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--- Log opened Sun Oct 12 00:00:33 2003
00:05 < hannes> hiho
00:05 < owl> hi hannes !
00:13 < fake> hm. hannes tries to use antenne bayern chat...
00:13 < fake> >_<
00:14 < owl> *rofl*
00:14 < owl> kick him!
00:14 < owl> hit him!
00:14 < owl> bite him! :ppp
00:14 < owl> .oO(no, i'm not sadistic)
00:14 < fake> he's immune to punctuation and slashing...
00:15 < owl> hmmmmmmmmmm... why? might you should do it harder... 
00:15 < fake> he feels no pain
00:16 < owl> oh shit. 
00:16 < fake> he can't be reasoned with...
00:16 < owl> unpower his PC!
00:16 < fake> accu...
00:17 < owl> gnarf. even more shit
00:19 < owl> <- afk for enjoying animatrix-makeoff, drinking wine, and eating
00:19 < owl> bbl
00:19 < fake> have fun
00:20 < owl> thx. will have
00:31 < fake> ./evil.sh ?
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01:19 < rammi> hi rockers
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01:36 < owl> re
01:37 < daja77> hmm owl on knoppix
01:37 < owl> *cough* yes...
01:37 < daja77> :))
01:37 < owl> redhat was too aehm. crappy for my system... and debian is still in progress of being downloaded
01:38 < owl> daja77: ?
01:38 < daja77> oh nothing
01:38 < owl> .oO(but as i know me, i'll not be happy with debian, too. *gnarf*)
01:39 < owl> sure, and because of nothing you're smiling. so, good old daja, tell me why you're laughing
01:44 < daja77> just wondering what happened to your distro ...
01:44 < mnemoc> how was it called?
01:48 < owl> having no time, no motivation, no "lust", too depressed, to whatever
01:48 < owl> erebos
01:48 < daja77> ic
01:48 * daja77 off to bed now
01:48 < daja77> #cu
01:49 < owl> might i will do when i have a) my final exams finished, b) a new job/company , c) my driver's licence (if i am allowed to do), {d-z}
01:49 < owl> gn8 daja77 
01:50 < mnemoc> gn8 happyOwl
01:50 < mnemoc> mmm...
01:50 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
01:51 < mnemoc> owl: you need to sleep too ;)
01:51 < owl> mnemoc: why?
01:52 < owl> mnemoc: guess you should sleep first, you're elder than me. 
01:52 < mnemoc> :\
01:52 < mnemoc> i'm not old :'(   i'm NOT
01:52 < owl> j/k :P
01:52 < owl> hihi
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03:52 < fake> *sigh*
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11:38 < netrunner> moin
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12:32 * netrunner just noticed that rock does not support lvm/raid in the initscripts
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13:05 < daja77> moin
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13:29 < cytrinox`> moin
13:30 < daja77> hi cytrinox` 
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13:37 < daja77> moin knoppix
13:40 < owl> hi daja77 :p
13:40 < daja77> :)
13:40 < owl> <- already got iso2 of 7 *cry*
13:40 < daja77> why isos, do a netinstall
13:41 < owl> with isdn? and: my bf wants debian, too ;p
13:43 < daja77> bad luck for you
13:45 < owl> *kick*
13:46 < daja77> i am immune to your kicks :)
13:46 < daja77> btw rock has only 3 isos :))
13:47 < owl> daja77: pah ;P *punch* 
13:47 < owl> yeah... rock... no rock anymore... 
13:48 < daja77> as you wish
13:49 < daja77> kicking and punching, good that i left ingolstadt some weeks ago ...
13:49 < owl> hehe ;p fake wouldn't have did this, i guess :p
13:50 < daja77> no indeed
13:52 * daja77 fears owl
13:53 < owl> hihi. :p
13:57 * daja77 should fear every angry 1.80 women i guess 
14:00 < Aard> moin
14:01 < daja77> moin Aard good to see you again
14:02 < Aard> is it?
14:03 < daja77> yes
14:03 < daja77> better than kicking owls :))
14:03 < Aard> daja77: *kick* ;)
14:04 < daja77> hmm ic, nobody likes me :)
14:06 < blindcoder> better than only have people pretend that they like you...
14:08 < daja77> hehe
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14:14 * netrunner noticed that when you install console only, some progs fail to start missing X libs :(
14:21 < owl> hi Aard 
14:22 < owl> daja77: sure. and even more: angry, 180, owls (who have eat some minutes ago)
14:23 < Aard> hi owlthingy
14:24 < owl> Aard: ???
14:24 * owl kicks Aard until he dies
14:24 < Aard> owl: !!!
14:24 < owl> Aard: !?!
14:26 < Aard> -> breakfast
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14:26 < owl> Aard: guten hunger
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14:34 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,269038,00.html
14:39 < owl> .oO(god, i feel so bored)
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14:42 < owl> hi Esel ! ;p
14:43 < Esel> Hi, Eule! :P
14:51 < blindcoder> owl: that article doesn't really tell anything new
14:53 < owl> hmmmm. it tells new scientific erkenntnisse because they found out which parts of the brain are working while shit happens
14:54 < blindcoder> so I now know that a part of the right part o my brain is active when I interact with humans. Unfortunately that doesn't help me in any way
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14:56 < owl> hm. migth you should go to university, study bio-chemie and develop pills which disable this part of brain
14:57 < blindcoder> I could also chop it out with an axe
14:58 < owl> that would not be good, person would be that and would not be that usable for work/society/country/etc. than with disabled brain *cough*
14:59 < blindcoder> a society of people who only talk to you when they need something sucks anyway
14:59 < owl> blindcoder: a society of brainless,ignorant,intolerant,surfaced,geld-macht-konsume-geile people. 
15:00 < owl> but - they're also other countries, and not every country's society is as horrible as germany's one
15:00 < blindcoder> too bad that we're not living ther
15:00 < blindcoder> e
15:01 < owl> yeah, but you have the chance to move...
15:01 < blindcoder> and then?
15:01 < owl> (imho even moving to another bundesland helps a lot... bayern and bawue are horrible)
15:01 < blindcoder> start the cycle again?
15:02 < owl> not really... escape it. start from begin of cycle and break through it
15:02 < blindcoder> if only it were so easy
15:02 < owl> why isn't it, in your opinion?
15:03 < blindcoder> after three complete change of friends and always the same shit happening, I'm quite sure that it isn't
15:03 < owl> heh, look - e.g. in bavaria, you're often only allowed to speak, if you're "in", looking good and you're fitting into the people's opinion of a "perfect person", in berlin etc. the people are more open-minded.
15:04 < owl> yes, but you should sort out your friends and then see who really are _friends_ and who are only wannabes
15:04 < blindcoder> well, then I would be quite alone
15:04 < owl> quite alone is better than totally alone
15:05 < blindcoder> no differencu
15:05 < blindcoder> s/u/e
15:05 < owl> why?
15:05 < Esel> (interesting conversation)
15:05 < blindcoder> because I meant cempletely alone
15:05 < owl> Esel: why?
15:06 < owl> blindcoder: hmmm. then you might should search another people who you could see as friends. cancel the old friendships (of most) and look for new one.
15:06 < blindcoder> see, that's the poblem. no one wants to be my friend
15:07 < netrunner> anybody here who can share a halflife cdkey?
15:08 < owl> blindcoder: wrong. no one of the people who are surrounded mostly with, wants to be your friend
15:08 < owl> netrunner: sorry, no. i'm no gamer
15:08 < Esel> Owl, what you say is mostly true: People's attitudes in Bavaria compared to northern are horribly differing, and same with Germany compared to another country like Brazil/Russia/whatsoever-non-german.
15:08 < Esel> netrunner, me :)
15:09 < blindcoder> the problem is, that no matter what I try, it's always other people being happy
15:10 < Esel> blindcoder, is true happiness so simple as just "being happy"?
15:10 < owl> Esel: sure. guess in other countries the people are more helpful there and so... or e.g. in berlin - /me went once out for a day, and was in a club and so and found 2 new friends there and so... --> easy. and in bavaria i have just one real friend - and this is my bf. 
15:10 < blindcoder> Esel: I haven't had either for years
15:11 < Esel> blindcoder, maybe that is because you are looking for it?
15:11 < blindcoder> what else should I do?
15:11 < blindcoder> lock myself up in a dark room?
15:11 < owl> blindcoder: yeah. but if you don't tell them, that you're not happy and/or what you exactly want, then you are the one, who will be always unhappy (or as my ex-psychologist said: "no relationship etc. can be ok for a longer time, if something isn't acceptable for you...")
15:11 < blindcoder> owl: well, THEY FUCKING DON'T CARE!
15:12 < blindcoder> usually that's also the moment they stop talking to me at al
15:12 < blindcoder> so I stopped telling them so that I'm not alone _AGAIN_
15:13 < blindcoder> if you tell someone that you don't like something about him, he's going to blame you for it and tell you to guck off
15:13 < Esel> blindcoder, to say it philosophically "plainly do nothing but do", so plainly say it "what is happiness anyway? can i eat it?".
15:13 < blindcoder> Esel: happyness is the will to live
15:13 < owl> blindcoder: then just say them, if they are running to you and crying about their problems, that you're not a "kummerkasten", give them a adress or so of a "seelsorgtelefon", turn around and walk away from them. 
15:14 < blindcoder> owl: yeah, and be the bad guy and completely alone the next day
15:14 < blindcoder> Esel: a will, that is only benig held upright in me by my parents.
15:15 < owl> blindcoder: then you see, that they're not the people you should think about. then they're the idiots
15:15 < blindcoder> owl: everyone is like that, even you.p
15:15 < owl> blindcoder: huh? why?
15:16 < blindcoder> owl: well, I can remember telling you that I don't care about you're problems with politicians if you don't even plan to do something against it. You're reaction was to get angry at me, shout at me, and then tell me to just stop talking to you if I don't like you.
15:17 < Esel> blindcoder, seems you have nice parents. Well, only thing I can tell you from experience is happiness is the positive value of unhappiness, nothing more or less.
15:17 < blindcoder> and something like that happened more than once or twice
15:17 < owl> blindcoder: that's another story
15:17 < blindcoder> owl: why? it's telling someone what I don't like about that person.
15:18 < owl> blindcoder: it depends on how to tell the person that fact
15:18 < owl> you can tell him/her, that you don't like that, but you don't have to offend the person
15:18 < blindcoder> 15:01 < owl> blindcoder: then just say them, if they are running to you and crying about their problems, that you're not a "kummerkasten", give them a adress or so of a "seelsorgtelefon", turn around and walk away from them.
15:19 < blindcoder> behaviour like that sounds pretty offending to me
15:19 < owl> blindcoder: that's something completely different. if someone is telling you stuff which hurts you, then offend the person, but not normally
15:19 < owl> but anyways, my bf and /me will go for a bicycle-tour. bbl
15:20 < blindcoder> bye
15:20 < Esel> Have fun, owl!
15:20 < blindcoder> I'll go back to bed
15:20 < owl> thx, will have. bye, Esel , blindcoder .
15:20 < Esel> Leet dreams, blindy!
15:37 < daja77> hi Esel 
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15:53 < Esel> Hey, daja77!
15:53 < daja77> hey :)
15:54 < Esel> We had a russian Pilmeni-like meal today ;-)
15:54 < Esel> Only the wodka was missing..
15:57 < daja77> i was not invited anyway, so ...
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16:08 < mnemoc> re
16:09 < Esel> daja77, me neither, i just joined my birthday meal after everyone finished :p
16:09 < Esel> Hi, mnemoc. ..and bye.
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16:09 < mnemoc> bye :(
16:10 < mnemoc> is wifi == 802.11b?
16:13 < daja77> quick poll: which is the best icq client on linux
16:13 < Aard> daja77: all icq clients suck
16:14 < daja77> which sucks less?
16:14 < mnemoc> kopete sucks more :(
16:14 < mnemoc> (i hate the author)
16:14 < daja77> hehe indeed
16:14 < daja77> you know him?
16:15 < mnemoc> we study the same
16:15 < daja77> oh so you use which client?
16:16 < mnemoc> trillian ;)
16:16 < daja77> will have a look at it
16:16 < Aard> daja77: I'm using centericq (can run inside of a screen)
16:16 < mnemoc> u will need to use wine
16:16 < daja77> used licq so far, but it died like a hero
16:17 < daja77> wine :((
16:18 < Aard> daja77: my main problem is that all icq-clients out there are c++. the c libicq misses all protocol changes since 2000 -> currently  useless
16:18 < mnemoc> gaim's too?
16:19 < Aard> mnemoc: aim != icq
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16:19 < mnemoc> aaa... i heard gaim was supporting it :/
16:19 < daja77> gaim can do icq but this is a crap client
16:19 < daja77> using it atm
16:19 < mnemoc> ok :)
16:20 < owl> re
16:20 < mnemoc> wb happyOwl
16:20 < daja77> looks horrible and the userinterface was made in hell
16:20 < owl> thx. *grrr* 
16:20 < blindcoder> licq. period.
16:21 < owl> full ack. and if "no space left on device" --> "remove all stuff about gaim"
16:21 < owl> centericq
16:21 < daja77> yeah used that but it died and forgot about its libraries
16:21 < daja77> i mean licq
16:21 < blindcoder> works like a charm here
16:21 < daja77> it did until today too
16:22 < daja77> narf
16:22 < Aard> maybe one can extract a usable c-libicq from the gaim project...
16:22 < daja77> fefe is adding c++ to dietlibc, no?
16:23 < Aard> daja77: currently not. 
16:24 < daja77> ic
16:24 < daja77> ok licq works again after i told it to use qt-interface instead of kde-interface
16:24 < daja77> wtf
16:26 < blindcoder> kde libs are bitchy
16:26 < blindcoder> not only in licq but anywhere
16:26 < daja77> the seem to get lost somewhere
16:26 < daja77> they
16:26 < blindcoder> rebuild them
16:26 < daja77> not today, please!
16:26 < blindcoder> hihi
16:27 < daja77> building rock atm
16:29 < daja77> is it possible to export buddy list from licq to centericq or sth
16:29 < blindcoder> I know oy the other way round, after all, who'd do something like that :)
16:33 < daja77> anyone tried gabber?
16:33 < esden> hi all
16:33 < esden> who messed up ncurses!!!!
16:33 < esden> >_<
16:33 < mnemoc> :o
16:34 < blindcoder> I just fixed it.
16:34 < esden> someone was messing around with location of libncurses.so or so ... ncurses is not compiling correctly beause something can not find libncurses.so.5
16:34 < daja77> hi esden, good to have you back
16:34 < esden> blindcoder: ahh very well
16:34 < esden> daja77: ?
16:34 < daja77> well all were gone this week, you, rxr ..
16:35 < blindcoder> esden: the install wrapper can't find it
16:35 < blindcoder> because of:
16:35 < mnemoc> fsck... bootdisk don't build neither on rc1 :(
16:35 < blindcoder> rm -f $(dst); $(INSTALL) $(src) $(dst)
16:35 < esden> mnemoc: bootdisc is compiling here ...
16:36 < blindcoder> $(INSTALL) points to the install wrapper which is executable #!/bin/sh which in turn needs libncurses.so.5
16:36 < mnemoc> esden: do u want to mail me your pub key? ;)
16:36 < esden> mnemoc: o_O ... why this ... you can get it from a keyserver ...
16:37 < mnemoc> to give you root access here :)
16:37 < esden> ahh you mean ssh pub key ...
16:37 < mnemoc> yes, ssh2 pub key
16:38 < esden> I have not the time to work on your bootdisk problems at the moment ...
16:38 < esden> sorry
16:38 < mnemoc> :'(
16:39 < mnemoc> if you share a .tar.bz2 of your builddir i would be happy enough
16:39 < mnemoc> =)
16:41 < esden> my builddir is 2.7G big
16:42 < SMP> daja77: yes, I tried gabber
16:42 < daja77> SMP: you liked it, can it do icq as well?
16:42 < mnemoc> your bootdisk builddir???
16:43 < esden> mnemoc: the bootdisc builddir is 990MB big
16:43 < SMP> daja77: you can share your buddy list across icq clients if you use a server-side list - most modern clients to that (by default)
16:43 < daja77> ah k.
16:43 < SMP> daja77: it's a good Jabber client, but I hate the user interface
16:44 < daja77> what client do you prefer?
16:45 < SMP> daja77: I was refering to gabber. it (just as any Jabber client) can do ICQ if you have a server with an icq gateway transport
16:46 < SMP> daja77: but I don't like Jabber transports. at least the jabber.org jabberd AIM gateway has a stupid bug that truncates messages at an '&' sign
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16:47 < SMP> and AFAIK the latest ICQ protocol is identical to the AIM protocol
16:48 < daja77> licq gets on my nerves
16:48 * SMP likes licq
16:49 < daja77> it has forgotten my alias, narf
16:49 < daja77> and i can't update it, strange
16:50 < daja77> hmm
16:50 < daja77> anyway, i will not bother you with that shit any longer
16:50 < SMP> it's a bit awkward sometimes, yes, but the UI is OK for me and I can disable the server-side buddy list and have people in my buddy list without getting their permission
16:54 < daja77> when i enable server side buddy list, the list is transmitted immediately?
16:56 < SMP> what do you mean by 'transmitted'?
16:56 < daja77> to the server
16:57 < SMP> licq syncs the local and server list, immediately, yes
16:58 < daja77> ok thx
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17:02 < rxr> re
17:04 < rxr> hi all
17:04 < daja77> welcome rxr
17:05 < mnemoc> wb rxr
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17:19 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: you just got a mail (rock-linux)
17:19 < rxr> daja77: yes hi
17:20 < rxr> my current enjoyful real-life is keeping me away from ROCK work - but the next days this will "normalize" again ...
17:23 < mnemoc> re
17:25 < mnemoc> detect-mirror is called just when you actually do a download
17:25 < mnemoc> that's 'always' on the second level, and not necesarily the first call to download_file
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20:25 < mnemoc> maybe we should be detect-mirror to 'core' script, and not inside download-file
20:25 < mnemoc> s/be/move/
20:25 < daja77> rxr: I am glad to hear that you have a good real life
20:25 < daja77> this motivates a lot when doin work again :)
20:25 < mnemoc> i need wifi before trying to get 'real' life :( i'm on a bunker here but have a big garden
20:25 < daja77> speaking of real life, when can we congrat to daughter #2 ?
20:25 < mnemoc> 24.1.04
20:25 < daja77> ah :)
20:25 < mnemoc> i have time to get the money ;)
20:25 < daja77> i hope to enjoy rl a bit more when meeting my girl tomorrow
20:25 < mnemoc> did u meet her before?
20:25 < daja77> yes 2 moths ago
20:25 < daja77> months
20:25 * daja77 off now
20:25 < daja77> ttyl
20:25 < mnemoc> good luck
20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
20:25 < daja77> thx
20:25 < rxr> hmpong
20:25 < mnemoc> :)
20:25 < mnemoc> i was answering the mail, but here is faster
20:25 < mnemoc> detect-mirror is currently called only when you actually do a download (download_file) and that's always on '2nd-run', may be we should me it to '1st-run' core script.
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20:25 < rxr> mom
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20:25 < rxr> mnemoc: ah ok - but this temp file is not that clean ...
20:25 < rxr> I'm off in half an hour again - but I think I'll be online later and also apply more patches from the list ...
20:25 < mnemoc> ok
20:25 < mnemoc> maybe moving detect-proxy inside the -1st-run 'if' is the cleanest
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20:25 < rxr> 1ok - hopefully I see you later tonight ...
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20:25 < tcr> Damn holy shit! I b0rked up my system
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20:25 < tcr> Anyone experience with lvm on root partition?
20:25 < mnemoc> i want to do exactly that, so you will teach me ;)
20:25 < tcr> it worked some hours ago, but then I updated to 2.6 and by mistake created a new initrd even for the old kernel
20:25 < mnemoc> is it safe to use lvm as root?
20:25 < owl> lalala. this family is soooooo great. i'm _HATING_ my fscking parents!
20:25 < mnemoc> sadly you can't change them
20:25 < mnemoc> you only can ignore them
20:25 < owl> yes :-(
20:25 < owl> ignore if they're screaming so loud that you hear them even in the cellar?
20:25 < mnemoc> uhm... only economic independence will safe you
20:25 < owl> yes. and economic independence is impossible when you get about 500 euro/month (and have to pay > 150 euro for taking the train) and so
20:25 < owl> and it's also impossible after my fscking training... because i don't think that i will find a new job
20:25 < mnemoc> how much should you pay for getting a room/bed properly located?
20:25 -!- brnx [bruno@charlebourg-1-81-57-17-7.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:25 < owl> over 400 euro (in munich)... and then you have to get food and so, too... 
20:25 < owl> --> not well
20:25 < owl> _if_ you get a flat... (but that's not really easy in munich)
20:25 < brnx> hello, I'm looking for information about sparc port
20:25 < mnemoc> rolla?
20:25 < mnemoc> brnx: what kind of information?
20:25 < brnx> I have a sun blade 150 and want to install a linux dist
20:25 < brnx> I try a debain and get a MMU access miss msg
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20:25 < mnemoc> there is no rock iso available for sparc, but you can build the cross base of rock for that arch, install it and build your config localy
20:25 < brnx> ok
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20:25 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/arch-sparc/2003-09-24/
20:25 < mnemoc> mmm... last regression was not good
20:25 < mnemoc> but i think the problem was fixed
20:25 < owl> regression?
20:25 < brnx> mnemoc, will it be possible to build it in a solaris env ?
20:25 < mnemoc> you need devfs to build rock
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20:25 < brnx> ok, I will try ... thanks
20:25 < mnemoc> good luck.... and keep as informed ;)
20:25 < mnemoc> s/as/us/
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20:25 < tcr> Fuck, fuck, fuck! It will just not work
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20:25 < owl> re
20:25 < nookie> tcr: Calm down.
20:25 < tcr> I won't
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20:25 < owl> argh
20:25 < nookie> Does someone knows a good university (technical) for international students?
20:25 < nookie> daja77: Maybe you?
20:25 < esden> ping blindcoder 
20:28 < nookie> Hola esden :)
20:29 < esden> hola nookie como estas?
20:30 < nookie> muy bien
20:30 < nookie> gracias, y usted?
20:30 < daja77> re
20:30 < esden> bien gracias
20:30 < daja77> nookie: which subject?
20:30 < esden> hola daja77!
20:31 < esden> como estas mi amigo?
20:31 < nookie> daja77: Technical Informatic and Business
20:31 < daja77> O_o esden speaking spanish
20:31 < esden> ohh I am only trying to
20:31 < daja77> nookie: s/Informatic/computer science
20:31 < esden> my spanish is terrible
20:31 < nookie> daja77: oks
20:31 < nookie> :)
20:31 < daja77> my father is back from poland
20:32 < esden> greet him from me ;)
20:32 < esden> ok ... I go hunting ... cu l8er
20:32 < daja77> ok :)
20:32 < daja77> cu
20:32 < nookie> bye esden 
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20:47 < mnemoc> esden: como estas amigo mio? <-- better
20:47 < mnemoc> but 'mi amigo' esta bien
20:48 < mnemoc> and instead of 'usted' you should use 'tu'
20:48 < mnemoc> usted is the formal way
20:48 < tcr> DAMN GOD 
20:48 < mnemoc> bbl
20:48 < tcr> damn fucking it's working now
20:49 < daja77> erh hi tcr
20:49 < tcr> huahah... you know what has been the reason? 
20:49 < daja77> nope
20:49 < tcr> that I symlinked bash to bash2.05
20:50 < tcr> blubb that broke lvmcreate_initrd and that has cost me three hours to figure out now
20:50 < tcr> I'm in rage now
20:50 < tcr> I need something to destroy
20:50 < mnemoc> the monitor?
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20:51 < tcr> wow, wrath makes one feel so unboundly powerful
20:51 < cchamilt> hi
20:51 < cchamilt> rxr:?
20:51 < tcr> moin cchamilt
20:52 < cchamilt> hi tcr
20:52 * tcr slowly calming down again
20:52 < mnemoc> cchamilt: rxr is having real life
20:52 < daja77> and mnemoc is frightened of this :)
20:53 < A-Tui> when make fails and return an error number, is it representative about the error?
20:53 < cchamilt> need to suggest some 'fixes' to make apache a usable server sometime.
20:53 < cchamilt> it is in make's error list yes. ie. 127 is missing file.
20:54 < A-Tui> cchamilt: ok, thanks
20:54 < tcr> BTW. I tried to do a build with bash3.0-alpha, but I switched over to 2.05b after realizing that the new version makes at least gcc3 not compile (due to some misterious bug)
20:55 * cchamilt compiled apache 10 times today to get a mod_auth_gss_krb5 module to work and still segs.
20:57 < tcr> cchamilt: Lucky you. I tried to update to 2.6-test7 and by accident run lvmcreate_initrd for the old kernel which fucked up my whole system. I spent 3 hours in investigating and the cause was just that I linked /bin/bash to /bin/bash2.05b and that broke the lvmcreate_initrd script
20:57 < tcr> and 2.6 doesn't still run
21:07 < daja77> we should rename the chan into #systembreakers ...
21:10 < netrunner> buna sara
21:11 < daja77> hm?
21:12 * netrunner learning romanian :)
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21:13 < cchamilt> um, does hook priority go up or down ie. 9 being first or 1 being first processed?
21:14 < daja77> iirc 1 is processed first
21:15 < cchamilt> I thought so too, something strange here.
21:15 * A-Tui is away: Eskorbuto al parlamento
21:19 < tcr> hmm I like the new build system of the kernel
21:20 < cchamilt> mnemoc: Ever thought of adding an init for openvpn?
21:29 < fake> hm, openvpn ships one
21:29 < fake> and hi, btw ;)
21:31 < esden> re hi all
21:35 < cchamilt> hi fake esden
21:35 < cchamilt> openvpn's isnt rock clean, nor does the current package setup /etc/openvpn stuff.
21:36 < cchamilt> need some sort of stone module too then I guess.
21:40 < fake> yes.
21:40 < fake> especially as the init-script must make sure tun is loaded - which i don't want to be loaded by some init script.
21:40 < fake> but by my kernel module load selection (/etc/conf/kernel)
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21:43 < cchamilt> It would need to add tun aliases in devfs correctly so that the init 'incidently' might load tun.  As well as walk through cert making. That would be a big script.
21:44 * netrunner kicking ntop on his lap while playing hl on his mini while watching tv
21:45 * cchamilt has apache loaded with all its modules finally.  Now testing if openldap segs.
21:49 * A-Tui is back (gone 00:33:32)
21:49 * cchamilt being dumb and forgeting how to pass var names (not vars)
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21:52 < netrunner> anybody can give me a clue with the error "gd_wbmp.c:183: structure has no member named `free'"?
21:52 < netrunner>  .o( one day I should finally learn c ;)
21:53 < daja77> not without seeing the code
21:53 < cchamilt> go to line 183 and see what struct is being called.
21:54 < netrunner>         im = gdImageCreateFromWBMPCtx( in );
21:54 < netrunner>         in->free(in);
21:54 < netrunner> 182/183
21:54 < cchamilt> what is in declared as (usually the top of function)
21:55 * cchamilt notes remote debugging is silly.
21:55 < netrunner> cchamilt: hey sorry, you can try compile ntop yourself :) I just wanted to build it here, since I did it at work and made no (major) problems under solaris8
21:56 < netrunner> this is the gd library compile run, that is supplied by ntop ...
21:56 < cchamilt> no big deal, I will help you just for the heck of it.  just don't expect much.
21:57 < cchamilt> It is just unlikely to get anywhere.
21:57 < netrunner> what is that in->free(in) thing, something like a function call 
21:57 < netrunner> ?
21:57 < cchamilt> This looks like c++
21:58 < daja77> ack had the same thought
21:58 < cchamilt> unless macros have gotten really interesting.
21:59 < cchamilt> in should be declared somewhere as an object type of some sort (ie. bob_object * in;)
22:01 < cchamilt> Then go find where the bob_object is defined (in a header usually).  Something is wrong in its definition.
22:02 < cchamilt> It is getting overwritten by wrongly included headers probably.
22:03 < cchamilt> There may be warning up farther in the build complaining of missing definition or overwriting the def.
22:03 < netrunner> aha, 'in' is a 'gdImagePtr' ... trying to find where that is declared
22:04 < netrunner> cchamilt: no, I just read calls for gcc up to the point I quoted.
22:05 < cchamilt> hmm.  Well see if gdImage has a method called free.
22:11 < netrunner> I found a typedef struct gdImageStruct { } gdImage; in gd.h ... but there are only variables 
22:12 < cchamilt> no function-like creatures?
22:14 < netrunner> no. not in that typedef thing.
22:16 < tcr> Ask the maintainer. Remote debugging is too tedious
22:16 < netrunner> sure. thanks for your time!
22:16 < cchamilt> yeah, I am looking at rocks libgd and am clueless where a method call comes in.  It is a pure struct.
22:18 < cchamilt> I have a fix to try
22:18 < cchamilt> gdFree(in); instead of the c++'y in->free(in);
22:19 < cchamilt> sometimes people forget what language they are writing in (or their own apis)
22:19 < cchamilt> gnome people were infamous for doing this in gnome 1.4.
22:26 < cchamilt> dont know. pointing -> at structy bits are fine, but I didn't know you could free a struct by ->free'ing itself.
22:28 < netrunner> cchamilt: I just found a major increased version of gd ... the one I had came with ntop and seems old. but on the other hand it compiled under solaris8 ... 
22:28 < netrunner> I try now to do it with the most recent version of gd.
22:29 < cchamilt> Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.  I am weak at c stuff anymore.
22:29 < netrunner> cchamilt: I don't know anything about it :) don't worry
22:33 * netrunner uses the compile time for playing hl :)
22:57 < cchamilt> apache with ldap or kerberos based authentication appears to segfault.  It has to be some sort of library flakyness, probably db3/db4 related.
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23:31 < cchamilt> Whatever happened to glibc22 options?
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23:56 * netrunner gives up for today, work tomorrow early :(
23:56 < netrunner> n8 *
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