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--- Log opened Thu Oct 09 00:00:39 2003 00:14 < daja77> hmm ripclaw really seems to be bored 00:15 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50892E40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:38 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 00:48 < mistik1> clamav has good docs 00:50 < mistik1> oops 01:11 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindcoder 01:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder 01:14 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindcoder 01:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder 02:41 < mnemoc> re 02:50 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:50 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #rocklinux 03:13 -!- mistik1_ [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:13 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:37 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:42 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 04:27 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 06:07 < cchamilt> rehi's 06:08 < cchamilt> rxr: Why does the CVS/.svn remover operate inside the builddir? 06:24 -!- _spectre_ [pvznbjv@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:23 < cchamilt> cpan and sourceforge are unreachable 09:24 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux 09:24 < hopelessOwl> moin 09:24 -!- hopelessOwl is now known as deadOwl_ 09:36 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:37 < deadOwl_> hi blindy 09:49 < fake> moin 09:50 * fake testing 2.6.0-test7 bluetooth behaviour 09:51 < blindcoder> moin fake 09:51 * blindcoder testin his LVP-DVDs once more and enhancing it afterwards 09:53 < deadOwl_> hi fake 09:54 < fake> 2.6.0-test7 is fine WRT bluetooth 09:54 < fake> and wlan ;) 09:55 < blindcoder> nice :) 09:55 < blindcoder> my LVP now ROCKs, too :) 09:55 < fake> whats LVP, anyways? 09:55 * deadOwl_ shots c# and ado.net developers once again 09:56 < cchamilt> shoots 09:56 < deadOwl_> FSCK! THAT'S CRAP!!! IMPLEMENTED CRAP! 09:56 < fake> cchamilt: hi chris! 09:56 < cchamilt> hi fake 09:56 < deadOwl_> hi cchamilt 09:56 < blindcoder> fake: I call it "Linux Video Project". It's a bootable DVD which contains video files, is bootable and gives you a menu so you can choose what you want to play. 09:56 < cchamilt> hi corpseowl 09:57 < blindcoder> It's born from the problem that the bitz-PCs usnually don't have necessary codecs for playing video-files 09:57 < blindcoder> "a bootable DVD which ... is bootable" 09:57 < blindcoder> ehm... bad choice of words, but you get the idea :) 09:58 < fake> yeah 09:58 < fake> so, what are you using? fbdev & mplayer? vesa? or X11? 09:58 < blindcoder> XFree + vesadriver + mplayer 09:59 < cchamilt> I got some mythtv packaged if you want... 09:59 < blindcoder> I'm currently searching for a way to do dynamic X-Configuration like Knoppix does 09:59 < fake> blindcoder: you already know the solution - look at the knoppix sources ;) 10:00 < blindcoder> fake: yeah, will do that once I have finished more important things. Such as the "Aliasverwaltung" for bingo 10:01 < fake> blindcoder: hehe. they found someone ;) 10:01 < fake> they could have asked me... but no one dares. that's funny. 10:02 < blindcoder> fake: well after you and esden left it lying around for 10 months now 10:02 < blindcoder> fake: well, you have acces to the files and you already worked on them, don't you? 10:02 < fake> blindcoder: it was always said to not be thaaaat important 10:02 < blindcoder> well, that changed roughly 8 months ago 10:04 < fake> no one asked me to finish it... 10:05 < blindcoder> well... esden was in charge of it... maybe that was the problem 10:06 * fake laughs 10:11 < blindcoder> cd build/${ROCKCFG_ID}/root ; cd usr ; rm -rf doc share/doc/ include/ info share/info/ man/ share/man/ src/ 10:11 < rxr> re 10:11 < blindcoder> anything else that can be deleted without affecting a running system? 10:11 < blindcoder> moin rxr 10:16 < fake> blindcoder: *.h 10:18 < blindcoder> *.[ah] ? 10:23 < blindcoder> wow... that just saved me 350 MB... of 650 total... 10:57 * deadOwl_ np: apocalyptica - faraway *sigh* 11:06 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:13 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 12:03 -!- deadOwl_ [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("rm -rf /") 12:06 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FAC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:06 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FC75.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 12:06 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:10 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux 13:10 < hopelessOwl> moin 13:17 < hopelessOwl> https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,268890,00.html << O_o 13:18 < hopelessOwl> https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,268882,00.html 13:20 < hopelessOwl> https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,268936,00.html 13:22 < hopelessOwl> https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,268859,00.html 13:34 < hopelessOwl> www.kernel.org is dead? 13:49 * hopelessOwl np: l ame immortelle - love is lost 13:51 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:51 < hopelessOwl> hi clifford! 13:51 < clifford> hi owl. 13:58 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 13:59 < clifford> hi reloaded ;-) 13:59 < hopelessOwl> re blindcoder 14:00 < blindcoder> Ah, nothing like an All-you-can-eat-and-drink for lunch :) 14:04 < hopelessOwl> CREATE NW_table1(RecordNumber INT,Approved TEXT(10),ScheduledDuration TEXT(8),ScheduledStartTime(19), Title TEXT(255)) << where is a error there, please? 14:04 < blindcoder> CREATE (what?) NW_table1 14:05 < blindcoder> CREATE DATABASE NW_table1 14:05 < blindcoder> or 14:05 < hopelessOwl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. blind. thx. 14:05 < blindcoder> CREATE TABLE NW_table1 14:05 < hopelessOwl> yeah... *cough* 14:05 < blindcoder> and there people say that _I_ am blind :) 14:07 < hopelessOwl> hihi. yes 14:08 < hopelessOwl> but - will get new glasses next week ;P 14:08 < blindcoder> good :) 14:09 < blindcoder> okay, final adaptions to Linux Video Project, and then submission of target :-) 14:09 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.186.68.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:10 < hopelessOwl> WAAAAH!!! our intranet/internet lags like hell again. thx to my beloved company *grrr* 14:10 < blindcoder> hopelessOwl: what shall I say? I have a whole of 2 kB/sec upstream available here >_< 14:10 < blindcoder> well... maybe I should shut down the public FTP Server :) 14:11 < hopelessOwl> yes... maybe... 14:12 < hopelessOwl> Resolving www.kernel.org... failed: Host not found. 14:12 < hopelessOwl> << WTF?! 14:13 < blindcoder> Non-authoritative answer: 14:13 < blindcoder> www.kernel.org canonical name = zeus-pub.kernel.org. 14:13 < blindcoder> Name: zeus-pub.kernel.org 14:13 < blindcoder> Address: 204.152.189.116 14:13 < hopelessOwl> i already mentioned, that i hate our network? 14:13 < blindcoder> hopelessOwl: LAAAAAAAAAG :-) 14:14 < blindcoder> okay, /me off to bitz to occupy three PCs and test the LVP 14:14 < blindcoder> brb 14:21 < hopelessOwl> have fun blindy, bye 14:25 < hopelessOwl> .oO(i begin to _love_ redhat) 14:26 < daja77> hm? 14:28 < hopelessOwl> daja77, i installed redhat9 on my notebook today and am using it on mithras - one of my workstations since some days 14:29 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.191.201.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:29 < daja77> and you like it 14:32 < hopelessOwl> yes 14:33 < daja77> rofl 14:34 < hopelessOwl> why are you rofling? 14:34 < daja77> this is just just funny 14:35 < hopelessOwl> and why? could you please give me some information about it? 14:36 < clifford> what exactly do you like about redcrap ? 14:36 < daja77> no not now, maybe later 14:36 < daja77> lol yeah ask the rhce :) 14:37 * blindcoder back 14:38 < hopelessOwl> it's stable, you can really work with it (you don't need to compile everything you need, because it has many stuff already available and so, so you need just to compile stuff which you additional need) 14:39 < clifford> so - why don't you use debian if you want many precompiled binary packages ? 14:39 < daja77> hehe you are evil 14:41 < clifford> well, if I have to choose between debian or redhat - I'm clearly choosing debian .. 14:41 < hopelessOwl> i don't have the bandwith to download all the debian-stuff... and the system is not really "up2date" 14:41 < clifford> it has much better upgrade-path, etc. than redhat. 14:42 < daja77> hmm guess i'd take rh but maybe for different reasons 14:42 < clifford> hmm... you could use sid then ... and there are companies selling debian CDs too.. 14:43 < clifford> or build a ROCK based dist with exactly the packages you want ... 14:44 < daja77> yepp maybe i am just used to rh, so i would use it when i wouldn't have rock :) 14:44 < hopelessOwl> yes... but companies -> internet -> online order -> nothing for me because of paranoia etc. and as i know debian, they will release a new iso not far away... and sid is not usable with this stupid network in company and so. 14:44 < hopelessOwl> daja77, for what reasons would you use rh? 14:44 < daja77> atm for none, i have rock 14:45 < hopelessOwl> clifford, as you know, i'm not at rock anymore. and: i don't want to build days to have a distro. 14:45 < hopelessOwl> currently have absoluely no time for that 14:45 < daja77> you could download rock isos ... 14:46 < hopelessOwl> nah. no rock for my machines anymore and so 14:46 < daja77> well your problem :) 14:46 < hopelessOwl> maybe that will change in future again, but not now. 14:47 < hopelessOwl> why problem? rh is ok for my needs 14:47 < clifford> ... at least it's better than SuSE ... 14:47 < daja77> if you don't take into account that it is horribly broken, yes 14:47 < daja77> clifford: ack 14:48 < hopelessOwl> (but first i need a _normal_ gcc and normal windowmanager) 14:48 < hopelessOwl> daja77, account that's broken? 14:48 < daja77> owl: wenn man es nicht in betracht zieht, dass ... 14:49 < hopelessOwl> .oO(still blind or what's wrong with this: CREATE TABLE NW_table1(RecordNumber INT,Approved TEXT(10), ScheduledDuration TEXT(8), ScheduledStartTime(19), Title TEXT(255)) ) 14:49 < hopelessOwl> thx 14:50 < blindcoder> guess it wasn't a good idea to assime that *.a is always a static library and thus unnecessary... 14:50 < blindcoder> s/assime/assume/ 14:51 < clifford> hopelessOwl: TEXT has no lenght. 14:51 < clifford> (afaik) 14:52 < blindcoder> hmm... wouldn't that be VARCHAR then? 14:52 < hopelessOwl> it has... but... i was blind again... ScheduledStartTime had no datatype *cough* 14:52 < clifford> varchar or char - or simply "text" without the lenght-part. 14:53 < clifford> .. and ScheduledStartTime has no type .. 14:54 < hopelessOwl> O_o that can't be true! after about 1/2 a year of trying to code in c# with using ado.net i was able to create 2 tables with columns. incredible. 8th world wonder 15:03 < daja77> hmm xfig picture libraries missing in rock 16:05 -!- sjefen [~sjefen@ti122110a080-0075.bb.online.no] has joined #ROCKlinux 16:06 < sjefen> anyone got some experience with isolinux? 16:07 < clifford> sjefen: yes - i made the rock isolinux boot code .. 16:07 < sjefen> sounds great :) 16:07 < clifford> what's your question? 16:07 < sjefen> I'm able to boot the kernel, but I get trouble mounting the root fs. I probably need some help with initrd..? 16:08 < sjefen> I tried to just enter "echo HEY HEY HEY" into the initrd, but I didn't see any "HEY HEY HEY" :) 16:08 < clifford> what did you see? 16:09 < sjefen> uum, when the kernel was done I got something like.. "uable to mount root fs, and some VFS stuff" I cound try and boot it again on another pc if that would help? 16:10 < sjefen> in my isolinux.cfg I got "append initrd=initrd.img" what format should my initrd.img be? ext2fs? 16:10 < clifford> looks like the kernel is eighter not getting the initrd right or doesn't know how to mount it. 16:13 < clifford> ext2fs should be ok and append=initrd.img is also correct. 16:13 < clifford> do you gent any messages during bootup containing the text "initrd" ? 16:13 < sjefen> let me check.. 16:14 < sjefen> the kernel tries to mount initrd.img, right? 16:14 < clifford> the kernel _should try to mount a ramdisk which has been passed by the bootloader (isolinux) 16:15 < clifford> the bootloader is loading the image from initrd.img before booting the kernel 16:18 < daja77> in which package is the mkpkg wrapper included? 16:19 < clifford> sysfiles - i think. 16:22 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 16:23 < daja77> rthx 16:24 < daja77> -r 16:27 < A-Tui> hola 16:27 < daja77> hola A-Tui 16:27 < A-Tui> hi daja77, who are you? 16:27 < A-Tui> s/who/how :) 16:28 < daja77> always me, and fine thx 16:28 < A-Tui> cool :) 16:28 < mnemoc> re all 16:28 < mnemoc> anybody could build bootdisk these days? 16:30 < A-Tui> i build last week a bootsidk 16:30 < mnemoc> i got "stddef.h: not found" for almost every stage-1 pacague :'( with dietlibc locally installed 16:31 < mnemoc> s/paca.*/package/ 16:32 < daja77> can the rock scripts handle Imake fluff automagically? 16:35 < A-Tui> i don't know :( 16:36 < clifford> daja77: if $runxmkmf is set to 1 (which is the default) 16:36 < clifford> ... see scripts/functions 16:36 < daja77> ah cool, guess i have to add a transfig package then :) 16:46 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("train") 17:06 < cchamilt> clifford: Any decision? 17:12 < clifford> cchamilt: sorry, no. I had not much time to think about it .. 17:14 < cchamilt> clifford:no, prob. You know we could do 'named' globs to do what mnemoc proposed as .desc flags for various install lists. 17:14 < cchamilt> clifford:the cdb or /var/adm could store the names and globs and mine could read them the same as -x. 17:17 < cchamilt> clifford: ie. the alias 'dev' could be set in .desc as *.[h|a] and then 'mine -g dev' could be used to invoke the name. 17:18 < cchamilt> clifford: now as a named glob, I think it should be inclusive globs. ie. normally mine would not include the 'dev' group unless requested. 17:19 < cchamilt> clifford: just a thought. 17:21 < cchamilt> anyway, I should get to bed early. n8. 17:21 < daja77> n8 cchamilt 17:22 < mnemoc> n8 cchamilt 17:23 < clifford> n8 17:28 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@pD9522BF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 17:46 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABEA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:47 < tcr> x+3=5 -> x= (5-3 =) 2. How's that what I did called in english ("aufl?sen" in german)? 18:02 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@pD9522BF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (":x") 18:20 < sjefen> clifford_away: you still here? :) 18:30 -!- freed [~lol@rou51-23.tfh-berlin.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:30 < freed> hi 18:30 * A-Tui is away: Eskorbuto al parlamento!!! 18:42 < mnemoc> is escorbuto an illness? 18:45 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802016.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:57 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M309P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:59 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802BDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:14 -!- freed [~lol@rou51-23.tfh-berlin.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:18 < daja77> re 19:28 < mnemoc> wb daja77 19:28 < daja77> hi mnemoc 19:36 * A-Tui is back (gone 01:05:27) 19:36 < daja77> wb A-Tui 19:37 < A-Tui> hola daja77 19:37 < A-Tui> my build is now on stage 9 :) 19:37 < A-Tui> but with 34 packages error 19:39 < daja77> yep, had this too 19:39 < daja77> trying new build this evening 19:39 < A-Tui> i will try to fix errors, and create cd isos 19:39 < A-Tui> and then build other little 19:40 < mnemoc> i can't build bootdisk!!!! :( 19:40 < mnemoc> damn dietlibc :( 19:40 < A-Tui> mnemoc: the .h problem? 19:40 < mnemoc> esden!!! :'( 19:40 < mnemoc> yep 20:24 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABEA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:24 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD950288A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:13 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 21:20 -!- zen [~Snak@user-2ivekk2.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 < nookie> Hi A-Tui :) 21:24 < A-Tui> ei hi nookie!!! 21:24 < A-Tui> how are you? 21:28 -!- zen is now known as zenlunatic 21:47 -!- powd [~powd@200-168-108-216.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #rocklinux 22:08 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E29E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:09 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M309P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:09 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M299P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:11 -!- rammi [~ram@195.252.80.89] has joined #rocklinux 22:11 < rammi> hi 22:12 < mnemoc> hi 22:14 < rammi> how are you guys? 22:15 -!- zen [~Snak@user-2ivel9a.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E29B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:17 -!- zen is now known as zenlu 22:20 -!- powd [~powd@200-168-108-216.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit () 22:21 -!- zenlu is now known as gnuhippie 22:22 < mnemoc> bored :( 22:24 -!- zenlunatic [~Snak@user-2ivekk2.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Operation timed out) 22:31 < blindcoder> cchamilt: Just to let you know: XFree86 has some *.a files which are needed at runtime! I had to learn that the hard way today >_< 22:31 < daja77> :)) 22:31 < blindcoder> no... 22:31 < blindcoder> :(( 22:31 < daja77> sorry 22:32 < blindcoder> well, it was not my productive machine :) 22:33 -!- owl [~owl@D700c.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:33 < owl> moin 22:33 < blindcoder> moin moin 22:35 -!- rammi [~ram@195.252.80.89] has quit ("leaving") 22:41 < mnemoc> moin moin moin 22:51 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 22:54 < owl> 2A' 22:54 < mnemoc> wb HappyOwl 22:56 * blindcoder --> bed 23:04 < owl> f 23:04 < owl> gn8 23:04 -!- owl [~owl@D700c.d.pppool.de] has quit ("sleeping") 23:20 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@dsl-213-023-065-213.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:23 -!- gnuhippie [~Snak@user-2ivel9a.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 23:38 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@dsl-213-023-066-151.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:44 < daja77> night you all 23:57 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD950288A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("$default_part_message") --- Log closed Fri Oct 10 00:00:57 2003