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04:49 < rolla> re
04:58 < rolla> ls
05:04 < Mike1> bash: ls: command not found
05:05 < Mike1> :)
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06:20 < cchamilt> Hey Mike1
06:21 < cchamilt> tripwire is not compiling correctly - it never finishes creating keys.  So you can skip testing it :( .
06:22 < Mike1> cchamilt: grrr ok
06:22 < Mike1> ni hao ma cchamilt?
06:23 < cchamilt> sysklogd-sql is now working, but I will sync it with my server when ready (I want to use it there).  Need to make a 'choose your system logger' type thing like for it. Might need to change its file names too incase you want both sysklogd and it.
06:23 < cchamilt> No, I don't know that language.
06:24 < cchamilt> Not sure why you would want sysklogd and sysklogd-sql since they are the same thing except a sql patch applied.
06:24 < Mike1> i said how are you ?
06:25 < Mike1> that was mandarin
06:25 < Mike1> ok momemt phone
06:25 < cchamilt> I thought so, but only because it was a short sentence. Yes, I figured it was mandarin.  Not that I could tell it from anything.
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06:38 < cchamilt> Most people around here dont speak mandarin natively here, just various other chinese languages.  They teach mandarin and most can understand/talk in it.
06:39 < Mike1> haha
06:39 < Mike1> so please keep updating me on the pkgs stuff please
06:58 < SMP> am I the only one for whom everything of 0-gcc3 just disappears after the build? ;-O
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07:05 < cchamilt> Dont know, what do you mean smp?
07:07 < SMP> well, gcc3 stage 0 installs two dozen or so symlinks unter root/, pointing into tools.cross/
07:07 < SMP> flist stuff finds 29 files for the package
07:07 < SMP> then *poof* they're gone
07:08 < cchamilt> I havent noticed it.
07:08 < SMP> when did you do the last 0-gcc3 build?
07:09 < cchamilt> Hmm, let me look at the build.  It finished a few days ago.
07:09 < SMP> then it's ok for you. it wouldn't continue if the gcc stuff vanished from root/ ;)
07:09 < cchamilt> ls tools.cross/crosscc/
07:10 < cchamilt> .                                   i386-pc-linux-gnu-kcc
07:10 < cchamilt> ..                                  i386-pc-linux-gnu-kcc-3
07:10 < cchamilt> i386-pc-linux-gnu-addr2line         i386-pc-linux-gnu-ld
07:10 < cchamilt> i386-pc-linux-gnu-ar                i386-pc-linux-gnu-nm
07:10 < cchamilt> Maybe your build is trying to do something screwy, maybe try and do a new config?
07:11 < cchamilt> My build was last week's one before rxr woke up.
07:12 < cchamilt> Oh and a general caution to all people upgrading glibc and gcc:
07:12 < cchamilt> gcc2 and glibc2.2 is OK. gcc3 and glibc2.3 is OK. NO OTHER COMBINATION WORKS!
07:13 < cchamilt> gcc3 tends to trigger thread conflicts where there shouldn't be in glibc2.2, and we know glibc2.3 requires gcc3.
07:13 < SMP> what kind of 'upgrading' do you mean here?
07:14 < cchamilt> gcc3 and a glib2.2 system causes a thread initiation problem in apache - if apache is linked to openldap.
07:15 < cchamilt> apache and openldap linked to glibc2.3 do not have the problem, and from what I can see it IS a glibc2.2 problem.
07:15 < cchamilt> Both with glibc2.2 built with 2.95 and 3.
07:16 < cchamilt> So gcc3 is breaking assumptions of glibc2.2 someway in this wierd situation.
07:19 < cchamilt> I also ran into thread problems if the glibc2.3 and gcc3 upgrade was not done for every library. Though, that isn't too surprising.
07:20 < cchamilt> It just makes me wonder how the heck a binary distro with legacy packages (ones not rebuilt with the current chain) can even pretend to be safe.
07:23 < SMP> I suppose no distro would do that
07:24 < cchamilt> heh, no.  Assuming redhat stopped.
07:24 < cchamilt> How does debian do rebuilds?
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07:25 < cchamilt> I thought they did builds over old 'golden' versions.
07:26 < cchamilt> I think mandrake is doing rebuilds, not sure about suse.
07:26 < SMP> AFAIK package maintainer just upload their binary package and then swear an oath that it was built on a well defined system
07:27 < cchamilt> Hmm, debian guy I talked to said there were donated specific systems that were where things were built.
07:29 < cchamilt> That is why they use fakeroot too.
07:29 < cchamilt> I haven't used redhat really since 7 something, but I know there were old crufty packages in there.
07:36 < cchamilt> going for food brb.
07:51 < SMP> interesting - 0-gcc3 works with a default cfg
07:53 < cchamilt> back, probably broke your other config. I did that once doing cross build experiment.
08:30 * rajiv is away: gone
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09:16 < netrunner> good morning.
09:41 < rxr> re
09:41 < cannibal> moin *yaaawn*
09:50 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:52 < netrunner> anybody can tell me how I can background a ssh from bash while keeping its pid?
09:53 < netrunner> SSHPID=`ssh blablabla &`  hangs same as SSHPID=$( ssh blabla &)  or SSHPID=`ssh -f blablabla`
09:58 < blindcoder> $!
09:58 < blindcoder> ssh -f blabla
09:58 < blindcoder> echo $!
09:59 < netrunner> huch, was ist denn $! ?
09:59 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# yes >/dev/null 2>&1 &
09:59 < blindcoder> [1] 7907
09:59 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# echo $!
09:59 < blindcoder> 7907
09:59 < blindcoder>        !      Expands to the process ID of the most  recently  executed  back-
09:59 < blindcoder>               ground (asynchronous) command.
09:59 < blindcoder> from `man bash` :)
10:00 < netrunner> blindcoder: *knuddel*
10:00 < blindcoder> *freu* :)
10:03 < cannibal> *lol*
10:04 < cannibal> hi blindy, netrunner
10:05 < Mike1> hello all.
10:05 < Mike1> hej [anders]_!
10:05 < cannibal> hi Mike1 ! :)
10:05 < Mike1> hello cannibal :)
10:06 < cannibal> how are you?
10:08 < Mike1> sick :( and you ?
10:08 < blindcoder> hi cannibal 
10:08 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 
10:08 < cannibal> oh, get on well soon. i'm too tired to get information about how i am
10:08 < netrunner> argl. I cannot use -f because then $1 is empty. if I use & to background ssh, my script continues to build the next tunnel through the first, but the first is not even up :(
10:09 < Mike1> thanks cannibal even though i guess it will take 1 or 2 weeks to recover .. i really feel terrible
10:09 < Mike1> hello blindcoder
10:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: sleep 10 ?
10:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: you are bizarre.
10:09 < blindcoder> while [ ! nc localhost:port ] ; sleep 1 ; done
10:09 < cannibal> Mike1: O_o what do you have?
10:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: dhat would do. :)
10:10 < blindcoder> hm... nc might stall waiting for input...
10:13 < netrunner> unary operator expected?
10:13 < netrunner> argl, desktop does not include netcat :(
10:17 < blindcoder> try telnet
10:17 < netrunner> yes, I do. but I alwazs get   [: Trying: unary operator expected
10:17 < netrunner> (when i put the command in backticks)
10:18 < netrunner> without them it wants a binary operator.
10:19 < Mike1> cannibal: lets just say that colds kick my ass
10:20 < cannibal> Mike1: ok... 
10:20 < Mike1> cannibal: if i am lucky i will die
10:20 < cannibal> Mike1: *kick* .oO(that's my turn)
10:21 < Mike1> no me first 
10:21 < blindcoder> netrunner: I rarely do somethirg like this, maybe my syntax is b0rken
10:21 < cannibal> Mike1: no!
10:22 < Mike1> sorry.. have no control on that..
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10:23 < cannibal> hi dev0 
10:23 < cannibal> Mike1: *grmpf*
10:24 < blindcoder> http://www.hackles.org/strips/cartoon343.png
10:24 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
10:26 < cannibal> *lol*
10:34 < netrunner> hm ... while [[ 0 < $( echo "quit" | telnet localhost:port ) ]] works partially 
10:36 < netrunner> ah ... s/0 < /!/
10:36 < netrunner> and an additional sleep 3 behind and it works.
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10:37 < netrunner> cya later
10:37 < blindcoder> baba
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11:49 < cannibal> wb hannes 
11:50 < hannes> rehi
11:51 < blindcoder> hi hannes 
11:51 < hannes> hi blindy
11:52 < blindcoder> hmm... the LVP website looks okay now, I think...
11:52 < rxr> re
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11:53 < Mike1> hi rxr
11:55 < rxr> hi Mike1 
11:57 * rxr away again ...
12:33 < netrunner> *rofl* http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,270719,00.html
12:54 * netrunner is bored
12:54 < blindcoder> Das Bundesjustizministerium ist der Auffassung, dass die Frage nur durch ein Gericht zu klären sei. Das Programm "Windows" kenne man zu wenig.
12:54 < blindcoder> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
13:01 < blindcoder> So, someone just has to invent a copy-protection that's stupid enough and makes an OS illegal?
13:01 < blindcoder> hmm...
13:01 < netrunner> AAAAAHHHHHH http://www.sm6rpz.se/a4.html
13:02 * netrunner jumps in a circle
13:02 < blindcoder> What about printing "This CD is not playable in PCs" and sue the OS-Companies for playing it nonetheless?
13:08 < netrunner> blindcoder: you should write: playing this cd costs 1k$ per use
13:10 < blindcoder> nah, that'd be considered "unreasonable" by a court. "This CD copy-protected by this imprinting. It prevents it from being played in a PC without circumventing the Protection." (Circumventing would be: Taking the CD out of the case so that the printing doesn't work anymore)
13:10 < blindcoder> I bet there'd be a judge stupid enough to believe it
13:11 < netrunner> sell empty cds that say this cd is not playable.
13:11 * netrunner thinks about trying that on ebay.
13:11 < blindcoder> hmm... you might get into copyright-problems here either.
13:11 < blindcoder> Some artist has the copyright on silence.
13:11 < blindcoder> and he enforces it.
13:12 < netrunner> just switch a bit now and then :)
13:12 < blindcoder> well... that would do...
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13:15 * netrunner goes home now.
13:15 < netrunner> want to try if I finally after 5 years managed to choose a4 as default for printing.
13:15 < blindcoder> hehe
13:15 < blindcoder> good luck
13:16 < Mike1> *grin*
13:17 < netrunner> Mike1: *kick*
13:17 * netrunner submits a patch for gs to default to a4 :)
13:28 < Mike1> netrunner: what did i do to you ? 
13:35 < daja77> hi Mike1 
13:36 < Mike1> hi Daniel
13:36 < cannibal> someone knows, if esden is alive?
13:36 < cannibal> hi daja77 
13:36 < daja77> hi cannibal 
13:36 < blindcoder> esden is dead
13:36 < daja77> hm?
13:36 < cannibal> hmmm... seams so... 
13:36 < blindcoder> well, might as well be
13:37 < blindcoder> counting how much time he's got at his hand for people considering him a friend
13:37 < cannibal> hoeh?
13:37 < blindcoder> nai, zero, nada, niente
13:38 < daja77> he is writing diploma, right?
13:38 < cannibal> hmmm... he told me some time ago, that he will have to learn till in 2 weeks (don't know when those 2 days will end... guess this or next week) might this is a reason?
13:38 < blindcoder> they ended last friday
13:39 < cannibal> hrm
13:40 < daja77> think he said sth about diploma stuff
13:40 < daja77> everybody who is writing diploma is unreacheable for some time ;-)
13:41 < blindcoder> well esden has been unreachable for some time already
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13:41 < daja77> a friend of mine has been unreachable for almost one year due stuff like that
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14:10 < blindcoder> sucks
14:21 < daja77> hm?
14:21 < blindcoder> having to forget everyone around just for some lousy piece of paper
14:22 < daja77> well it might be lousy in the end, but creating it is hard work ;-)
14:23 < cannibal> .oO(how to convert OM-XML-file to html,rtf,pdf?)
14:23 < daja77> OM-XML?
14:24 < cannibal> openmedia-specific-XML-file
14:24 < daja77> dunno, guess there $program for that
14:24 < cannibal> hmmm. :-(
14:24 < daja77> or you write your own parser :p
14:25 < cannibal> oh thx...now i feel burning. *puke*
14:25 < daja77> burning?
14:25 < cannibal> burning like in hell
14:25 < cannibal> because of writing parser in c# and so... 
14:26 < daja77> hehe, maybe there are ready libs for that
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14:27 < cannibal> hmm. maybe... problem: how to find it because the .ARG-crap is not really well documented...
14:27 < daja77> you expect me to know that?
14:27 < cannibal> sure :p
14:28 < daja77> ask mnemoc_ :))
14:28 < blindcoder> I'm starting to like Battle Programmer Shirase :D
14:28 < daja77> who?
14:28 < cannibal> *har* mnemoc_ ! come to me! i need you! ;p
14:28 < cannibal> shirase?
14:29 < blindcoder> Battle Programmer Shirase :D
14:29 < daja77> sth like Battle Angel Alita
14:29 < blindcoder> It's an anime about a cracker. He has just beaten a "supercomputer" using a mobile phone and its 9600 baud connection :D
14:29 < daja77> rofl
14:29 < cannibal> ah so... *lol* *verpeilt*
14:30 < netrunner> esden was reportedly seen at the uni today. 
14:30 < blindcoder> huhuhuhuhu
14:30 < cannibal> so he's alive... hmmmm
14:30 < netrunner> not by me ... he didn't visit the lectures I thought to have in common with him.
14:30 < blindcoder> so it seems like he's alive after all
14:31 < daja77> as i said to you :p
14:31 < blindcoder> well, skipping class is obligatory for a student...
14:31 < cannibal> netrunner: when you see him next time, please give him a big kick from my...
14:31 < cytrinox`-> moin
14:31 < daja77> blindcoder: ack, hehe
14:31 < cannibal> hi cytrinox`- 
14:33 < blindcoder> oh, I forgot to mention
14:33 < blindcoder> he was hired by a company to do so.
14:33 < blindcoder> His pay was a 4-channel SCSI-Controller which isn't manufactured anymore.
14:33 < netrunner> f****** AAAH! :((
14:34 < Mike1> blindy I'm looking to print some cool geek posters for my office, got some urls for me?
14:34 < blindcoder> netrunner: let me guess: it doesn't work
14:34 < netrunner> now with the default set to a4 the pstoraster segfaults when calling gs
14:34 < blindcoder> Mike1: hrm... you might want to ask Wim from openbsd... or clifford... I never printed any posters myself
14:34 < daja77> are you trying to tell us that cups sucks
14:35 < netrunner> daja77: no. cups is l337. but the epsgs they supply sucks too much 
14:35 < Mike1> blindy ok.
14:35 < daja77> netrunner: i tend to hate both
14:36 < netrunner> daja77: so you use the original gs?
14:37 < netrunner> daja77: have a package for that?
14:37 < rolla> re
14:37 < daja77> nope cups works now for my printer
14:38 < daja77> but maybe you get the latest version and recompile it
14:38 < daja77> hi rolla 
14:45 < cannibal> hi rolla 
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15:07 < rolla> grrr
15:07 < rolla> so many stupied people in the world :(
15:08 < blindcoder> that's a fact
15:08 < rolla> yeah but why do I seem to have to deal with all of them
15:09 < blindcoder> I can guarantee you, you don't have to deal with them _all_
15:10 < blindcoder> you'd die if you had to
15:10 < rolla> it seems like it
15:15 < daja77> poor rolla 
15:18 < rolla> \
15:19 < netrunner> hm ... rebuild helped .... doesn't segfault ... printer starts receiving data
15:19 < netrunner> ... starts movin ...
15:20 < netrunner> prints a completely black page :(
15:21 < rolla> suck
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15:26 < blindcoder> hannes: will you be at bitz today?
15:31 < daja77> erh sucks
15:33 < hannes> blindcoder: no
15:33 < blindcoder> hannes: ok
15:33 * hannes is learning for his math test tomorrow
15:34 < hannes> i should ;)
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16:53 < netrunner> wonderful. the new ghostscript prints only black pages.
16:54 < cannibal> kewl. goth-pages *g*
16:56 * cannibal chucks c#-code to netrunner 's head *vbeg*
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17:25 < starlord> cannibal:you use mono for c#?
17:26 < cannibal> starlord: i'm forced to use windows && visual studio.net
17:27 < starlord> cannibal:have you used/tested mono lately? i'm wondering how stable that is and how much .net functionality is already implemented
17:28 < cannibal> starlord: i haven't
17:30 < cannibal> starlord: do you know if the "System.Windows.Forms" etc. are implemented, too?
17:31 < daja77> starlord: ask mnemoc_ about this :)
17:32 < rolla> daja77: 
17:32 < starlord> cannibal:now all of it, if i remember correctly. there is gtk port?
17:32 < starlord> now all of it=not all of it :)
17:33 < daja77> rolla: 
17:33 < cannibal> starlord: ah. k. thx
17:33 < daja77> gtk# afaik
17:33 < starlord> but you can use "normal" windows.forms but the app is "forced" to run  through wine
17:34 < cannibal> ok. thx
17:35 < cannibal> and ado.net is already implemented?
17:35 < daja77> why not look at the mono project page?
17:35 < cannibal> too lazy
17:36 < starlord> cannibal:all most all of it,althought i have never tested it on under mono
17:36 < cannibal> hehe. lucky man.
17:37 < cannibal> waeh! this tea's taste is awful!
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17:44 < armijn> 'lo
17:44 < armijn> just passing by to say "hi"
17:44 < cannibal> hi armijn !
17:44 < armijn> so...
17:44 < armijn> "hi"
17:45 < cannibal> armijn: how are you?
17:46 < armijn> tired.
17:46 < cannibal> .oO(oh boy, i know this feeling soooooo well)
17:46 < daja77> hey armijn 
17:47 < armijn> hiya
17:48 < armijn> had to get up way too early this morning, had to give a talk at 11am
17:48 < armijn> and got home late yesterday
17:48 * daja77 feels the same way :)
17:49 < cannibal> *g* 
17:49 < armijn> heh, but you didn't see Motorhead, I did >-)
17:49 < daja77> hehehe, gig junkie :)
17:50 < cannibal> full ack. 
17:50 < armijn> definitely.
17:50 < daja77> nice to see you here again ;-)
17:51 < armijn> as I said, just stopping by.
17:51 < armijn> will leave again soon
17:51 < daja77> well stop by whenever you please
17:51 < armijn> yeh
17:51 < daja77> :)
17:52 < cannibal> and a bit more often, please
17:52 < daja77> hehe owl always demanding :p
17:53 < cannibal> sure ;p
17:53 < armijn> pff
17:53 < cannibal> hihi, poor old dutch boy ;p
17:53 < daja77> armijn: don't worry she is like that :)
17:53 < armijn> I'm not old.
17:53 * daja77 is older
17:54 < cannibal> *g* daja77 = grand-grandpa, armijn = grandpa.. :p
17:54 < armijn> yeh, go bug daja77]
17:55 < daja77> and owl is little kid
17:55 < cannibal> sure. *hypf*
17:55 * daja77 getting some sweeties for little owl :p
17:56 < cannibal> kewl. my box of bonbons was already getting more and more empty. i need no one ;))) thx daja77 *bow*
17:56 < armijn> it makes you fat.
17:56 < cannibal> armijn: nah. not really. 
17:56 < daja77> makes her fat O_o
17:56 * daja77 runs
17:56 < cannibal> daja77: *kick* 
17:57 < cannibal> and: i guess i'm doing enough sport to reduce my weight (and i don't mean the daily run to the tram)
17:58 < armijn> heh
17:58 < cannibal> armijn: ?
17:59 * daja77 likes to see owl running
17:59 < armijn> daja77: it arouses you?
18:00 < daja77> not it amuses me i guess
18:00 < daja77> <- fun seeker
18:00 < armijn> well, weird humour then...
18:00 < nookie_> Heya armijn :)
18:00 < cannibal> daja77: running? nah... horse-riding ;p
18:01 * armijn gives cannibal a carrot
18:01 < daja77> you call that sport, letting a horse carrying your weight
18:01 * daja77 prepares to get killed
18:01 < cannibal> daja77: muhahaha. i'm riding "dressur" - and believe me, it really is sport
18:02 < daja77> oh really, ok in that case
18:02 < daja77> and do the horses obey you
18:02 < cannibal> armijn: just piped carrot with lemon please
18:03 < daja77> armijn: you should feed her with sugar
18:03 < cannibal> yes, mostly... i'm still on a too low level (e-dressur), but i'm getting better and better, especially since i have private-lessons once a week and i'm having a second lession on almost every wednesday.
18:03 < cannibal> daja77: aeh?
18:03 < daja77> they are doin what you want from them?
18:04 * cannibal jumps to the next WC now and after that to the train
18:04 < cannibal> daja77: yes. 
18:04 < armijn> e-dressur
18:04 < armijn> as in you control it with a joystick?
18:04 < daja77> hehehe
18:04 < daja77> if it is a male horse ...
18:04 < cannibal> i still  have problems with "schenkel-weichen" etc. but i can ride in every tempo all "bahnfiguren"
18:04 < armijn> oi!
18:04 < cannibal> *lol* men
18:05 < armijn> I meant a real joystick...
18:05 < armijn> you know, hook the horse up to USB or so
18:05 < daja77> are there other O_o
18:05 < armijn> or maybe it's a virtual horse
18:05 < cannibal> nah... 
18:05 < cannibal> but now... off
18:05 < cannibal> bye
18:06 < daja77> cu cannibal 
18:08 < armijn> well, am off
18:08 < armijn> cu
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18:08 < daja77> cu armijn 
18:11 < starlord> hmm,anyone know how can i import verisign certificate to tomcat?
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19:30 < rolla> re
19:30 < mnemoc_> re2
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19:51 < nookie_> http://www.ircm.de/pics/fun/biber.jpg
19:54 < rolla> why is this funny? http://www.ircm.de/pics/fun/31337-munich-police.jpg
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20:17 < daja77> l33t plate i guess
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22:09 < tcr> moin all
22:10 < rxr> re
22:10 < daja77> wb rxr
22:12 < rxr> hi daja77 
22:12 * tcr builds together a new luminaire from Ikea
22:12 < tcr> is building, actually
22:20 < cannibal> remoin
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22:34 < daja77> rxr: I played around with new rtai branch to decide if i upgrade now, or wait, haven't decided yet :)
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22:49 < jsaw> re
22:49 < jsaw> hi all
22:50 < rxr> hi jsaw 
22:50 < daja77> hi jsaw 
22:50 < daja77> this is nice rtai can now emulate apis from other rt os like vxworks
22:50 < jsaw> rxr: daja77 told me yesterday or the day before you wanted to ask me sth.?
22:51 < rxr> hm - yes
22:52 < rxr> I mainly miss the *xml.conf s.th. file needed by at least one (?) gnome24 package
22:52 < rxr> and the postsysfile s.th. needs to be discussed / sorted out
22:52 < jsaw> oh, libglade, i forgot to comment it out.
22:52 < rxr> aside from this gnome24 compiled quite good on susan's computer ...
22:53 < daja77> hehe you are abusing girl's computers too?
22:53 < jsaw> 3 packages will fail, dia, rythmbox and seahorse IIRC
22:53 < cannibal> http://www.winsoft.de/fo_beitrag.html?nr=184&id=8248&li=50 < *g*
22:53 < blindcoder>   seahorse needs older gpgme, doesn't it?
22:53 < jsaw> yep
22:53 < rxr> daja77: nope - she likes gnome - this was not abusing ...
22:54 < daja77> hehe
22:54 * netrunne1 just learned what initrd's are usually for 
22:54 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
22:54 < blindcoder> I have it packaged and working (compiling AND working) here... just installed older gpgme to /opt/gpgme_${ver}
22:54 < blindcoder> I still don't get where the initrd is stored...
22:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: to /boot/ ?
22:55 < blindcoder> and /boot is... where?
22:55 < blindcoder> /de/scsi/somewhere/in/here/
22:56 < jsaw> either on your rootfs or whatever you mounted to /boot/
22:56 < tcr> blindcoder: `mount' will tell ya
22:57 < blindcoder> sure, but that won't solve the problem of having a scsi disk and the driver only as a module... or did I misread rene's mail?
22:57 < tcr> Sorry, don't what you're talking about. Just gave an answer to your implicit question :)
22:58 < tcr> +know
22:58 < blindcoder> on the mailinglist someone said his kernel wasn't able to boot because it couldn't mount the rootfs
22:58 < tcr> Ah, you're referencing to rxr's last eMail?
22:58 < tcr> Let me read it first
22:58 < blindcoder> okay
22:59 < tcr> Read 
23:00 < jsaw> blindcoder: are you asking where initrd is stored or how it is loaded?
23:00 < blindcoder> jsaw: hrm... loaded... I think
23:00 < netrunner> blindcoder: the initrd is loaded via the bootloader
23:01 < tcr> blindcoder: You can explicitely load modules from an initrd, in a very early state of the kernel, so that  you for instance can load a module for the root filesystem
23:01 < netrunner> he loads kernel and initrd. this is what the initrd option in their configs is for
23:01 < blindcoder> so the bootloader knows how to acces "any" hard disk?
23:01 < jsaw> it should :)
23:01 < netrunner> blindcoder: he sees what the bios tells him.
23:02 < tcr> blindcoder: Eh, of course. How else should it find your kernel image? :)
23:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: if you have like a SAN that does not work until initialized by some drivers you have a hard time
23:02 < blindcoder> hmm... I see...
23:03 * netrunner -> bed
23:03 < blindcoder> sorry, I'm not too familiar with the detais of the boot process >_<
23:03 < tcr> gn8 netrunner
23:03 < blindcoder> oyasumi
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23:03 < jsaw> cu netrunner
23:05 < tcr> blindcoder: me not really, too :) Just use your good sense (wtf is a good english expression for Ger. Verstand?)
23:06 < tcr> OTH it's already quite late...
23:06 < blindcoder> common sense
23:06 < blindcoder> commomn sense == Gesunder Menschenverstand
23:07 < blindcoder> well, I've been told today that mine is lost, so I guess I'm excused :P
23:08 < tcr> Wouldn't translate common sense with Gesunder Menschenverstand
23:08 < blindcoder> but it is so
23:08 < blindcoder> http://dict.leo.org/?search=common+sense
23:11 < tcr> Well, yeah.. but it's gesunder Menschenverstand in a more specific regard
23:11 < blindcoder> logic?
23:11 < blindcoder> instead of common sense?
23:12 < tcr> No I mean "gesunder Menschenverstand" as in "common sense" is more "Verstand" as in Kant's Kategorischen Imperativ
23:12 < daja77> .oO
23:12 < tcr> :) Ok, I'll shut up (looking at the watch again)
23:12 < blindcoder> Kant's... what? Now I'm totally lost
23:13 < daja77> philosphy blindy
23:13 * blindcoder runs away screaming
23:13 * blindcoder curls up in a dark corner
23:13 < daja77> hehe
23:13 < SMP> does gnome24 share any sources with gnome2?
23:14 < blindcoder> good night, everyone!
23:14 < daja77> n8 blindcoder 
23:15 < rxr> SMP: theoretically some - but as far as I have seen all packages got at least a version bump ...
23:15 < tcr> Fundamentally: "Handle nur nach derjenigen Maxime, durch die du zugleich wollen kannst, dass sie ein allgemeines Gesetz werde."
23:15 < tcr> blindcoder: _Kinda_ related to Jesus' Hauptregel "[...] Liebe deinen Nächsten wie dich selbst."
23:16 < tcr> But put in a wider context
23:17 < blindcoder> I guess now would be a bad time to state that I don't like that guy in the mirror...
23:17 < blindcoder> but, oh well, the bed is calling....
23:17 < blindcoder> night
23:18 < tcr> gn8
23:18 < SMP> 9-libncurses still breaks the build badly
23:19 < tcr> SMP: jimmy's recent patch included?
23:19 < SMP> not if it's not in trunk
23:20 < tcr> afaik, rene hasn't applied it. Afaik he hasn't stated any opinion on that yet.
23:21 < rxr> tcr: yes - I was too busy recently ...
23:21 < tcr> No blame intended :)
23:22 < rxr> I have not read blame - I just wanted to mention it ;-)
23:22 < tcr> SMP: <oprwy1e9t0rq6bbr@localhost>
23:23 < tcr> Apply that patch and do again Build-Target with [x] Retry broken packages
23:24 < rxr> jsaw: I have many .cc files that cause display/indenting errors in XEmacs - sometimes tiny sometimes rather hefty - up to 2 seconds delay after each key-press ...
23:24 < rxr> :-(
23:24 < rxr> I'm allready thinking about yet another editor
23:25 * daja77 now into c++ coding too
23:25 < daja77> at beginner's level of course ;-)
23:26 < tcr> rxr: Better yet would be to contact the xmacs crew. I know from sTurnbull that feedback is generally lacking and thus very welcome
23:26 < rxr> really? The indenting code looks like extreme crap
23:27 < rxr> it even contains comments that is should not be changed because the authros do not know anymore why it worked
23:27 < daja77> O_o
23:27 < tcr> Heh
23:27 < daja77> legacy crap ...
23:28 < rxr> also really parsing instead of soem pseudo regex or so would be nice - as well as more sophisticated completation and so on ...
23:28 < rxr> like kontext sensitive navigation ...
23:28 < rxr> context even ... ;-)
23:29 < daja77> kontext as in kde :))
23:29 < rxr> konext asn in de_DE ...
23:29 < daja77> i know but kde ppl do this too to english words with c ;-)
23:30 < rxr> yeah - I know
23:30 < rxr> cde -> kde ;-)
23:30 < tcr> rxr: I bet if it exists at all, it's likely that something is there for emacsen
23:32 < tcr> After all, I have a script for sophisticated code completion (for C) for Vim on my todo list. Though that will require me to learn the vim-script language first, that's the major showstopper atm
23:32 < jsaw> rxr: well... 
23:33 < daja77> tcr: hehe indeed
23:35 < jsaw> rxr: did you ever work with anjuta?
23:35 < rxr> I tried times ago ...
23:35 < rxr> I tried kate recently - but ...
23:36 < daja77> kate, you liked it?!
23:36 < tcr> jsaw: I looked at it (looking the website and documentation etc), decided to stick to vim because anjuta is just for c/c++ and java
23:36 < daja77> vim the ide for every language ;-)
23:37 < tcr> daja77: You consider the vim-script language as a bit too perlish, as in awkward and unreadable, too?
23:37 < daja77> it even can be used for sql
23:37 < rxr> daja77: some parts - but it is far too limitted ...
23:37 < daja77> tcr: i forgot about it ^^
23:37 < tcr> daja77: why the "hehe indeed" then?
23:38 < daja77> well i had a short glance at it and decided against writing patterns with it
23:38 < daja77> had no time then
23:38 < tcr> daja77: Well, vim is just an editor (and it should stay being one!).. but it's easily possible to build IDE on top of it, for example with a well scriptable window manager.
23:40 < daja77> i am quite happy with an editor
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23:41 < daja77> you could plug in vim into visual c++
23:41 * daja77 ducks
23:42 < tcr> rxr: If I was an emacsen user, I'd prolly try out http://www.xref-tech.com/xrefactory/
23:44 < tcr> Unfortunately, I'm not.
23:45 < tcr> Even though I find the idea of using LISP as an extension language (well it's more than that, actually) quite cool
23:45 < rxr> IMHO LISP is not a useful language for text processing and parsing ...
23:46 < daja77> lol
23:48 < tcr> Anyway, Xrefactor is almost exactly what I desire
23:49 < tcr> It's a pity that I can't become a friend to Escape Meta Alt Control Shift
23:51 < rxr> hm - keybindings are the tiniest problem I have with XEmacs - in fact they are quite ok the way I have them now (except reply to sender in Mew ...))
23:53 < tcr> What a fuck, Xrefactory's core isn't free software. Blubb, should that mean I'm gonna write that by my own?
23:56 < tcr> We're living in a bad world
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