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--- Log opened Mon Oct 06 00:00:45 2003 00:01 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiver7r.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit ("Flaming Toaster Pastries!") 00:48 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@D05b8.pppool.de] has quit ("pennen") 01:04 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD900570B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 01:05 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip88-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 01:05 < Mike1> greetings 02:17 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009243.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 02:23 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip88-62.ct.co.cr] has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:02 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uivenbo.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 04:07 -!- mistik1_ [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #rocklinux 04:09 < rolla> re 04:22 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:00 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E204.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:09 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E26A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:19 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td90918d8.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:22 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uivenbo.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit ("Flaming Toaster Pastries!") 07:42 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, rolla, [anders], netrunner, praenti, cytrinox, hannes, Freak, _spectre_, blindcoder, (+14 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 07:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig, snyke, fake, true, SMP, daja77, Aard, vectrax, clifford_away, Freak (+14 more) 07:54 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, [anders], daja77, netrunner, praenti, hannes, Freak, cytrinox, _spectre_, blindcoder, (+14 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 07:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox, th, mnemoc 07:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: scoopexH, mistik1_, netrunner, _spectre_, kasc, snyke, blindcoder, hannes, praenti, rxr (+11 more) 08:19 < blindcoder> moin moin 08:24 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 08:51 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p508013B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:51 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FDBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 08:51 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 08:59 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td90918d8.adsl.terralink.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 09:26 -!- Davis [~Davis@c-24-30-246-250.va.client2.attbi.com] has joined #rocklinux 09:26 < Davis> hey I need someones help really really badly 09:26 < Davis> I am stuck on my project for my java class 09:27 < Davis> anyone know a good java programmer or a java channel I can join 09:33 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux 09:33 < hopelessOwl> moin 09:33 < Davis> hey are you good with java at all 09:33 < Davis> or know where I can go to get help? 09:33 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:34 < hopelessOwl> o_O 09:34 < hopelessOwl> hi Nebukadneza 09:34 < Nebukadneza> moin hopelessOwl 09:35 -!- _spectre_ [ciexwvu@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:35 -!- Davis [~Davis@c-24-30-246-250.va.client2.attbi.com] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 09:37 -!- spectre [zixbinm@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:41 < daja77> moin 09:41 < hopelessOwl> hi daja77 09:41 < daja77> hi owl 09:44 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:45 < hopelessOwl> hi blindy 09:55 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 10:15 -!- jp [icechat@217-124-41-185.dialup.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:17 -!- jp [icechat@217-124-41-185.dialup.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has left #rocklinux () 10:59 -!- hopelessOwl is now known as deadOwl 11:28 < blindcoder> GAH! 10MB .patch for version tag >_< 11:28 < blindcoder> hmm... 11:28 < blindcoder> or is it? 11:28 < deadOwl> GAH! company almost completely finished *rotfl* 11:29 * deadOwl wants some wine and wodka and and and 11:30 < blindcoder> I see... rev 1583 is not to be retrieved... 11:49 < blindcoder> wow, I'm working with pointers for about 2 hours now, and still I have not produced a single segfault 11:50 < deadOwl> congrats. 11:50 < blindcoder> thank you very much *bows to audience* 11:50 < deadOwl> hm. 11:51 * deadOwl hopes that she doesn't have to pay for seeing blindcoder's not-segfaulting-messages 11:53 < blindcoder> nah, today's presentation is free-as-in-beer :-) 11:53 < deadOwl> kewl. thx. but when talking about alk - could you please give me some of it? 11:54 < blindcoder> nah, no alcohol before noon 11:54 < deadOwl> why not? 11:54 < blindcoder> it makes lunch taste bad 11:54 < deadOwl> which lunch? 11:54 < deadOwl> ah. forgot. normal people eat stuff 11:54 < blindcoder> yes 11:56 * deadOwl np: eisregen - stirb laechelnd 12:52 * blindcoder away: mv /dev/lunch /dev/mouth 13:04 * blindcoder back 13:19 -!- spectre [zixbinm@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 13:20 -!- _spectre_ [pvznbjv@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:20 < th> mornin' 13:21 < blindcoder> moin 13:21 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@dsl-082-082-081-151.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:23 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-080-073.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:26 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: th, mnemoc 13:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: th 13:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc 13:36 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:37 < jsaw> re 14:38 < rolla> re 15:06 < deadOwl> remoin 15:23 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit (""bb2n8"") 15:23 < blindcoder> okay, now all I have to do is morph this into a live-cd 15:46 < daja77> re 15:52 < rolla> and then recompile iptables 15:56 < daja77> hey rolla :) 16:01 * blindcoder away: gym 16:01 < rolla> re daja77 16:02 < daja77> have a free minute? 16:06 < rolla> sure 16:09 -!- Freak is now known as Frea 16:09 < Frea> whoops 16:09 -!- Frea is now known as Freak 16:15 < daja77> Freak! 16:17 < Freak> what? I didnt do it.. 16:18 < daja77> stop dropping your k on my roof 16:33 -!- deadOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("train") 16:36 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 16:37 < daja77> hola A-Tui 16:40 < A-Tui> hola daja77 16:40 < daja77> what's up in spain? 16:41 < A-Tui> it's too cold 16:41 < A-Tui> but at the moment all is ok 16:41 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD9502DDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:41 < daja77> :) 16:43 < trekkie3k> hi 16:43 < daja77> hi trekkie3k 16:43 < A-Tui> hi trekkie3k 16:57 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford 16:57 * A-Tui is away: Come Lacasitos.....!!!!!! 16:57 < daja77> wb clifford 16:57 < clifford> hi daja 17:24 < esden> hi all 17:25 < daja77> hi esden *hug* 17:25 < esden> hi daja77 *hug* 17:26 < daja77> :) 17:48 < rolla> fake: how is it going? 17:48 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm83.gamma148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 17:49 < cchamilt> EHLO 17:50 < daja77> HELO 17:50 < daja77> protocol error ... 17:50 < cchamilt> :) 17:51 < cchamilt> which one starts? 17:52 < daja77> dunno 17:52 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 17:52 < cchamilt> I think I should have been 'HELLO cchamilt' 17:52 < cchamilt> hi 17:52 < blindcoder> EHLO #rocklinux 17:53 < blindcoder> 250-#rocklinux Hello blindcoder [Benjamin Schieder], leased to meet you 17:53 < cchamilt> Hmm 17:53 < blindcoder> followed by 250-* info messages 17:53 < cchamilt> I prefer rent-to-own 17:53 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.51.167.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:54 < cchamilt> Anyone think on my RFC yesterday? 17:54 < blindcoder> anyone got experience in creating live-cds witd ROCK? 17:54 < cchamilt> Not 2.0 17:54 < daja77> no but i have to do that soon ... 17:55 < blindcoder> cchamilt: I didn't quite understand it... 17:55 < cchamilt> Just copy bootdisk to start and change its config.in and build_stage* to suit. 17:55 < blindcoder> what is it that you want to achieve? 17:55 < blindcoder> cchamilt: hmm... sounds almost too easy :-) 17:55 < cchamilt> Rock currently does not 'tell' building packages where to find other packages. 17:56 < blindcoder> hmm 17:56 < cchamilt> For live cd you should hack linuxrc to 'autoboot' 17:56 < blindcoder> where would this be necessary? 17:57 < blindcoder> cchamilt: yeah, that would be the easiest part... replacing linuxrc with a very small shell script :-) 17:57 < cchamilt> I did it once and have some working linuxrcs if you want. 17:57 < blindcoder> I just need to start X and run an app in it 17:58 < cchamilt> Well then linuxrc should probably be thrown away and just do a hwscan first and then setup X someway. 17:59 < blindcoder> yeah, that's why I thought using a bash-script 17:59 < cchamilt> The thing about the RFC is that we can stick packages anywhere with no way to check cleanly if they are installed later. 18:00 < cchamilt> Other than scanning /var/adm and devining? where the files you need are at/ 18:00 < blindcoder> [ -e /var/adm/flists/${pkg} ] ? 18:00 < esden> hi cchamilt, blindcoder 18:00 < blindcoder> hi esden ! 18:00 < blindcoder> esden: do you have a running X with opengl atm? 18:00 < cchamilt> Yes, but is apache in /opt/apache or /usr 18:01 < blindcoder> hmm... okay, now I see what you mean... 18:01 < cchamilt> or is it in /usr/local for some reason ... 18:01 < esden> grrr ... /me is too stupid to write a C++ wrapper for a C gtk widget >_< 18:01 < esden> *sigh* 18:01 < esden> blindcoder: no sorry 18:01 * A-Tui is away: comprando el desayuno...... 18:01 < cchamilt> hi esden 18:01 < blindcoder> esden: not even software gl? 18:01 < esden> hmm ... that perhups 18:01 < esden> why? 18:02 < blindcoder> esden: run `glxgears` and you'll see. 18:02 < blindcoder> esden: because I want to show you something 18:02 < esden> 1184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 236.800 FPS 18:02 < blindcoder> esden: good, so you have opengl, and not a bad one 18:02 < esden> so it is running 18:03 < esden> blindcoder: I am eager to see what ;) 18:04 < esden> hmm ... that is not dri ... humm 18:06 < blindcoder> cchamilt: I don't quite like the idea of putting >900 pkg_prefix variables into a parse-config file 18:07 < cchamilt> me either that is why I RFC'd. 18:07 < blindcoder> AFAIK setenv as implemented in glibc leaks memory (esden? I think you said that) 18:07 -!- scoopexH [~marc@217.9.31.207] has joined #rocklinux 18:07 < blindcoder> and with 900 vars... OTOH, something like /var/adm/*/ isn't quite right, too... 18:07 < cchamilt> I dont know of another solution 18:07 < blindcoder> maybe some important packages should get such a variable 18:08 < cchamilt> maybe only if it isn't /usr? 18:08 < blindcoder> but, for example, no package needs to know where exactly kanatest or gnugo is installed 18:08 < cchamilt> ie. if a package is not in /usr we make it unique and somehow find this out 18:08 < blindcoder> that wouldn't be bad, something like ${pkg_prefix:-/usr} 18:09 < cchamilt> well, the problem is we need a true standard as well. We have packages mixing static checks for somethings 18:09 < cchamilt> ie. php -> /opt/apache/sbin/apxs 18:10 < blindcoder> mhm.... 18:11 < blindcoder> but also, as you can't really tell apache where it should install itself without meddling in the apache.conf file, it isn't really that much necessary. 18:11 < blindcoder> If someone meddles with the inside of ROCK, s/he must expect to break it 18:12 < cchamilt> Yes, I think the situation we have is not really thought out at all. 18:12 < cchamilt> It looks quite, um, not well thought out.... 18:13 < cchamilt> Heck, maybe that is the answer... 18:13 < blindcoder> well, if it was perfect, we wouldn't need 2.1... 18:14 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.2.2.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:14 < cchamilt> Build-Pkg should check for a predetermined pkg_$package_prefix and use that in building the package. 18:14 < cchamilt> That way, a target can change it inside its parse-config. 18:14 < cchamilt> That would make prefixes useful to start. 18:16 < cchamilt> Then maybe manually mark a package special when its default is not /usr, or have Build-Pkg mark it. 18:16 < cchamilt> Build-Pkg would then have a function (not shit loads of variables) that returns the prefix of a specified package. 18:17 < blindcoder> or from within php just do a . $base/package/*/apache/apache.conf 18:17 < cchamilt> So your package could call this function. 18:17 < blindcoder> or something like that 18:18 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 18:18 < cchamilt> hmm, what would that give bc? 18:19 < cchamilt> I don't think combining .confs would be clean would it? 18:20 < blindcoder> hmm... yeah... just an idea :) 18:20 < cchamilt> I think I can do the function version. 18:21 < cchamilt> Wonder if rxr would accept it? 18:21 < blindcoder> better ask him before you go to work 18:22 < cchamilt> Yeah, I was hoping for comments on the maillist. 18:22 < cchamilt> I think everyone is too busy for rock again... 18:22 < blindcoder> well, at least here, the holidays are over 18:22 < cchamilt> god, this is cyclic. 18:23 < cchamilt> It was like 3 years ago when it was first discussed that we not have such a centralized organization just for such a thing... 18:24 < cchamilt> Oh well, everything will be better when we get to 2.1 :) 18:24 < blindcoder> that was before my time, so I don't need to remember :) 18:24 < cchamilt> Oh, I have been bitching about rock for a long time now. 18:25 < cchamilt> Its alway been six months from being really cool and useable to me. 18:30 < esden> argh ... I once more forgot the number of the svn port >_< 18:30 < esden> rxr: please put it somewhere ... 18:42 < rxr> re 18:42 < cchamilt> hi rxr 18:42 < blindcoder> g'evening rxr 18:43 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802996.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < rxr> yeah - me is quite busy with real live ... 18:43 < rxr> but this should get better soon ... 18:45 < cchamilt> rxr: What do you think about a function to return the prefix of a specified package? 18:45 < esden> hi rxr 18:45 < esden> rxr: could you please put the number of the svn port ? 18:45 < esden> sorry for the plank 18:47 * A-Tui is back (gone 00:45:29) 18:47 < A-Tui> hi 18:48 < cchamilt> damn 18:48 < cchamilt> my mail relay is missing rocklinux.org again... 18:48 < rxr> cchamilt: yes - this would be of help 18:49 < cchamilt> I really should just fix my own server... 18:49 < rxr> esden: grep subversion /etc/services 18:49 < rxr> esden: 3690 18:49 < cchamilt> rxr:I will go implement a patch for prefixes right now if you want. 18:50 < rxr> well after all the destabelizing patches in the last months - I'm really sceptic about feature additions right now - and they will only get in after a in-depths review 18:50 < cchamilt> ROCK_PKG_$pkg_PREFIX or pkg_$pkg_prefix? 18:50 < rxr> otherwise we will not get any 2.0.0-final anytime ... 18:51 < rxr> cchamilt: keep in mind that this operation must be cheap - further slow-downs in the build process are not acceptable (IMHO) 18:51 < cchamilt> Well I can make the patch and you can decide, it shouldn't break things... 18:51 < cchamilt> Yeah, it should be really cheap. For most builds it well only check that $prefix==/usr and go on. 18:52 < cchamilt> It will only search for a prefix on call of the function to retrieve it. If it isn't specified, /usr is returned. 18:53 < cchamilt> packages only write to the prefix file if $prefix!=/usr (after the conditional check) 18:54 < cchamilt> Where should I store prefixes since it wont be a parse-config script? 18:54 < esden> rxr: that is only in the newest services ... 18:54 < esden> not in the older ones 18:55 * -> esden goes for food 18:57 < rxr> cchamilt: /var/adm/parse-config/ 18:58 < cchamilt> Really? Then the vars will be visible in build (not hidden in a function) right? 18:59 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802CCD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:59 -!- deadOwl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:59 < deadOwl> moin 19:00 < cchamilt> living dead girl?! 19:01 < deadOwl> living and feeling the pain of life 19:02 < rxr> cchamilt: yes - I think the easiest and most "portable" way is just to store it a file there if it is != usr and add a function that returns the var if defined and "usr" or nothing otherwise ... ?!? 19:03 < cchamilt> Its OK with me, I will also store them in ROCK_* var format - not that pkg_* would cause collisions... 19:04 < cchamilt> I was just worried about having lots of vars in parse-config, or people referring to the vars directly. 19:09 < rxr> hm - I would not introduce a 2nd format in that dir - but it is not me - propose it on the list - and I think Clifford will also have some enlighting comments ... 19:10 < cchamilt> Either way it is one little thing. 19:10 < rxr> sure - I just wanted to mention it - but maybe clifford has a totally different idea ... 19:16 < cchamilt> brb 19:24 < blindcoder> hrm? 19:24 < blindcoder> gcc3 fails with "flistdel: libiberty should not install" 19:24 < blindcoder> brb, have to look into that 19:47 < esden> re 19:47 < esden> blindcoder: lvp is not xinerama aware ;) 19:47 < esden> fix it ;) 19:48 < blindcoder> esden: I don't plan on using xinerame in it 19:49 < cchamilt> hmm, having trouble manip vars... 19:50 < esden> ohh why ... menu on one head and film on the other ;) 19:50 < esden> that would be nice ;) 19:50 < cchamilt> how do you get to variable named inside another variable? 19:51 < cchamilt> $$var? 19:52 < cchamilt> nope 19:53 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M262P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:54 < esden> cchamilt: eval echo \$$var 19:55 < cchamilt> danka 20:01 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:26 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB834.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:27 * -> esden off 20:27 < esden> cu 20:27 < rxr> cu all later 20:27 < daja77> cu rxr, esden 20:27 * rxr is in some real life problem now (again) 20:29 < Freak> rxr: anything we could help you with? 20:41 -!- scoopexH [~marc@217.9.31.207] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:50 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091ba5.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:52 < deadOwl> rxr: huh? 21:05 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M262P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:12 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091ba5.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:37 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 22:00 < cchamilt> wee my patches made it through! 22:02 < tcr> heyha cchamilt, whats up 22:02 < cchamilt> destroying rock 22:02 < rolla> ? 22:03 < cchamilt> no just making changes that should have been 22:04 < cchamilt> I have a butt load of packages and patches waiting on other things being implemented. 22:04 < cchamilt> hopefully the package thing will get used. 22:04 < tcr> moin rolla 22:04 < cchamilt> tcr: has tla fixed its whitespace filename handling problem? 22:05 < tcr> wait, I'm watching news on tv now 22:05 < cchamilt> heh 22:06 < cchamilt> who here wants wants regex based file selection in `mine -i`? 22:10 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 22:12 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tcr, cytrinox` 22:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox`, tcr 22:21 < tcr> cchamilt, (whitespaces and tla:) no it isn't yet. rationale is that a change would require some more or less major changes on code and changeset format which is quite nasty. Besides there're plenty of other things to do and the whitespace thingy hasn't been pushed from other people that much (though I think Tom may very likely change his mind concerning the priority of this feature once he gets a check with some $$$ on it ;)) 22:21 < tcr> cchamilt, (file selection and mine:) damn! not regexp but glob based selection has been though up by blindcoder and me some time ago, I actually wanted to code it but, gee, I forgot about it 22:21 < tcr> s,though,thought, 22:22 < tcr> wtf 22:22 < cchamilt> Well I was just thinking that regex select or unselect would be easy. 22:22 < cchamilt> I am looking at sed though and backing off of that statement. 22:22 < tcr> mine is written in C after all 22:23 < daja77> erh you can use regex in statement mine -i $regex, no? 22:23 < cchamilt> I did do a simple string pattern match to optionally remove /doc/ /man/ /info/ and *.a and *.h from cli. 22:24 < cchamilt> Clifford never replied to my patch... 22:24 < tcr> daja77, ? 22:24 < cchamilt> daja77? 22:25 < cchamilt> My patch just checked if a file matched one of the patterns and skipped installing it if it did. 22:25 < tcr> cchamilt, well blindcoder and me came to the conclusion that it would be best to add an option which takes a filename, and this file can contain lines like *.a etc 22:25 < tcr> cchamilt, you sent it to the list? 22:25 < daja77> maybe I confused sth 22:26 < cchamilt> just clifford, I didn't test it well. Nor did I think it that useful at the time. 22:26 < cchamilt> We are talking about selectively installing files from a package. 22:27 < daja77> ah k. got it 22:27 < cchamilt> Such as saying install any file that is /*.a/ or skip any file /*.a/. Or in tcr's idea just *.a. 22:28 < cchamilt> Globs would be fine I think too. 22:28 < cchamilt> Any glob libraries or do we just make hand strstr matches? 22:28 < tcr> well, we had some reason why the globs specified in that file are exclusive instead of inclusive. I'd have to rethink about that again, and I don't have time atm. Just FYI 22:29 < cchamilt> I could implement (in my head) single * matches now. Just *bob*bob* I couldn't 22:29 < tcr> cchamilt, man 3 glob 22:29 < cchamilt> sweet 22:29 < cchamilt> this linux thing rulz 22:30 < tcr> cchamilt, well it's POSIX according to "conforming to" :) 22:33 < cchamilt> hmm, it needs to get info from opendir 22:34 < cchamilt> If we did glob, it would need to be implemented separate from the filesystem (unless we install files and then delete them) 22:35 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has left #rocklinux ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 22:35 < cchamilt> mine has a list of files with names relative to root that it parses in a loop. 22:35 < cchamilt> My patch just did conditional string searches. 22:37 < tcr> well, we can still borrow code or when you look at GLOB_ALTDIRFUNC could write some functions which emulates filesystem access 22:37 < cchamilt> heck I could do exec seds or greps, but I doubt anyone would think that smart. 22:38 < cchamilt> Possible 22:42 < deadOwl> guys - do you have by accident a idea for my final-exam's project? (work-time should be about 35-70 hours) 22:43 < blindcoder> deadOwl: what about "Programming an interface for OS-independent configuration of ROCK Linux"? 22:44 < deadOwl> blindcoder: *lol* nah 22:44 < blindcoder> and forget the 35-70 hours, that's what documentation is for 22:44 < blindcoder> deadOwl: you asked for a project, I gave you one. I have seen worse things been done... 22:44 < deadOwl> e.g.? 22:44 < cchamilt> That is a short project, especially for college. 22:44 < blindcoder> with even worse titles *shrug* 22:45 < cchamilt> That would be 1000 lines of code max. 22:45 < blindcoder> deadOwl: "Setting up a Fileserver using license-fee-free software and redundand hardware inclunive a restore-concept" 22:45 < blindcoder> cchamilt: 500 loc PHP 22:45 < deadOwl> anwendungsentwicklung 22:46 < blindcoder> s/Setting up/Intergrating/ 22:46 < cchamilt> what language should it be in? 22:46 < deadOwl> c++ 22:46 < deadOwl> and it must be under windows 22:46 < blindcoder> sucks 22:46 < cchamilt> 200loc 22:47 < cchamilt> don't do anything to low level and if you do use mfc, don't do anything not in the examples... 22:48 < deadOwl> why? 22:48 < blindcoder> because the people judging your work won't understand it 22:48 < daja77> lol 22:48 < deadOwl> why are they are sitting there, then? 22:49 < blindcoder> because they have some kind of degree and a beard 22:49 < cchamilt> visual c is not exactly a well built platform. At the lowlevel, there are many wrongly documented things and threads are still bitchy. 22:49 < deadOwl> hmm 22:50 < cchamilt> mfc seems cool until you need it to do something similar to what you have seen and then spend a week trying to find out why you can't. 22:50 < deadOwl> c# is even more horrible, then 22:50 < daja77> hehe exactly what i thought about it 22:50 < cchamilt> mfc is actually much crappier than gtk which should give you reference. 22:51 < cchamilt> mfc is a flaky c++ wrapper to badly documented c. 22:51 < cchamilt> Jocelyn works on windows these days, pretty much moved everything to cygwin. 22:52 < daja77> lol /me making a quote of this 22:53 < cchamilt> When she hooks up to other peoples' mfc code, she has to clean their code, but it works well. 22:57 < cchamilt> I havent touched it in about two years (studio 6.0), but the new stuff isn't new according to Jocelyn. 22:59 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 23:07 * blindcoder -> bed 23:08 < daja77> n8 blindy 23:09 < deadOwl> gn8 blindy 23:10 < tcr> cchamilt, heh you know what? we don't need glob(3) as there's fnmatch(3) :) 23:13 < cchamilt> ok 23:13 < cchamilt> That looks interesting. 23:15 < cchamilt> OK, now to use it in mine. I guess a multiple call cli flag would be best - ie. -x */doc/* -x *.a 23:15 < cchamilt> mines getopt sucks, but I will work on that. 23:18 < cchamilt> g and x arent taken, maybe do both inclusive and exclusive? 23:18 < tcr> Hmm, I can give you a hand if you need (I feel a bit frustated that I forgot about this :/) 23:19 < cchamilt> I did it once before and it was simple. - overload the cli switch, add some annoying globals, and then the search conditions in the loop. 23:20 < tcr> Ok, just give a minute so that I can try to remember the issue with inclusive 23:23 < cchamilt> OK, I am tired. Maybe I will work on this tomorrow anyway. 23:24 < tcr> Yeah me too :) And I don't think I can remember anyway. So it doesn't seem to be of high value 23:24 < tcr> Gotta go. Have to wake up early 23:24 < tcr> gn8 all 23:24 < cchamilt> OK, n8 23:24 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB834.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Leaving") 23:29 < deadOwl> <- sleeping 23:29 < deadOwl> gn8 23:46 < daja77> n8 you all --- Log closed Tue Oct 07 00:00:03 2003