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--- Log opened Thu Oct 23 00:00:18 2003 00:01 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026133.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:01 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026133.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has left #rocklinux ("ZZ") 00:08 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 00:19 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD95028B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("$default_quit_message") 00:27 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uivendk.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:30 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M352P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:36 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M505P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:37 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: cytrinox` 01:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox` 02:57 -!- dev0 [tobias@pD9E58D7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Connection timed out) 04:49 < rolla> re 04:58 < rolla> ls 05:04 < Mike1> bash: ls: command not found 05:05 < Mike1> :) 06:04 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.132.82.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:20 < cchamilt> Hey Mike1 06:21 < cchamilt> tripwire is not compiling correctly - it never finishes creating keys. So you can skip testing it :( . 06:22 < Mike1> cchamilt: grrr ok 06:22 < Mike1> ni hao ma cchamilt? 06:23 < cchamilt> sysklogd-sql is now working, but I will sync it with my server when ready (I want to use it there). Need to make a 'choose your system logger' type thing like for it. Might need to change its file names too incase you want both sysklogd and it. 06:23 < cchamilt> No, I don't know that language. 06:24 < cchamilt> Not sure why you would want sysklogd and sysklogd-sql since they are the same thing except a sql patch applied. 06:24 < Mike1> i said how are you ? 06:25 < Mike1> that was mandarin 06:25 < Mike1> ok momemt phone 06:25 < cchamilt> I thought so, but only because it was a short sentence. Yes, I figured it was mandarin. Not that I could tell it from anything. 06:26 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.14.236.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:38 < cchamilt> Most people around here dont speak mandarin natively here, just various other chinese languages. They teach mandarin and most can understand/talk in it. 06:39 < Mike1> haha 06:39 < Mike1> so please keep updating me on the pkgs stuff please 06:58 < SMP> am I the only one for whom everything of 0-gcc3 just disappears after the build? ;-O 06:58 -!- scoopex [~marc@td90919af.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:05 < cchamilt> Dont know, what do you mean smp? 07:07 < SMP> well, gcc3 stage 0 installs two dozen or so symlinks unter root/, pointing into tools.cross/ 07:07 < SMP> flist stuff finds 29 files for the package 07:07 < SMP> then *poof* they're gone 07:08 < cchamilt> I havent noticed it. 07:08 < SMP> when did you do the last 0-gcc3 build? 07:09 < cchamilt> Hmm, let me look at the build. It finished a few days ago. 07:09 < SMP> then it's ok for you. it wouldn't continue if the gcc stuff vanished from root/ ;) 07:09 < cchamilt> ls tools.cross/crosscc/ 07:10 < cchamilt> . i386-pc-linux-gnu-kcc 07:10 < cchamilt> .. i386-pc-linux-gnu-kcc-3 07:10 < cchamilt> i386-pc-linux-gnu-addr2line i386-pc-linux-gnu-ld 07:10 < cchamilt> i386-pc-linux-gnu-ar i386-pc-linux-gnu-nm 07:10 < cchamilt> Maybe your build is trying to do something screwy, maybe try and do a new config? 07:11 < cchamilt> My build was last week's one before rxr woke up. 07:12 < cchamilt> Oh and a general caution to all people upgrading glibc and gcc: 07:12 < cchamilt> gcc2 and glibc2.2 is OK. gcc3 and glibc2.3 is OK. NO OTHER COMBINATION WORKS! 07:13 < cchamilt> gcc3 tends to trigger thread conflicts where there shouldn't be in glibc2.2, and we know glibc2.3 requires gcc3. 07:13 < SMP> what kind of 'upgrading' do you mean here? 07:14 < cchamilt> gcc3 and a glib2.2 system causes a thread initiation problem in apache - if apache is linked to openldap. 07:15 < cchamilt> apache and openldap linked to glibc2.3 do not have the problem, and from what I can see it IS a glibc2.2 problem. 07:15 < cchamilt> Both with glibc2.2 built with 2.95 and 3. 07:16 < cchamilt> So gcc3 is breaking assumptions of glibc2.2 someway in this wierd situation. 07:19 < cchamilt> I also ran into thread problems if the glibc2.3 and gcc3 upgrade was not done for every library. Though, that isn't too surprising. 07:20 < cchamilt> It just makes me wonder how the heck a binary distro with legacy packages (ones not rebuilt with the current chain) can even pretend to be safe. 07:23 < SMP> I suppose no distro would do that 07:24 < cchamilt> heh, no. Assuming redhat stopped. 07:24 < cchamilt> How does debian do rebuilds? 07:25 -!- scoopex [~marc@td90919af.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 07:25 < cchamilt> I thought they did builds over old 'golden' versions. 07:26 < cchamilt> I think mandrake is doing rebuilds, not sure about suse. 07:26 < SMP> AFAIK package maintainer just upload their binary package and then swear an oath that it was built on a well defined system 07:27 < cchamilt> Hmm, debian guy I talked to said there were donated specific systems that were where things were built. 07:29 < cchamilt> That is why they use fakeroot too. 07:29 < cchamilt> I haven't used redhat really since 7 something, but I know there were old crufty packages in there. 07:36 < cchamilt> going for food brb. 07:51 < SMP> interesting - 0-gcc3 works with a default cfg 07:53 < cchamilt> back, probably broke your other config. I did that once doing cross build experiment. 08:30 * rajiv is away: gone 08:30 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M304P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:47 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M352P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:16 < netrunner> good morning. 09:41 < rxr> re 09:41 < cannibal> moin *yaaawn* 09:50 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:52 < netrunner> anybody can tell me how I can background a ssh from bash while keeping its pid? 09:53 < netrunner> SSHPID=`ssh blablabla &` hangs same as SSHPID=$( ssh blabla &) or SSHPID=`ssh -f blablabla` 09:58 < blindcoder> $! 09:58 < blindcoder> ssh -f blabla 09:58 < blindcoder> echo $! 09:59 < netrunner> huch, was ist denn $! ? 09:59 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# yes >/dev/null 2>&1 & 09:59 < blindcoder> [1] 7907 09:59 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# echo $! 09:59 < blindcoder> 7907 09:59 < blindcoder> ! Expands to the process ID of the most recently executed back- 09:59 < blindcoder> ground (asynchronous) command. 09:59 < blindcoder> from `man bash` :) 10:00 < netrunner> blindcoder: *knuddel* 10:00 < blindcoder> *freu* :) 10:03 < cannibal> *lol* 10:04 < cannibal> hi blindy, netrunner 10:05 < Mike1> hello all. 10:05 < Mike1> hej [anders]_! 10:05 < cannibal> hi Mike1 ! :) 10:05 < Mike1> hello cannibal :) 10:06 < cannibal> how are you? 10:08 < Mike1> sick :( and you ? 10:08 < blindcoder> hi cannibal 10:08 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 10:08 < cannibal> oh, get on well soon. i'm too tired to get information about how i am 10:08 < netrunner> argl. I cannot use -f because then $1 is empty. if I use & to background ssh, my script continues to build the next tunnel through the first, but the first is not even up :( 10:09 < Mike1> thanks cannibal even though i guess it will take 1 or 2 weeks to recover .. i really feel terrible 10:09 < Mike1> hello blindcoder 10:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: sleep 10 ? 10:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: you are bizarre. 10:09 < blindcoder> while [ ! nc localhost:port ] ; sleep 1 ; done 10:09 < cannibal> Mike1: O_o what do you have? 10:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: dhat would do. :) 10:10 < blindcoder> hm... nc might stall waiting for input... 10:13 < netrunner> unary operator expected? 10:13 < netrunner> argl, desktop does not include netcat :( 10:17 < blindcoder> try telnet 10:17 < netrunner> yes, I do. but I alwazs get [: Trying: unary operator expected 10:17 < netrunner> (when i put the command in backticks) 10:18 < netrunner> without them it wants a binary operator. 10:19 < Mike1> cannibal: lets just say that colds kick my ass 10:20 < cannibal> Mike1: ok... 10:20 < Mike1> cannibal: if i am lucky i will die 10:20 < cannibal> Mike1: *kick* .oO(that's my turn) 10:21 < Mike1> no me first 10:21 < blindcoder> netrunner: I rarely do somethirg like this, maybe my syntax is b0rken 10:21 < cannibal> Mike1: no! 10:22 < Mike1> sorry.. have no control on that.. 10:22 -!- dyinginyourarms [tobias@pD9EE3C06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:23 -!- dyinginyourarms is now known as dev0 10:23 < cannibal> hi dev0 10:23 < cannibal> Mike1: *grmpf* 10:24 < blindcoder> https://www.hackles.org/strips/cartoon343.png 10:24 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA 10:26 < cannibal> *lol* 10:34 < netrunner> hm ... while [[ 0 < $( echo "quit" | telnet localhost:port ) ]] works partially 10:36 < netrunner> ah ... s/0 < /!/ 10:36 < netrunner> and an additional sleep 3 behind and it works. 10:36 -!- dev0 [tobias@pD9EE3C06.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux () 10:37 < netrunner> cya later 10:37 < blindcoder> baba 11:07 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit ("leaving") 11:30 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F807.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:30 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p5080181A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 11:30 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:36 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 11:49 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:49 < cannibal> wb hannes 11:50 < hannes> rehi 11:51 < blindcoder> hi hannes 11:51 < hannes> hi blindy 11:52 < blindcoder> hmm... the LVP website looks okay now, I think... 11:52 < rxr> re 11:53 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:53 < Mike1> hi rxr 11:55 < rxr> hi Mike1 11:57 * rxr away again ... 12:33 < netrunner> *rofl* https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,270719,00.html 12:54 * netrunner is bored 12:54 < blindcoder> Das Bundesjustizministerium ist der Auffassung, dass die Frage nur durch ein Gericht zu klären sei. Das Programm "Windows" kenne man zu wenig. 12:54 < blindcoder> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA 13:01 < blindcoder> So, someone just has to invent a copy-protection that's stupid enough and makes an OS illegal? 13:01 < blindcoder> hmm... 13:01 < netrunner> AAAAAHHHHHH https://www.sm6rpz.se/a4.html 13:02 * netrunner jumps in a circle 13:02 < blindcoder> What about printing "This CD is not playable in PCs" and sue the OS-Companies for playing it nonetheless? 13:08 < netrunner> blindcoder: you should write: playing this cd costs 1k$ per use 13:10 < blindcoder> nah, that'd be considered "unreasonable" by a court. "This CD copy-protected by this imprinting. It prevents it from being played in a PC without circumventing the Protection." (Circumventing would be: Taking the CD out of the case so that the printing doesn't work anymore) 13:10 < blindcoder> I bet there'd be a judge stupid enough to believe it 13:11 < netrunner> sell empty cds that say this cd is not playable. 13:11 * netrunner thinks about trying that on ebay. 13:11 < blindcoder> hmm... you might get into copyright-problems here either. 13:11 < blindcoder> Some artist has the copyright on silence. 13:11 < blindcoder> and he enforces it. 13:12 < netrunner> just switch a bit now and then :) 13:12 < blindcoder> well... that would do... 13:13 -!- starlord [~starlord@arkanae.org] has joined #rocklinux 13:14 -!- starlord_ [~starlord@arkanae.org] has joined #rocklinux 13:14 -!- starlord_ [~starlord@arkanae.org] has quit (Client Quit) 13:15 * netrunner goes home now. 13:15 < netrunner> want to try if I finally after 5 years managed to choose a4 as default for printing. 13:15 < blindcoder> hehe 13:15 < blindcoder> good luck 13:16 < Mike1> *grin* 13:17 < netrunner> Mike1: *kick* 13:17 * netrunner submits a patch for gs to default to a4 :) 13:28 < Mike1> netrunner: what did i do to you ? 13:35 < daja77> hi Mike1 13:36 < Mike1> hi Daniel 13:36 < cannibal> someone knows, if esden is alive? 13:36 < cannibal> hi daja77 13:36 < daja77> hi cannibal 13:36 < blindcoder> esden is dead 13:36 < daja77> hm? 13:36 < cannibal> hmmm... seams so... 13:36 < blindcoder> well, might as well be 13:37 < blindcoder> counting how much time he's got at his hand for people considering him a friend 13:37 < cannibal> hoeh? 13:37 < blindcoder> nai, zero, nada, niente 13:38 < daja77> he is writing diploma, right? 13:38 < cannibal> hmmm... he told me some time ago, that he will have to learn till in 2 weeks (don't know when those 2 days will end... guess this or next week) might this is a reason? 13:38 < blindcoder> they ended last friday 13:39 < cannibal> hrm 13:40 < daja77> think he said sth about diploma stuff 13:40 < daja77> everybody who is writing diploma is unreacheable for some time ;-) 13:41 < blindcoder> well esden has been unreachable for some time already 13:41 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD95028B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:41 < daja77> a friend of mine has been unreachable for almost one year due stuff like that 14:07 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-223.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:10 < blindcoder> sucks 14:21 < daja77> hm? 14:21 < blindcoder> having to forget everyone around just for some lousy piece of paper 14:22 < daja77> well it might be lousy in the end, but creating it is hard work ;-) 14:23 < cannibal> .oO(how to convert OM-XML-file to html,rtf,pdf?) 14:23 < daja77> OM-XML? 14:24 < cannibal> openmedia-specific-XML-file 14:24 < daja77> dunno, guess there $program for that 14:24 < cannibal> hmmm. :-( 14:24 < daja77> or you write your own parser :p 14:25 < cannibal> oh thx...now i feel burning. *puke* 14:25 < daja77> burning? 14:25 < cannibal> burning like in hell 14:25 < cannibal> because of writing parser in c# and so... 14:26 < daja77> hehe, maybe there are ready libs for that 14:27 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:27 < cannibal> hmm. maybe... problem: how to find it because the .ARG-crap is not really well documented... 14:27 < daja77> you expect me to know that? 14:27 < cannibal> sure :p 14:28 < daja77> ask mnemoc_ :)) 14:28 < blindcoder> I'm starting to like Battle Programmer Shirase :D 14:28 < daja77> who? 14:28 < cannibal> *har* mnemoc_ ! come to me! i need you! ;p 14:28 < cannibal> shirase? 14:29 < blindcoder> Battle Programmer Shirase :D 14:29 < daja77> sth like Battle Angel Alita 14:29 < blindcoder> It's an anime about a cracker. He has just beaten a "supercomputer" using a mobile phone and its 9600 baud connection :D 14:29 < daja77> rofl 14:29 < cannibal> ah so... *lol* *verpeilt* 14:30 < netrunner> esden was reportedly seen at the uni today. 14:30 < blindcoder> huhuhuhuhu 14:30 < cannibal> so he's alive... hmmmm 14:30 < netrunner> not by me ... he didn't visit the lectures I thought to have in common with him. 14:30 < blindcoder> so it seems like he's alive after all 14:31 < daja77> as i said to you :p 14:31 < blindcoder> well, skipping class is obligatory for a student... 14:31 < cannibal> netrunner: when you see him next time, please give him a big kick from my... 14:31 < cytrinox`-> moin 14:31 < daja77> blindcoder: ack, hehe 14:31 < cannibal> hi cytrinox`- 14:33 < blindcoder> oh, I forgot to mention 14:33 < blindcoder> he was hired by a company to do so. 14:33 < blindcoder> His pay was a 4-channel SCSI-Controller which isn't manufactured anymore. 14:33 < netrunner> f****** AAAH! :(( 14:34 < Mike1> blindy I'm looking to print some cool geek posters for my office, got some urls for me? 14:34 < blindcoder> netrunner: let me guess: it doesn't work 14:34 < netrunner> now with the default set to a4 the pstoraster segfaults when calling gs 14:34 < blindcoder> Mike1: hrm... you might want to ask Wim from openbsd... or clifford... I never printed any posters myself 14:34 < daja77> are you trying to tell us that cups sucks 14:35 < netrunner> daja77: no. cups is l337. but the epsgs they supply sucks too much 14:35 < Mike1> blindy ok. 14:35 < daja77> netrunner: i tend to hate both 14:36 < netrunner> daja77: so you use the original gs? 14:37 < netrunner> daja77: have a package for that? 14:37 < rolla> re 14:37 < daja77> nope cups works now for my printer 14:38 < daja77> but maybe you get the latest version and recompile it 14:38 < daja77> hi rolla 14:45 < cannibal> hi rolla 14:59 * netrunner rebuilds espgps 15:01 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-082-109.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:06 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit ("leaving") 15:07 < rolla> grrr 15:07 < rolla> so many stupied people in the world :( 15:08 < blindcoder> that's a fact 15:08 < rolla> yeah but why do I seem to have to deal with all of them 15:09 < blindcoder> I can guarantee you, you don't have to deal with them _all_ 15:10 < blindcoder> you'd die if you had to 15:10 < rolla> it seems like it 15:15 < daja77> poor rolla 15:18 < rolla> \ 15:19 < netrunner> hm ... rebuild helped .... doesn't segfault ... printer starts receiving data 15:19 < netrunner> ... starts movin ... 15:20 < netrunner> prints a completely black page :( 15:21 < rolla> suck 15:24 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-064-162.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:26 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:26 < blindcoder> hannes: will you be at bitz today? 15:31 < daja77> erh sucks 15:33 < hannes> blindcoder: no 15:33 < blindcoder> hannes: ok 15:33 * hannes is learning for his math test tomorrow 15:34 < hannes> i should ;) 15:37 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit ("leaving") 15:40 -!- starlord [~starlord@arkanae.org] has quit ("leaving") 16:25 -!- starlord [~starlord@fj51.netikka.fi] has joined #rocklinux 16:30 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M365P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:44 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M304P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:53 < netrunner> wonderful. the new ghostscript prints only black pages. 16:54 < cannibal> kewl. goth-pages *g* 16:56 * cannibal chucks c#-code to netrunner 's head *vbeg* 16:57 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9502DCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:12 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD95028B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:25 < starlord> cannibal:you use mono for c#? 17:26 < cannibal> starlord: i'm forced to use windows && visual studio.net 17:27 < starlord> cannibal:have you used/tested mono lately? i'm wondering how stable that is and how much .net functionality is already implemented 17:28 < cannibal> starlord: i haven't 17:30 < cannibal> starlord: do you know if the "System.Windows.Forms" etc. are implemented, too? 17:31 < daja77> starlord: ask mnemoc_ about this :) 17:32 < rolla> daja77: 17:32 < starlord> cannibal:now all of it, if i remember correctly. there is gtk port? 17:32 < starlord> now all of it=not all of it :) 17:33 < daja77> rolla: 17:33 < cannibal> starlord: ah. k. thx 17:33 < daja77> gtk# afaik 17:33 < starlord> but you can use "normal" windows.forms but the app is "forced" to run through wine 17:34 < cannibal> ok. thx 17:35 < cannibal> and ado.net is already implemented? 17:35 < daja77> why not look at the mono project page? 17:35 < cannibal> too lazy 17:36 < starlord> cannibal:all most all of it,althought i have never tested it on under mono 17:36 < cannibal> hehe. lucky man. 17:37 < cannibal> waeh! this tea's taste is awful! 17:43 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 17:44 < armijn> 'lo 17:44 < armijn> just passing by to say "hi" 17:44 < cannibal> hi armijn ! 17:44 < armijn> so... 17:44 < armijn> "hi" 17:45 < cannibal> armijn: how are you? 17:46 < armijn> tired. 17:46 < cannibal> .oO(oh boy, i know this feeling soooooo well) 17:46 < daja77> hey armijn 17:47 < armijn> hiya 17:48 < armijn> had to get up way too early this morning, had to give a talk at 11am 17:48 < armijn> and got home late yesterday 17:48 * daja77 feels the same way :) 17:49 < cannibal> *g* 17:49 < armijn> heh, but you didn't see Motorhead, I did >-) 17:49 < daja77> hehehe, gig junkie :) 17:50 < cannibal> full ack. 17:50 < armijn> definitely. 17:50 < daja77> nice to see you here again ;-) 17:51 < armijn> as I said, just stopping by. 17:51 < armijn> will leave again soon 17:51 < daja77> well stop by whenever you please 17:51 < armijn> yeh 17:51 < daja77> :) 17:52 < cannibal> and a bit more often, please 17:52 < daja77> hehe owl always demanding :p 17:53 < cannibal> sure ;p 17:53 < armijn> pff 17:53 < cannibal> hihi, poor old dutch boy ;p 17:53 < daja77> armijn: don't worry she is like that :) 17:53 < armijn> I'm not old. 17:53 * daja77 is older 17:54 < cannibal> *g* daja77 = grand-grandpa, armijn = grandpa.. :p 17:54 < armijn> yeh, go bug daja77] 17:55 < daja77> and owl is little kid 17:55 < cannibal> sure. *hypf* 17:55 * daja77 getting some sweeties for little owl :p 17:56 < cannibal> kewl. my box of bonbons was already getting more and more empty. i need no one ;))) thx daja77 *bow* 17:56 < armijn> it makes you fat. 17:56 < cannibal> armijn: nah. not really. 17:56 < daja77> makes her fat O_o 17:56 * daja77 runs 17:56 < cannibal> daja77: *kick* 17:57 < cannibal> and: i guess i'm doing enough sport to reduce my weight (and i don't mean the daily run to the tram) 17:58 < armijn> heh 17:58 < cannibal> armijn: ? 17:59 * daja77 likes to see owl running 17:59 < armijn> daja77: it arouses you? 18:00 < daja77> not it amuses me i guess 18:00 < daja77> <- fun seeker 18:00 < armijn> well, weird humour then... 18:00 < nookie_> Heya armijn :) 18:00 < cannibal> daja77: running? nah... horse-riding ;p 18:01 * armijn gives cannibal a carrot 18:01 < daja77> you call that sport, letting a horse carrying your weight 18:01 * daja77 prepares to get killed 18:01 < cannibal> daja77: muhahaha. i'm riding "dressur" - and believe me, it really is sport 18:02 < daja77> oh really, ok in that case 18:02 < daja77> and do the horses obey you 18:02 < cannibal> armijn: just piped carrot with lemon please 18:03 < daja77> armijn: you should feed her with sugar 18:03 < cannibal> yes, mostly... i'm still on a too low level (e-dressur), but i'm getting better and better, especially since i have private-lessons once a week and i'm having a second lession on almost every wednesday. 18:03 < cannibal> daja77: aeh? 18:03 < daja77> they are doin what you want from them? 18:04 * cannibal jumps to the next WC now and after that to the train 18:04 < cannibal> daja77: yes. 18:04 < armijn> e-dressur 18:04 < armijn> as in you control it with a joystick? 18:04 < daja77> hehehe 18:04 < daja77> if it is a male horse ... 18:04 < cannibal> i still have problems with "schenkel-weichen" etc. but i can ride in every tempo all "bahnfiguren" 18:04 < armijn> oi! 18:04 < cannibal> *lol* men 18:05 < armijn> I meant a real joystick... 18:05 < armijn> you know, hook the horse up to USB or so 18:05 < daja77> are there other O_o 18:05 < armijn> or maybe it's a virtual horse 18:05 < cannibal> nah... 18:05 < cannibal> but now... off 18:05 < cannibal> bye 18:06 < daja77> cu cannibal 18:08 < armijn> well, am off 18:08 < armijn> cu 18:08 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 18:08 < daja77> cu armijn 18:11 < starlord> hmm,anyone know how can i import verisign certificate to tomcat? 18:16 -!- cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 18:39 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 18:47 * rajiv is back (gone 10:17:46) 18:50 -!- starlord [~starlord@fj51.netikka.fi] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:30 < rolla> re 19:30 < mnemoc_> re2 19:32 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091923.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:34 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 19:51 < nookie_> https://www.ircm.de/pics/fun/biber.jpg 19:54 < rolla> why is this funny? https://www.ircm.de/pics/fun/31337-munich-police.jpg 20:12 -!- k3t_ is now known as trekkie3k 20:14 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiveqhh.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:17 < daja77> l33t plate i guess 20:23 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091923.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:42 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 21:54 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p508028BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:03 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802680.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:07 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAA40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:09 < tcr> moin all 22:10 < rxr> re 22:10 < daja77> wb rxr 22:12 < rxr> hi daja77 22:12 * tcr builds together a new luminaire from Ikea 22:12 < tcr> is building, actually 22:20 < cannibal> remoin 22:34 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M365P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 22:34 < daja77> rxr: I played around with new rtai branch to decide if i upgrade now, or wait, haven't decided yet :) 22:36 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M365P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:49 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:49 < jsaw> re 22:49 < jsaw> hi all 22:50 < rxr> hi jsaw 22:50 < daja77> hi jsaw 22:50 < daja77> this is nice rtai can now emulate apis from other rt os like vxworks 22:50 < jsaw> rxr: daja77 told me yesterday or the day before you wanted to ask me sth.? 22:51 < rxr> hm - yes 22:52 < rxr> I mainly miss the *xml.conf s.th. file needed by at least one (?) gnome24 package 22:52 < rxr> and the postsysfile s.th. needs to be discussed / sorted out 22:52 < jsaw> oh, libglade, i forgot to comment it out. 22:52 < rxr> aside from this gnome24 compiled quite good on susan's computer ... 22:53 < daja77> hehe you are abusing girl's computers too? 22:53 < jsaw> 3 packages will fail, dia, rythmbox and seahorse IIRC 22:53 < cannibal> https://www.winsoft.de/fo_beitrag.html?nr=184&id=8248&li=50 < *g* 22:53 < blindcoder> seahorse needs older gpgme, doesn't it? 22:53 < jsaw> yep 22:53 < rxr> daja77: nope - she likes gnome - this was not abusing ... 22:54 < daja77> hehe 22:54 * netrunne1 just learned what initrd's are usually for 22:54 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 22:54 < blindcoder> I have it packaged and working (compiling AND working) here... just installed older gpgme to /opt/gpgme_${ver} 22:54 < blindcoder> I still don't get where the initrd is stored... 22:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: to /boot/ ? 22:55 < blindcoder> and /boot is... where? 22:55 < blindcoder> /de/scsi/somewhere/in/here/ 22:56 < jsaw> either on your rootfs or whatever you mounted to /boot/ 22:56 < tcr> blindcoder: `mount' will tell ya 22:57 < blindcoder> sure, but that won't solve the problem of having a scsi disk and the driver only as a module... or did I misread rene's mail? 22:57 < tcr> Sorry, don't what you're talking about. Just gave an answer to your implicit question :) 22:58 < tcr> +know 22:58 < blindcoder> on the mailinglist someone said his kernel wasn't able to boot because it couldn't mount the rootfs 22:58 < tcr> Ah, you're referencing to rxr's last eMail? 22:58 < tcr> Let me read it first 22:58 < blindcoder> okay 22:59 < tcr> Read 23:00 < jsaw> blindcoder: are you asking where initrd is stored or how it is loaded? 23:00 < blindcoder> jsaw: hrm... loaded... I think 23:00 < netrunner> blindcoder: the initrd is loaded via the bootloader 23:01 < tcr> blindcoder: You can explicitely load modules from an initrd, in a very early state of the kernel, so that you for instance can load a module for the root filesystem 23:01 < netrunner> he loads kernel and initrd. this is what the initrd option in their configs is for 23:01 < blindcoder> so the bootloader knows how to acces "any" hard disk? 23:01 < jsaw> it should :) 23:01 < netrunner> blindcoder: he sees what the bios tells him. 23:02 < tcr> blindcoder: Eh, of course. How else should it find your kernel image? :) 23:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: if you have like a SAN that does not work until initialized by some drivers you have a hard time 23:02 < blindcoder> hmm... I see... 23:03 * netrunner -> bed 23:03 < blindcoder> sorry, I'm not too familiar with the detais of the boot process >_< 23:03 < tcr> gn8 netrunner 23:03 < blindcoder> oyasumi 23:03 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiveqhh.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit ("They have gun control in China.") 23:03 < jsaw> cu netrunner 23:05 < tcr> blindcoder: me not really, too :) Just use your good sense (wtf is a good english expression for Ger. Verstand?) 23:06 < tcr> OTH it's already quite late... 23:06 < blindcoder> common sense 23:06 < blindcoder> commomn sense == Gesunder Menschenverstand 23:07 < blindcoder> well, I've been told today that mine is lost, so I guess I'm excused :P 23:08 < tcr> Wouldn't translate common sense with Gesunder Menschenverstand 23:08 < blindcoder> but it is so 23:08 < blindcoder> https://dict.leo.org/?search=common+sense 23:11 < tcr> Well, yeah.. but it's gesunder Menschenverstand in a more specific regard 23:11 < blindcoder> logic? 23:11 < blindcoder> instead of common sense? 23:12 < tcr> No I mean "gesunder Menschenverstand" as in "common sense" is more "Verstand" as in Kant's Kategorischen Imperativ 23:12 < daja77> .oO 23:12 < tcr> :) Ok, I'll shut up (looking at the watch again) 23:12 < blindcoder> Kant's... what? Now I'm totally lost 23:13 < daja77> philosphy blindy 23:13 * blindcoder runs away screaming 23:13 * blindcoder curls up in a dark corner 23:13 < daja77> hehe 23:13 < SMP> does gnome24 share any sources with gnome2? 23:14 < blindcoder> good night, everyone! 23:14 < daja77> n8 blindcoder 23:15 < rxr> SMP: theoretically some - but as far as I have seen all packages got at least a version bump ... 23:15 < tcr> Fundamentally: "Handle nur nach derjenigen Maxime, durch die du zugleich wollen kannst, dass sie ein allgemeines Gesetz werde." 23:15 < tcr> blindcoder: _Kinda_ related to Jesus' Hauptregel "[...] Liebe deinen Nächsten wie dich selbst." 23:16 < tcr> But put in a wider context 23:17 < blindcoder> I guess now would be a bad time to state that I don't like that guy in the mirror... 23:17 < blindcoder> but, oh well, the bed is calling.... 23:17 < blindcoder> night 23:18 < tcr> gn8 23:18 < SMP> 9-libncurses still breaks the build badly 23:19 < tcr> SMP: jimmy's recent patch included? 23:19 < SMP> not if it's not in trunk 23:20 < tcr> afaik, rene hasn't applied it. Afaik he hasn't stated any opinion on that yet. 23:21 < rxr> tcr: yes - I was too busy recently ... 23:21 < tcr> No blame intended :) 23:22 < rxr> I have not read blame - I just wanted to mention it ;-) 23:22 < tcr> SMP: <oprwy1e9t0rq6bbr@localhost> 23:23 < tcr> Apply that patch and do again Build-Target with [x] Retry broken packages 23:24 < rxr> jsaw: I have many .cc files that cause display/indenting errors in XEmacs - sometimes tiny sometimes rather hefty - up to 2 seconds delay after each key-press ... 23:24 < rxr> :-( 23:24 < rxr> I'm allready thinking about yet another editor 23:25 * daja77 now into c++ coding too 23:25 < daja77> at beginner's level of course ;-) 23:26 < tcr> rxr: Better yet would be to contact the xmacs crew. I know from sTurnbull that feedback is generally lacking and thus very welcome 23:26 < rxr> really? The indenting code looks like extreme crap 23:27 < rxr> it even contains comments that is should not be changed because the authros do not know anymore why it worked 23:27 < daja77> O_o 23:27 < tcr> Heh 23:27 < daja77> legacy crap ... 23:28 < rxr> also really parsing instead of soem pseudo regex or so would be nice - as well as more sophisticated completation and so on ... 23:28 < rxr> like kontext sensitive navigation ... 23:28 < rxr> context even ... ;-) 23:29 < daja77> kontext as in kde :)) 23:29 < rxr> konext asn in de_DE ... 23:29 < daja77> i know but kde ppl do this too to english words with c ;-) 23:30 < rxr> yeah - I know 23:30 < rxr> cde -> kde ;-) 23:30 < tcr> rxr: I bet if it exists at all, it's likely that something is there for emacsen 23:32 < tcr> After all, I have a script for sophisticated code completion (for C) for Vim on my todo list. Though that will require me to learn the vim-script language first, that's the major showstopper atm 23:32 < jsaw> rxr: well... 23:33 < daja77> tcr: hehe indeed 23:35 < jsaw> rxr: did you ever work with anjuta? 23:35 < rxr> I tried times ago ... 23:35 < rxr> I tried kate recently - but ... 23:36 < daja77> kate, you liked it?! 23:36 < tcr> jsaw: I looked at it (looking the website and documentation etc), decided to stick to vim because anjuta is just for c/c++ and java 23:36 < daja77> vim the ide for every language ;-) 23:37 < tcr> daja77: You consider the vim-script language as a bit too perlish, as in awkward and unreadable, too? 23:37 < daja77> it even can be used for sql 23:37 < rxr> daja77: some parts - but it is far too limitted ... 23:37 < daja77> tcr: i forgot about it ^^ 23:37 < tcr> daja77: why the "hehe indeed" then? 23:38 < daja77> well i had a short glance at it and decided against writing patterns with it 23:38 < daja77> had no time then 23:38 < tcr> daja77: Well, vim is just an editor (and it should stay being one!).. but it's easily possible to build IDE on top of it, for example with a well scriptable window manager. 23:40 < daja77> i am quite happy with an editor 23:41 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 23:41 < daja77> you could plug in vim into visual c++ 23:41 * daja77 ducks 23:42 < tcr> rxr: If I was an emacsen user, I'd prolly try out https://www.xref-tech.com/xrefactory/ 23:44 < tcr> Unfortunately, I'm not. 23:45 < tcr> Even though I find the idea of using LISP as an extension language (well it's more than that, actually) quite cool 23:45 < rxr> IMHO LISP is not a useful language for text processing and parsing ... 23:46 < daja77> lol 23:48 < tcr> Anyway, Xrefactor is almost exactly what I desire 23:49 < tcr> It's a pity that I can't become a friend to Escape Meta Alt Control Shift 23:51 < rxr> hm - keybindings are the tiniest problem I have with XEmacs - in fact they are quite ok the way I have them now (except reply to sender in Mew ...)) 23:53 < tcr> What a fuck, Xrefactory's core isn't free software. Blubb, should that mean I'm gonna write that by my own? 23:56 < tcr> We're living in a bad world --- Log closed Fri Oct 24 00:00:36 2003