which directory?
20:33 < frikkalikka> /root/tmp/rock____/scripts
20:33 < daja77> you should start the script from /root/tmp/rock____
20:34 < frikkalikka> ok
20:34 < daja77> with ./scripts/Config
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20:35 < frikkalikka> now it's working
20:35 < frikkalikka> :)
20:35 < frikkalikka> tnx
20:35 < daja77> :)
20:44 < [n00b]Wib> was everything in life this easy...
20:46 < [n00b]Wib> so im still getting that e2fsck error at boot
20:47 < [n00b]Wib> and when shutting down, it umounts the same disk twice, once as rw and once as ro
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21:03 < fake> ...
21:03 < fake> re
21:03 < jsaw> fake: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/
21:03 < fake> jsaw: you're into svg?
21:04 < jsaw> fake: no, just stumbled over the freshmeat announcement, remembering your complaint
21:04 < jsaw> fake: but I maybe will create an svg rock theme - sooner or later
21:06 < frikkalikka> how can i find the packageslist??
21:06 < frikkalikka> how can i find the packages list??
21:07 < frikkalikka> ...where
21:07 < frikkalikka> ?
21:07 < jsaw> frikkalikka: of your config or all available?
21:09 < frikkalikka> all available
21:09 < jsaw> e.g. echo package/*/*
21:15 < fake> jsaw: the native svg renderer in mozilla is not really nice
21:15 < frikkalikka> oh sorry not the packages
21:15 < frikkalikka> mirrors list
21:17 < fake> frikkala: read scripts/Download ;)
21:17 < jsaw> fake: hmm... (btw, the gtksuperwin is still in the source ...)
21:17 < fake> jsaw: but not on my machine, unfortunately :P
21:18 < jsaw> fake: I know, it's not compiled, only in the mozilla sources.
21:28 < fake> hrmpf.
21:28 < fake> it's getting damn cold outsides...
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21:47 < fake>  /var/log/boredom: no space left on device
21:50 < Aard_> similar problem. no idea how to solve $problem. :(
21:50 < fake> Aard_: auch auf nix bock?
21:51 < Aard_> fake: noe. auf arbeit, am coden, aber gerade gedankenleere. 
21:51 < Aard_> mach gerade zur ablenkung mal wieder ein paar bildchen -- http://bwachter.lart.info/public/pictures/DSCW0026.JPG
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21:54 < fake> Aard_ is a windows user.
21:54 < Aard_> only @work
21:54 < fake> yeah yeah...
21:55 < fake> http://osnews.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=41732/ut=d9eb7c324a1d654a
21:55 < fake> hm, maybe we all should use thatr.
21:59 < fake> 430951 bytes transferred in 0.2 seconds (1.76 MBps)
21:59 < fake> muhaha.
22:03 * fake brb
22:05 < daja77> rofl @ Aard_ 
22:06 < Aard_> daja77: ?
22:07 < daja77> that workspace with food and drinks ...
22:07 < daja77> reminds me of work a bit ...
22:07 < Aard_> it is work :)
22:07 < daja77> :)
22:08 < daja77> nice tft
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22:11 < daja77> rotf /me got mail from fedora, they made rhymess in their announcement
22:11 < daja77> +l
22:11 < daja77> where fedora = redhat
22:12 < Aard_> uff. got the main loop working :)
22:13 < daja77> hehehe the only rh mirror in south america is in chile ...
22:16 < mnemoc> ./scripts/* are designed to run in that way, not in PATH
22:16 < mnemoc> oops
22:16 < mnemoc> damn scroll :|
22:17 < mnemoc> daja77: there are many rh mirrors here, not just one
22:17 < daja77> only one official
22:17 < daja77> which carries the beta
22:21 < Aard_> ..watching a bit `monty pythons sense of life'. maybe that will help
22:25 < mnemoc> anybody tracing the 'broke' on lvm?
22:32 < SMP> what broke?
22:33 < fake> that's cool. whenever you need to talk to SMP, just say the magic three letter 'lvm', and he'll be here.
22:35 < mnemoc> ++ sed -f conftest.s1
22:35 < mnemoc> sed: file conftest.s1 line 39: Unterminated `s' command
22:35 < mnemoc> on config.status
22:35 < mnemoc> it's dummy but have to be solved :-\
22:36 < SMP> why the hell did it break? lvm just used to work
22:37 < mnemoc> don't know yet
22:37 < fake> .oO( then patch sed... *g* )
22:37 < SMP> fake: *SIGH*
22:37 < fake> :P
22:38 < SMP> and then let's patch the c preprocessort so it automatically includes missing headers ...
22:38 < mnemoc> =\
22:38 < rxr> .oO ( This C header inclusing is a bit miss-concept anyway )
22:38 < rxr> s/bit/big/
22:39 < fake> SMP: that's cool. how about self-completing makefiles, that guess $prefix ?
22:40 < SMP> right
22:41 < SMP> and then for ROCK 3.0 we rewrite everything scripts/* in LISP and have a self-correcting build system
22:41 < fake> no, in Java.
22:42 < daja77> hey! don't make me leave here
22:42 < fake> and we keep an online RMI server, where the corrected objects are persisted
22:42 < SMP> no, Java is ROCK 4.0
22:42 < fake> so all intelligence is equally distributed.
22:42 < fake> what's in store for 5.0 then?
22:42 < daja77> haha Rock 5 is python and rock 6 is ruby *screaming*
22:42 < fake> ah, let's do that in bash - hahaha
22:43 < SMP> we use the build output from 3.0 to train a genetic algorithm that automatically figures out how to transform the sources into that build output
22:43 < fake> javascript?
22:43 < fake> then we can give the rocklinux_.org_ a meaning - rocklinux.organism
22:44 < SMP> excatly!
22:44 < daja77> and i though only esden is drunk ...
22:44 < SMP> because ROCK 6.0 will pass the Turing test!
22:44 < fake> ... we will bring evidence to the substrate independence theory... 
22:45 < fake> we can't plan the releases after rock 6.0 because rock will plan the by itself...
22:46 < fake> rxr's mew-autoapply-patch-script will replace a stable maintainer by then.
22:46 < SMP> no, there will be no releases past 6.0
22:46 < rxr> fake: btw - reminder: speach output pluging ;-)
22:46 < SMP> because ROCK 6.0 will negate all existence in the universe
22:47 < daja77> rocklinux 42 ...
22:47 < fake> because 6.0 will overtake the world and start a global thermonuclear war to hunt glibc writers ? ;))
22:47 < daja77> and autoconf developers
22:47 < SMP> no, it think the Great GNU War is for 5.0
22:47 < fake> *rofl*
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22:48 < fake> no wonder -when a system needs to learn building glibc optimized all by itself, it will get damn intelligent...
22:48 < SMP> but there's always a chance that BSD might win that war - so we will have to assimilate them before
22:48 < fake> first attempts with 2.1 *g*
22:49 < SMP> ;->
22:49 < fake> rxr: i am currently pretty unmotivated to finish that... to be honest. 
22:50 < daja77> :(
22:51 < fake> maybe i do it this weekend- if i'm in the mood
22:51 < fake> nobody needs that feature, and it's surely no 2.0 showstopper
22:52 < fake> mips gives me the creeps, it will surely not be perfect for 2.0 either.
22:53 < fake> the svn-static stuff is on my list, but i first need to get openssh to compile
22:53 < fake> therefore ssl should put its damn headers somewhere where the ssh config finds them
22:53 < fake> it was all in all pretty frustrating, so i stopped there. have to look into it... some day...
23:00 < daja77> fake: btw is it rioght that you ported rock to playstation?
23:01 < fake> who said that?
23:01 < daja77> dunno exactly
23:02 < fake> no. the online request for donations for a playstation linux kit (which i simply can't effort) is extremely succesfull - as was the one for the ps2 itself
23:03 < fake> (i got one from my boss for christmas - instead of money.)
23:03 < daja77> :)
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23:07 < mnemoc> lvm broke is produced by rsbac :-\
23:08 < daja77> oh you are not protected, even when i have broken packages of yours *ggg*
23:08 < mnemoc> :)
23:09 < mnemoc> rsbac add a second EXTRAVERSION line and lvm can't handle that
23:09 < daja77> well do we really need that extraversion stuff
23:10 < mnemoc> rsbac is guilty, not extraversion patch =)
23:10 < daja77> ic
23:10 < mnemoc> ifeq ($(CONFIG_RSBAC),y)
23:10 < mnemoc> EXTRAVERSION = -rsbac
23:11 < mnemoc> endif
23:11 < mnemoc> lvm's linuxversion detector don't understand it
23:11 < fake> --->  Skipping 'mail/postfix' (postfix-2.0.15,1) because 'devel/pcre' (pcre-4.3) failed
23:11 < fake> hrmpf.
23:12 < mnemoc> am i guilty of that too?
23:12 < fake> ---> because of mnemoc.
23:12 < fake> is the next line. haha.
23:12 < mnemoc> yes, yes, yes!!! i'm the one
23:13 < daja77> sendmüll is borken too
23:13 < SMP> I HATE SUBVERSION
23:13 < daja77> ah shared files only
23:14 < fake> SMP: you could always set up a cvs <-> svn gateway .... *g*
23:14 < A-Tui> hi, how can i get in the string "name: path/to/my/file" only the path to file? i tried this: echo ${string# *} but not run
23:14 < fake> .oO( but then you'd hate both )
23:15 < SMP> fake: at least cvs doesn't get in my way by trying to be smart
23:15 < fake> echo $string | sed -e 's,^.*: ,,'
23:15 < fake> (gives problems if there is a ':' in the path/filename)
23:15 < fake> SMP: ;)
23:15 < SMP> use | cut -d: f2-
23:16 < fake> -_-
23:16 * fake was missing in the 'cut' and 'tr' lessons
23:16 < A-Tui> it's not possible to do with an asignment of the style ${something}
23:16 < A-Tui> i'm reading at the source of pkg-remove from the old rock-1.6
23:16 < SMP> I think it is
23:17 < SMP> let me try
23:17 < SMP> (*HATE* *HATE* *HATE*)
23:17 < fake> SMP: think pink!
23:18 < A-Tui> ${string% *} return  "name:"
23:20 < SMP> A-Tui: ${foo#* } should do it
23:20 * fake Tito and Tarantula - After Dark
23:20 < A-Tui> SMP: let me see
23:20 < A-Tui> yes, runs thanks SMP
23:21 < A-Tui> i forgot the last blank
23:23 < jsaw> ${string#* }
23:24 * jsaw should go to be
23:24 < jsaw> <- too stupid to read, good night, cu 
23:24 < SMP> ;)
23:24 < daja77> n8 jsaw 
23:24 < A-Tui> yes thanks jsaw, i don't understand very well the ${%} and the ${#} assignments
23:24 < fake> n8 jsaw 
23:24 < A-Tui> bye jsaw
23:25 < jsaw> A-Tui: "Eselsbruecke": # starts to delete from the beginning, % starts at the end.
23:25 < jsaw> A-Tui: think of # starting comments
23:26 < jsaw> A-Tui: #,% shortest match, ##,%% longest match
23:26 < A-Tui> aha
23:26 < jsaw> bye bye
23:26 < A-Tui> bye and tnx
23:41 < mnemoc> nice.. lvm building again
23:43 < mnemoc> damn rsbac :(
23:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I apply the patches tomorrow morning - I need sleep now ...
23:46 < rxr> cu
23:46 < fake> n8 rxr
23:46 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
23:50 < fake> Aard_: what's in the box with the sheeps on it?
23:55 < fake> Aard_: urgh... lotus notes R5...
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