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--- Log opened Tue Oct 21 00:00:42 2003 00:07 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9AE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 < tcr> moin all 00:08 * tcr watching anime on vox. Just for those who're interested (blindcoder?) 00:20 < menschenfresser> gn8 00:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9AE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:27 -!- tobrit [~tcr@pD9EA9AE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:33 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M354P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:39 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@p50817C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 00:43 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M492P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:55 -!- tobrit is now known as tcr 01:26 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9AE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.") 03:11 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uivenso.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 03:30 < mnemoc> re 03:45 -!- rajiv [~irc@bronze.imagineblue.com] has joined #rocklinux 04:53 -!- rphillips [~rphillips@adsl-68-123-98-105.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:54 < rphillips> I'm reading the documentation, and something isn't entirely clear to me... I would like to create a custom ISO, but can I tweak scripts, add applications, etc before I generate the ISO? 07:01 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uivenso.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 07:06 -!- scoopex [~marc@td90918c9.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:33 -!- Pyro [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 07:33 < Pyro> hello. 08:14 -!- scoopex [~marc@td90918c9.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:28 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M309P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:34 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M354P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:50 * rajiv is away: gone 09:04 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.133.216.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:06 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.44.236.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 09:12 -!- awacs [awacs@196.40.64.197] has joined #rocklinux 09:12 < Pyro> saludos awacs 09:12 < awacs> um 09:12 < awacs> hi Pyro 09:12 < awacs> who r u ? 09:13 < Pyro> yet someone else from CR, and you are? 09:13 < awacs> someone of destine unknown 09:13 < Pyro> lol, interesting 09:13 < Pyro> well Mr. unknown you can call me Mike. 09:14 < awacs> hack-sol server have some troubles.. 09:14 < Pyro> really? 09:14 < awacs> nice to see u are expanding posibilities within colombia.. 09:14 < Pyro> deal is off 09:14 < awacs> check ur mail for example.. hehe 09:15 < awacs> i saw some linux courses at gigax web site 09:15 < Pyro> awacs: yes but things are not looking good. 09:15 < Pyro> awacs: and yeah i know of the relaying thing.. things are temporary there 09:15 < awacs> ah ok. 09:15 < Pyro> awacs: why this weird nick? 09:16 < awacs> dunno. maybe cause of the weird things that used to happen with me.. 09:16 < Pyro> awacs: hehe.. well you almost made me confuse you with my mentor. 09:16 < Pyro> awacs: lets go to a query 09:17 < awacs> and why ur stinky nick Pyro ? hehe 09:17 < awacs> sure 09:17 < Pyro> awacs: thats what happens when you have so many friends from Bavaria and San Ramon 09:18 -!- rphillips [~rphillips@adsl-68-123-98-105.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 09:20 < awacs> i see 09:20 < Pyro> :P 09:21 < menschenfresser> moin 09:21 < awacs> hi menschenfresser 09:22 < menschenfresser> hi awacs 09:22 < awacs> btw.. im interested to a binary 1.7 to try it.. 09:22 < Pyro> i could make a 2.0 for you 09:22 < menschenfresser> 1.7? 09:23 < awacs> 2.0.. ive missed some things here :p 09:23 < Pyro> menschenfresser: holy scheisse whats that nick dear? 09:23 < Pyro> awacs: 2.0rc3 ... 09:23 < menschenfresser> Pyro: *lol* this nick means that i'm eating human :p 09:23 < Pyro> eat me eat me 09:23 -!- menschenfresser is now known as cannibal 09:23 < cannibal> :p 09:23 < awacs> mike is a big piece of meat 09:23 < cannibal> nope 09:23 < awacs> hehe 09:24 < awacs> so mike could u build or lend me a rock iso.. the most coolest one.. no time for me in building linux distributions now... 09:25 < Pyro> awacs: sure .. i think i could start one build in a few hours 09:25 < Pyro> awacs: you can come over in lets say 2 days.. 09:25 < awacs> oh, nice 09:25 < Pyro> considering that i have to build generic and install targets 09:25 < awacs> where are u building now ? got a personal lab or at home or where ? 09:26 < Pyro> at my own office 09:27 < cannibal> .oO(what did i want to do? *argh*) 09:27 < Pyro> awacs: i quitted crnet some months ago to work on my own.. 09:27 < Pyro> cannibal: to drink some apple tea.. ? 09:27 < awacs> who is cannibal.. seems me familiar with someone.. 09:27 < awacs> whois cannibal 09:28 < Pyro> awacs: eule.. 09:28 < awacs> is owl still alive ? 09:29 < Pyro> awacs: .. owl = cannibal... 09:30 < awacs> hehe, since i heard several times those feelings of be dead from owl... 09:30 < awacs> well, i wont fill space anymore in the logs.. 09:30 < awacs> cu guys 09:31 -!- awacs [awacs@196.40.64.197] has left #rocklinux () 09:32 < Pyro> crazy folk.. 09:32 < Pyro> cannibal: whata re you doing? 09:34 < cannibal> Pyro: nah. not now... my rucksack is equipped with a can of apple-tea, but this is for the "messe" i will visit later and so... 09:34 < Pyro> hehe ok :) 09:35 < Pyro> [anders]_: Hej! 09:45 < [anders]_> lo Pyro :) 09:45 -!- [anders]_ is now known as [anders] 09:46 < cannibal> hi [anders] 11:12 < daja77> moin 11:12 < Pyro> greetings daja77 :) 11:13 < daja77> :) 11:15 < daja77> greatings Mike 11:15 < daja77> greetings even 11:15 < Pyro> Wie geht's Daniel? 11:16 < daja77> i am ok 11:16 < Pyro> no longer sick? :) 11:17 < daja77> only a bit 11:17 < Pyro> mmm.. :( 11:18 < Pyro> i hope you get well soon 11:18 < daja77> i am working on that 11:18 < daja77> :) 11:18 < Pyro> good :) keep ficking :) i mean working 11:18 < daja77> O_o 11:19 < Pyro> jk 11:19 < daja77> :) 11:19 < Pyro> i'm in a very good mood today 11:20 < daja77> that's great but why are you Pyro then 11:20 < Pyro> i'm considering to keep it as my main nick. 11:20 < cannibal> <- away for systems 11:21 < Pyro> cannibal: ok have fun 11:21 < cannibal> thx. 11:21 < cannibal> bye 11:21 < Pyro> cannibal: don't forget ur apple tea 11:34 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50800F2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:35 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801662.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 11:35 < Pyro> hi blindy! 11:35 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:35 * netrunner is now known as himself 11:35 < Pyro> yeah sure nety :P 11:36 < daja77> hi yourself 11:37 < Pyro> he is not myself.. he is himself 11:37 < Pyro> correct yourself. 11:37 < daja77> hello himself 11:37 * Pyro *grins* 11:38 < daja77> next time he is herself ... 11:40 < Pyro> you think so? 11:40 < daja77> well ... 11:41 < Pyro> does it mean owl will be itself? 11:42 < daja77> guess that's for sure 11:45 < Pyro> yeah.. 11:50 * netrunner plays with himself 11:51 < rxr> re 11:51 < rxr> hi Pyro! 11:52 < rxr> hi all 11:52 < daja77> hi rxr :) 11:53 < Pyro> good day rxr 11:54 < Pyro> rxr: so i have started a rock linux build.. spect reports soon. 11:54 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:54 < rxr> hi jsaw 11:54 < jsaw> re 11:54 < jsaw> hi rxr 11:54 < jsaw> hi all 11:55 < Pyro> hi jsaw 11:55 < daja77> hi jsaw 11:56 < jsaw> this is going to be a pretty busy semester... 11:57 < Pyro> oh God.. 4 am.. yet another day staying up late.. 11:58 < jsaw> (two afternoons supervising physics practical course for biologists...) 12:03 < rxr> jsaw: ;-) 12:07 < jsaw> rxr: yes, sounds funny... and indeed, it is. Not only due to the biologists<->physicists thing, there are 30 missing supervisors for all the physics practical courses (for biologists, physicians and physicists themselves)... coordination chaos contributes to the fun by, say 33%... hehe 12:17 < rxr> jsaw: committing the gnome24 changes now is fine ? 12:17 < jsaw> yep. Once it's in, I'll commit some more fixes. But still we have to discuss the xml problem... 12:20 < jsaw> rxr: btw circular dependencies, changing the flistrfilter in Build-Pkg to 12:20 < jsaw> flistrfilter="ldconfig\..*: .*|.*: /var/adm/.*|.*/pkgconfig/.*\.pc" 12:20 < jsaw> solve most of the problems. 12:21 < jsaw> (space instead of line-break showed here on screen) 12:33 < cchamilt> hi all 12:33 < jsaw> hi there 12:34 < Pyro> good day cchamilt 12:34 < Pyro> cchamilt: well evening in ur case.. 12:34 < cchamilt> yes. 12:34 < Pyro> ;) 12:34 < cchamilt> pyro: How are things? 12:35 < Pyro> cchamilt: everything great thanks, and yourself? 12:35 < cchamilt> Im OK, I have heimdal dropin ready (not test with mozilla though). 12:36 < cchamilt> I want to do a boot with evms and make sure it works on the bootdisk yet. 12:36 < Pyro> sounds fun :) 12:36 < Pyro> want/need help? 12:36 < cchamilt> rxr:? 12:37 < cchamilt> Hmm. Maybe, not sure with what right now. 12:37 < rxr> cchamilt: I'm here - but I do not have much time currently ... 12:37 < Pyro> Well i am getting back to do some small work on rock.. just today.. unoficial stuff.. maybe i could build your stuff and help you testing 12:38 < cchamilt> rxr: If I send you a patch to add the prefix_* stuff to scripts/functions will you accept it? 12:38 < Pyro> i don't have much time for real coding but building/testing should be something i can do 12:39 < cchamilt> You can get it off my server in /usr/src/server/package/cchamilt for the most part. 12:39 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:39 < Pyro> ok lets me see 12:39 < cchamilt> The targets using evms is not there, but target/ambigc includes the changes for apache, exim, php, etc. 12:40 < cchamilt> I am running them on my server, though not configured yet. 12:40 < Pyro> ok i am in your server checking stuff 12:41 < cchamilt> I still have to produce the inclusive exceptions for mine exclusion that got added. (I haven't had time to do much last few days). 12:41 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508025E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:42 < cchamilt> I hope to add binary stripping options to mine as well while I am in there again. 12:43 < cchamilt> rxr:What if we compare our package set weekly to what distrowatch says is current? 12:44 < cchamilt> rxr:A little script that could be sent out to the maillist, to notify developers when we are out of sync with what other distros are doing? 12:45 < cchamilt> pyro: Ignore xmame, and mythtv stuff. They are not ready yet and may be sent after the server stuff. 12:45 < Pyro> cchamilt: ah okis.. ok rsyncing stuff now.. 12:46 < Pyro> cchamilt: no target related stuff? just package repos? 12:46 < cchamilt> pyro: Do what you can with it, some packages may already be out of date source wise. 12:46 < cchamilt> pyro: targets/ambigc/pkg*.conf is the target overwrites that still exist. 12:46 < Pyro> cchamilt: would you like me to try updating some packages for testing? 12:47 < cchamilt> pyro: If necessary, that would be great. I know that heimdal is always moving. 12:47 < Pyro> yeah.. 12:48 < jsaw> rxr: https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/, second line: s/we, encountered/we encountered/ 12:49 < rxr> jsaw: thanks 12:49 < cchamilt> rxr: Bug #150 has a patch attached. I am having random email problems. 12:50 < cchamilt> Hopefully, I can get exim up tonight with openldap/heimdal auth. Not sure when I can convert my mail from courier to cyrus. 12:50 < Pyro> cchamilt: ok i got all package and target stuff.. where should i send reports and patches? 12:51 < cchamilt> pyro:I can still receive with chris@ambigc.com. Just sometimes may replys may not get out. 12:52 < cchamilt> Oh yeah, swsup is not tested. Nor are the apache mod_* other than compiling. 12:52 < cchamilt> tripwire compiles, but needs its stone script remacroed. 12:55 < Pyro> cchamilt: mm... ok, will begin working on this today. Lets also try to keep in touch over irc.. i am always online during decent SG hours as you can see.. 12:56 < cchamilt> OK, good. I am just a little random when I am on. 12:57 < Pyro> cchamilt: we shall find a way to coordinate meetings no worries :) 12:57 < cchamilt> :) 12:57 < Pyro> how is Jocelyn doing btw? 12:58 < cchamilt> Good. She is doing well. 12:58 < Pyro> please tell her i send greetings. 12:58 < cchamilt> OK 12:58 < Pyro> :) 12:59 < rxr> jsaw: rm -rf gnome2 ? 12:59 < Pyro> ok so i am back to my stuff... cchamilt keep in touch. 12:59 < cchamilt> She should be home in a half hour. 12:59 < cchamilt> OK cya. 13:01 < jsaw> rxr: I have no objections. 13:04 < jsaw> rxr: rm -rf package/x11/librsvg22 13:06 < rxr> I tihnk KDE or so packages needed it ... 13:06 < jsaw> that's libart_lgpl23 13:07 < rxr> just grepped - yes only a few packages use rsvg ... 13:07 < jsaw> librsvg is in gnome24 13:07 < jsaw> it installs some gdk loaders 13:16 < jsaw> somebody please recheck bug #177. evolution builds fine with nss since the last patch. 13:16 < jsaw> (since the last mozilla patch) 13:20 < jsaw> rxr: should I send the fixes relative to /branches/gnome24/? 13:24 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-097.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:27 < rxr> jsaw: mom 13:27 < rxr> I just rename and merge 13:27 < rxr> the brnach will vanish when I'm ready ... 13:31 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, is it posible for _us_ to have personal branches? no control version is baaaaad :( 13:33 < mnemoc> mmm... every change in a branch changes HEAD revision too??? puaj 13:34 < rxr> yes - the wohle repository has a atomic revision 13:34 < jsaw> rxr,mnemoc: I would also really appreciate a personal branch! 13:35 < daja77> it would make some things easier yes 13:35 < rxr> jsaw: mnemoc: clifford and I "plan" a scratch branch, patch submitting and web interface for it ... 13:35 < jsaw> remember your absence, rxr. Dev would have been easier during this time... 13:35 < rxr> that the last week the RL work was some kind of stalled was just a temporary thing on my side ... 13:36 < mnemoc> what about something more _real_ until that is ready? 13:36 < clifford> rxr: your response to the last proposal is still missing, btw.. 13:36 < rxr> clifford: yes I know 13:36 < rxr> hi clifford 13:36 < clifford> hi all. 13:36 < mnemoc> hi clifford 13:36 < clifford> rxr: so - when do I get it??? 13:36 < daja77> bbl 13:37 < jsaw> hi clifford 13:37 < jsaw> cu, daja77 13:37 < clifford> I'm currently having 2 open design tasks: submaster (stalled on waiting for rxr's response) and rocknet (stalled on waiting for smp's response). 13:38 < cchamilt> clifford: Sorry, I haven't done the mine patch yet. 13:38 < clifford> Maybe I should just start implementing instead of further waiting for comments? ;-) 13:38 < clifford> cchamilt: no problem... 13:38 < rxr> clifford: what was the mail subject of your last proposal? it does not seem to be submaster ... 13:39 < clifford> uh... wait a sec. 13:40 < rxr> clifford: btw. have you taken a look into the first rocknet tarball from SMP = 13:40 < rxr> s/=/?/ 13:40 < cchamilt> clifford & rxr: Do you guys OK a patch to add the pkg_*_prefix so packages can find each other. (I need to fix the one I sent. it only worked some times.) 13:41 < clifford> yup. i don't like it much because it follows the "craphead" style.. ;-) 13:42 < mnemoc> that 'only worked some times' would decrease importantly with branches... we use to send not completly tested patches because of the fear of loosing our job 13:42 < Pyro> good day clifford. 13:42 < cchamilt> Not to jump in with a new conversation. :) 13:42 < clifford> cchamilt: maybe a function parsing config/../packages would be better. creating an additional var for every package sound like a huge overhead.. 13:42 < mnemoc> who is "craphead"? :\ 13:43 < cchamilt> No, it is only on request. You call the function and then the variables appear. 13:43 < mnemoc> clifford: mayb be not a var but a grepable file 13:43 < clifford> mnemoc:craphead = redhat, config/.../packages is parseable. 13:44 < clifford> cchamilt: that sounds like a good idea - should be a <10 lines patch to scripts/functions. 13:44 < rxr> mnemoc: the gcc33 update patch would be nice 13:45 < cchamilt> Yep, it was. I will send a working one, just wanted to get it OK'ed before more work. 13:46 < mnemoc> rxr: it's just version+checksum... no adaptation is needed 13:46 < rxr> mnemoc: ok, patch? 13:46 < mnemoc> ok 13:47 < cchamilt> rxr: Your blessing on prefix function? 13:48 < jsaw> rxr: maybe you remove evolution, then mv misc/evolution and finally my changes again? 13:49 < jsaw> (so we do not lose the history) 13:49 < rxr> cchamilt: master clifford allready spoke ;-) 13:50 < rxr> jsaw: "your changes again"? You mean your final polishing ? 13:50 < cchamilt> rxr:Just wanted to know if it was going to be stable :). 13:50 < clifford> rxr: the mail has been sent on 20th Sep and the subject has been "Re: reminder". 13:51 < mnemoc> rxr: sent.... now to univ. cu all 13:51 < jsaw> rxr: you unpacked my tar before moving evolution. should have been the other way round. 13:52 < rxr> oh 13:52 < rxr> jsaw: my renaming of nautilus to gnome-nautilus was intentional 13:52 < rxr> too bad you undo it ... 13:53 < jsaw> why did you do it? 13:53 < rxr> to have a more intentional package name ... 13:53 < jsaw> I did it, because there is nautilus-cd-burner (which would be gnome-nautilus-cd-burner)... long names... 13:54 < rxr> quite some work just to keep the verision history of most files during this move ... 13:55 < jsaw> If you give me write access to the branch, you can offload this work to me... 13:56 < rxr> quite finished now 13:56 < mnemoc> will you mv (gnome[^/])/(.*) \1/gnome-\2 ??? 13:56 < rxr> clifford: btw write access: aside from the submaster thing some other trusted people with write access might be not that ungood to help 13:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll merge the gnome24 branch into trunk when finished ... 13:58 < clifford> rxr: with submaster it would be just one click to aprove a change made in the developers tree. 13:58 < rxr> jsaw: what have you done with gimp-print? ripped out completely? 13:59 < rxr> clifford: btw how will you review and inmplement it? On some test branch on your side ? 13:59 < clifford> the idea would be that also the tree maintainer is primarly working in that tree and is just merging the changes over (when the regression tester blessed them). 14:00 < jsaw> rxr: gimp-print is really strange. I don't remember exactly, but there is no gimp-print for gimp 1.3 ready so far. 14:00 < rxr> my view is that the regression tester finished one change after a week it would be useless because only random noise gets tested - not the single change you are interested in ... 14:00 < clifford> I'd say on a test-branch on my side (can't be that hard to setup svn ;-). 14:00 < rxr> jsaw: but we need it at least for cups! 14:01 < rxr> clifford: nope it is not hard - I just want it to be quite tested before we thow this on the production server ... 14:01 < clifford> the regression tester could also build single packages e.g. 14:01 < jsaw> rxr: therefore it's in gnome14. 14:02 < rxr> ah - ok overlooked this one ... 14:02 < rxr> jsaw: could you take a look into the gnome24 branch and propose final cleanups ? 14:02 < jsaw> rxr: the newer gimp-print, that has been in gnome2 does not work together with cups, as far as the homepage states (IIRC) 14:02 < clifford> regression testing is not included in my proposal because it is an "add-on". 14:02 < jsaw> rxr: yes, I'll check it. 14:03 < rxr> clifford: have you the time to call me? 14:03 -!- starlord [~starlord@fj119.netikka.fi] has joined #rocklinux 14:04 < clifford> rxr: yup. just one moment... 14:05 < clifford> rxr: mobile or fixed line? 14:05 < rxr> fixed line is ok 14:05 * clifford *ring* 14:15 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005766.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:19 < jsaw> rxr: 1. can you revert the removal of "libole", "metatheme", "gtkextra", "gtk-thinice-engine" and "gnotepad+" (I have no idea, why they are not in my gnome24. Most probably I overlooked them.) 2. The old files are still in the trunk, eg. abiword/abiword20.{cache,desc,conf}. 14:20 < jsaw> rxr: but wait, I may have more things... 14:24 < rxr> jsaw: can you send a patch 14:24 < rxr> I'm away for half an hour or so ... 14:24 < jsaw> rxr: patch for what? 14:25 < jsaw> you mean point 1? 14:27 < cytrinox`-> moin 14:30 < rxr> jsaw: I mean" I maybe have more things" ;-) 14:30 < rxr> cu 14:30 < jsaw> rxr: ok. cu. 14:50 < rolla> re 14:50 < Pyro> welcome back rolla 14:52 < nookie> Pyro! :) 14:59 < rolla> hallo Pyro 15:21 < Pyro> gn8 all. 15:28 < jsaw> gn8 Pyro 15:40 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:40 < fake> ahoi 15:40 < daja77> hi fake 15:44 < rolla> re fake 15:51 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 15:51 * fake away again 15:51 < fake> cya 15:51 < A-Tui> hi 15:52 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has quit ("BitchX is a flavored condom, all the women love its taste") 16:00 < rxr> re 16:02 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed... 16:03 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed... 16:03 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed... 16:03 < starlord> is there a way to fake install package without downloading sources and building..., i installed from beta6 isos and i get "tons" of downloads if i build package with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31,actually most of the are same packages if i build mozilla same way,might be because new checksum or new version has come out,but atleast 70% of those packages are already installed... 16:03 < starlord> why ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31 want's to install linux24benh-header? it look likes it for powerpc 16:03 < starlord> crap 16:03 < starlord> how the hell that happen.... 16:06 < rxr> not only the version - but also the checksum of all the content of the package directory (except the .cache file) is used to compare whether to update the package 16:06 < rxr> IIRC I wanted to add a -no-chksum options or so later ... 16:06 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-097.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:07 < rxr> -ignore-chksum - like Create-UpdList or Update-System has ... 16:07 < starlord> ok,that's answer's to first question,but why does Emerge-Pkg want to install powerpc package? 16:07 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-187.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:08 < rxr> because the package does depend on any kernel package - maybe there is a bug in the script which does not filter the arch packages out correctly ... 16:09 < starlord> ah,ok 16:21 < jsaw> btw chksum. I just did: "mine -m > md5.list; md5sum --check md5.list;" Guess the result: almost all executables fail... 16:21 < jsaw> we have to exclude the prelink elf header information from checksumming... 16:21 < clifford> jsaw: are you using prelinking? 16:22 < jsaw> clifford: yep. anyway we have to find a way to check system integrity even if prelinking is used. 16:22 < clifford> jsaw: that would compromise security - it would allow adding faked prelink headers. 16:24 < jsaw> clifford: switching of prelink is the only option? 16:25 < clifford> imo there should be a build option to put the packages already with prelink info into the binary package. 16:26 < clifford> that would (1) allow everyone to benefit from prelinking and (2) solve the checksum problem. 16:26 < jsaw> could we redo the md5sums after prelinking? 16:26 < rxr> when you rebuild a single library or install a additional one 16:27 < rxr> most likely all binaries get prelinked slightly differently ... 16:27 < rxr> the commercial distributions seem to use prelink --check (or what it was) to compare the binary ... 16:27 < clifford> hmmm "install a additional one" is a problem for already installed bins containing prelink information? 16:27 < jsaw> that's true. or imagine somebody uses the -R option 16:27 < netrunne1> *giggle* OOPS! You naughty creature! You didn't run Configure with sh! 16:28 < rxr> if you install some image or sound lib and rebuild qt, gnome whatever with support to it this will affect any kde gnome ... binary ... 16:28 * rxr has a subversion problem ... 16:29 < clifford> rxr: sure. but most users won't do that. only people like us... ;-) 16:29 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M328P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:29 < rxr> damn crap - it does not find an old version in the gnome branch although I know it was there ... 16:29 < clifford> hmm.... svn prob. doesn't sound good... 16:30 < rxr> the server is a bit old 0.29 - the svn people said it is fixed in the newer versions ... 16:30 < rxr> it is just that the client (or was it the server) is not able to retrieve old revisions of deleted files (this is not a database issue - just a communication problem) 16:31 < rxr> I think I'll update the server tonight ... 16:32 < rxr> jsaw: isn't libvte needed for the gnome* stuff anymore ? 16:33 < jsaw> clifford: but still, "people like us" maybe would like to use mine to re-install some package without mine assuming this program or that lib was modified, so that I have to move the .GEMnew files over... 16:34 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M309P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:34 < jsaw> rxr: the package in gnome terms is called vte... (I tried to keep their naming conventions) 16:35 < clifford> jsaw: for "people like us" I'd suppose recreating the file md5sums using an additional script after running prelink. 16:36 < rxr> jsaw: what is your experience with perlink ? 16:36 < jsaw> clifford: that sounds good. 16:37 < jsaw> rxr: I would say, loading is a *bit* faster. But I haven't done any exact measurement. 16:39 < rxr> hm - but you use C-apps like gnome, it should make a bigger difference for C++ applications ... 16:39 < rxr> I should try it again ... ;-) 16:44 < rxr> jsaw: I think in a few seconds I'll merge the gnome24 branch into trunk 16:46 < jsaw> rxr: don't forget the two points I mentioned 14:23 16:46 < jsaw> ah ok. 16:47 < rxr> like this 16:47 < rxr> ? 16:49 < rxr> so final merge, now ? 16:50 < jsaw> rxr: there are still old files around: see abiword: abiword20.* 16:50 < rxr> ah 16:51 < rxr> jsaw: nope - does not seem so in the gnome24 branch 16:52 < rxr> hm - moment 16:52 < jsaw> I guess sth. like for each in gnome24/*/; do n=${each%/}; n=${n##*/}; rm gnome24/$n??.*; done should do it. 16:52 < rxr> strange 16:52 < rxr> this seems to be a subversion bug - sigh 16:54 < rxr> the commit mail clearly stats that the fils got removed - but they are still present 16:54 < rxr> this sucks ... 16:55 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9502DCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:55 < rxr> I merge this into trunk and see what happens (I do not need to commit the merge if the files show up there, too ...) 16:56 < jsaw> rxr: ohoh, you're right, commit mail shows it... 16:56 < rxr> I need to update the server 16:57 < rxr> maybe I find the time to reproduce this in my scratch repository to complain in #svn ... 16:58 < rxr> shit - they how up when I merge branch/gnome24 -> trunk ... 16:58 < rxr> :-(((((((( 17:03 * rajiv is back (gone 08:13:40) 17:13 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005766.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:17 -!- avbjr85 [Alan@0-2pool74-38.nas8.clearwater1.fl.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:29 < rxr> jsaw: fixed now 17:31 < jsaw> rxr: okay. still this is not a funny bug. I did svn log -v -r 1611 in gnome24 directory -> okay. go to abiword and run -> error 17:31 < daja77> re 17:31 < rxr> jsaw: see #svn from the last minutes - this was a useage error ... 17:31 < rxr> :-/ 17:32 < jsaw> rxr: oh, really? where can I find the #svn log? 17:32 < rxr> hum - nowhere ... I think 17:33 < rxr> this happend because svn cp working-copy working-copy is dangerous 17:33 < rxr> my wc was out-of-date and so I copyied an old revision of the dirs :-( 17:34 < rxr> the last page is in your querry ... 17:35 < jsaw> thanks. this clears it up. 17:36 < rxr> so always do a svn up before a copy - ro better use the url :-()((( 17:38 < rxr> I now merge it into trunk 17:43 < rxr> this apache problems get boring 17:43 < rxr> now the commit fails ... 17:44 < jsaw> ...perfect work for a rainy day... /me hides 17:46 < rxr> yes 17:47 < rxr> I'm dreaming of a replicated, disconnectable Network File System for a long time - I made some thoughs and I might start to code on it in my free time ... - just for fun ... 17:47 < blindcoder> coda? 17:47 < daja77> hehe that sounds like fun 17:47 < rxr> blindcoder: coda is crap 17:47 * blindcoder shuts up 17:48 < rxr> blindcoder: slow, global lock, files are transfered in one chuk - only files are able to be open if they fit into the local cache 17:48 < rxr> no authentication if disconnected ... 17:48 < blindcoder> hmm... haven't looked a lot into it... but it sounded like it wasn't that bad... 17:48 * daja77 wondering if the openafs guys finally added disconnect feature 17:49 * blindcoder continues to do his Japanese-homework 17:49 < rxr> blindcoder: I tried it a year ago 17:50 < rxr> committing the gnome24 work 17:50 < daja77> hmm i'd do language learning too if i had the time for it 17:50 < blindcoder> daja77: I'm currently taking evening lessons on it. And besides, I sit at home all day anyway 17:51 < rxr> ok - me off 17:51 < rxr> but I'll continue ROCK work this evening (I hope) 17:51 < daja77> cu rxr 17:51 < clifford> cu. 17:51 < blindcoder> baba 17:51 < jsaw> cu l8r, rxr 17:52 < rxr> jsaw: if you have additions for gnome24 just send a diff against trunk:HEAD 17:52 < rxr> I'll also start a gnome24 build on a box soon 17:53 < jsaw> yup. 17:53 < rxr> jsaw: rm -rf branches/gnome24? It was intented for changeset cleanups only ... 17:54 < jsaw> checking and comparing of the HEAD will take a while, added a few patches from the list... 17:54 < jsaw> rxr: yes, remove it. 17:54 < rxr> done - me of - cu 17:55 < rolla> hmm I can't seem to get a dig on rocklinux.org 17:56 < clifford> rolla: dig? 17:56 < rolla> unix command dig 17:57 < rolla> hmm now it is back odd 18:09 * jsaw is hunting some packaged food [bbl] 18:21 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 18:21 < scythe_> hi 19:00 -!- starlord [~starlord@fj119.netikka.fi] has quit ("Client exited") 19:02 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has quit ("Have to reboot...") 19:16 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, jsaw, clifford, cytrinox`-, A-Tui, Pyro, rajiv 19:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Pyro, rolla 19:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw, rajiv, clifford 19:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: A-Tui, cytrinox`- 19:21 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, jsaw, clifford, cytrinox`-, A-Tui, Pyro, rajiv 19:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Pyro, rolla 19:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw, rajiv, clifford, A-Tui, cytrinox`- 19:29 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, Pyro 19:30 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, clifford, cytrinox`-, A-Tui, rajiv 19:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox`-, A-Tui, clifford, rajiv, jsaw, rolla, Pyro 19:34 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, rolla, clifford, cytrinox`-, A-Tui, Pyro, rajiv 19:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox`-, A-Tui, clifford, rajiv, jsaw, rolla, Pyro 19:36 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, clifford, cytrinox`-, A-Tui, rajiv 19:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw, rajiv, clifford 19:37 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:40 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, rolla, clifford, Pyro, rajiv 19:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: clifford, rajiv, jsaw, Pyro, rolla 19:42 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, jsaw, clifford, Pyro, rajiv 19:43 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw, rajiv, clifford 19:43 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:43 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 19:43 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:44 -!- Pyro [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 19:44 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:45 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 19:45 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.133.216.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:47 -!- avbjr85 [Alan@0-2pool74-38.nas8.clearwater1.fl.us.da.qwest.net] has left #rocklinux () 19:57 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.133.216.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 20:21 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.133.216.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:22 < rxr> ree 20:23 < netrunne1> rxr: this is deer in english, please note the channel language, thank you. 20:23 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 20:23 < daja77> re rxr 20:23 < daja77> netrunner: :-p 20:23 < netrunner> daja77: you again! 20:23 < daja77> yep 20:24 < daja77> hmm dunno why again but fits well 20:24 * netrunner opens a 50 pieces package of toffifee 20:24 < netrunner> daja77: whatever pleases you :) 20:25 * daja77 steals two toffifees from netrunner 20:29 < netrunner> daja77: ah, now it says only 48 on it ... you're magic! 20:29 < daja77> :) 20:31 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:31 < netrunner> finally. 20:32 < netrunner> anybody here has experience with netflow? 20:34 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:43 < cannibal> moin 20:48 < jsaw> bbl 20:48 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 20:50 < rolla> grrr 20:52 < cannibal> hi rolla 20:53 < rolla> hallo cannibal 20:56 * cannibal currently installing debian-3.0r1 20:57 < daja77> muhahaha 20:57 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:58 < cannibal> daja77: what's wrong? 21:04 < rolla> cannibal: why bother with debian 21:04 < cannibal> rolla: bother? 21:04 < rolla> it is a waste of bits on the internet 21:04 < cannibal> *lol* why? 21:05 < rolla> cause it is 21:06 < rolla> better to us gentoo than debian 21:06 < rolla> heck I would take redhat over debian 21:13 < rxr> gentoo then debain *lol* nope 21:13 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-187.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 21:13 < rxr> the other way round - but but rl over debian ... 21:14 < daja77> rl > redhat > debian 21:16 < rxr> yes - and then at the end somewhere gentoo ... 21:18 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-187.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:18 < daja77> hehe 21:19 < rxr> ok - I quit the ssh for tonight - but I'll continue some bits on the iBook 21:19 < rxr> cu 21:19 < netrunner> cu rxr 21:19 < daja77> cu rxr 21:25 < SMP> netrunner: yes, quite a bit netflow clue here 21:26 < netrunner> 21:26 < SMP> pardon? 21:26 < netrunner> SMP: do you use it for accounting? 21:26 < netrunner> SMP: or .. what tool(s) do you use? 21:27 < SMP> I used it for accounting until like 18 months ago 21:28 < SMP> I used flow-tools with some Perl processor and MySQL backend 21:29 < netrunner> SMP: I decided today (after some trys) for flow-tools -> flowscan -> perl 21:30 < netrunner> where the last I currently run (CUFlow) does not really fit my needs and crys for reimplementation. 21:30 < netrunner> I need something where I can select the traffic between 2 given routers. 21:30 < SMP> I can't even remember what flowscan does .. 21:31 < SMP> well, how can this traffic be identified? 21:31 < netrunner> SMP: take the collected flows and create rrd files out of it 21:32 * SMP now uses nitpicker on BSD boxen 21:32 < netrunner> SMP: from the routers. I work at a (huge) datacenter that is main connection points for multiple subcompanies over the world. 21:33 < SMP> you need to be more specific 21:34 < SMP> can it be identified by the source / destination IP address, the outgoing/incoming interface on the router or the next-hop / destination autonomous system (if you're running BGP) 21:34 < netrunner> SMP: nitpicker just sniffs and writes down what it sees. I get flowdata from about 30 ciscos 21:35 < SMP> I know that nitpicker is not exactly a replacement for netflow ;) 21:35 < netrunner> SMP: what I need is some thing for or like flowscan, that has support for multiple seperate subnets. CUFlow takes everything defined as subnet into one large 'local' net :( 21:36 < netrunner> hm ... I'll probably write something myself, or adapt CUFlow if the code is not to ugly ;) 21:36 < SMP> I tried hacking flow-tools code - it was too ugly 21:37 < netrunner> SMP: the flow tools work fine for me, they just take and store. it's the step after that which bugs me 21:38 < SMP> flow2rrd.pl 21:38 < SMP> Converts a cisco NetFlow stream into set of RRDtool files, based on set of IP netmasks. 21:40 < netrunner> SMP: fine, that site is off dns, do you have that? 21:41 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-187.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 21:43 < SMP> no :( 21:44 < netrunner> SMP: never mind. I am basically satisfied with what flowscan does. the config needs to be extended. 21:44 < netrunner> SMP: but thanks for your cent :) 21:44 < SMP> sure 21:48 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-187.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:51 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9B9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:56 < tcr> moin all 21:56 < daja77> moin tcr 21:58 < rxr> re 21:58 < daja77> O_o 21:59 < rxr> oO ? 22:00 < daja77> just wondering, it sounded like you were off this evening :) 22:00 < rxr> yes 22:00 < SMP> A package/gnome24 22:01 < SMP> OMG 22:01 < rxr> wanted to query jsaw ... 22:01 < rxr> D package/gnome2 22:01 < daja77> well you definitely have no need to apologize ;) 22:02 < rxr> this samba on PPC problem is really messy ... :-( 22:02 < SMP> yeah, gnome24 is ok, I just wanted to do a 'quick' svn up before the next build of my target ;) 22:02 < daja77> hehe 22:02 < rxr> I hope you do not have gnome stuff in your target ... 22:03 < SMP> it's called 'vpn', so guess what ;) 22:03 < tcr> Hmm, what made somewhat wonder was that gtk-xfce-* was moved to gnome24 from xfce, I guess? 22:03 < rxr> I already guessed you are not into any GUI thing ... 22:04 < SMP> but why the *fuck* did scripts/Config delete my pkgsel 22:04 < daja77> btw my beta6 based main machine reached an uptime of 70 days today 22:05 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:07 < netrunner> hi Lorini :) 22:07 < daja77> :) 22:07 < rxr> all the last uptimes of my boxes have been caused by power shortages ... 22:07 < daja77> lucky me i guess 22:07 < Lorini> huhu netrunner 22:08 < rxr> uptime resets even ... 22:10 < daja77> damn things is that i managed to get crap software to run on it which i need, so i don't wanna update this box, and for sure not with rc1 22:10 < daja77> one strange thing i noticed, i told you of that one laptop where rock bootloader install failed, rh works on that machine *gnarf* 22:10 < blindcoder> hrm... esdens and mine debian-server did wrap around its uptime to 0 recently... 22:11 < rolla> wow 22:11 < SMP> I have a box that wrapped twice 22:12 < daja77> well i set up this machine 70 days ago, so ... 22:12 < rolla> at what time does it wrap? 22:12 < blindcoder> 43x days or something... 22:12 < SMP> 497d 22:12 < blindcoder> 49x? oh.... my bad ^^ 22:14 < SMP> 497*24*60*60*100 ~ 2^32 22:14 < SMP> at HZ=100 22:15 < blindcoder> hmm... our debianmachine usually spit out something along the lines of "invalid HZ value, using 100" 22:16 < SMP> then maybe you're cheating with a higher HZ value ;) 22:17 < rolla> ./ 22:29 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-187.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 22:32 < blindcoder> hrm 22:32 < blindcoder> syncing 5 MB onto a Palm takes some time 22:32 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:42 < nookie_> Pyro: Are you there? 22:45 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:52 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@129.70.207.63] has joined #rocklinux 22:53 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-066-149.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:58 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:07 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-080-104.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:13 < rxr> n8 all 23:15 < tcr> gn8 rxr 23:22 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:23 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has left #rocklinux ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 23:25 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@129.70.207.63] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:33 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:34 < jsaw> re 23:34 < jsaw> XFree86 Version 4.3.99.14 23:34 < jsaw> <- seems to work well 23:36 < daja77> you missed rxr unfortunately 23:36 < jsaw> daja77: why? 23:37 < daja77> 23:13 < rxr> n8 all 23:37 < jsaw> daja77: I meant: why? did he wanted to talk to me? 23:38 < daja77> yes 23:38 < jsaw> my box was down, I have no log, sth. important? 23:38 < daja77> 22:01 < rxr> wanted to query jsaw ... 23:38 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9B9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:39 < daja77> dunno what this was about, maybe gnome stuff 23:39 < jsaw> probably. another time another chance... 23:39 < daja77> hehe sure :) 23:39 < jsaw> brave new world: gdb 6.0 --- Log closed Wed Oct 22 00:00:00 2003