--- Log opened Tue Oct 21 00:00:42 2003
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00:08 < tcr> moin all
00:08 * tcr watching anime on vox. Just for those who're interested (blindcoder?)
00:20 < menschenfresser> gn8
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03:30 < mnemoc> re
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04:54 < rphillips> I'm reading the documentation, and something isn't entirely clear to me... I would like to create a custom ISO, but can I tweak scripts, add applications, etc before I generate the ISO?
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07:33 < Pyro> hello.
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09:12 < Pyro> saludos awacs
09:12 < awacs> um
09:12 < awacs> hi Pyro
09:12 < awacs> who r u ?
09:13 < Pyro> yet someone else from CR, and you are?
09:13 < awacs> someone of destine unknown
09:13 < Pyro> lol, interesting
09:13 < Pyro> well Mr. unknown you can call me Mike.
09:14 < awacs> hack-sol server have some troubles..
09:14 < Pyro> really?
09:14 < awacs> nice to see u are expanding posibilities within colombia..
09:14 < Pyro> deal is off
09:14 < awacs> check ur mail for example.. hehe
09:15 < awacs> i saw some linux courses at gigax web site
09:15 < Pyro> awacs: yes but things are not looking good.
09:15 < Pyro> awacs: and yeah i know of the relaying thing.. things are temporary there
09:15 < awacs> ah ok.
09:15 < Pyro> awacs: why this weird nick?
09:16 < awacs> dunno. maybe cause of the weird things that used to happen with me..
09:16 < Pyro> awacs: hehe.. well you almost made me confuse you with my mentor.
09:16 < Pyro> awacs: lets go to a query
09:17 < awacs> and why ur stinky nick Pyro ? hehe
09:17 < awacs> sure
09:17 < Pyro> awacs: thats what happens when you have so many friends from Bavaria and San Ramon 
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09:20 < awacs> i see
09:20 < Pyro> :P
09:21 < menschenfresser> moin
09:21 < awacs> hi menschenfresser
09:22 < menschenfresser> hi awacs 
09:22 < awacs> btw.. im interested to a binary 1.7 to try it..
09:22 < Pyro> i could make a 2.0 for you 
09:22 < menschenfresser> 1.7?
09:23 < awacs> 2.0.. ive missed some things here :p
09:23 < Pyro> menschenfresser: holy scheisse whats that nick dear?
09:23 < Pyro> awacs: 2.0rc3 ...
09:23 < menschenfresser> Pyro: *lol* this nick means that i'm eating human :p
09:23 < Pyro> eat me eat me
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09:23 < cannibal> :p
09:23 < awacs> mike is a big piece of meat
09:23 < cannibal> nope
09:23 < awacs> hehe
09:24 < awacs> so mike could u build or lend me a rock iso.. the most coolest one.. no time for me in building linux distributions now...
09:25 < Pyro> awacs: sure .. i think i could start one build in a few hours
09:25 < Pyro> awacs: you can come over in lets say 2 days..
09:25 < awacs> oh, nice
09:25 < Pyro> considering that i have to build generic and install targets
09:25 < awacs> where are u building now ? got a personal lab or at home or where ?
09:26 < Pyro> at my own office
09:27 < cannibal> .oO(what did i want to do? *argh*)
09:27 < Pyro> awacs: i quitted crnet some months ago to work on my own..
09:27 < Pyro> cannibal: to drink some apple tea.. ?
09:27 < awacs> who is cannibal.. seems me familiar with someone..
09:27 < awacs> whois cannibal
09:28 < Pyro> awacs: eule..
09:28 < awacs> is owl still alive ?
09:29 < Pyro> awacs: .. owl = cannibal...
09:30 < awacs> hehe, since i heard several times those feelings of be dead from owl...
09:30 < awacs> well, i wont fill space anymore in the logs..
09:30 < awacs> cu guys
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09:32 < Pyro> crazy folk..
09:32 < Pyro> cannibal: whata re you doing?
09:34 < cannibal> Pyro: nah. not now... my rucksack is equipped with a can of apple-tea, but this is for the "messe" i will visit later and so...
09:34 < Pyro> hehe ok :)
09:35 < Pyro> [anders]_: Hej!
09:45 < [anders]_> lo Pyro :)
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09:46 < cannibal> hi [anders] 
11:12 < daja77> moin
11:12 < Pyro> greetings daja77 :)
11:13 < daja77> :)
11:15 < daja77> greatings Mike 
11:15 < daja77> greetings even
11:15 < Pyro> Wie geht's Daniel?
11:16 < daja77> i am ok
11:16 < Pyro> no longer sick? :)
11:17 < daja77> only a bit
11:17 < Pyro> mmm.. :( 
11:18 < Pyro> i hope you get well soon
11:18 < daja77> i am working on that
11:18 < daja77> :)
11:18 < Pyro> good :) keep ficking :) i mean working
11:18 < daja77> O_o
11:19 < Pyro> jk
11:19 < daja77> :)
11:19 < Pyro> i'm in a very good mood today
11:20 < daja77> that's great but why are you Pyro then
11:20 < Pyro> i'm considering to keep it as my main nick.
11:20 < cannibal> <- away for systems
11:21 < Pyro> cannibal: ok have fun
11:21 < cannibal> thx.
11:21 < cannibal> bye
11:21 < Pyro> cannibal: don't forget ur apple tea
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11:35 < Pyro> hi blindy!
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11:35 * netrunner is now known as himself
11:35 < Pyro> yeah sure nety :P
11:36 < daja77> hi yourself
11:37 < Pyro> he is not myself.. he is himself
11:37 < Pyro> correct yourself.
11:37 < daja77> hello himself
11:37 * Pyro *grins*
11:38 < daja77> next time he is herself ...
11:40 < Pyro> you think so?
11:40 < daja77> well ...
11:41 < Pyro> does it mean owl will be itself?
11:42 < daja77> guess that's for sure
11:45 < Pyro> yeah..
11:50 * netrunner plays with himself
11:51 < rxr> re
11:51 < rxr> hi Pyro!
11:52 < rxr> hi all
11:52 < daja77> hi rxr :)
11:53 < Pyro> good day rxr
11:54 < Pyro> rxr: so i have started a rock linux build.. spect reports soon.
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11:54 < rxr> hi jsaw 
11:54 < jsaw> re
11:54 < jsaw> hi rxr
11:54 < jsaw> hi all
11:55 < Pyro> hi jsaw
11:55 < daja77> hi jsaw 
11:56 < jsaw> this is going to be a pretty busy semester...
11:57 < Pyro> oh God.. 4 am.. yet another day staying up late..
11:58 < jsaw> (two afternoons supervising physics practical course for biologists...)
12:03 < rxr> jsaw: ;-)
12:07 < jsaw> rxr: yes, sounds funny... and indeed, it is. Not only due to the biologists<->physicists thing, there are 30 missing supervisors for all the physics practical courses (for biologists, physicians and physicists themselves)... coordination chaos contributes to the fun by, say 33%... hehe
12:17 < rxr> jsaw: committing the gnome24 changes now is fine ?
12:17 < jsaw> yep. Once it's in, I'll commit some more fixes. But still we have to discuss the xml problem...
12:20 < jsaw> rxr: btw circular dependencies, changing the flistrfilter in Build-Pkg to
12:20 < jsaw> flistrfilter="ldconfig\..*:    .*|.*:  /var/adm/.*|.*/pkgconfig/.*\.pc"
12:20 < jsaw> solve most of the problems.
12:21 < jsaw> (space instead of line-break showed here on screen)
12:33 < cchamilt> hi all
12:33 < jsaw> hi there
12:34 < Pyro> good day cchamilt
12:34 < Pyro> cchamilt: well evening in ur case..
12:34 < cchamilt> yes.
12:34 < Pyro> ;)
12:34 < cchamilt> pyro: How are things?
12:35 < Pyro> cchamilt: everything great thanks, and yourself?
12:35 < cchamilt> Im OK, I have heimdal dropin ready (not test with mozilla though).
12:36 < cchamilt> I want to do a boot with evms and make sure it works on the bootdisk yet.
12:36 < Pyro> sounds fun :)
12:36 < Pyro> want/need help?
12:36 < cchamilt> rxr:?
12:37 < cchamilt> Hmm. Maybe, not sure with what right now.
12:37 < rxr> cchamilt: I'm here - but I do not have much time currently ...
12:37 < Pyro> Well i am getting back to do some small work on rock.. just today.. unoficial stuff.. maybe i could build your stuff and help you testing
12:38 < cchamilt> rxr: If I send you a patch to add the prefix_* stuff to scripts/functions will you accept it?
12:38 < Pyro> i don't have much time for real coding but building/testing should be something i can do
12:39 < cchamilt> You can get it off my server in /usr/src/server/package/cchamilt for the most part.
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12:39 < Pyro> ok lets me see
12:39 < cchamilt> The targets using evms is not there, but target/ambigc includes the changes for apache, exim, php, etc.
12:40 < cchamilt> I am running them on my server, though not configured yet.
12:40 < Pyro> ok i am in your server checking stuff
12:41 < cchamilt> I still have to produce the inclusive exceptions for mine exclusion that got added.  (I haven't had time to do much last few days).
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12:42 < cchamilt> I hope to add binary stripping options to mine as well while I am in there again.
12:43 < cchamilt> rxr:What if we compare our package set weekly to what distrowatch says is current?
12:44 < cchamilt> rxr:A little script that could be sent out to the maillist, to notify developers when we are out of sync with what other distros are doing?
12:45 < cchamilt> pyro: Ignore xmame, and mythtv stuff.  They are not ready yet and may be sent after the server stuff.
12:45 < Pyro> cchamilt: ah okis.. ok rsyncing stuff now..
12:46 < Pyro> cchamilt: no target related stuff? just package repos?
12:46 < cchamilt> pyro: Do what you can with it, some packages may already be out of date source wise.
12:46 < cchamilt> pyro: targets/ambigc/pkg*.conf is the target overwrites that still exist.
12:46 < Pyro> cchamilt: would you like me to try updating some packages for testing?
12:47 < cchamilt> pyro: If necessary, that would be great.  I know that heimdal is always moving.
12:47 < Pyro> yeah.. 
12:48 < jsaw> rxr: http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/, second line: s/we, encountered/we encountered/
12:49 < rxr> jsaw: thanks
12:49 < cchamilt> rxr: Bug #150 has a patch attached.  I am having random email problems.
12:50 < cchamilt> Hopefully, I can get exim up tonight with openldap/heimdal auth.  Not sure when I can convert my mail from courier to cyrus.
12:50 < Pyro> cchamilt: ok i got all package and target stuff.. where should i send reports and patches?
12:51 < cchamilt> pyro:I can still receive with chris@ambigc.com.  Just sometimes may replys may not get out.
12:52 < cchamilt> Oh yeah, swsup is not tested.  Nor are the apache mod_* other than compiling.
12:52 < cchamilt> tripwire compiles, but needs its stone script remacroed.
12:55 < Pyro> cchamilt: mm... ok, will begin working on this today. Lets also try to keep in touch over irc.. i am always online during decent SG hours as you can see..
12:56 < cchamilt> OK, good.  I am just a little random when I am on.
12:57 < Pyro> cchamilt: we shall find a way to coordinate meetings no worries :)
12:57 < cchamilt> :)
12:57 < Pyro> how is Jocelyn doing btw?
12:58 < cchamilt> Good.  She is doing well.
12:58 < Pyro> please tell her i send greetings.
12:58 < cchamilt> OK
12:58 < Pyro> :)
12:59 < rxr> jsaw: rm -rf gnome2 ?
12:59 < Pyro> ok so i am back to my stuff... cchamilt keep in touch. 
12:59 < cchamilt> She should be home in a half hour.
12:59 < cchamilt> OK cya.
13:01 < jsaw> rxr: I have no objections.
13:04 < jsaw> rxr: rm -rf package/x11/librsvg22
13:06 < rxr> I tihnk KDE or so packages needed it ...
13:06 < jsaw> that's libart_lgpl23
13:07 < rxr> just grepped - yes only a few packages use rsvg ...
13:07 < jsaw> librsvg is in gnome24
13:07 < jsaw> it installs some gdk loaders
13:16 < jsaw> somebody please recheck bug #177. evolution builds fine with nss since the last patch.
13:16 < jsaw> (since the last mozilla patch)
13:20 < jsaw> rxr: should I send the fixes relative to /branches/gnome24/?
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13:27 < rxr> jsaw: mom
13:27 < rxr> I just rename and merge
13:27 < rxr> the brnach will vanish when I'm ready ...
13:31 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, is it posible for _us_ to have personal branches? no control version is baaaaad :( 
13:33 < mnemoc> mmm... every change in a branch changes HEAD revision too??? puaj
13:34 < rxr> yes - the wohle repository has a atomic revision
13:34 < jsaw> rxr,mnemoc: I would also really appreciate a personal branch!
13:35 < daja77> it would make some things easier yes
13:35 < rxr> jsaw: mnemoc: clifford and I "plan" a scratch branch, patch submitting and web interface for it ...
13:35 < jsaw> remember your absence, rxr. Dev would have been easier during this time...
13:35 < rxr> that the last week the RL work was some kind of stalled was just a temporary thing on my side ...
13:36 < mnemoc> what about something more _real_ until that is ready?
13:36 < clifford> rxr: your response to the last proposal is still missing, btw..
13:36 < rxr> clifford: yes I know
13:36 < rxr> hi clifford 
13:36 < clifford> hi all.
13:36 < mnemoc> hi clifford 
13:36 < clifford> rxr: so - when do I get it???
13:36 < daja77> bbl
13:37 < jsaw> hi clifford 
13:37 < jsaw> cu, daja77 
13:37 < clifford> I'm currently having 2 open design tasks: submaster (stalled on waiting for rxr's response) and rocknet (stalled on waiting for smp's response).
13:38 < cchamilt> clifford: Sorry, I haven't done the mine patch yet.  
13:38 < clifford> Maybe I should just start implementing instead of further waiting for comments?  ;-)
13:38 < clifford> cchamilt: no problem...
13:38 < rxr> clifford: what was the mail subject of your last proposal? it does not seem to be submaster ...
13:39 < clifford> uh... wait a sec.
13:40 < rxr> clifford: btw. have you taken a look into the first rocknet tarball from SMP =
13:40 < rxr> s/=/?/
13:40 < cchamilt> clifford & rxr:  Do you guys OK a patch to add the pkg_*_prefix so packages can find each other. (I need to fix the one I sent. it only worked some times.)
13:41 < clifford> yup. i don't like it much because it follows the "craphead" style..  ;-)
13:42 < mnemoc> that 'only worked some times' would decrease importantly with branches... we use to send not completly tested patches because of the fear of loosing our job
13:42 < Pyro> good day clifford.
13:42 < cchamilt> Not to jump in with a new conversation. :)
13:42 < clifford> cchamilt: maybe a function parsing config/../packages would be better. creating an additional var for every package sound like a huge overhead..
13:42 < mnemoc> who is "craphead"? :\
13:43 < cchamilt> No, it is only on request.  You call the function and then the variables appear.
13:43 < mnemoc> clifford: mayb be not a var but a grepable file
13:43 < clifford> mnemoc:craphead = redhat, config/.../packages is parseable.
13:44 < clifford> cchamilt: that sounds like a good idea - should be a <10 lines patch to scripts/functions.
13:44 < rxr> mnemoc: the gcc33 update patch would be nice
13:45 < cchamilt> Yep, it was.  I will send a working one, just wanted to get it OK'ed before more work.
13:46 < mnemoc> rxr: it's just version+checksum... no adaptation is needed
13:46 < rxr> mnemoc: ok, patch?
13:46 < mnemoc> ok
13:47 < cchamilt> rxr: Your blessing on prefix function?
13:48 < jsaw> rxr: maybe you remove evolution, then mv misc/evolution and finally my changes again?
13:49 < jsaw> (so we do not lose the history)
13:49 < rxr> cchamilt: master clifford allready spoke ;-)
13:50 < rxr> jsaw: "your changes again"? You mean your final polishing ?
13:50 < cchamilt> rxr:Just wanted to know if it was going to be stable :).
13:50 < clifford> rxr: the mail has been sent on 20th Sep and the subject has been "Re: reminder".
13:51 < mnemoc> rxr: sent.... now to univ. cu all
13:51 < jsaw> rxr: you unpacked my tar before moving evolution. should have been the other way round.
13:52 < rxr> oh
13:52 < rxr> jsaw: my renaming of nautilus to gnome-nautilus was intentional
13:52 < rxr> too bad you undo it ...
13:53 < jsaw> why did you do it?
13:53 < rxr> to have a more intentional package name ...
13:53 < jsaw> I did it, because there is nautilus-cd-burner (which would be gnome-nautilus-cd-burner)... long names...
13:54 < rxr> quite some work just to keep the verision history of most files during this move ...
13:55 < jsaw> If you give me write access to the branch, you can offload this work to me...
13:56 < rxr> quite finished now 
13:56 < mnemoc> will you mv (gnome[^/])/(.*) \1/gnome-\2 ???
13:56 < rxr> clifford: btw write access: aside from the submaster thing some other trusted people with write access might be not that ungood to help
13:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll merge the gnome24 branch into trunk when finished ...
13:58 < clifford> rxr: with submaster it would be just one click to aprove a change made in the developers tree.
13:58 < rxr> jsaw: what have you done with gimp-print? ripped out completely?
13:59 < rxr> clifford: btw how will you review and inmplement it? On some test branch on your side ?
13:59 < clifford> the idea would be that also the tree maintainer is primarly working in that tree and is just merging the changes over (when the regression tester blessed them).
14:00 < jsaw> rxr: gimp-print is really strange. I don't remember exactly, but there is no gimp-print for gimp 1.3 ready so far.
14:00 < rxr> my view is that the regression tester finished one change after a week it would be useless because only random noise gets tested - not the single change you are interested in ...
14:00 < clifford> I'd say on a test-branch on my side (can't be that hard to setup svn ;-).
14:00 < rxr> jsaw: but we need it at least for cups!
14:01 < rxr> clifford: nope it is not hard - I just want it to be quite tested before we thow this on the production server ...
14:01 < clifford> the regression tester could also build single packages e.g.
14:01 < jsaw> rxr: therefore it's in gnome14.
14:02 < rxr> ah - ok overlooked this one ...
14:02 < rxr> jsaw: could you take a look into the gnome24 branch and propose final cleanups ?
14:02 < jsaw> rxr: the newer gimp-print, that has been in gnome2 does not work together with cups, as far as the homepage states (IIRC)
14:02 < clifford> regression testing is not included in my proposal because it is an "add-on".
14:02 < jsaw> rxr: yes, I'll check it.
14:03 < rxr> clifford: have you the time to call me?
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14:04 < clifford> rxr: yup. just one moment...
14:05 < clifford> rxr: mobile or fixed line?
14:05 < rxr> fixed line is ok
14:05 * clifford *ring*
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14:19 < jsaw> rxr: 1. can you revert the removal of "libole", "metatheme", "gtkextra", "gtk-thinice-engine" and "gnotepad+" (I have no idea, why they are not in my gnome24. Most probably I overlooked them.) 2. The old files are still in the trunk, eg. abiword/abiword20.{cache,desc,conf}.
14:20 < jsaw> rxr: but wait, I may have more things...
14:24 < rxr> jsaw: can you send a patch
14:24 < rxr> I'm away for half an hour or so ...
14:24 < jsaw> rxr: patch for what? 
14:25 < jsaw> you mean point 1?
14:27 < cytrinox`-> moin
14:30 < rxr> jsaw: I mean" I maybe have more things" ;-)
14:30 < rxr> cu
14:30 < jsaw> rxr: ok. cu.
14:50 < rolla> re
14:50 < Pyro> welcome back rolla
14:52 < nookie> Pyro! :)
14:59 < rolla> hallo Pyro 
15:21 < Pyro> gn8 all.
15:28 < jsaw> gn8 Pyro 
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15:40 < fake> ahoi
15:40 < daja77> hi fake
15:44 < rolla> re fake
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15:51 * fake away again
15:51 < fake> cya
15:51 < A-Tui> hi
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16:00 < rxr> re
16:02 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed...
16:03 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed...
16:03 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed...
16:03 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed...
16:03 < starlord> why  ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31 want's to install linux24benh-header? it look likes it for powerpc
16:03 < starlord> crap
16:03 < starlord> how the hell that happen....
16:06 < rxr> not only the version - but also the checksum of all the content of the package directory (except the .cache file) is used to compare whether to update the package
16:06 < rxr> IIRC I wanted to add a -no-chksum options or so later ...
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16:07 < rxr> -ignore-chksum - like Create-UpdList or Update-System has ...
16:07 < starlord> ok,that's answer's to first question,but why does Emerge-Pkg want to install powerpc package?
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16:08 < rxr> because the package does depend on any kernel package - maybe there is a bug in the script which does not filter the arch packages out correctly ...
16:09 < starlord> ah,ok
16:21 < jsaw> btw chksum. I just did: "mine -m > md5.list; md5sum --check md5.list;" Guess the result: almost all executables fail...
16:21 < jsaw> we have to exclude the prelink elf header information from checksumming...
16:21 < clifford> jsaw: are you using prelinking?
16:22 < jsaw> clifford: yep. anyway we have to find a way to check system integrity even if prelinking is used.
16:22 < clifford> jsaw: that would compromise security - it would allow adding faked prelink headers.
16:24 < jsaw> clifford: switching of prelink is the only option?
16:25 < clifford> imo there should be a build option to put the packages already with prelink info into the binary package.
16:26 < clifford> that would (1) allow everyone to benefit from prelinking and (2) solve the checksum problem.
16:26 < jsaw> could we redo the md5sums after prelinking?
16:26 < rxr> when you rebuild a single library or install a additional one
16:27 < rxr> most likely all binaries get prelinked slightly differently ...
16:27 < rxr> the commercial distributions seem to use prelink --check (or what it was) to compare the binary ...
16:27 < clifford> hmmm "install a additional one" is a problem for already installed bins containing prelink information?
16:27 < jsaw> that's true. or imagine somebody uses the -R option
16:27 < netrunne1> *giggle* OOPS!  You naughty creature!  You didn't run Configure with sh!
16:28 < rxr> if you install some image or sound lib and rebuild qt, gnome whatever with support to it this will affect any kde gnome ... binary ...
16:28 * rxr has a subversion problem ...
16:29 < clifford> rxr: sure. but most users won't do that. only people like us...  ;-)
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16:29 < rxr> damn crap - it does not find an old version in the gnome branch although I know it was there ...
16:29 < clifford> hmm.... svn prob. doesn't sound good...
16:30 < rxr> the server is a bit old 0.29 - the svn people said it is fixed in the newer versions ...
16:30 < rxr> it is just that the client (or was it the server) is not able to retrieve old revisions of deleted files (this is not a database issue - just a communication problem)
16:31 < rxr> I think I'll update the server tonight ...
16:32 < rxr> jsaw: isn't libvte needed for the gnome* stuff anymore ?
16:33 < jsaw> clifford: but still, "people like us" maybe would like to use mine to re-install some package without mine assuming this program or that lib was modified, so that I have to move the .GEMnew files over...
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16:34 < jsaw> rxr: the package in gnome terms is called vte... (I tried to keep their naming conventions)
16:35 < clifford> jsaw: for "people like us" I'd suppose recreating the file md5sums using an additional script after running prelink.
16:36 < rxr> jsaw: what is your experience with perlink ?
16:36 < jsaw> clifford: that sounds good.
16:37 < jsaw> rxr: I would say, loading is a *bit* faster. But I haven't done any exact measurement.
16:39 < rxr> hm - but you use C-apps like gnome, it should make a bigger difference for C++ applications ...
16:39 < rxr> I should try it again ... ;-)
16:44 < rxr> jsaw: I think in a few seconds I'll merge the gnome24 branch into trunk
16:46 < jsaw> rxr: don't forget the two points I mentioned 14:23
16:46 < jsaw> ah ok.
16:47 < rxr> like this
16:47 < rxr> ?
16:49 < rxr> so final merge, now ?
16:50 < jsaw> rxr: there are still old files around: see abiword: abiword20.*
16:50 < rxr> ah
16:51 < rxr> jsaw: nope - does not seem so in the gnome24 branch
16:52 < rxr> hm - moment
16:52 < jsaw> I guess sth. like for each in gnome24/*/; do n=${each%/}; n=${n##*/}; rm gnome24/$n??.*; done should do it.
16:52 < rxr> strange
16:52 < rxr> this seems to be a subversion bug - sigh
16:54 < rxr> the commit mail clearly stats that the fils got removed - but they are still present
16:54 < rxr> this sucks ...
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16:55 < rxr> I merge this into trunk and see what happens (I do not need to commit the merge if the files show up there, too ...)
16:56 < jsaw> rxr: ohoh, you're right, commit mail shows it...
16:56 < rxr> I need to update the server
16:57 < rxr> maybe I find the time to reproduce this in my scratch repository to complain in #svn ...
16:58 < rxr> shit - they how up when I merge branch/gnome24 -> trunk ...
16:58 < rxr>  :-((((((((
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17:29 < rxr> jsaw: fixed now
17:31 < jsaw> rxr: okay. still this is not a funny bug. I did svn log -v -r 1611 in gnome24 directory -> okay. go to abiword and run -> error
17:31 < daja77> re
17:31 < rxr> jsaw: see #svn from the last minutes - this was a useage error ...
17:31 < rxr> :-/
17:32 < jsaw> rxr: oh, really? where can I find the #svn log?
17:32 < rxr> hum - nowhere ... I think
17:33 < rxr> this happend because svn cp working-copy working-copy is dangerous
17:33 < rxr> my wc was out-of-date and so I copyied an old revision of the dirs  :-(
17:34 < rxr> the last page is in your querry ...
17:35 < jsaw> thanks. this clears it up.
17:36 < rxr> so always do a svn up before a copy - ro better use the url :-()(((
17:38 < rxr> I now merge it into trunk
17:43 < rxr> this apache problems get boring
17:43 < rxr> now the commit fails ...
17:44 < jsaw> ...perfect work for a rainy day... /me hides
17:46 < rxr> yes
17:47 < rxr> I'm dreaming of a replicated, disconnectable Network File System for a long time - I made some thoughs and I might start to code on it in my free time ... - just for fun ...
17:47 < blindcoder> coda?
17:47 < daja77> hehe that sounds like fun
17:47 < rxr> blindcoder: coda is crap
17:47 * blindcoder shuts up
17:48 < rxr> blindcoder: slow, global lock, files are transfered in one chuk - only files are able to be open if they fit into the local cache
17:48 < rxr> no authentication if disconnected ...
17:48 < blindcoder> hmm... haven't looked a lot into it... but it sounded like it wasn't that bad...
17:48 * daja77 wondering if the openafs guys finally added disconnect feature
17:49 * blindcoder continues to do his Japanese-homework
17:49 < rxr> blindcoder: I tried it a year ago
17:50 < rxr> committing the gnome24 work
17:50 < daja77> hmm i'd do language learning too if i had the time for it
17:50 < blindcoder> daja77: I'm currently taking evening lessons on it. And besides, I sit at home all day anyway
17:51 < rxr> ok - me off
17:51 < rxr> but I'll continue ROCK work this evening (I hope)
17:51 < daja77> cu rxr
17:51 < clifford> cu.
17:51 < blindcoder> baba
17:51 < jsaw> cu l8r, rxr
17:52 < rxr> jsaw: if you have additions for gnome24 just send a diff against trunk:HEAD
17:52 < rxr> I'll also start a gnome24 build on a box soon
17:53 < jsaw> yup.
17:53 < rxr> jsaw: rm -rf branches/gnome24? It was intented for changeset cleanups only ...
17:54 < jsaw> checking and comparing of the HEAD will take a while, added a few patches from the list...
17:54 < jsaw> rxr: yes, remove it.
17:54 < rxr> done - me of - cu
17:55 < rolla> hmm I can't seem to get a dig on rocklinux.org
17:56 < clifford> rolla: dig?
17:56 < rolla> unix command dig
17:57 < rolla> hmm now it is back odd
18:09 * jsaw is hunting some packaged food [bbl]
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18:21 < scythe_> hi
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20:22 < rxr> ree
20:23 < netrunne1> rxr: this is deer in english, please note the channel  language, thank you.
20:23 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
20:23 < daja77> re rxr
20:23 < daja77> netrunner: :-p
20:23 < netrunner> daja77: you again!
20:23 < daja77> yep
20:24 < daja77> hmm dunno why again but fits well
20:24 * netrunner opens a 50 pieces package of toffifee 
20:24 < netrunner> daja77: whatever pleases you :)
20:25 * daja77 steals two toffifees from netrunner 
20:29 < netrunner> daja77: ah, now it says only 48 on it ... you're magic!
20:29 < daja77> :)
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20:31 < netrunner> finally.
20:32 < netrunner> anybody here has experience with netflow?
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20:43 < cannibal> moin
20:48 < jsaw> bbl
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20:50 < rolla> grrr
20:52 < cannibal> hi rolla 
20:53 < rolla> hallo cannibal 
20:56 * cannibal currently installing debian-3.0r1
20:57 < daja77> muhahaha
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20:58 < cannibal> daja77: what's wrong?
21:04 < rolla> cannibal: why bother with debian
21:04 < cannibal> rolla: bother?
21:04 < rolla> it is a waste of bits on the internet
21:04 < cannibal> *lol* why?
21:05 < rolla> cause it is
21:06 < rolla> better to us gentoo than debian
21:06 < rolla> heck I would take redhat over debian
21:13 < rxr> gentoo then debain *lol* nope
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21:13 < rxr> the other way round - but but rl over debian ...
21:14 < daja77> rl > redhat > debian
21:16 < rxr> yes - and then at the end somewhere gentoo ...
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21:18 < daja77> hehe
21:19 < rxr> ok - I quit the ssh for tonight - but I'll continue some bits on the iBook
21:19 < rxr> cu
21:19 < netrunner> cu rxr 
21:19 < daja77> cu rxr
21:25 < SMP> netrunner: yes, quite a bit netflow clue here
21:26 < netrunner> 
21:26 < SMP> pardon?
21:26 < netrunner> SMP: do you use it for accounting?
21:26 < netrunner> SMP: or .. what tool(s) do you use?
21:27 < SMP> I used it for accounting until like 18 months ago
21:28 < SMP> I used flow-tools with some Perl processor and MySQL backend
21:29 < netrunner> SMP: I decided today (after some trys) for flow-tools -> flowscan -> perl
21:30 < netrunner> where the last I currently run (CUFlow) does not really fit my needs and crys for reimplementation.
21:30 < netrunner> I need something where I can select the traffic between 2 given routers.
21:30 < SMP> I can't even remember what flowscan does ..
21:31 < SMP> well, how can this traffic be identified?
21:31 < netrunner> SMP: take the collected flows and create rrd files out of it
21:32 * SMP now uses nitpicker on BSD boxen
21:32 < netrunner> SMP: from the routers. I work at a (huge) datacenter that is main connection points for multiple subcompanies over the world.
21:33 < SMP> you need to be more specific
21:34 < SMP> can it be identified by the source / destination IP address, the outgoing/incoming interface on the router or the next-hop / destination autonomous system (if you're running BGP)
21:34 < netrunner> SMP: nitpicker just sniffs and writes down what it sees. I get flowdata from about 30 ciscos
21:35 < SMP> I know that nitpicker is not exactly a replacement for netflow ;)
21:35 < netrunner> SMP: what I need is some thing for or like flowscan, that has support for multiple seperate subnets. CUFlow takes everything defined as subnet into one large 'local' net :(
21:36 < netrunner> hm ... I'll probably write something myself, or adapt CUFlow if the code is not to ugly ;)
21:36 < SMP> I tried hacking flow-tools code - it was too ugly
21:37 < netrunner> SMP: the flow tools work fine for me, they just take and store. it's the step after that which bugs me
21:38 < SMP> flow2rrd.pl 
21:38 < SMP> Converts a cisco NetFlow stream into set of RRDtool files, based on set of IP netmasks.
21:40 < netrunner> SMP: fine, that site is off dns, do you have that?
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21:43 < SMP> no :(
21:44 < netrunner> SMP: never mind. I am basically satisfied with what flowscan does. the config needs to be extended.
21:44 < netrunner> SMP: but thanks for your cent :)
21:44 < SMP> sure
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21:56 < tcr> moin all
21:56 < daja77> moin tcr
21:58 < rxr> re
21:58 < daja77> O_o
21:59 < rxr> oO ?
22:00 < daja77> just wondering, it sounded like you were off this evening :)
22:00 < rxr> yes
22:00 < SMP> A  package/gnome24
22:01 < SMP> OMG
22:01 < rxr> wanted to query jsaw ...
22:01 < rxr> D package/gnome2
22:01 < daja77> well you definitely have no need to apologize ;)
22:02 < rxr> this samba on PPC problem is really messy ... :-(
22:02 < SMP> yeah, gnome24 is ok, I just wanted to do a 'quick' svn up before the next build of my target ;)
22:02 < daja77> hehe
22:02 < rxr> I hope you do not have gnome stuff in your target ...
22:03 < SMP> it's called 'vpn', so guess what ;)
22:03 < tcr> Hmm, what made somewhat wonder was that gtk-xfce-* was moved to gnome24 from xfce, I guess?
22:03 < rxr> I already guessed you are not into any GUI thing ...
22:04 < SMP> but why the *fuck* did scripts/Config delete my pkgsel
22:04 < daja77> btw my beta6 based main machine reached an uptime of 70 days today
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22:07 < netrunner> hi Lorini :)
22:07 < daja77> :)
22:07 < rxr> all the last uptimes of my boxes have been caused by power shortages ...
22:07 < daja77> lucky me i guess
22:07 < Lorini> huhu netrunner
22:08 < rxr> uptime resets even ...
22:10 < daja77> damn things is that i managed to get crap software to run on it which i need, so i don't wanna update this box, and for sure not with rc1
22:10 < daja77> one strange thing i noticed, i told you of that one laptop where rock bootloader install failed, rh works on that machine *gnarf*
22:10 < blindcoder> hrm... esdens and mine debian-server did wrap around its uptime to 0 recently...
22:11 < rolla> wow
22:11 < SMP> I have a box that wrapped twice
22:12 < daja77> well i set up this machine 70 days ago, so ...
22:12 < rolla> at what time does it wrap?
22:12 < blindcoder> 43x days or something...
22:12 < SMP> 497d
22:12 < blindcoder> 49x? oh.... my bad ^^
22:14 < SMP> 497*24*60*60*100 ~ 2^32
22:14 < SMP> at HZ=100
22:15 < blindcoder> hmm... our debianmachine usually spit out something along the lines of "invalid HZ value, using 100"
22:16 < SMP> then maybe you're cheating with a higher HZ value ;)
22:17 < rolla> ./
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22:32 < blindcoder> hrm
22:32 < blindcoder> syncing 5 MB onto a Palm takes some time
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23:13 < rxr> n8 all
23:15 < tcr> gn8 rxr
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23:34 < jsaw> re
23:34 < jsaw> XFree86 Version 4.3.99.14
23:34 < jsaw> <- seems to work well
23:36 < daja77> you missed rxr unfortunately
23:36 < jsaw> daja77: why?
23:37 < daja77> 23:13 < rxr> n8 all
23:37 < jsaw> daja77: I meant: why? did he wanted to talk to me?
23:38 < daja77> yes
23:38 < jsaw> my box was down, I have no log, sth. important?
23:38 < daja77> 22:01 < rxr> wanted to query jsaw ...
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23:39 < daja77> dunno what this was about, maybe gnome stuff
23:39 < jsaw> probably. another time another chance...
23:39 < daja77> hehe sure :)
23:39 < jsaw> brave new world: gdb 6.0
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