--- Log opened Thu Oct 02 00:00:33 2003
00:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I remove the current lib/*.{a,.la} -> usr/lib
00:12 < rxr> code in favour of a new postflist magic
00:12 < rxr> this does not need patching libtool or packages that do touch files after installation - and there I can fix the .la files to include the correct new dir
00:13 < rxr> otherwise libtool* fails to like code with the .a libraries since it still tries to pick them up in /lib ...
00:13 < rxr> (as hardcoded in the .la files)
00:13 < rxr> any comments
00:15 < SMP> *YES*
00:16 < rxr> SMP: ACK or NACH ?
00:16 < rxr> NACK even ...
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00:18 < SMP> well, it's still a _far_ too general solution, but non as kludgy as the current 'solution'
00:18 < A-Tui> hi
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00:20 < esden> argh I see workloads waiting on me ... there are another packets updated where I need to check if dietlibc target is ok with that >_<
00:20 < esden> *sigh*
00:21 * rxr preparing to leave for bed ...
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00:39 < rxr> n8 - cu
00:45 < esden> n8 rxr 
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02:50 < tfing> hi
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03:20 < rolla> re
03:40 < jsaw_> re
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03:40 < jsaw> hi rolla 
04:53 < _spectre_> n8
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06:57 < Mike1> eule...
07:11 < jsaw_> hi Mike1 
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07:18 < Mike1> guten morgen jsaw :)
08:06 < jsaw> Mike1: Dankeschoen, Dir auch!
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08:33 < jsaw> rxr: finally I have directfb compiled ... uh, terrible hack. Reason: i2c doesn't use #ifdef __KERNEL__ for internal structures.
09:10 < rxr> 11re
09:10 < rxr> jsaw: ah - cool
09:10 < rxr> uhm - I should be in the uni ...
09:13 < blindcoder> good morning *yawn*
09:15 < Mike1> hi blindy
09:15 < rxr> cu
09:17 < blindcoder> bye rxr
09:18 < blindcoder> ah, it sure feels good to sleep long during paid extra vacation :)
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09:22 < Mike1> nookie
09:23 < blindcoder> nookie! where have your 0's gone?
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09:26 < hopelessOwl> moin
09:26 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:26 < hopelessOwl> hi blindy
09:27 < hopelessOwl> <- feels like eaten a frog in the morning *cough*
09:27 * blindcoder hands owly some toothpaste and a brush
09:28 * blindcoder updating his tree to HEAD
09:28 < hopelessOwl> *lol* thx. a cough drop, and medicine against sore throat would be more nice 
09:28 * hopelessOwl doing the same as blindcoder
09:29 < blindcoder> yeah, something against a sore throat would be nice...
09:29 < blindcoder> for x in `seq 1576 1582` ; do svn diff -r $((x - 1)):${x} http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux >${x}.patch ; done
09:29 < blindcoder> :)
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10:51 < Mike1> re.
11:00 < hopelessOwl> hi Mike1 
11:05 < Mike1> owly! great to see you :)
11:16 < hopelessOwl> dito
11:26 < hopelessOwl> how are you, Miguel?
11:29 < Mike1> doing good thanks
11:29 < Mike1> Eule will you be at 20c3?
11:30 < Mike1> and how are you ?
11:33 < SMP> Moin all - and hi Mike1!
11:34 < Mike1> hello SMP :)
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11:49 < hopelessOwl> Mike1: don't think that i will be there... no money and so... i'm - hm. - more or less alive. thx
11:50 < Mike1> oh thats a shame i was willing to meet you 
11:53 < hopelessOwl> :-(
11:54 < hopelessOwl> hm. but - are you mobile? and how long will you stay in .de?
11:54 < Mike1> for one week or so
11:55 < Mike1> will be at 20c3, and spend new years eve in berlin.. then might go to frankfurt and or augsburg
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12:20 < hopelessOwl> kewl. you could go to augsburg and then we could meet... because my hometown is not really far away from augsburg
12:21 < th> oh hi Mike1 
12:21 < th> re all
12:21 < hopelessOwl> hi th
12:22 < th> moin owl
12:22 < th> ...et al
12:23 < Mike1> greetings Tobias.
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12:49 < Mike1> n8 all
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12:50 < fake> mornin'
12:53 < daja77> moin
12:53 < hopelessOwl> moin fake 
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13:46 < fake> postfix update.. creepy...
13:51 < fake> *phew*
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14:09 < Lorini> moin
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14:14 < tcr> moin all
14:14 < tcr> Any gnome user here?
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14:22 < tcr> moin clifford. You don't happen to be a gnome user, do you?
14:23 < clifford> not anymore. I'm running my terminals in kde now..  ;-)
14:25 < tcr> Hum, I'm looking for someone having installed gnome-utils because I want to know what libraries gDict (which is unfortunately a part of gnome-utils and not an independant package anymore) depends on
14:25 < tcr> I suppose there's a #gnome channel on this network anyway
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14:35 < fake> hi clifford 
14:38 < rolla> rde
14:39 < clifford> hi.
14:43 < nookie> Hi clifford 
14:54 < esden> hi all
14:54 < esden> hi clifford 
15:09 < clifford> SMP: I'm still waiting for your feedback on my rocknet proposal...
15:10 < SMP> yeah.
15:14 < clifford> so - when do I get it?  ;-)
15:16 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
15:18 < tcr> clifford, apropos: what do you think about making the language of your proposal not a language for a interpreter but for a processor?
15:18 < tcr> So there'll be a programm translating it into a bunch of shellscripts
15:20 < tcr> advantages: a) it'll be faster, b) you don't have to care so much about writing code for debugging and error handling and such stuff, c) users can get help from anywhere (and not just from people who know the interpreter)
15:28 < clifford> tcr: my proposal doesn't cover implementation at all.
15:29 < clifford> my plan has been to implement all keywords described in the proposal as shell functions and dot-include the config file.
15:29 < clifford> the definitions of those shell functions could be stored in multiple files in seperate directory and are included using wildcards
15:29 < tcr> Ah, that's good
15:30 < clifford> so a package such as iptables can simply drop a file there and so define new keywords for the network configuration.
15:32 < tcr> Yeah, but it'll especially keep the whole thing more flexible. So an iptables package can define 'deny' so, while ipchain would define it differently (iptables/ipchain: just an example, not the best one I admit)
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16:52 < daja77> ringo!
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17:00 < ragrag> having compiled my rock-linux with ./scripts/Build-Target and running ./scripts/Create-ISO rock-linux -mkdebug bootable i get the following error:mkisofs: Error: 'build/default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium3-32-minimal-expert/packages.db' and 'build/default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium3-32-minimal-expert/packages.db' have the same Rock Ridge name 'packages.db'.
17:00 < ragrag> mkisofs: Unable to sort directory 2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium3-32-minimal-expert
17:00 < ragrag> .any idea what's wrong?
17:02 < fake> you have to build one bootdisk/install target and one target you wish to install 
17:02 < fake> see Documentation
17:03 < ragrag> ?i don't really get what you mean.where in the Documentation.and which command would i have to invoke?
17:05 < ragrag> i know it's a stupid question but i couldn't really find a hint reading the docs
17:12 < ragrag> the documentation says: ./scripts/Create-ISO rock-cd -size 700 -mkdebug bootdisk athlon pentium4 generic will e.g. create a bootable iso.imho my command is similar.but why doesn't is work?
17:17 < ragrag> ok.found my error.bye
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17:29 < fake> ;)
17:29 * fake playing cat-and-mouse with apache
17:29 < fake> anyone here into SSL/Apache2?
17:38 < rolla> :)
17:38 < rolla> I might be
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17:58 < fake> ah. okay... got it.
17:58 < fake> thanks anyways, rolla
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18:27 < netrunner> hi *
18:29 < Lorini> hi netrunner
18:29 < esden> re hi all
18:30 < dennis> lo esden 
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18:32 < netrunner> hi esden, what was that about the bachelorthesis?
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18:42 < netrunne1> re  (damn t-disconnect)
18:43 < Lorini> wb
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18:49 < netrunne1> hm ... how can I remove one server connection in irssii? I seem to have 2 to freenode ...
18:51 < dennis>  /disconnect
18:51 < dennis> to change on the server you want to close type ctrl+x
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18:52 < netrunner> dennis: thx :)
18:52 < dennis> np
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20:17 < netrunner> re. or does anybody know a method to update my group id without restarting the whole screen?
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20:52 < owl> moin
20:55 < dennis> hey owl
20:57 < owl> hi dennis 
21:03 < blindcoder> *yawn*
21:03 * blindcoder getting sleepy...
21:06 * owl looking amused to her "bettelnden hamster" ;p
21:06 < blindcoder> begging rodent :)
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21:08 < owl> hm?
21:08 < esden> poor rodent ...
21:08 < blindcoder> yeah
21:08 * blindcoder watching "Voices of a distant Star"
21:08 < esden> blindcoder: what do you think we should rescue him from the evil owl ... don't you think?
21:08 < blindcoder> Nah, I just had dinner...
21:09 < esden> hmm ... for tomorrow ... when we do not kill him now he will be still fresh for the breakfast
21:09 < owl> *lol* hi esden. don't think so, guess my bird, my hamster and the most of the horses like me (oh, forgot, they're not human)
21:09 < owl> esden: *kick*
21:10 < blindcoder> hmm.. tomorrow I'll be in Aschaffenburg...
21:10 < blindcoder> guess we should keep it at owl's so she can feed him until we need him
21:10 < owl> *cough*
21:12 < esden> blindcoder: yes right ...
21:12 < esden> I hope he will not dye from the evil owl actions by then ;)
21:12 < esden> hi owl sbtw ;)
21:12 < esden> *hug*
21:12 < blindcoder> yeah, that'd put our food-planning in severe trouble
21:12 < esden> yes ... full ack
21:13 < owl> hihi. you boys are evil, not me ;p
21:13 < rolla> re
21:14 < owl> hi rolla 
21:14 < blindcoder> owl: sorete nani?
21:14 < owl> blindcoder: haeh?
21:14 < blindcoder> owl: oh, sorry... too much anime :-) sorete nani -> so what?
21:15 < owl> blindcoder: *douh* hmm. btw, watched animatrix?
21:15 < blindcoder> owl: no, wanted to get the DVD today, but I haven't made it to Munich yet...
21:16 < esden> argh ... the svn update preparation routine takes way too long time ... >_<
21:16 < owl> blindcoder: hm. if you want, you can lend it to you...
21:16 < esden> he can lend it to himself ... nice ;)
21:17 < esden> that is a lendloop ;)
21:17 < blindcoder> "We all know Linux is great. It can do infinite loops in five seconds." -- Linus Torvalds
21:18 < owl> *lol* nah.. s/you(2)/i
21:18 < blindcoder> owl: you could deposit it at bitz for me...
21:19 < owl> blindcoder: hm. at bitz... not really... because i don't trust all of the people. but maybe we (you, rainer and me) could meet on saturday or so?
21:20 < blindcoder> hmm... Saturday... should be fine
21:21 < owl> kewl. you will be online tomorrow? 
21:21 < owl> or msg me your mobile-nr
21:21 < blindcoder> no, I'll be in Aschaffenburg
21:22 < esden> blindcoder: be nice to that girls ;{
21:22 < esden> ;)
21:22 < esden> do not eat them in one peace ... that is not looking tasty ;)
21:22 < owl> ???
21:23 < blindcoder> I will eat them one by one *MUAHAHAHA*
21:24 < esden> good 
21:24 < owl> haeh? which girls?
21:24 < esden> owl: some tasty young virgin girls ;)
21:25 < owl> ???
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21:40 < blindcoder> that's some heavy storytelling... phew...
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21:45 < nookie_> night
21:48 < owl> gn8
21:49 < nookie_> night owl
21:51 < esden> n8 owl 
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23:19 * netrunner discovered that his dvdwriter can also burn cdr
23:22 < tcr> Bwah
23:23 < tcr> I hate software that _does_ use autoconf and automake but does still hardcode path in the code and don't use --prefix
23:23 < tcr> That's pure crap!
23:27 * netrunner discovered he is tired and goes to bed.
23:27 < tcr> oh :)
23:27 * tcr ain't tired 'cuz he's damn fuckin' angry!
23:27 < netrunner> who joins me tomorrow noon on the beerfestival?
23:27 < netrunner> tcr: have a beer and relax!
23:27 < netrunner> n8 .)
23:28 < tcr> erm
23:28 < tcr> you know what will be tomorrow?
23:28 < daja77> my birthday
23:28 < tcr> Gr??ter Trauertag f?r Westdeutschland
23:28 < tcr> passt :P
23:29 < daja77> haha, you know nothing
23:31 < tcr> So?
23:31 < daja77> yepp, but honestly this is no news
23:32 < tcr> Well, I think you have to catch up and shouldn't live in a dream
23:32 < daja77> I don't
23:33 < tcr> It's proven by scientific that the Wiedervereinigung hasn't by any means had a good impact on our economics
23:33 < tcr> And I _know_ that my parents have been having to pay for it
23:33 < daja77> we have to pay as well, so what
23:34 < tcr> You have to pay a Solidarit?tsausgleich or whateva it's called
23:34 < tcr> ?
23:34 < daja77> yes sure, and i know that this fact is hidden for most of west germany's population
23:35 < tcr> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the fact ,that German is unied again, is bad
23:36 < daja77> and speaking of economy, some half dead enterprises, got well again while expanding in the east
23:36 < tcr> So what?
23:37 < Freak> ich frag mich ob ich mal die nationalhymne rezitieren soll :))
23:38 < Freak> I felt the need to say that in german - excuses.
23:38 < daja77> ja mach mal, wenn ihr ne weile wartet könnt ihr sie im dlf anhören
23:38 < tcr> dlf?
23:38 < daja77> 23:58
23:38 < Freak> deutschlandfunk
23:38 < daja77> deutschlandfunk
23:39 < tcr> Wozu anh?ren? Die hat man so drauf
23:39 < tcr> und grob gesungen klingt se doch eh viel besser ;)
23:39 < daja77> they are playing it instrumental, so you can still sing with them
23:39 < th> rxr: with us?
23:39 < Freak> its a bit annoying that a big part of germany's population still sings the first verse
23:40 < Freak> even more annoying is if people don't understand what von Fallersleben actually meant
23:40 < tcr> Freak, why not? it's still a part of our national anthem
23:40 < Freak> no it is not.
23:40 < tcr> It is
23:41 < Freak> it is not part of the national anthem of the german federal republic (or is it "f.r. of germany"?)
23:41 < Freak> read the Grundgesetz.
23:41 < tcr> You should go ahead and read it
23:42 < Freak> working on it.
23:42 < tcr> It's part of the national anthem, but not the part which is officially played on ceremonial events
23:42 < Freak> I'll take a picture of it w/ my digicam, a second please.
23:42 < Freak> b*shit.
23:42 < Freak> uhm I mean b*sh?t
23:42 < tcr> I have quite a lot copies of it
23:42 < daja77> lol
23:43 < Freak> ok
23:43 < Freak> look at the inhaltsverzeichnis
23:44 < Freak> in my copy its on the very last page, page 96
23:44 < Freak> one of my copies..
23:45 < Freak> "Die 3. Strophe des Liedes der Deutschen von Hoffmann von Fallersleben mit der Melodie von Joseph Haydn ist die Nationalhymne für das deutsche Volk."
23:46 < Freak> aus "[einem] Briefwechsel vom August 1991" zwischen "Bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl" und "Bundespräsident Richard von Weizsäcker"
23:47 < Freak> hey whaddayawant. I'm for sure the chan-smartass!!
23:47 < Freak> so dont you mess with me aight
23:47 < daja77> ack :))
23:47 < esden> humm ... once more #rocklinux mutating to #politics ... interesting ...
23:47 < tcr> Freak, which ??
23:47 < Freak> hehe esden :)
23:48 < daja77> esden: don't things passing by :)
23:48 < esden> daja77: thank god they do ...
23:48 < Freak> tcr: http:/
23:48 < Freak> duh
23:48 < tcr> I'm still sure that I'm right, since we talked about that in school some time ago
23:48 < Freak> http://www.aktiv-gegen-plenken.de/
23:49 < Freak> we did not talk about it but I read the text by myself when I first held this copy in my hands.
23:50 < tcr> ??? plenken wo?
23:51 < daja77> you did it, but anyway ...
23:51 < Freak> nevermind I just felt like saying it ;)
23:52 < daja77> it disturbs mail & news more than irc anyway
23:52 < Freak> heh
23:53 < daja77> sorry for cutting your smartass abilities :))
23:53 < Freak> it is, no matter where, always a possibility to be smartassy
23:53 < tcr> I don't see where I should have done that
23:53 < Freak> then you are either drunk or you can't read.
23:54 < tcr> No, just too lazy to scroll up .
23:55 < Freak> thats okay
23:55 < Freak> I have the proof already.
23:55 < Freak> so
23:55 < Freak> nevermind.
23:55 < tcr> Ok .
23:55 < Freak> but anyways
23:56 < Freak> even if I once in a while should be _wrong_
23:56 < Freak> I still think I'm the greatest ;)
23:57 < daja77> we leave you alone with that error ^^
23:58 < tcr> Anyway I like the first strophe more than the third one. And the reason why the third one has been put in favor of the first one is completely silly anyway
23:58 < tcr> Especially if you look at "Br?derlich mit Herz und Hand"... that can be misinterpreted as easily as "?ber alles"
23:58 < daja77> die hymne kommt jetzt btw
23:59 < daja77> so now enough of that
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