--- Log opened Fri Oct 10 00:00:57 2003
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03:19 < esden> hi all
03:19 < esden> anyone awake?
03:19 < mnemoc> you
03:20 < esden> hehe ... yes /me ;)
03:20 < esden> it is so quiet over here at night ... or at least european night ;)
03:23 < mnemoc> the perfect enviorment to fix bootdisk :)
03:23 < esden> mnemoc: :P
03:24 < mnemoc> isn't it? ;)
03:24 * -> esden opening another xterm ... and logging in as root 
03:24 < esden> *sigh*
03:26 < mnemoc> thanks ;)
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05:58 < cchamilt> relo
06:02 < cchamilt> oler
06:02 < cchamilt> <rant>
06:02 < cchamilt> REALLY NEED PREFIX VARIABLES IN BUILD
06:03 < cchamilt> package/cchamilt/heimdal/parse-config:
06:03 < cchamilt> if [ -n $pkg_heimdal_prefix ] ; then
06:04 < cchamilt> var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-krb --with-kerberos --with-gssapi --with-gss"
06:04 < cchamilt> fi
06:05 < cchamilt> Would instantly turn on global kerberos support by enabling AND building a single heimdal package.
06:05 < cchamilt> </rant>
06:06 < cchamilt> Right now I am doing an flist -f, but if we had prefixes I could assign =$prefix to the above flags cleanly.
06:06 < mnemoc> nobody will read this at this hour, mail it
06:06 < esden> cchamilt: yes you should write a mail
06:06 < esden> but I have a question nonetheless ...
06:06 < cchamilt> no mail right now, relay is locking me out again.
06:06 < cchamilt> yes
06:07 < esden> has anyone of you observed shared file problems with vor/tmp
06:07 < esden> I have that in some packages
06:07 < esden> for example patch
06:07 < esden> coreutils
06:07 < esden> and one another I can not remember now exactly
06:08 < cchamilt> No, but haven't done full build in a week.
06:08 < esden> hrm ... I have nither ...
06:08 < cchamilt> What is in var/tmp?
06:08 < esden> I have only made dietlibc target builds 
06:08 < esden> and there they occure
06:08 < esden> !> Found shared files with other packages:
06:08 < esden> !> var/tmp: 00-dirtree patch
06:08 < cchamilt> could it or something like sed be reusing tmp files?
06:09 < esden> I think that it is autoconf problem or so
06:09 < cchamilt> oh, it is actually trying to recreate the var/tmp dir?
06:09 < esden> yes
06:11 < cchamilt> Hmm. scripts/Build-Pkg:flistdel="etc/ld.so.cache|var/tmp/.*...
06:11 < esden> I have now added pkg_*_post.conf files to dietlibc target
06:12 < esden> humm ... I had to readd it to flistdel in post files
06:12 < esden> strange
06:13 < cchamilt> dont know what is deleting var/tmp itself, and therefore needing to recreate it.
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06:14 < cchamilt> I mean if dirtree mkdir'd it, there is no 'touch'ing that could occur unless it is accidently deleted in the build.
06:14 < esden> humm ... strange
06:16 < esden> it spells flistdel="etc/ld.so.cache|var/tmp/.* and not flistdel="etc/ld.so.cache|var/tmp/
06:16 < esden> that is the problem ...
06:16 < esden> probably I should add var/tmp there
06:17 < cchamilt> But it is a directory that never be deleted, hence never recreated.
06:18 < esden> hmm ... perhups it is because I am using not the ldpreload flistwrapper but the find flistwrapper
06:18 < esden> then also when you mkdir -f /var/tmp then it is being detected as new ...
06:18 < cchamilt> modtimes of the directories showing up?
06:19 < esden> probably ... I do not know exactly how this find flistwrapper is working
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06:20 < cchamilt> Must be trying to find created directories. Makes sense, but should be creation time not mod (unless mkdir -p resets creation)
06:21 < cchamilt> I am trying to hand upgrade a 1.3/1.5 colocation server I have to 1.3/1.5/2.0. Heh.
06:21 < esden> it can also be -p ... but I not found the place where var/tmp is being (re)created in that packages
06:21 < esden> :q
06:21 < cchamilt> Needs new openssh and my new packages.
06:21 < esden> ups
06:22 < cchamilt> It may just find looking at directory mods, but then it would be seeing things like /usr too.
06:23 < esden> humm ... right
06:24 < esden> argh damn dump ... >_<
06:24 < esden> I try to fix that crap for a very long time now for dietlibc >_<
06:26 < cchamilt> wee I think I found the answer
06:27 < cchamilt> Is you var/tmp a real directory to link?
06:29 < cchamilt> -not -type d -or -type d -empty  should ignore only pure directories right?
06:30 < cchamilt> links of directories would be included in the list.
06:31 < cchamilt> Is your /var/tmp linked to /tmp?
06:33 < cchamilt> Hmm, when upgrading from /etc/init.d to /etc/rc.d/init.d rebuilding sysfiles seems safe so far.  Need to manually make /etc/rc.d/rcX.d for later inits though.
06:34 < cchamilt> Now do I move everything from /etc/rc.d/init.d to /etc/init.d or the other way and modify /etc/inittab?
06:37 < cchamilt> Sweet I just did a stone rebuild of keys for ssh (needed new keys), then did a live HUP on my ssh connection to the box and it worked.
06:38 < cchamilt> Now the question is, what all does a HUP do?
06:38 < cchamilt> Does a HUP actually use the new executable?
06:41 < mnemoc> kill and exec
06:41 < mnemoc> with same info
06:42 < cchamilt> Hmm.
06:42 < cchamilt> I will experiment (since this my local test box)
06:45 < cchamilt> Hmm. It should have borked if privilege separation was not understood. So I guess HUP worked correctly.
06:45 < cchamilt> What is the moduli used for in ssh?
06:48 < cchamilt> Hmm looks like /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd will need moved to /etc/init.d as /etc/init.d version checks for keys in /etc not /etc/ssh
06:48 < cchamilt> brb
06:51 < mnemoc> if that's true, it's a bug, $confdir is /etc/ssh
06:53 < mnemoc> but iirc etc/init.d is a symlink to etc/rc.d/init.d
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07:17 < cchamilt> Well my box is 1.3 rock.
07:18 < cchamilt> It came back up clean without moving inittab to look at /etc/rc.d/ which is good
07:18 < cchamilt> rock 1.x needs the boot script instead of the system script.
07:20 < cchamilt> So I will probably stick with /etc/init.d separate from rc.d and migrate scripts by hand.
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07:46 < mnemoc> good luck :)
07:58 < cchamilt> If it fails I will have to ship it here from California.  There is no way the techs there could help much with my 'software'.
07:58 < cchamilt> I would probably switch to colocating it here in .sg.
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08:08 < scythe_> good morning
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08:17 < mnemoc> moin scythe_ 
08:29 < esden> 9th stage ... very well
08:29 < esden> I can now start a bootdisc build
08:32 < mnemoc> =)
08:32 < mnemoc> go for it
08:38 < esden> mnemoc: :P ;)
08:54 < esden> mnemoc: which packages were failing?
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09:03 < jsaw> re
09:03 < esden> hi jsaw 
09:03 < jsaw> g'morning everybody
09:03 < jsaw> hi esden
09:03 < esden> morning morning ;)
09:04 < blindcoder> moin all
09:05 < blindcoder> brb, have to reboot to kill ROCK Linux state 'D' processes (again)
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09:06 < jsaw> ?
09:10 < mnemoc> esden: kiss, gzip, tar, here i got bored
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09:11 < blindcoder> rehi
09:11 < mnemoc> esden: because of missing stddef.h
09:11 < mnemoc> hi^3 blindcoder 
09:11 < mnemoc> moin jsaw 
09:11 < jsaw> blindcoder: D state?
09:12 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
09:12 < blindcoder> jsaw: I/O-wait, uninterruptable sleep
09:13 < jsaw> blindcoder: why then reboot? just wait... (2.4 I guess...)
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09:16 < blindcod1r> damn, fucking, lag
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09:16 < blindcoder> I've waited 13 hours before I rebooted
09:16 < blindcoder> that should have been enough time >_<
09:16 < jsaw> ohoh...
09:17 < jsaw> blindcoder: man, you are partient...
09:18 < blindcoder> no, asleep
09:18 < blindcoder> I came home and went to bed without checking on the build
09:18 < blindcoder> today when I got up I saw that it was stuck since 18:00 yesterday
09:23 < blindcoder> I love spam telling me how to kill spam...
09:23 < blindcoder> It's like getting a pop-up window trying to sell me a pop-up-blocker...
09:25 < esden> re blindcoder 
09:26 < blindcoder> re esden
09:26 < blindcoder> esden: had a look at the little thing I coded up?
09:26 < jsaw> blindcoder: Do you also want some "Latest {Microsoft,Net,Internet} {Updates,Patches}"? I can send you 500.
09:27 < blindcoder> jsaw: I wouldn't get them. They fly directly towards /dev/null
09:27 < blindcoder> :0B
09:27 < blindcoder> * ^Content.*name=.*\.(pif|exe|com)\"
09:27 < blindcoder> /dev/null
09:27 < blindcoder> :)
09:30 < esden> not besides what you have showed me ...
09:30 < esden> or better let me download ;)
09:30 < blindcoder> so you don't know what I'm talking about
09:31 < blindcoder> esden: read aktive/admin-mailinglist recently?
09:31 < esden> ahh you mean alias stuff ...
09:31 < esden> no not yet
09:31 < blindcoder> indeed
09:34 < cchamilt> rehi
09:34 < blindcoder> moin chris
09:35 < cchamilt> damn, no 3.2 gcc on my coloc.  ssh is segfaulting
09:37 < cchamilt> its the only real difference between chains, luckily only ssh appears effected.
09:38 < esden> re cchamilt 
09:38 < cchamilt> you still up?
09:38 < esden> ack
09:38 < esden> ;)
09:38 < esden> since yesterday 6 pm
09:38 < cchamilt> well that isnt that special then.
09:38 < cchamilt> :)
09:39 < esden> ok ... still two packets to be fixed iproute2 and dump
09:39 < esden> cchamilt: no not really 
09:39 < cchamilt> glad your fixing boot.
09:40 < cchamilt> ever get perl5 dieting?
09:43 < cchamilt> I am just curious how small it would be, don't think it would shrink much.
09:46 < esden> cchamilt: perl already dieted ;)
09:47 < cchamilt> how small?
09:47 < esden> in the next patch chunk it will be also in HEAD hopefully ;{
09:47 < esden> )
09:48 < cchamilt> I want to try cramfs it into my linksys router.
09:48 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/laptop/dietpatchgen/build# du -sh build/default-2.0.0-rc3-x86-dietlibc-expert/root/usr/bin/perl
09:48 < esden> 4.0M    build/default-2.0.0-rc3-x86-dietlibc-expert/root/usr/bin/perl
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09:48 < NULL_> moin
09:48 < esden> moin owl
09:48 < blindcoder>  moin nully
09:48 < esden> cchamilt: so perl is pretty big binary
09:48 < blindcoder> esden: statically linked?
09:48 < esden> that is the static linking
09:49 < blindcoder> okay
09:49 < esden> so that all perl modules are statically linked
09:49 * blindcoder off to the gym now
09:49 < cchamilt> yeah, i figure it will still be 4MB at least of fs.
09:49 < cchamilt> cya bc
09:49 < blindcoder> oh btw
09:49 < esden> but I started also working on dynamic linking .. but it will be a lot of work because I need to make gcc dynamic linking aware
09:50 < esden> have fun blindcoder 
09:50 < blindcoder> cchamilt: you can't assume that *.a is always a static library
09:50 < cchamilt> I saw your message.
09:50 < blindcoder> cchamilt: XFree86 has some nasty *.a files which it loads at run-time
09:50 < cchamilt> Just need to be more particular I guess.
09:50 < blindcoder> pcidata.a and bitmap.a being fine examples
09:51 < cchamilt> They probably are actually libraries and executables.
09:51 < blindcoder> cchamilt: just wanted to warn you about that, so as not to repeat the mistakes I made :)
09:51 < sjefen> anyone here familiar with isolinux?
09:51 < cchamilt> Thanks.
09:51 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ file /usr/lib/libtdb.a
09:51 < blindcoder> /usr/lib/libtdb.a: current ar archive
09:51 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
09:51 < blindcoder> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a: current ar archive
09:51 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ 
09:52 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off now, byebye
09:52 < cchamilt> bye
09:52 < sjefen> laters
09:53 < cchamilt> sjefen: blindcoder might have been able to help, he has done some recent bootdisk stuff.
09:53 < cchamilt> I have looked at what rock does, only know a little of it.
09:55 < sjefen> cchamilt : ok, well, I get "Cannot open root device". But I've found some good reading now, keeps me happy for an hour or so :)
09:56 < cchamilt> ok, well then you probably will know more than me soon. :)
09:56 < sjefen> :)
09:56 < NULL_> s/i like redhat/i hate redhat/
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10:23 < esden> aaaaaargh irnet_irda.c:1790: internal error: Segmentation fault
10:23 < esden> @#$%$%&%^*@$^ shit
10:28 < NULL_> hi esden
10:31 < cchamilt> man gcc build on my dual p2 gx takes forever.
10:33 < Aard> will anybody here be at the ccc regiotreff in erlangen this weekend?
10:34 * -> esden not
10:44 < NULL_> <- not, too
11:19 < NULL_> *yawn*
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12:18 < scythe_> hi
12:21 < NULL_> hi scythe_
12:22 < scythe_> there was some kind of problem with orwell.freenode.net i think...
12:41 < scythe_> ibm's 210 mips zSeries ifl can do a PII 400 in 31bit mode ;-)
12:57 * NULL_ waiting impatentientally for her pizza
13:13 < SMP> hmm. hi
13:13 < SMP> hi scythe_
13:13 < jsaw> bbl
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13:26 < scythe_> hi SMP
13:27 < scythe_> SMP: now we're moving to the 2 ifls (dedicated linux cpus), after that the build shall be restarted and be faster about 3 times...
13:29 < SMP> cool
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14:00 < daja77> moin
14:04 < NULL_> hi daja77
14:07 < daja77> hi NULL_ 
14:07 < NULL_> daja77, how are you?
14:07 < daja77> fine
14:08 < sjefen> anyone here played with ramdisks? :)
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14:17 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
14:18 < daja77> huhu blindy
14:19 < blindcoder> hi daja77 !
14:21 < blindcoder> okay, no *.a deletion this time :-)
14:21 < daja77> hehe
14:21 < blindcoder> Checking for *.err files ...
14:21 < blindcoder> -> None found. Good :-)
14:21 < blindcoder> -> Will now remove unnecessary directories.
14:21 < blindcoder> -> usr/doc
14:21 < blindcoder> -> usr/share/doc/
14:21 < blindcoder> -> usr/include/
14:22 < blindcoder> -> usr/info
14:22 < blindcoder> -> usr/share/info/
14:22 < blindcoder> -> usr/man
14:22 < blindcoder> -> usr/share/man/
14:22 < blindcoder> -> usr/src/
14:22 < blindcoder> -> usr/local/
14:22 < blindcoder> -> var/adm
14:22 < blindcoder> -> *.h
14:22 < blindcoder> anything I've forgotten?
14:23 < daja77> hmm dunno
14:24 < blindcoder> esden: ping!
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14:31 < blindcoder> okay, next test
14:33 < sjefen> anyone here tried to mount their root (/) as tmpfs?
14:43 < NULL_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-10.10.03-003/
14:51 < nookie> Haha NULL_ 
14:51 < NULL_> hi nookie
14:51 < nookie> Hi NULL_ :)
14:52 < NULL_> nookie, how are you?
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14:53 < freed> hi
14:54 < NULL_> hi freed
14:54 < freed> is rxr here?
14:55 < freed> we have a problem with samba and windows 2003 server
14:56 < NULL_> .oO(windows 2003 is something that is a problem, not to have a problem with)
14:57 < freed> i know ;) but many students "need" windows
14:57 < freed> i like bsd
14:58 < NULL_> hehe. why do they need windows? for gameing? do a 'format C:' on their hard drives, then the problems are solved ;p
14:58 < NULL_> which bsd ?
14:58 < blindcoder> well, the new Samba can mimic a Win2003 AFAIK, so where's the problem killing Win2k3?
14:59 < freed> freebsd
14:59 < NULL_> .oO(why did i guess that?)
14:59 < NULL_> btw, why not joining #rock-de and talking german there?
15:02 * blindcoder --> bitz
15:03 < NULL_> bye blindy
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15:10 < daja77> hi cap
15:11 < NULL_> hi Esel! :)
15:11 < Esel> Hi, daja77! Hi, NULL_!
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15:14 < Esel> Hi, Lorini!
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15:14 < Esel> Hi, annnakin!
15:14 < Lorini> hi Esel
15:14 < anakin^x> hi esel
15:19 < nookie> NULL_: Thank you, I'm fine
15:19 < nookie> <- Birthday today :)
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15:19 < NULL_> nookie, then, happy birthday ;)
15:19 < daja77> yeah the chan gets complete
15:19 < daja77> hi DeElsasser 
15:19 < NULL_> hi DeElsasser
15:20 < daja77> happy birthday nookie
15:20 < DeElsasser> hi all
15:20 < Lorini> yes, happy birthday 
15:20 < DeElsasser> what's new here?
15:21 < daja77> hmm good question
15:21 < Esel> nookie, häpi börsdäi!
15:21 < daja77> the chan gets some life atm, maybe that
15:23 < Esel> daja77, how is ROCK doing?
15:24 < DeElsasser> somebody here who sell (or better spend) time, I have no more ;-)
15:24 < daja77> haven't tested rc2 so far, but ml tells me it is still broken
15:24 < daja77> will try my luck with trunk
15:24 < Esel> rc3 is current, isn't it?
15:24 < daja77> DeElsasser: what have you done, while bein away
15:25 < NULL_> daja77, huh??? why still broken?
15:25 < NULL_> <-- is not on ml anymore
15:25 < DeElsasser> pfffffffff
15:25 < daja77> gnome problems, and bootdisk problems, but mnemoc & jsaw could tell you more
15:26 < DeElsasser> gnome sucks
15:26 < daja77> indeed
15:26 < DeElsasser> forza kde
15:26 < daja77> rofl
15:26 < Esel> But it's a got blowjob for Linux newbies.[tm]
15:26 < Esel> s/got/good/
15:30 < daja77> you could read the ml online btw
15:33 < DeElsasser> owl?
15:34 < NULL_> DeElsasser, ?
15:35 < DeElsasser> owl=NULL?
15:36 < DeElsasser> NULL_: what are you not eating today ;-))
15:37 < nookie> NULL_: thanks :)
15:37 < nookie> Esel: thanks :)
15:37 < nookie> daja77: thanks :)
15:41 < NULL_> DeElsasser, pizza
15:41 < NULL_> but now - off
15:41 < NULL_> bye
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15:43 < cchamilt> rehi
15:43 < daja77> hi cchamilt 
15:43 < cchamilt> Agh, fscking creepy!
15:43 < DeElsasser> daja77: I tried many thinks
15:44 < DeElsasser> goods and bads
15:44 < daja77> hm?
15:44 < cchamilt> sshd was segfaulting cause zlib was built with gcc 2 and my build of openssh need 3.2!
15:45 < daja77> O_o
15:45 < DeElsasser> daja77: you asked me what I done...
15:45 < cchamilt> Not something you want to find out randomly on a coloc in California.
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15:55 < cchamilt> crap the keygen system is still segfaulting and it is ldd clean. wtf?
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16:05 < sjefen> mtab contains mounted fs, right? so it should be empty when booting?
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16:13 < cchamilt> How to fsck can redhat/suse/etc. make clean systems with old rpms if I can't ssh's keygen to not segfault, but sshd is fine?
16:15 < cchamilt> sjefen: I think so. In what situation is it not empty?  On first boot of a new system?
16:16 < cchamilt> sjefen: It may not be if mounts can't be unmounted and so they are still listed and shutdown...
16:25 < sjefen> ok
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16:58 < scythe_> hi again
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19:50 < A-Tui> hi all
20:13 < netrunne1> hispaceallexclamationmark
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20:55 < jsaw_> re#2C#20hi#20all#21
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21:02 < tcr> moin all
21:03 < jsaw> hello!
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21:34 < cchamilt> tcr: what was the url for the free software discussion (mozilla crashed losing it)
21:35 < tcr> oekonux.org
21:35 < cchamilt> thanks
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21:48 < owl> moin
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21:51 < RaphaelL> good evening!
21:54 < owl> hi RaphaelL 
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