--- Log opened Fri Sep 26 00:00:45 2003
00:07 < Aard_> fake: no, r6 :)
00:07 < fake> r6?
00:07 < fake> it's out?
00:07 < fake> i thought that is going to be groove...
00:07 < fake> (btw, lotus notes runs fine under WINE)
00:08 < Aard_> fake: we're currently at notes 6.0.2 CF2 (after 6.0.1 CF1-3), and approaching notes 6.5 in november
00:08 < fake> Aard_: where are you working?
00:08 < Aard_> fake: I know. the client. but the designerclient and the administratorclient tend to make problems
00:08 < Aard_> zentric. http://www.zentric.de
00:09 < fake> Aard_: i am glad i didn't make any contact with that.
00:09 < fake> (i am just now looking at the cool commodore stuff on your site - makes me feel nostalgic)
00:09 < Aard_> If I'm using notes I'm motly working with the administrator or designerclient. as every notes-administrator does...
00:10 < Aard_> hm. Maybe I'll make some pictures of my commodore-hw tomorrow ;)
00:12 < fake> i have most of that stuff lying around here somewhere...
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00:14 < fake> so you market lotus domino / notes solutions?
00:16 * fake was a regulat "64'er"-reader
00:18 < Aard_> fake: yes, that's one of our most important services. nearly every bank uses notes, but does not have qualified personal to manage it.
00:27 < fake> and who or what is 'chuck' ?
00:28 < fake> "Booting on XL using machine vector XL from MILO"
00:28 < fake> MILO... mips?
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00:30 < fake> http://bwachter.lart.info/public/fundsache.jpeg
00:30 < fake> *ROFL*
00:40 < fake> http://bwachter.lart.info/public/me_kjl_1.jpg
00:40 < fake> mir gefaellt das dezente blatt im hintergrund
00:42 < Aard_> fake: `fundsache' -- ich hab da mal ne ganze schachtel voll beim aufraeumen gefunden. ging dann im sommer beim camp drauf
00:43 < Aard_> `chuck' -- zum einen meine palme, zum anderen meine alpha xl
00:45 < fake> ah, alpha.
00:45 < fake> mkay ;)
00:45 < fake> have we met on the camp?
00:48 < Aard_> fake: I don't think so. 
00:48 < Aard_> I didn't even know you were there
00:49 < fake> ... then i didn't know you were there.
00:49 < fake> did you visit the rock corner ?
00:49 < Aard_> I visited esden...
00:50 < fake> in his / netrunne1's van, or in the left bsd tent?
00:51 < Aard_> in his van
00:51 < fake> hm.
00:51 < fake> then you missed the whole show ;)
00:51 < fake> http://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/hacking/cccamp-2003/
00:52 < fake> there are many many more pics, but those three are specifically of us
00:54 < fake> http://bwachter.lart.info/public/stone.jpg
00:54 < fake> that's nice
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01:29 < fake> hi Lorini 
01:29 < Lorini> hi
01:31 < daja77> huhu Lorini 
01:31 < Lorini> huhu daja!
01:31 < Lorini> why do you welcome me in here? :(
01:32 < daja77> ahem why not ...
01:32 < fake> does anyone in here have the album 'fixed water' from 'sophia' ?
01:33 < Lorini> nope..
01:33 * fake not in the mood for filesharing crap
01:34 < Aard_> n8
01:34 < daja77> n8 Aard_ 
01:34 < fake> n8 Aard_ 
01:34 < Lorini> n8
01:37 < fake> hm.
01:37 < fake> caffeine or <*beep*> ?
01:37 < Lorini> beep
01:38 < Lorini> beep cant be bad..
01:38 < Lorini> whatever beep is 
01:38 < daja77> beep show 
01:38 < daja77> O_o
01:38 < Lorini> isnt it peep show?
01:38 < fake> beep is \8, iirc?
01:38 < fake> echo -e '\8' 
01:39 < daja77> hehe, well you know i am from saxony ...
01:39 < Lorini> saxony...
01:39 < fake> hm, i forgot
01:39 < daja77> yes, we can't speak p or t, you know
01:40 < fake> echo -ne "\a"
01:40 < fake> but \a's ascii nr. is...
01:40 < fake> 07. *sigh*.
01:40 < fake> off by one.
01:41 < fake> echo -ne "\7"
01:41 < Lorini> bahnhof
01:41 < fake> Lorini: macht piep.
01:41 < fake> oder eben beep.
01:41 < daja77> never mind, he is just sleepy
01:42 < Lorini> ok
01:42 < fake> no, not yet.
01:42 * daja77 now off
01:42 < fake> but i'm working on it ;)
01:42 < fake> n8 daja77 
01:42 < Lorini> night daja
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02:12 * fake Within Temptation - Mother Earth
02:12 < fake> and i want to hear sophia now
02:12 < fake> damn it.
02:19 < fake> ui
02:19 < fake> ice queen
02:19 < Lorini> mh
02:19 < Lorini> nice
02:19 < fake> ack
02:20 * netrunne1 is badly ill. and was just woken up by a friend who needs a lift from fuerholzen back to munich :/
02:20 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
02:21 < Lorini> its so cold in here
02:21 < fake> netrunner: tell him/her to leave you alone?
02:22 < fake> Lorini: strange, in here all windows(tm) should be closed.
02:22 < Lorini> my window is closed
02:22 < rolla> re
02:23 < fake> hi rolla 
02:23 < Lorini> my head is hot, everything else cold as ice
02:23 < fake> Lorini: then stop thinking about... whatever you think about.
02:23 < fake> ;)
02:24 < Lorini> hehe. i am a woman, i do not think
02:24 < fake> .oO( a female macho ? )
02:24 < netrunner> fake: cannot do, comes from moldova and is (almost) family :(
02:25 < Lorini> macho? no
02:25 * netrunner throwing in some aspirin
02:25 < fake> netrunner: poor boy :(
02:25 < Lorini> netrunner: gute besserung (whatever that is in english)
02:25 < fake> bless you?
02:25 < Lorini> really?
02:25 < fake> not sure
02:25 < fake> rolla?
02:27 < Lorini> if netrunner lives in munich (or somewhere there..) he will understand me
02:28 < netrunner> you say 'bless you' when somebody sneezes ... mabye 'get well soon' (according to leo)
02:28 < netrunner> but thank's you two :)
02:28 < fake> hm, rolla would know it ... he knows a bit german ;)
02:29 < fake> get well soon sounds like an order from my boss
02:30 * netrunner gets some rest until they calll again, cu guys!
02:31 < fake> cu!
02:31 < netrunner> hm ... if those guys at work wonder why I write my 'can't come' mail at 2:30 am? :)
02:31 < Lorini> cu netrunner
02:36 < fake> ha ha!
02:36 < fake> o_O
02:41 < rolla> fake: 
02:42 < fake> rolla: what does 'gute besserung' mean in english?
02:48 < rolla> ah
02:48 < rolla> mom
02:48 < rolla> well direct translation is good improvement
02:50 < rolla> do you want me to guess at what you really want it to say in english
02:51 < fake> ah, no, it's ok. nevermind ;) thanks
02:51 < rolla> sorry
02:51 < rolla> why did you want to know?
02:52 < fake> because netrunner is ill, and we wanted to tell him to get better...
02:52 < rolla> ach so
02:52 < rolla> so you wanted to say "hope you get better"
02:52 < rolla> is netrunner american?
02:53 < fake> no, he's from around munich, too, but we wanted to follow the channel language 
02:53 < rolla> I see
02:53 < fake> so "hope you get better, netrunner"
02:53 < rolla> :)
02:57 < rolla> ttyl
03:07 * fake The 69 Eyes - Gothic Girl
03:14 * fake off
03:14 < fake> n8!
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08:23 < martin_> moin
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08:52 < blindcoder> moin
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10:21 < daja77> moin clifford & blindcoder 
10:21 < blindcoder> moin clifford 
10:21 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
10:21 < clifford> moin
10:22 < blindcoder> does anyone of you know Arclink, Easy Archive or web@find?
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10:49 < esden> moin all ...
10:49 < esden> I WANT MY FIXED CONNECTION BACK!!!
10:50 < blindcoder> moin esdi :)
10:53 < esden> blindcoder: subscribe to the lcdproc mailinglist ... that will be interesting for you ...
10:53 < blindcoder> adress?
10:53 < esden> www.lcdproc.org ..
10:54 < blindcoder> have you had a loook at that site recently?
10:54 < blindcoder> they are still in software-patent-demonstration-mode
10:55 < esden> no I have not ... but there is a link to the real site ... as on all demonstration sites ;)
10:56 < blindcoder> any special thread currently going on?
10:57 < esden> yes self built usb to parallel connection for lcd's ;)
10:57 < blindcoder> hmhm nice
10:57 * blindcoder --> lunch
10:58 < esden> with, for example, amtel microcontrollers
10:58 < esden> bon apetitt
11:00 * -> esden off again
11:00 < esden> cu guys
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11:33 < rxr> hi
11:34 < daja77> hi rxr
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11:42 < rxr> moin
11:46 < martin_> hi rxr
11:46 < martin_> it's all okay?
11:57 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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12:02 < freed> hi all
12:02 < martin_> hi freed :-)
12:02 < freed> ah martin
12:03 < freed> heute ncih als ibook hier?
12:03 < freed> lol
12:05 < martin_> rxr: what about OpenGL support for iBooks?
12:08 < martin_> cul ....
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12:31 < scythe_> hi
12:31 < scythe_> jsaw: ping
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13:05 < christ|an> rxr: mail
13:17 < Freak> bonjour
13:18 < rxr> hi Freak christ|an 
13:18 < Freak> hi rxr
13:19 * blindcoder sleepy >_<
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13:20 < christ|an> hi rxr
13:24 < scythe_> Q: what shall I do if im creating a pkg, and its url is a CGI, not a .tar.bz2 or such. How can i rename it after download to conform the ROCK scripts?
13:28 < rxr> scythe_: http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/trunk/package/base/sysfiles/sysfiles.desc
13:28 < scythe_> thank you
13:30 < scythe_> wait a minute, i dont see the connection...
13:31 < scythe_> im downloadin a perl script with parameters, which is a .tar.gz, i need to rename it after download.
13:31 < rxr> you want to download the file to have another filename on the disk, right ?
13:31 < scythe_> yup
13:31 < rxr> the ! is doing it
13:31 < scythe_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
13:31 < rxr> I'm just adapting the Handbook because it is not yet documented in it ...
13:32 < scythe_> i think it wasnt in PKG-DESC-FORMAT either....
13:32 < rxr> yes - it is not.
13:32 < scythe_> (it will be package/s390/s390-tools, the boot loader)
13:32 < blindcoder> rxr: sorry for interrupting, but what do you think about making scripts/Download a bit less verbose?
13:36 < rxr> scythe_:  ;-)!
13:36 < rxr> blindcoder: propose a patch and start a discussion on the ML ...
13:37 < blindcoder> rxr: okay, will resend the patch with [RFC] in subject
13:38 < rxr> scythe_: how does you download tag look now ?
13:38 < scythe_> 1 pkg
13:38 < scythe_> :-)
13:39 < rxr> could you paste the [D] line so I can make sure we boths have benn talking about the same ?
13:39 < scythe_> the [d] line in s390-tools.desc?
13:41 < rxr> yes
13:41 < rxr> scythe_: http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse55.html#x80-15200018.2.6
13:41 < rxr> ^- updated
13:41 < scythe_> [D] 3737947327 s390-tools.tar.gz !http://oss.software.ibm.com/cgi-bin/linux390/download.pl?file=s390-tools-1.2.1-june2003.tar.gz&firstrun=no
13:42 < scythe_> it's because ibm get downloaders to read the GPL license before downloading
13:42 < scythe_> that's what the firstrun=yes does
13:42 < rxr> oehm - does no work for me
13:43 < scythe_> i couldn't paste it in 9wm, i typo-ed in
13:43 < rxr> two things:
13:44 < rxr> 1. you should also use the version in the downloaded fiel (1.2.1 here)
13:44 < scythe_> 1.: ok, corrected
13:44 < rxr> 2. if the page sends a redirect or so - curl as used in the ROCK scripts - will not follow the redirect
13:44 < scythe_> 2: it did download for me 
13:45 < rxr> you would need to get this redirected URL - and if you do this you'll have a non-cgi URL you could use as it for the [D] tag
13:45 < scythe_> and the currect url is with first_run=nu
13:45 < scythe_> (no) i hate tzpos
13:45 < scythe_> ahhh
13:50 < scythe_> so: there's no redirect, or cgi-less url, and it downloaded for me 2 sec ago perfectly, i just had to correct cksum
13:50 < rxr> ok
13:55 < scythe_> one more thing, how can i get this package, to be automatically selected when i choose the architecture?
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14:00 < blindcoder> [R] + s390
14:01 < blindcoder> [P] X --------- 800.000
14:01 < blindcoder> something like that
14:01 < scythe_> i did things like that...
14:01 < rxr> blindcoder: huh? why the many ---------
14:01 < rxr> blindcoder: not built in any stage ?
14:02 < scythe_> btw, y there isn't a [R] + x86 in x86/intel-rng's .desc, it always downloads for me on s390... jsaw could tell me y...
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14:03 < rxr> scythe_: do you use Download -all or Download -required ?
14:03 < scythe_> -required, with minimalist template, with - linux26* and -  intel-rng
14:04 < martin__> re
14:06 < martin__> hi rxr
14:11 < scythe_> it doesnt get into config/packages even if i add X s390-tools rule... but scripts/Download -package s390-tools works...
14:12 < blindcoder> rxr: I just wanted to point out the X
14:14 < rxr> hi martin__ 
14:14 < rxr> scythe_: your architecture name is s390 ?
14:15 < martin__> rxr: what about opengl support at an ibook?
14:15 < scythe_> rxr: yes, and the zSeries will be s390x, as in the kernel
14:20 < rxr> martin__: working - you need to build some packages - or wait for my binaries ...
14:37 < scythe_> rxr: do U think i should create a target/bootdisk/s390 for making IPL tapes? there's of course no cdrom in these machines...
14:38 < rxr> scythe_: sure the ROCK Linux kit should be able to create the boot/loadable images needed
14:38 < rxr> scythe_: please send the patches in tiny chunks to the list - e.g. if you finished some packages or architecture definitoins, send them in
14:38 < rxr> it is much easier to review tiny modifications insteat one big "this patch does all" mail
14:40 < scythe_> rxr: i'll send it in in separate emails to the list. B1 mail for architectures, 1 for every package... But i need more time, the builds are going extremly slow...
14:45 < scythe_> i'll be back in 2 min, i just have to umount a part...
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14:55 < scythe_> hi again
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15:03 < scythe_> rxr: we talked about different kernels and patches a time ago, which are arch dependent.
15:04 < scythe_> rxr: what if i create this kernel patch-set as a package? it should also include the current kernel version
15:09 < rxr> if there are really many patches needed this is (currently) the way to go
15:09 < rxr> se package/powerpc/linux24benh for an exmaple
15:10 < rxr> (a special Macintosh hardware support kernel which is always ahead of the vanilla tree ...)
15:11 < scythe_> rxr: i saw that, it gave me the idea ;-) Another thing, what's with OCO modules?
15:13 < scythe_> rxr: as i see now, currently there is only 1 oco relevant, the 3590 tape driver module. It is not that important, can be freely downloaded, and not GPL, but free to use and distribute.
15:15 < rxr> as long as it possible to reditribute it - use the correct [L] tag and it is ok ..
15:15 * rxr shortly away ...
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15:49 < martin_> re again
15:50 < mnemoc> re martin_ 
16:35 < rxr> re
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16:44 < mnemoc> re rxr
16:44 < mnemoc> i'll _try_ to add comments to new .patch files i send :(
16:46 < mnemoc> samba-3.0.0
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17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: thanks
17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - noticed samba, too
17:03 < rxr> would you update it - or should I ?
17:04 < mnemoc> i'm patching download to try direct if not at mirror
17:04 < mnemoc> you are free to do it *G*
17:07 < scythe_> I know this will sound rediculus, but my tar is falling asleep ;-) - eg tar process in build-pkg goes into sleep and waits forever. Any clues?
17:07 < mnemoc> reboot :)
17:07 < scythe_> mnemoc: arch: s390
17:08 < rxr> scythe_: SMP also noticed this on your (?) s390
17:08 < rxr> scythe_: he worked arround by using --with-compression-program or so
17:08 < scythe_> rxr: i noticed the same at home on hercules
17:08 < rxr> could you test if this works ?
17:08 < rxr> hercules is what ?
17:08 < scythe_> emulator
17:08 < rxr> emulator for ?
17:09 < scythe_> arch - hercules is a mainframe emulator on linux x86 and win32
17:09 < scythe_> it runs deb390 perfectly.
17:09 < SMP> hi
17:09 < scythe_> hi SMP
17:10 < rxr> so you notice the same problem when running ROCK Linux builds for x390 inside this jhercules ?
17:10 < rxr> hi SMP 
17:10 < SMP> scythe_: I wanted to mail you because of this, but I though you'd figure it out on your own ;)
17:10 < scythe_> rxr: yes, and on the same version of debian
17:10 < scythe_> SMP: i did...
17:10 < SMP> good
17:10 < rxr> scythe_: please try variations like --with-compression-program=bzip2
17:11 < SMP> no no
17:11 < scythe_> SMP: and tar with all the same parameters works perfectly by hand
17:11 < rxr> or bunzip2 -c file | tar ?
17:11 < SMP> no, --with-compress-program is what is broken
17:11 < scythe_> i dont see what is the problem with the script (?), or maybe a buggy version of tar in debian?
17:11 < rxr> this is definetely a bug inside something of this debian 
17:12 < scythe_> --with-compress-program works in a shell
17:12 < rxr> scythe_: yes buggy tar, libc or kernel
17:12 < scythe_> i think it's not the kernel. maybe libbz2-dev ?
17:12 < SMP> no.
17:12 < scythe_> or libbz2 i mean.
17:12 < scythe_> then?
17:13 < SMP> bzip2 does not use libbz2
17:13 < scythe_> i didn't know that.
17:13 < SMP> same as rsync doesn't use librsync ;)
17:14 < scythe_> what shall i do? change tar?
17:15 < SMP> no, modify Build-Pkg to use the short option (maybe 'y') instead of "--use-compress-program=bzip2"
17:15 < scythe_> ok
17:15 < SMP> the short one worked for me in a shell, the long one not
17:16 < scythe_> the long one worked for in a shell
17:16 < SMP> can you try the short one in a shell if you haven't yet?
17:16 < scythe_> i can, but th long worked for me too
17:16 < SMP> I don't have a working /usr/bin/ssh at the moment ;-) otherwise I'd take a look myself
17:18 < SMP> the way opensc installes its PAM stuff is completely broken - and that stupid /lib/*.a > /usr/lib/ sh*t only makes it worse
17:19 < scythe_> SMP: it worked prefectly with the long opt in a shell. besides, it could compres a .gz into a .bz2 and it is using the same --use-compress-program parameter....
17:20 < SMP> I know for sure that I managed to create a hung tar myself. it's even in the irclog ;)
17:21 < scythe_> it looks like it hangs only in the build script, not in the shell. Using the same parameters works in a shell
17:21 < scythe_> Any suggestions?
17:22 < scythe_> I think this is not an architecture dependent problem, or is it...
17:24 < SMP> I'll be on apollo as soon as I won the fight with libtool for a working ssh binary
17:25 < netrunner> wow, my vim suddenly has .desc highlighting :)
17:25 < scythe_> U should use the make lightning_gun and kill the main_boss with -9 ;)
17:25 < scythe_> .... i mean for SMP....
17:28 < netrunner> argl, shouldnt submit patches while having fever ... was already on the list :(
17:29 < netrunner> SMP: that apollo is parisc?
17:30 < scythe_> netrunner: s390, but u should tell if tar hangs on a parisc too...
17:31 < scythe_> netrunner: u thought on a pa710-715 or such? that was codenamed apollo
17:32 < rxr> netrunner: I added hppa hppa64 - but currently it fails to cross-compile
17:33 < rxr> netrunner: do you have the hppa box permanetly ?
17:33 < netrunner> scythe_: I have a hp B132L here which is parisc ... bought a dvi->vga adapter only to discover that this isn't a dvi out but evc :/
17:33 < netrunner> rxr: yes. but yet not connected (fever/wrong adapter)
17:35 < netrunner> I discovered that hp is still updating the support site for that box, so must be something really expensive or cool :)
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17:35 < scythe_> netrunner: i have access to a codenamed apollo hppa, and i installed deb on it. But it's only 50 mhz and works only in framebuffer mode in 1280x1024....
17:35 < rxr> netrunner: bought - or a free for development ?
17:37 < netrunner> rxr: it's mine, ok? :)
17:37 < netrunner> rxr: I can do whatever I want with it, and that is certainly putting rock on it at some point.
17:39 < scythe_> netrunner: what is currently on it, hpux?
17:40 < netrunner> scythe_: yes. ... I must admit I haven't booted it yet, made no sense to me without monitor connected. first I have to get the right adapter
17:40 < scythe_> do u have a serial console? i think it shall work on it too...
17:41 < netrunner> scythe_: it has a serial port, yes.
17:42 < scythe_> netrunner: i meant do u have a console? a vt100 from dev for example...
17:43 < netrunner> scythe_: you mean local? I didn't power it on yet. 
17:44 < scythe_> netrunner: i mean do u have a hardware console, a terminal a monitor like thingie with a keyboard plugged in it a serial cable out of it.... :-))
17:45 < netrunner> scythe_: ah ... no. I always did this with a serial cable and minicom.
17:45 < scythe_> netrunner: that should work the same
17:45 < netrunner> scythe_: if it gives a console to serial by default ...
17:45 < scythe_> netrunner: if u've got luck, the firmware on the hppa will respond after ipling on the serial port too...
17:47 < scythe_> netrunner: the hpux can do that, but it will not be configured like that by default, but the firmware (bios) may respond, and u can give a tftp server to download a bootimage of linux - theoritically....
17:47 < netrunner> scythe_: I'll try when I feel better. maybe I'll also find the right adapter for that evc thing.
17:48 * netrunner back to bed, head feels like beaten by a baseball bat :(
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17:56 < fake> hi
17:57 < Lorini> hi
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18:02 < scythe_> rxr: there's a hercules pkg, and clifford is its maintainer
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18:14 < mnemoc> rxr: svn corrupted
18:14 < mnemoc> svn: Berkeley DB error
18:14 < mnemoc> svn: Berkeley DB error while beginning Berkeley DB transaction for filesystem /home/svn/rock-linux/db:
18:14 < mnemoc> DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
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18:15 < rxr> mnemoc: fixed
18:17 < fake> huh?
18:17 < rxr> fake: yes ?
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18:27 < fake> database errir _!
18:27 < fake> error ?!
18:30 < rxr> this was only a locking problem - the database was locked ....
18:30 < rxr> but subversion sees a locked db as error ...
18:34 < scythe_> can i disable pkgs and targets on a arch?
18:36 < rxr> not targets - but packages
18:36 < rxr> what do you want to disable ?
18:36 < scythe_> rxr: most of graphic packages will not compile
18:37 < scythe_> rxr: no vga card...
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18:37 < scythe_> rxr: and drock will not have sense on this arch...
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18:39 < rxr> scythe_: this does not matter it is a valid target
18:39 < rxr> scythe_: aeh? this is not the ROCK way
18:39 < scythe_> rxr: true, but nobody will try to compile it ;-)
18:39 < rxr> first the packages will (most probably) compile
18:40 < scythe_> rxr: the only xserver u can use is Xvnc
18:40 < mnemoc> [R] - s360
18:40 < rxr> second: one might want to run some fat simluation on such a big box and visulize stuff with gtk or qt
18:41 < rxr> the [R] tag is to flag whether a package will compile and so on - not if it is useful
18:41 < scythe_> rxr: i am currently using vnc on the big box - the problems are the other window managers
18:41 < rxr> you can recommend to use a server target for s390 or soem special package selection template
18:41 < scythe_> rxr: i've got no problems with standard x over tcp
18:42 < rxr> or ssh -X
18:42 < scythe_> that works too
18:42 < scythe_> i just dont think compiling packages that u can never use are sane
18:42 < rxr> or one might want to do DTP or CAD on such a memory intensive box ...
18:42 < scythe_> for example u can never use gpm on s390, but debian gives it as default
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18:43 < scythe_> - no, the cpu is tooooo slow for that
18:43 < scythe_> but see framebuffer or vga or gpm or serial tools
18:43 < scythe_> u cant use any of those
18:44 < rxr> the only valid pkg for [R] - s390 I see so far is gpm
18:44 < scythe_> i dont know what packages do u have - i just saw all this in debian390 - i am still laughing
18:45 < mnemoc> remote access to s390 can have almost everything
18:45 < scythe_> no offense, just we should not make the same problem with mc for example
18:45 < scythe_> mnemoc: it good for remote, nothing for local
18:46 < mnemoc> but if you want it for remote you need it installed locally :)
18:46 < scythe_> u've got only a dump emulation, line mode terminal with a tape device for that...
18:47 < scythe_> the linux install for 390 does the same thing in the local part: setup networking
18:47 < rxr> scythe_: what is with mc ?
18:47 < scythe_> all of them (suse, redhat, debian does this)
18:47 < scythe_> midnight commander - like nc on DOS or FAR on Win32
18:48 < rxr> yes - but what is the problem with s390 ?
18:48 < scythe_> it's a must have file manager
18:48 < scythe_> u don't have an mc pkg?
18:48 < rxr> yes - we have
18:48 < rxr> 18:45 < scythe_> no offense, just we should not make the same problem with mc
18:48 < rxr>                  for example
18:48 < scythe_> than start using it ;-)
18:48 < rxr> ^- what did you wanted to say with it
18:48 < scythe_> oh, u mean that:
18:48 * rxr uses mc occationally ...
18:49 * scythe_ should shut up...
18:49 < scythe_> so: deb compiles all of the pkgs with the same config on all arch.
18:49 < scythe_> they compiled mc with gpm support on 390
18:49 < scythe_> when u simply start mc on a deb390 it seg faults
18:50 < rxr> ah I see ... (I hate gpm support in mc anyway ...)
18:50 < mnemoc> <rxr> the only valid pkg for [R] - s390 I see so far is gpm
18:50 < scythe_> u have to use -d to disable gpm support
18:50 < scythe_> i hate gpm at all
18:50 < rxr> anyway scythe_ if you want to narrow the package selection on s390 use a package selection template named s390 or so
18:51 < scythe_> mnemoc: all XFREE-s are valid for R - too, except Xvnc
18:51 < rxr> only flag pacakge with [R] - s390 if the package really does not compile
18:51 < rxr> scythe_: then you could not build the X applications since they need the X header files ...
18:51 < scythe_> rxr: the headers shoud be in a different pkg, no?
18:51 < mnemoc> if you don't _like_ a package in an arch do a template
18:52 < rxr> (maybe we should / could seperate the xfree86 pacakge into xfree86 and xfree86-header xfree86-libs and xfree86-bin ...
18:52 < mnemoc> nooooooooooooooooo..... =(
18:52 < scythe_> i like X, just no Xserver will compile without a graphic card (save Xvnc)
18:53 < rxr> but for ssh -X you need xauth - wich leaves you with all xfree packages (if we split them) or the whole xfree86 package (if we do not split it)
18:53 < rxr> vnc is not part of xfree86 - it is a seperate package ...
18:54 < mnemoc> rxr: better that multi package can be 'named regexp' support for filtering what is installed
18:54 < scythe_> ok, i'll not flag anything without testing if it compiles, i give my word :-)
18:54 < scythe_> i know, it just the only xserver that works on tihs arch.
18:56 < scythe_> speaking of flags, why isn't intel-rng [R] + x86?
19:00 < rxr> doen't now - it seems to compile on other arches too - it just takes random number out of the kernel and analyses them - and put's them back
19:01 < rxr> there might be other arches with built-in rng support in the next time - and the thing get's renamed s/intel-/linux-/ ;-)  ?
19:01 < scythe_> it just compiles, or works too?
19:01 < scythe_> i'll test it on this box...
19:01 < rxr> it guess it will also work if you have a hardware-number-gernation char-device on the box - but most have not ...
19:04 < scythe_> like /dev/random and /dev/urandom?
19:08 < mnemoc> wow.. samba3.0.0 builds without modification of pkg config =)
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20:02 < frikkalikka> knock knock!!
20:03 < frikkalikka> having still some troubles installing ROCK
20:04 < frikkalikka> why can't scripts/Build-Target find /usr/bin/mktemp ?
20:06 < mnemoc> linuxver scripts gets confused when there are more than one ^EXTRAVERSION line, and patches like rsbac add a second making the sc
20:06 < mnemoc> oops
20:06 < mnemoc> frikkalikka: what do you think you are trying to do with that line?
20:08 < frikkalikka> ???
20:09 < frikkalikka> mnemoc: what do u mean?
20:09 < mnemoc> <frikkalikka> why can't scripts/Build-Target find /usr/bin/mktemp ? <--- what is that?
20:09 < frikkalikka> mmmm
20:09 < frikkalikka> a question mark
20:09 < mnemoc> o_O
20:09 < mnemoc> scripts/Build-Target find /usr/bin/mktemp <--- that
20:10 < frikkalikka> maybe you code it differently 
20:10 < frikkalikka> i just see a question mark
20:10 < mnemoc> what do you want to do
20:10 < frikkalikka> ooooh
20:11 < frikkalikka> i want to cross install rock
20:11 < frikkalikka> but the scripts/Build-Target stop executing immediately
20:11 < mnemoc> Build-Target is for compiling a config not for installing
20:12 < mnemoc> that line is NOT valid
20:12 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Build-Target [ -cfg <config> ] [ -job stage-package ]
20:12 < frikkalikka> yeah but i have to build before  installing
20:12 < mnemoc> thats the only things you can do with that script
20:13 < mnemoc> of course you have to build but you can't with that line
20:13 < frikkalikka> mmmm
20:13 < frikkalikka> maybe i've understood
20:13 < frikkalikka> the misunderstanding
20:13 < mnemoc> first create a config: ./scripts/Config [ -cfg <config_name> ]
20:14 < frikkalikka> this is what i write on the keyboard
20:14 < mnemoc> if you don't give a config_name, it's named 'default'
20:14 * mnemoc waiting....
20:14 < frikkalikka> $/scripts/Build-Target
20:15 < frikkalikka> and the output is
20:15 < frikkalikka> Paranoia Check: mktemp not found or too old
20:15 < mnemoc> you *need* to run Config first, and it is ./scripts not /scripts
20:15 < frikkalikka> i've run it
20:15 < mnemoc> ok
20:16 < frikkalikka> **** /Config and /Download
20:16 < mnemoc> you need to update your mktemp first
20:16 < frikkalikka> but i don't think it's too old 
20:16 < mnemoc> but it is
20:17 < frikkalikka> ok 
20:17 < frikkalikka> trying uploading
20:17 < frikkalikka> ....
20:17 * frikkalikka is away: I'm busy
20:17 < mnemoc> # mktemp -V
20:17 < mnemoc> mktemp version 1.5
20:18 < mnemoc> if you 'Download' you have last mktemp tarball at ./download/base/mktemp/mktemp-1.5.tar.bz2
20:19 < frikkalikka> :)
20:19 < mnemoc> so untar it and make all install
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20:22 < frikkalikka> i think i've misused /Dowload
20:23 < frikkalikka> some tar.bz2 files haven't been downloaded
20:23 < frikkalikka> i.e. mktemp 
20:24 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download -package mktemp
20:24 < frikkalikka> when i type -required
20:24 < mnemoc> -required depends of your config
20:24 < frikkalikka> where does the script go to read the list
20:24 < frikkalikka> ?
20:24 < frikkalikka> which file?
20:24 < mnemoc> config/<config_name>/packages
20:25 < mnemoc> ^X are downloaded, ^O not
20:25 < frikkalikka> ok
20:25 < frikkalikka> tnx
20:25 < mnemoc> np
20:27 < mnemoc> Robert Palmer dies??? =\
20:32 < Freak> just heard that, too
20:54 < tcr> moin all
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20:58 < LocalHero> Hi all
21:00 < mnemoc> moin tcr, LocalHero 
21:01 < frikkalikka> ;) now it's working :)
21:02 < frikkalikka> my Build-Target and my stomach with a pizza inside
21:02 < frikkalikka> :P
21:06 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
21:06 < rxr> hi tcr
21:06 < LocalHero> rxr, hi. Whazzup?
21:08 < rxr> oh - all well
21:08 < rxr> and on your side ?
21:09 < LocalHero> rxr, im fine, i have had 3 very hard weeks in school and now finaly its weekend and i have nothing to do :)
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21:14 < tcr> hi mnemoc, rxr and LocalHero
21:14 < LocalHero> tcr, hi :)
21:15 < tcr> Delphi respectively Kylix seems to suck big ass
21:15 < rxr> LocalHero: hehe - so you want to continue the iso site prettify-ing ?
21:15 < rxr> tcr: hehe ;-)
21:15 < rxr> today's changelog is huge
21:15 < tcr> an IDE (or whatever delphi is called) should not get into the way of the programmer
21:15 < LocalHero> rxr,, well now when im finaly are free. Well, why not :)
21:16 < rxr> LocalHero: ;-) only if it is fun for you - it is not that urgent ;-)
21:16 < tcr> What's the fucking reason for _forcing_ me to use the mouse every 5 seconds?
21:16 < tcr> if I just do changes on the source code, the fucking programm ain't able to keep track on my changes
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21:22 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe the pending extraversion patch can be written in such a way that duplicate EXTRAVER lines are prevented? This way we do not need the lvm patch ?
21:23 < LocalHero> rxr, I do think its fun :)
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21:36 * fake drinking wine with owl ;)
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21:42 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't know how to do that with sed :(
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21:44 < Lur> hi
21:44 < Lur> how do i format my rh9 hd
21:44 < mnemoc> fake: i have an extression, the first match has to be rewritten but the rest shall be removed. do you know how to do that with sed?
21:45 < mnemoc> s/extression/expression/
21:45 < Lur> hi
21:45 < mnemoc> hi Lur 
21:45 < Lur> how do i format my rh9 hd
21:45 < fake> mnemoc: brackets and referencing them with \1 ?
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21:46 < nookie> gnah, damn isp
21:46 < tcr> Lur: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/discs/discX
21:46 < Lur> wow
21:46 < Lur> big command
21:46 < Lur> i want nothing left on it
21:46 < Lur> DEAD
21:46 < Lur> that will do it
21:47 < fake> Lur: c:\dos\format.exe
21:47 < Lur> im puttin 98 from a 8 gig hd to that
21:47 < Lur> um
21:47 < fake> ;)
21:47 < Lur> im talkin linux ere
21:47 < tcr> Why, what are you gonna do anyway
21:47 < Lur> put 98 on that hd (4 gig) and slack on the 8 gig
21:47 < Lur> im gettin a hand me down p2
21:48 < Lur> ill tourcher 98 on such a small amount of space
21:48 < tcr> And why do you want the data to be overwritten?
21:48 < fake> 98 should fit into < 300 MB
21:48 < Lur> oh
21:48 < Lur> well i wanna kill that hd
21:49 < fake> then burn it
21:49 < fake> or give it to a woman
21:49 < Lur> hmm an idea
21:49 < fake> *eg*
21:49 < tcr> or use an magnet
21:49 < Lur> ya i was gonna
21:49 < scythe_> shot it i tell you, shot it!
21:49 < fake> or two!
21:49 < Lur> but then i found out that will render it useless
21:50 < Lur> i need it to live another few years
21:51 * fake joins #slackware to ask them
21:51 < Lur> any idea
21:52 < scythe_> rather call 1-800-MICROSOFT
21:52 < Lur> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1-800-MICROSOFT
21:52 < Lur> NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
21:52 < Lur> i was banned from a windows channel
21:52 < scythe_> 98's fdisk tool can delete unknown partitions. use it
21:52 < Lur> lol
21:53 < Lur> i might
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21:53 < Lur> i just put a staple gun to a floppy
21:53 * fake wonders wether Lur i aware of what rocklinux is
21:53 < fake> is*
21:53 < Lur> nope
21:53 < Lur> no idea
21:53 < Lur> i like rock
21:53 < Lur> and i like linux
21:53 < scythe_> it's flintstone's distrib
21:53 < fake> .me begs for mercy
21:54 < scythe_> (the guys at #imp told me, i liked it)
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21:54 * fake 3v1l
21:55 * scythe_ was beginning to enjoy this...
21:55 * owl_ will forward some calls fo lusers to scythe_ 
21:55 < fake> hehe
21:55 < scythe_> thx owl
21:56 < fake> call for lusers? that's like a call for papers in the joint-routing protocol?
21:56 < owl_> *cough* calls from/by/whatever lusers...
21:57 < scythe_> "how can i install win31 onto a sparc?"
21:59 < LocalHero> scythe_ try dosbox.. dosbox.sourceforge.net
21:59 < fake> i could write a rolling rock article: how to install red hat 9
21:59 < rxr> mnemoc: there is a good book sed & awk
22:00 < scythe_> localhero: will dosbox work on non x86? - i am really interested in cross arch things
22:00 < owl_> *g* in a course there is a "how to use a mouse"... 
22:00 < LocalHero> scythe_,  hmm, i dont know if its a real emulator or just a fix thing, take a look at their homepage :)
22:00 < scythe_> localhero: i am running vmware on 2000, linux x86 in vmware, hercules in that linux and linux 390 in that hercules
22:01 < LocalHero> scythe_,  hehe, sounds interesting :)
22:01 * SMP wonders what Aerosmith were thinking when they sung ``I love you 'cause your deuces are wild, girl´´
22:01 < scythe_> localhero: and pose (!!!) is working in that hercules, finally i got the speed of a pda...
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22:02 < LocalHero> scythe_,  LOL
22:02 < fake> SMP: s/deuces/juices/
22:02 < scythe_> localhero: yup, this is really useful ;-)
22:03 < SMP> fake: not really ;)
22:03 < LocalHero> scythe_,  Sometimes you wounder. I played civilization 1 some days ago on my duron 1200mhz computer, i almost got the right framerate :)... Then you remember that when you played civ 1 the last time the computer was a 486 and the fps where actually higher. then you start to think about what good the evolution has brought us
22:04 < scythe_> localhero: civ3 ;-((((
22:04 < scythe_> localhero: and freeciv :-))))
22:06 < LocalHero> scythe_,  freeciv is nice, we are actually playing one day turns right now. Very funny, it takes a while to get out of stoneage. I think that civ1 is the best thugh. I love it when a building is built on the screen. And there are no palace building thing in freeciv
22:08 < scythe_> localhero: i am playing medieval: total war nowdays. i like it almost i liked street rod...
22:18 < SMP> scythe_: any news on the tar prob.?
22:19 < scythe_> SMP: nope, i have other problems with the corporate proxy, sorry...
22:19 < scythe_> SMP: but i'll be on it as soon as i can
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22:20 < SMP> scythe_: I didn't mean to push - take your time whenever you want
22:21 < scythe_> SMP: it's not pushing, i am getting fustrated about this tar ;-)
22:21 < SMP> anyone here know 'Robbie Williams & Nicole Kidman-Something Stupid' - is it a Cha-Cha? ;)
22:21 * rxr fixing emacs for ppc ....
22:22 < tcr> I'm gonna sleep. gn8 all
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22:27 < LocalHero> hmm, how can you do a division in bash and get the result like a float instead of an int?
22:27 < rxr> maybe not at all (just a guess)
22:28 < LocalHero> rxr,, hehe oki :)
22:29 < scythe_> rxr: usbutils would be R - 390 along with gpm, ok?
22:29 < scythe_> rxr: (i mean later...)
22:29 < rxr> hm - they do not compile ?
22:30 < scythe_> may they do - for what can u use them?
22:30 < LocalHero> Wow, my backup script realy rocks :)
22:31 < LocalHero> Im proud. I thought that i should learn bash so i started to make a backup script for server backups. Now its realy nice :)
22:31 < rxr> scythe_: I thought you did not wanted to disable compiling packages
22:32 < rxr> please create a s390 package selection template with the packages you want to disable - the R tag is for not compileable 
22:32 < scythe_> rxr: ok, just telling about another useless package on the arch...
22:32 * rxr wonderland is just the matrix
22:33 < rxr> ok ok
22:33 < scythe_> rxr: as soon as i get on with f*cking tar
22:33 < rxr> ^- Ten without P
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22:37 < scythe_> enough for today... be back as soon as possible 
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22:43 < LocalHero> Got to go, cya all
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22:45 * SMP using /usr/src/rock-src-1.5.20-stefanp .. scary
22:53 < SMP> hehe
22:54 < SMP> )$ ( echo from ; echo Arch ) | grep -Ff- /var/adm/packages/00-dirtree
22:54 < SMP> ROCK Linux Version and Architecture: 1.5.20-stefanp ia32
22:54 < SMP> Build [1] at 09/26/2002 from 04:48:15 to 04:48:15 CEST
22:54 < SMP> exactly one year old
22:59 < rxr> ou:
22:59 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 500      users     4505672 Apr  7 22:56 samba-2.2.8a.tar.bz2
22:59 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 500      users     9848974 Sep 26  2003 samba-3.0.0.tar.bz2
23:01 < rxr> and ooops2: the clock on the rs6k was not set :-(
23:01 < rxr> fixed
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23:06 < rxr> hi johnp 
23:07 < daja77> re
23:08 < rxr> hi daja77 
23:08 < daja77> hi rxr :)
23:09 < johnp> just looking - never seen this linux before
23:11 * fake brb
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23:12 < fake> re *g*
23:12 < owl_> fake: *kick*
23:13 < fake> harf, now my leg hurts
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23:14 < daja77> just a short glance i guess
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23:29 < rxr> jsaw_: I think you schedule GNOME 2.4 for post 2.0.0-rc2 ?
23:30 < daja77> rc2?
23:30 < rxr> yes, what is wrong with it ?
23:30 < daja77> nothing err counter decreased to 29 this morning
23:30 < Lorini> MAOAM
23:31 < Lorini> ui, sorry
23:31 < daja77> Lorini: haha!
23:31 < rxr> daja77: error counter of what exaclty ?
23:31 < daja77> broken packages
23:32 < owl_> .oO(is rpm one of them?)
23:32 < SMP> stupid xemacs d/l takes ages ... I want to go ...
23:32 < daja77> think so, but that doesn't bother me much
23:33 < jsaw_> rxr: I can send GNOME 2.4, but the build order is definitely broken.
23:33 < rxr> daja77: well - I thought this - which target ?
23:33 < owl_> hrm. k. thx... 8at least it failed here with current head ... some minutes ago. *sigh*
23:33 < daja77> generic
23:33 < rxr> jsaw_: does each package build when executed seperately ?
23:33 < daja77> owl_: but openbox fails ...
23:35 < jsaw_> rxr: around 150 of 161 are building fine
23:35 < owl_> daja77: duno. i'm even not subscribed to RLML anymore
23:35 < SMP> *1*6*1* ?!
23:36 < daja77> hmm but there is still an owl repo ...
23:36 * fake playing with nas
23:36 < owl_> not my business
23:37 < owl_> the fixes i sent once weren't applied... (and they wortekd) so. why should i spend any fruther time on this?
23:37 < SMP> rxr: are you really serious with package/gnome2/svn* ?
23:38 < daja77> owl_: do you really expect an anwser for that
23:38 < rxr> owl_: wow - disabling the NLS parts - a really _nice_ "fix"
23:38 < owl_> at least it works.
23:38 * SMP bbl
23:38 < owl_> but - as mentioned above - not my business anymore
23:39 < daja77> works not this is broken
23:39 < rxr> SMP: nope it should not be there ...
23:40 < owl_> ...
23:40 < daja77> owl_: you have a strange definition of "works"
23:40 < owl_> ...
23:40 < rxr> oh - cool - maybe I fixed x86_64 compilation a bit ...
23:40 < daja77> cool
23:43 < rxr> ok - me off reading a bit
23:44 < daja77> have fun
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