--- Log opened Thu Oct 09 00:00:39 2003
00:14 < daja77> hmm ripclaw really seems to be bored
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00:48 < mistik1> clamav has good docs
00:50 < mistik1> oops
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02:41 < mnemoc> re
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06:07 < cchamilt> rehi's
06:08 < cchamilt> rxr: Why does the CVS/.svn remover operate inside the builddir?
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07:23 < cchamilt> cpan and sourceforge are unreachable
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09:24 < hopelessOwl> moin
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09:36 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:37 < deadOwl_> hi blindy
09:49 < fake> moin
09:50 * fake testing 2.6.0-test7 bluetooth behaviour
09:51 < blindcoder> moin fake
09:51 * blindcoder testin his LVP-DVDs once more and enhancing it afterwards
09:53 < deadOwl_> hi fake 
09:54 < fake> 2.6.0-test7 is fine WRT bluetooth
09:54 < fake> and wlan ;)
09:55 < blindcoder> nice :)
09:55 < blindcoder> my LVP now ROCKs, too :)
09:55 < fake> whats LVP, anyways?
09:55 * deadOwl_ shots c# and ado.net developers once again
09:56 < cchamilt> shoots
09:56 < deadOwl_> FSCK! THAT'S CRAP!!! IMPLEMENTED CRAP!
09:56 < fake> cchamilt: hi chris!
09:56 < cchamilt> hi fake
09:56 < deadOwl_> hi cchamilt 
09:56 < blindcoder> fake: I call it "Linux Video Project". It's a bootable DVD which contains video files, is bootable and gives you a menu so you can choose what you want to play.
09:56 < cchamilt> hi corpseowl
09:57 < blindcoder> It's born from the problem that the bitz-PCs usnually don't have necessary codecs for playing video-files
09:57 < blindcoder> "a bootable DVD which ... is bootable"
09:57 < blindcoder> ehm... bad choice of words, but you get the idea :)
09:58 < fake> yeah
09:58 < fake> so, what are you using? fbdev & mplayer? vesa? or X11?
09:58 < blindcoder> XFree + vesadriver + mplayer
09:59 < cchamilt> I got some mythtv packaged if you want...
09:59 < blindcoder> I'm currently searching for a way to do dynamic X-Configuration like Knoppix does
09:59 < fake> blindcoder: you already know the solution - look at the knoppix sources ;)
10:00 < blindcoder> fake: yeah, will do that once I have finished more important things. Such as the "Aliasverwaltung" for bingo
10:01 < fake> blindcoder: hehe. they found someone ;)
10:01 < fake> they could have asked me... but no one dares. that's funny.
10:02 < blindcoder> fake: well after you and esden left it lying around for 10 months now
10:02 < blindcoder> fake: well, you have acces to the files and you already worked on them, don't you?
10:02 < fake> blindcoder: it was always said to not be thaaaat important
10:02 < blindcoder> well, that changed roughly 8 months ago
10:04 < fake> no one asked me to finish it... 
10:05 < blindcoder> well... esden was in charge of it... maybe that was the problem
10:06 * fake laughs
10:11 < blindcoder> cd build/${ROCKCFG_ID}/root ; cd usr ; rm -rf doc share/doc/ include/ info share/info/ man/ share/man/ src/
10:11 < rxr> re
10:11 < blindcoder> anything else that can be deleted without affecting a running system?
10:11 < blindcoder> moin rxr
10:16 < fake> blindcoder: *.h
10:18 < blindcoder> *.[ah] ?
10:23 < blindcoder> wow... that just saved me 350 MB... of 650 total...
10:57 * deadOwl_ np: apocalyptica - faraway *sigh*
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13:10 < hopelessOwl> moin
13:17 < hopelessOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,268890,00.html << O_o
13:18 < hopelessOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,268882,00.html
13:20 < hopelessOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,268936,00.html
13:22 < hopelessOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,268859,00.html
13:34 < hopelessOwl> www.kernel.org is dead?
13:49 * hopelessOwl np: l ame immortelle - love is lost
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13:51 < hopelessOwl> hi clifford!
13:51 < clifford> hi owl.
13:58 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
13:59 < clifford> hi reloaded  ;-)
13:59 < hopelessOwl> re blindcoder
14:00 < blindcoder> Ah, nothing like an All-you-can-eat-and-drink for lunch :)
14:04 < hopelessOwl> CREATE NW_table1(RecordNumber INT,Approved TEXT(10),ScheduledDuration TEXT(8),ScheduledStartTime(19), Title TEXT(255)) << where is a error there, please?
14:04 < blindcoder> CREATE (what?) NW_table1
14:05 < blindcoder> CREATE DATABASE NW_table1
14:05 < blindcoder> or
14:05 < hopelessOwl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. blind. thx.
14:05 < blindcoder> CREATE TABLE NW_table1
14:05 < hopelessOwl> yeah... *cough* 
14:05 < blindcoder> and there people say that _I_ am blind :)
14:07 < hopelessOwl> hihi. yes
14:08 < hopelessOwl> but - will get new glasses next week ;P
14:08 < blindcoder> good :)
14:09 < blindcoder> okay, final adaptions to Linux Video Project, and then submission of target :-)
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14:10 < hopelessOwl> WAAAAH!!! our intranet/internet lags like hell again. thx to my beloved company *grrr*
14:10 < blindcoder> hopelessOwl: what shall I say? I have a whole of 2 kB/sec upstream available here >_<
14:10 < blindcoder> well... maybe I should shut down the public FTP Server :)
14:11 < hopelessOwl> yes... maybe...
14:12 < hopelessOwl> Resolving www.kernel.org... failed: Host not found.
14:12 < hopelessOwl>  << WTF?!
14:13 < blindcoder> Non-authoritative answer:
14:13 < blindcoder> www.kernel.org  canonical name = zeus-pub.kernel.org.
14:13 < blindcoder> Name:   zeus-pub.kernel.org
14:13 < blindcoder> Address: 204.152.189.116
14:13 < hopelessOwl> i already mentioned, that i hate our network?
14:13 < blindcoder> hopelessOwl: LAAAAAAAAAG :-)
14:14 < blindcoder> okay, /me off to bitz to occupy three PCs and test the LVP
14:14 < blindcoder> brb
14:21 < hopelessOwl> have fun blindy, bye
14:25 < hopelessOwl> .oO(i begin to _love_ redhat)
14:26 < daja77> hm?
14:28 < hopelessOwl> daja77, i installed redhat9 on my notebook today and am using it on mithras - one of my workstations since some days
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14:29 < daja77> and you like it
14:32 < hopelessOwl> yes
14:33 < daja77> rofl
14:34 < hopelessOwl> why are you rofling?
14:34 < daja77> this is just just funny
14:35 < hopelessOwl> and why? could you please give me some information about it?
14:36 < clifford> what exactly do you like about redcrap ?
14:36 < daja77> no not now, maybe later
14:36 < daja77> lol yeah ask the rhce :)
14:37 * blindcoder back
14:38 < hopelessOwl> it's stable, you can really work with it (you don't need to compile everything you need, because it has many stuff already available and so, so you need just to compile stuff which you additional need)
14:39 < clifford> so - why don't you use debian if you want many precompiled binary packages ?
14:39 < daja77> hehe you are evil
14:41 < clifford> well, if I have to choose between debian or redhat - I'm clearly choosing debian ..
14:41 < hopelessOwl> i don't have the bandwith to download all the debian-stuff... and the system is not really "up2date" 
14:41 < clifford> it has much better upgrade-path, etc. than redhat.
14:42 < daja77> hmm guess i'd take rh but maybe for different reasons
14:42 < clifford> hmm... you could use sid then ... and there are companies selling debian CDs too..
14:43 < clifford> or build a ROCK based dist with exactly the packages you want ...
14:44 < daja77> yepp maybe i am just used to rh, so i would use it when i wouldn't have rock :)
14:44 < hopelessOwl> yes... but companies -> internet -> online order -> nothing for me because of paranoia etc. and as i know debian, they will release a new iso not far away... and sid is not usable with this stupid network in company and so.
14:44 < hopelessOwl> daja77, for what reasons would you use rh?
14:44 < daja77> atm for none, i have rock
14:45 < hopelessOwl> clifford, as you know, i'm not at rock anymore. and: i don't want to build days to have a distro.
14:45 < hopelessOwl> currently have absoluely no time for that
14:45 < daja77> you could download rock isos ...
14:46 < hopelessOwl> nah. no rock for my machines anymore and so
14:46 < daja77> well your problem :)
14:46 < hopelessOwl> maybe that will change in future again, but not now. 
14:47 < hopelessOwl> why problem? rh is ok for my needs
14:47 < clifford> ... at least it's better than SuSE ...
14:47 < daja77> if you don't take into account that it is horribly broken, yes
14:47 < daja77> clifford: ack
14:48 < hopelessOwl> (but first i need a _normal_ gcc and normal windowmanager)
14:48 < hopelessOwl> daja77, account that's broken?
14:48 < daja77> owl: wenn man es nicht in betracht zieht, dass ...
14:49 < hopelessOwl> .oO(still blind or what's wrong with this: CREATE TABLE NW_table1(RecordNumber INT,Approved TEXT(10), ScheduledDuration TEXT(8), ScheduledStartTime(19), Title TEXT(255)) )
14:49 < hopelessOwl> thx
14:50 < blindcoder> guess it wasn't a good idea to assime that *.a is always a static library and thus unnecessary...
14:50 < blindcoder> s/assime/assume/
14:51 < clifford> hopelessOwl: TEXT has no lenght.
14:51 < clifford> (afaik)
14:52 < blindcoder> hmm... wouldn't that be VARCHAR then?
14:52 < hopelessOwl> it has... but... i was blind again... ScheduledStartTime had no datatype *cough*
14:52 < clifford> varchar or char - or simply "text" without the lenght-part.
14:53 < clifford> .. and ScheduledStartTime has no type ..
14:54 < hopelessOwl> O_o that can't be true! after about 1/2 a year of trying to code in c# with using ado.net i was able to create 2 tables with columns. incredible. 8th world wonder
15:03 < daja77> hmm xfig picture libraries missing in rock
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16:06 < sjefen> anyone got some experience with isolinux?
16:07 < clifford> sjefen: yes - i made the rock isolinux boot code ..
16:07 < sjefen> sounds great :)
16:07 < clifford> what's your question?
16:07 < sjefen> I'm able to boot the kernel, but I get trouble mounting the root fs. I probably need some help with initrd..?
16:08 < sjefen> I tried to just enter "echo HEY HEY HEY" into the initrd, but I didn't see any "HEY HEY HEY" :)
16:08 < clifford> what did you see?
16:09 < sjefen> uum, when the kernel was done I got something like.. "uable to mount root fs, and some VFS stuff" I cound try and boot it again on another pc if that would help?
16:10 < sjefen> in my isolinux.cfg I got "append initrd=initrd.img" what format should my initrd.img be? ext2fs?
16:10 < clifford> looks like the kernel is eighter not getting the initrd right or doesn't know how to mount it.
16:13 < clifford> ext2fs should be ok and append=initrd.img is also correct.
16:13 < clifford> do you gent any messages during bootup containing the text "initrd" ?
16:13 < sjefen> let me check..
16:14 < sjefen> the kernel tries to mount initrd.img, right?
16:14 < clifford> the kernel _should try to mount a ramdisk which has been passed by the bootloader (isolinux)
16:15 < clifford> the bootloader is loading the image from initrd.img before booting the kernel
16:18 < daja77> in which package is the mkpkg wrapper included?
16:19 < clifford> sysfiles - i think.
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16:23 < daja77> rthx
16:24 < daja77> -r
16:27 < A-Tui> hola
16:27 < daja77> hola A-Tui 
16:27 < A-Tui> hi daja77, who are you?
16:27 < A-Tui> s/who/how :)
16:28 < daja77> always me, and fine thx
16:28 < A-Tui> cool :)
16:28 < mnemoc> re all
16:28 < mnemoc> anybody could build bootdisk these days?
16:30 < A-Tui> i build last week a bootsidk
16:30 < mnemoc> i got "stddef.h: not found" for almost every stage-1 pacague :'(    with dietlibc locally installed
16:31 < mnemoc> s/paca.*/package/
16:32 < daja77> can the rock scripts handle Imake fluff automagically?
16:35 < A-Tui> i don't know :(
16:36 < clifford> daja77: if $runxmkmf is set to 1 (which is the default)
16:36 < clifford> ... see scripts/functions
16:36 < daja77> ah cool, guess i have to add a transfig package then :)
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17:06 < cchamilt> clifford: Any decision?
17:12 < clifford> cchamilt: sorry, no. I had not much time to think about it ..
17:14 < cchamilt> clifford:no, prob.  You know we could do 'named' globs to do what mnemoc proposed as .desc flags for various install lists.
17:14 < cchamilt> clifford:the cdb or /var/adm could store the names and globs and mine could read them the same as -x.
17:17 < cchamilt> clifford: ie. the alias 'dev' could be set in .desc as *.[h|a] and then 'mine -g dev' could be used to invoke the name. 
17:18 < cchamilt> clifford: now as a named glob, I think it should be inclusive globs. ie. normally mine would not include the 'dev' group unless requested.
17:19 < cchamilt> clifford: just a thought.
17:21 < cchamilt> anyway, I should get to bed early. n8.
17:21 < daja77> n8 cchamilt 
17:22 < mnemoc> n8 cchamilt 
17:23 < clifford> n8
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17:47 < tcr> x+3=5 -> x= (5-3 =) 2. How's that what I did called in english ("aufl?sen" in german)?
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18:20 < sjefen> clifford_away: you still here? :)
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18:30 < freed> hi
18:30 * A-Tui is away: Eskorbuto al parlamento!!!
18:42 < mnemoc> is escorbuto an illness?
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19:18 < daja77> re
19:28 < mnemoc> wb daja77 
19:28 < daja77> hi mnemoc
19:36 * A-Tui is back (gone 01:05:27)
19:36 < daja77> wb A-Tui 
19:37 < A-Tui> hola daja77
19:37 < A-Tui> my build is now on stage 9 :)
19:37 < A-Tui> but with 34 packages error 
19:39 < daja77> yep, had this too
19:39 < daja77> trying new build this evening
19:39 < A-Tui> i will try to fix errors, and create cd isos
19:39 < A-Tui> and then build other little
19:40 < mnemoc> i can't build bootdisk!!!! :(
19:40 < mnemoc> damn dietlibc :(
19:40 < A-Tui> mnemoc: the .h problem?
19:40 < mnemoc> esden!!! :'(
19:40 < mnemoc> yep
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21:23 < nookie> Hi A-Tui :)
21:24 < A-Tui> ei hi nookie!!!
21:24 < A-Tui> how are you?
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22:11 < rammi> hi
22:12 < mnemoc> hi
22:14 < rammi> how are you guys?
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22:22 < mnemoc> bored :(
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22:31 < blindcoder> cchamilt: Just to let you know: XFree86 has some *.a files which are needed at runtime! I had to learn that the hard way today >_<
22:31 < daja77> :))
22:31 < blindcoder> no...
22:31 < blindcoder> :((
22:31 < daja77> sorry
22:32 < blindcoder> well, it was not my productive machine :)
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22:33 < owl> moin
22:33 < blindcoder> moin moin
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22:41 < mnemoc> moin moin moin
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22:54 < owl> 2A'
22:54 < mnemoc> wb HappyOwl
22:56 * blindcoder --> bed
23:04 < owl> f
23:04 < owl> gn8
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23:44 < daja77> night you all
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